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L1[00:01:51] <Neal> "xor edi,edi"
XORing the same register doesn't seem like the most efficient use
of time, Visual Studio... *chin scratch*
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L6[00:10:14] <kuzetsa> Neal: I think it's a
cheap way to put a zero into a register
L8[00:10:58] <kuzetsa> ["TL;DR summary:
xor same, same is the best choice for all CPUs. No other method has
any advantage over it, and it has at least some advantage over any
other method. It's officially recommended by Intel and
AMD"]
L9[00:11:09] <kuzetsa> ^ confirmed
L10[00:12:25] <Neal> looks like I need to
pick up a book on asm optimization
L11[00:13:15] <kuzetsa> alternatively, have
a peek at how compilers turn intermediate representations of a
program into compiled code
L12[00:13:43] <kuzetsa> like - it gets
compiled to an IL before being turned into the specific
instructions
L13[00:13:59] <kuzetsa> that last step is a
lot of dark magic
L14[00:15:10] <Neal> il = intermediate
language?
L15[00:15:13] <kuzetsa> aye
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L17[00:15:50] <kuzetsa> like java bytecode
or .NET / mono assemblies, I think
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L20[00:17:29] <kuzetsa> either way is fine
- compilers are full of dark magic, but various script engines like
V8 (node.js and chrome) are doing low level optimizations too
L22[00:21:11] <kuzetsa> before that,
there's yet another representation (the first abstraction in V8
before it turns into lithium is called hydrogen, apparently)
L23[00:21:39] <kuzetsa> too much dark magic
- my brain just noped out of this topic. sorry for biting off more
than I wanted to chew or comment on :(
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L26[00:25:53] <Pakaran> Came so close to
Mun orbit without nodes.
L27[00:26:09] <Althego> you can go there,
land and come back without nodes
L30[00:26:31] <Althego> that is way too
far
L31[00:26:51] <Althego> the usualé way to
do it is to start injection burn when the mun rises on the
horizson
L32[00:27:07] <Althego> then you will be at
your apoapsis when the mun is there too
L33[00:27:31] <Pakaran> Since it's at
double the period?
L34[00:27:47] <Althego> double of
what
L35[00:27:54] <Pakaran> of the transfer
orbit
L36[00:28:03] <Pakaran> i should know
that...
L37[00:28:05] <kuzetsa> Neal: good
luck
L38[00:28:14] <Althego> i dont know, never
looked at that
L39[00:28:31] <Pakaran> either way, though,
I was aiming for when the mun rises, but trying to guesstimate from
map view to also watch the orbit.
L40[00:28:39] <Pakaran> issue was more a
bad gravity turn
L41[00:28:56] <Neal> I think I have the
option to take an asm class next semester
L42[00:29:14] <Pakaran> (more an over
cautious one, but generally FAR doesn't seem kind to long 1.25m
designs)
L43[00:29:25] <Althego> yesterday was
tough. day 12 full in swing, all the mun and minmus missions
running in parallel, i still havent run out of the 10 minute nodes
coming up constantly as i finish the previous. they are so close i
cant even launch new ships
L44[00:29:37] <Pakaran> dang.
L45[00:30:04] <Althego> i even postponed
the current mun landing
L46[00:30:58] <Pakaran> I've been coming up
with all kinds of fun goals, but I'm just glad to have Jeb and Val
at their first star
L47[00:31:36] <Pakaran> I could sit in this
orbit until the Mun reaches it at the same time, but I don't think
I have enough spare delta-v to enter orbit and still make it
back.
L48[00:32:10] <Althego> if you have enough
for a flyby you have to do it the free return trajectory way
L49[00:32:20] <Althego> unfortunately for
that you need the maneuver nodes
L50[00:32:30] <Neal> kuzetsa, OR eax, eax
would probably set the register to 1 right?
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L52[00:33:00] <Neal> wait no
L53[00:33:07] <Neal> wrong
L54[00:34:08] <Pakaran> high space eva/crew
report collected
L55[00:34:45] <Pakaran> I am proud that
even in my FAR induced disassemblies, there's been nothing that
would have led to crew loss.
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L57[00:35:12] <Pakaran> Generally they were
supersonic, but a drogue and main chute on a mk1 pod is
plenty
L58[00:36:14] ***
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L59[00:36:35] <Pakaran> Ooh, and Mun was
nice and helped me get home.
L62[00:36:43] ***
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L63[00:37:13] <Pakaran> I think a bit
higher periapse would be safer.
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L65[00:37:41] <Althego> my usual goal is to
launch the first mun flyby mission on day 1
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L67[00:39:38] <Pakaran> ok, so how do I
raise my periapse when I'm already past apo?
L68[00:39:52] <Althego> radial burn
L69[00:39:56] <Althego> not as
efficient
L70[00:40:12] <Althego> or rather a
combination of radial and prograde
L71[00:42:54] <Pakaran> still have a fair
amount of fuel, got to a 36 km x 10.3 Mm "suborbital"
trajectory.
L72[00:43:19] <Althego> have
heatshield?
L73[00:43:28] <Pakaran> yes but no
ablator
L74[00:43:32] <Pakaran> it'll be
fine.
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L76[00:44:23] <Pakaran> I wasn't as worried
about heat, as coming in so steeply that I didn't reach terminal
velocity in time to open the chutes.
L77[00:44:53] <Althego> for that i use the
small drogue chute
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L79[00:46:48] <Pakaran> yeah, I want to say
I've been using that around 10 km
L80[00:47:27] <Gasher[work]> Pakaran, if
you have maneuevre nodes open you can set up one and then play with
prograde and radial handles to get periapsis higher
L81[00:48:55] <Pakaran> Gasher[work],
that's on the list to get. This is, like, launch 5 total I
think.
L82[00:50:01] <Gasher[work]> ah ok
L83[00:50:03] <Pakaran> VAB parts limit
isn't bugging me as much
L84[00:50:25] <Pakaran> it's maneuver nodes
I miss from science games. Not money as such either.
L85[00:50:35] <Althego> 30 parts is a bit
tough for the first mun landing
L86[00:50:49] <Althego> but it is ok for a
flyby
L87[00:51:20] <Althego> especially with
beginner parts and the weight limit of the launchpad
L88[00:55:19] <Pakaran> launchpad is
upgraded
L89[00:55:46] <Althego> things are a bit
harder in the hard mode settigns
L90[00:55:53] <Pakaran> so I'm figuring to
next get some 2.5m parts (and, particularly, long fuel tanks)
L91[00:55:58] <Pakaran> because you earn
less money?
L92[00:56:00] <Althego> all the research an
the upgrades are expensive
L93[00:56:37] <Pakaran> I've definitely
done things specifically to get money, but it's more often that I
see a mission that looks fun to try.
L94[00:56:46] <Althego> but ultimately
because i am juggling a dozen missions in parallel, the income is
high
L95[00:57:25] <Althego> next big is 10
tourists mun landing. maybe i do 3 hitch hiker containers and add 2
of my own too
L96[00:57:54] <Althego> bob is way out at
minmus, pioneering the science
L97[00:58:18] <Althego> but since it took
him days to get there, i got 2 new instruments
L98[00:58:20] <Althego> no, 3
L99[00:58:30] <Althego> but only 1 is
missing
L100[00:58:50] <Althego> but for that i
still need millions for the science building upgrade
L103[01:01:22] <Pakaran> yep val will be
fine, even if she does lose the drogue shoot
L104[01:01:40] <Pakaran> chute*
L105[01:02:30] <Pakaran> just a matter of
waiting to see how much money we got for records...
L106[01:23:01] <Pakaran> Hmm, tourists to
Kerbin orbit. might be a nice test for the rescue craft...
L107[01:25:18] <Gasher[work]> beware that
long return craft can wobble and turn the wrong side to the
atmosphere
L108[01:26:56] <Pakaran> hmm thanks
L109[01:27:17] <Pakaran> at the moment
it'll be a pod with a probe core, then think about combining rides
etc... hmm...
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L111[01:34:03] <Pakaran> thinking I want
aviation. I'll get more science parts later.
L112[01:34:17] <Pakaran> hardly behind the
curve, and planes sound fun (science car?)
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L114[01:38:26] <Gasher[work]> Pakaran,
science flyer+car
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L118[01:38:50] <Pakaran> hmm.
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L120[01:39:23] <Pakaran> a flying science
car could get to the mountains west of KSC, too?
L121[01:40:10] <Gasher[work]> it can get
anywhere if the landing zone is flat enough
L122[01:40:32] <Gasher[work]> also beware
that takeoff velocity usually exceed the wheel max speed
L123[01:43:32] <Pakaran> thanks.
L124[01:43:52] <Gasher[work]> check those
etc
L125[01:44:26] <Gasher[work]> one way is
to make landing wheels longer when unfolded, take off on them, land
then retact them and drive on rover wheels
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L127[01:45:26] <Nezumi> Hello! Is any body
here? Need help with my spaceplane.
L128[01:45:40] <Gasher[work]> hi rat
:D
L129[01:47:01] <Gasher[work]> Nezumi
L130[01:48:07] <Nezumi> I'm gona find
somewhere to upload my design.
L132[01:50:16] <Nezumi> And I went with
stock ksp without F.A.R.
L133[01:51:39] <Nezumi> I'm using Kramax
autopilot, it's good until I reach to 1 mach.
L134[01:53:04] <Nezumi> The plane kept
nose up and down. I can recover this by disable autopilot and
active S.A.S.
L135[01:54:39] <Nezumi> Dose any one know
what I did wrong?
L136[01:56:17] <Nezumi> Gasher u still
there?
L137[01:56:24] <Gasher[work]> damn
L138[01:56:30] <Gasher[work]> sorry
gtg
L139[01:56:32] <NeverCast> Nezumi: Sounds
like your control surfaces are too agressive
L140[01:56:35] <NeverCast> at high
velocity
L142[01:56:55] <NeverCast> That and the
PID in Kramax is over compensating.
L143[01:57:34] <NeverCast> If you can do
several G manuvers with your control surfaces, have less of them,
or limit their deflection.
L144[01:59:02] <Nezumi> NeverCast: Indeed
I tried 11G turn and it works.
L145[01:59:39] <Nezumi> So it is way too
much than what I need.
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L172[05:55:07] <Fluburtur> so my dude
doesn't have a lathe but I can probably use my press drill and amke
a wooden former for my nozzles
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L177[06:18:24] <Fluburtur> but then I
guess rocket candy doesn't generate a super high presure
L178[06:19:11] <APlayer> AFAIK most rocket
candy boosters don't have special nozzles at all
L179[06:19:32] <APlayer> People just stuff
it into a pipe and leave some room at the end to act as a
"nozzle"
L182[06:20:25] <APlayer> Uh what
L183[06:20:30] <APlayer> A concrete
nozzle?
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L185[06:20:47] <Fluburtur> yeah because
those peoples don't care about weight apparently
L186[06:20:56] <Fluburtur> gonna make mine
with plaster I think
L187[06:21:04] <Fluburtur> at least the
test ones then I will see
L188[06:21:16] <APlayer> What about a
sheet of tin or so?
L189[06:21:27] <Fluburtur> harder to make
I guess
L190[06:21:34] <APlayer> But
concrete
L191[06:21:52] <APlayer> Sounds...
sub-optimal
L192[06:22:27] <Fluburtur> at least it's
somewhat strong
L193[06:25:07] <APlayer> I have doubts
regarding what will happen to a blob of concrete surrounded by,
presumably, plastic, heated to a few 100 deg C and violently
shaken
L194[06:25:48] <APlayer> I can totally see
it cracking or at least detaching
L195[06:26:33] <Fluburtur> we will
see
L196[06:28:09] <Fluburtur> my nitrate
should arrive within a week
L197[06:29:44] <Fluburtur> I still have
the activated charcoal pellets from one of my gas mask
filters
L198[06:29:55] <Fluburtur> I could
probably use that as an additive in the rockets
L199[06:34:09] <APlayer> What does a
(presumably) carbon additive do?
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L201[06:34:31] <Fluburtur> darker
smoke
L202[06:34:35] <Fluburtur> some extra fuel
too
L203[06:34:56] <APlayer> What's the point
of darker smoke?
L204[06:35:00] <Althego> nothing
L205[06:35:01] <Fluburtur> idk
L206[06:35:11] <Althego> normally you dont
want smoke
L207[06:35:11] <Fluburtur> making a rocket
more visible I ugess
L208[06:35:29] <Althego> but historically
black gunpowder had charcoal powder in it
L209[06:35:41] <Althego> probably burned
better
L210[06:39:27] <Fluburtur> well I could
probably make black powder
L211[06:39:33] <Fluburtur> but I don't
have sulfur
L212[06:57:03] <Fluburtur> I reduced the
control rate of the tail of my canadair to 20% and it's still too
much
L213[06:57:11] <Fluburtur> reduced it
mechanicaly too
L214[06:57:19] <Fluburtur> this boi will
need more nose weight
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L216[07:10:46] <APlayer> Fluburtur: I just
had a random idea... How suitable are old, half-dead phone
batteries for RC stuff?
L217[07:10:58] <Fluburtur> not at
all
L218[07:11:03] <Fluburtur> can't deliver
high amps
L219[07:11:10] <APlayer> Ah, makes
sense
L220[07:11:10] <Fluburtur> also they are
low voltage
L221[07:11:22] <Fluburtur> and have
integrated protection circuits and you don't want that
L222[07:11:26] <APlayer> I would take a
few of them for that purpose
L223[07:11:35] <APlayer> OK, makes sense
too
L224[07:12:19] <APlayer> (Because I have a
few Li-ions lying around, and they are pretty dense)
L225[07:12:49] <Fluburtur> you can kinda
use the 18650 cells from laptop batteries but those are often half
dead so I prefer getting new ones
L226[07:19:00] <darsie> I'm about to use
Li-ion block cells from a Mac notebook.
L227[07:19:32] <darsie> For an RC
airplane.
L228[07:19:47] <darsie> Original battery
was 7 Ni-MH cells.
L229[07:19:51] <Fluburtur> the problem is
that li-ion can't deliver that much amps
L230[07:20:06] <Fluburtur> I got some 5amp
ones for one of my planes
L231[07:20:53] <darsie> Not expecting
aerobatics performance. Just a trainer to begin with.
L232[07:23:33] <APlayer> The motors draw a
lot of amps on their own, without any aerobatics
L233[07:25:12] <darsie> I doubt that AA
NiMH can deliver more amps than big Li-ion cells.
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L240[07:56:24] <Arcan> :O moon
L241[07:58:50] <Fluburtur> man I wish the
weather was better
L242[07:58:59] <Fluburtur> I need to test
my telescope
L243[07:59:18] <taniwha> btw, that's just
a camera with a telephoto lens
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L245[07:59:29] <taniwha> (well, not just
/any/ camera or lens, but still...)
L246[07:59:33] <taniwha> tripod, too
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L259[08:58:54] <ve2dmn> darsie: no
L260[08:59:11] <ve2dmn> The asteroids will
have a 35 degree inclination, not your sentinel
L261[08:59:47] <darsie> ve2dmn: Yes, but
the reward is very high.
L262[08:59:58] <ve2dmn> darsie: yes
L263[09:00:26] <ve2dmn> Finding that
number of asteroids will probably take a few years of in-game
time
L264[09:00:29] <darsie> Just for sitting
there for a year or so.
L265[09:00:34] <ve2dmn> yes
L266[09:01:15] <ve2dmn> It's a lot
box
L267[09:01:16] <Iskierka> if you
fast-forward through and miss other opportunities for progression
that's on you for pushing the timewarp. Game is balanced for a
sensible rate of progression
L268[09:01:18] <ve2dmn> loot
L269[09:01:53] <ve2dmn> darsie: That
35degree is really rare
L270[09:02:40] <ve2dmn> You'll probably
build a full base on Laythe in the mean time
L271[09:02:52] <darsie> Iskierka: There's
not much progression in my game. I have all the tech, 90%
reputation, 50 MVF ...
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L273[09:04:42] <ve2dmn> darsie: clearly
you are not using LS :D
L274[09:04:47] <darsie> nope
L275[09:04:50] <darsie> stock
L276[09:05:33] <ve2dmn> Do you have any
already existing Sentinels?
L277[09:05:37] <darsie> I guess that means
life support.
L278[09:05:44] <darsie> ve2dmn: Yes, 3 or
so.
L279[09:06:03] <ve2dmn> I use USI-LS. It's
life support. Make the game MUCH harder
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L281[09:06:48] <darsie> I played
RSS/RO/RP0, but switched back to stock cause a friend plays
stock.
L282[09:07:52] <ve2dmn> I played around
with Asteroids a lot when I was making my own mod.
L284[09:08:28] <kmath> YouTube - Marble
Demagnetizer - it's Mechanical! / Marble Machine X #24
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L286[09:10:08] <darsie> I would have made
more asteroid missions, but bugs prevented that.
L287[09:10:29] <darsie> Asteroids
eating/exploding ships.
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L290[09:21:59] <ve2dmn> eating?
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L294[09:26:23] <ve2dmn> I have issues with
asteroids but they are related to USI-ART
L295[09:27:01] <ve2dmn> Which reminds me
that I should do a bug report on that
L296[09:27:30] <ve2dmn> I just hope
Roverdude won't close my bug if I mention CKAN
L297[09:31:03] <darsie> ve2dmn: Ships
docking on asteroids move partially or completely into the asteroid
after reloading the game.
L298[09:31:26] <ve2dmn> hum... so it's not
just ART
L299[09:32:30] <darsie> dunno ART.
L300[09:33:12] <Althego> hah wintergatan
video
L301[09:34:11] <ve2dmn> darsie: Asteroid
Recycling Tech. It makes Asteroid bigger, more massive and allows
to hollow them out to put storage
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L309[09:58:13] <Althego> mechanical
demagnetizer
L310[09:58:19] <Althego> so simple
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L312[10:02:24] <Althego> lol he made music
from the drill measurement
L313[10:10:45] <Fluburtur> that's Martin
for you
L314[10:19:12] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: that's
still a lot of work...
L315[10:19:42] <Fluburtur> yeah
L316[10:20:10] <ve2dmn> just cut all the
gaming from your life and you too could make these things
L317[10:23:08] <Fluburtur> I already build
plenty of things
L318[10:23:10] <Fluburtur> but not
enough
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L323[10:47:15] <Pakaran> Ok, I have good
news and bad news.
L324[10:47:30] <APlayer> Start with
playing some KSP
L325[10:47:46] <Pakaran> Ok, good news is
you can play KSP with dilated eyes.
L326[10:48:08] <Pakaran> Also, the eye
doctor says my left eye, even uncorrected, can pass an air force
test :D
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L328[10:48:25] <Pakaran> I do play KSP,
but I can't find a mod that gives Jeb glasses.
L329[10:48:36] <Pakaran> It would explain
the oversized helmet, if they don't get smudged or something.
L330[10:48:57] <Pakaran> So it appears
that I still need to learn to fly straight.
L331[10:49:25] <Pakaran> KrazyKrl, that
must have been an interesting ramble to walk into. Want a
recap?
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L333[10:50:00] <APlayer> Pakaran: Simple:
the glasses are integrated into the visor
L334[10:50:17] <Pakaran> APlayer, and no
need for sunglasses.
L335[10:50:24] <Pakaran> Maybe an LCD if
you get fancy?
L336[10:50:34] <ve2dmn> sunglasses would
be cool
L337[10:50:36] <Pakaran> not an
LCD...
L338[10:50:40] <Kalpa> So the bad
news?
L339[10:50:44] <Pakaran> what's the
electrically adjustable window thing?
L340[10:50:52] <Pakaran> Kalpa, I need to
learn to fly straight?
L341[10:51:09] <Kalpa> Oh.
L342[10:51:09] <Pakaran> ve2dmn, For
Kerbol landings?
L343[10:51:33] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: nobody is
cool enough for that
L344[10:53:03] <Pakaran> It's not the
landing.
L345[10:53:10] <Pakaran> It's cooling the
takeoff engine.
L346[10:53:18] <Pakaran> You'd need
emdrive boosters?
L347[10:54:00] <ve2dmn> also, in a real
solar case, what would you consider 'landing' ? There is no solid
ground.
L348[10:54:23] <ve2dmn> It's like trying
to land in a gas giant
L349[10:54:32] <Pakaran> The photosphere
is analogous to the clouds of Jool, or the ground on Eve?
L350[10:54:37] <Pakaran> You can return
from Eve, no?
L351[10:55:05] <ve2dmn> You would be one
with the planet WAY before you hit 'solid ground'
L352[10:55:39] <Pakaran> Picard escaped a
spacetime wedgie by using the phasers to perform eye surgery on the
event horizon.
L353[10:55:49] <Pakaran> But that's
scientifically problematic, maybe?
L354[10:56:37] <Pakaran> Wesley helped,
and Q watched from his phone on the pad. Honest, officer.
L355[10:56:41] <ve2dmn> That's just
Technobabble
L356[10:57:19] <Pakaran> I resign.
L357[10:57:19] <Kalpa> Sounds
plausible.
L358[10:57:22] <ve2dmn> nothing escape
from an event horizon
L359[10:57:28] <Pakaran> Mate in...
3?
L360[10:58:35] <ve2dmn> but to my original
point, if you CAN define 'landing on Kerbol' and 'Landing on
Jool'
L361[10:58:54] <Pakaran> To your original
point, seriously, I can't.
L362[10:59:03] <Pakaran> I don't think I
even need to sign the scorecard.
L363[10:59:07] <ve2dmn> There use to be a
way
L364[10:59:30] <Pakaran> Yeah.
L365[10:59:32] <ve2dmn> Plus the science
experiement text 'while landed on Jool' are funny
L366[10:59:42] <Pakaran> You can get a
probe fairly deep.
L367[10:59:43] <Pakaran> ?
L369[11:00:19] <ve2dmn> look at the
Trivia, in the spoiler tag
L370[11:00:34] <ve2dmn> "Despite not
having a surface, the game files that contain what the Kerbals say
in the different reports/observations (ScienceDefs.cfg) also
contains some reports while landed on the surface of
Jool."
L371[11:02:42] <Pakaran> nice
L372[11:03:07] <ve2dmn> It's various
comments on "You are not supposed to be here." and
"The sensor is now a pile of crushed metal"
L373[11:03:24] <Pakaran> Not
surprising.
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L376[11:04:04] <Pakaran> I mean, at most,
you'd get a pressure reading.
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L392[12:14:56] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: a
pressure reading? more like "The scale has compressed into a
singularity! It's over 9000!"
L393[12:15:24] <Pakaran> heh
L394[12:19:32] <ve2dmn> Falcon 9 in
3h
L395[12:19:40] <ve2dmn> (not FH)
L396[12:20:05] <Pakaran> has that Chinese
station reentered yet?
L397[12:20:15] <ve2dmn> that's in
months
L398[12:20:44] <Pakaran> ah, I last saw
'march' and lost track.
L399[12:23:57] <ve2dmn> I still want the
Tesla car to have Jeb on the dashboard
L402[12:32:28] <ve2dmn> according to the
list, Red Dragon Mission 1 from SpaceX is in 2020-06
L403[12:33:07] <ve2dmn> same time as Mars
2020 from ULA
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L405[12:44:23] <APlayer> IIRC they
scrapped Red Dragon?
L406[12:45:55] <APlayer> I wonder if it is
possible to manually pilot the FH. Because with so little payload
mass, it must have lots of excess delta v, can afford manual
piloting losses
L407[12:46:17] <APlayer> And it would be
/so/ Kerbal in nature even Elon Musk would have liked the idea, I
guess :P
L408[12:49:33] <Draconiator> They should
have added a copy of KSP pressed onto a solid-gold DVD. And a
gold-plated box. eh, is it possible to crack open a hole in the
fairing to add something?
L409[12:53:12] <APlayer> Draconiator:
Kolden Rekord?
L410[12:55:53] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: even
better
L411[12:57:13] <APlayer> ve2dmn: But don't
put Jeb on the dashboard
L412[12:57:26] <ve2dmn> at the
wheel?
L413[12:57:49] <APlayer> Jeb is too
valuable, use a generic Kerbal, in case the rocket explodes on
first launch. Also, yes, at the wheel is a good idea too
L414[12:58:14] <APlayer> Let it dangle on
a cord in front of the wheel, that will make a nice effect in zero
G
L416[12:58:30] <APlayer> Yeah, saw
it
L417[12:58:40] <ve2dmn> but it could be
Elon Kerman for all I know
L418[12:58:53] <APlayer> Still use some
different Kerbal, you don't launch Jeb on untested rockets :P
L419[12:59:52] <Draconiator> Is there
actually an Elon in the random name generator? I remember I got a
Leia once...complete with a bun in her hair.
L420[13:00:03] <ve2dmn> i wonder if the
Leon Musk twitter account still exist
L421[13:00:14] <APlayer> Also, yay for
clear skies which happens only like once every two weeks since
November. I can see the full moon once again
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L423[13:00:42] <APlayer> Leon Umsk?
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L426[13:01:28] <ve2dmn> or 'Léon Musque',
the french Elon Musk
L427[13:01:55] <APlayer> L'eon
Musque
L429[13:03:23] <ve2dmn> Still there
L430[13:03:46] <Draconiator> Apparently,
solar eclipses baffle even Flat Earthers...and the more I read, the
more I'm convinced all of them are high on an unknown
substance....
L431[13:03:49] <Draconiator> Some believe
the sun and the moon are simply holograms projected in the sky, to
convince the masses that we are part of the universe which we are
led to believe we are in. A person by the username Hoeskioeh wrote
on Reddit: Maintenance downtime of the sun/moon hologram, new
firmware upgrade.
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L433[13:05:36] <APlayer> OK, someone
please explain why I am getting genetic engineering software ads on
Twitter
L434[13:05:36] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: They
don't believe in anything, the only common thing with all of them
is "IT'S ALL A LIE"
L435[13:06:22] <APlayer> I mean, I sure am
honoured, but I've never (or at least not anytime recently) even
Googled remotely related things, so...
L436[13:08:37] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: but
seriously, the conspiracy-minded people don't usually believe in
anything specific, they mostly think they are lied to
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L438[13:12:05] <ve2dmn> If you are ever
stuff at the same table as that type of people, they are easy to
'fool' in front of everyone else...
L439[13:12:41] <ve2dmn> Arguing with them
is pointless, but if you want to show everyone that this person is
nuts, it's pretty easy
L440[13:13:56] <ve2dmn> Just make up
something more 'conspiracy' minded then what they are saying.
L441[13:15:40] <ve2dmn> They'll usually
prefer believing in your stupid story then the truth
L442[13:17:08] <ve2dmn> "I heard it's
actually not the lizard people, but a group of mind-controlling
snake people that are responsible for global cooling"
L443[13:18:02] <ve2dmn> "They are the
one manipulating the lizard people in replacing our politicians, so
that when they are found out, we can't blame the real
culprit"
L444[13:18:35] <ve2dmn> "And the moon
is an hologram hiding their spaceship"
L445[13:19:24] <APlayer> ve2dmn: No.
That's what the government wants you to think. Actually, things are
much worse.
L446[13:19:56] <ve2dmn> Don't tell me it's
the mole people????
L447[13:22:58] *
ve2dmn still thinks the powers in charge stole his dream of owning
a house hippo
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minmus flats?
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L461[14:06:49] <Althego> i am trying to
collect all of the eva above biomes on minmus, and i am still
missing the flats
L462[14:07:04] <oren> the little
ones
L463[14:07:16] <Althego> then what are the
lesser flats?
L464[14:07:24] <oren> the less little
one
L465[14:07:28] <Althego> argh we really
need a labeled map
L466[14:08:06] <oren> I used to be fairly
good at drawring hand-drawn maos
L467[14:08:08] <oren> maps
L468[14:08:22] <oren> I should do some for
kerbal planets
L469[14:09:00] <Althego> there are
maps
L470[14:09:20] <Althego> just no labels,
so you dont know which one is which
L472[14:10:08] <oren> Althego: yeah I mean
liek the lord of the rings map style with labels and little
mountains and towns and such
L473[14:10:28] <oren> I guess rather than
towns, it would have the varous landmarks
L474[14:11:54] <oren> a legend for that
one would be nice
L475[14:13:57] <Mat2ch> Uh, there are
better minmus maps
L477[14:14:18] <Mat2ch> Use this one
L478[14:14:35] <darsie> Althego: Use
Kerbnet.
L479[14:14:36] <oren> nayway the
"flats" are the light cyan region northwest of the
greater flats
L480[14:15:33] <oren> Mat2ch: that one is
slightly outdated but at least it has a legend
L481[14:15:48] <oren> there isn't nearly s
many slopes naymore
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L484[14:18:50] <Mat2ch> oren: well, the
slopes are easy to find...
L485[14:19:52] <Althego> heh, i wouldnt
have thought. thanks
L486[14:20:02] <Althego> yes even the
slopes were easier
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L491[14:28:12] <oren> brb adding labels to
that 1.2 map
L492[14:28:58] <ve2dmn> 1h until F9
launch
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L494[14:32:07] <Althego> the mun has more
biomes but clearer because each huge crater has it osn
L496[14:32:47] <Althego> dont have the
octo yet
L497[14:33:13] <darsie> octo2
L498[14:33:38] <darsie> Althego: Then you
can do EVA reports for biome detection.
L499[14:36:28] <darsie> okto2*
L502[14:40:23] <oren> first draft
anyway
L503[14:41:42] <oren> interestingly the
lesser flats are larger than the great flats
L504[14:46:10] <Althego> nice
L505[14:46:11] <halcyon_b> Is that
minmus?
L506[14:46:14] <Althego> yes
L507[14:46:26] <halcyon_b> Nice
L508[14:46:50] <Althego> or maybe a color
leged is enough instead of labels
L509[14:47:09] <Althego> but in many cases
like in this one where everything is green, it would make it
hard
L510[14:55:33] <Althego> wait, when is the
launch?
L511[14:56:46] <halcyon_b> I thought the
F9 launch was yesterday
L512[14:56:54] <ve2dmn> Althego:
30min
L513[14:57:06] <Althego> eh i think i will
go to bed
L514[14:57:13] <Althego> just watch it
tomorrow
L515[14:57:40] <ve2dmn> 6 days until
FH
L517[14:57:54] <Althego> or more
L518[14:58:08] <halcyon_b> Whoa, that's a
lot of information
L519[14:58:48] <Althego> and in 5 hours an
othe one
L520[14:58:51] <Althego> interesting
page
L521[14:59:03] <ve2dmn> you've never seen
it?
L522[14:59:08] <halcyon_b> I don't think
I've ever watched a launch out of Russia
L523[14:59:12] <Althego> hehe falcon heavy
is red with the comment it"s happening
L525[14:59:24] <ve2dmn> easy to
remember
L526[14:59:52] <Althego> looks
horrible
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L528[15:01:15] <ve2dmn> but it's a live
view of all the tracked objecs
L529[15:01:30] <Althego> that is why it is
horrible
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L533[15:01:48] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: I got all
excited to show my wife my new script yesterday, the one that
worked perfect in practice and in my real game. I spun up a new
sandbox game, picked out the rocket, and launched. The
inter-vehicle communication failed for some reason, which made me
very sad.
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L535[15:03:33] <oren> tldr if you land in
the greater flats and take the right route overland to the lesser
flats you'll hit every biome except the poles
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L541[15:08:31] <Mathuin> Sorta bummed
they're not recovering the first stage today, if only because we
need more in museums.
L542[15:09:13] <ve2dmn> they arent?
bummer
L543[15:09:34] <Mathuin> The first stage
for this mission lofted NROL-76 last May.
L544[15:10:05] <oren> Eh.... I'll work
more on the map later, probably make a much higher res one
L545[15:10:08] <mrBlaQ> webcast is
starting soon. they're on the title card
L546[15:10:25] <Mathuin> Yep! started
streaming about three minutes ago, launch window opens in 15min or
so I think
L547[15:12:53] <Fluburtur> what
webcast?
L549[15:13:01] <kmath> YouTube - GovSat-1
Launch
L550[15:13:06] <ve2dmn> spaceX
L551[15:13:32] <Fluburtur> nice
L553[15:17:01] <ve2dmn> I know what they
are, but do you all know what the towers around the launch site are
for?
L554[15:17:19] <Fluburtur> lightning
protection
L555[15:17:31] <ve2dmn> So I was right.
Thanks
L556[15:18:02] <halcyon_b> Huh, I wouldn't
have guessed that. I guessed they were platforms for sensor
packages
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L560[15:21:46] <APlayer> T-3 min
L561[15:21:48] <Mathuin> oren: have you
seen the SCANsat maps? They have good default colors.
L562[15:22:03] <ve2dmn> APlayer: thanks.
We are watching
L563[15:22:15] <oren> Mathuin: yeah that
was what I'm planning to do
L564[15:23:38] <Mathuin> I'm now wondering
if anyone has done poster-sized biome or terrain maps of the bodies
in KSP
L565[15:23:39] <oren> Mathuin: I'll load
up ksp in sandbox and set the scansat settings to just let me see
everything, export high-res biome maps, and then add labels in
inkscape or something
L566[15:24:05] <oren> then upload result
to the wiki
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L569[15:31:57] <APlayer> Stage 1 entry
burn?
L570[15:32:03] <APlayer> What for?
L571[15:32:04] <Mathuin> Not recovering
stage one.
L572[15:32:11] <Mathuin> Probably to force
it to land where it's safe
L573[15:32:23] <Fluburtur> forgot to
remove the landing program from the rocket lel
L574[15:32:25] <APlayer> Alright, makes
sense
L575[15:32:46] <Mathuin> oren: Hyperedit
the probes in the right locations, warp ahead as long as necessary,
get the data in an hour tops. :-)
L576[15:34:06] <Mathuin> It pleases me
that my own geo orbit mission in KSP follows the same basic mission
plan as the real ones. Liftoff, staging, cutoff, change orbit to
GEO, let the probe circularize
L578[15:34:55] *
APlayer cheers at a good launch
L579[15:35:15] <ve2dmn> yay!
L580[15:35:24] <Mathuin> oren: that's the
tool
L581[15:36:15] <Pakaran> another silly
question
L582[15:36:27] <Pakaran> if pluto doesn't
have an atmosphere, why doesn't it lose ice to sublimation?
L583[15:36:53] <Pakaran> is the sublimed
gas simply too cold to reach escape velocity?
L584[15:36:55] <APlayer> It has a cloud of
ice crystals, IIRC
L585[15:37:29] <APlayer> Also, much colder
than LEO, so harder to sublimate
L586[15:37:34] <Pakaran> which would limit
the mean free path of "hot" molecules
L587[15:37:45] <APlayer> Also see comets
and such
L588[15:38:18] <Pakaran> nod
L589[15:38:19] <Pakaran> and I'
L590[15:38:44] <Pakaran> I'd guess that
bodies occupying the middle ground between "boils off"
and "still here" don't interest astronomers, because
there's not many left.
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L593[15:39:52] <APlayer> Anyway, got to go
to sleep early today, early wake up time tomorrow. Won't watch the
GTO insertion
L594[15:39:52] <Pakaran> Ceres has buried
ice apparently.
L595[15:39:56] <ve2dmn> Pakaran: there's a
lot of interest
L596[15:39:59] <Pakaran> sleep well
L597[15:40:05] <APlayer> See you tomorrow
guys!
L598[15:40:05] <Pakaran> in Ceres?
L599[15:40:18] <ve2dmn> in everything
:)
L600[15:40:53] <Pakaran> :)
L601[15:41:02] <ve2dmn> And there's no
such thing as 'not changing mass over time'
L602[15:41:17] <ve2dmn> either gain mass,
lose mass (or both at the same time)
L603[15:41:30] <Pakaran> Yeah, even if
Pluto were made out of platinum, it would still accrete random
stuff.
L604[15:41:31] <darsie> Should I do a
plane change for Moho near Kerbin or in solar orbit?
L605[15:41:45] <Mathuin> Wasn't it Ceres
that was transformed into a secret base in Ender's Game?
L606[15:42:02] <Mathuin> Eros, sorry,
wrong one
L607[15:42:07] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: SPOILER
ALERT!
L609[15:42:39] <Mathuin> The book came out
in 1985, I think it's okay. :-)
L610[15:42:42] <Pakaran> that's the kind
of thing they worried about in making really good vacuums on
Earth.
L611[15:42:43] <Mathuin> (I didn't read it
until 2001ish)
L612[15:42:53] <Pakaran> 1989, as
well.
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L616[15:46:11] <kmath> YouTube - Why
People Keep Eating Tide Pods
L617[15:46:36] <ve2dmn> The earth is a
donut
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L619[15:47:15] <Mathuin> Mmm, I think I
would enjoy playing Civ on a toroidal map
L620[15:48:07] <ve2dmn> I did that in
freeciv
L621[15:48:14] <ve2dmn> it was...
confusing a bit
L622[15:48:21] <Mathuin> Civ6 has these
neat minigames, 50 moves long, which are fun
L623[15:48:28] <Mathuin> I don't think
they've got taht kind of map trickery though.
L624[15:49:29] <ve2dmn> it's like the
normal map, but the north wrap up in the south along with the
normal East-west wrap
L625[15:49:47] <Mathuin> Right.
L626[15:49:52] <Mathuin> That's why I
think it'd be fun!
L627[15:50:30] <ve2dmn> but sinc the maps
was huge and always centered around my current unit, I was always :
"Where am I again? ho, right!"
L628[15:52:12] <ve2dmn> I eventually
terraformed the poles
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L630[15:53:21] <darsie> Near Kerbin is
cheaper.
L631[15:54:20] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: Is there
a way to do custom maps in Civ6 ?
L632[15:54:39] <ve2dmn> Think it would be
possible to play on Kerbin?
L633[15:54:43] <Mathuin> whoa
L634[15:54:46] <Mathuin> just who
L635[15:54:51] <Mathuin> that would be
awesome.
L636[15:55:47] <ve2dmn> because it's a
generic heighmap that has been re-used elsewhere, so it should be
possible to get it
L637[15:59:23] <Mathuin> There's a youtube
video on map making, hmm.
L639[15:59:35] <kmath> YouTube -
Civilization 6 Mods, Maps, & Tweaks: Map Making
L640[15:59:56] <Mathuin> In short, it
comes with a 'worldbuilder' which is disabled by default.
L641[16:00:07] <Mathuin> Enable it, it's
under the mods.
L642[16:01:53] <ve2dmn> too bad
www.kerbalmaps.com doesn't work anymore
L643[16:02:07] <ve2dmn> (it's a domain
park... don't go there)
L646[16:05:33] <ve2dmn> given enough
motivation, you could play on Minmus
L647[16:06:01] <ve2dmn> ok, I'm heading
home. Laters
L648[16:06:02] <Mathuin> You'd have to
have a very comprehensive mod.
L649[16:06:04] <Mathuin> later!
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L651[16:08:05] <oren> man that implies
that the Mun, unlike any real planet, is a prolate spheroid
L652[16:09:02] <oren> actually a lot fo
the kerbal planets are, to the first degree of approximation
L653[16:09:16] <Mathuin> How are you
reading that from the height maps? The proportions?
L654[16:09:41] <oren> Mathuin: well they
have high elevated poles and lowlands arounfd the equator
L655[16:10:06] <Mathuin> So it depends on
whether they're corrected or not?
L656[16:10:12] <oren> if you map that onto
a perfect shpere you get a prolate sphereoid
L657[16:10:31] <oren> Mathuin: all kerbal
planets are perfect shperes
L658[16:11:06] <oren> (neglecting
heightmap)
L659[16:11:31] <Mathuin> Ah okay
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L661[16:25:02] <Eddi|zuHause> Settlers I
had toroidal maps
L662[16:27:58] <Eddi|zuHause> man, just
saying that makes me want to play that game again
L663[16:28:48] <Eddi|zuHause> ... and then
throw it away again because either i played against too easy AI,
too hard AI or i miss game features from "modern"
games
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L665[16:32:17] <Raazeer> hey all.
L666[16:32:46] <Raazeer> has anyone ever
done a coop mod for ksp?
L667[16:32:59] <Fluburtur> there is a
multiplayer mod that somewhat works
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L669[16:37:01] <Raazeer> Fluburtur, I know
the one, I was more aiming more at working together to launch ONE
rocket.
L670[16:38:32] <tawny> get a friend irl,
each of you takes one half of the keyboard
L671[16:39:34] <Mathuin> Raazeer: Houston
is the name of the mod I heard about
L672[16:39:39] <Raazeer> tawny, what's
this irl you speak of?
L673[16:39:50] <Mathuin> Where one person
is the pilot in one room separate from everyone else who works on
mission control.
L674[16:40:04] <Raazeer> Mathuin, that
sounds promising
L676[16:40:33] <Mathuin> "Houston's
designed for Mission Control Parties. What's a Mission Control
Party? It's when you get a bunch of friends together and each
person has a separate station, and you somehow have to coordinate
with the pilot (who you may have locked in the bathroom with some
snacks for dramatic effect) to try to pull off an actual
mission."
L677[16:41:09] <Raazeer> Love the last
part.
L678[16:41:33] <Raazeer> So kerbal
L679[16:41:53] <Raazeer> aaand it's also
for 1.0.4
L680[16:41:55] <Raazeer> bust!
L681[16:41:58] <Mathuin> Read the
bottom
L682[16:42:01] <Mathuin> of that
thread
L683[16:42:13] <Mathuin> Apparently it's
integrated with Telemachus which was at least up to 1.1.3
L684[16:42:46] <Raazeer> Ah, K.
L685[16:43:33] <Mathuin> The forums
include a fan's "packaged up version that seems to work fine
for me in 1.3.1"
L686[16:44:05] <Mathuin> IDK what happened
to OP, maybe they fell under a bus or graduated.
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L689[16:45:04] <Raazeer> Mathuin, If all
else fails, I can probably use KSPrpc and do my own
networking.
L690[16:45:24] <Mathuin> Recreating
Houston with kRPC would probably not even be all that hard.
L692[16:46:31] <kmath> YouTube - Making
Fun: Mission Control Desk
L693[16:46:54] <Mathuin> All about the
hardware
L694[16:47:05] <Mathuin> My wife calls
those things "busy boards", apparently they're a big deal
for kids.
L695[16:47:09] <lordcirth> I've enabled
Advanced Tweakables in this new save, but autostrut isn't showing
up? 1.3.1
L696[16:47:19] <Mathuin> You may have to
exit and re-enter.
L697[16:47:27] <Mathuin> It shows up in
the right-click menu on the parts.
L698[16:51:43] <Mathuin> OOC, if a craft
has autostruts when AT is enabled, what happens when it
isn't?
L699[16:52:41] <Raazeer> Mathuin, I was
thinking about turning the light and soud show into something
actually useful for controlling KSP, somewhere along the lines of
replicating the interior of a mk1 cockpit.
L700[16:53:32] <Raazeer> with all the
action groups, staging, abort, all that stuff.
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L702[16:56:29] <lordcirth> Mathuin, I've
restarted the game, nothing
L703[16:56:33] <Mathuin> Oh, there's an
entire subreddit for that IIRC.
L704[16:56:37] <Mathuin> lordcirth: :-(
that worked for me.
L705[16:56:55] <lordcirth> *sigh* I've got
a rescue contract and the pod has no hatches. Any good
workarounds?
L706[16:57:07] <Mathuin> The pod that's in
space?!
L707[16:57:12] <Mathuin> Or the rescue
vehicle's pod?
L708[16:58:28] <lordcirth> The pod that's
in space, yeah. It's Ven's version of the Cupola I think
L709[16:58:44] <lordcirth> Common bug with
modded pods, I hear
L710[16:59:52] <lordcirth> A Reddit thread
says to save-edit it into a mk1 pod
L711[17:01:32] <lordcirth> Oh, it's a USI
part
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L713[17:10:11] <lordcirth> Neat, it
worked!
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L715[17:14:49] <Mathuin> Oooh. I don't
know if AT autostruts work on non-stock parts.
L717[17:27:46] <Raazeer> Mathuin,
schweeet.
L718[17:28:13] <Raazeer> I foolishly
installed a mod that was SUPPOSED to move the KSC to Duna.
L719[17:28:33] <Mathuin> !!
L720[17:28:37] <Raazeer> What it actually
did was REPLACE Kerbin by Duna. Now my satelite constellation is
all over the place.
L721[17:28:42] <Mathuin> I'll bet!
L722[17:29:32] <Raazeer> Oh well, I guess
I'll toss the savegame before I try to fix that ratf**ck.
L723[17:29:43] <Mathuin> It's hard not to
get attached to games
L724[17:29:54] <Mathuin> But the
all-mods-in-all-saves thing is particularly frustrating.
L725[17:30:34] <Raazeer> Mathuin, I keep
separate installs for the crazier mods like that one that installs
true newtonian physics.
L726[17:30:38] <Raazeer> That's real fun
though.
L727[17:31:18] <Raazeer> Heh. Would't want
to combine THAT with RemoteTech though, I'd need to hire a real
space engineer to get me ANYWHERE.
L728[17:31:27] <Mathuin> I have a separate
install with zero mods for testing
L729[17:31:42] <Mathuin> I had a
super-frustrating KIS experience yesterday that almost got me to
toss it and KAS
L730[17:32:04] <Mathuin> But kOS is just
awesome, and at this point it might just replace MechJeb for
me.
L731[17:32:39] <Raazeer> Mathuin, Which of
the KSP gods did a video series about KRPC a while back?
L732[17:33:47] <Raazeer> Because he said
the exact same thing.
L733[17:33:54] <Mathuin> Huh!
L734[17:34:06] <Raazeer> about replacing
mechjeb.
L735[17:34:11] <Mathuin> I like kRPC for
metagaming stuff (like Houston) but kOS for doing things in
game.
L736[17:34:45] <Raazeer> Mathuin, the fact
is you can pretty much emulate Kos with krpc, but with quote decent
unquote languages
L737[17:35:03] <Mathuin> They can both
manipulate in-game controls, that is true.
L738[17:35:36] <Mathuin> But kOS involves
parts with their own little storage and communications
issues.
L739[17:35:48] <Mathuin> While kRPC is
"here's the state of the game, now change the state of the
game"
L740[17:35:58] <Raazeer> Mathuin, ok,
point.
L741[17:36:40] <Mathuin> I got paid to
write Python for years, and have started learning Go, and am super
excited about using those both with KSP -- but only for telemetry
and the like, not for MechJeb.
L742[17:37:22] <Raazeer> Mathuin, I
actually like a bit of obscure languages now and then, gets my mind
off the fact that I'm basicly still a web developer.
L743[17:37:43] <Mathuin> Yeah, but I get
so pissy when I use . instead of : or forget the trailing . in my
Kerboscript. :-)
L744[17:38:06] <Raazeer> Mathuin, that's
what makes it so retro.
L745[17:38:16] <Mathuin> I love that it
has lexicons.
L746[17:38:21] <Raazeer> obscure syntax,
forget one dot and it all goes pear-shaped.
L747[17:38:39] <Mathuin> And I wish I were
more experienced with Atom plugins so I could add some syntax
checking.
L748[17:40:04] <Raazeer> man, adafruit has
more in the buttons category than in any other.
L749[17:40:24] <Raazeer> heh, kinda tells
you what it's all about
L750[17:40:31] <Raazeer> shiny, blinky
buttons!!!
L751[17:41:09] <Raazeer> "Ooooooh,
shiny! What does THIS button do? <click>"
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L754[17:41:55] <Raazeer> looks like
fun.
L755[17:42:22] <Raazeer> I think I still
have my ascent curve program somewhere.
L756[17:43:13] <Raazeer> Sadly adafruit
has nothing of the more... obscure categories, like safety switches
and stuff.
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L760[17:49:30] <Raazeer> Mathuin, ah yes,
those. No, I'm looking for those push buttons with spring-loaded
covers.
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L762[17:51:26] <Mathuin> Might be worth
checking sparkfun then
L763[17:52:35] <Raazeer> Mathuin, I think
I just cracked the google code for them.
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L765[17:53:05] <Raazeer> So now I can
finally finish my doomsday machine in style
Muaahahahahahahaaaaa!
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L768[18:00:32] <Pakaran> Is this a topic
where I can be helpful as an enthusiastic newbie?
L769[18:01:01] <Pakaran> I actually did
think about the issue of glasses in space.
L770[18:01:16] <Pakaran> (whether or not I
get them myself particularly soon)
L771[18:02:06] <Mathuin> I imagine goggles
or contact lenses would be how glasses would roll, but I bet NASA
has already addressed this.
L772[18:02:53] <Pakaran> yeah.
L773[18:03:00] <Pakaran> 1.000293
L774[18:03:00] <Pakaran> is the index of
refraction in air.
L775[18:03:26] <Pakaran> Glasses literally
taped to the outside of a helmet would perform far better than
normal eyes underwater 1.333
L776[18:04:18] <Pakaran> if you didn't do
an eye exam in LEO, which is silly.
L777[18:04:58] <Pakaran> temperature
differentials in air are another issue
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L783[18:11:31] <Pakaran> there actually IS
a mod that includes sunglasses.
L784[18:12:15] <Mathuin> I imagine
TextureReplacer would do that well.
L786[18:12:37] <Pakaran> they add about 7
years of age, but other than that...
L787[18:12:59] <Mathuin> Very TopGun
L788[18:13:07] <Pakaran> hmm
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L791[18:17:39] <Pakaran> where I left off
actually playing, Val had done a successful Mun flyby in a craft
with some ascent controllability issues
L792[18:18:00] <Pakaran> which was either
the third or fourth mission to space.
L793[18:18:52] <Pakaran> I almost wonder
if boosters were helping me mostly in acting as drag stabilizers
when I tried to start my turn at 30 m/s
L794[18:20:53] <Pakaran> I have reverted
to VAB, but never in circumstances that would cause loss of life.
Worst being supersonic FAR disassembly around 8-10 km.
L795[18:24:20] <Pakaran> I mean, somebody
did it in a Blackbird.
L796[18:26:55] <Mathuin> Whoa, apparently
the first stage landed intact in water!
L797[18:27:14] <Mathuin> "This rocket
was meant to test very high retrothrust landing in water so it
didn't hurt the droneship, but amazingly it has survived. We will
try to tow it back to shore."
L799[18:27:26] <kmath> <elonmusk>
This rocket was meant to test very high retrothrust landing in
water so it didn’t hurt the droneship, but amazingly…
https://t.co/wAIBtlLyTz
L800[18:27:28] <Fluburtur> wow
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L802[18:28:22] <TheKosmonaut> MAD
LAD
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L804[18:28:51] <Fluburtur> I still want a
marlin engine bell to make a bbq
L805[18:28:55] <Fluburtur> merlin*
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L808[18:33:04] <Pakaran> Through the eyes
of a kerbal seems a bit much.
L810[18:33:46] <Pakaran> I mean, I have no
intent of landing on Kerbol (or even attempting to do eva reports
in the atmosphere).
L811[18:34:13] <Pakaran> I tend to use
nontrivial orbital EVA for rescue missions...
L812[18:36:03] <Fluburtur> like
bradley?
L813[18:39:28] <Pakaran> Bradley?
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L817[18:41:02] <Fluburtur> dude is
hardcore
L818[18:41:32] <Aviatior101> hello
L819[18:41:32] <Mod9000> Hello,
Aviatior101
L820[18:41:50] <Aviatior101> is anyone
there
L821[18:41:53] <Pakaran> oh, what I'm
talking about is getting a mk1 pod with a probe core and electical
system in a very similar orbit
L822[18:42:35] <Pakaran> ideally, close
enough that once you EVA, it's hard to miss the rescue ship.
L823[18:42:55] <Pakaran> that's what I did
in a prior career, anyhow
L824[18:43:08] <Pakaran> (also fewer
mods)
L825[18:44:08] <Pakaran> yes, yes he
is
L826[18:44:27] <Pakaran> The Odyssey by
Bill, Book 9: 564 Kerbals Single Stage to Laythe
L827[18:48:18] <Fluburtur> I need a name
for my rocket engines protos
L828[18:48:25] <Fluburtur> preferably a
very kerbal acronym
L829[18:49:12] <darsie> What's a
proto?
L830[18:49:18] <Fluburtur> prototype
L831[18:49:37] <darsie> irl?
L832[18:50:08] <Fluburtur> yes
L833[18:50:15] <Fluburtur> rocket candy at
first then maybe hybrids
L834[18:50:20] <darsie> Flea?
L835[18:50:52] <Fluburtur> I had EREA
which stands for experimental rocket engine for airplane
L836[18:50:59] <Fluburtur> but it isn't
kerbal enough
L837[18:51:30] <Pakaran> BACON.
Bicarbonate acid combination outputting newtons.
L838[18:51:43] <Fluburtur> lel
L839[18:52:17] <Fluburtur> well it needs
to have like 50% of related things to the engine itself
L840[18:52:36] <Pakaran> oh, I thought you
were looking for kerbal ideas for an actual candy sounding rocket
or something.
L841[18:52:48] <Fluburtur> nah is for rc
planes
L842[18:52:54] <Fluburtur> butmaybe
rockets too
L843[18:52:56] <Fluburtur> mostly
planes
L844[18:53:04] <darsie> For thrust or
smoke?
L845[18:53:10] <Pakaran> mentos RCS?
L846[18:53:22] <Fluburtur> well
thrust
L847[18:53:29] <Fluburtur> I want a plane
to fly only on rocket power
L848[18:53:45] <darsie> From start?
L849[18:53:53] <Pakaran> Have you seen
soda bottle rockets?
L850[18:54:04] <Fluburtur> yeah but those
are meh
L851[18:54:14] <Fluburtur> and I just
ordered 1kg of potassium nitrate
L852[18:54:27] <Pakaran> ok, so think more
kerbal?
L853[18:54:47] <Fluburtur> yes
L854[18:55:37] <Pakaran> potassium nitrate
and sugar?
L855[18:55:42] <Fluburtur> yeah
L856[18:55:49] <Pakaran> could ignite with
a light bulb
L857[18:55:52] <Pakaran> even in
flight
L858[18:56:09] <Fluburtur> I was thinking
9v battery with a switch
L859[18:56:19] <Fluburtur> tu burn a piece
of wire with a match head if needed
L860[18:56:28] <Fluburtur> either external
to the plane itself or internal
L861[18:56:42] <Fluburtur> will probably
do both ground launch and carrier aircraft
L862[18:56:47] <darsie> End burner or core
hole?
L863[18:57:05] <Fluburtur> will need to do
some experiments for that
L864[18:57:20] <Fluburtur> I want a long
combustion of between 20 to 30 seconds so maybe a mix of both
L865[18:58:25] <Aviatior101> I just made a
V-1 pulse jet rocket
L866[18:58:27] <darsie> core hole lit at
the nozzle?
L867[18:58:28] <Pakaran> and just let the
plane transition to providing lift?
L868[18:58:50] <Fluburtur> nah, lit at the
end of the core
L869[18:58:59] <Fluburtur> will take off
at an angle of 15° maybe
L870[18:59:06] <Fluburtur> so it will
provide lift all the way
L871[18:59:55] <Fluburtur> also pulse jets
are much more complicated
L872[19:00:03] <Fluburtur> needs a tuned
exhaust pipe and stuff
L873[19:00:47] <darsie> I want to make a
solar powered plane.
L874[19:00:55] <Pakaran> I've definitely
seen small planes designed to launch from the runway using a
booster, and land with chutes.
L876[19:01:21] <kmath> YouTube - SOLAR
Powered RC FPV Plane Build and Maiden - RCTESTFLIGHT -
L877[19:08:18] <Mathuin> I decorate my
planes with chutes to help deal with landing challenges.
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L885[19:33:35] <Guest17832> hi
L886[19:33:39] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest17832
L888[19:33:57] <Guest17832> woah this is a
noice community
L889[19:34:46] <taniwha> Mod9000 is a bot,
though
L890[19:34:50] <taniwha> however, hi
:)
L891[19:35:11] <Guest17832> anyone have
rasterpropmoniter
L892[19:35:15] <Guest17832> the mod
L893[19:35:22] <Mathuin> I use it.
L894[19:35:26] <Mathuin> It is keen.
L895[19:35:47] <Guest17832> i lovei t but
my moniters are not on is that normal when i start or no?
L896[19:35:47] <taniwha> until you look in
your logs :(
L897[19:35:49] <Guest17832> if so
L898[19:35:55] <Guest17832> how do i turn
them on?
L899[19:36:33] <Mathuin> You have to hit
the buttons.
L900[19:36:44] <Mathuin> Along the top and
bottom of each monitor, there are seven buttons
L901[19:36:47] <Mathuin> (I think seven,
I'm at work)
L902[19:37:00] <Mathuin> The one I use the
most is the second from the left on the bottom row.
L903[19:37:01] <Guest17832> yep
seven
L904[19:37:02] <taniwha> several, at any
rate :)
L905[19:37:12] <Guest17832> to turn
on?
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L907[19:37:22] <Mathuin> Press it once,
get a certain mode. Press it again for another one. Press it a
third time to go back to the default.
L908[19:37:27] <Mathuin> There are issues
with RPM and CKAN.
L909[19:37:39] <Guest17832> i press them
and nothing happens at all.
L910[19:37:48] <Guest17832> the screen is
blank no numbers nothing
L911[19:37:50] <Mathuin> So if you have
RPM installed via CKAN, you will have to remove it and install RPM
by hand from their website before they will help you diagnose the
problem.
L912[19:37:57] <Mathuin> Do you have
power?
L913[19:38:07] <Guest17832> yes
L914[19:38:10] <taniwha> I haven't used
RPM for several years, so I can't help, sorry
L915[19:38:15] <Guest17832> ok
L916[19:38:50] <Guest17832> i have rpm
will it work with out CKAN
L917[19:39:01] <taniwha> most mods
will
L918[19:39:08] <Guest17832> ok
L919[19:40:09] <Mathuin> No mod requires
CKAN.
L920[19:40:20] <Guest17832> ok
L921[19:40:44] <Guest17832> i dont have
ckan i only have RPM and it still wont turn on its only a black
screen on the moniter
L922[19:41:05] <Guest17832> im clicking
all the bottuns
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L924[19:44:09] <Guest17832> clciked them
all nothing new ):
L925[19:44:20] <Mathuin> Are you sure you
have the most recent version of RPM properly installed?
L926[19:44:28] <Mathuin> And are you using
the most recent version of KSP?
L927[19:45:11] <Guest17832> let me
check
L928[19:45:41] <Guest17832> mine is
L929[19:47:06] <Guest17832> v0.29.3
L930[19:47:48] <Guest17832> yes
L931[19:49:34] <Guest17832> do i need to
turn it on or something first?
L932[19:52:12] <Guest17832> hello?
L933[19:52:37] <Mathuin> Sorry, I'm at
work, like I said.
L934[19:52:45] <Mathuin> I think that's
the latest version.
L935[19:52:58] <icefire> CKAN requests
CKAN ??
L936[19:53:08] <Mathuin> There is no CKAN
only Zuul.
L937[19:53:26] <Guest17832> ok sorry
L938[19:53:37] <Mathuin> Seriously,
though, I have no idea why your RPM monitors aren't working. If you
have nothing installed except RPM and its dependencies and it's
still not working, I'd post on the forums.
L939[19:54:15] <Guest17832> ok ihave like
scansat and one other thing
L940[19:54:33] <Guest17832> rentry
particals
L941[19:55:10] <Mathuin> It's safest to
reinstall from scratch, then add only what RPM needs.
L942[19:55:29] <Guest17832> ok i will try
that
L943[19:57:33] <Guest17832> oh shoot thats
why i have no dependencies for it silly me!
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L948[20:09:27] <Mathuin> I want to say
ModuleManager is its only dependency but that's just a guess.
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L950[20:10:51] <Mathuin> taniwha: now you
have me curious, does it spam Player.log or something?
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L953[20:23:28] <Aviatior101> DO any of you
have the argus PulseJet mod
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L958[20:34:55] <taniwha> Mathuin: last I
checked, yes
L959[20:35:04] <Mathuin> taniwha: huh,
wonder why.
L960[20:35:07] <taniwha> though I admit to
that being a while ago
L961[20:35:14] <Mathuin> The sketchiest
mod I'm using now is the RPM kOS mod.
L962[20:35:30] <taniwha> more importantly
for me, I do not like what it does to the stock cockpits
L963[20:35:33] <Mathuin> I stopped using a
number of other mods because I can't maintain my forks of them
anymore.
L964[20:35:39] <Mathuin> Oooh, I only use
stock pods, what does it do to them?
L965[20:35:47] <taniwha> (though that's
really a few config tweaks away from being fixed)
L966[20:35:59] <taniwha> makes them ugly
:)
L967[20:36:11] <taniwha> (I /like/ the
stock props)
L968[20:36:19] <Mathuin> I haven't seen
them without RPM in a while
L969[20:36:23] <taniwha> and the stock
cockpits are designed around those props
L970[20:36:25] <Mathuin> Is there a viable
competitor to RPM?
L971[20:36:59] <taniwha> IVAs that are
designed around RPM are a completely different matter, of
course
L972[20:37:33] <taniwha> there's MAS,
dunno how it compares as I found out about it only yesterday
L974[20:38:05] <Mathuin> I like the stock
pods, but I really want RPM-like functionality.
L975[20:38:27] <taniwha> each to their
own, really
L976[20:43:35] <taniwha> that said, a bit
more functionality in the stock pods would be nice
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L987[22:08:30] <UmbralRaptor> taniwha:
nice
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L990[22:21:42] <taniwha> UmbralRaptor:
several others in that directory
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