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L6[00:10:40] <NeverCast> Ahoy
L7[00:10:50] <NeverCast> Is Unity 4.2.2
still the expected build to use for making props?
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L31[02:23:50] <kmath> <elonmusk> This
rocket was meant to test very high retrothrust landing in water so
it didn’t hurt the droneship, but amazingly…
https://t.co/wAIBtlLyTz
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L34[02:40:12] <NeverCast> Neat!
L35[02:40:31] <NeverCast> I'd assumed it
would have folded or even RUD on fall over. Considering it's
height.
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L39[02:47:03] <Mat2ch> well, it must have
been a very soft landing
L40[02:47:23] <Mat2ch> like touching down
very very slowly on the water and then sinking in and falling
over
L41[02:47:27] <Mat2ch> veeeerry slow
L42[02:53:02] <NeverCast> I assume
telemetry was either captured or is stored on board. Would love to
see an animation of what happened.
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L47[03:32:48] <NeverCast> Wasn't there
originally a bunch of loading screens bundled with
LoadingScreenManager?
L48[03:32:57] <NeverCast> Or was it a
sibling mod that provided those?
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L52[03:47:47] <taniwha> unless told
otherwise, LoadingScreenManager uses your Screenshots
directory
L53[03:48:02] <taniwha> afaik, anyway
L54[03:49:52] <NeverCast> A'ight then.
That's not what I want. Cheers.
L55[03:50:05] <NeverCast> My screenshots
are terrible, don't want to stare at those for 20 minutes on
load
L56[03:51:18] <taniwha> if your screenshots
are terrible, why did you hit F1? :)
L57[03:51:56] <NeverCast> Probably in a
state of panic trying to hit Esc or something.
L58[03:52:05] <taniwha> heh
L59[03:53:10] <NeverCast> taniwha: Your
Blender too. Working on tanks or rocket motors. Is it still a
better experience to play with it in Unity, or is your blender
support quite ... supportive?
L60[03:53:15] <NeverCast> s/too/tool/
L61[03:54:53] <taniwha> well... it's not
well documented (or at all?), but when you export a model, it will
look for model.cfg.in, parse it, and produce model.cfg (model =
name of root object)
L62[03:55:38] <taniwha> in the output cfg,
any attach node empties will be output appropriately, and various
${...} substitutions made
L64[03:57:41] <taniwha> check the "mu
tools" tab in the toolbox (t panel)
L65[03:58:54] <kubi>
"survived"
L66[03:59:02] <taniwha> the main failing
besides animation support is material setup is... painful
L67[03:59:39] <kubi> salty water and the
survival of connected metals with different electronegativity
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L72[04:28:33] <NeverCast> taniwha: Thanks!
I want to get in to making parts, if I can do it from inside
Blender where I'll be modelling, then awesome! But if that's harder
than using Unity next to Blender, less awesome I guess.
L73[04:29:35] <taniwha> my experiences with
doing things in Unity have been less than satisfactory
L74[04:30:06] <NeverCast> That was my
opinion about Unity when using it for Unity things
L76[04:34:54] <NeverCast> Woah, that's an
interesting workspace layout you have
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L78[04:38:53] <taniwha> not my usual. it
evolved during the project
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L81[04:45:19] <taniwha> hmm, ranger may
have been before I did the cfg.in stuff
L82[04:46:11] <taniwha> nope
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L84[04:51:45] <Fluburtur> I had some clrea
sky last night and managed to take photos of the moon with my wird
contraption
L86[04:52:29] <taniwha> (and a slew of
others in the directory)
L88[04:52:58] <taniwha> nice
L89[04:53:15] <Fluburtur> I have an old
optical telescope and I managed to fit my camera on it
L90[04:53:25] <Fluburtur> but it was hard
to aim and it was bouncing a lot
L91[04:53:26] <Fluburtur> so eh
L92[04:53:46] <Fluburtur> I need to make a
mechanical drive so I can aim it with a joystick and it will be
solid
L93[04:53:47] <taniwha> heh, yeah, I had
similar trouble (flimsy tripod, heavy telephoto lens)
L94[04:54:19] <Fluburtur> at least I
finally have a decent "lens" to take sky pictures
L95[04:54:29] <taniwha> that you do
L96[04:54:46] <NeverCast> It was cloudy for
me, but my family managed to go on a road trip and get a nice
picture or two
L98[04:55:42] <NeverCast> Fluburtur: You
can retro fit some of the really old mechanical drives, they will
do tracking for you too if you have a starchart and dial it in. It
wont auto-find like a new fancy one. But it'll do the job for a
camera
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L100[04:56:04] <Fluburtur> eh I only have
a azimuthal mount
L102[04:56:11] <taniwha> Fluburtur:
probably one of my better pre-eclipse shots:
http://taniwha.org/~bill/2018_01_eclipse/P1310746.JPG
L103[04:56:21] <Fluburtur> but I was
thinking of mounting some 3d printed worm gear drive
L104[04:56:25] <Fluburtur> if I had a 3d
printer
L106[04:56:47] <Fluburtur> solid
L107[04:56:55] <NeverCast> Yep!
L108[04:57:16] <taniwha> NeverCast: that
is very nice
L109[04:57:21] <taniwha> obvious a
tracking mount
L110[04:57:24] <NeverCast> Also one of
those planetary adjustable ratio dials for your hand is nice. Fine
tuning
L111[04:57:31] <taniwha> (you can see that
my exposures are 8s)
L112[04:57:46] <NeverCast> I suspect
Steve's exposures are a bit longer. I can ask him actually.
L114[04:58:06] <Fluburtur> my friend has a
newtonian with equatorial mount and manual worm gears but his
tripod is flimsy
L115[04:58:17] <Fluburtur> he wants to get
an electric mount but those are expensive
L116[04:58:33] <Fluburtur> taniwha WARP
SPEED
L117[04:59:06] <NeverCast> taniwha: Is it
the moon or mun that rotates around us the opposite way to it's
actual orbit, due to us spinning faster than it orbits? I confuse
the universes.
L118[04:59:51] <NeverCast> taniwha: It's
possible that the photo was many many photos, all additively
stacked in post-processing. I'm not sure if it was tracked,
post-process or both.
L119[05:00:33] <taniwha> yeah, considering
that's how cameras do HDR
L120[05:00:45] <taniwha> (or at least how
mine does)
L121[05:01:08] <NeverCast> Yeah, different
exposures and then smoosh them (technical term)
L122[05:01:22] <Fluburtur> I saw a video
the other day about proper sky photos
L123[05:01:35] <Fluburtur> is not that
hard but you need to be hella patient and know how to do it
L124[05:02:27] <NeverCast> taniwha:
Another one from Steve, HDR at it's finest
L126[05:02:45] <Fluburtur> damn
L127[05:03:16] <taniwha> NeverCast: is
that a photo, or a painting? :)
L128[05:03:19] <NeverCast> Moon and stars
were a few seconds I think, and then about a minute for the
fields
L129[05:03:24] <taniwha> (iow, holy
cow)
L130[05:03:38] <NeverCast> Where's the
line? HDR is masking of photos right?
L133[05:06:50] <NeverCast> Hmm. I'm a fan
of that airflow
L134[05:07:07] <NeverCast> Question is, is
it still positive case pressure
L135[05:07:18] <Fluburtur> case presure
can only increase
L136[05:07:29] <Fluburtur> because no
exhaust
L137[05:07:54] <NeverCast> No I/O
shield
L138[05:07:57] <NeverCast> That's your
exhaust
L139[05:08:03] <Fluburtur> shhhh
L140[05:08:08] <NeverCast> More like
WOOOOSSSHHH
L141[05:08:20] <NeverCast> Or perhaps
REEEEEEEE
L142[05:08:46] <NeverCast> How difficult
is it to get from Mun to Minmus?
L143[05:08:54] <NeverCast> Can I time it
and just, hop on over?
L144[05:09:08] <Fluburtur> yes
L145[05:09:10] <NeverCast> Usually I don't
visit more than one place in a trip.
L147[05:11:35] <NeverCast> Christ!
L148[05:11:37] <NeverCast> Man I just saw
bodies
L149[05:11:46] <NeverCast> Shit loads of
bodies until my brain figured out what I was looking out
L150[05:11:48] <NeverCast> s/out/at
L151[05:12:31] <TheKosmonaut> NeverCast:
Please mind your language in this channel, as we try to follow the
same community guidelines as the forum site.
L152[05:13:07] <NeverCast> TheKosmonaut:
Yeah I was just reading the rules now actually, figured they might
be some restrictions here. Apologies.
L153[05:13:20] <TheKosmonaut> No
problem:)
L154[05:13:32] <taniwha> my thought was
"that outfit won't do much good if there's a cave-in)
L155[05:14:00] <NeverCast> She's got a
hard-hat and high-vis. Safe +1
L156[05:14:05] <TheKosmonaut> Just don't
do it again, lest you suffer the worst punishment of all. Death by
Rapid Unplanned Disassembly
L157[05:14:22] <taniwha> no
disassemble!!
L158[05:14:30] <NeverCast> #5
ALIVE!!
L159[05:15:01] <NeverCast> TheKosmonaut:
Rapid Unexplained De/parture
L160[05:15:19] <TheKosmonaut> Rapid
Planned Destruction
L161[05:15:38] <NeverCast> I call that
stage separation
L162[05:16:19] <NeverCast> Oooh nice,
monospaced lineup
L163[05:23:35] <NeverCast> I wish I had a
checklist for missions
L164[05:23:44] <NeverCast> Nothing like
getting half way through a transfer orbit and thinking
L165[05:23:47] <NeverCast> "Oh right.
batteries"
L166[05:28:48] <NeverCast> IRL rockets
don't typically coast and circularise. Is that because they've a
much lower TWR on ascent ?
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L170[05:50:01] <taniwha> NeverCast: no,
it's because they have to pile on an extra 5km/s
L171[05:51:09] <taniwha> getting to 200km
altitude above Earth is little different to getting to the same
above Kerbin
L172[05:51:20] <taniwha> it's staying
there that's the problem
L173[05:54:17] <NeverCast> Right. The
velocity required to sustain the orbit. Gotcha. So the burns are
just so much longer.
L174[05:54:20] <taniwha> (it /is/ cheaper
for Kerbin because of 9/16g (Kerbin) vs 1024/1089g (Earth))
L175[05:54:24] <taniwha> yeah
L176[05:54:48] <NeverCast> Euh. You could
have used decimals. I'd be okay with 3sf decimals :P
L177[05:54:57] <taniwha> had to work them
out :)
L178[05:55:07] <taniwha> 0.56 vs
0.94
L179[05:55:08] <NeverCast> Haha
fair.
L180[05:55:41] <NeverCast> Is there
anything like the old KSPTOT (Trajectory Optimization Tool). It
used to give pork-chop planning and advise on manuvers for an
entire mission before you left the launch pad
L181[05:55:51] <NeverCast> I miss the
security of having your mission spelled out for you
L182[05:55:57] <taniwha> no idea
L183[05:56:07] <Althego> there is some
tool that can do that still
L184[05:56:13] <Althego> maybe kerbal
alarm clock or mechjeb
L185[05:56:14] <taniwha> MJ does have
porkchop plots in it, though
L186[05:56:26] <taniwha> (I think it's
MJ)
L187[05:58:22] <NeverCast> It does!
L188[05:58:31] <NeverCast> Neat, I was not
aware of this addition that may or may not have always been
there
L189[05:58:56] <Althego> i think it has
been there for a long time now
L190[05:59:00] <Althego> but i dont use
it
L191[05:59:20] <Fluburtur> where did I put
my calliper
L192[06:00:39] <NeverCast> verfar
callipers ?
L193[06:01:27] <Fluburtur> the thing to
measure stuff precisely
L194[06:01:53] <NeverCast> It was wordplay
for vernier, but okay, don't give me the satisfaction :p
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L224[09:04:18] <ve2dmn> good morning
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L235[09:38:50] <kmath> YouTube - NASA
Examines Technology To Fold Aircraft Wings In Flight
L237[09:50:32] <Fluburtur> those anasa
guys are a whole bunch of nerds
L238[09:50:42] <Fluburtur> give me two
turbines and I could do the same
L239[09:50:56] <Althego> hehe
navball
L240[09:51:24] <Althego> but there was no
video on the launch
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L242[09:53:07] <Althego> i write the word
launch so much more more often, that lunch wrong to me
L243[09:53:44] <Althego> +looks
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L245[09:56:50] <Fluburtur> also I managed
to flip my canadair on water
L246[09:57:05] <Fluburtur> one motor
decided to stop on takeoff so it flipped over
L247[09:57:11] <Fluburtur> for no goddman
good reason
L248[09:57:30] <ve2dmn> so you flipped
your assets?
L249[09:59:04] <Althego> hehe like cars in
ksp used to behave
L250[09:59:11] <Althego> flip on ground
because of random
L252[10:03:27] <ve2dmn> ... really?
L253[10:03:43] <Fluburtur> apparently it's
in the first minute of light bridge
L255[10:04:02] <kmath> YouTube - Portal 2
Soundtrack - Light Bridge
L256[10:12:31] <ve2dmn> probably a few
'saw' waves at differente frequency
L257[10:12:55] <Fluburtur> sounds like
it
L258[10:13:04] <ve2dmn> Nice little easter
egg
L259[10:13:24] <Althego> probably square
wave or something
L261[10:15:15] <kmath> YouTube -
Oscilloscope Music Tutorial 2: Setup (Compression, DC-coupling,
Sampling Rate, Aliasing)
L262[10:15:15] <Fluburtur> wow
L263[10:16:21] <Althego> well, such
waveforms are really unnatural, mp3 is probably not optimized to
that
L264[10:17:13] <ve2dmn> mp3 is optimised
for voice if I remember correctly
L266[10:22:46] <ve2dmn> Quote:
"Brandenburg used Vega's a cappella version of "Tom's
Diner" to tune the compression system, playing the track
before and after compression was applied to tell whether MP3
sounded good enough. "
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L268[10:25:45] <Fluburtur> uh I need an
adapter to plug my scope into an audio source
L269[10:25:58] <Fluburtur> I doubt
anything on my phone would look nice however
L270[10:26:04] <Althego> hook the probe on
an audio jack
L271[10:26:16] <Fluburtur> I don't have
hook probes
L272[10:26:19] <Fluburtur> only
pointy
L273[10:26:35] <Fluburtur> one of them
looks like it could go into a breadboard but only one
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L279[11:02:15] <Draconiator> Werther in
KSP or Terraria, I'm on a building binge lately...heh
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L294[11:27:33] <ve2dmn> Ouch. FF12 got
release on steam and it's 67CAD instead of 50 USD
L295[11:28:48] <Althego> hehe
L296[11:29:00] <Althego> usually same
stuff happens with euros
L298[11:38:55] <ve2dmn> Euro is even
higher
L299[11:39:05] <ve2dmn> it's 49.99 Euro vs
49.99 USD...
L300[11:39:28] <Althego> supposedly
american prices usually dont include taxes, but i wont know since i
never went there even once
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L302[11:41:29] <ve2dmn> 49.99+tx,
yes
L303[11:42:41] <ve2dmn> Prices in North
America don't include sales taxes, but usually includes all other
taxes
L304[11:44:28] <Iskierka> after it decided
to trash its save at least halfway through on PS2 I have no
interest in FF12
L305[11:44:32] <Iskierka> (pretty much
killed the rest too)
L306[11:45:04] <ve2dmn> sad. I liked that
game.
L307[11:45:23] <Iskierka> star wars with
bunny girls
L308[11:45:39] <ve2dmn> pretty much
L309[11:45:54] <ve2dmn> and Moggle. Don't
forget the moogles
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L311[11:46:37] <ve2dmn> But I barely
finished any Final Fantasy after Final Fantasy 9.
L312[11:47:11] <ve2dmn> X was not bad,
but... meh.
L313[11:47:20] <ve2dmn> X-2 was... just
no.
L314[11:47:56] <ve2dmn> And I never
finished 13, because it felt too much like " a Corridor where
you press X to win"
L315[11:50:07] <ve2dmn> 12 was the only
one that I was missing.
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L317[11:53:24] <Althego> lol, there is an
actual printed lolcat bible
L318[11:54:57] <ve2dmn> Iskierka: btw,
this is the 'new' PS4 edition
L319[11:58:42] <Iskierka> If it's not PS1
era graphics I'm not that bothered so a new version doesn't really
change anything :P
L320[11:59:10] <Iskierka> I still have the
disc and a working PS2, (though may need to improvise save cards),
but don't care to play it
L321[12:00:50] <ve2dmn> My first console
was a Wii.
L322[12:01:01] <ve2dmn> It was forbidden
in my house growing up.
L323[12:01:15] <ve2dmn> So I played most
of these games with friends.
L324[12:02:53] <ve2dmn> it's hard to
finish a game at the rate of 5h/week
L325[12:11:00] <Kalpa> We're playing an
EU4 multiplayer campaign at a rate of 12h / week, three 4 hour
sessions
L326[12:14:20] <Althego> the forbidden
console, would make a nice title
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L328[12:27:42] <ve2dmn> Kalpa: I played a
long-game of freeciv: 1 turn per day
L329[12:29:55] <Althego> hehe
L330[12:29:57] <Kalpa> So, how many years
did that last?
L331[12:30:06] <Althego> patience
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L334[12:38:41] <ve2dmn> Kalpa: about
4-5weeks? The thing to note is that the game advances if all
players have played their turn. So the first 200 turns or so took a
few hours
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L336[12:39:33] <Kalpa> So it wasn't 1 turn
per day then
L337[12:40:47] <ve2dmn> it was 'max time
per turn: 24h'
L338[12:41:17] <ve2dmn> But then stuff
happened and the finals took away our free time
L339[12:42:50] <ve2dmn> I also tried a
Multiplayer game of Stellaris... It was too fast for me
L340[12:43:00] <ve2dmn> I like to pause
the game and make decisions
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L347[13:27:41] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: I posted
the reddit link
L348[13:27:48] <Mathuin> Ah
L349[13:27:54] <ve2dmn> And, yes it is
pleasing
L350[13:27:57] <Mathuin> I scrolled back
but not far enough.
L353[13:29:01] <Mathuin> Aww!
L354[13:29:11] <Mathuin> I'm surprised
that's not a KSP flag, actually.
L355[13:29:27] <ve2dmn> just the
potato?
L356[13:29:30] <ve2dmn> hum....
L357[13:29:34] <Mathuin> Possibly with YOU
CAN DO THE THING
L358[13:29:41] <Mathuin> but yes, a potato
focus
L359[13:30:09] <ve2dmn> This call for a
case of Paint.net
L360[13:30:20] <ve2dmn> (or gimp)
L361[13:31:25] <Mathuin> I've made two
flags, both from other people's artwork. For one I was able to get
the artist's permission so it's in CrowdSourcedFlags. The other I'm
still waiting ... for two years now.
L362[13:31:32] <Mathuin> I'm using the
other in my personal missions.
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L364[13:33:20] <ve2dmn> I have a few flags
installed, but I almost always use the stock ones...
L365[13:36:11] <Mathuin> Now I can't find
the source image on this wiki, it might be the wrong wiki,
sigh.
L366[13:36:56] <Mathuin> No, I had the
right place, the icons just aren't there anymore.
L367[13:37:09] <ve2dmn> :(
L369[13:38:00] <Mathuin> And in the text
you can see that I improved from the sigil.
L370[13:38:58] <ve2dmn> I sea
L371[13:39:58] <Mathuin> Of course you
can't see them when I look at the page :-)
L372[13:41:41] <Mathuin> (Sorry, the
KerbalX page where my screenshots of my vessels are kept)
L374[13:45:48] <Fluburtur> that
title
L375[13:46:08] <Mathuin> that
website
L376[13:47:59] <ve2dmn> That title does
not make me want to read the article
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L378[13:54:01] <Mathuin> Turns out I
emailed them in June 2017. I wish there was some kind of "I
tried for two years but nobody answered so PUBLIC
DOMAIN"
L379[13:54:36] <ve2dmn> Welcome to the
world of Orphan works
L380[13:55:20] <ve2dmn> It used to be 20
years and opt-in renew. Now it's life+50 years with
auto-renew
L381[13:55:46] <Mathuin> Which is fine for
a novel, but IDK about a stupid image thrown up on a website.
L382[13:56:28] <ve2dmn> The first
Steamboat Mickey was actually a copy of a previous work from 20
years earlier
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L386[14:01:50] <ve2dmn> but, yeah.
Copyright was made for a different time. A time before meme.
L387[14:06:18] <Althego> actually
copyright ment the opposite what it means now
L388[14:06:24] <Althego> it meant what the
word suggests
L389[14:06:36] <Althego> right to copy
your own work, whatenever happened to them
L390[14:06:48] <Althego> now it is a right
to withold people to copy your work
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L392[14:17:46] <EricPoehlsen> Copyright
was a good idea that got perverted into the crap it is today
L393[14:18:35] <ve2dmn> *sigh*
exactly
L395[14:20:47] <ve2dmn> I just got my
email from Patreon saying I just sent him 1USD -_-
L396[14:21:14] <EricPoehlsen> The Idea of
protecting the authors / creatives from ripoff and copycats is ok
but it should be limited
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L398[14:22:05] <ve2dmn> EricPoehlsen: the
extention to Life+X years used to be opt-in
L399[14:22:32] <EricPoehlsen> something
like 20/25 years commercial protection - and attributed
noncommercial fair use
L400[14:22:47] <ve2dmn> It was a symbolic
fee, and not a lot of opt-in was done
L401[14:23:59] <EricPoehlsen> The law here
in Germany "Urheberrecht" (Creators Rights) automatically
give you "till your death + 70 years"
L402[14:24:34] <ve2dmn> Anyway, Lawrence
Lessig has a nice book on the history of Copyright in the UK (where
it originated) and the US
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L405[14:30:12] <Althego> that is all eu
law
L406[14:30:16] <Althego> the death plus
70
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L408[14:30:33] <ve2dmn> Which is a copy of
the US law, if I'm not mistaken
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L410[14:30:49] <Althego> the us law is
always extended to keep mickey mouse protected :)
L411[14:30:57] <Althego> so no, it is
not
L412[14:31:16] <Althego> current end of
mickey mouse copyright is 2019 i think
L413[14:31:59] <ve2dmn> It's ok, they
trademarked everything a few years ago. That never expires
L414[14:36:19] <Althego> heh there is a
fictional hungarian settlements wikipedia page
L415[14:36:25] <Althego> quite long
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Bring Your Kids To Work Day. This year, it's 4/20.
L422[15:01:23] <darsie> With the fairing
as root part my rocket has more drag or so.
L423[15:01:39] <Althego> isnt that the
birthday of hitler? :)
L424[15:02:02] <Mathuin> Among other
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darsie has 95% reputation.
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L446[16:20:01] <Mathuin> What happens at
100%
L447[16:21:49] <ve2dmn> There is no 100%.
There is only Zuul
L448[16:23:47] <Mathuin> I said that
earlier. :-)
L449[16:29:18] <Supercheese> Oh man, I
haven't played KSP in a while, but the shiny, shiny new SSPR by
Nertea... whooboy that looks great
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L451[16:30:58] <Supercheese> that Mercury
centrifuge
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L453[16:32:30] <Supercheese> unf
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L456[16:34:55] <darsie> Mathuin:
Reputation rises exponentially, like a capacitor charges through a
resistor.
L457[16:35:12] <Mathuin> exponentially or
asymtotically?
L458[16:35:16] <darsie> both
L459[16:35:20] <Mathuin> Hmm
L460[16:35:27] <Mathuin> I had a professor
that graded that way.
L461[16:35:33] <Mathuin> 99, 99.9, 99.99,
etc
L462[16:35:36] <Mathuin> Jerk. :-)
L463[16:35:44] <darsie> 1-e^-(k*r)
L464[16:36:42] <darsie> r=real reputation,
result goes asymptotically towards 1000.
L465[16:37:02] <darsie>
1000*(1-e^(-k*r))
L466[16:37:19] <Mathuin> On the bright
side, that puts an effective negative cap on as well, right?
L467[16:37:35] <Mathuin> I'm a reverter
and I never intentionally reject contracts.
L468[16:37:39] <Mathuin> So I don't think
I've ever gone down.
L469[16:38:48] <darsie> This formula would
give you negative rep. Dunno how the game handles it.
L470[16:39:30] <darsie> I upgraded my
buildings with advances and then cancelled the contracts. Cash
doesn't go negative.
L471[16:40:06] <Mathuin> There's a
tweakable/difficulty thing that lets funds go negative.
L472[16:40:11] <Mathuin> It might let rep
or science too, IDK
L473[16:40:27] <darsie> negative science?
Hmm ...
L474[16:44:14] <darsie> Like emigration of
smart people from a bad country?
L475[16:44:23] <Mathuin> Or like Bob
hitting his head on the way out the door?
L476[16:44:42] <darsie> I never used
Bob.
L477[16:45:01] <oren> where do you read
the actual numeric value of reputation
L478[16:45:04] <darsie> Scientists rescued
from orbit had at least 1 star.
L479[16:45:18] <darsie> oren: At the
summary after a mission.
L480[16:45:19] <Mathuin> Ah, I do unmanned
before manned, and a lot of KSC science. Bob and Jeb are my go-to
guys for ground work.
L481[16:45:26] <oren> oh ok
L482[16:45:30] <Mathuin> Val's always the
one who leaves the ground first.
L483[16:45:35] <darsie> oren: When a ship
lands at Kerbin.
L484[16:45:47] <darsie> oren: Can be just
a pod with jeb at the launch pad.
L485[16:46:09] <oren> darsie: yeah I
haven't had that happen in a while since I build all ships out of
mun ore these days
L486[16:46:32] <oren> soon it will be
"ike ore"
L487[16:46:39] <darsie> oren: That's a
mod, right?
L488[16:46:51] <oren> darsie: yeah I use
simpleConstruction
L489[16:47:01] <Mathuin> Does the Mun get
smaller when you use its ore? Does the orbit change?
L490[16:47:26] <darsie> Principia can
change orbits of planets/moons.
L491[16:47:38] <oren> Ore ==isru=>
Metal ==SciLab=> rocketparts
L492[16:47:40] <darsie> Dunno if it does
when you crash/land/thrust.
L493[16:49:01] <Mathuin> I think that with
the exception of asteroids the math is such that the results are
insignificant.
L494[16:50:08] <darsie> Until we have self
replicating machines.
L495[16:50:41] <Mathuin> Grey goo,
mmm
L496[16:51:11] <darsie> Dunno if grey goo
could get matter off the Mun.
L497[16:51:20] <oren> alhough soon I need
to launch more kerbals because I need 6 kerbals to stay at
Duna
L498[16:51:36] <darsie> oren: I have about
100 Kerbals.
L499[16:51:42] <darsie> Want some?
:)
L500[16:52:02] <oren> becuase then we will
have remotetech control point at duna and won't have to deal with
control lag
L501[16:53:48] <darsie> How do you deal
with control lag before that? A pilot? Or program thrust and chutes
at a certain altitude?
L502[16:54:22] <Mathuin> Programmed
behavior in kOS
L503[16:54:35] <Mathuin> Let the sensors
and the microprocessor on station do the math and make the
call.
L504[16:55:33] <oren> yeah
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L509[17:18:09] <Raazeer> That palette
thing, is that real or vaporware?
L510[17:19:45] <Raazeer> so far all I've
been able to find out is that they have an attrocious
website.
L511[17:23:57] <Fluburtur> I found a power
resistor
L512[17:24:11] <Fluburtur> so I should be
able to get my flyback transfo working
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L514[17:28:26] <ve2dmn> platte^
L515[17:28:34] <ve2dmn> palatte?
L516[17:28:40] <ve2dmn> palette?
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L518[17:28:57] <ve2dmn> ... I clearly need
my bed soon
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L524[18:05:06] <Raazeer> ve2dmn, never
mind, found it.
L525[18:05:58] <Raazeer> ve2dmn, but that
too is an atrocious website, yes :)
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L527[18:07:26] <dlrkdesktop> Here's kinda
of a silly question
L528[18:08:04] <dlrkdesktop> From like an
RP perspective, is there any sense in following up a low-kerbin
orbit station with a high orbit station and stations around the Mun
and Minmus?
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L530[18:12:58] <darsie> I refuelled my Eve
sample return rocket an LKO, Gilly and Eve.
L531[18:13:06] <darsie> at*
L533[18:14:03] <UmbralRaptor> dlrkdesktop:
No, yes, and yes, I think.
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L535[18:14:51] <UmbralRaptor> High Kerbin
orbit seems more suited to a robotic telescope?
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L540[18:28:48] <Mathuin> I thought Kerbol
orbit was where telescopes wanted to go
L541[18:32:17] <oren> High Kerbin orbit is
pretty useless, Inter-Lunar Orbit (only possible in Kerbin, not
Earth) is kinda useful sometimes
L542[18:34:50] <Mathuin> "inter-lunar
orbit" makes me think of some kind of shuttle between Mun and
Minmus
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L544[18:37:01] <oren> Mathuin: yeah
imagine a station in an orbit above Mun but below Minmus
L545[18:52:26] <Draconiator> I don't
hardly touch Mun at all in my game. I just sent a small probe
there, but that's it.
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L547[18:54:44] <Mathuin> Hrm, now I'm
wondering if commnet could be enhanced by a small constellation in
that area.
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L551[19:01:14] <Fluburtur> I have an
electrics problem if anyone here knows about that
L552[19:01:20] <Fluburtur> flyback transfo
to be exact
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L557[19:11:30] <Pakaran> Electrics is a
mod?
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L561[19:15:30] <Pakaran> Draconiator, I'm
debating whether to start dinking with planes, or get into polar
Mun orbit to harvest science.
L562[19:15:31] <Fluburtur> no
L563[19:15:35] <Fluburtur> real
electricity
L564[19:16:01] <Pakaran> ah
L565[19:16:19] <Pakaran> I just looked it
up and learned that SpaceX is aiming for a reusable *second*
stage
L566[19:16:29] <Fluburtur> fairings
too
L567[19:16:39] <Pakaran> which seems
amazing. though I know Scott Manley did a reusable program
L568[19:17:25] <Pakaran> I have 47 hours
played. I could definitely do recoverable boosters in stock, with
chutes.
L569[19:17:37] <taniwha> Scott Manley's
reusable program relied on KSP 0.19
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L571[19:18:26] <Pakaran> How do you keep
the fairings from burning up?
L572[19:18:31] <taniwha> Pakaran: if you
want impressive reusability in KSP, check out TAPE Gaming's Road to
Exploration and Road to Colonization
L574[19:18:47] <taniwha> (KSP 1.1
iirc)
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L576[19:19:18] <Pakaran> thanks, I'll look
that up.
L577[19:19:39] <Pakaran> I wonder...
L579[19:19:41] <kmath> YouTube - Road To
Exploration #1, Kerbal Space Program
L581[19:19:59] <kmath> YouTube - Road To
Colonisation #1 - Odin Station - Kerbal Space Program
L582[19:19:59] <Pakaran> I actually DO
have a whole lot of tiny size parts from parts mods.
L583[19:20:05] <Pakaran> I could make
liquid fueled boosters.
L584[19:20:15] <Pakaran> Trying to land a
pair of them, while ascending the main craft, though...
L585[19:20:35] <taniwha> Watch how TAPE
does it
L586[19:20:58] <Pakaran> thanks.
L587[19:21:21] <taniwha> if nothing else,
it should be fairly inspiring
L588[19:21:29] <Pakaran> nod
L589[19:21:38] <taniwha> and one
impressive thing, two series, and not one kerbal death
L590[19:21:42] <Pakaran> well, I have a
bad cold
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L592[19:21:51] <Pakaran> so amusement is
good
L593[19:21:55] <Pakaran> inspiration is
also good
L594[19:21:57] <taniwha> yeah
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L596[19:22:14] <Pakaran> not one kerbal
death.
L597[19:22:20] <Pakaran> I have...
L598[19:22:21] <taniwha> oh, and if you
need just raw amusement, check out his fighter jet showdowns
:)
L599[19:22:52] <Pakaran> I actually felt
bad last night saying I reverted for FAR disassemblies at 1 kps,
etc, but "not in situations that would cause loss of
life".
L600[19:23:00] <Pakaran> when that's
pretty much exactly what happened to challenger.
L601[19:23:11] <Pakaran> I mean, it wasn't
hitting yaw too hard, it was an engineering issue, but.
L602[19:23:35] <taniwha> I revert all the
time due to FAR :P
L603[19:24:12] <Pakaran> ah
L604[19:24:21] <Pakaran> I did learn from
the forums about caps lock.
L605[19:24:31] <Pakaran> I wonder if
that's part of the problem.
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L607[19:24:51] <Pakaran> I don't know if 1
kps is stock max-Q, but it's definitely a situation that can be
like driving on ice.
L608[19:25:19] <Pakaran> Now, skiing on
ice, I've probably personally done close to 2 G in a hard skid
turn.
L609[19:25:25] <taniwha> main things for
FAR are 1) get your rocket as stable as you can (but realize you
will rarely get it fully stable), 2) turn down the deflection on
the fins
L610[19:25:41] <Pakaran> Thanks. So what's
the role of the caps lock?
L611[19:26:11] <taniwha> it makes the
control inputs have a slower response curve to keyboard input
L612[19:26:18] <taniwha> (but only on
press)
L613[19:26:32] <Pakaran> So a joystick
from walmart would solve that problem too?
L614[19:26:46] <taniwha> makes it easier
to do pulse width modulation of your controls
L615[19:26:52] <taniwha> yeah
L616[19:27:03] <taniwha> though from
walmart...
L617[19:27:08] <Pakaran> I'm also going to
do sandbox testing.
L618[19:27:27] <Pakaran> yeah, I
know.
L619[19:27:37] <Pakaran> I mean, I'd shop
around, and not just walmart.
L620[19:27:44] <taniwha> ah, ok
L621[19:27:47] <Pakaran> I get mice there,
but they're commodity. It was rhetorical.
L622[19:28:02] <taniwha> but yeah, a
decent joystick makes a world of difference, especially for
planes
L623[19:28:07] <Pakaran> My current mouse
works on basically any surface.
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L625[19:28:13] <taniwha> I haven't quite
gotten so I can use one with rockets
L626[19:28:29] <Pakaran> I've also thought
about practicing in a flight simulator
L627[19:28:35] <taniwha> sounds like your
mouse uses dark field microscopy
L628[19:28:43] <Pakaran> even google earth
or something, and I have quite a few I got on...
L629[19:28:47] <Pakaran> it uses
bluesomething
L630[19:28:48] <taniwha> KSP /is/ a flight
simulator :)
L631[19:28:50] <Pakaran> not bluetooth,
but
L632[19:29:04] <taniwha> (well, KSP +
FAR)
L633[19:29:19] <Pakaran> I'll look it
up.
L634[19:29:20] <taniwha> not a perfect
one, but plenty good enough
L635[19:29:27] <Pakaran> I also have quite
a few flight simulators
L636[19:29:55] <Pakaran> that I got with
publisher sales etc
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L638[19:31:14] <Pakaran> but yeah
L639[19:31:44] <Pakaran> regarding FAR,
would thrust vectoring engines on the boosters be useful?
L640[19:32:12] <Pakaran> In stratosphere,
I found the swivel invaluable as a first stage for that reason,
with or without fins.
L641[19:32:23] <taniwha> very useful
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L643[19:32:39] <taniwha> in fact, FAR
boosts gimbal range
L644[19:44:32] <Pakaran> I'm starting a
sandbox game to test some stuffs...
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L646[19:50:08] <lordcirth> Well, I managed
to screw up this rescue oppositely to the usual way (Jeb sneaking
aboard). I quickloaded and forgot to transfer the rescuee again.
Wondered why there was no completion when I recovered. XD
L647[19:54:30] <Pakaran> ouch
L648[20:00:12] <dlrkdesktop> So, from an
RP perspective, a high-Kerbin orbit station doesn't make sense, but
Mun nad Minmus does?
L649[20:02:09] <Pakaran> Hmm.
L650[20:02:59] <Pakaran> High orbit,
depending which orbit, the Van Allen belts are a concern.
L651[20:07:38] <dlrkdesktop> I was
thinking like 1,000,000
L652[20:07:41] <dlrkdesktop> km
L653[20:10:46] <Pakaran> hmm
L654[20:16:16] <UmbralRaptor> Uh
L655[20:17:35] <UmbralRaptor> Kerbin's SOI
is only ~82,000 km.
L656[20:20:06] <dlrkdesktop> I meant 1,000
km
L657[20:20:11] <dlrkdesktop> Got my units
mixed up
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L659[20:27:55] <dlrkdesktop> Generally
though, any thoughts on the realisticness of following up a low
orbit station with a second kerbin orbit station and mun and minmus
stations?
L660[20:29:18] <UmbralRaptor> In general
reasonable. Especially if the second kerbin station uses lessons
learned from the first (monolithic ? orbital assembly?)
L661[20:30:05] <dlrkdesktop> both orbital
assembly, but the second will be assembled a bit more efficiently
and be capable of longer duration stays
L662[20:30:23] <dlrkdesktop> (and uses new
parts)
L663[20:37:18] <UmbralRaptor> fair
enough
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L667[20:44:27] <dlrkdesktop> though I do
wonder whehter kerbin, mun and minmus orbit stations would be
redundant
L668[20:44:28] <dlrkdesktop>
thoughts?
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