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L3[00:09:46] <Guest31687> Unity Player [version: Unity 5.4.0p4_b15b5ae035b7] mono.dll caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005) in module mono.dll at 0023:100704db. Error occurred at 2018-01-23_193314. D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program\KSP.exe, run by Caprica. 25% memory in use. 0 MB physical memory [0 MB free]. 0 MB paging file [0 MB free]. 0 MB user address space [2773 MB free]. Read from location 00000000 caused an access violation. Context: EDI:
L4[00:10:09] <UmbralRaptor> okay…
L5[00:10:36] <Guest31687> hi guys ksp isnt launching anymore it was working fine a few weeks ago
L6[00:11:32] <Guest31687> ive tried verifying the cashe in steam and uninstalling and reinstalling any ideas
L7[00:13:05] <UmbralRaptor> any mods? try seeing what files (if any) are left over after an uninstall?
L8[00:14:16] <Guest31687> just mechjeb
L9[00:16:08] <UmbralRaptor> Unsure, especially since 1.3.1 came out in October.
L10[00:17:19] <Guest31687> yeah got me stumped
L11[00:17:52] <Guest31687> can i launch the game as vanilla?
L12[00:18:10] <Althego> it doesnt need steam in any way
L13[00:18:57] <UmbralRaptor> ^can just copy everything into another directory
L14[00:19:34] <Althego> but i think if it fails already, and cant be repaired, the cause is something external, like video or sound driver or something
L15[00:20:44] <Guest31687> althego what do you mean? can i launch the game outside of steam if thats where i bought it
L16[00:21:06] <Althego> yes
L17[00:21:39] <Althego> steam just installs it for you, but not used in any way
L18[00:22:04] <Althego> as umbralraptor said, you can copy the directory away and have a working copy without steam
L19[00:24:46] <Guest31687> do you know how i would update the drivers
L20[00:25:12] <Althego> that was just an idea, unfounded. if it was working until recently chances are an update broke it
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L30[01:04:31] <Althego> we are doomed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwGeCfWc100
L31[01:04:31] <kmath> YouTube - The End of the Habitable Zone | Space Time
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L50[02:54:19] <Mat2ch> Althego: and the end will be slow and painful
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L58[03:26:11] <Althego> and actually not too far away
L59[03:26:20] <Althego> life has been here for around 4 billion years
L60[03:26:31] <Althego> the sun will be here for several billion years
L61[03:26:44] <Althego> yet life will be gone from earth ina few hundred million years at best
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L64[04:01:56] <Althego> 08:07 < Guy-> 07:55 <@dejdo> So we dont control security patches, that is purely up to Sec team who in their infinite wisdom pushed out M$ patches for meltdown / spectre... we currently we
L65[04:02:00] <Althego> have 1,738 laptops that will not boot.
L66[04:02:02] <Althego> 08:07 < Guy-> 07:55 <@dejdo> To be fair, those laptops are pretty damn secure right now. :P
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L87[05:52:52] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/81a03c9afebfc040397100d57bdf192b/tumblr_inline_p2f3w5lXTe1s7fs7q_500.jpg
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L89[06:04:00] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/dac70c40196b98d31a3226c3b93933f8/tumblr_p2tn0byNSa1tfsdz5o1_540.jpg
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L91[06:05:33] <Althego> hehe
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L93[06:10:07] <Fluburtur> “What if raccoons figured out the secret to starting fires?” is the scariest hypothetical question my dad has ever posed
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L95[06:12:05] <BadRocketsCo> Hullo
L96[06:12:15] <Fluburtur> yo
L97[06:13:26] <BadRocketsCo> Fluburtur: what's up?
L98[06:13:33] <Fluburtur> not much
L99[06:13:52] <Fluburtur> I made some more modelling for the rocket engine yesterday then realised it was useless
L100[06:14:09] <BadRocketsCo> How so?
L101[06:14:39] <Fluburtur> https://i.imgur.com/YSOCQ3c.jpg
L102[06:14:47] <Fluburtur> "what a nice cooling duct"
L103[06:14:57] <Fluburtur> but the motor was made to be very narrow to fit in a plane
L104[06:15:30] <Fluburtur> then I realised I could jsut wrap the hot parts in cloth like in cat exhaust pipes
L105[06:17:55] <BadRocketsCo> Heh
L106[06:17:58] <BadRocketsCo> Makes sense
L107[06:18:22] <Fluburtur> yeah
L108[06:18:25] <Fluburtur> car*
L109[06:18:26] <Fluburtur> wtf
L110[06:19:32] <Fluburtur> I guess now I need to gather the needed parts, build a proto and then do math
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L115[06:28:49] <BadRocketsCo> I wonder if you could measure it's thrust by setting it onto a kitchen scale
L116[06:28:56] <BadRocketsCo> Heh
L117[06:29:14] <BadRocketsCo> Changing to wifi
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L120[06:29:36] <BadRocketsCo> Aand back
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L122[06:31:01] <Fluburtur> maybe but I would want a more accurate test rig
L123[06:31:05] <Fluburtur> that can log data too
L124[06:31:12] <Fluburtur> so like arduino and stuff
L125[06:33:36] <Fluburtur> exept I really don't know how I could get the chamber presure
L126[06:33:44] <Fluburtur> and I think that's needed to calculate the nozzle
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L128[06:53:10] <Draconiator> I wonder...I have KSP on Steam...so would it be possible to get it on my Xbox 360 since I already own it on one platform?
L129[06:56:42] <TheKosmonaut> Separate games
L130[06:57:47] <TheKosmonaut> Also. Not on the 360
L131[06:58:10] <Althego> the console version is sold as a different game
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L134[07:19:53] <Draconiator> https://gyazo.com/9c6b96304efc23f67228960fd911ff60 - I guess I answered my own question...I wondered how the B2 can get away with not having a vertical stablizer. so I built something similar, and the thing is suprisingly stable.
L135[07:28:02] <Fluburtur> differential drag and drag rudders
L136[07:28:29] <Fluburtur> I flew some of my flting wings without any vertical stab
L137[07:28:42] <Fluburtur> they fly very well at speed but become yaw unstale at low speed
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L157[08:31:47] <UmbralRaptor> Want to write software for a space telescope? https://rn11.ultipro.com/SPA1004/JobBoard/JobDetails.aspx?__ID=*DD2AB581D9B700E9
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L159[08:34:25] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/a775f2e669d604c141f66be2d8bbe2be.png - fLAT kERBIN IDIOTS...
L160[08:34:35] <Draconiator> oops caps
L161[08:36:02] <madmerlyn> hey if all 17 flat earthers collectively strapped themselves to home-made rockets I wouldn't stop them
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L163[08:38:31] <madmerlyn> https://i.imgur.com/2ib6qtk.jpg
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L165[08:51:26] <RandomJeb> did that flat earther ever get permission to kill himself in that bottle rocket?
L166[08:52:29] <RandomJeb> did he learn to not blow his chute full of holes with debris from the chute release?
L167[08:54:46] <cringe> https://imgur.com/gallery/nEBr5
L168[08:55:06] <cringe> what the heck kmath
L169[08:55:16] <cringe> wheres me title
L170[08:55:36] <RandomJeb> kmath is kill
L171[08:55:49] <madmerlyn> someone should make a custom Factorio controller (lul)
L172[08:57:14] <RandomJeb> I like this KSP controller, should've had one more blue action button and a switch to flip between 1-5 and 6-10
L173[08:59:46] * darsie put an outpost on the Mun and recovered the first stage.
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L182[09:45:53] <Althego> https://imgur.com/gallery/nEBr5
L183[09:47:10] <hoglahoo> fun
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L185[09:53:45] <GlassYuri> so I asked google translate what "do you ship to japan" would be in chinese
L186[09:53:55] <GlassYuri> and yes, it did exactly what you think
L187[09:54:17] <GlassYuri> although it was only as an alternate translation
L188[09:56:00] <EricPoehlsen> If I consult Google Translate I normally do a double translation - english > target / result > english
L189[09:56:06] <Eclipser> what's that then
L190[09:56:29] <EricPoehlsen> if the second translation is acceptable and not completely of, I accept the result
L191[09:57:01] <GlassYuri> Eclipser, you + ship (the vehicle) + japan
L192[09:59:45] <Fluburtur> good
L193[09:59:56] <Fluburtur> I got batteries for my precision scale and pitch gauge
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L198[10:20:02] <madmerlyn> I love how the default behavior for just about every nurse in our company is to immediately disconnect me when I remote their machine after THEY open a ticket
L199[10:20:23] <madmerlyn> I'm sorry, did you not just open a support ticket? too busy for me to fix your computer?
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L204[10:56:35] <Draconiator> I love how the default behavior for just about every nurse in our company is to immediately disconnect me - Good thing I kept reading...
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L214[11:26:47] <madmerlyn> it's just frustrating when they open tickets for miniscule problems that would normally take 45 seconds to fix, but they also think that any action taken to fix the piddly problem is a huge interference on their workflow
L215[11:27:36] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: welcome to my life... from last week
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L217[11:28:20] <ve2dmn> (We moved down the hall, now I don't have the same neighboors anymore)
L218[11:28:45] <madmerlyn> I'm annoyed with the ratios on factorio already and I've only played for like an hour
L219[11:29:20] <ve2dmn> Ratio of mineral X to item Y ^
L220[11:29:23] <ve2dmn> ?
L221[11:29:26] <madmerlyn> stone furnace eats .28 iron ore second, but electric drill outputs .53, which if you multiply by 100 to try to factor a ratio.. is a prime number
L222[11:29:47] <madmerlyn> which means I can't properly feed 2 furnaces with 1 electric drill
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L224[11:30:44] <madmerlyn> I'm going to have either a shortage or an overflow with any reasonable number of drills and furances, and then if I go up to a steel furnace
L225[11:30:49] <madmerlyn> 0.57 ore/sec
L226[11:30:58] <madmerlyn> there is NO parity
L227[11:31:19] <ve2dmn> That's because it's HARDCORE MODE, just like life
L228[11:31:26] <madmerlyn> or is this website just doing some weird math with the floats
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L230[11:32:23] <madmerlyn> I suppose it could be inconsistent rounding with floats
L231[11:32:51] <ve2dmn> I got deep into Anno 2205, but checking out the Wikis and various ressources online, it seems people became uninterested and didn't bother
L232[11:34:01] <ve2dmn> Kind of sad. It seems instead of making the game harder, they made everything automated and created more random events
L233[11:34:26] <madmerlyn> tonight I'm doing my taxes before I boot up any games, been procrastinating too long
L234[11:34:32] <madmerlyn> probably play factorio though
L235[11:34:46] <madmerlyn> think it'll be a while yet before I get back to nightly KSP
L236[11:34:48] <ve2dmn> I don't have the proper stuff to do my taxes yet
L237[11:34:56] <madmerlyn> couple missions per week is enough KSP for me atm
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L239[11:35:31] <ve2dmn> https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7ss65r/i_accidentally_merged_jebediah_with_the_fabric_of/
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L241[11:36:02] <madmerlyn> well I don't have enough income from my dividends to worry about filing them (as I haven't sold any stock) and I have everythign I need to calculate my bitcoin gains as well as my W2
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L243[11:36:18] <madmerlyn> I made like $4 in dividends last year lol
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L245[11:37:05] <madmerlyn> portfolio gained about 15% though, I'm a bit tenuous about whether I should keep riding it or not because of long term concerns with recent legislation
L246[11:37:12] <ve2dmn> The software I normaly use to make my taxes isn't in stores yet
L247[11:37:49] <madmerlyn> I use TaxAct online, I might check out TurboTax this year though
L248[11:38:16] <ve2dmn> I hate Intuit as a company, but, sadly, they make the best software for the local market
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L250[11:42:00] <ve2dmn> Not to go into politics, but if it wasn't for Intuit we would have Opt-Out instead of Fill-In taxes
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L253[11:47:14] <JCB> Ve2dmn well.. at least you didn't send the world spinning so fast, it starts doing weird phasing things
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L256[11:54:09] <madmerlyn> why does everyone on reddit keep talking about "kovarex" in factorio? is that Uranium?
L257[11:56:26] <madmerlyn> man a lot of the lingo is strange
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L259[11:56:54] <Fluburtur> I just got stellaris
L260[11:57:02] <madmerlyn> like sushi kinda makes sense, but what the heck is a shopping mall? just a mini factory that outputs a lot of different products?
L261[12:00:25] <ve2dmn> JCB: I'm not the author of the reddit post
L262[12:00:42] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: see you next month then
L263[12:00:51] <Fluburtur> I guess
L264[12:01:02] <Fluburtur> it's interesting but I need some time to learn it
L265[12:01:06] <ve2dmn> A game is like 10-25hours
L266[12:02:35] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: https://wiki.factorio.com/Glossary
L267[12:02:44] <JCB> ve2dmn I kind of figured.. was more a general statement. I've seen some weird graphics glitches in other people's videos. The reddit post was rather sublime than most
L268[12:02:50] <Draconiator> Apparently, not reorienting your camera on takeoff and while maneuvering is not good for the VAB's health....haha
L269[12:02:58] <ve2dmn> "Kovarex: The founding father of Factorio and where Kovarex enrichment process gets its name from."
L270[12:03:52] <ve2dmn> JCB: That post reminded me of 2001
L271[12:05:18] <JCB> eh.. Stellaris.. I would love to get it, but after seeing Manley's playthough... I might be a little nervous of my health if I were to play it. :\
L272[12:05:36] <JCB> well, more mental health really
L273[12:05:50] <ve2dmn> JCB: what do you mean?
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L275[12:07:20] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/406147852235046912/washington-dc-washington-ac-meme.png
L276[12:08:55] <JCB> Fluburtur the spire looks to be holding up quite alright in either case :)
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L278[12:19:18] <JCB> ve2dmn you can have a race of foxes, they look very much like fennecs... I happen to have a fennec companion, who is already pretty old now. (10 years) The combination of the death alert notice being so sudden, sometimes Scotts reaction to finding out, and the idea that some day I may wake up and my little guy won't...
L279[12:19:38] <ve2dmn> Ha...
L280[12:20:06] <ve2dmn> But that's just 1 race among a ton... You can play as space birds if you want to
L281[12:20:18] <Althego> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/399309813713993730/406140444586803200/image.jpg?width=411&height=545 look, a gas mask
L282[12:21:14] <ve2dmn> TIL that Fennec can be pets
L283[12:22:47] <JCB> heh.. hadn't really been too fond of birds, no offence
L284[12:23:32] <JCB> I say companion in my case.. because he's more than just a pet...
L285[12:35:02] <madmerlyn> Fennec can be pets but they're not really domesticated. Many groups consider it inhumane to keep them as pets
L286[12:35:17] <madmerlyn> they more or less tolerate living with humans
L287[12:36:45] <madmerlyn> I'd rather have a coon myself. They're not domesticated either but I think they're pretty happy to not have to scavenge for their food heh
L288[12:38:59] <Draconiator> I have so many AA batteries I can afford to keep my wireless mouse on all the time now.
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L290[12:40:51] <madmerlyn> rechargables
L291[12:41:23] <Mathuin> Draconiator: we finally ran out, need to go shopping. We turn the keyboard and mouse off as a poor attempt at childproofing. :-)
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L296[12:47:10] <Draconiator> I use rechargables for my Xbox 360 controller, my wirreless mouse lasts a lot longer anyway, I've been using those el-cheapo Carbon-Zinc ones and they last about a week.
L297[12:50:32] <JCB> I'm not looking for domestication...
L298[12:52:26] <JCB> Its more the social aspect... my first one would insist she'd sleep with me at night or sometimes nap together for a little bit during the day. My current doesn't mind sleeping with me, he'll happily enjoy the warmth.
L299[12:55:37] <oren> madmerlyn: to be fair "more or less tolerate humans" is a good description of some cats
L300[12:56:12] <madmerlyn> cats are actually domesticated though
L301[12:56:20] <oren> madmerlyn: ... sort of
L302[12:56:35] <madmerlyn> nah they're a domesticated species
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L304[12:57:20] <madmerlyn> they have strange personalities sometimes, but that's more a product of how they came to become domesticated than anything. Dogs are the way they are because humans selectively bred them to domesticate them
L305[12:57:46] <madmerlyn> cats kinda just showed up one day chasing the vermin that liked to live around humans and eventually got let indoors
L306[12:58:24] <madmerlyn> one was more of an active domestication and the other was more passive
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L312[13:07:56] <RandomJeb> <oren> madmerlyn: to be fair "more or less tolerate humans" is a good description of some cats <-- this is a cultural problem and not something inherent to catkin
L313[13:08:30] <RandomJeb> people get cats and then just keep them as some kind of semi-feral pet that isn't trained to do anything but pee in the sandbox
L314[13:08:57] <madmerlyn> well you don't really train cats to do anything, you just give them affection and play with them
L315[13:09:03] <oren> RandomJeb: well, my friend's cat is also trained to kill everything
L316[13:09:10] <madmerlyn> only utility they really have is killing bugs and vermin
L317[13:09:29] <oren> mice, rats, sometimes sparrows
L318[13:09:42] <madmerlyn> you don't train them to do that, that's just instinct though
L319[13:09:54] <RandomJeb> I've trained my cat to obey a lot of useful and not so useful commands that any mammalian pet should know like come, sit, stay and heel
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L321[13:10:07] <madmerlyn> my cat that had to be put down last year was great at dealing with insects, even flies
L322[13:10:39] <madmerlyn> I've never seen a cat that sits or stays on command, that sounds like an insane amount of work to train
L323[13:10:46] <RandomJeb> it's not
L324[13:10:47] <RandomJeb> again
L325[13:10:48] <RandomJeb> cultural issue
L326[13:10:51] <RandomJeb> you assume so
L327[13:10:53] <RandomJeb> so it becomes so
L328[13:11:13] <RandomJeb> they're almost as smart as dogs
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L331[13:12:00] <madmerlyn> I saw my cat once bat a fly out of mid-air from a stationary sitting position and eat it
L332[13:12:08] <ve2dmn> btw, I never trained any cat to use the kitty litter. They do it automatically
L333[13:12:59] <oren> the main thing you need to train them for is to scratch the right thing
L334[13:13:09] <ve2dmn> Basically
L335[13:13:24] <oren> (or just have cheap furniture and don't give a shit)
L336[13:13:38] <ve2dmn> Also, what kind of animal your prefer reveal a lot about what type of character your have
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L338[13:14:58] <RandomJeb> if I had the climate and could afford it and it was legal here I'd have a few elephants
L339[13:15:36] <ve2dmn> RandomJeb: I have to agree that they are interesting
L340[13:15:57] <madmerlyn> I think scratch training is fairly straight forward, get a scratch post and put catnip on it, show it to them
L341[13:16:06] <RandomJeb> they could do so much farm work around here, we're in an almost stalemate with the trees
L342[13:17:23] <ve2dmn> Of course, if I could REALLY choose my type of pet, it would be a house hippo or a Mimmoth
L343[13:18:03] <oren> ve2dmn: lol mimmoth
L344[13:18:21] <oren> they should make plush mimmoths
L345[13:18:40] <ve2dmn> ... I see someone got the reference
L346[13:21:27] <ve2dmn> oren: it seems someone did: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/497799445/mimmoth-spheribeast-made-to-order?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=mimmoth&ref=sr_gallery-1-1
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L348[13:23:51] <ve2dmn> House hippo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBfi8OEz0rA
L349[13:23:51] <kmath> YouTube - House Hippo
L350[13:27:48] <JCB> I ended up with the fennec just because of how things fell into place. It wasn't actually planned. I'd been considering a fox, a red actually, but then found it wasn't really going to work. Lady had a fennec looking for a home and asked if would consider instead.
L351[13:28:15] <JCB> in my case.. having both my fuzz butts was the best thing to happen to me in my life.
L352[13:28:46] <madmerlyn> there are actual domesticated red foxes from a breeder in Russia now, but they're crazy expensive
L353[13:29:07] <Althego> http://warpology.com/k/science.png finally a science plane that can take thoise above 16 km contractrs
L354[13:29:29] <madmerlyn> an interesting thing to note, undomesticated red foxes all pretty much have the same tails and fur colors, but the domesticated ones have a lot of variety in tails and fur colors
L355[13:29:34] <madmerlyn> much like dogs and cats
L356[13:30:01] <JCB> I've a friend who I think has actually gottne one of the slightly more domesticated reds... it was after his own red passed on a year or so ago
L357[13:30:13] <ve2dmn> At this point both cat and dogs are engineered creatures.
L358[13:30:22] <JCB> I'm a little mixed feelings on the domesticated side of things though..
L359[13:30:56] <JCB> the truely domesticated species, when you really look at it, is humans
L360[13:31:07] <RandomJeb> they found some correlation between developing different markings and spots and breeding for less aggression but no causative link iirc, very interesting
L361[13:31:14] <ve2dmn> Like, what's the "Natural Habitat" of a poodle?.... a House.
L362[13:31:18] <RandomJeb> not sure if they're still studying or if they're just breeding them now
L363[13:31:31] <JCB> randomjeb last I heard, been issues with importing now
L364[13:32:20] <JCB> they also realized that part of the proccess of domestication, not just in foxes, mostly dogs, is that doing so, we've ended up retaining a number of 'baby' traits as the animal grew older
L365[13:33:45] <madmerlyn> of course there are no natural pugs, humans have been selectively breeding dogs longer than we've been engaging in agriculture
L366[13:33:48] <ve2dmn> That is also true of cats. A kitten asks for food and attention, but a wild adult is mostly silent
L367[13:34:11] <JCB> the russian project, they were trying to see if they could breed out the agressiveness in foxes, to allow them to be handled easier for the fur farm industry. The results were rather unexpected. They weren't sure if the fur farms could make use of the changes to the animals because things were so wildly changing. After word got out, interest in the foxes as pets started growing
L368[13:34:58] <Althego> hah scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7jn9VApYqU
L369[13:34:58] <kmath> YouTube - Green Rocket Fuels - Safer & Better Than Hydrazine (lol!)
L370[13:35:03] <ve2dmn> I do remember a book where someone enginereed a deadly virus that kill all dogs and wolves, but was mostly harmless to humans (who were vectors of contaimination)
L371[13:35:36] <ve2dmn> In the end, they had to move the 8 remaining dogs to a remote island
L372[13:36:11] <JCB> actually foxes as pets isn't a new thing either.. a grave was found with human remains, bones and that of a fox. Whats interesting is, they found the remains of both had been carefully moved and placed back together at another site nearby. Probably meaning that someone knew there was some significance of the two being together.
L373[13:36:23] <ve2dmn> And one insane rich lady who really wanted her poodle back, went there to capture a dog (therefore killing the rest of them)
L374[13:37:41] <JCB> I wouldn't mind a desk weasel... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2CTVqt2wxU
L375[13:37:41] <kmath> YouTube - Ozzy the adorable desk weasel.
L376[13:38:37] <ve2dmn> The social effect of all the dogs suddenly dying all at once was... interesting
L377[13:38:54] <Althego> https://scontent-vie1-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/6d59b6079cd4852017339872b3384883/5AEE70EF/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/24177482_2091290401099274_5198104888629788672_n.jpg
L378[13:39:04] <ve2dmn> Of course, it was the author imagination. Who knows what would really happen in such a context
L379[13:41:06] <madmerlyn> 8 dogs on an island wouldn't survive anyway heh they already have enough genetic problems
L380[13:45:34] <ve2dmn> In the story, it was all that was left. It was a last-resort thing
L381[13:45:48] <JCB> Hmm... kind of hard to place when animal domestication became a thing in North America... for something I've been mulling over as a project for some time.
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L383[13:47:52] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: also, it's a book. She could have said 40, or 400, it didn't really matter. 1 idiot who didn't follow the rules contaminated them
L384[13:49:31] <JCB> was it an insta-death thing or more, catch a cold.. slowly withered and died off?
L385[13:50:00] <ve2dmn> (I think the author was Anne McCaffrey)
L386[13:50:10] <ve2dmn> Dead within 4-5 days
L387[13:50:45] <ve2dmn> Think Ebola, but for dogs with humans has carriers without symptoms
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L389[13:52:44] <ve2dmn> Since it's a sci-fi story, Extraterrestrials were involved, but first contact was 400 years prior or something, so they were just another character in the story
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L391[13:55:04] <JCB> heh something of a story idea I've been working on myself. Otherworldly beings, coming by, but mostly to collect data, a number of samples. By the time humanity has started reaching the stars, they soon discover another world, with earth animals on it.. but there's been.. a few changes to them.
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L394[13:57:33] <Supernovy> I've always liked the idea that the thing that makes humanity unique in the universe is our bangin' tunes. As in, no other alien music can compare to even the blandest Earth pop-rock.
L395[13:57:53] <madmerlyn> maybe music doesn't exist anywhere else
L396[13:58:14] <madmerlyn> "you use noise for entertainment? Stupid meat-bags."
L397[13:58:54] <JCB> I don't know if we should just look for things that make us unique from everything else.. I'd like to see both unique and common... who knows. Maybe music is a common thing like math
L398[13:59:32] <madmerlyn> I don't think we're looking for things that make us unique, I think we're looking for anything else to be out there
L399[14:00:00] <madmerlyn> Milky Way, speak to us
L400[14:00:52] <Supernovy> I wouldn't think making rhythmic noises for entertainment would be uncommon, just that we'd be better at it.
L401[14:01:12] <madmerlyn> "those humans on Earth are trying to communicate with us again. What should we do?" "Continue radio silence, they are so stupid they're literally eating laundry detergent. Nothing good will come from communicating with them."
L402[14:01:40] <oren> I have no confidence that intelligent life is something that even exists within our hubble volume
L403[14:01:42] <Supernovy> Usually sci-fi makes Humans the less advanced race, or the middle-ground race, but as I recall there was only one ever book that made us the music race.
L404[14:02:09] <JCB> lol.. music race, and i just poked my nose into Macross recently
L405[14:02:11] <madmerlyn> hubble volume?
L406[14:02:25] <madmerlyn> like you don't think there's life anywhere the hubble can see? because that's a pretty large swatch of space
L407[14:02:28] <JCB> hubble volume is the visible area of the universe we can currently see
L408[14:03:00] <madmerlyn> I find it highly improbable that there isn't any other intelligent life in that area
L409[14:03:10] <Supernovy> I think it's more to do with the constant than the space telescope. At a guess.
L410[14:03:15] <JCB> something about, there comes a point in space, so far out there, that light from that point will never reach us, space is expanding too fast
L411[14:03:40] <ve2dmn> Supernovy: reference to Year 0 ?
L412[14:03:55] <madmerlyn> we're talking about millions of galaxies
L413[14:05:20] <Supernovy> Yeah that's Hubble constant.
L414[14:05:26] <madmerlyn> extremely unlikely that there isn't at least another civilization out there. Whether any civilizations are ever capable of interstellar travel is another issue altogether, but I don't think it's probable that we're unique in being the only species in a few billion light years radius that is intelligent enough to develop agriculture
L415[14:05:27] <JCB> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjK26Tf9PPYAhUN6mMKHbe2Cw8QFghnMAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHubble_volume&usg=AOvVaw3JZtngLFhsXPu-ODP98sLC
L416[14:07:08] <JCB> currently, from our understanding, this is what htings look like when you get out far enough to see things: http://www.kaheel7.com/userimages/universr-colomn.JPG
L417[14:07:31] <JCB> to give you a scale of things, each of those points of lights is a super cluster of galaxies.
L418[14:08:21] <madmerlyn> which means an unfathomable number of stars, and we already know planets are super common, so an even greater unfathomable number of planets
L419[14:09:05] <madmerlyn> on a scale that large it's statistically impossible we're alone
L420[14:09:12] <JCB> more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_filament
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L422[14:13:51] <Draconiator> so we're actually living in some gind of extremely collosal cobweb...heh
L423[14:14:39] <madmerlyn> nah we're living on an electron from an atom of a piece of dust stuck to the cobweb
L424[14:20:02] <JCB> I don't know about us.. but htey have found 3 of these formations so far
L425[14:20:18] <JCB> don't forget.. scale can go both ways too
L426[14:23:44] <ve2dmn> Supernovy: I was referencing https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12953520-year-zero
L427[14:27:51] <Supernovy> Yeah I think that's the one I was thinking of, I couldn't remember the name.
L428[14:28:10] <madmerlyn> https://imgur.com/gallery/F9V5r
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L443[15:00:09] <zilti> Ahh that nice moment when you run out of RCS fuel and your probe dives head-first into the atmosphere...
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L445[15:01:08] <JCB> huh.. watching video of STS-65 on rentry from inside the cabin.. full coms
L446[15:01:33] <JCB> they mentioned RCS monoprop... even though rcs on the shuttle is dual prop technically
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L448[15:08:51] <ve2dmn> zilti: last time it happened to me everything non essential burned up, but the core package and parachutes somehow survived...
L449[15:09:18] <ve2dmn> it came a bit too close to total disaster though
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L451[15:18:47] <zilti> ve2dmn: In my case sadly, the core overheated first ^^
L452[15:19:33] <zilti> Btw I'm still killing mod-by-mod to see what's causing the slowdowns - I already got rid of the ridiculous amounts of error messages in console, but that made no difference... I'm curious what it's gonna be
L453[15:19:37] <ve2dmn> Well... all the other times it was 'Poof! Poof! poof! It's all gone!'
L454[15:20:14] <ve2dmn> you would probably need something similar to 'git bissect'
L455[15:20:54] <ve2dmn> But "It's slow" is the worse problem to debug
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L458[15:22:19] <Draconiator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpr1y36XbQ4 - Well, someone stole my idea rofl
L459[15:22:19] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX Interplanetary Transport System in KSP
L460[15:22:23] <zilti> Mine went "Fliiiip.... smoke smoke SMOKE fireball short lag BOOM!"
L461[15:24:44] <Supercheese> So, a typical Tuesday at the KSC
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L463[15:29:15] <Draconiator> Kerbal 'Splosion Center, amirite?
L464[15:29:54] <Draconiator> "We explode, so you don't have to!"
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L466[15:29:59] <zilti> Heheh :D
L467[15:30:36] <zilti> Well, since I'm playing with Realism Overhaul and the year is 1954, it might as well be the actual... what was it back then? US Navy Space Department?
L468[15:31:16] <zilti> The one without von Braun
L469[15:31:51] <Supernovy> Space Task Group?
L470[15:32:06] <Supernovy> NACA?
L471[15:32:15] <Supernovy> I read a book on this but I can't for the life of me remember.
L472[15:33:15] <madmerlyn> yes NACA
L473[15:33:20] <zilti> Seeing how the NACA is the "direct predecessor of NASA", it probably was the one *with* von Braun
L474[15:33:23] <madmerlyn> National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics
L475[15:33:27] <zilti> ?
L476[15:34:24] <zilti> yes, NACA was where von Braun went
L477[15:34:27] <madmerlyn> all 8000 NACA employees became NASA employees when Eisenhower signed NASA
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L479[15:37:36] <madmerlyn> interesting https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/Innovative_Interstellar_Explorer_interstellar_space_probe_.jpg/800px-Innovative_Interstellar_Explorer_interstellar_space_probe_.jpg
L480[15:37:59] <madmerlyn> I'm guessing those are 3 ions being driven by RTG power?
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L482[15:38:35] <FltAdmVonSpiz> isnt interstellar flight on ion thrusters rather impractical
L483[15:38:38] <FltAdmVonSpiz> without a fryby or something
L484[15:39:33] <madmerlyn> depends on how long your reaction mass can hold out I suppose
L485[15:40:14] <madmerlyn> even if it's very low thrust, if the RTGs provide enough energy to run them constantly and the reaction mass lasts you could accelerate for quite a while
L486[15:40:43] <madmerlyn> I'm curious about the circular plate on that design though
L487[15:41:24] <madmerlyn> that image is on the NASA page but nothing on the page other than its caption mentions it
L488[15:41:26] <zilti> A "fryby" sounds like something you'd do in KSP
L489[15:41:48] <madmerlyn> also, why wouldn't they utilize slingshots on their way out?
L490[15:42:05] <FltAdmVonSpiz> you get onto a sun grazing orbit using a Jupiter Gravity assist, then dump all your delta-v at Perisol zilti
L491[15:43:07] <madmerlyn> found it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovative_Interstellar_Explorer
L492[15:43:37] <madmerlyn> also it says "precursor" right in the caption
L493[15:43:48] <madmerlyn> it's meant to go to interstellar space, but not go to another star
L494[15:43:56] <madmerlyn> just go out there and get data on the interstellar medium
L495[15:44:01] <zilti> The namefinding in space stuff got a bit "meh", no?
L496[15:44:27] <madmerlyn> zilti, I dunno, I think it's kinda.. Innovative.
L497[15:44:30] <madmerlyn> :P
L498[15:44:33] <zilti> :P
L499[15:44:47] <FltAdmVonSpiz> tbh isnt that going to be horrendously slow accelerating without something like an ASRG?
L500[15:45:08] <madmerlyn> again.. if you can constantly burn your engines, who cares
L501[15:45:09] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I saw a proposal for a Termination Shock mission using a fission frag rocket
L502[15:45:17] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but they will never let anyone fly one of those
L503[15:45:27] <madmerlyn> it's not like they're playing KSP and need to knock the burn out in 3 minutes
L504[15:45:45] <madmerlyn> if it needs to accelerate for 100days, and has the fuel to do it, that's what they'll do
L505[15:46:49] <madmerlyn> according to wiki with jupiter assist and ion drive a speed of about 7.9 AU/yr could be achieved by the time it ran out of xenon
L506[15:47:04] <madmerlyn> that's plenty fast for getting out into interstellar space
L507[15:47:21] <madmerlyn> still take 25 years or so
L508[15:47:45] <madmerlyn> but I doubt they'd do any better with a chemical rocket TBH
L509[15:48:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yeah chem engines are basically out of the question
L510[15:48:35] <FltAdmVonSpiz> pity we can't build a space elevator, that is a lot of free delta-V
L511[15:49:44] <oren> FltAdmVonSpiz: build a lofstrom loop instead
L512[15:50:22] <FltAdmVonSpiz> launch loop doesn't get you anything but orbit, with a space elevator you can take things to the top of the tether (above geosync) and let them go to get potentially silly velocities
L513[15:50:36] <FltAdmVonSpiz> like there was a projection with a Jovian assist you can go virtually anywhere int he system with negligible additional delta-V
L514[15:51:07] <madmerlyn> uh.. maybe if you had a really high altitude space elevator, but that is complete science fiction
L515[15:51:19] <madmerlyn> there is no material, real or imaginary that could survive that kind of stress
L516[15:51:19] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I'm hoping CCTs will come through
L517[15:51:24] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but I don't anticipate it working
L518[15:51:28] <madmerlyn> even flawless nanotubes wouldn't be able to go as high as you're talking
L519[15:51:31] <FltAdmVonSpiz> well the peak stress point would be at geosync either way
L520[15:51:38] <FltAdmVonSpiz> since stress will start decreasing again above that point
L521[15:51:46] <oren> FltAdmVonSpiz: lofstrom loop gets you orbit at 3 Gs, but you can go much faster when you're launching a satelllite off one
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L523[15:52:24] <FltAdmVonSpiz> once you are above geosync the tether stress starts to drop again as the mass above geosync is taking some of the strain
L524[15:52:54] <madmerlyn> doesn't matter either way, we'd have to invent a material that basically defies physics to achieve that
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L526[15:53:12] <FltAdmVonSpiz> hey we are only three orders of magnitude away now at the macro scale, ten years ago we were like five orders
L527[15:53:44] <madmerlyn> even a flawless braided nanocarbon cable would not be strong enough
L528[15:53:54] <FltAdmVonSpiz> flawless could do easily with a reasonable taper factor
L529[15:53:58] <madmerlyn> not to mention micrometeor impacts would be a constant threat
L530[15:54:06] <FltAdmVonSpiz> if you can build a geosync space elevator you can build one I describe
L531[15:54:06] <oren> lofstrom loop isn't even a materials science thing, it's just engineering and funding
L532[15:54:11] <FltAdmVonSpiz> you just use more cable and less countermass
L533[15:54:20] <madmerlyn> even if you have a single atom out of place the strength declines drastically
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L535[15:54:33] <madmerlyn> we will not invent a space elevator that works on Earth
L536[15:54:44] <Mathuin> http://abstrusegoose.com/576
L537[15:54:48] <FltAdmVonSpiz> problably not in our lifetimes anyway
L538[15:54:51] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but I have hope
L539[15:54:52] <madmerlyn> no, not ever
L540[15:55:17] <madmerlyn> we're not going to magically engineer perfect cables on an atomic scale that can survive the perils of space
L541[15:56:21] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/406205661458726936/20180125225553_1.jpg
L542[15:56:34] <madmerlyn> launch loop much more realistic low cost launch scheme
L543[15:57:05] <madmerlyn> space elevators will never happen nor be practical on anything larger than an asteroid (and on asteroids not really practical since escape velocity will be tiny anyway)
L544[15:57:12] <zilti> Fluburtur: what game is that?
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L546[15:57:15] <FltAdmVonSpiz> kevlar is strong enough for the moon
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L548[15:57:22] <umaxtu> zilti, stellaris
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L550[15:58:16] <FltAdmVonSpiz> our current material science is so overkill for the moon you could wrap the whole thing in whipple shields if you wanted
L551[15:58:37] <ve2dmn> There is a list somewhere of all the "joke" systems in Stellaris
L552[15:58:59] <madmerlyn> except for the whole issue of space isn't empty
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L554[15:59:19] <FltAdmVonSpiz> when you are using regular materials, this idea of a microscale ribbon goes out of the window
L555[15:59:33] <madmerlyn> your kevlar space elevator will get torn up in months or weeks from microimpacts etc
L556[16:00:01] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: you'll need a "Doctor Elevator"
L557[16:00:26] <oren> and on the moon you don't even NEED a space elevator, just use a maglev train
L558[16:00:33] <ve2dmn> like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Yellow
L559[16:00:58] <madmerlyn> remember the materials will be under constant stress from their own weight, so any impact will be hitting a cable that's already stretched and stressed
L560[16:01:00] <ve2dmn> oren: Galaxy railways?
L561[16:01:12] <zilti> Imagine how our DNA would look like if there weren't aminoacids constantly repairing it
L562[16:01:12] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but the impacts would never strike the structural member
L563[16:01:25] <madmerlyn> it might survive a few impacts
L564[16:01:30] <madmerlyn> but over time it will break
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L566[16:02:29] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/07f14c5b6467c05c0346b47a96c08489.jpg - Needed to rebuild the airship because the other one was not built with symmetry on, oops
L567[16:02:31] <madmerlyn> besides, why would a kevlar elevator be preferred to just building a smaller launch loop on the lunar surface?
L568[16:02:47] <oren> madmerlyn: on the mmon you don't need any kind of loop
L569[16:02:54] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I want my spacetrain :D
L570[16:03:04] <madmerlyn> lol ok so a launch ramp then :P
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L572[16:03:08] <oren> jst a regular maglev train track
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L574[16:03:26] <oren> the moon is pretty flat
L575[16:03:30] <FltAdmVonSpiz> because an elevator is rather more tolerant of short term failures and has an orders of magnitude greater cargo capacity
L576[16:03:37] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and doesnt subject passengers to significant g-loads
L577[16:03:51] <madmerlyn> orders of magnitude greater cargo capacity.. on kevlar rope? doubt it.
L578[16:03:56] <oren> lol
L579[16:04:26] <madmerlyn> g-loads are based on acceleration, with maglev you can control acceleration
L580[16:04:52] <oren> and cargo doesn't usually mind having g loads
L581[16:05:02] <oren> to a point anyway
L582[16:05:33] <FltAdmVonSpiz> how do you land something with a launch loop?
L583[16:05:37] <FltAdmVonSpiz> is that even possible
L584[16:05:45] <oren> FltAdmVonSpiz: orbit close to it and latch on
L585[16:05:58] <oren> to a car that is matching speeds with you
L586[16:06:14] <oren> same as orbital renzezvous-docking
L587[16:06:29] <FltAdmVonSpiz> except it has to be complete before you run out of track?
L588[16:06:48] <oren> right but if it doesn't, you fly off and try again next orbit
L589[16:07:17] <madmerlyn> or you could use old fashioned propulsive landing since you have a cheap way of putting fuel in orbit
L590[16:07:48] <zilti> So how does having a maglev on the moon solve the problem of getting people and stuff off earth?
L591[16:08:04] <oren> zilti: it doesn't
L592[16:08:13] <madmerlyn> you use the same tech on Earth, but bigger and more loop-y
L593[16:08:18] <FltAdmVonSpiz> zilti: but if you have check mass from the moon a lot of things become a lot more practical
L594[16:08:37] <FltAdmVonSpiz> like radiation hardening takes a back seat to packing regolith into containers around your habitats
L595[16:08:39] <FltAdmVonSpiz> stuff like that
L596[16:08:40] <oren> it does however allow you to build stuff easier
L597[16:09:02] <madmerlyn> scenario: you have super cheap way of lifting things off the moon, fuel is made from polar ice, launched to orbit at depots
L598[16:09:17] <FltAdmVonSpiz> also I saw a proposal that a reasonable performance heat shield could be made out of baked regolith
L599[16:09:22] <madmerlyn> now you have fuel on orbit, so your earth launch scheme doesn't need to bring as much fuel to complete its mission
L600[16:09:22] <FltAdmVonSpiz> not great but reasonable
L601[16:09:23] <oren> the moon is full of raw material that can be flung into a useful orbit
L602[16:09:46] <JCB> actually, they can use reglolith itself made into fuel...
L603[16:10:07] <FltAdmVonSpiz> also didnt someone work out an aluminium-oxygen hybrid rocket?
L604[16:10:49] <oren> In my current KSP career I'm doing a lot with building stuff and fueling my stuff from the mun
L605[16:10:59] <madmerlyn> it's just like some people do in KSP, they build a minmus fueling base to put ridiculous amounts of fuel in orbital depots, so they can launch big vessels without a ton of fuel in them and fill them up on the way out
L606[16:11:29] <ve2dmn> oren: thanks to your train remark I'm now down the rabbit hole of looking for "Galaxy railways 999" videos on youtube for a specific one...
L607[16:11:29] <oren> madmerlyn: I prefer the mun, round trip time is less
L608[16:11:59] <madmerlyn> yes I usually operate out of the mun too Oren, though this career I think I'm going to manufacture the fuel on Minmus and just taxi it out to various orbits around the system
L609[16:12:04] <ve2dmn> Tl;DR: Steam locomotives... IN SPACE!
L610[16:13:23] <madmerlyn> could you use steam to crank your wheels and then point the exhaust stack retrograde for additional thrust? :P
L611[16:13:38] <zilti> Meanwhile I'm on RSS and trying since hours to get into earth orbit...
L612[16:14:17] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: nah, it's an anime. The trains just fly up from the ramp powered by disbelief
L613[16:14:41] <madmerlyn> haha steampunk space travel would be interesting
L614[16:14:58] <ve2dmn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrsAe97lqQU
L615[16:14:59] <kmath> YouTube - THE GALAXY RAILWAYS 999
L616[16:15:19] <oren> and I don't bother with launchign thingsa nd fueling them from the mun. I build them in munar orbit out of rocketparts made of metal mined from the mun
L617[16:15:41] <JCB> dang it where was that massive engine list
L618[16:15:57] <madmerlyn> I pretend Kerbals don't have the proper equipment inside a 3.75m module I landed on the surface to manufacture complex parts
L619[16:16:47] <zilti> My goal is to manufacture a rocket on-site on Titan
L620[16:17:37] <FltAdmVonSpiz> "third concept utilizes monopropellant aluminum/oxygen. The monopropellant is formulated by suspending powdered metal in liquid oxygen. Two recent studies have tested the feasibility of producing and handling a metal/LOX Monopropellant."
L621[16:17:42] <FltAdmVonSpiz> That sounds safe
L622[16:19:08] <zilti> Sounds about as safe as nitroglycerine ^^
L623[16:19:32] <FltAdmVonSpiz> Space!Halifax when a propellant depot in a starport goes up in flames
L624[16:19:38] <FltAdmVonSpiz> or blast cloud since there are no flames in a vacuum
L625[16:19:55] <JCB> ah here we go http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/enginelist.php
L626[16:20:43] <JCB> so .. metal or aluminum with LOX... they saying ISP of 285....
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L628[16:22:39] <madmerlyn> http://news.berkeley.edu/story_jump/chemists-create-tinted-windows-that-also-generate-electricity/
L629[16:28:48] <zilti> Time passed in-game: 2 Minutes. Time passed irl: 8 Minutes, 7 Seconds
L630[16:30:48] <zilti> That's worse than I thought. Way worse.
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L634[16:44:20] <SamBelanger> Hi
L635[16:44:21] <Mod9000> Hello, SamBelanger
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L638[16:47:26] <zilti> ...*NOW* I've reached 8 minutes in-game
L639[16:50:23] <oren> zilti: you need a beefier computer
L640[16:50:28] <SamBelanger> I'm back
L641[16:51:02] <zilti> oren: I have a Ryzen 1800X running at 4GHz. Go find me a beefier CPU that is capable of running KSP ^^
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L644[16:51:43] <zilti> I also uninstalled EVE and Scatterer, which made no difference :P
L645[16:53:59] <FltAdmVonSpiz> get one of those 32 core one
L646[16:54:15] <Mathuin> Someone who writes an ubermod which can enable or disable functionality from within the game (think a slider to enable levels of pretty to toggle EVE and Scatterer as an example) and/or a "disable all mods" button will make me a happy player.
L647[16:54:40] <zilti> FltAdmVonSpiz: KSP can not even parallelize to two cores
L648[16:57:08] <Mathuin> Is that a Unity thing?
L649[17:00:22] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/7b516a8bf9a78f1518737f69fe9f5177.png - The thing needed a rebuild in the worst way...
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L651[17:02:02] <zilti> Mathuin: Probably... Unity + terrible programming. Which is often combined, because good coders probably wouldn't want to use Unity
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L655[17:36:39] <FltAdmVonSpiz> trying to paralelise programming is hard
L656[17:37:39] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I tried to parallelise my killer sudoku solver
L657[17:38:04] <FltAdmVonSpiz> even though conceptualy the mechanism it worked should allow paralleisation it is very difficult
L658[17:45:48] <Mathuin> Different languages have different ways to do that sort of thing. If I were writing a Sudoku solver and wanted to parallelize, I'd use Go.
L659[17:47:04] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yeah it was a project for a C++ programming module
L660[17:47:14] <FltAdmVonSpiz> we got to chose our own project and Id always wanted to try and write one just to see if I could
L661[17:47:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and advanced features got extra marks
L662[17:47:48] <FltAdmVonSpiz> it was taking 90 seconds on the core I was using, and when I ran it at Uni on my Bulldozer rig still took 60 seconds
L663[17:47:56] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but if I could have used six cores it would have gone in ten :D
L664[17:50:14] <Mathuin> Seven years ago today I released the initial version of a Minecraft terrain generator I made which used real-world data from the USGS. It was in Pascal and eventually got OpenCL support for parallelization.
L665[17:50:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> Pascal? o.O
L666[17:50:31] <Mathuin> Python, my fault. :-)
L667[17:50:37] <Mathuin> ... wow, that would have been AWESOME
L668[17:50:59] <Mathuin> Anyway, I got it almost entirely ported to Go when the USGS broke their data distribution methods.
L669[17:51:13] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I have a dirty secret
L670[17:51:17] <FltAdmVonSpiz> my default programming language is BASIC
L671[17:51:53] <Mathuin> I did Advent of Code in Python and Go, but stopped using Go because it isn't my reflexive language yet.
L672[17:52:23] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I learned basic when I was like 11
L673[17:52:38] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and now all my other programming is mentally a port of hwo it would be done in BASIC
L674[17:52:39] <FltAdmVonSpiz> most of the time anyway
L675[17:54:38] <zilti> Doesn't Python still have the "global interpreter lock", effectively making it almost unparallelizable?
L676[17:55:24] <zilti> Java was my first, now I know C, C++, Clojure, Scheme and Scala
L677[17:58:47] <Mathuin> zilti: Python has microprocessing which allows for pools of threads, among other features.
L678[17:58:54] <Mathuin> There is a GIL, but there are ways to work with it.
L679[17:59:04] <Mathuin> I reached what I thought were those limits, which is why I gave OpenCL a try.
L680[17:59:15] <Mathuin> When I get cards that can support Vulkan, I'll upgrade that code.
L681[18:20:01] <oren> I mostly write things in C, Perl, and C#
L682[18:20:10] <oren> for work I use C++
L683[18:21:34] <Azander> I have to use php and javascript at work :/
L684[18:21:47] <zilti> Neat. I deleted a dozen mods, launched the same rocket again. Not going from 0 to 2 Minutes in-game took even longer: 9min 38s irl!
L685[18:21:53] <zilti> Azander: My condolences...
L686[18:22:17] <zilti> Azander: did you try firing your boss yet? :P
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L688[18:23:04] <Azander> nope... he's fire me first. That and I'm soing customer web work :/
L689[18:23:08] <Azander> *doing
L690[18:23:13] <Azander> *he'd
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L692[18:27:07] <Guest47265> xbox one enhanced edition. anyone else have problems getting the x button to access the part action menu
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L696[18:37:25] <UmbralRaptor> Thank you for being a stereotype.
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L698[19:07:36] <madmerlynx> started new game of factorio, spawned on tiny island with no way to get off
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L700[19:32:23] <KrazyKrl> madmerlynx: #factorio and if you have iron ore, copper ore, stone; along with landfill research, it really doesn't matter.
L701[19:32:44] <madmerlynx> but I just started the game
L702[19:32:50] <madmerlynx> so I had.. none of that
L703[19:33:02] <Supercheese> just restart
L704[19:33:15] <madmerlynx> I did
L705[19:33:21] <KrazyKrl> Yep, RNG is RNG. sometimes you just get a bad map gen.
L706[19:34:24] <KrazyKrl> Remember that the main factorio IRC channel is on EsperNet.
L707[19:36:06] <madmerlynx> but I don't hang out there, I hang out here
L708[19:36:23] <Supercheese> there's also a Discord for it, if you'd rather
L709[19:36:39] <madmerlynx> but I don't hang out there
L710[19:36:52] <Supercheese> just pointin' out
L711[19:36:55] <KrazyKrl> Seeing as how you're already on the same IRC network... it's better than talking factorio in the KSP channel.
L712[19:38:49] <madmerlynx> ok, enjoy the silence then
L713[19:40:11] <Supercheese> The sooouuuunnnddd of silence ?
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L715[19:40:35] <madmerlynx> I mean I talk gaming in general in here all the time, especially with ve2dmn
L716[19:40:42] <Mathuin> That song could so be filked for KSP.
L717[19:40:54] <madmerlynx> I don't see how talking about Factorio is an issue, especially when literally nobody was talking about anything else at the moment
L718[19:41:19] <madmerlynx> 30 minutes elapsed and the only conversation was.. me talking about factorio
L719[19:42:52] <Supercheese> wasn't there a mod that tried to bridge Factorio and KSP
L720[19:42:54] <Mathuin> Considering the time spent earlier on space elevators, I think factorio's probably NBD.
L721[19:43:06] <Supercheese> like, gather resources and launch a rocket in Factorio, translates to parts/funds in KSP or somethin;
L722[19:43:16] <Mathuin> Oooh, interesting bug in this new KSP install -- main menu letters are hot pink cutouts
L723[19:43:32] <Supercheese> https://github.com/Danielv123/KerbalSpaceFactorio
L724[19:43:33] <Supercheese> aha
L725[19:43:52] <Supercheese> there ya go, now you can talk about both games
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L727[19:45:40] <Mathuin> Anyone know why all my letters are pink rectangular cutouts?
L728[19:46:03] <Supercheese> sounds like texture bug
L729[19:46:14] <Supercheese> invalid textures are often a solid pink
L730[19:46:32] <Mathuin> This is literally a brand new install with nothing but kOS and ModuleManager added.
L731[19:46:51] <Mathuin> I'm gonna delete those two and see.
L732[19:46:51] <Supercheese> re-verify game files, if you have such an option via e.g. Steam
L733[19:47:56] <Mathuin> Okay, doing that first. Validating Steam files - 2% complete. :-)
L734[19:49:37] <Mathuin> 1 file failed to validate.
L735[19:50:45] <Supercheese> probably the bad texture
L736[19:51:15] <Mathuin> Okay, now that I'm watching, all those cute loading hints are not displayed, nor are the words describing files being examined. The progress bar is progressing, and I'm seeing the usual slide show of background images.
L737[19:51:33] <umaxtu> speaking of steam, anyone know when they added shader precaching?
L738[19:52:17] <Mathuin> Alas, that did not fix the problem. :-(
L739[19:53:54] <Mathuin> Windows 7, Core 2 Quad Q6600 processor, 3G of RAM, DX11.
L740[19:53:58] <Fluburtur> so, halfway in my first stellaris game
L741[19:54:24] <Fluburtur> some AI decided to declare war on me so I got my friends and we assembled a 10k fleet
L742[19:54:26] <Mathuin> I do not recognize the video card -- GMA 3100 -- but it's only got 256 MB of RAM. Goodness.
L743[19:54:31] <Fluburtur> won the first battle
L744[19:54:51] <Fluburtur> but I lost my oldest science ship when it was retreating back home so im sad
L745[19:58:45] <Mathuin> ... I have the most recent video driver, it's dated 2009.
L746[20:00:11] <Mathuin> Ah well will have to wait for home.
L747[20:01:04] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM
L748[20:01:04] <kmath> YouTube - Camille Saint-Saëns - Danse Macabre
L749[20:01:07] <Fluburtur> so groovy
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L753[20:24:33] <Mathuin> Oooh, new release of kRPC
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L758[20:48:08] <Mathuin> https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/956612001287065601 as seen on reddit -- drone ship will catch the FH center core, with two sides landing at the Cape. Woo.
L759[20:48:08] <kmath> <NASASpaceflight> Next Falcon 9 launch is set to be expendable. Drone ship's next job will be to catch the center core of the Falcon… https://t.co/R22XGTEo5F
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L766[21:50:18] <Draconiator> When is Falcon Heavy going up?
L767[21:54:50] <umaxtu> minimum, after the 30th
L768[22:00:38] <TheKosmonaut> Draconiator: soon
L769[22:00:45] <TheKosmonaut> 2013
L770[22:01:26] <TheKosmonaut> If the universe determined it necessary, we'd see a BFR launch before FH
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L779[23:11:19] <Draconiator> https://www.yahoo.com/news/astronomers-really-hate-bright-disco-192852945.html
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