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L1[00:00:57] <transitbiker> oh man that
thing in low orbit is going so fast
L2[00:01:08] <transitbiker> its just barly
in orbit too, which means its really zipping along
L3[00:03:19] <DracoNetbook> Intel Atom N270
@ 1.6ghz, dual speed (usually at 800MHZ), 1GB RAM, and Intel
integrTED GRAPHICS 945 CHIPSET. oops
L4[00:03:45] <transitbiker> that really is a
netbook
L5[00:03:52] <transitbiker> dell?
L6[00:05:25] <DracoNetbook> Acer
L7[00:05:31] <transitbiker> hmm
L8[00:05:36] <DracoNetbook> AspireOne
L9[00:05:39] <transitbiker> mfgr year?
L10[00:06:45] <DracoNetbook> Originally
WinXP was installed on here, and I believe 2008
L11[00:07:01] <transitbiker> 2008, the year
of the netbook battle
L12[00:07:32] <transitbiker> i have some
crappy dell netbook myself got it for free from a college that was
updating its stuff
L13[00:07:38] <transitbiker> also
2008
L14[00:08:28] <DracoNetbook> heh
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L16[00:08:59] <transitbiker> also has xp -
would love to put some kinda linux on it
L17[00:09:15] <DracoNetbook> Yeah I more or
less replaced mine with an ipad, but this thing;s seeing a lot more
use now.
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L20[00:12:35] <transitbiker> ahhh, not
gonna make it to a landmass
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L22[00:15:14] <Gasher[work]> transitbiker,
if you use FAR i found that its spoilers make landing much
easier
L23[00:17:02] <transitbiker> hm
L24[00:17:54] <transitbiker> srb's on a jet
plane, what could go wronk?
L25[00:19:16] <transitbiker> forgot fuel
for the jet engine -_-
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L27[00:21:25] <Oneiros> hi
L28[00:21:26] <Mod9000> Hello,
Oneiros
L29[00:21:31] <transitbiker> ello
there
L30[00:21:57] <Oneiros> does anyone know of
a mod that adds baby NERVAs?
L31[00:22:06] <Oneiros> 0.625/Mk0 nuclear
engine
L32[00:22:13] <transitbiker>
tweakscale?
L33[00:22:28] <Oneiros> ok ty
L34[00:25:32] <ConductingCat> It's like
asking for a stock inline RTG.
L35[00:26:36] <Oneiros> how so
L36[00:27:09] <Oneiros> im making a tech
tree mod and everything starts as 0.625m/Mk0 diameter
L37[00:27:25] <Oneiros> all it's missing is
baby NERVAs
L38[00:28:03] <Oneiros> transitbiker: do
you use tweakscale?
L39[00:28:16] <transitbiker> i do not use
any mods or add-ons
L40[00:28:50] <Oneiros> oh ok,
interesting
L41[00:29:34] <Oneiros> i dont use part
mods but some things like realistic solar system and other helpful
features would be hard to go back from
L42[00:30:05] <Oneiros> you don't even use
a deltaV readout like KER?
L43[00:30:22] <transitbiker> stock vanilla
only
L44[00:30:37] <ConductingCat> Not even nav
control mods?
L45[00:31:19] <transitbiker> see above
:d
L46[00:32:01] <Oneiros> wow
L47[00:32:13] <Oneiros> that's pretty
cool
L48[00:32:25] <transitbiker> i either like
a game or i don't, generally
L49[00:32:48] <Oneiros> fair enough
L50[00:33:14] <Oneiros> some games i
wouldn't want to mod, others, like this one... it just feels so
underdeveloped and in need of assistance
L51[00:33:41] <Oneiros> at least in career
mode anyway. the astrophysics and all that are fine
L52[00:33:58] <transitbiker> if you think
ksp is underdeveloped, try simplerockets ;)
L53[00:34:13] <Oneiros> haha ok
L54[00:37:37] <TheKosmonaut> Simple rockets
at least owns up to its name
L55[00:38:00] <Oneiros> lol
L56[00:38:38] <TheKosmonaut> But with KSP
you can at least mod it to wherever you want it to be
L57[00:39:50] <TheKosmonaut> Oneiros: you
play real solar system with stock parts?
L58[00:40:29] <Oneiros> ya, KSP has great
modding potential
L59[00:40:53] <transitbiker> my stranded
pilot cannot get into her rescue craft -_-
L60[00:41:32] <Oneiros> Yup i did try it,
using the SMURFF mod. it was cool. I think I prefer quarter size
RSS though - the scale of RSS feels a bit overwhhelming
L61[00:42:30] <Oneiros> i love that orbits
are so much bigger, but the planet feels barren and lacking
detail
L62[00:43:41] <Oneiros> its probably a
limitation of the engine or something, I don't see it as an RSS
problem
L63[00:44:11] <transitbiker> oy vey
L64[00:45:03] <TheKosmonaut> Lifeless
planets arent really limited to RO either
L65[00:45:46] <Oneiros> yeh. kerbin is
barren too, but at least there are mountains and things
nearby
L66[00:46:05] <Oneiros> and the old
runway
L67[00:46:39] <Oneiros> as opposed to a
massive flat green area, and some water
L68[00:47:48] <Oneiros> for some reason
it's also very dark. I think because the distance from the sun has
increased. but i couldn't find a fix aside from increasing ambient
brightness in teh game settings.
L69[00:49:23] <Gasher[work]> Oneiros,
SMURFF? Does that mod make kerbals blue?
L70[00:50:51] <transitbiker> well i rescued
the one pilot, but the craft she came from is dead in the
water
L71[00:52:12] <Oneiros> haha no, it makes
the masses of engines and fuel tanks and things more realistc
L73[00:52:25] <transitbiker> gonna grab the
rescue pilot with an identical craft
L74[00:53:02] <Oneiros> basically means you
can use the unrealistically heavy stock parts in RSS
L75[00:53:53] <Oneiros> i tried a stock
career in RSS with it, all I needed was a couple extra tanks to
make orbit
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L84[01:04:51] <transitbiker> sending a
proper rescue craft
L85[01:06:53] <Gasher[work]> yeah i
recently made a rescue craft which required pulling to get
landed
L86[01:07:31] <TheKosmonaut> Oneiros: if
you ever want to try a relatively stock Ksp RO Experience, try
RP-9
L87[01:07:35] <TheKosmonaut> Rp-0*
L88[01:07:45] <TheKosmonaut> As it still
gives you a career mode
L89[01:08:34] <transitbiker> coming up on
target
L90[01:09:34] <TheKosmonaut> It's not quite
Smurf
L91[01:13:46] <Oneiros> I'd like to, just
waiting for a 1.3.1 release
L92[01:14:22] <Oneiros> i cant spend much
time trying to troubleshoot the issues i had trying to run it
L93[01:14:56] <Oneiros> and hopefully it
will be ready before ksp 1.4 lol
L94[01:15:43] <transitbiker> of we go,
heavy one kerbal
L95[01:16:40] <transitbiker> oh...
L96[01:16:46] <transitbiker> rip rescue
craft
L97[01:16:49] <transitbiker> x-x
L98[01:16:53] <transitbiker> nite all
^-^
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L100[01:17:37] <Althego> anybody knows why
this happens to gdb upon trying to load some external debug
symbols? "Dwarf Error: wrong version in compilation unit
header (is 0, should be 2, 3, or 4)" readelf -wi has some
similar message and fails reading the data. happens with some debug
files on debian jessie, but the files, and the libs they are used
with are from debian stretch. i guess there is some difference in
the format
L101[01:17:43] <Althego> but i cant find
what it is
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L111[01:48:42] <Althego> as expected, no
answer
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L115[02:23:07] <TheKosmonaut> Althego:
wait what is that for
L116[02:23:11] <TheKosmonaut> The error
thing
L117[02:24:28] <Althego> gdb loads
external debug symbols for some libs. those libs were originally
from debian stretch, along with their debug symbols. but if you try
to load them under debian jessie, the format seems to be different,
and the elf tools have trouble reading the debug symbols
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L119[02:33:06] <taniwha> Althego:
different gcc version
L120[02:33:14] <taniwha> (my guess)
L121[02:33:41] <taniwha> and I do seem to
remember there being a shift in debug symbols a while back
L122[02:34:03] <taniwha> (I use sid, so I
get these things a bit earlier)
L124[02:38:21] <Althego> yes gcc version
is different, and it is also among my assumption
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L154[06:40:14] <ve2dmn> good morning
L155[06:45:08] <sandbox> sup?
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L157[06:50:28] <ve2dmn> I didn't sleep
enough and the weather is extra crappy, but aside from that, It's
fine: I got coffee
L158[06:50:57] <taniwha> all hail the holy
bean :)
L159[06:52:58] <ve2dmn> yes
L160[06:53:17] <ve2dmn> Although, I feel
like it might not be enough to get me through the day
L161[06:53:38] <Truga> please don't start
your day with drugs
L162[06:53:51] <ve2dmn> Truga: nah. I just
want my bed
L163[06:54:21] <ve2dmn> If I can't
concentrate I'm useless. And if I'm useless I better stay
home
L164[06:54:43] <ve2dmn> Ironically, most
schools are closed today... except the University I work at
L165[06:54:45] *
UmbralRaptor stares at Truga.
L166[07:00:21] <ve2dmn> An interesting
thing about coffee, it's sort of an anti-drug more then an actual
'evil chemical'
L167[07:01:04] <ve2dmn> It stops the
absortion of a chemical signal that induses sleep, kind of like
adrenaline would.
L168[07:02:02] <ve2dmn> so unlike actual
'Controlled substance' that mimic the chemical neuro-receptor, this
one block the normal message.
L170[07:03:01] <ve2dmn> Your body
eventually gets used to it and produces more of the required
chemical message, which is why when you cut off coffe you feel
bad.
L171[07:03:30] <taniwha> for me, I get
nasty headaches when I don't have enough coffee
L172[07:03:39] <ve2dmn> yup
L173[07:04:41] <ve2dmn> It's just not an
addiction
L174[07:08:35] <Truga> uh
L175[07:08:43] <taniwha> sometime in the
next few weeks, I will have "Robert A. Heinlein Virginia
Edition collector’s set #784" in my hands :)
L176[07:08:47] <Truga> the fact that you
need it to not get headaches means it's an addiction
L177[07:09:12] <taniwha> so?
L178[07:09:19] <Truga> nothing
L179[07:09:21] <Truga> just saying
L180[07:09:40] <taniwha> I'm inclined to
sort of agree, though
L181[07:09:48] <taniwha> but I don't
consider it to be a bad thing
L182[07:09:52] <ve2dmn> Truga: Not in the
same way that other chemical receptor mimics do
L183[07:09:59] <taniwha> (also, the
headaches do go in a few days)
L184[07:10:01] <Truga> ve2dmn you're just
making excuses
L185[07:10:03] <Truga> :p
L186[07:10:18] <ve2dmn> You could get off
Coffee completetly over 2-3 days. Try that with Nictotine
L187[07:10:27] <taniwha> (there have been
times where I had to go without coffee for a long time)
L188[07:10:28] <Truga> i won't, I don't
smoke either :v
L189[07:10:36] <ve2dmn> Neither do I
L190[07:11:03] <ve2dmn> Truga: but going
on a broader definition of addiction, you are technically
correct.
L191[07:11:38] <ve2dmn> go even broader
and KSP is my addiction :D
L192[07:11:44] <Gasher[work]> i'm
indulging in my food addiction atm
L193[07:12:10] <taniwha> yeah, withdrawal
from food is pretty harsh
L194[07:12:38] <ve2dmn> meh. you can
survive for a long timee without food. Just drink enough
water
L195[07:12:52] <taniwha> yeah, a few
weeks
L196[07:13:13] <taniwha> (depends on your
build)
L197[07:13:36] <ve2dmn> I think the record
for 'not eating' (but taking vitamins in tablets to avoid
complications) is close to 400 days
L198[07:13:55] <Gasher[work]> also lychees
are nice
L199[07:13:57] <ve2dmn> Of course that
guy's advice is "Don't do it"
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L202[07:29:10] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: Just read
your comment from yesterday. I don't have a good Mun<->Kerbin
kOS script. I was starting to work on that, but I got distracted by
achivement hunting in Anno 2205
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L208[08:12:02] <ve2dmn> Did I ever mention
I have this love-hate relationship with virtualisation and
containers?
L209[08:14:06] <ve2dmn> It's super usefull
for development, but devs got lazy and instead of trying to make
their code work with the system, I now have several version of the
same library
L210[08:17:05] <ve2dmn> ho, just "npm
install this" and "pip install that" in your
virtualenv...
L211[08:18:12] <ve2dmn> Sure... And
security updates? When do I do them? What do you mean you didn't
plan that?
L212[08:18:23] <ve2dmn> *sigh*
L213[08:18:32] <ve2dmn>
</rant>
L214[08:33:05] <Althego> haha pip is
cancer
L215[08:33:10] <Althego> make it
work
L216[08:33:14] <Althego> deb is around
ok
L217[08:33:24] <Althego> but pip packages
are just not handled correctly
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L227[08:53:36] <madmerlyn> that's because
pip is more akin to the AUR than to an official repo
L228[08:54:02] <ve2dmn> or the old Perl
CPAN
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L232[09:10:07] <JCB> .... such a crazy
morning
L233[09:12:27] <ve2dmn> JCB: ice?
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L238[09:20:57] <JCB> no.. fire and
water
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L240[09:21:32] <JCB> tanker truck and
train engine explosion collision.. yesterday evening. Then around
1am, tsunami warning. Though my area didn't get the warning, inside
the straight
L241[09:21:35] <JCB> or strait
L242[09:21:54] <ve2dmn> West Coast.
ok
L243[09:22:08] <ve2dmn> we got freezing
rain overnight. Ice. Ice everywhere.
L244[09:22:09] <JCB> ya... just caught the
chatter on the news when I got into the truck an hour ago
L245[09:22:49] <JCB> by the time it got
half way down the island.. they measured 3cm waves
L246[09:24:00] <JCB> M 7.9 over in
alaska... everyone on the coast got the warning just in case
L247[09:24:11] <ve2dmn> I heard this
morning
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L249[09:25:02] <kubi> a warning "just
in case"
L250[09:25:11] <kubi> isn't it
contraproductive?
L251[09:25:30] <JCB> precaution.. they
didn' tknow the type of quake it was
L252[09:25:42] <ve2dmn> kubi: well, the
level of alert wasn't the same everywhere.
L253[09:26:22] <JCB> if it was vertical
motion of the plates, it would have been a different story.
L254[09:28:59] <ve2dmn> kubi: you can see
it this way: We have confirmation of a large earthquake in the
ocean near Alaska. Better safe then sorry.
L255[09:29:55] <ve2dmn> kubi: also, the BC
alert was cancelled once more info made it clear it wasn't going to
be a big one
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L260[09:38:10] <JCB> my area was sheltered
by the strait and island..
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L269[10:07:34] <Mat2ch> still chasing the
ducks?
L270[10:07:48] <Fluburtur> there were
chasing me
L273[10:08:42] <kmath>
<SpaceflightNow> The Falcon Heavy’s first test-firing at
launch pad 39A in Florida is now set for no earlier than
Wednesday.…
https://t.co/MKW7mR2fgT
L274[10:09:24] <Mat2ch> uh, why do you
still have flooding?
L275[10:09:31] <Fluburtur> idk
L276[10:09:53] <Mat2ch> and when is your
real flight test?
L277[10:10:05] <Fluburtur> this weekend I
hope
L278[10:10:11] <Fluburtur> I will put more
powerful motors
L279[10:10:27] <Fluburtur> there was a
section of road that was flooded so I could do testing there
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L281[10:10:36] <Fluburtur> and I got it
off the water but it needed headwind
L282[10:10:50] <Fluburtur> si I will put
better motors and that should work
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L284[10:14:00] <Mat2ch> moar power always
works. :D
L285[10:14:10] <Fluburtur> yeah
L286[10:14:40] <Fluburtur> I also talked
with some peoples while I was there and it was nice
L287[10:14:53] <Fluburtur> peoples here
like rc planes and stuff
L288[10:17:23] <JCB> well... not too much
power, you'd still want your wings to stay attached ;)
L289[10:17:40] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: What
word do you use for RC? 'Téléguidé'? 'Radioguidé'?
L290[10:17:54] <Fluburtur>
radiocommandé
L291[10:18:33] <ve2dmn> Even better
L292[10:19:35] <Fluburtur> some peoples
asked me so I told them it took me one week to build the plane and
they were like "oh wow"
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L294[10:20:30] <ve2dmn> It takes a few
hours to build, but it then take a week to tweak it just
right
L295[10:20:49] <JCB> I would love to build
a plane myself... sadly, a lot of hobby stores out here closed
down
L296[10:20:51] <Fluburtur> nah I worked on
it like 2 hours each day for 5 days
L297[10:21:29] <ve2dmn> JCB: try online
:/
L298[10:21:53] <Fluburtur> go to the
hardware store and get insulation foam
L299[10:22:25] <ve2dmn> JCB: do you have a
link to that truck/tanker news story?
L300[10:23:25] <JCB> ooh wait... one I
thought shutdown just moved.
L301[10:23:35] <JCB> same city just
another mall
L303[10:25:16] <ve2dmn> JCB: Ever saw that
'dead malls of America' video?
L304[10:26:10] <JCB> note collision
happened 6pm yesterday..
L306[10:26:44] <JCB> ve2dmn I know of it..
didn't really watch it. store just moved from one strip mall to
another location.. nothing really went dead
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L308[10:27:24] <madmerlyn> the mall here
in Fayetteville had a vacancy rate of almost 40% when they built a
new mall 15 miles north of it
L309[10:27:44] <madmerlyn> it's recovered
now, I'd say they're probably around 10% vacancy now
L310[10:28:17] <madmerlyn> I think the
board that runs it is too stubborn on rent, but they brought prices
down when they realized the ship was gonna sink if they
didn't
L311[10:28:35] <madmerlyn> course there's
about to be a HUGE space that needs renting out on account of Sears
closing nationally
L312[10:28:50] <Althego> lol liam
nissan
L313[10:29:04] <Althego> nii-san :)
L314[10:29:56] <JCB> a mall in the major
city of mine, was doing ok. Till till security ended up getting too
heavy handed. Started scaring off tenants... new contractor came in
and now things slowly started returning to normal
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L327[10:47:04] <halcyon_b> are there any
mods that offer different types of liquid fuel? just out of
curiousity.
L328[10:47:22] <Truga> yes
L329[10:47:35] <Truga> if you're
interested in super complicated crap, check out realfuels
L330[10:47:48] <Truga> otherwise, cryo
engines or somesuch has liquid hydrogen powered ones
L331[10:48:27] <halcyon_b>
incroyable
L332[10:48:29] <JCB> don't they also
recommend a few other mods to go along with realfuels to help with
things?
L333[10:48:31] <Truga> realfuels has all
kinds of stuff though, including stuff like pressured tanks and
ullage
L334[10:48:49] <Truga> yeah you should
probably install an engine pack to go with that
L335[10:49:36] <JCB> nasa+russian engines
pack is nice but might be a little over powered. Think was more
meant for realisim overhaul.. unless I'm wrong?
L337[10:49:51] <Truga> nah realfuels has a
stockalite configs thing
L338[10:50:16] <Truga> it's all on ckan
too
L339[10:50:57] <halcyon_b> I'm grateful
that both KSP and ckan are available on linux. It makes life a lot
easier
L340[10:51:02] <JCB> I tried some of the
nasa stuff.. few other things. Was kind of nice but didn't do the
realfuels thing wiht it.
L341[10:51:12] <halcyon_b> I've got a
windows laptop, but it's too slow to run KSP well
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L343[10:51:42] <Truga> hehe
L344[10:51:44] <JCB> I cringe when I see
people dumping 500 or so mods on a game then just dive right in...
then find themselves completely lost ;P
L345[10:52:07] <Truga> i love mods, my
current install has like 100 installed in ckan i think
L346[10:52:25] <JCB> I had a few mods one
version, took a while to load though. :\
L347[10:52:31] <halcyon_b> I know what you
mean. The only thing I've got installed is Engineer Redux, and that
was after I landed on mun
L348[10:52:44] <Truga> yeah starting stock
is fine
L349[10:53:10] <JCB> I've mostly done
stock but a few mods I'd like to put in to help with building
mostly.
L350[10:53:11] <Truga> i'm playing on real
size system now and stock is just a bit short on parts i'd want
:p
L351[10:53:29] <Truga> same, but also
FAR
L352[10:53:32] <Truga> FAR is
justice
L353[10:53:34] <halcyon_b> I've been
considering picking some up though, since I'm... not end game, but
I've got something headed to Eeloo that can hang out in orbit, and
I'll probably send something manned after that. Science maxed out,
etc
L354[10:53:38] <JCB> I find it funny,
people suggest docking alignment indicator.. yet I haven't really
any issues docking in stock
L355[10:54:19] <halcyon_b> What are the
biggest differences playing a real size system?
L356[10:54:32] <Truga> it takes like
11km/s of dv to get to orbit
L357[10:54:40] <Truga> after that it's
mostly the same
L358[10:54:43] <JCB> I gotten V1.3 but yet
to run it... have a few missions waiting to be finished in my
1.2... just been feeling sick/troubled to get down to working on
them right now
L359[10:54:43] <Truga> margins can be a
bit tighter
L360[10:55:11] <Truga> on the other hand,
time frames are much longer
L361[10:56:02] <JCB> ya I always thought
the launches in stock were a bit too fast..
L362[10:56:20] <Truga> ehh
L363[10:56:50] <JCB> you try real launc
profile, you end up burning a lot...
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L365[10:57:34] <Truga> means you turned
too quickly imo
L366[10:57:34] <JCB> I know some of the
real launches, they go up past their intended orbit, then burn a
little on the way down, circularizing
L367[10:57:54] <Truga> yeah uhhh
L368[10:57:58] <Truga> that's the main
problem really
L369[10:58:09] <Truga> 80% of your dv is
in the last stage so
L370[10:58:23] <Truga> and that's usually
just a terrier or something similar, so low twr
L371[10:58:27] <JCB> I do a shallow
profile on the later parts, it does end up using a lot less fuel
rather than straight up and over
L372[10:58:37] <Truga> yeah
L373[10:58:58] <JCB> most of my boosters
get me up to near orbit, then unit on the craft does the rest
L374[10:58:59] <Truga> I just let the air
do my gravity turn thing and I don't usually see any burning
:v
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L376[11:01:41] <madmerlyn> if it's a true
gravity turn it's gravity doing the turn not the air
L377[11:02:10] <madmerlyn> you give your
nose a little nudge, and then gravity pulls it down as you ascend.
A proper gravity turn has no steering beyond the original
nudge
L378[11:02:20] <Truga> uhh
L379[11:02:34] <Truga> gravity works on
the whole rocket at the same time tho?
L380[11:02:59] <JCB> ya.. you basically
just flying a ballistic
L381[11:03:21] <JCB> the trouble is trying
to figure out how much of a nudge and when to do it to get it
right
L382[11:03:22] <Truga> yeah
L383[11:03:27] <madmerlyn> Truga this is
true, but if your rocket isn't going perfectly perpendicular to the
gravity, it's going to pull your nose down
L384[11:03:29] <Truga> 5 degrees at 50m/s
in stock
L385[11:03:41] <Truga> does the
trick
L386[11:03:51] <Truga> just put some
winglets on the end, to keep it from flipping
L387[11:03:53] <madmerlyn> because your
thrust is coming out of the rear of the rocket, but gravity is
pulling everything down
L388[11:03:55] <JCB> ya but how much
acceleration?
L389[11:04:03] <madmerlyn> so the nose
will gradually lower
L390[11:04:10] <Truga> doesn't matter,
50m/s will be at different altitudes at different twr
L391[11:04:12] <madmerlyn> that's why they
call it a gravity turn and not just a turn
L392[11:04:12] <Truga> :p
L393[11:04:18] <madmerlyn> gravity does
the turning
L394[11:04:38] <Truga> gravity turn is
just a zero lift turn
L395[11:05:01] <madmerlyn> "A gravity
turn or zero-lift turn is a maneuver used in launching a spacecraft
into, or descending from, an orbit around a celestial body such as
a planet or a moon. It is a trajectory optimization that uses
gravity to steer the vehicle onto its desired
trajectory."
L396[11:05:16] <JCB> most of my creations
I'm already hitting nearly double that shortly after take off
L397[11:05:24] <Truga> yeah, and since ksp
has no wind, air does the same thing :p
L398[11:05:32] <Truga> or rather
L399[11:05:35] <madmerlyn> it's not the
air steering the vehicle, it's gravity
L400[11:05:37] <Truga> combination of
winglets and gravity
L401[11:05:40] <Truga> yeah
L402[11:05:57] <JCB> I have to add fins to
some of my creations.. fairings tend to mess with dynamics
L403[11:05:59] <madmerlyn> the winglets
are just stabilizing it, if the rocket's center of pressure was
stable without them you wouldn't need them
L404[11:06:16] <Truga> that's almost
impossible tho
L405[11:06:25] <madmerlyn> you can also do
gravity turns on bodies without atmosphere, and no it's not almost
impossible
L406[11:06:47] <JCB> my general rule is,
if the fairing stays the same size as the rocket tanks, and you
have significant mass forwards, you /might/ be able to get away
without fins
L407[11:07:04] <Truga> umm
L408[11:07:18] <Truga> no, fairing is
always much lighter than tanks, so tanks will want to go ahead of
it
L409[11:07:31] <madmerlyn> that's not how
inertia works
L410[11:07:41] <JCB> noticed I mentioned
mass? as in payload?
L411[11:07:43] <Truga> you can get away
without winglets by steering manually with gimbal, but that sounds
like a whole lot of effort for no gain to me :v
L412[11:07:44] <madmerlyn> and in this
scenario you're dealing with drag
L413[11:07:59] <Truga> umm
L414[11:08:00] <madmerlyn> which is what
the fairing eliminates
L415[11:08:04] <Truga> that's exactly how
drag works tho
L416[11:08:16] <madmerlyn> drag works by
surface area, not just mass alone
L417[11:08:24] <JCB> fairings reduces drag
around a payload. It doesn't elemate its mass
L418[11:08:27] <Truga> tanks are heavier,
and experience the same amount of drag as the fairing, if they're
the same size
L419[11:08:30] <madmerlyn> the tanks don't
"want to be in front" that's ludicrous
L420[11:08:40] <Truga> and then, because
the center of gravity is at the bottom
L421[11:08:44] <Truga> center of
mass*
L422[11:08:47] <Truga> it'll want to go
first
L423[11:08:56] <madmerlyn> doesn't matter
where the CoM is as long as its in front of the thrust
L424[11:08:57] <Truga> like how arrows
have to be heavier at the front or don't work
L425[11:09:15] <JCB> also noticed I said
/it might be able to fly ok without fins/... not all crafts are the
same
L426[11:09:16] <Truga> umm
L427[11:09:19] <madmerlyn> provided you
don't have a draggy nose, you could have the CoM on the bottom
third of the rocket and be fine
L428[11:09:28] <madmerlyn> ummmmmm
what
L429[11:09:37] <Truga> provided you steer
it right, yes
L430[11:09:47] <Truga> if you go more than
a few degrees off course it'll just flip
L431[11:10:04] <JCB> without fins, well
ya, only control is gimble on engines. A lot of real life rockets
do that anyways
L432[11:10:13] <Truga> yeah, and that's
just fine
L433[11:10:18] <Truga> but it's also a lot
of effort :D
L434[11:10:21] <Truga> i'll keep using
fins
L435[11:10:42] <JCB> some of my early mk1
pod missions uses two of the swivel engines on a slender rocket.
Most times it seems fine enough
L436[11:11:22] <madmerlyn> yes many
rockets use gimbal to control the ascent, but that doesn't mean
they aren't primarily steering with gravity
L437[11:11:34] <JCB> each to their own...
I find it works.. sides, gives me something to do. I don't want the
flight to be too automatic
L438[11:11:47] <madmerlyn> any vectoring
the thrust has to do is less efficient than a prograde vector,
which is why gravity turns are even a thing
L439[11:11:59] <Truga> oh I know
L440[11:12:40] <JCB> there's always going
to be inefficiencies.... nothing's perfect. Sides, thrust vectoring
is only a small portion
L441[11:12:49] <Truga> but it does have to
do steering or it'd flip, it's impossible to do it with none at
all, especially in real life because winds are a thing :p
L442[11:13:14] <Truga> it's just, any
corrections are super miniscule
L443[11:13:18] <Truga> same as if you keep
SAS on
L444[11:13:23] <Truga> and turn it towards
prograde
L445[11:13:52] <Truga> but most of my
probes don't have that advanced a flight computer yet :(
L446[11:13:54] <Truga> very annoying
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L448[11:14:18] <JCB> everyone has their
own playing style
L449[11:14:41] <JCB> if it works... well..
it works
L450[11:17:40] <Truga> yeah, mine is
"design a rocket that steers itself aerodynamically, because
i'm too stupid to figure out autopilot"
L451[11:17:52] <Truga> and too lazy to fly
all the way up, of course
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L464[11:45:28] <zilti> Aw dang, the
slowdowns got way worse again today...
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L470[12:12:15] <zilti> 20 fps at launch
site, and sim runs at 50%... I mean, with Extreme Textures it was
worse, but that's still awful
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L481[12:48:57] <Draconiator> hmmm...
L483[12:51:13] <Althego> for years
L484[12:51:28] <Althego> few years ago
there was a year when ms was the biggest contributor to the
kernel
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L486[13:03:57] <halcyon_b> I think since
they figured out it was never going to be the year of Linux on the
Desktop
L487[13:04:37] <halcyon_b> Linux has been
increasing its share of the server/enterprise market, but usually
by stealing market share from Solaris, AIX, etc
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L490[13:09:20] <ve2dmn> halcyon_b: it's
just everywhere these days
L491[13:09:30] <Althego> hehe year of the
linux desktop
L492[13:09:33] <Althego> it is a running
joke
L493[13:09:54] <kubi> the best if that
never comes
L494[13:10:05] <kubi> too many poppers
around already
L495[13:10:19] <ve2dmn> poppers?
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L498[13:29:06] <zilti> As soon as I'm in
space it's smooth sailing, so it must be some physics stuff going
nuts
L499[13:29:35] <APlayer> What's
failing?
L500[13:31:48] <zilti> Well, that's what I
don't know
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L503[13:33:42] <APlayer> What are the
symptoms, then?
L504[13:33:51] <Althego> behold, the
ground probe, that can get almost anywhere on kerbin fast,
parachute over the target area, glide a tiny bit with its
cylindrical body, and roll around with its airplane gears and jet
engine to get measurements
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L507[13:41:52] <zilti> APlayer: at lauch,
no matter how few parts I have, it's about 20fps, and the
simulation runs at like 40-50% of the real speed. It runs smooth
+/- as soon as I'm in space
L508[13:42:18] <APlayer> Any mods?
L509[13:42:47] <zilti> Yes, many mods
^^
L511[13:44:35] <APlayer> Check your
console in the Alt-F12 menu - is there a lot of spam, or only an
occasional message?
L512[13:46:30] <ve2dmn> "Enlarge Your
Rocket!"
L513[13:47:24] <ve2dmn> "Collect 500
science per day from the confort of your own home!"
L514[13:48:23] <APlayer> ...no
L515[13:48:37] <zilti> Well, right now
nothing works anymore since I've disabled terrain scatters...
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L517[13:51:28] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Also,
shame on me for not getting the joke earlier, but better late than
never - please keep it clean ;-)
L518[13:52:38] <Draconiator> I don't think
he meant it that way Player :P
L519[13:53:21] <ve2dmn> APlayer: I was
about to try and find a pun on Kerman 419 scam or SEO specialist
spam...
L520[13:54:32] <ve2dmn> ...but I ran out
of inspiration
L521[13:54:49] <ve2dmn> also, a look
through my spam folder made me weep for humanity
L522[13:54:51] <APlayer> SEO specialist
spam is the /worst/
L523[13:56:19] <ve2dmn> Or thoses annoying
Domain name SEO renewal 'bills'
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L526[13:58:19] <APlayer> Umbral: Uh...
language? LOL
L527[13:58:27] <UmbralRaptor> gah
L528[13:58:52] <UmbralRaptor> wrong
link
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L533[14:00:55] <APlayer> UmbralRaptor: So,
what was the correct one?
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L535[14:04:24] <APlayer> zilti: So, does
the console look good? Because occasionally extreme lag is caused
by some mod throwing tons of exceptions
L536[14:05:23] <APlayer> Also, TIL HexChat
suggests "centimetres" as an alternative spelling for
"oftentimes". Yep, definitely what I was looking
for.
L537[14:06:03] <halcyon_b> Basically the
same word
L538[14:06:52] <Draconiator> LOL, I use
Hexchat on my netbook. seen some weird stuff on there.
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L540[14:10:00] <zilti> APlayer: it looks
like a warzone. Then again, my game stopped working now...
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L545[14:18:29] <halcyon_b> That's a pretty
good bundle.
L546[14:18:39] <ve2dmn> I already own
most
L547[14:19:01] <halcyon_b> Europa
Universalis III and Pillars of Eternity for $6, and Stellaris for
12? Not bad at all
L548[14:19:08] <Truga> yep
L549[14:19:08] <ve2dmn> +1
L550[14:19:17] <Truga> those are all real
good
L551[14:19:53] <ve2dmn> be prepared to buy
100$ of DLC though
L552[14:20:05] <ve2dmn> although, the base
games are still very good
L553[14:20:52] <halcyon_b> I don't mind
paid DLC, as long as it's not required to make the game
complete.
L554[14:22:26] <ve2dmn> Then it's a good
bundle that could be extended with bonus available content
L555[14:22:47] <madmerlyn> since I already
own Stellaris I could go middle tier
L556[14:23:05] <halcyon_b> I actually
don't have any of those games, except for the second tier Crusader
Kings games
L557[14:23:09] <halcyon_b> It's
tempting
L558[14:23:27] <halcyon_b> But I would
estimate that I've played perhaps 15% of my Steam library at this
point
L559[14:23:48] <ve2dmn> 15% of how many
titles?
L560[14:24:01] <madmerlyn> because of
humble bundle I have a huge collection of titles that are Windows
only that I haven't even tried yet
L561[14:24:19] <madmerlyn> I have windows
on my work laptop but I don't really ever get it out outside of
work
L562[14:25:34] <ve2dmn> Time to head home
because I... just.... can't... stay... awake
L563[14:26:16] <ve2dmn> I hope I don't
fall asleep and miss my bus sto
L564[14:26:19] <ve2dmn> stop*
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L567[14:29:53] <madmerlyn> I mean Moon
Express probably had the best shot at claiming it, but their lander
isn't anywhere near ready even though Rocket Labs is on schedule
with their Electron to do it
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L569[14:30:54] <madmerlyn> Moon Express
will probably still go there because I think collectors and science
institutions alike will will pay for their sample returns
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L571[14:31:11] <APlayer> Umbral: Sad
trombone indeed
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L574[14:32:07] <madmerlyn> if they can put
one of their probes on the Lunar surface for a cost of 6M or less
on the launch vehicle there's plenty of room for funding via sale
of samples
L575[14:32:57] <madmerlyn> plus one of
their mission plans includes polar prospecting for water, which
will likely draw funding from NASA and/or other groups with long
term interests in the moon
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L577[14:34:35] <halcyon_b> 6M to put a
probe on the moon? that's ambitious
L578[14:35:01] <madmerlyn> 6M or less for
the launch vehicle, plus whatever sunk costs they have on the
probe's R&D plus the cost of the probe itself
L579[14:35:12] <madmerlyn> the Electron is
a very affordable rocket :P
L580[14:35:24] <madmerlyn> Moon Express's
probes are 250kg
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L583[14:36:24] <madmerlyn> they are one of
Rocket Labs' primary customers at this point
L584[14:36:46] <halcyon_b> That's not
extremely heavy... still, I would figure it would be a lot more
expensive, since it would not just be going into orbit but
translunar
L585[14:37:17] <Guest75625> well ISRO did
their mars mission for less then the production costs of the movie
gravity
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L587[14:37:37] <halcyon_b> Is that true?
Oh man, that's amazing
L588[14:37:39] <madmerlyn> that they
did
L589[14:37:53] *
Draconiator is making something Steampunk inspired, coming out
pretty good
L590[14:37:54] <madmerlyn> want to say the
total mission cost was like $300M
L591[14:38:04] <madmerlyn> which for
interplanetary was unprecedented
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L593[14:38:22] <EricPoehlsen> officially
the mission cost was around 57 Mio $
L594[14:38:32] <EricPoehlsen> #not
counting R&D overhead
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L598[14:39:42] <madmerlyn> $74M is the USD
total according to CNN Money
L599[14:39:48] <madmerlyn> but yeah,
that's nothing
L600[14:39:52] <madmerlyn> Maven was over
600M
L601[14:40:11] <halcyon_b> Did you see the
size of the payload? 15Kg?
L602[14:40:16] <APlayer> zilti: Well,
there's your problem
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L604[14:40:25] <madmerlyn> the Indian
payload? it was over 1t
L605[14:41:09] <APlayer> I am not sure how
to solve it, I'd suggest finding the mod that causes it (binary
search, i.e. remove one half of your mods at a time until you
narrow it down to one), and then you may look further
L606[14:41:17] <madmerlyn> oh nvm
L607[14:41:31] <APlayer> The mod may be
incompatible with your game, another mod, or just broken
L608[14:41:35] <madmerlyn> it was 13.4kg
actualy payload
L609[14:41:47] <madmerlyn> total launch
mass was 1.337t
L610[14:41:54] <madmerlyn> probably why it
was so cheap
L611[14:41:56] <halcyon_b> I wonder if the
Earth-Mars transfer craft was 1 ton
L612[14:42:05] <halcyon_b> Oh, wow. The
rocket was barely over a ton?
L613[14:42:10] <madmerlyn> although it
might be even cheaper for them to use Rocketlabs
L614[14:42:15] <APlayer> So, if you count
the scientific instruments only on a probe, that'd probably amount
to few kg too
L616[14:42:35] <madmerlyn> Launch mass:
1,337.2kg
L617[14:43:42] <madmerlyn> oh I see...
that's the mass of the payload + the bus
L618[14:43:48] <APlayer> "The low
cost of the mission was ascribed [...] to [...] few ground tests
and long (18–20 hour) working days for scientists."
L619[14:43:55] <APlayer> No, thank
you
L620[14:44:11] <EricPoehlsen> That's
India
L621[14:44:12] <madmerlyn> well there's
also the fact that Indian rocket engineers make what programming
interns in the US make
L623[14:45:22] <EricPoehlsen> well india
is very diverse and encompasses a great variety from some of the
worst an pprest slums in the world to some very progressive
scientific and technological centers
L624[14:46:12] <madmerlyn> yeah I was
correct originally with the 1.33t weight, because that includes the
bus that carried the payload
L625[14:46:49] <madmerlyn> dry mass
482.5kg, which means about 850kg of it is reaction mass
L626[14:49:20] <APlayer> "Mars Colour
Camera | 1.27 kg" but what do you need to do to a camera for
it to weigh 1.27 kg?
L627[14:49:29] <APlayer> Is it a
telescope?
L629[14:50:09] <madmerlyn> APlayer I have
a feeling cameras that need to survive months/years in space have
to be made a bit more resilient
L630[14:50:46] <APlayer> Sure, but you can
launch like 600 CMOS sensors with such a mass
L631[14:51:00] <APlayer> One of them
surely would survive long enough
L632[14:51:08] <madmerlyn> lens probably
has to have temperature control on it etc.
L633[14:52:21] <madmerlyn> heh the payload
fraction on the PSLV isn't great though.. the PSLV-XL is the
variant that launched MOM and it has a gross weight of 320t
L634[14:52:35] <madmerlyn> 320t launch
vehicle to put 1.332t in GTO essentially
L635[14:53:09] <madmerlyn> that's 0.4%
payload fraction
L636[14:53:55] <madmerlyn> however the
price was right, but India might consider contracting someone like
Rocketlabs, if they ever look to do payloads larger than
250kg
L637[14:54:35] <umaxtu> speaking of RL,
didn't they say something about a new kick-stage?
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L643[15:02:40] <APlayer> What I've been
wondering about is, how appropriate would it be to just fill out
their form and request a payload user's guide to create a KSP
replica?
L644[15:03:37] <madmerlyn> you don't need
their materials for that, most of the information about their
rocket is already available
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L646[15:04:03] <madmerlyn> 150kg nominal
payload, 225kg max, 500km nominal orbit, 10.5t gross pad
weight
L647[15:04:19] <EricPoehlsen> technically
the website contains enough information and graphical reference to
create the parts
L648[15:04:30] <APlayer> But that would
get me a list of all information they give their customers, I
guess
L649[15:04:46] <madmerlyn> 1.2m diameter,
9 rutherford engines, total height 17m
L650[15:05:08] <madmerlyn> 162kN thrust
ASL
L651[15:05:14] <umaxtu> do they have any
details on the kick-stage though? this was the first I'd heard of
it
L653[15:05:42] <madmerlyn> 22kN vacuum
thrust on second stage, 333 isp
L654[15:05:50] <madmerlyn> 1 rutherford
engine
L655[15:06:02] <madmerlyn> the first
launch didn't fail because there was something wrong with the
rocket btw
L656[15:06:37] <madmerlyn> it was aborted
because the communications equipment on the ground (provided by
third party) lost connection to the rocket and safety protocol
mandates abort when communication is lost
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L658[15:06:55] <umaxtu> madmerlyn, the
kick stage isn't the 2nd stage apparently. it uses a Curie
engine
L660[15:08:48] <madmerlyn> I imagine it's
mostly the same as the original design, just with a multiple start
engine
L661[15:08:55] <madmerlyn> which all
engines in KSP are multiple start
L662[15:08:58] <madmerlyn> except
SRBs
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am off for today
L667[15:12:16] <APlayer> See you!
L668[15:13:30] <madmerlyn> I imagine an
approximation of the Electron would involve a T800+T400 first stage
with 9 Sparks on the bottom of it, and a T400 with 1 spark as the
upper stage
L669[15:14:25] <Supernovy> I made the
Electron in KSP before it was cool. Too bad I didn't get a
screenshot of it.
L670[15:15:41] <madmerlyn> spark isn't
quite the same 22kN as the Rutherford, but Kerbin is also a lot
less massive than Earth so the 14 or whatever should be fine
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L672[15:15:53] <madmerlyn> although
Spark's ASL thrust is much weaker, so maybe that wouldn't work so
well
L673[15:16:21] <madmerlyn> oh actually it
would be about right
L674[15:16:30] <madmerlyn> 16.88kN ASL,
20kN vacuum
L675[15:18:13] <madmerlyn> alternatively,
could use 1 spark on the node, and then 8x radially attached
twitches clipped inward
L676[15:18:19] <Supernovy> Darn, no, I
can't find a screenshot. But if I remember I used RLA stockalike
0.625 engines.
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L678[15:19:53] <madmerlyn> do that on a
1.25m rocket for small .625 payloads
L679[15:20:06] <madmerlyn> maybe I'll make
one tonight :D
L680[15:20:25] <madmerlyn> though for a
career it would be more expensive than just slapping a Reliant on
there heh
L681[15:20:36] <madmerlyn> reliant is what
like 1200 funds
L682[15:20:51] <madmerlyn> 9
sparks/twitches would run a bit more than that
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L724[15:52:04] <Draconiator> What do the
colors mean on the aerodynamic forced overlay? Blue is lift, red
drag, but what about the otgher colors?
L725[15:52:50] <Fluburtur> yellow is
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L731[16:18:29] <madmerlyn> I still don't
understand the justification for media providers pricing on demand
1 time viewing movies at $4.99 but you can go redbox it for
$1.50
L732[16:18:46] <madmerlyn> like redbox has
streaming now, you can stream it for $5 or rent it for $1.50
L733[16:19:03] <madmerlyn> that's an
awfully high convenience fee
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L759[18:28:48] <UmbralRaptor>
stabbity?
L760[18:32:53] <Supernovy> I think the
plural is "ottomans" not "ottomen"
L761[18:34:47] <Supercheese> gotta work
with the joke
L762[18:35:28] <madmerlynx> just got
called a "solar panel salesman" for making a logical
argument as to why putting a 30% tariff on solar panels from China
is bad >.>
L763[18:45:15] <TheKosmonaut> madmerlynx:
I suppose there are worst things to be called
L764[18:45:26] <TheKosmonaut> Worse
L765[18:45:45] <madmerlynx> guy claimed
they're being subsidized by China and that's why domestic
manufacturers are non-competitive
L766[18:46:28] <madmerlynx> reality is,
China invested in the manufacturing infrastructure so they could be
competitive while the domestic market pretended that renewables
were a passing fad, and only in the last decade or so has US
investment started to ramp up
L767[18:46:57] <madmerlynx> and the tariff
will hurt more American jobs than anything else as the price hikes
drive customers away
L768[18:49:10] <Azander> just wait for the
tarriffs on auto parts that is coming if the current administration
doesn't figure out a new NAFTA
L769[18:51:14] <TheKosmonaut> Free
market!*
L770[18:51:25] <TheKosmonaut> *terms and
conditions apply
L771[18:51:51] <Azander> the large print
givith, the fine print taketh away
L772[18:51:54] <UmbralRaptor> *free 30 day
trial
L773[18:51:55] <TheKosmonaut> Without
delving into politics, protectionism is only going to hurt us in
the long run
L774[18:52:02] <madmerlynx> ^
L775[18:52:02] <Azander> yep
L776[18:52:28] <TheKosmonaut> That or
China will just buy out properties and build automated factories
somewhere in US territory
L777[18:52:58] <madmerlynx> cheap chinese
solar panels aren't the problem, lack of funding in renewables (or
I should withdrawal of funding for fossil industries) is the
problem
L778[18:53:01] <Fluburtur> tbh peoples in
france are worried that chinese dudes are buying a lot of wine
land
L779[18:53:04] <Fluburtur> and
castles
L780[18:53:06] <Fluburtur> and stuff
L781[18:53:28] <madmerlynx> we would
probably already have a huge domestic solar panel manufacturing
base if there wasn't so much cheap money being made drilling for
oil and fracking natural gas
L782[18:53:44] <Azander> probably
L783[18:53:58] <Azander> or the coal
bailouts
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L785[18:54:33] <madmerlynx> coal is dying
out due to market change, it needs to be defunded. Coal should be
used for metallurgy only, it's the only value it has
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L788[18:54:59] <madmerlynx> natural gas is
superior, less dangerous to acquire, and in most situations less
environmentally destructive, though fracking has its own
issues
L789[18:55:19] <madmerlynx> natural gas
was going to displace all the coal mines even if there wasn't that
whole climate change situation
L790[18:55:52] *
Azander is from coal country and I agree
L791[18:55:56] *
UmbralRaptor is vaguely bitter that the highest paying job he ever
had was coal related.
L792[18:55:59] <TheKosmonaut> Just wait
till we learn how to harvest energy from humans
L793[18:56:19] <madmerlynx> playing too
much Stellaris Kosmo
L794[18:56:25] <TheKosmonaut> I know Kung
Fu
L795[18:56:41] <madmerlynx> I do have to
say though, doing the "Matrix" as a machine empire in
Stellaris is quite efficient
L796[18:57:01] <UmbralRaptor> (You know
about the ash spill at Kingston TN? I was a random CAD technician
involved in the replacement system)
L797[18:57:16] <madmerlynx> you can put
all your special tiles on a tile with organic energy producers and
still get the special affect as its technically "staffed"
but also get that 6 energy production
L798[18:58:01] <madmerlynx> once I got a
good stock of organics I started using them for energy and just
trade with one of the trader stations for minerals as needed
L799[18:58:55] <madmerlynx> so I made my
own kerbal approximation of the Electron rocket, has avionics on
both stages so the first stage can deorbit itself if
necessary
L800[18:59:18] <madmerlynx> even has
similar weight to the real one, 10,385kg
L801[18:59:55] <Supernovy> Well at least
it wasn't Centralia.
L802[18:59:56] <madmerlynx> however due to
the fact that Kerbin is not Earth, it can put 1.25t-ish into a
500km orbit, instead of just 150kg :P
L803[19:00:40] <madmerlynx> it's actually
quite inexpensive, total cost including the 2 probe cores is only
6515
L804[19:01:07] <madmerlynx> I mean that's
like 5.8k funds per ton so not great, but pretty cheap for a small
launch
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L807[19:21:05] <kmath> YouTube - kOS
Tutorial 02 - Landing Near the Space Center
L808[19:26:41] <Mathuin> Next time I won't
bother typing that stuff in. :-) It's one of the few videos which
focuses on landing on Kerbin. Most focus on Mun.
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L813[19:33:47] <Mathuin> This guy's design
is very state-machine heavy. There's too many magic numbers in the
script for me, personally, but he's got some good ideas.
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looking for. :-)
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L827[21:04:32] <Draconiator> People come
up with...interestingf names for Linux programs...
L828[21:05:27] <Fluburtur> man we're going
into hardcore stuff for that rocket pwoered me 163
L829[21:05:38] <Fluburtur> we want cooling
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L830[21:05:50] <Fluburtur> and then
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L844[23:02:43] <ConductorCat> Exploding
smartphone propelled rocket.
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