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L11[00:34:33] <Gasher[work]> damn, le Guin
died
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L14[00:37:26] <JCB> oh... scifi-fantasy
writer..
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L16[00:38:21] <Gasher[work]> Earthsea
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L19[00:39:57] <JCB> ah right.. though I
sorta seen just one of the tv episodes.
L20[00:41:32] <JCB> I find it a little sad,
so many novels out there, no idea where to start
L21[00:42:36] <Gasher[work]> start with the
first one - the wizard of earthsea
L22[00:42:49] <Gasher[work]> as for sci-fi,
no i don't know where to start
L23[00:43:17] <JCB> I could read a lot but
then I'd never have time for stuff.. socialness..
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L25[01:18:03] <Althego> nightmare of the
fandom: author existence failure
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L27[01:19:04] <Gasher[work]> perks of dead
author: now you can collect all of the novels
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L29[01:21:32] <Althego> hehe
L30[01:21:42] <Althego> achievement
unlocked
L31[01:21:45] <Althego> actualyl you
cant
L32[01:22:03] <Althego> because if they are
famous, somebody will find a half finished book and complete it and
publish it
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L35[01:30:00] <Supercheese> yeah, just look
at Tolkien
L36[01:30:29] <Supercheese> or the sheer
volume of brand new books that have TOM CLANCY plastered all
over
L37[01:32:20] <Gasher[work]> it's easy - i
call those non-canon
L38[01:35:46] <Althego> also happened to
frank herbert
L39[01:36:20] <Gasher[work]> i have almost
broke the rule of no swearing here just now Althego
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L44[02:29:43] <taniwha> I wasn't aware le
Guin was still alive
L45[02:31:17] <taniwha> (I read Earthsea
back in the late 80's and it was already "old" then, so I
assumed she was old)
L46[02:32:09] <Gasher[work]> taniwha, makes
me want to check who of the authors are still alive
L47[02:32:45] <Gasher[work]> ellison is
lol
L48[02:32:56] <taniwha> it appears C J
Cherryh is still alive
L49[02:34:17] <Gasher[work]> moorcock
is
L50[02:35:13] <taniwha> It appears H M
Hoover is still alive
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L86[05:52:34] <Deddly> Fluburtur, I had a
thought yesterday...
L87[05:52:58] <Fluburtur> tell me
L88[05:52:59] <Deddly> Fluburtur, you know
how vertical winglets on the edge of wings increase their
performance?
L89[05:53:04] <Fluburtur> yeah
L90[05:53:27] <Deddly> Would something
similar also work on propeller blades?
L92[05:53:47] <kmath> YouTube -
Unbelieva-bubble penguin enrichment at RZSS Edinburgh Zoo
L93[05:53:47] <Gasher[work]> its called
impeller?
L94[05:53:53] <Fluburtur> planes not sure,
but some helis have some sort of winglets on the tip of the
blade
L96[05:54:13] <Deddly> Gasher[work], an
impeller is a very different thing, isn't it?
L97[05:54:22] <Fluburtur> but those are
mainly there to reduce sound*
L98[05:54:49] <Gasher[work]> Deddly, i
mean, the idea is similar - stop that overflow effect
L99[05:55:48] <Gasher[work]> some
helicopters use it as the control propeller
L100[05:57:36] <Fluburtur> I forgot why I
ordered two new receivers for a moment
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L102[06:07:12] <Deddly> And why DID you
order two new receivers?
L103[06:08:00] <Gasher[work]> Deddly, i
might be mistaken in how they are named but it's just a propeller
and a ring around it. Is that an impeller? Or rather, can that be
called an impeller?
L104[06:08:35] <Deddly> Gasher[work], hmm,
sounds like a ducted fan
L106[06:08:49] <Gasher[work]> yes
right
L107[06:09:00] <Gasher[work]> i was
talking about ducted fans
L109[06:10:09] <Gasher[work]> they are
called 'impellers' in RC planes here
L110[06:10:57] <Deddly> Interesting
L112[06:15:23] <Fluburtur> heh
L113[06:16:11] <Althego> hehehe
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L117[06:23:12] <Deddly> Interesting
stuff
L118[06:23:26] <Deddly> Does anyone know
if winglets work in KSP+FAR?
L119[06:23:55] <Fluburtur> they look
nice
L120[06:24:02] <Fluburtur> it's all that
matters
L121[06:27:17] <Deddly> Spoken like a true
KSP player
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L123[06:33:28] <Gasher[work]> Deddly, if
you have FAR use its instruments to evaluate :)
L124[06:34:23] <Deddly> I don't have
FAR
L125[06:34:57] <Gasher[work]> then install
it
L126[06:35:11] <Althego> i doubt they have
the desired effect without far
L127[06:35:19] <Althego> and even far
doesnt simulate everything
L128[06:35:20] <Deddly> I think one day I
will, but I'm still running stock
L129[06:35:37] <Gasher[work]> it's funnier
with far i'd say
L130[06:35:41] <Deddly> They definitely
don't work as they should in stock
L131[06:37:25] <Deddly> Gasher[work], I'm
sure you're right, but I'm a light player and I don't want to have
the hassle of keeping mods updated
L132[06:37:51] <Althego> i am kind of
afraid of far
L133[06:38:07] <Althego> i have enough
problems with aircraft in stock already
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L136[06:44:39] <TheKosmonaut> Flying stock
in my experience is harder.
L137[06:44:47] <Althego> hehe
L138[06:45:07] <Althego> in a way it may
be, because i constantly struggle that the aircraft fly well, when
they dont look like a real one
L139[06:45:31] <Althego> it is very hard
to have a realistic looking and good plane
L140[06:49:03] <APlayer> What are you
comparing to?
L141[06:52:37] <Althego> memory
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L143[06:58:53] <Fluburtur> time to change
the motors of my canadair
L144[07:00:18] <Truga> FAR has some very
nice aerodynamic quirks from real life you can abuse
L145[07:00:23] <Truga> also allows easier
flaps/spoilers
L146[07:05:35] <ve2dmn> Stupid power
outage
L147[07:05:39] <ve2dmn> Good morning
L148[07:07:15] <Gasher[work]> power
outrage
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L150[07:17:21] <darsie> Should I rescue
Sugar or Lemmon from orbit of Kerbin?
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L162[08:03:21] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy!
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L164[08:04:48] <Fluburtur> yo
L165[08:05:07] <Fluburtur> I was thinking,
the rocket engine I want to make for the plane could be used for
your rocket project
L166[08:06:20] <Althego> jamie wants big
boom
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L170[08:18:53] <madmerlyn> mornin
L171[08:18:59] <BadRocketsCo> Fluburtur:
that would be nice
L172[08:19:07] <BadRocketsCo> Hold up,
changing networks
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L175[08:21:59] <BadRocketsCo> Aaand
back
L176[08:22:30] <Fluburtur> I don't know
how much thrust the engine will be able to generate
L177[08:22:37] <Fluburtur> but with some
chance it can power a rocket
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L179[08:34:25] <madmerlyn> Toys R Us
closing 120 stores, I'm shocked the one in my town isn't on the
list
L180[08:35:04] <madmerlyn> Toys R Us is a
victim of Wal-Mart, Gamestop, and online shopping all diminishing
their customer base
L181[08:35:25] <Fluburtur> alright I
changed the receiver and motors of my canadair
L182[08:35:34] <Fluburtur> so it should be
fully operational now
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L184[08:40:44] <sandbox> it must be
embarassing to be a victim of gamestop
L185[08:41:12] <madmerlyn> well
pre-Gamestop, Toys R Us was the place to go to get your vidya
games
L186[08:41:37] <madmerlyn> my dad drove
1.5 hours to a Toys R Us to find a Sega Genesis for Christmas of 92
:P
L187[08:42:11] <madmerlyn> EB (which I
believe was acquired by gamestop) also had games, but they were
more PC oriented
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L190[08:44:14] <madmerlyn> so I played KSP
for the first time in over a week yesterday, my latest career just
put its first kerbal in orbit
L191[08:44:29] <madmerlyn> Val was the
first kerbal in space, Jeb was the first to successfully
orbit
L192[08:44:49] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: who was
the first fatality?
L193[08:44:58] <madmerlyn> I don't have
fatalities
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L195[08:45:10] <madmerlyn> I haven't
killed a kerbal since like 1.1.2
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L197[08:46:07] <ve2dmn> Even to game
bugs?
L198[08:47:02] <ve2dmn> btw, we have EA
and EB... any 'EC' gaming related company around?
L199[08:47:11] <Draconiator> Jebediah is
usually the first to go when I make a new game....grrrr, he always
sneaks into a pod when I'm not looking.
L200[08:52:16] <JCB> you could just stick
him into a pod and 'abandon' him outside somewhere
L201[08:52:41] <JCB> kind of like a
'display case' :)
L202[08:53:30] <madmerlyn> game
bugs?
L203[08:54:52] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: AKA,
the kraken
L204[08:54:55] <madmerlyn> I mean I do use
quicksaves for when I know I'm going to do something buggy like KAS
construction etc.
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L206[08:55:14] <madmerlyn> I don't really
have krakens though, I strut responsibly
L207[08:55:15] <ve2dmn> fair enough.
L208[08:55:24] <JCB> I'm sort of bad...
don't use saves at all..
L209[08:56:01] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: The
Kraken has been tamed ever since I used auto-structs...
L210[08:56:09] <JCB> I guess partly
because out of sight out of mind
L211[08:56:12] <madmerlyn> yes I use
autostruts on everything
L212[08:56:23] <ve2dmn> ...although the
Konstruction Ports have the power of Kraken invokation
L213[08:56:47] <ve2dmn> (But that is in
the documentation anyway
L214[08:56:48] <ve2dmn> )
L215[08:59:37] <ve2dmn> Toys R US trending
on twitter
L216[09:01:05] <madmerlyn> 180 stores
closing
L217[09:01:26] <madmerlyn> konstruction
ports as long as you don't do "compress and rotate" are
fine
L218[09:01:32] <madmerlyn> let them rotate
themselves prior
L219[09:02:06] <madmerlyn> although if you
have a particularly heavy part that maybe still managed to offset
its rotation a couple degrees when docking compress and rotate
*might* be ok
L220[09:02:48] <ve2dmn> link on that store
closing news story? It's not covered locally
L221[09:02:52] <JCB> ya.. someone on our
IM group thing sent out an alert too on that
L222[09:03:14] <JCB> but is it just in the
US?
L223[09:03:30] <ve2dmn> JCB: no clue...
that's what I'm trying to figure out
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L226[09:04:20] <ve2dmn> Because the
liquidators are never making real 'deals'.
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L228[09:04:43] <madmerlyn> pretty sure the
closures are all US only though
L229[09:04:59] <JCB> ok just US
stores...
L230[09:05:30] <JCB> though... sears also
having gone out of the way, some articles coming out about malls
showing concerns of major retailers disappearing now too
L231[09:05:43] <ve2dmn> Dead malls
L232[09:08:21] <JCB> There's also talk
about Safeway shuting down over here
L233[09:08:41] <madmerlyn> Amazon should
put their stores in all the vacant Sears
L234[09:08:49] <madmerlyn> I would love to
go physically shop at an Amazon store
L235[09:09:33] <Deddly> It's all part of
the Shoe-event Horizon
L236[09:09:39] <madmerlyn> would also
possibly let them leverage some savings by offering ship to store
option, could give a slight discount for prime members that's less
than shipping would've cost
L237[09:09:46] <ve2dmn> Deddly:
Already?
L238[09:09:56] <Deddly> ve2dmn, it's
happening!
L240[09:10:15] <ve2dmn> ... that's it, I'm
heading to Mars on the next flight.
L241[09:10:19] <madmerlyn> flub that'll
end well
L244[09:10:38] <Fluburtur> surprisingly
they didn't all die
L245[09:11:06] <JCB> speaking of amazon
stores...
L247[09:12:11] <ve2dmn> I never ordered
anything on Amazon. Too much a pain to pickup the package
L248[09:12:33] <JCB> while cashiers have
been elimated, the staff's time got reallocated to other duties,
such as helping customers... food prep, other things
L249[09:12:52] <Truga> yeah, they fired
the cashiers
L250[09:12:58] <Truga> (those other people
have always been there)
L251[09:13:17] <Truga> not in that
particular store, but you know what I mean :p
L252[09:14:06] <JCB> the store itself
never has cashiers to begin with
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L254[09:14:38] <ve2dmn> Deddly: Do you
think there's still enough lemon-sented hand cleaners for the next
flight to take off?
L255[09:14:52] <JCB> mind you, having one
staff to watch over a dozen self serve checkouts... seems a little
underhanded
L256[09:15:40] <madmerlyn> to be fair
cashiers are low paying jobs that more and more don't even need
basic counting skills since cash transactions are decreasing, and
ideally would be replaced by kiosks and automation
L257[09:16:15] <Deddly> ve2dmn, I'm not
sure, but the flight hasn't left yet, so you probably have time to
get on board ;)
L258[09:16:21] <madmerlyn> I'd rather
there be more customer service oriented positions at a store and no
cashiers
L259[09:16:33] <Truga> yeah they already
are, the place I buy my groceries for has 1 traditional cashier for
old people who are afraid of the automated ones
L260[09:16:36] <JCB> I was thinking more
along the lines, you picked up your own food and stuff, here, why
don't /you/ do the cashing out too while your at it? Mean while,
we'll just toss 11 cahsiers out the door just so we can make more
money
L261[09:16:41] <madmerlyn> everyone hates
asking someone in a blue vest where X item is only to be told
"I don't know"
L262[09:16:50] <Truga> and for people with
large shopping list
L263[09:17:04] <Truga> everyone else just
uses the self serve ones, and they're monitored by 1 staff
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L265[09:17:51] <ve2dmn> Truga: that's
interesting. I have seen the reverse: 4 self-checkout with 6-10
traditionnal checkouts
L266[09:17:57] <madmerlyn> self checkout
even with a large cart isn't difficult, the newer designs have a
hand scanner so you can scan the stuff right in the cart
L267[09:18:08] <JCB> ya but it is done so
the store can just stay afloat, or was it someone's crazy idea to
help them make more profit for the sake of making more
profit?
L268[09:18:16] <madmerlyn> plus WalMart is
even working on having it where you scan as you shop so you don't
have to do anything at checkout
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L270[09:18:22] <Truga> me too, but this
particular shop got redesigned recently and while they still have 4
traditional belts, I've only seen a max of two operating at the
same time
L271[09:18:26] <Truga> and that was during
the rush hour
L272[09:18:48] <madmerlyn> self checkouts
are the product of one of the biggest complaints customers have
had, standing in a long line after shopping
L273[09:18:55] <Truga> yep
L274[09:18:58] <JCB> at the amazon store,
don't even need a wallet.. but you do need smart phone and
ap..
L275[09:19:02] <ve2dmn> Truga: I guess my
area is has too many old people.
L276[09:19:03] <madmerlyn> it's not that
walmart wanted to can their cashiers, because they are in fact one
of their lowest paid positions
L277[09:19:13] <Truga> haha
L278[09:19:20] <madmerlyn> it's that their
customers constantly gave feedback about not liking being in line
for 10 minutes after shopping for an hour
L279[09:19:23] <JCB> does make me a little
worried that everything's being all tied into one object in our
lives.. that even a safe thing?
L280[09:19:56] <Truga> no and you can
easily not do it
L281[09:20:05] <JCB> meh... i work temp
construction, min wages already.. at least walmart staff work
inside
L282[09:20:07] <Truga> I for sure don't
:v
L283[09:20:40] <Truga> where are you
from?
L284[09:20:46] <JCB> office called me just
a little bit ago, got full force lung hacking as I answered
>.<
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L286[09:21:07] <JCB> west coast canada...
min wage only recently went up to 11.35
L287[09:21:13] <snow> I hate having to
juggle stuff around self check-out, the counters are always way too
small
L288[09:21:27] <snow> and my local
supermarket has a "4th in line = free groceries"
policy
L289[09:21:29] <snow> \o/
L290[09:21:36] <madmerlyn> snow the
walmarts here are starting to put hand scanners in so you can scan
in the basket
L291[09:21:51] <ve2dmn> JCB: but your cost
of living is like 1million dollar per week in
renting/mortgage
L292[09:21:55] <madmerlyn> and then bag it
if you want but don't have to worry about running it all through
the scanbed
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L295[09:22:04] <snow> yeah they do that
here as well
L296[09:22:13] <JCB> canadian superstore
had a thing, all checkout lines opened friday+weekends or
something.. not sure they still do that (or if those were the
actual dates)
L297[09:22:14] <madmerlyn> in an ideal
world everyone would have their own reusable bags and use hand
scanners :P
L298[09:22:33] <snow> reusable bags
ftw
L299[09:22:55] <ve2dmn> Reusable bags...
welcome to the 1950s....
L300[09:22:57] <madmerlyn> we are just
adamant about re-using and recycling the bags we bring home
L301[09:23:14] <madmerlyn> they are used
as small can liners, but mostly get recycled
L302[09:23:17] <JCB> ve2dmn you confusing
cost of living with cost of a home.. which recently went to over
2million in the downtown core. Its getting bad now too, its about
as much in the suburbs too.
L303[09:23:34] <Truga> JCB ouch
L304[09:23:49] <ve2dmn> JCB: but you have
to live somewhere... cost of rent is 'living' too
L305[09:24:17] <JCB> I've been lucky... my
rent stayed stuck at 400/month for the past 15 years... then again,
I've had gone from living alone, renting. To sharing with 4 other
people.
L306[09:24:28] <Truga> (min wage here is
like 5e/hour, but things can be much cheaper here)
L307[09:24:34] <ve2dmn> 400/month for how
big?
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L309[09:26:09] <JCB> well thats just my
portion... its a 3 bedroom, spareroom, upperfloor. we lost use of
the store room downstairs in part to tentant there demanding
access
L310[09:26:55] <ve2dmn> You could get 1000
sq feet for 650/month
L311[09:26:57] <JCB> when I was renting...
secondary exits weren't even a thing... even then, windows
L312[09:27:00] <ve2dmn> (here)
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L314[09:27:45] <JCB> ve2dmn transit
accessable?
L315[09:27:57] <ve2dmn> yes
L317[09:28:26] <ve2dmn> And by accessible,
I mean the Metro station is walking distance (even if it is the
last stop)
L318[09:29:08] <JCB> land out here is sort
of hard to come by now... being in a valley. Kind of why prices
gone so stupidly high here, much like in Toronto
L319[09:29:12] <ve2dmn> If you are willing
to go in the suburbs, you could probably own a house for
1000/month
L320[09:29:12] <madmerlyn> basically
they're using a big battery system to provide electricity during
high demand for profit, and then recharging said batteries during
low demand when power plants are overproducing and cost is
negligible
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L322[09:30:05] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: we
already do that, because Hydro-Power can be started and stopped in
under a few minutes...
L323[09:30:16] <ve2dmn> ...but Telsa's
solution is MUCH more scalable
L324[09:30:18] <JCB> well right now we
have 1/4 of a house... duplex converted to quad.. but we also have
several transit options, skytrain nearby, a few major malls
L325[09:30:30] <ve2dmn> (even with the
rarety of rare earth)
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L327[09:30:40] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn Tesla's
solution also has a reaction time around a second
L328[09:30:51] <JCB> to get a place, a
house for anything really low, gotta leave the transit system area,
maybe even the fuel tax area as well
L329[09:31:07] <madmerlyn> coal plant
stops production for a second, Tesla's batteries keep the power
going without interruption at all
L330[09:31:30] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: and you
can put them almost anywhere
L331[09:31:52] <madmerlyn> yeah
hydroelectric requires a good watershed and dam, which can have its
own ecological issues
L332[09:32:07] <JCB> ugh.. site C dam
project..
L333[09:32:16] <madmerlyn> and storing
energy requires pumping water
L334[09:32:25] <ve2dmn> The biggest
problem with Coal, gas and Nuclear is that it can take up to 24h to
be at 100% production
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L336[09:32:49] <madmerlyn> battery
solution, provided the batteries themselves don't require insane
maintenace, works better because you just push current into them
directly when there's overproduction, no need to move fluids
around
L337[09:33:10] <JCB> I would love to see
more house born production.. sadly, doing so tends to freak out
major power producers.
L338[09:33:38] <madmerlyn> there's a
couple solar companies in my area and they are doing enough
business to keep going
L339[09:33:47] <madmerlyn> course the
incoming tariffs could be a huge problem
L340[09:33:49] <madmerlyn> so stupid
L341[09:33:56] <ve2dmn> Sadly, solar is
not 'that' viable up north
L342[09:34:20] <ve2dmn> it's still net
positive profit over 25 years though (with the price of solar
panels)
L343[09:34:29] <JCB> heh it works on my
camper at least.. then again, its a small camper, very small power
deman anyways
L344[09:34:30] <madmerlyn> it's still
viable in Canada, just have to get the material and service cost
down enough to justify it
L345[09:34:50] <JCB> there is a lot of
hydro out here...
L346[09:34:55] <madmerlyn> not every
installation has to be 100% self sufficiency, any decrease in grid
demand is a net positive effect
L347[09:35:44] <JCB> even just a decrease
on the grid would be helpful... they already keep raising rates all
the time, stating the whole grid needs replacing, aging, over
worked.. ect
L348[09:36:10] <JCB> considering, we've
had a few blowouts downtown underground..
L349[09:36:25] <madmerlyn> one of my
wife's friends just got an installation done, $40k, which seems
high to me
L350[09:36:54] <madmerlyn> but they have
like a 3400sf house and their average monthly electric bill was
like $140, now it's like $15, and they've financed the system at
$100/mo
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L352[09:37:38] <JCB> what I find stupid
is... a while back, someone got a grant for a solar instulation on
his roof. But then the grant was revoked mid way through the
instulation because someone next door got approval to build a house
one floor higher than his.
L353[09:37:46] <ve2dmn> The city own a few
appartement blocs and since they don't plan on selling them
soon-ish, they put solar panel on the roof
L354[09:37:47] <madmerlyn> so they're
already at a lower monthly liability with the added plus of using
renewable energy, plus there's federal tax credits for having
solar, not sure if it's just on the installation or if you get a
small amount annually too
L355[09:38:09] <JCB> they also found out,
the foundation was put in less than a couple of feet between from
his own.
L356[09:39:34] <JCB> all the new homes in
an area I worked in, have provisions to allow the owner to install
solar heating panels on the roof at a later date. Meant, having a
set of guide tubes that run from the roof to the furnace in a
direct path for later installation.
L357[09:40:13] <ve2dmn> JCB: Heat Pumps
are super popular here...
L358[09:40:43] <madmerlyn> I'm guessing if
their monthly payment is $100 the $40k must've been the net
installation cost, US Fed Govt reimburses 30% which would bring the
numbers down a bit
L359[09:40:47] <JCB> ya I saw some videos,
someone had a really cool idea of making a solar air heater for his
basement using metal drain pipes painted black
L360[09:40:57] <ve2dmn> yet, people still
heat up their pools... Why not combine the 2?
L361[09:41:02] <madmerlyn> financing a
solar system for 30 years is insane though, I would only do that if
it were a new construction and rolled in with the mortgage
L362[09:41:43] <JCB> foster family I got
settled with, had a pool installed along with solar heating
panels.. it worked. Mind you, couldn't figure out where all the air
bubbles were coming from
L363[09:41:58] <madmerlyn> on the plus
side, in US market adding solar to a home increases it's value by
about 85% of the cost of the system
L364[09:42:34] <madmerlyn> so even in a
$40k installation situation, if you decide to sell your house in 5
years the increased equity brings you a return even if the energy
savings hasn't been fully realized
L365[09:44:07] <JCB> Hmm... 6' satillite
dish... sun... tinfoil...
L366[09:44:37] <madmerlyn> don't DIY a
solar concentrator, you'll set your house on fire :P
L367[09:45:00] <JCB> I've already done a
test with a smaller directtv type dish
L369[09:45:14] <madmerlyn> they're
designed to power an average European home
L370[09:45:30] <madmerlyn> I saw one in
Springfield Missouri, they're pretty neat
L371[09:45:32] *
darsie rescued Lemmon and Sugar Kerman from Kerbin orbit
:).
L372[09:45:37] <JCB> sides.. if i did set
it up.. it go in the backyard, facing away,
L373[09:45:42] <madmerlyn> one advantage
they have over fixed systems is they're solar tracking
L374[09:45:59] <madmerlyn> so they get
optimal exposure during the entire day
L375[09:46:15] <madmerlyn> and they'll
stow themselves during bad weather and at night to protect the
panels
L376[09:46:38] <madmerlyn> also can take
it with you when you move
L377[09:48:13] <JCB> I still have my
supposedly 150watt solar panel..
L378[09:48:45] <madmerlyn> why
"supposedly"
L379[09:48:58] <madmerlyn> 150watt is
enough to charge a gaming laptop, that's about it :P
L380[09:49:38] <JCB> lol.. was just about
to explain... someone came by, a while after I had it, asked how
old it was. 'well you already lost 30 percent of your capacity due
to age already' .... wut?
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L382[09:50:05] <Truga> i don't think
that's how PVs work
L383[09:50:21] <JCB> I'd only had it for a
year or so... its barely been out since i've had it
L384[09:50:21] <Truga> maybe he thought it
was battery powered?
L385[09:50:50] <madmerlyn> PVs do
deteriorate over time, but not 30% in 1 year
L386[09:51:09] <madmerlyn> most
projections I've seen show a system declining about 20% over a 25
year lifespan
L387[09:51:40] <JCB> according to a quick
search.. looses roughly 1%/year
L388[09:52:07] <JCB> its ok.. didn't
really take them serious anyways. I knew enough about panels
L389[09:53:04] <madmerlyn> and they're
like most electronic things, the projected deterioration is based
on mean time before failure, you could have a cell that puts out
90% of its rated value indefinitely
L390[09:53:53] <madmerlyn> my old boss
still has a 20lb 1GB hard drive from like 1990 that works, even
though it should've failed years ago
L391[09:53:55] <JCB> or a capacity that
works fine for 20 years, then suddenly blows
L392[09:54:04] <ve2dmn> improbable... but
I've seen 15year old hardrives... so you never know
L393[09:54:09] <JCB> or never been used
for 30 years, blows soon as it get sused ;P
L394[09:54:19] <madmerlyn> this beast
would kill a 100w solar panel on its own :P
L395[09:54:28] <madmerlyn> we used to to
load test questionable power supplies lol
L396[09:54:43] <JCB> I still have a
working 8088 machine
L397[09:54:47] <madmerlyn> "this PSU
is testing fine, go get Bertha, let's see what happens"
L398[09:55:09] <JCB> speaking of load
testing.... let me go search a name up..
L399[09:55:25] <madmerlyn> lug the giant
20lb hard drive over, plug it in, listen to it wind up and shake
the whole desk (might be exaggerating a little) and see if the PSU
survives
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L401[09:56:25] <madmerlyn> instead of
using magnetic bits the thing probably writes data like a
phonograph by scoring the surface with a needle lol
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L404[09:57:42] <kmath> YouTube - Which Are
The Real Photos of Spacecraft? They’re Out There and They’re
Amazing
L405[09:58:21] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: the
original 1950s era was using the same tech as today... only it had
a capacity of 8k and was bigger then a fridge
L406[09:58:45] <madmerlyn> yeah yeah I
know
L407[09:59:11] <ve2dmn> Speaking of
Phonograph: don't buy the Roxblock or whatever it's called
L409[10:03:09] <madmerlyn> familiar? no.
Neat? yes. Though I wouldn't be building any kind of tesla coils or
farraday ladders in my home, lol
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L411[10:03:54] <madmerlyn> err Jacob's
ladder
L412[10:04:37] <madmerlyn> bah more
coffee, I don't know anything
L413[10:04:39] <JCB> or glowing steel
chains
L414[10:05:22] <Althego> hehe
photonicinduction
L415[10:05:23] <snow> it looks a bit like
a less reckless electroboom
L416[10:05:27] <Althego> that guy is
crazy
L417[10:07:00] <snow> ve2dmn: rokblok?
yeah, that'll quickly kill your vinyl
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L419[10:07:31] <ve2dmn> snow: the
kickstarter thingy
L420[10:08:03] <snow> yup
L421[10:08:10] <JCB> what caught my
attention to his channel a while back was the stupid bright
flashlight project he built
L422[10:08:46] <Althego> he built his own
power supply
L423[10:08:51] <JCB> oh ya.. forget
filiments in your bulb... more like door springs
L424[10:08:58] <Althego> you know for
several hundred amps and such
L425[10:09:19] <JCB> then again, talk'n
about 20kw bulb here
L426[10:10:08] <ve2dmn> I'm reminded of
the old 'Infinite Solutuion' youtube video battery trick
L427[10:14:11] <JCB> I love when he plugs
the transformer thing in.. its this massive round plug he jams into
a receptical
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L436[10:48:13] <madmerlyn> someone making
a solar sail mod to visit exoplanets earlier in a career ???? Uh..
that's not how solar sails work.
L437[10:49:18] <madmerlyn> they don't
magically go sublight speed on a strong gust of solar wind lol and
once they got past heliopause they would start slowing down or at
bare minimum stop accelerating
L438[10:55:51] <APlayer> Why would they
start slowing down?
L439[10:56:31] <madmerlyn> heliopause is
where the interstellar medium pressure is equivalent or greater
than the solar wind
L440[10:56:33] <APlayer> JCB: 20 kW bulb
for what? Setting things on fire or something?
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L442[10:57:00] <madmerlyn> so unless you
stow the sail or something, you're going to start
decelerating
L443[10:57:11] <madmerlyn> because the
sail will now be dragging in the interstellar medium
L444[10:57:23] <APlayer> madmerlyn: Well,
obviously a probe would fold the sail, or at least stop keeping it
opened
L445[10:58:04] <APlayer> Also, can still
use the ISM for acceleration in some cases, if you orient the probe
properly
L446[10:58:44] <madmerlyn> a solar sail
isn't going to go interstellar in any reasonable amount of time, it
would have to do lots of cruising in system to build up that kind
of velocity
L447[10:58:48] <APlayer> Can't sail
"against the wind", but certainly can use it to perform
course adjustments
L448[10:59:12] <APlayer> Well, that's a
different story, yes
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L450[11:03:04] <darsie> What's reasonable?
Arrive first?
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L452[11:04:34] <JCB> Aplayer used in
theater, video/movie productions
L453[11:05:40] <darsie> Well, if solar
sails slow you down, use them for that.
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L455[11:09:23] <JCB> I've wondered how a
solar sail could be used if all it could do is get pushed outward
one direction
L456[11:09:40] <ve2dmn> JCB: same way a
traditional sail gets used
L457[11:10:01] <ve2dmn> you move it around
when the wind isn't in the right direction
L458[11:10:19] <JCB> ve2dmn but your
thinking while being on the water, having something else to push
against
L459[11:10:47] <ve2dmn> ok, think kite
then
L460[11:11:18] <ve2dmn> if you angle it,
the thing moves left or right
L461[11:11:41] <ve2dmn> and you can rotate
the craft using reaction wheels
L462[11:12:05] <darsie> You can decelerate
with a solar sail.
L463[11:13:22] <JCB> hmmm.. ok sorta see
how it would work. Guess I"m just used to how sailboats work,
being that they also have water to help them track along
L464[11:16:05] <ve2dmn> water can help or
hinder
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L471[11:32:46] <Mat2ch> looks like the
static fire testing is underway
L472[11:33:32] <Deddly> Mat2ch, F9H?
L473[11:34:43] <umaxtu> yup
L474[11:34:44] <Mat2ch> jep
L476[11:34:50] <Deddly> ve2dmn, with a
kite, it is anchored to the ground. Remove the string and how are
you able to control which direction it flies?
L477[11:34:59] <Mat2ch> Since I don't pay
for spaceflightnow I can't view the live stream
L478[11:34:59] <Deddly> thanks
Mat2ch
L479[11:35:25] <Deddly> You need to be a
member to watch the feed??
L480[11:35:47] <Fluburtur> should be on
youtube too I guess
L482[11:36:04] <kmath> YouTube - Falcon
Heavy Test Fire
L483[11:36:33] <Deddly> Cool
L484[11:36:52] <Mat2ch> that was a short
"burp"
L485[11:37:11] <Mat2ch> like aborted
burp
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L487[11:37:38] <Deddly> Did they
abort?
L488[11:37:42] <Mat2ch> don't know
L489[11:37:51] <Mat2ch> just watched the
recording, was a pretty short test
L490[11:38:32] <Mat2ch> usually the first
stage burns for 3-4 minutes
L491[11:38:37] <Mat2ch> and here it was
30s?
L492[11:38:50] <JCB> nice rain cloud
:P
L493[11:38:55] <Deddly> I don't think the
first test is meant to be a full-length burn, is it?
L494[11:39:09] <umaxtu> they don't do
full-length burns at the cape
L495[11:39:15] <Mat2ch> oh, ok
L496[11:39:16] <Deddly> Ah
L497[11:39:28] <Mat2ch> well then maybe we
will see it liftoff on Friday then
L498[11:40:01] <umaxtu> iirc its 3 seconds
for most commercial customers, 5-7 for the govt. this one was
supposed to be 12 seconds long
L499[11:40:24] <Fluburtur> uh too bad I
missed it
L500[11:41:01] <JCB> suppose to be 12
huh?
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L502[11:41:29] <Mat2ch> umaxtu: looked
like 12 seconds, yes
L503[11:41:59] <umaxtu> I'd say so. Was
too busy cheering to pay attention to the time
L504[11:42:48] <JCB> so .. we are going to
end up with a car floating around mars?
L505[11:42:57] <Mat2ch> Hopefully
L506[11:42:59] <Mat2ch> :D
L507[11:43:01] <APlayer> I'm off, but be
back soon. See you guys!
L508[11:43:15] <JCB> seems like such a big
waste
L509[11:43:26] <Mat2ch> Now I want a The
Orville episode where they encouter such a thing somewhere around a
planet and try to figure out who put it there and what it does.
:D
L510[11:43:59] <Mat2ch> JCB: uh, let's not
get started talking about waste...
L511[11:44:05] <umaxtu> there was a
voyager episode like that. "The '37s" I think
L512[11:44:34] <Mat2ch> Yeah, people
obducted by aliens. :D
L513[11:45:13] <Mat2ch> *abducted
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L515[11:47:20] <JCB> fine.. if I have the
money, I wanna launch a cement truck into space
L516[11:47:57] <JCB> don't get me wrong,
it was cool seeing mythbusters blowing one up in spectactular
fashion
L517[11:49:40] <Draconiator> LOL, when the
shockwave hit every bird in the shot flew away
L518[11:50:58] <JCB> most launches do
that..
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L520[11:51:10] <JCB> lot of wet lands over
there, so get a lot of birds just hanging out
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L523[12:00:08] <Deddly> It's not really a
waste sending the Roadster around Mars. It's a massive publicity
stunt worth surely many more times the value of that car,
especially as it's about to be made obsolete with the new
model.
L524[12:00:48] <ve2dmn> Deddly: I still
want Elon Musk to put a Kerbal on the dashboard
L525[12:00:58] <Deddly> ve2dmn, worth a
try
L526[12:01:01] <Deddly> ask
L528[12:01:37] <Mat2ch> JCB: well, other
companies send up cement blocks, because nobody wants to have real
payload on a new rocket.
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L530[12:01:49] <ve2dmn> Deddly: I forgot
my twitter password...
L531[12:01:59] <ve2dmn> plus, he'll never
listen to me
L532[12:01:59] <kubi> one problem
less...
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L537[12:06:59] <JCB> jsut this idea that
muske must secretely hate his car
L538[12:11:00] <ve2dmn> JCB: he wants the
newer model
L539[12:11:09] <Deddly> Well, since it is
outperformed by his 7-seater Model X, I can't see why he would want
to keep it
L541[12:12:22] <JCB> considering he makes
all the models, not surprising he can just take whatever one he
wants
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L543[12:12:39] <ve2dmn> APlayer:
maybe?
L544[12:12:43] <JCB> well ok..
technecially /he/ doesn't make them himself.. rather he owns the
company itself
L545[12:13:25] <APlayer> OK, Mat2ch's link
is a more serious source
L546[12:13:32] <ve2dmn> I can never take
'the verge' seriously though.
L547[12:14:00] <APlayer> vedmn: I would
not doubt the information, if the images were not as... weird
L548[12:14:10] <APlayer> ve2dmn*
L549[12:14:20] <ve2dmn> I don't doubt the
reporting, I don't like the name
L550[12:14:37] <JCB> unless its got a
object trackign number....
L551[12:14:50] <JCB> then again, the past
while we've been hearing all kinds of weird crap... Zuma
mainly
L553[12:15:17] <kmath> <RocketLab>
Introducing The Humanity Star - a bright, blinking satellite now
orbiting Earth, visible to the naked eye in the ni…
https://t.co/KNVTZHk8jG
L555[12:16:10] <JCB> thing isn't small
either.
L556[12:16:14] <hoglahoo> lmao the
humanity star
L557[12:16:22] <hoglahoo> WE ALREADY HAVE
A STAR, DUMBASSES
L559[12:16:47] <kmath>
<ColiseumSewage> @RocketLab Be honest. What you really did
was put a bright blinking SPAM EMAIL in space advertising your
private ro…
https://t.co/FGDt01J80A
L560[12:16:49] <ve2dmn> We ARE made of
stars
L561[12:17:19] <JCB> actually.. come ot
htink of it..
L562[12:17:31] <Deddly> "You will not
be able to see the satellite within the next 2087 hours. Please
check again later." :/
L563[12:17:32] <JCB> I'd rather see the
glitter ball in space more than just tossing a car up there
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L566[12:22:08] <APlayer> JCB: What about a
glitter car?
L567[12:23:13] <APlayer> Also, imagine,
the big car company CEOs talking to their children: *points at red
speck on the sky* "See there, son. That's how far the rival
car industry got. I want you to get farther than that!"
L568[12:23:27] <JCB> no idea what the
discoball's orbital height?
L569[12:23:35] <APlayer> None
whatsoever
L570[12:23:46] <APlayer> Until just now I
doubted its existence
L571[12:23:57] <JCB> aplayer so.. bling
cars in space too? Thats pushing it a bit
L572[12:24:37] <JCB> this .. 'I got money,
you an't got none.. so suck it yo..' sorta thing rings in my head.
>_<
L573[12:25:47] <UmbralRaptor> Everyone is
getting 2087 hours apparently
L574[12:25:54] <Deddly> Sorry I didn't see
what you wrote for a moment there, JCB. I was too busy counting the
gold bars I keep strewn around my desk
L575[12:27:27] <JCB> gold's under rated
anyways...
L576[12:27:37] <UmbralRaptor> *over
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L578[12:28:23] <JCB> right... sorry,
having to also deal with whiny pet. >_>
L579[12:28:52] <JCB> plus.. been
coffeeless
L580[12:29:36] *
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L581[12:30:11] <APlayer> Feel free to use
my golden teaspoon to add some sugar to your coffee :P
L582[12:30:24] <JCB> I'll coffee.. bit
first cage the pesky brat, and do a quick chore.
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L585[12:30:55] <JCB> feh.. sugar
L586[12:31:01] <JCB> last few days doing
straight
L587[12:31:21] <JCB> milk..? I barely
touched the stuff in decades
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L591[12:41:50] <Luelmo> muy buenas llevo
ya unas semanas juegando al ksp, y me gustaria instalar el mod de
colonias, ya lo tengo investigado con ciencia... pero no me salen
las partes para construir colonias.... alguien me ayuda? lo puse en
la carpeta gamedate
L593[12:44:43] <Luelmo> gracias, voy a
ver
L594[12:47:22] <Luelmo> no me sirve, son
bueno ejemplos, pero no me salen a la hora construir las naves, las
piezas para las colonias, el invernadero etc...
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L596[12:49:05] <ve2dmn> ... my spanish is
good enough :/
L597[12:49:27] <Deddly> Luelmo, I think
the best place to ask is in the forum thread, with a little help
from Google Translate :)
L598[12:49:52] <JCB> ya was going to say
'yay google translate'.
L599[12:50:17] <ve2dmn> I trying NOT to
use Google translate...
L600[12:50:22] <Luelmo> I do not leave
when it comes to building the ships, the pieces for the colonies,
the greenhouse
L601[12:50:51] <Luelmo> the pieces of the
colony do not appear
L602[12:51:01] <Deddly> I've never used
that mod, sorry :(
L603[12:51:05] <ve2dmn> badly installed
mod
L604[12:51:10] <EricPoehlsen> are you
using career?
L605[12:51:20] <Luelmo> yes
L606[12:51:20] <EricPoehlsen> or
sandbox?
L607[12:51:29] <Luelmo> carrera
L608[12:51:38] <EricPoehlsen> the pieces
are relatively high in the tech tree
L609[12:51:39] <JCB> spanish isn't exactly
a priority for me... translate helps at least a little bit
L610[12:52:17] <Luelmo> tengo la ciencia
de las colonias desbloqueda
L611[12:52:17] <ve2dmn> JCB: I'm trying to
be polyglotte
L612[12:52:22] <EricPoehlsen> advanced
Colonization and long term habitation
L613[12:52:38] <Luelmo> I think I have the
wrongly installed mod
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L615[12:52:59] <ve2dmn> Installed via
CKAN? File-copy?
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L617[12:53:37] <Luelmo> kerbal planetary
base systems 1.5.8.zip
L618[12:53:43] <JCB> ve2dmn ever seen Bon
Cop Bad Cop 1 or 2?
L619[12:54:01] <ve2dmn> ... YES
L620[12:54:33] <APlayer> Luelmo: Do you
have ModuleManager?
L621[12:54:35] <JCB> Seen 1 a while back.
I've yet to see 2..
L622[12:54:47] <ve2dmn> JCB: You'll get
only 50% of the jokes if you can't speak both languages
L623[12:54:56] <JCB> "No, I have a
chip in my head that puts sub titles down at the bottom of my
vision'.. :P
L624[12:55:23] <Luelmo> Now it works for
me, the mod was wrong. thanks for your time
L625[12:56:22] <JCB> oh wait.. heres the
actual quote bit:
L626[12:56:24] <JCB> David Bouchard:
[surprised] You speak French? Martin Ward: No, not really. I had a
small gadget installed in my brain and I see subtitles under people
when they speak.
L627[12:57:26] <ve2dmn> JCB: I loved his
french lessons while trying to stuff the criminal in the
trunk...
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L630[12:59:49] <JCB> You can't stuff me
into the trunk, I'll sue you! -Of course we can, its Quebec
tradition.
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L635[13:07:23] <ve2dmn> JCB: You won't
catch that reference, of course...
L636[13:12:01] <JCB> I don't know about
Quebec specifically, though it does seem to be a regular thing with
cop movies..
L637[13:12:21] <JCB> mind you.. I've heard
stories people hiding in trunks to go to the movie theaters...
among other things
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L645[13:39:40] <JCB> Heavy launching in a
week from now according to Muske's report on the test firing
L646[13:40:58] <madmerlyn> Much
anticipated game, Orbital Tesla Command's launch date is fast
approaching! Get it next week!
L647[13:41:45] <ve2dmn> JCB: the test was
done?
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L650[13:42:24] <JCB> oh updated in the
last few seconds.. pad cameras
L651[13:42:49] <JCB> also, would love to
see pc-in-keybard designs come back :)
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L653[13:43:23] <ve2dmn> JCB: get a rPi.
insert in keyboard. Done.
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L655[13:43:55] <ve2dmn> I mean, there is a
rPi-in-a-Controller instructable
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L657[13:46:47] <JCB> I grew up on a
TI-99/4A... sad thing is.. I had no idea of 8bit.. 16bit.. back in
those day. Even more sad, we got the TI first (16bit) then family
later got the 8088 PC-10-III (8bit)
L658[13:47:50] <JCB> after watching 8-bit
guy make a homebrew game for the C-64 (CPU wasn't limiting factor,
ram memory was) I started pondering what could be done with Z80..
similar chips in making little computers
L659[13:49:49] <Luelmo> ciao thnx
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L661[13:50:09] <ve2dmn> JCB: I have yet to
watch that episode
L662[13:52:01] <JCB> he's started talking
and working on the next version for machines with more memory and
better colors.
L663[13:55:50] <ve2dmn> JCB: There was a
kickstarter project for a laptop that was just a housing unit for a
rPi
L664[13:56:14] <ve2dmn> And I'm trying to
hide one in an old radio
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L668[14:01:47] <kmath> <elonmusk>
Falcon Heavy hold-down firing this morning was good. Generated
quite a thunderhead of steam. Launching in a week or…
https://t.co/2e6EEIKZw4
L669[14:01:56] <Deddly> Nice video
there
L671[14:03:12] <kmath> <SpaceX>
First static fire test of Falcon Heavy complete—one step closer to
first test flight!
https://t.co/EZF4JOT8e4
L672[14:03:55] <Althego> hah!
L673[14:04:02] <Althego> finally falcon
heavy static tet fire
L674[14:04:47] <Althego> even that few
seconds is a lot of noise
L675[14:04:48] <JCB> ... elon Musk's Band
List?
L676[14:04:52] <JCB> er.. ban...
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L681[14:14:04] <kmath> YouTube - The
Ultimate Enterprise - Space Ship + Carrier + Shuttle + Sailing
Ship
L682[14:15:47] <JCB> oh lol..
L683[14:16:59] <JCB> then there was the
display in Pricard's meeting room on his ship..
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L691[15:01:34] <Draconiator> Steampunk
ships usually don't have wings right? I'm trying to figure out if
mine is legit or not...
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L693[15:04:38] <ve2dmn> Draconiator:
Steampunk is usually Blimp-based
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L695[15:05:01] <ve2dmn> Like the airships
in Final Fantasy
L698[15:13:49] <Fluburtur> rocket engine
with cooling duct
L699[15:18:08] <Althego> the
suspense...
L700[15:18:40] <Althego> which is the
front?
L701[15:19:01] <Fluburtur> in the middle
is the tube for nitrous oxide and the sides are for cooling
air
L702[15:19:14] <Fluburtur> because it will
be on a plane there will be a naca duct on each side to let some
air in
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L709[15:35:47] <Mathuin> Grew up with
C-64, used Apple ][ in school, did the tiniest bit of assembly and
understood that eight bits was a limitation but didn't really
understand why until later.
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L716[15:41:59] <madmerlyn> so I forgot to
turn IRC off on my work computer :P
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L721[15:54:23] <ve2dmn> (f-bom
warning)
L723[15:54:32] <madmerlyn> haha that'll so
be me making fun of whatever the dumb kids are doing in 30
years
L724[15:55:01] <madmerlyn> why is the
nozzle so small?
L725[15:55:31] <Fluburtur> idk I did no
math
L726[15:55:34] <Deddly> ve2dmn, thanks for
the warning, but next time, please don't link f-bombs in this
channel
L727[15:55:37] <Fluburtur> it's a
placeholder
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L729[15:55:51] <madmerlyn> seems like that
would really constrict the flow rate
L730[15:56:01] <Fluburtur> but since it's
an atmospheric engine and it will burn parafin and nitrous oxide I
figured it would work
L731[15:56:23] <madmerlyn> granted the
throat of a CD engine generally establishes flow rate, but that's
usually a single point not the entire length
L732[15:56:29] <Fluburtur> the engine is
made to be in the center of a plane and the nozzle at the
back
L733[15:56:42] <madmerlyn> I'm not a
rocket scientist either so I dunno, it just looks unusual
L734[15:56:49] <Fluburtur> yeah it
is
L736[15:56:57] <Leveller> Fluburtur: saw
my french chef joke on discord RC ?
L737[15:57:12] <Fluburtur> nah
L738[15:57:39] <madmerlyn> that little
throat at the end of it probably won't help flow rate either
L739[15:57:54] <madmerlyn> is this going
to be some kind of liquid propellant?
L740[15:58:06] <madmerlyn> I'd be
concerned about pressure buildup with that small of a nozzle
L741[15:58:17] <Fluburtur> hubrid
L742[15:58:20] <Fluburtur> hybrid*
L743[15:58:38] <madmerlyn> you just better
do your chemistry calculations before testing anything like
that
L744[15:58:42] <madmerlyn> don't want to
blow your plane up
L745[15:58:46] <Leveller> Fluburtur:
sec.
L746[15:58:46] <madmerlyn> or maybe you
do, I dunno
L747[15:58:53] <Fluburtur> well parafin
and nitrous works
L748[15:59:09] <Fluburtur> it's been
tested a lot but I can't find that much accurate info
L749[15:59:21] <Fluburtur> but I will do
some testing and probably build a few engines to get a good
one
L750[15:59:30] <Leveller> Fluburtur: Why
did the french chef kill himself? He lost the huile d'olive.
L751[15:59:34] <Fluburtur> lel
L752[15:59:41] <Leveller> THE WILL TO
LIVE
L753[15:59:42] <Leveller> :D
L754[15:59:55] <madmerlyn> well the thing
is if you have insufficient flow rate due to an undersized
throat/nozzle, you're going to have static pressure buildup in the
chamber while the fuel is trying to escape
L755[16:00:15] <Fluburtur> well the point
of a nozzle is convert presure into speed I guess
L756[16:00:16] <madmerlyn> if the
potential maximum pressure exceeds the burst point of the chamber
it'll blow
L757[16:00:37] <Fluburtur> I will do
testing with no extention tubes and with to see the
difference
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L759[16:04:51] <Fluburtur> I just thought
about something
L760[16:05:06] <Fluburtur> I can just wrap
the exhaust pipe in some cloth liek cars do
L761[16:05:16] <Fluburtur> no heavy
cooling ducts
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L777[17:29:57] <ve2dmn> :D
L778[17:30:20] <ve2dmn> Just got home to
the news that I can't use my fireplace :/
L779[17:36:52] <UmbralRaptor> Too many
particulates?
L780[17:37:47] <ve2dmn> that's the new
law, but it only comes into play next October
L781[17:38:16] <ve2dmn> no, something to
do with building insurance... my next door neighbor told me he
would explain later
L782[17:39:35] <Mathuin> I'm concerned
that I might not be able to put a wood stove in a new house here in
Oregon.
L783[17:40:20] <Mathuin> It requires
permits, which usually means money for the town but not much in
return.
L784[17:40:50] <UmbralRaptor> Hopefully
it's in part to encourage rocket stoves over more traditional
ones?
L786[17:45:07] <Mathuin> It's for health
and safety reasons, ostensibly.
L787[17:46:21] <UmbralRaptor> Old style
wood burning is apparently absurdly dirty. Like, worse than coal by
some measures.
L788[17:46:39] <ve2dmn> ^
L789[17:46:58] <ve2dmn> Creates a lot of
dust in the air
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L791[17:50:57] <darsie> OTOH it's CO2
neutral.
L792[17:51:51] <UmbralRaptor> Depends on
where you sourced the trees from.
L793[17:58:48] <Mathuin> Oregon's the
Beaver State. My wife's high school mascot was the Logger. The
trees are local. :-)
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L801[18:41:55] <madmerlyn> downloading
factorio
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