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L8[00:27:47] <Einarr> Ah yes, the downside
to having clouds on Kerbin...makes it more difficult to see where
land is, especially if you want ot land in a particular
place...
L9[00:29:46] <Althego> realism!
L10[00:30:02] <Althego> install ils
:)
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L19[00:57:00] <Einarr> Bah...It seems that
the radiators are no longer included with Near Future Electric...
:/
L20[00:58:33] <Althego> hehe that panel
looks exactly like as if it came from ksp
L21[00:59:04] <Althego> the nin reality it
must be the other way around
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L23[01:09:22] <Einarr> Ah, found what I
needed.
L25[01:16:41] <taniwha> working on a better
resource manager :)
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L104[04:06:35] <Jadoks> Hey
L105[04:06:48] <Jadoks> Hello
L106[04:06:49] <Mod9000> Hello,
Jadoks
L107[04:07:49] <Jadoks> Could anyone
recommend me some parts pack similar to the stock game?
L108[04:08:58] <Althego> modular rocket
parts?
L109[04:09:14] <Althego> some people like
spacey
L110[04:09:23] <Jadoks> Like, a parts pack
that adds more electric stuff, pods, a bit of everything
L111[04:09:40] <Althego> spacey heavy
lifter parts
L112[04:10:02] <Jadoks> Oh
L113[04:10:05] <Jadoks> Let me see
L114[04:10:20] <Althego> and the moduler
rocket parts is also a mod
L115[04:10:33] <Althego> "modular
rocket parts"
L116[04:10:47] <Jadoks> Yes, but I don't
really need tanks and engines
L117[04:12:07] <Jadoks> I thought there
was a pack with like probes, solar panels, fairing, storage, and
these things
L118[04:12:18] <Althego> doubt there is
one
L119[04:12:24] <Althego> there is a
fairing pack
L120[04:12:24] <Jadoks> Ohh
L121[04:12:28] <Althego> procedural
fairings
L122[04:12:40] <Jadoks> Ok, I'll take a
look to that one
L123[04:12:46] <Jadoks> Thanks
Althego
L124[04:12:49] <Althego> and possibly
there are others for the other pusposes
L125[04:13:15] <Jadoks> I'll try to find
them
L126[04:13:26] <Jadoks> But there are so
many mods
L127[04:13:36] <Jadoks> That I get lost
easily
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L169[07:59:45] <Blaank> Anyone got wild
conspiracy theories on the "lost" Spacex Zuma
payload?
L170[08:00:23] <Althego> the whole
internet
L171[08:00:37] <Althego> ok, the part that
is interested in space
L172[08:00:37] <Mat2ch> Blaank: too
many.
L173[08:00:43] <Blaank> I think it's up
there and fine. Would be a nice cover if people weren't looking for
it.
L174[08:00:50] <Althego> bunch of youtube
videos on the topic
L175[08:00:57] <Mat2ch> It would have been
spotted by now
L176[08:01:09] <Blaank> Have they not
found it?
L177[08:01:15] <sandbox> it's secretly an
alien submarine
L178[08:01:25] <Blaank> There have been a
few they completely lost track of and never reaquired the orbits
of.
L179[08:01:28] <Althego> unless it is
specifically a stealth spy satellite
L180[08:01:35] <Mat2ch> yeah... well, it's
at the bottom of the ocean. Or at least what's left of if after
reentry
L181[08:01:42] <Althego> hah, go get
it
L182[08:01:52] <Blaank> There wouldn't be
much left to recover
L183[08:01:55] <Althego> super secret and
was worth 1B usd
L184[08:02:07] <Althego> probably vurnt
up
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L186[08:03:42] <Blaank> If they haven't
aquired it and logged it's orbit by now, it's either a well
designed one with good camo or it did get lost.
L187[08:04:20] <Blaank> I don't know if we
can fully conceal something in orbit yet.
L188[08:04:38] <Blaank> The hardest part
would be when the sat obscures a star by passing in front of
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L190[08:05:06] <Mat2ch> well, it could
have an RTG, so it doesn't need solar panels
L191[08:05:11] <Blaank> current active
camoflauge is directional.
L192[08:05:19] <Mat2ch> this will make it
heavy, but als create a small footprint
L193[08:05:28] <Blaank> That just makes it
smaller. It is physical so it will have a footprint.
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L195[08:05:50] <Mat2ch> but it would still
block background radiation and people are looking for it
L196[08:06:02] <Blaank> You could extend
the time you aren't spotted but not prevent it, even if it was the
size of a pencil eraser, it could be detected going in front of a
star.
L197[08:06:16] <Althego> no stealth in
space trope
L198[08:06:18] <Mat2ch> if it's not some
kind of warp ship that got out fast, it's probably deeeeed on the
ocean floor
L199[08:06:24] <Blaank> You'd need the
best humanity has to offer looking directly at it at the
time.
L200[08:06:38] <Althego> hah yes, maybe
secret warp drive test probe
L201[08:07:29] <Mat2ch> the question would
be: Why keep it secret?
L202[08:07:52] <Blaank> Why keep what
secret. A spysat?
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L211[08:19:40] <madmerlyn> good morning
alpha species
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L221[08:53:04] <ve2dmn> Hello
L222[08:53:05] <Mod9000> Hello,
ve2dmn
L223[08:56:57] <madmerlyn> I haven't
played KSP in 2 days, thx Stellaris
L224[08:57:28] <madmerlyn> also I've come
to the conclusion that strategy games are not good for my sleeping
routine. I don't get tired when I'm playing them
L225[08:58:02] <madmerlyn> dunno if it's
just stimulating my brain in a different way or what, but I'll look
at the clock and see 12:45am and think huh.. why am I not
tired
L226[08:58:31] <madmerlyn> also ve2dmn I'm
54 years in still only have 1 planet :P
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L228[08:59:03] <madmerlyn> have 1
ascension perk, 3 traditions on my second tree, most advanced tech
in the whole galaxy
L229[08:59:29] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I did
the same with Anno 2205
L230[08:59:31] <madmerlyn> got lucky the 2
neighbors near me were both of compatible ethos so no aggression on
the border friction
L231[08:59:40] <ve2dmn> (Which ironically,
is not THAT good)
L232[09:00:21] <madmerlyn> I keep wanting
to grab a second planet, but I think I'm going to wait until I have
all of the "key" technologies for the strategy I'm
working on
L233[09:00:44] <madmerlyn> I think I'm the
only race in the galaxy that has cruisers too lol
L234[09:01:12] <madmerlyn> not the
strongest navy though, there are some wide empires on the other
side of the ring with a lot of territory and really big
fleets
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L238[09:29:00] <Tank2333> Hi guys p/
L239[09:29:38] <Tank2333> When is the
falcon heavy launch?
L240[09:29:54] <Althego> not yet
L241[09:30:05] <Althego> static fire test
in friday, so some time after that
L242[09:30:15] <Tank2333> Ah okay
L243[09:31:00] <Tank2333> I read that it
will send a tesla to the mars orbit
L244[09:31:08] <ve2dmn> sad. My sister is
going to be at KSC next week
L245[09:32:21] <Tank2333> But i guess it
wont go make a orbit around mars, so will it than be on a elyptical
orbit forever?
L246[09:32:39] <Althego> it will probably
fail before that
L247[09:32:48] <Tank2333> ve2dmn my sister
only goes to KFC
L248[09:32:59] <Althego> but if it worked
it would put elon's tesla on an orbit that touches the orbit of
mars
L249[09:33:03] <madmerlyn> lol why is
everyone around here so dead set on the idea that the FH is going
to blow up
L250[09:33:11] <Althego> make her go to
ksc instead :)
L251[09:33:28] <Tank2333> madmerlyn
because elon said so himself
L252[09:33:36] <madmerlyn> it's not like
they are testing a completely unproven group of technologies, it's
3 F9s strapped together
L253[09:33:48] <madmerlyn> he said it
purely as a joke
L254[09:34:10] <Tank2333> But they had to
redesign alot of it to handle the loads
L255[09:34:25] <madmerlyn> what does that
even mean
L256[09:34:35] <Althego> internal
structure and stuff is different
L257[09:34:39] <Althego> that is why it
took so long
L258[09:34:50] <Tank2333> madmerlyn i dont
think it was a joke, the chane that it fails is way higher than for
a normal F9
L259[09:35:20] <Althego> yes, with 27
engines that failure is pretty probable
L260[09:35:41] <madmerlyn> SpaceX isn't in
the business of blowing up their rockets, if Elon thought that was
a likely scenario he'd take the rocket off the schedule to work on
it
L261[09:35:42] <Tank2333> I think the
engines will be fine
L262[09:35:44] <Althego> ok, the engines
themselves seem to be quite reliable to this date
L263[09:35:55] <madmerlyn> they have too
many contracts riding on their reputation to be that careless
L264[09:36:10] <Tank2333> Also the struts
will use a hydraulic decoupling that unusual
L265[09:36:19] <ve2dmn> Tank2333: We don't
have 'KFC' around here
L266[09:36:37] <Tank2333> We neither but i
think it was a good joke
L267[09:36:46] <madmerlyn> if the chance
of failure was any higher than a F9 I'm confident the FH would be
taken off the schedule
L268[09:37:00] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: either
way, it should be interesting
L269[09:37:07] <madmerlyn> it would be far
too damaging to their reputation and future contracts to blow up
their new rocket on the pad
L270[09:37:11] <Tank2333> madmerlyn im not
sure we can judge on the way spacce x is doing buissness
L271[09:37:24] <madmerlyn> why? because
they've had setbacks?
L272[09:37:42] <Tank2333> Well if it fails
they now a thing more about how it can fail and fix it
L273[09:37:51] <madmerlyn> you know in
every failure they've had they've done major revisions to policy
and design to address it
L274[09:38:33] <Tank2333> Iyeah
L275[09:38:38] <madmerlyn> yes, failure is
data, but they don't need that kind of data right now, especially
not when they're trying to get heavy load contracts from people
like the USAF who have the ULA over there with their perfect
record
L276[09:39:13] <madmerlyn> if the FH gets
greenlighted for launch I think the probability of it blowing up on
the pad isn't very high, Musk isn't a moron
L277[09:39:55] <Tank2333> The FH is a new
rocket wich doesnt affect the already tested F9s
L278[09:40:14] <madmerlyn> look at what
they have contracted to do with the FH in the next 2 years
L279[09:40:32] <Althego> like moon
trip
L280[09:40:33] <Tank2333> It can fail at
any stage, thats all im saying
L281[09:40:38] <Althego> i want to see
that moon trip happen
L282[09:40:38] <madmerlyn> a FH blowing up
on the pad will literally jeopardize billions of dollars of
contracts
L283[09:40:53] <Tank2333> Will it?
L284[09:40:56] <madmerlyn> yes
L285[09:41:01] <Althego> it would be a
huge finger to nasa: you cant even go to leo, we go to the
moon
L286[09:41:17] <Tank2333> Yeah
L287[09:41:37] <madmerlyn> ULA/Boeing is a
major competitor with SpaceX for the exact stuff the FH is being
designed for
L288[09:41:43] <Althego> at worst 2 rich
guys die in that
L289[09:41:56] <madmerlyn> a critical
failure now will all but assure that ULA gets all the future heavy
lift funding
L292[09:44:19] <madmerlyn> failure won't
shutter SpaceX, they do have the F9, but it will still imperil
billions of contracts, SpaceX doesn't just want to be a cheap
satellite launch company
L293[09:44:56] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: so that
launch must be perfect
L294[09:45:15] <ve2dmn> If not, an 'act of
god' must be to blame
L295[09:45:26] <Tank2333> Hail elon
L296[09:46:16] <Tank2333> If it blows up
and damages the pad is more of a set back than if it explodes on
decoupling or so
L297[09:46:17] <madmerlyn> also he
wouldn't pull a PR stunt like sticking a Tesla inside it if he
thought there was a strong possibility of failure, because that
will magnify the news around it
L298[09:46:28] <ve2dmn> "We could
have never predicted that such an orbital alignment would have put
this asteroid in the path of the rocket"
L299[09:46:35] <Fluburtur> I want big
boom
L300[09:46:50] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: I like
big boom and I cannot lie
L301[09:47:01] <madmerlyn> watch reruns of
Mythbusters for big booms
L302[09:47:06] <madmerlyn> I want
progress
L303[09:47:25] <Tank2333> madmerlyn i
heard him say in interviews that he gives it a good chance of
failing what ever failing means
L304[09:47:38] <madmerlyn> source?
L305[09:47:57] <madmerlyn> outside of a
clearly sarcastic tweet I've seen nothing of the kind
L306[09:48:10] <Tank2333> No idea what
video that was
L307[09:48:25] <madmerlyn> a lot of
people's jobs depend on being safe and successful, they aren't
taking anything lightly
L308[09:49:39] <Tank2333> Is a manned FH
mission planned?
L309[09:49:55] <madmerlyn> as early as the
end of the year
L310[09:50:20] <madmerlyn> they want to be
the first commercial entity to deliver astronauts to the ISS
L311[09:50:20] <Tank2333> You mean crew
dragon?
L312[09:50:31] <Tank2333> Yeah but not
with a FH
L313[09:51:05] <madmerlyn> crewed dragon
will be FH
L314[09:51:22] <Tank2333> NASA would be
crazy to certify the FH to Human rated
L315[09:51:22] <Tank2333> Hm
L316[09:51:53] <madmerlyn> plan is Q4
crewed dragon to take 2 tourists FRT Moon
L317[09:52:36] <madmerlyn> obviously that
will hedge on crewed dragon taking astronauts to ISS safely first,
which will probably be done on a F9
L318[09:53:04] <madmerlyn> also the Tesla
is not intended to orbit Mars, it's a flyby, final orbit will be
heliocentric
L319[09:54:09] <madmerlyn> FH is supposed
to put a Saudi commsat in orbit (must be a big one as it's the only
thing listed on that schedule) in April
L320[09:54:16] <madmerlyn> err early
2018
L321[09:54:22] <madmerlyn> April it's
doing a DoD launch
L322[09:54:29] <madmerlyn> which is why
they don't want their test to blow up
L323[09:54:48] <Tank2333> Ah okay
L324[09:54:52] <madmerlyn> the DoD is a
pretty big contract, EELV certification, with multiple secondary
payloads
L325[09:55:47] <Tank2333> Add 2 years to
the FH moon mission :)
L326[09:56:11] <madmerlyn> why?
L327[09:56:33] <madmerlyn> SpaceX hasn't
pushed it back yet
L328[09:56:51] <Tank2333> “yet“
L329[09:57:00] <madmerlyn> provided they
get a FH test launch completed in the next few weeks they're not
that far behind the last schedule revision
L330[09:58:02] <madmerlyn> and if they get
their arab sat and EELV certification done there's no barrier left
for Lunar tourism, other than a health issue with one of the
tourists or some sort of failure with the Dragon 2's testing
L331[09:58:49] <madmerlyn> uncrewed Dragon
2 is going to launch for ISS in April
L332[09:59:11] <madmerlyn> then after that
will be an abort test
L333[10:00:04] <madmerlyn> they're going
to use the same capsule that goes to the ISS for first test for the
in-flight abort test, which is neat
L334[10:00:43] <Tank2333> So the contract
for the dod is still on even they “lost“ a satelite?
L335[10:01:01] <madmerlyn> that hasn't
been confirmed at all
L336[10:01:20] <Tank2333> I know
L337[10:01:22] <madmerlyn> not sure why
everyone is on about that still, there hasn't been any information
released by anyone other than "sources inside the
government"
L338[10:02:56] <Tank2333> Well i heard
somewhere that the gov must at least give information about a
succes or a failure of a mission even if its secret mission
L339[10:03:10] <Tank2333> Thats how they
did it before
L340[10:03:10] <madmerlyn> I think Musk
really wants SpaceX to be the company that sends the astronauts up
to retrieve the flag left behind by Endeavor too
L341[10:03:32] <madmerlyn> and both SpaceX
and NRO reported the mission was successful
L342[10:04:26] <madmerlyn> in this age
where information is a weapon why has it not dawned on more people
that the rumors could very well be a misinformation campaign to
poison SpaceX? Until there is official word otherwise we shouldn't
let rumors run rampant about something that there is no solid
evidence to support
L343[10:04:31] <Tank2333> Okay, i didnt
catched up on that
L344[10:05:21] <Tank2333> Becaus i saw a
clip of a press briefing where they avoided the question
L345[10:05:36] <madmerlyn> you seem to see
a lot of "clips"
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L347[10:05:46] <Tank2333> ;)
L348[10:05:53] <madmerlyn> it's a
classified mission, of course they're going to be evasive
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L350[10:08:21] <Tank2333> Yeah
L351[10:09:14] <madmerlyn> apparently last
week's launch was the last Delta IV launch too, they're retiring it
and just using Delta Heavy going forward
L352[10:09:36] <madmerlyn> or I should say
the last Delta IV launch of that configuration
L353[10:09:40] <madmerlyn> no more single
core Deltas
L354[10:10:35] <madmerlyn> the Atlas is
replacing the single core Deltas for smaller payloads
L355[10:11:15] <madmerlyn> and eventually
the Vulcan is supposed to replace them all I guess
L356[10:11:44] <Tank2333> Arent they way
behin in the vulcan program
L357[10:12:12] <madmerlyn> I want to know
more about the X-37B though :P
L358[10:12:19] <madmerlyn> and next time I
play KSP I kinda want to make one heh
L359[10:13:00] <Althego> they are quite
secretive about that too
L361[10:13:22] <madmerlyn> it goes up
there for like 1-2 years at a time and then comes back
L362[10:13:40] <Althego> maybe material
endurance testing
L363[10:14:23] <madmerlyn> I think if they
made one configured for crew it could be a good lifeboat
replacement for the Soyuz
L364[10:14:43] <madmerlyn> since it's
clearly capable of functioning after long stays in space
L366[10:17:29] <madmerlyn> according to
that the most recent X-37b is testing a Hall-effect thruster
L367[10:17:52] <madmerlyn> maybe NFP needs
to move those into a different mod? :P
L368[10:20:15] <madmerlyn> or that's the
last one to go and come back, the last one launched went up on a F9
and is still up there
L369[10:24:55] <FltAdmVonSpiz> anyone know
a way to blast off a stage that you forgot to fit a decoupler
too?
L370[10:24:58] <FltAdmVonSpiz> other than
trying to clip terrain
L371[10:25:07] <FltAdmVonSpiz> tried
lighting the engine above it but it doesn't damage it :(
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L373[10:33:52] <madmerlyn> I get so
annoyed that kiddos upvote every single one of AveragePxtseryu's
"look at this kerbal that is distorted because I run kraken
mods" posts
L374[10:34:18] <madmerlyn> 270 upvotes for
a picture of a kerbal with a stretched head.. that's quality
content?
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L377[10:38:44] <Tank2333> Why even bother
to be annoyed?
L378[10:39:48] <Tank2333> FltAdmVonSpiz i
did that sometimes
L379[10:40:02] <FltAdmVonSpiz> managed to
smash it into the ground hard enough to break it but not the
landing stage
L380[10:40:15] <FltAdmVonSpiz> then
discovered it was all for nought because my fuel depot has no ore
storage and didnt reallise that was necessary
L381[10:40:20] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I thought
it could feed direct to the ISRU
L382[10:40:22] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn do you
gain unity/etc from vassals?
L383[10:40:33] <madmerlyn> like maybe I
should colonize a few planets and then vassalize them?
L384[10:40:49] <ve2dmn> you don't, if I
remember
L385[10:40:55] <FltAdmVonSpiz> Vassals
waste resources that should instead be diverted to the fleet
L386[10:41:11] <madmerlyn> I'm not worried
about fleet strength right now
L387[10:41:14] <madmerlyn> I'm playing
tall
L388[10:41:28] <FltAdmVonSpiz> then again
I almost always just run with a Citizen Republic
L389[10:41:39] <FltAdmVonSpiz> after all
SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP
L390[10:41:59] <ve2dmn> FltAdmVonSpiz: I
did the assimilator thing.
L391[10:42:48] <ve2dmn> The Galaxy is now
one
L392[10:43:20] <EricPoehlsen> hmm I made
that error the first time with ISRU as well - thought "it will
work just with ISRU and Drills and Fuel Tanks
L393[10:43:53] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I wonder if
Ic an go into the craft file and bodge it
L394[10:44:00] <ve2dmn> EricPoehlsen: no
ore tank? bad
L395[10:44:06] <FltAdmVonSpiz> space
programme cant afford to launch another
L396[10:44:22] <ve2dmn> FltAdmVonSpiz:
there's a mod for that
L397[10:44:24] <madmerlyn> no revert
option?
L398[10:44:33] <FltAdmVonSpiz> not all the
way from the surface of minmus to the pad no
L399[10:44:46] <madmerlyn> I don't
follow
L400[10:44:58] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I dont
really fancy going all the way back since I did other things in
between
L401[10:45:10] <FltAdmVonSpiz> including
managing to save the crew of my horribly badly designed Duna
lander
L402[10:45:18] <madmerlyn> if you switched
vessels you can't revert
L403[10:45:24] <FltAdmVonSpiz>
precisely
L404[10:45:30] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I have a
quicksave
L405[10:45:34] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but not all
the way back to the pad
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L407[10:46:06] <madmerlyn> if the vessel
isn't a crash risk just install KAS or something and send a
kerbonaut out to detach it
L409[10:46:42] <madmerlyn> you try to edit
savefile manually you're likely to break the whole save
L410[10:47:07] <FltAdmVonSpiz> will ore
transfer across docking ports?
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L413[10:47:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> ie. can I
attach an ore tank to the fuel loading dock
L414[10:47:36] <EricPoehlsen> yep
L415[10:47:43] <ve2dmn> once docked, the
vessel is 'one'
L416[10:47:49] <FltAdmVonSpiz> there we
go, just have to launch an ore tank with two docking ports
L417[10:47:56] <ve2dmn> you could even use
a claw
L418[10:48:00] <EricPoehlsen> as long as
you don't disable crossfeed
L419[10:48:12] <madmerlyn> manual
transfers don't care about crossfeed
L420[10:48:41] <madmerlyn> unless you have
a mod that makes crossfeeds matter
L421[10:49:12] <ve2dmn> FltAdmVonSpiz: you
could always use configurable containers and make a tiny 0.01m³ ore
sub-tank in your fuel tanks
L422[10:49:44] <FltAdmVonSpiz> doesnt that
require special tank parts?
L423[10:49:50] <ve2dmn> (that would
require editing the save file, though)
L424[10:50:01] <FltAdmVonSpiz> although
that looks like a really nice mod
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L426[10:50:07] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so I will
install it anyway
L427[10:50:17] <APlayer> Hi!
L428[10:50:40] <ve2dmn> I modify the stock
Orange tank to be 100% liquid fuel when I use LV-N
L429[10:51:44] <APlayer> There are plenty
of good mods that allow fuel tank content switching
L430[10:52:19] <EricPoehlsen> mhh I rarely
use the orange tank - I prefer the tanks from ModRocketSys
L432[10:52:51] <Althego> configurable
makefiles :)
L433[10:53:46] <ve2dmn> FltAdmVonSpiz:
Note that the last time I had the 'no ore tank, issue, I sent a
ship with a ore tank and a docking port
L434[10:54:09] <ve2dmn> It help that a few
tourists wanted to see an asteroid, so 2 missions in 1
L435[10:57:14] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yeah I am
either going to use a claw
L436[10:57:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> or just an
ore tank with a dockign port on each end
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L458[12:25:26] <madmerlyn> windoze only
though :(
L459[12:25:42] *
madmerlyn checking winehq
L460[12:25:42] <ve2dmn> ha. didn't notice
:/
L461[12:26:04] <madmerlyn> Winehq gives it
a... Garbage rating
L462[12:26:40] <madmerlyn> I would totally
play it too
L463[12:26:52] <madmerlyn> I wish someone
would make a proper modern DinoPark Tycoon, I loved that game as a
kid
L464[12:27:17] <ve2dmn> They are maming a
Jurassic Park thingy
L465[12:27:21] <madmerlyn> great
opportunity to make one based on Jurassic Park with them making new
JP movies too
L466[12:27:34] <ve2dmn> it's being worked
on
L467[12:27:39] <madmerlyn> is it a tycoon
game though
L468[12:27:51] <madmerlyn> cuz they might
just make an action adventure type game around JP
L470[12:28:14] <madmerlyn> how did I never
know about JP Genesis
L471[12:29:00] <ve2dmn> because it's a
2003 game?
L472[12:29:11] <madmerlyn> and? I've been
playing games a lot longer than that :P
L473[12:29:23] <madmerlyn> I imagine I was
just too distracted with SWG
L474[12:29:32] <ve2dmn> I missed an antire
generation of games because of.... reasons....
L475[12:29:33] <madmerlyn> that game
literally caused me to drop out of college lol
L476[12:30:25] <ve2dmn> For you it was
SWG, for other it was Everquest, Eve Online, WoW, etc...
L477[12:30:43] <madmerlyn> AC was still
sorta young back then too
L478[12:30:46] <madmerlyn> I played a lot
of AC
L479[12:31:16] <madmerlyn> and EQ2, I got
me a fancypants 3.0GHz P4 and TWO GB of RAM, I was so cutting
edge
L480[12:31:23] <madmerlyn> back when I
could afford to build gaming PCs :P
L481[12:32:02] <madmerlyn> Vanguard was
awesome, but had major technical issues
L482[12:32:15] <madmerlyn> I quit when I
lost a ship due to chunk load problems
L483[12:32:56] <madmerlyn> looks like JWE
is going to be Windows and console only though
L484[12:33:32] <madmerlyn> some AAA
publishers and studios are still too stubborn to go full
compatibility even though it's not really a lot of extra work like
it used to be
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L486[12:42:28] <Milo> Anyone here a
moderator on the official forum? I have a support question posted,
and it has been waiting for moderator approval for 10 hours
now...
L488[12:43:32] <madmerlyn> gameplay kinda
looks like mechwarrior in space to me :D
L489[12:45:05] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: looks
ok, I'm put it at the bottom of the pile
L490[12:45:21] <ve2dmn> (I have too many
games)
L491[12:46:11] <ve2dmn> Milo: not right
now, no.
L492[12:46:24] <ve2dmn> You could also ask
your question here...
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L495[12:50:11] <RandomJeb> organ trail is
the best oregon trail game
L496[12:50:21] <madmerlyn> zambies?
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L500[12:53:11] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn:
yes
L501[12:53:38] <madmerlyn> power blinked
in building, CPU is on backup but apparently the network stack
isn't, lol
L502[12:54:19] <ve2dmn> UPS is your
friend
L503[12:54:47] <ve2dmn> (not as in United
Parcel Service, but as Uninterrupted Power Source)
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L505[12:56:06] <Milo> I kinda doubt asking
my question here will get any real help, but let's try anyway:
Basically KSP 1.3.1 is crashing on startup, no crash dump, nothing
interesting in the log. This is a totally fresh install, no mods,
and KSP has never been run on this PC before. Downloading a fresh
copy makes no difference.
L506[12:56:36] <taniwha> Milo:
linux?
L507[12:56:45] <Milo> Windows 10
L508[12:56:58] <Milo> x64 of course.
L509[12:57:04] <ve2dmn> I was gonna ask
that
L510[12:57:19] <taniwha> no idea about
windows
L511[12:58:19] <ve2dmn> Is it a CTD or
'KSP.exe caused an Access Violation' type of crash?
L512[12:59:29] <Milo> Running the game exe
directly or running from the launcher produces the same results,
except when running from the launcher it requires admin access. The
game is *not* installed to my program files directory. Standard
generic "KSP_x64.exe has stopped working" crash.
L513[13:00:08] <ve2dmn> What does the
KSP.log and output.log says...
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L515[13:00:31] <taniwha> output_log.txt
iirc
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L517[13:00:36] <madmerlyn> someone
actually made a choose your own adventure book game.. like you turn
pages and everything >.<
L518[13:00:40] <Milo> What is the best way
to post a log here?
L519[13:00:45] <ve2dmn> taniwha: thanks...
forgot the name
L520[13:00:49] <madmerlyn> I really should
teach myself to make games
L521[13:01:11] <ve2dmn> Milo: Pastebin or
something similar
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L524[13:03:00] <madmerlyn> try launching
with OpenGL?
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L526[13:03:22] <madmerlyn> should be like
ksp_x64.exe -opengl
L527[13:03:23] <Milo> What is the command
line parameter for that?
L528[13:04:13] <Milo> Same crash.
L529[13:04:17] <madmerlyn> or
-force-glcore
L530[13:05:06] <Milo> Annnd... It
worked!
L531[13:05:22] <Milo> Thank you very
much!
L532[13:05:27] <madmerlyn> if it's
crashing on DX you might make sure your NVidia drivers are up to
date
L533[13:05:58] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I live
my desk 30sec to grab a cup of coffee and the thing is
fixed...
L534[13:06:04] <ve2dmn> leave*
L535[13:06:05] <Milo> I use Nvidia
experience. IIRC I am one version behind right now.
L536[13:06:31] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn:
Kerbals, what is YOUR profession? I-T
L537[13:09:02] <madmerlyn> Milo TBH I
prefer OGL even when I'm on Windows
L538[13:09:14] <madmerlyn> unless the game
just flat out has no support for it
L539[13:10:11] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: not the
first time I hear about forcing OpenGL for KSP....
L540[13:10:29] <ve2dmn> I heard it's a
unity thing, not just KSP
L541[13:11:56] <Milo> I, too prefer OGL, I
need to force it for Factorio too, or at least I did a few versions
ago... Honestly, I wish DX would die in a fire.
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L544[13:16:00] <ve2dmn> I remember a quote
from college: "Student: Why are we learning OpenGL? Nobody
uses that. Teacher: Really? Nobody? Try more like 'Everyone outside
of Microsoft gaming'"
L545[13:17:03] <ve2dmn> It was a shock to
him. He really had the impression that OpenGL was dying. He never
stopped tp consider that 'maybe' that Playstation wasn't using a
Microsoft technology...
L546[13:20:25] <RandomJeb> microsoft
directX 12 for unix and BSD
L547[13:23:00] <RandomJeb> the final nail
in the openGL coffin
L548[13:23:34] *
madmerlyn scratches head.
L549[13:24:13] <Althego> hah, my stock
prop mk2 is almost working
L550[13:24:27] <Althego> (just as 1a was
almost working)
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L552[13:27:35] <ve2dmn> RandomJeb: DirectX
for Xenix
L553[13:31:41] <ve2dmn> Which version of
Unity is KSP currently running on?
L554[13:32:41] <madmerlyn> whatever
version came out before 2017, which is what they're migrating to I
believe
L555[13:33:24] <ve2dmn> I wonder how good
the Vulkan Support is...
L556[13:35:39] <Althego> now it tries to
use thermometers and a linear rcs port trapped inside them
L557[13:35:56] <Althego> but after a speed
it shakes itself out
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L564[13:52:49] <Althego> the previous
design tried to brush against the wall of the empty fuselage part,
that worked a lot worse
L565[13:56:57] <ve2dmn> new Manley
video
L568[13:58:13] <kmath> YouTube - Celestial
Command
L569[13:58:50] <Althego> changed the
thermometers to cubic... it is a bit better
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L572[14:02:06] <Althego> i want stock
props
L573[14:02:08] <Althego> so badly
L575[14:04:04] <madmerlyn> Frank, look, I
don't have to go anymore.
L576[14:06:15] <Draconiator> Althe....Keep
wishing...I needed to download some.
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L578[14:19:00] <Althego> i swear the wheel
is the hardest invention for the kerbals
L579[14:19:09] <Althego> that is why they
have rockets before it
L580[14:19:16] <madmerlyn> they have to be
hard, have you seen some of your landings?
L581[14:19:48] <Althego> i have a great
trouble with axle and bearing
L583[14:21:22] <kmath> YouTube - Sriracha
Sauce and the Surprisingly Heartwarming Story Behind It
L584[14:22:01] <madmerlyn> heartwarming,
heartburn, same difference right?
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L586[14:26:20] <ve2dmn> The guy who made
the sauce originaly care more about the product then making
profit
L587[14:27:06] <ve2dmn> He turned down
several buiness proposition because "they were not interested
in sauce, only in profit. I just want to make good
sauce"
L588[14:28:06] <ve2dmn> He also never rose
prices, so pretty much everything time you see the Hoy Food Roaster
Sauce, it's probably the original since it's easier to buy the
original then try to copy it
L589[14:28:22] <ve2dmn> (With 1 notable
exception being Taco Bell)
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L592[14:35:46] <Althego> lol i put wheels
inside the hollow fuselage
L593[14:35:49] <Althego> seems to be
working
L594[14:36:17] <Althego> strangely only
one and is dislocating from the cubic... cage
L595[14:36:40] <Althego> if i could get
rid of that, i could also remove the wheels
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L600[14:50:40] <Althego> just reaches 30
m/s not enough for flight
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L602[14:51:10] <Althego> it is way smaller
so it would need more reaction wheels
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L604[14:52:47] <madmerlyn> what if the
Fermi paradox "Great Filter" is laundry detergent?
L605[14:53:35] <madmerlyn> once a
civilization becomes sufficiently advanced to invent single use
laundry detergent pods, it promptly falls into decline as a result
of youth poisoning themselves ingesting it
L606[14:53:55] <madmerlyn> and that is why
there are no interstellar civilizations in our telescopes
L607[14:54:02] <Althego> 40, almost
flying
L609[14:54:16] <Althego> haha that
stupidity
L610[14:54:35] <Althego> now make it a
tilt engine
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L612[14:55:46] <Draconiator> if it turns
out we are really alone in the universe...it would be because some
teenage aliens did stupid stuff...like trying to put a ship power
core of their butt or something...
L613[14:58:03] <Althego> heh, 44. it flew
a little
L614[14:58:08] <madmerlyn> "Hey guys,
it's ya boy weebo on AlienTube, and today I'm doing the antimatter
engine core anal challenge!"
L615[14:58:26] <Althego> lol
L616[14:58:32] <Althego> remember cinnamon
challenge?
L617[14:58:35] <Althego> was the same
stuff
L618[14:59:05] <madmerlyn> same generation
too
L619[14:59:12] <madmerlyn> they're just
morons
L620[14:59:21] <Althego> same? it is so
old it was on mytbusters
L621[14:59:50] <madmerlyn> eh.. wasn't
that long ago
L622[15:00:05] <madmerlyn> also
mythbusters ran until like 2016
L623[15:00:36] <madmerlyn> wiki says it
peaked in Jan 2012
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L626[15:08:00] <Zarthus> i never watched
mythbusters that much
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L638[15:48:13] <ve2dmn> Mythbuster is the
only thing I missed since I got rid of Cable in 2001
L639[15:48:31] <Fluburtur> I put my ram
dump into another drive because it was filling my SSD
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L642[15:53:22] <madmerlyn> ram dump?
L643[15:53:28] <madmerlyn> like the
windows minidump files?
L644[15:53:35] <Fluburtur> idk
L645[15:53:54] <Fluburtur> but when there
is too much crap in the ram it writes it on a disk as virtual
ram
L646[15:54:11] <madmerlyn> that's why I
gravitate towards OSS systems at home, I can just set up my logs
etc to go wherever I want them too
L647[15:54:18] <madmerlyn> oh that's
pagefile/swap
L648[15:54:40] <madmerlyn> yeah I wouldn't
use a pagefile on SSD at all in Windows if I had a secondary
conventional HDD
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L650[15:58:35] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur:
Swapfile
L651[15:58:50] <ve2dmn> (or
pagefile)
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L655[16:00:55] <Fluburtur> yeah
L656[16:01:08] <Fluburtur> I was playing
rust and it destroyed my ssd
L657[16:01:25] <ve2dmn> Death by
swap
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L661[16:17:20] <madmerlyn> Facility: Yeah
the fax on 300 hall doesn't work. Me: does it at least print?
Facility: no, it doesn't work at all
L662[16:17:31] <madmerlyn> remote in,
look, everything appears to be working
L663[16:17:32] <madmerlyn> call back
L664[16:18:01] <madmerlyn> Facility: no,
the printer works just fine, just not the fax. ....ok can you put
me on the phone with someone physically in front of it?
L665[16:18:14] <madmerlyn> Nurse: it
doesn't work unless we put a 9 in front of the number.
L666[16:18:24] <madmerlyn> well yes,
that's how your phone system is set up, correct.
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L668[16:20:32] <madmerlyn> next thing you
know I'll be fielding tickets for people who say long distance
faxes don't work without the area code
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L671[16:35:21] <Mathuin> Back in the day,
PBXen couldn't handle facsimile machines.
L672[16:35:27] <Mathuin> They had
dedicated outside lines.
L673[16:35:56] <Mathuin> At about the same
time, folks who installed burglar alarms needed dedicated lines to
call the alarm center to report breakins.
L674[16:36:00] <madmerlyn> back in the
day, I had to load cards with holes in them into my computer, it
took all day to do 3 minutes of math, I tell ya!
L675[16:36:10] <Mathuin> Cheapskates used
the same line as the machines.
L676[16:36:17] <Mathuin> And yes, I've
actually *used* punch cards.
L677[16:36:39] <Mathuin> The year before I
went to college, card readers were still in use at the school I
attended.
L678[16:36:44] <Mathuin> We had one in
high school.
L679[16:36:48] <madmerlyn> video games?
puhlease, I remember when video games were a flashlight and shadows
we made with our hands
L680[16:39:53] <Mathuin> First video game
I ever had was a generic son-of-Pong variant, played on a Panasonic
black and white TV. I wonder what happened to it.
L681[16:40:14] <madmerlyn> ended up in the
trash along with all the other artifacts
L683[16:43:27] <madmerlyn> probably
photoshopped, but I chuckled
L684[16:45:43] <Mathuin> That kid is a
true capitalist.
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L698[17:17:36] <Draconiator> Yep, I suck
at flying VTOLs...lol
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L702[17:33:15] <ve2dmn> I fail at
computers...
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L707[17:37:26] <ve2dmn> I can<t force
opengl :/
L708[17:40:08] <BusyBanana> do you need
help or are you sure
L709[17:40:42] <ve2dmn> ok.... I think
that worked...
L710[17:41:03] <ve2dmn> It didn't like
resolutions above 1680x?
L711[17:41:13] <BusyBanana> strange
L712[17:41:22] <ve2dmn> More research is
needed
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L714[17:42:17] <ve2dmn> "Switching to
resolution 1920x1080 failed, trying lower one. All resolution
switches have failed"
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L716[17:43:45] <ve2dmn> it might be the
-popupwindow option...
L717[17:43:52] <BusyBanana> very
strange
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L721[17:44:58] <ve2dmn> not a new
bug
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L734[18:30:15] <GlassUnreal> ...why does
unreal engine by default have some auto-exposure feature enabled
that makes it look like a trashy smartphone camera
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L737[18:38:02] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: run
Linux? Only half kidding.
L738[18:38:27] <Mathuin> On the last page
of that thread, someone talks about windows registry
insanity.
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L766[21:45:53] <GlsFrg|phone> dumb place
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L782[23:24:39] <Ruedii> GlassUnreal:
Generally people don't use that post-process shader, and instead
make their own. Still I hate lens flare and excess bloom on my HDR
post-filters. I also don't like camera-style dark exposure, and
instead like natural eye style.
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