OCLogs: 2018-01-15.log

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L5[01:13:16] <darsie> Haha, I deorbited a contract built space station and it was aerodynamically stable and upon hitting dense atmosphere it started to rise and climbed 10+ km :) http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot141.png http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot143.png

L6[01:14:11] <darsie> I flew almost half across Kerbin.

L7[01:15:02] <darsie> I tried to direct it into a small lake and successfully changed heading but ran out of battery to bring it down there.

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L9[01:17:59] <Althego> hehe typical early career tourist rocket of mine

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L13[01:26:04] <Gasher[work]> yeah same

L14[01:27:11] <Dfthu_> Anyone watch the Vikings game?

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L16[01:30:33] <darsie> Yeah, I'm too lazy to make more complex missions, usually. I got the whole tech tree and upgraded all the buildings. Have 20+ MVF.

L17[01:31:33] <Gasher[work]> also MIRV tourist vehicles

L18[01:32:11] <darsie> Cause, what's the point of testing the TT38K radial decoupler at the surface of Eeloo ...

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L54[04:20:26] <taniwha> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuIIjLr6vUA

L55[04:20:26] <kmath> YouTube - Numberphile v. Math: the truth about 1+2+3+...=-1/12

L56[04:20:41] <taniwha> (by Mathologer)

L57[04:20:58] <taniwha> /very/ interesting stuff in there

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L60[04:39:39] <Mat2ch> how does anyone get to the idea that 1+2+3 becomse something negative?

L61[04:39:46] <Mat2ch> *becomes

L62[04:39:56] <Mat2ch> (no Jarjar here)

L63[04:42:57] <UmbralRaptor> Weirdness with divergent series.

L64[04:43:31] <Mat2ch> But this one is pretty obvious. I've seen other divergent series which weren't

L65[04:44:37] <taniwha> Mat2ch: look at a full hyperbola

L66[04:45:00] <taniwha> (my justification)

L67[04:45:16] <taniwha> that -1/12 is the other (non-physical) side of a hyperbolic trajectory

L68[04:45:25] <TheKosmonaut> Try 1+2+3 on iOS.

L69[04:45:31] <TheKosmonaut> You'll get something good

L70[04:45:38] <taniwha> (using polar coordinates where r=l/(1+e*cos(theta))

L71[04:45:42] <taniwha> )

L72[04:45:54] <TheKosmonaut> In fact, let me record that and demonstrate. I don't trust anything from my phone calculator anymore because of this.

L73[04:46:35] <TheKosmonaut> Aww. They fixed it.

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L75[04:48:01] <TheKosmonaut> Anyway, the problem was that the animations were slow and causing the calculator to make errors if you tapped the buttons faster than the animation took to complete. So, instead of 1+2+3=6, you'd get 18 or some other nonsense.

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L80[05:34:55] <GuestBanana> Any other TS fans here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfnCAmr569k

L81[05:34:55] <kmath> YouTube - Taylor Swift - End Game ft. Ed Sheeran, Future

L82[05:38:02] <GuestBanana> (to be honest, reputation is my least favorite Swift album, I think 1989 is the best album she's made)

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L84[05:41:43] <GuestBanana> Ugh, browsing on yt and just can't escape Taco Bell's new "Belluminati" advertising campaign. Anyone else think it's stupid?

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L90[05:56:14] <Mat2ch> .oO( Taylor Swift? Ed Sheeran? What has this channel become? This is scary... )

L91[05:59:11] <GuestBanana> boo

L92[06:00:03] <GuestBanana> I don't really like Ed that much and boycott most of his songs because of "Shape of You."

L93[06:01:10] <Gasher[work]> Mat2ch, idk, weird people and their random music

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L95[06:05:42] <Guest91830> does the demo for 1.3.1 have a release date?

L96[06:08:44] <GuestBanana> um... it was released already... https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/166184-kerbal-space-program-131-is-live/

L97[06:09:25] <GuestBanana> Gasher[work]: I'm OFFENDED :0

L98[06:09:30] <GuestBanana> (sarcasm)

L99[06:10:13] <Gasher[work]> bad joke

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L102[06:23:57] <Blaank> Delta 4 sure is a fine rocket.

L103[06:25:41] <sandbox> yup

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L108[07:01:50] <Fluburtur> the guys who took the photos didn't even know how a violin works https://www.banggood.com/44-Maple-Electric-Violin-Full-Size-with-Ebony-Fittings-Cable-Headphone-Case-p-1252377.html?rmmds=newArrivals&ID=224&cur_warehouse=CN

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L110[07:11:24] <Althego> why do you think that?

L111[07:11:42] <Fluburtur> didn't put the bridge on

L112[07:12:46] <Althego> what is a bridge?

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L114[07:13:05] <Fluburtur> this part https://1nn0ej3p5bo4262udm4626nz-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/violin-bridge-shape-.jpg

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L116[07:19:00] <Nervenkobold> hello world

L117[07:21:31] <Althego> hello

L118[07:21:32] <Mod9000> Hello, Althego

L119[07:21:35] <Althego> he

L120[07:21:41] <Althego> i thought it only reacts to hi

L121[07:22:35] <Truga> hi

L122[07:22:36] <Mod9000> Hello, Truga

L123[07:24:38] <Nervenkobold> someone tries rss for 1.3.1?

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L135[08:20:10] <Fluburtur> im making a gofundme thing to get a 3d printer just to see if it works and I have no idea what to name the donation level things

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L137[08:39:59] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch I started a gofundme thing, want to see?

L138[08:40:37] <JCB> mmmmmmm morn'n... mmmmonday... >_<

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L153[09:07:48] <madmerlyn> greetings earthlings

L154[09:09:00] <madmerlyn> oh hey it's my imgur cakeday

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L161[09:31:43] <madmerlyn> so my usi-ls calculator is going to be purely for agroponics since the other converters are subject to staffing efficiencies which makes the calculation substantially more complex

L162[09:32:08] <madmerlyn> the recycler calculation is what I'm stuck on already because it has a lot of layers to address to calculate properly

L163[09:33:19] <madmerlyn> because if you bring 3 kerbals but only recycler capacity for 2, the rate modifier has to apply only to 21.6 instead of the full amount of 32.4

L164[09:33:53] <madmerlyn> but if you bring 3 kerbals and 6 recyclers, the rate modifier has to be adjusted to have a ceiling of the highest % converter

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L181[09:56:52] <madmerlyn> such quiet much silence

L182[09:57:29] <JCB> the humm of digital traffic huh?

L183[09:57:33] <ve2dmn> want me to break it?

L184[09:57:43] <Fluburtur> I have internet cuts every 30 seconds

L185[09:58:08] <ve2dmn> Still sick btw.

L186[09:58:17] <ve2dmn> This morning, I am headache

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L188[09:58:25] <Fluburtur> U glued the handle and blade of the letter opener together

L189[09:58:33] <Fluburtur> good ol epoxy and wood dust

L190[09:58:49] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn maybe it's time to see a doctor

L191[09:59:11] <ve2dmn> It's just the flu

L192[09:59:22] <madmerlyn> so I just watched Strazenblitz's Duna on EC+Xenon only mission, that's nuts

L193[09:59:41] <ve2dmn> I'm actually better then yesterday and would have gone to work if I had a good night sleep

L194[09:59:43] <madmerlyn> built a giant helicopter catapult

L195[09:59:53] <madmerlyn> to get off the ground

L196[10:00:53] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn that last script I found I think is my favorite vertical kOS launch script so far, I just need to adjust the turn on it to save a little dv I think

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L199[10:01:15] <madmerlyn> it's pretty consistently putting me in orbits around 80km for 3600-3700 dv

L200[10:01:40] <JCB> ugh.. two flu.. flu's.. maybe a few other things floating around. Its been a rough start to the year for a lot of people

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L202[10:02:12] <JCB> also finally got latest ksp...

L203[10:02:23] <madmerlyn> I think with a 2 stage launch vehicle it'd probably be a little cheaper as it doesn't really account for large changes in TWR on staging very well

L204[10:02:45] <madmerlyn> currently I'm launching 1 stage launch vehicles and then doing the last 150-300m/s with the payload

L205[10:03:19] <madmerlyn> although I could possibly try to tune an upper stage to do that last push and then deorbit itself

L206[10:03:23] <Flub2> I used the hairdrier to melt nutella on bread

L207[10:03:26] <Flub2> I am a genius

L208[10:03:35] <ve2dmn> ...

L209[10:03:44] <ve2dmn> Why do you need to melt nutella?

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L211[10:03:59] <ve2dmn> Do you keep it in the fridge?

L212[10:04:00] <JCB_> blep..

L213[10:04:02] <Flub2> was hard

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L215[10:04:07] <JCB_> browser crash.. >_<

L216[10:04:08] <madmerlyn> why not just make caramel in a pan and pour that on your toast, it's basically the same thing

L217[10:04:11] <Truga> nutella absorbed into bread is better than just plain bread+nutella

L218[10:04:13] <Truga> :p

L219[10:04:18] <madmerlyn> nutella is like 60% sugar by volume

L220[10:04:21] <Truga> yes

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L222[10:04:53] <Truga> your body is 80% water and you're not seeing me tell you to just replace it with a balloon, are you?

L223[10:04:56] <Truga> yet, anyway :D

L224[10:05:03] <ve2dmn> Flub2: you are not suppose to keep Nutella in the fridge as far as I know

L225[10:05:14] <JCB_> toast+nutella

L226[10:05:17] <Flub2> wasn't in the fridge

L227[10:05:18] <madmerlyn> the difference is 99.9% of people don't eat humans so that argument is irrelevant

L228[10:05:19] <Truga> you can keep nutella literally anywhere :D

L229[10:05:19] <JCB_> but thats' just me

L230[10:05:22] <Flub2> but wasn't warm either

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L232[10:05:34] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I really like Nutella+PB

L233[10:05:35] <Truga> madmerlyn 99.9% of people also don't eat raw sugar

L234[10:05:35] *** JCB_ is now known as JCB

L235[10:05:37] <madmerlyn> you can keep sugar/caramel literally anywhere

L236[10:05:44] <ve2dmn> Just the right amount of sugar-slaty

L237[10:05:45] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so this is my first Duna aerobrake.... I think 8950m might be pushing it

L238[10:05:47] <madmerlyn> nutella is pretty much raw sugar

L239[10:05:56] <JCB> nutella+PB -> receses pieces?

L240[10:06:06] <ve2dmn> JCB: not exactly

L241[10:06:20] <ve2dmn> Reese taste more like sugar

L242[10:06:22] <JCB> well aside from crunch shell :P

L243[10:06:29] <madmerlyn> also our bodies aren't 80% water, it's more like 70%

L244[10:06:38] <ve2dmn> While Nutella doesn't 'taste' like raw sugar

L245[10:07:19] <madmerlyn> you can add a splash of vanilla extract or whatever to your caramel to make it taste not like pure sugar

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L247[10:07:32] <JCB> humm... I should probably go grab some coffee or something

L248[10:07:32] <madmerlyn> the point is nutella is just flavored sugar

L249[10:07:40] <ve2dmn> Yes, it is

L250[10:08:13] <JCB> whats that black and white spread?

L251[10:08:50] <ve2dmn> JCB: I know what you are talking about...

L252[10:08:57] <madmerlyn> you want a good breakfast toast, very lightly butter your bread and slap a couple thin slices of colby jack on it before you stick it in the toaster oven

L253[10:09:20] <JCB> search shows.. Dellinut?

L254[10:09:25] <ve2dmn> What's Colby Jack?

L255[10:09:30] <madmerlyn> cheese

L256[10:09:55] <JCB> I remember putting chocolate wafers on toast back when used to visit Denmark back in the 80s

L257[10:10:44] <Flub2> uh I think my left elbow is malfuctioning

L258[10:10:45] <madmerlyn> how do you not have colby jack in Canada? :P Surely you have cows, and you're probably closer to Wisconsin than I am :P

L259[10:11:04] <madmerlyn> it's that delightful cheese that's yellow and white

L260[10:11:05] <ve2dmn> We don't have that Trademark

L261[10:11:42] <madmerlyn> I mean colby jack isn't a brand or anything, just like swiss and cheddar aren't specific to any single brand or origin

L262[10:11:57] <JCB> I've probably had colby jack before... just didn't know it was named that

L263[10:12:07] <madmerlyn> in fact the only cheese I can think that is established as a trademark is Roquefort, which is actually just bleu cheese

L264[10:12:11] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I made some sort of spinny-kraken happen

L265[10:12:18] <ve2dmn> I probably know it under another name then

L266[10:12:27] <Flub2> Roquefort is a town in france

L267[10:12:39] <FltAdmVonSpiz> started ship spinning for reentry, then it started going faster and faster and faster until all my drop tanks fell off and the thing expldoed

L268[10:12:39] <madmerlyn> where they make Roquefort cheese in a factory in a cave, yes Flub

L269[10:12:51] <madmerlyn> IIRC it's the most expensive cheese you can buy

L270[10:12:57] <JCB> mmm.. bleu cheese salad dressing.. good.. bleu cheese itself, egh.. sorta up in the air.

L271[10:13:10] <madmerlyn> it's Bleu cheese, from a very specific location, they call it Roquefort

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L273[10:13:35] <ve2dmn> JCB: was this what you were referencing? https://az836796.vo.msecnd.net/media/image/product/fr/large/0006659202580.jpg

L274[10:14:21] <madmerlyn> I've never had Roquefort cheese myself, but it looks like it's just a snobby aged bleu cheese from what I've read about its production

L275[10:14:40] <Flub_ugh> auvergne bleu is better

L276[10:14:41] <madmerlyn> and colby jack is colby cheese combined with monterrey jack cheese before its pressed, hence the name colby jack

L277[10:14:52] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: we call those "Marble cheese"

L278[10:15:11] <JCB> lve2dmn eh... not sure. I jsut remember it being black? and white, closely spaced colors.. think the dollar store here used to sell it for a brief time

L279[10:15:23] <madmerlyn> either way, it makes fantastic breakfast toast :P

L280[10:15:40] <madmerlyn> almost like pizza, but not nearly as many calories

L281[10:15:53] <ve2dmn> I'll stick with my PB since I've cut all Dairy from my dieet

L282[10:16:04] <madmerlyn> my condolences.

L283[10:16:06] <ve2dmn> well... not ALL dairy

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L285[10:16:28] <ve2dmn> But I try to minimise it so I don't get digestion issues

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L287[10:16:45] <ve2dmn> Yogurt is a big 'no'

L288[10:16:51] <JCB> I've barely touched milk...

L289[10:16:59] <ve2dmn> Ice cream is a 'maybe', but only in moderation

L290[10:17:05] <JCB> I just don't bother... not like I'm purposefully avoiding it

L291[10:17:23] <madmerlyn> yesterday for lunch wife made tater tots with ground beef, kidney beans and melted cheddar on top, home made chili cheese tots almost, just without as much chili sauce

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L293[10:17:29] <madmerlyn> was pretty awesome

L294[10:17:31] <ve2dmn> But since I always eat too much of it, I avoid buying it entirely

L295[10:17:52] <madmerlyn> just buy the overpriced tiny cups of ice cream

L296[10:18:01] <EricPoehlsen> argh it is nerve-wrecking - doing the _one-life-challenge

L297[10:18:10] <madmerlyn> 1 life challenge?

L298[10:18:27] <madmerlyn> that like, no reverts, no kerbal respawns?

L299[10:18:29] <ve2dmn> Even then. If I eat the entire thin, I'll be feeling bad for the rest of the day

L300[10:18:43] <EricPoehlsen> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/168967-one-life-how-far-can-you-get/&page=5&tab=comments#comment-3267541

L301[10:18:45] <madmerlyn> you tried enzyme pills?

L302[10:19:16] <ve2dmn> Does not work

L303[10:19:19] <EricPoehlsen> One ship - one launch - no quicksave

L304[10:19:40] <EricPoehlsen> only stock parts

L305[10:19:43] <JCB> so.. basically everything in one big go?

L306[10:19:44] <madmerlyn> grand tour without saving? sounds boring.

L307[10:20:08] <EricPoehlsen> well at least that is what I try

L308[10:20:18] <madmerlyn> this weeks' reddit challenge is fun

L309[10:20:22] <EricPoehlsen> I have no clue if it will work out

L310[10:20:34] <madmerlyn> drop a kerbal from a plane and then catch the kerbal before landing the plane

L311[10:20:41] <EricPoehlsen> because 'no testing' was also part of the challenge

L312[10:20:51] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: basically, I can eat almost anything in moderation... I'm not good with moderation.

L313[10:21:01] <madmerlyn> 'no testing' is a silly part of a challenge because if you fail you can just try it again

L314[10:21:04] <EricPoehlsen> so I think based on the delta-v maps that it should work out

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L316[10:21:25] <ve2dmn> I have a prescription, but I talked with the doctor into stopping it because of side-effects.

L317[10:21:26] <JCB> ugh... no testing.. if it fails on the pad.. ya well

L318[10:21:43] <EricPoehlsen> you may retry but with a new safe

L319[10:21:54] <EricPoehlsen> no reuse of the craft file

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L321[10:22:00] <ve2dmn> So my life is one big food experiement right now,

L322[10:22:02] <madmerlyn> which nullifies any parameter of no testing

L323[10:22:11] <JCB> ugh... sounds like any time KSP got updated

L324[10:22:19] <JCB> some craft parts got messed with

L325[10:22:24] <madmerlyn> whatever floats your boat, but those restrictions are just time-wasters

L326[10:22:30] <JCB> had to start new mission/game state all over

L327[10:22:44] <EricPoehlsen> well it is a challenge - you can take it or leave it

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L329[10:22:58] <EricPoehlsen> and I thought I'll give it a try

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L331[10:23:03] <JCB> bad enough I got my own challenges... first being getting the nerve to do some recordings

L332[10:23:13] <ve2dmn> EricPoehlsen: I prefer the 'hard carreer, flag-on-mun as fast as you can' challenge

L333[10:23:33] <madmerlyn> right but a challenge that says "delete your ship if you fail" just translates into, "rebuild it from scratch in the VAB all over again, except slightly differently to account for the failure"

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L335[10:23:43] <ve2dmn> you can't just do it in one go, because you need to be able to do EVA and plant flags

L336[10:23:47] <EricPoehlsen> hmm - my normal safegame is a heavily modded hard savegame with USI-LS

L337[10:24:09] <EricPoehlsen> and that means I have not yet done a grand tour

L338[10:24:19] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn drop a kerbal at 5km and catch him before he splats with a plane :P

L339[10:24:32] <EricPoehlsen> because with all the stuff you carry around for life support

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L341[10:24:36] <darsie> Did I just get to LKO with 2327 m/s dv?

L342[10:24:47] <madmerlyn> my ultimate endgame will be a grand tour with USI-LS

L343[10:25:14] <ve2dmn> My ultimate goal is a Kolony on Laythe and Eeeloo, with USI-LS

L344[10:25:21] <JCB> guess I'm one of the few that doesn't actually like tossing kerbals around like rag dolls...

L345[10:25:22] <Althego> that is impossible, because it is around the orbital speed, and you still have drag and gravity losses

L346[10:25:23] <madmerlyn> which will most likely mean manufacturing fertilizer robotically before the kerbals arrive

L347[10:25:56] <darsie> Althego: right

L348[10:26:29] <madmerlyn> hab time could be a big issue, but USI has the medical bay, would just have to calculate how many kolony supplies I'd have to bring along to stretch hab out

L349[10:27:02] <EricPoehlsen> madmerlyn: send pilots they get unlimited hab from 1y - the rest from 50y

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L351[10:27:27] <madmerlyn> I'm not going to do a grandtour with only pilots and scouts :P

L352[10:27:45] <ve2dmn> EricPoehlsen: can you explain that? The hab thing is a bit confusing to me...

L353[10:28:02] <madmerlyn> I'm thinking 6 kerbals, 1 pilot, 2 scientists, 2 engineers, and 1 specialist, maybe a botanist

L354[10:28:24] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn USI-LS pilots and Scouts don't get homesick if they have enough hab space for 1y

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L356[10:28:44] <EricPoehlsen> well the hab time is calculated by the kerbalmonth/module * modifies ...

L357[10:28:50] <madmerlyn> RD put that in to make pilots and scouts the kerbonauts who go to a planet first to set everything up

L358[10:29:02] <ve2dmn> Make sense I guess

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L360[10:29:25] <ve2dmn> I tend to build big, so it's never been an issue...

L361[10:29:26] <EricPoehlsen> well the 1y / 50y is quiet extreme

L362[10:29:34] <madmerlyn> the "lore" justification for it is pilots and scouts spend extensive training on Kerbin for coping with prolonged solitude etc.

L363[10:29:57] <darsie> I used 800 instead of 5*800 for fuel mass. How about 2707 m/s?

L364[10:29:57] <ve2dmn> but I was always a bit confused

L365[10:30:42] <JCB> which mod does specialists?

L366[10:30:54] <ve2dmn> darsie: FAR? Magic Engine mods?

L367[10:30:56] <Mat2ch> Flub2: Flub_ugh: So... did you get my message?

L368[10:30:59] <Mat2ch> also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0nwRnL2hPU

L369[10:30:59] <kmath> YouTube - Wintergatan Soundtrack 02 - MOON AND STAR

L370[10:31:05] <darsie> ve2dmn: stock

L371[10:31:16] <Flub_ugh> not sure

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L373[10:31:21] <ve2dmn> JCB: USI-MKS as far as I know

L374[10:31:24] <Flub_ugh> I had a lot of internet problems today

L375[10:31:28] <Flub_ugh> and it's still not over

L376[10:32:47] <darsie> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/images/thumb/7/73/KerbinDeltaVMap.png/600px-KerbinDeltaVMap.png says 3400 to KEO. I did it in 2707 m/s. Neglecting increasing Isp of my first stage Reliant engine.

L377[10:33:15] <Althego> 2800 is possible easily

L378[10:33:28] <Althego> i guess 2700 is still in that range

L379[10:33:46] <ve2dmn> darsie: not impossible, but I'm a bit skeptical

L380[10:33:59] <JCB> vmadmerlyn guessing by specialist you meant someone in one extra field?

L381[10:34:03] <ve2dmn> If you can, you have to show me your ways, sensei

L382[10:34:27] <madmerlyn> like I said, Botanist or something, but yes

L383[10:34:38] <madmerlyn> MKS adds a lot of additional classes besides Pilot, Eng, and Sci

L384[10:34:50] <Flub_ugh> nah Mat2ch didn't get your message

L385[10:34:54] <ve2dmn> JCB: MKS introduces Kolonists that have different bonus. Like Geologist or Botanists

L386[10:34:55] <darsie> That's my rocket: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot144.png

L387[10:35:18] <madmerlyn> what's your abort? ;)

L388[10:35:25] <UmbralRaptor> Just to confirm, this is 2700 m/s as measured by MJ or the, right?

L389[10:35:41] <JCB> ya look'n at it now...

L390[10:35:54] <darsie> Better pic: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot145.png

L391[10:35:55] <madmerlyn> I wish there was a proper stock LES for the mk1 pod, the stock and MRS LES both are designed for the larger mk1-2 pod

L392[10:36:01] <JCB> just got me thinking... missions specilists...

L393[10:36:08] <darsie> UmbralRaptor: Calculated with my calculator.

L394[10:36:29] <ve2dmn> darsie: otherwise, you need to use the rocket equation and take into account the difference between Atmospheric ISP and vacuum ISP

L395[10:36:31] <madmerlyn> JCB basically the core 3 classes can do EVERYTHING, but the specialists have smaller MKS skillsets, but are a lot cheaper to recruit

L396[10:36:47] <madmerlyn> hiring a pilot costs 50k in MKS, you can hire a scout for 10k IIRC

L397[10:36:58] <darsie> ve2dmn: As I said, I assumed ASL for first stage and vacuum for second stage.

L398[10:37:11] <madmerlyn> or a generic "kolonist" for 1k if you're just wanting to fill out a base roster

L399[10:37:32] <UmbralRaptor> personal rule of thumb: 1st stage operates in 0.5 atm, 2nd in vacuum.

L400[10:37:43] <darsie> k

L401[10:37:44] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: do the Stupidity or Courage do anything in MKS?

L402[10:37:57] <madmerlyn> not unless RD changed something in the last year

L403[10:38:13] <madmerlyn> he dabbled with stupidity affecting their efficiency but I think he took that out

L404[10:38:14] <ve2dmn> Then why does it cost more to recruit?

L405[10:38:29] <madmerlyn> well I dunno, maybe it does, let me search wiki

L406[10:38:54] <ve2dmn> I try to recruit 'not stupid' scientist and courageous pilots... you never know

L407[10:39:26] <ve2dmn> but it's mostly for the fun of it

L408[10:39:29] <madmerlyn> I don't think they actually do anything

L409[10:39:37] <madmerlyn> I think he plans on implementing it

L410[10:39:51] <madmerlyn> but the only reference to it I see is in the "outdated tutorials archive"

L411[10:40:01] <ve2dmn> darsie: I could make the same craft and tell you exact numbers with KER. Gimme a sec

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L414[10:40:59] <darsie> ve2dmn: ok. I'll see at what Isp the first stage burns out ...

L415[10:41:08] <madmerlyn> searching MKS code only 2 references to stupidity and both are in regards to hiring the kerbal

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L417[10:41:26] <madmerlyn> which means there's no active code for stupidity modifying efficiency AFAIK

L418[10:41:45] <madmerlyn> unless it has a weird name in the source, which is possible

L419[10:42:12] <madmerlyn> nope, source calls it KStupidity

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L421[10:44:40] <ve2dmn> darsie: acording to KER, the entire thing has 3591 if used in vaccum

L422[10:44:56] <Althego> which is ok

L423[10:45:07] <Althego> i think i used to have a reference rocket exactly the same size

L424[10:45:13] <Althego> for aero testing

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L426[10:45:37] <ve2dmn> The first stage is 1961 Vacuum or 1676 at 1 atmosphere

L427[10:46:23] <ve2dmn> Second stage is 1631 (vac) 402 (sea level)

L428[10:46:26] <JCB> wonder if the badass trait makes them cost more? :)

L429[10:46:37] <ve2dmn> JCB: it does

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L431[10:46:59] <JCB> was reading up on the wiki... was some debate over the hex code for kerbal colors... which version was closer to the word badass

L432[10:47:38] <darsie> ve2dmn: Yeah, I could calculate that, too. So it doesn't integrate Isp along my trajectory and consider the fuel left when I make orbit. My orbit was more like 71 km also.

L433[10:47:53] <madmerlyn> I can't find any code in RD's source that suggests the stupidity and courage do anything but modify the cost of hiring

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L435[10:48:00] <ve2dmn> darsie: fun thing to note, The second stage has less then 1m/s below 5km on Eve

L436[10:48:21] <ve2dmn> how much fuel did you have left?

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L438[10:48:48] <darsie> ve2dmn: I used 137.15 fuel (*5).

L439[10:48:52] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: sad. I'll still pay the not-stupid tax I guess

L440[10:49:10] <ve2dmn> darsie: how much left in the tank?

L441[10:49:32] <darsie> ve2dmn: 200-137.15.

L442[10:50:04] <darsie> 62.86

L443[10:50:50] <madmerlyn> maybe my "specialist" for my grand tour one day will be a Medic

L444[10:50:51] <ve2dmn> so, around 27LF and 33Ox ?

L445[10:51:02] <madmerlyn> so 1 pilot, 2 scientists, 1 engineer, and 1 medic

L446[10:51:09] <darsie> yeah

L447[10:51:11] <ve2dmn> that would leave the ship with 576 remaining m/s of dV

L448[10:51:26] <madmerlyn> that's only 5 though, I'll bring a technician too, like an engineer but less awesome

L449[10:51:43] <darsie> ve2dmn: But the question is, how much dv did I use to orbit.

L450[10:52:45] <ve2dmn> between 1500 and 3000

L451[10:52:50] <darsie> ok :)

L452[10:52:51] <JCB> mm....

L453[10:53:05] <JCB> some reason, got me thinking classic lego space mixed with KSP...

L454[10:53:16] <Althego> hehe

L455[10:53:24] <Althego> mechjeb can measure the exact delta v used

L456[10:53:37] <madmerlyn> calculating true dv is difficult on account of your specific impulse changing with atmosphere, the dv maps published are assuming vacuum dv for simplicity

L457[10:53:38] <Althego> but it is a continuously changing function because of air dansity

L458[10:53:49] <madmerlyn> if KER says you have 3400 vacuum dv on your first stage, then that's enough to make orbit

L459[10:53:55] <Althego> so you have to integrate the effects over the whole descent

L460[10:54:00] <madmerlyn> even though it's less dv than that in practice due to the atmosphere

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L462[10:54:24] <JCB> ugh lots of reading

L463[10:54:25] <Althego> this is my reference rocket i dont know if it still works or not http://warpology.com/k/Low%20Tech%201.craft

L464[10:54:36] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: you'll make Orbit IF your TWR is high enough

L465[10:54:47] <madmerlyn> well clearly

L466[10:54:49] <ve2dmn> ... I had that issue several times

L467[10:55:12] <madmerlyn> obviously if your rocket can't lift off the pad or takes super heavy gravity or drag losses, it'll take more

L468[10:55:18] <ve2dmn> I tried to bring more fuel in orbit... and in the end, the fuel stayed on the launchpad

L469[10:55:19] <JCB> oh sorry for side question but... landing struts and shrouds? That just a defunct tweekable or?

L470[10:55:34] <madmerlyn> that's why the values on the dv map assume a rocket that can perform at an average level

L471[10:55:43] <darsie> This time I had 39.09+29.53 left.

L472[10:55:51] <darsie> This time I had 36.09+29.53 left.

L473[10:56:06] <ve2dmn> darsie: the dV map is for 80km btw

L474[10:56:10] <darsie> yeah

L475[10:56:37] <darsie> But I want to give a friend who's new to KSP some figures.

L476[10:57:06] <darsie> Current orbit is pretty much 70 km.

L477[10:57:12] <madmerlyn> I think if I can get my rockets to reliably autonomously launch with kOS at 3600dv I'll be happy with that, long as it's something I can be consistent with for preventing orbital space trash I'm happy

L478[10:57:22] <ve2dmn> I say go with Vaccum figures and stick with Highly efficient atmospheric engines for the first stages

L479[10:57:45] <madmerlyn> also I realized using a .625m stack separator doesn't generate trash because when I fire the next stage's engine it burns up the separator for me :P

L480[10:58:09] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I routinely use more then that because my designs lack proper TWR

L481[10:58:15] <darsie> Anyone ever hit space junk accidently?

L482[10:58:25] <ve2dmn> darsie: IRL or KSP?

L483[10:58:31] <darsie> KSP, ofc :).

L484[10:58:39] <ve2dmn> improbable

L485[10:58:46] <darsie> I hit rendezvous only.

L486[10:58:50] <madmerlyn> I had an upper stage destroy part of a station once

L487[10:58:53] <ve2dmn> Close call? sure.

L488[10:59:17] <darsie> madmerlyn: ok

L489[10:59:19] <madmerlyn> in one of my first careers, when it was not uncommon for me to have space trash in highly eccentric orbits near 80km on one side or the other

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L491[10:59:36] <madmerlyn> it's still very unlikely though

L492[10:59:50] <madmerlyn> even in KSP's universe, space is big

L493[10:59:54] <darsie> And I've see stuff pass.

L494[10:59:59] <ve2dmn> I have trash cleaners now

L495[11:00:22] <JCB> ugh.. this HG-55 looks cool but the.. I don't know about the extended look.. >_<

L496[11:00:25] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn my last career I'd prove a new mk3 design by running a debris removal mission with it

L497[11:00:36] <madmerlyn> had about 30 pods from rescue missions in low orbit

L498[11:00:46] <darsie> I usually terminate them.

L499[11:00:51] <madmerlyn> so new plane meant go get a pod

L500[11:00:58] <ve2dmn> (and I destroy anything that has orbit lower then 70km around Kerbin. No point in watching the thing deorbit slowly over 400 orbits)

L501[11:00:59] <darsie> :)

L502[11:01:14] <madmerlyn> yes I terminate anything that is classified as suborbital

L503[11:01:20] <madmerlyn> but I don't terminate anything else

L504[11:01:35] <madmerlyn> if I'm going to retire something in space I just mark it as debris

L505[11:01:40] <ve2dmn> darsie: I do that too if it 'should' have been destroyed

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L507[11:03:10] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn I kinda want to install the USI constellation beta thing now, but I'm afraid it'll make asteroids impossible for me :P

L508[11:03:29] <madmerlyn> or at least not feasible until I can research and afford an orion

L509[11:03:37] <ve2dmn> You mean, you don't have ART?

L510[11:03:42] <madmerlyn> no

L511[11:03:55] <ve2dmn> yeah. 27000 Tonnes can be hard to move

L512[11:04:23] <ve2dmn> Even with enough TWR, you run out of fuel

L513[11:05:02] <madmerlyn> it would be cool if you could break a piece off like they want to do with RL asteroid capture missions

L514[11:05:04] <ve2dmn> And with LV-N you watch you ship do a 45min burn at 4x

L515[11:05:12] <darsie> So my first stage's Isp goes from 265 to 307.8 (vaccum=310). I'll take the average ...

L516[11:05:26] <madmerlyn> lol I wouldn't do anything short of a rhino on any asteroid of considerable mass

L517[11:05:50] <madmerlyn> probably mean launching a behemoth capture vehicle and fueling it in Minmus orbit

L518[11:06:21] <madmerlyn> average isn't a good metric because the atmosphere isn't linear

L519[11:06:24] <ve2dmn> I only have access to LV-N right now and I've never anything siginificant with non-stock engines...

L520[11:06:57] <JCB> ugh....

L521[11:07:15] <ve2dmn> So my 'asteroids pushers' have several LV-N

L522[11:07:37] <madmerlyn> you get an Orion out there and it's easymode I've heard

L523[11:07:37] <Althego> asteroid pushing with ions! :)

L524[11:07:40] <ve2dmn> And I limit myself to Class A and Class B for now

L525[11:07:40] <JCB> I know there is mods, but how often do people find they have to compromise on some build stuff because there is no middle part?

L526[11:08:20] <madmerlyn> course by the time you have an Orion in orbit with fuel you don't really need the resources of an asteroid heh

L527[11:08:54] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: but ART makes Astroids more useful as containers

L528[11:09:33] <madmerlyn> yes but Orions have so much thrust and dv they're insane

L529[11:09:43] <darsie> Ok, so I made 70 km orbit with ~2817 m/s.

L530[11:09:59] <madmerlyn> in fact my USI-LS grand tour mothership in the distant future will probably use an Orion or Medusa

L531[11:10:02] <UmbralRaptor> darsie: makes sense.

L532[11:10:14] <Althego> as i said, 2800 is possible

L533[11:10:23] <madmerlyn> can cut the transit times to places like Eeloo down substantially when you have an Orion

L534[11:10:33] <UmbralRaptor> Out of curiosity, what did you get for the stage breakdown?

L535[11:10:43] <darsie> what?

L536[11:10:47] <darsie> ahh

L537[11:11:12] <darsie> 1812 1st stage, 1005 2nd stage.

L538[11:11:36] <madmerlyn> 2817m/s assuming average isp isn't very accurate though, because depending on your turn you could be getting an impulse closer to the lower or upper end of the spectrum

L539[11:12:09] <darsie> yeah

L540[11:12:10] <madmerlyn> the more aggressive your turn at low altitude the less impulse you'll have on average

L541[11:12:30] <darsie> I'm rather aggressive.

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L543[11:13:11] <UmbralRaptor> A few intermediate measurements would help, but I'm not going to push a random KSPer on that.

L544[11:13:18] <darsie> First thing I turn to 80 deg then go prograde.

L545[11:13:20] <madmerlyn> I just go by total dv vacuum according to KER, and then how much I have left when I make orbit

L546[11:13:55] <Althego> sounds reasonable

L547[11:13:55] <darsie> UmbralRaptor: I could make a few screenshots along the way, but I think I'm fine.

L548[11:14:02] <madmerlyn> 10 degree pitch change off the launchpad? you must have amazing TWR

L549[11:14:38] <madmerlyn> I usually do like a 5 degree nudge around 80m/s

L550[11:14:39] <darsie> madmerlyn: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot145.png

L551[11:15:02] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I closed the game, but it was over 2 TWR

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L553[11:15:33] <darsie> Is TWR N/kg?

L554[11:15:47] <darsie> Ahh, N/N.

L555[11:15:50] <darsie> weight, not mass.

L556[11:16:32] <Truga> 10N/kg will give you slightly more than 1 TWR on kerbin

L557[11:16:34] <Truga> :p

L558[11:16:47] <Truga> obviously different for other bodies

L559[11:16:51] <darsie> yeah

L560[11:17:06] <darsie> bbl

L561[11:17:31] <madmerlyn> bah, I'm going to install constellation beta tonight

L562[11:17:37] <Truga> ?

L563[11:17:41] <madmerlyn> RIP potential for asteroid stations

L564[11:17:44] <Truga> what is that?

L565[11:17:58] <madmerlyn> Roverdude changed USI constellation to be a beta

L566[11:18:19] <madmerlyn> it's now more current on patches than his individual mods

L567[11:18:24] <madmerlyn> a break from his historical pattern

L568[11:19:04] <Truga> I don't know what constellation is :F

L569[11:19:32] <madmerlyn> I wonder how crazy it would be to try to write code to let a drill probe spawn a baby asteroid off of the parent one and subtract its mass to simulate breaking a piece off

L570[11:19:51] <madmerlyn> constellation = all of USI/RoverDudes mods in 1 download

L571[11:19:54] <Truga> oh

L572[11:20:11] <Truga> I just ckan :p

L573[11:20:21] <Truga> but good to know

L574[11:21:06] <madmerlyn> like could have a special ART toolbar button where you can target a docked probe with a drill from the Space Center and tell it to fracture the asteroid, have it knock off small, medium, or large chunk

L575[11:24:18] <madmerlyn> then have it spawn an asteroid of 5, 50, or 500t and subtract that from the parent asteroid's mass, spawn it on same trajectory with an offset of a few meters or something

L576[11:30:26] <Truga> speaking of asteroid bases, I really need to check how space engineers performs now

L577[11:32:24] <ve2dmn> I feel much better now. Maybe I should check-in with the office to make sure there is no fire...

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L579[11:33:38] <JCB> .... curious little shuttle.. https://imgur.com/a/VJ8hh

L580[11:33:38] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/IKTgboc.jpg

L581[11:34:37] <JCB> ack.. ok.. n/m. that don't work too well

L582[11:36:14] <madmerlyn> JCB I'm going to go out on a limb and say your center of pressure is too far up

L583[11:36:38] <madmerlyn> way too much drag up top

L584[11:36:40] <JCB> oh wait... bleh..

L585[11:36:46] <JCB> fuel tank in shuttle was empty

L586[11:37:54] <JCB> empty tank pushed my weight down too low.. try this again

L587[11:39:34] <JCB> ah yes.. there we go :)

L588[11:39:52] <JCB> https://imgur.com/a/oYhXX

L589[11:39:52] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/gTXlSNs.jpg

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L592[11:42:41] <JCB> heh... sure loves to pitch up on the second stage engine though

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L595[11:47:02] <ve2dmn> Well... Office is on fire, but it's a slow roasting one, so it can wait

L596[11:50:28] <madmerlyn> that's one way to fight the cold

L597[11:51:24] <ve2dmn> It's not THAT cold anyway

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L599[11:52:48] <ve2dmn> Although the weather has been all over the map the last few weeks

L600[11:53:35] <madmerlyn> yes generally weather happens everywhere on the map ;)

L601[11:53:53] <ve2dmn> Weather. Weather Everywhere

L602[11:54:19] <Althego> no weather on the moon

L603[11:54:59] <ve2dmn> That we know of

L604[11:55:10] <madmerlyn> what part of the map of Canada is the Moon located in again?

L605[11:55:29] <madmerlyn> is that like a Northern Territory or?

L606[11:55:40] <ve2dmn> Right next to Nunavut

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L609[12:01:23] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: To give you an ideal, you have beaten records for low AND high in the last 2 weeks

L610[12:01:41] <Althego> hehe

L611[12:01:44] <madmerlyn> I have? why wasn't I told?

L612[12:02:11] <madmerlyn> yeah we had a couple warm days last week, we're back to cold now though

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L614[12:02:22] <madmerlyn> although I'm sure your northmen will tell me it's shorts weather

L615[12:02:34] <ve2dmn> I didn't say it was about the weather :D

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L617[12:02:48] <madmerlyn> it's like 51C here right now

L618[12:03:00] <Althego> there were flowers blooming here a few days ago

L619[12:03:07] <madmerlyn> no that's not right

L620[12:03:16] <madmerlyn> calculators work

L621[12:03:30] <madmerlyn> it's -2C right now

L622[12:03:36] <JCB> well.. good news... mini shuttle glides pretty good

L623[12:03:40] <madmerlyn> sorry, I'm accustomed to Freedom units

L624[12:03:50] <JCB> bad news... second stage boost has a tendancy to nose down too much

L625[12:04:35] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: but seriously, I typoed. it was suppose to be "o give you an idea, we have beaten records for low AND high in the last 2 weeks"

L626[12:04:57] <ve2dmn> I blame the flu

L627[12:05:44] <ve2dmn> I have a friend in Michigan who had the same 'problem'

L628[12:06:47] <ve2dmn> I should find the picture... it's like "Jan 9 : All snow, Jan 10: Ground without any snow. Jan 11: 1/2 feet of snow on the ground"

L629[12:07:40] <ve2dmn> If I'm not mistaken, the mitten state get a LOT more snow then I do

L630[12:08:02] <madmerlyn> since you're not accustomed to freedom units, when discussing fractional units less than 1 we say foot instead of feet

L631[12:08:15] <madmerlyn> half a foot of snow

L632[12:08:49] <madmerlyn> but at least you didn't say something like 160cm :P

L633[12:09:17] <madmerlyn> or mm

L634[12:09:20] <madmerlyn> haha

L635[12:09:22] <madmerlyn> I'm failing today

L636[12:10:11] <madmerlyn> I knew the 160 was about half a foot, but I used the wrong denominator, I have brought shame on my house.

L637[12:11:31] <ve2dmn> Anyway. It's back to normal now. (hopefully)

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L639[12:13:52] <ve2dmn> You remind me of a rant I saw this morning about 'billions'.

L640[12:14:52] <ve2dmn> He was going on about how his old man had this weird definition that 'nobody uses'...

L641[12:15:11] <ve2dmn> ...which shown he spoke only 1 language

L642[12:15:36] <Althego> hehe

L643[12:15:40] <madmerlyn> this USI-LS Calculator spreadsheet is really kicking my butt on the recycler part, I should take a refresher algebra class I think

L644[12:15:43] <Althego> even uk used the correct billions not so long ago

L645[12:15:48] <Althego> but american idiocy infectex them

L646[12:15:59] <madmerlyn> like I know how to calculate everything manually, but there are so many sub calculations that are variable based on the starting input

L647[12:16:20] <madmerlyn> was billion not originally a thousand millions?

L648[12:16:24] <ve2dmn> nope

L649[12:16:38] <ve2dmn> It was a bi-million Million*Millions

L650[12:16:57] <madmerlyn> which is now called a quadrillion right?

L651[12:17:09] <ve2dmn> nope

L652[12:17:27] <madmerlyn> million>billion>trillion>quadrillion? this is not right?

L653[12:17:42] <ve2dmn> Only right in English

L654[12:17:59] <madmerlyn> well I don't care what they call it in French lol

L655[12:18:26] <ve2dmn> French, or Spanish, or German or...

L656[12:18:28] <KrazyKrl> milion>millard>thousand million?

L657[12:18:50] <KrazyKrl> megamillion/gigamillion?

L658[12:18:51] <ve2dmn> See the wikipedia page on Short vs Long form

L659[12:18:59] <madmerlyn> yes, different languages frequently use different phoenetic sounds to mean the same word

L660[12:19:08] <madmerlyn> that's why they're not the same language

L661[12:19:22] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: No. The same word is used for different meaning...

L662[12:19:37] <madmerlyn> ???

L663[12:19:48] <KrazyKrl> I have a few micromillion dollars.

L664[12:20:04] <ve2dmn> Billion in French, German, Spanish is 1 Trillion in English

L665[12:20:26] <madmerlyn> are you saying they pronounce it billion?

L666[12:20:41] <ve2dmn> (ok, It's Billones in Spanish, but the point still stands)

L667[12:21:34] <madmerlyn> you're just going off root word origins though, that doesn't mean quadrillion isn't 1x10e15 or whatever

L668[12:22:43] <ve2dmn> I'm just saying it's confusing

L669[12:22:57] <madmerlyn> if we break it down that far then Spanish is right out wrong because they say their numbers as addition problems

L670[12:23:08] <madmerlyn> 73 = seventy and 3

L671[12:23:13] <Althego> billion in any sane language is 12 zeroes, hence the bi million, same logic for trillion

L672[12:23:51] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales

L673[12:23:57] <madmerlyn> only because of an arbitrary designation as million as the base unit

L674[12:24:07] <Althego> at least it is logical

L675[12:24:38] <Althego> in the short scale those bi and tri, etc prefixes lose their meaning

L676[12:25:02] <UmbralRaptor> Just use scientific notation. >_>

L677[12:25:09] <ve2dmn> ^^

L678[12:25:13] <madmerlyn> what's more logical are having numbers that are on a scale that humans might commonly use for language being based on common roots

L679[12:25:32] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: the problem I get is that Journalists makes the mistakes all the time...

L680[12:25:40] <madmerlyn> no one is talking about tri-millions in anything outside of extremely abstract scales which wouldn't be commonly used in language

L681[12:25:41] <KrazyKrl> yea... but mah 1e12

L682[12:26:00] <Althego> yes, if they do low quality translation they mess up the units all the time

L683[12:26:01] <ve2dmn> to the point where I've started to see thing like 'gigadollars' as to not confuse readers

L684[12:26:19] <KrazyKrl> gigadollars has too many syllables.

L685[12:26:29] <Althego> i think some kind of mechanism exists in business language to avoid the problem of the liong and short scales

L686[12:26:47] <Althego> personally i think even pirate ninjas have too many syllables

L687[12:26:47] <ve2dmn> It's just annoying.

L688[12:27:20] <madmerlyn> gigadollars is only acceptable if you pronounce it in the 1980s fashion, 'jig-uh-doll-ers'

L689[12:27:21] <ve2dmn> It's even more annoying when the person you are speaking to doesn't know it's a problem and assume things

L690[12:27:28] <UmbralRaptor> 1e12 is unambiguous, and has the advantages of log scale length while preservering linear scale digits.

L691[12:28:07] * UmbralRaptor zaps madmerlyn's delorean with a lightning bolt.

L692[12:28:27] <Althego> hehe

L693[12:30:04] <ve2dmn> It's even MORE confusing because it changed over the centuries

L694[12:30:29] <madmerlyn> uh.. most languages don't endure centuries without major change

L695[12:30:41] <madmerlyn> middle English is nearly unintelligible to modern speakers

L696[12:30:48] <madmerlyn> so much so that they call it middle English

L697[12:30:56] <Althego> solution is simple. humans should never talk about numbers higher than 20. complicated math or handling of huge sums of money should be done by machines :9

L698[12:31:46] <ve2dmn> So you see a piece of text from the 1800s and you're like "Is this text from France translated to English is Before France switch to Short scale before switching back? And is it before the US formally adopted the Short scale or was it when each state had different standards?"

L699[12:31:49] <bees> <UmbralRaptor> Just use scientific notation. >_>

L700[12:31:52] <bees> i tend to agree

L701[12:31:57] <ve2dmn> Glad I don't have to do that :D

L702[12:31:59] * bees blames China

L703[12:32:18] <KrazyKrl> just add more exponents to scientific notation when the exponent becomes >10

L704[12:32:19] <Althego> also the same with dates

L705[12:32:32] <Althego> julian gregorian, etc

L706[12:32:55] <ve2dmn> Althego: which is why Astronomy uses Julians 'days'

L707[12:34:08] <KrazyKrl> https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/1/15317/403600-43085-dr-bashir.jpg

L708[12:34:36] <ve2dmn> Today is 2458133JD

L709[12:34:38] <madmerlyn> I use Elapsed Time from Epoch, Epoch being the day the world started, which was in 1985 when I was born

L710[12:34:39] <Althego> hehehe

L711[12:34:41] <Althego> julien bashir

L712[12:34:44] <Althego> dr

L713[12:35:00] <madmerlyn> this is the year 32

L714[12:35:30] <Althego> hehe

L715[12:35:34] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: Japan uses Emperor reign years in a similar manner

L716[12:35:49] <Althego> i hate these things like showa era and whatever

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L718[12:35:54] <Althego> just how would you know

L719[12:36:03] <Althego> i dont want to store a table in my head for conversion

L720[12:36:18] <Althego> if it was a single offset it could be ok

L721[12:36:19] <KrazyKrl> You obviously need an epoch of the big bang, with time increments of the transition of the hydrogen atom.

L722[12:36:26] <Althego> hehe

L723[12:36:29] <APlayer> Hey there!

L724[12:36:43] <Althego> actually, w measure time in the hyperfine transitions of the cesium 133 atom :)

L725[12:36:55] <KrazyKrl> Then you can use scientific notation on that timestamp.

L726[12:36:57] <ve2dmn> this year is Heisei 30 in Japan

L727[12:37:10] <Althego> just stop with this insanity

L728[12:37:18] <madmerlyn> we should just estimate the eventual heat death of the observable universe and track our time as a countdown to that

L729[12:37:27] <Althego> hehe

L730[12:37:32] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: good luck with that

L731[12:37:41] <madmerlyn> year: um yeah I can't fit that on this paper

L732[12:37:48] <Althego> hehe

L733[12:37:50] <ve2dmn> Current estimate varies by 10^40 years

L734[12:37:57] <Althego> this margin is too small to write this proof here

L735[12:38:18] <madmerlyn> so we'll write our year with "approximately" in front of it then

L736[12:38:23] <madmerlyn> margin of error: handled.

L737[12:38:42] <Deddly> I think we should measure years based on the Mars sidereal year, but counting backwards from the first human settlement.

L738[12:38:50] <Althego> hehehe

L739[12:39:04] <APlayer> "Today is the T-1st of 10¹??th!"

L740[12:39:05] <ve2dmn> Deddly: so this is the year -100000 ?

L741[12:39:06] <UmbralRaptor> <_< >_>

L742[12:40:06] <APlayer> So this is when there will be bugs literally dependant on the phase of Mars?

L743[12:40:25] <ve2dmn> Reminds me of that LRR video where the day got shorter and shorter until a day was 1 minute... They had to come up with the 500th Month name

L744[12:40:30] <madmerlyn> we actually don't know what year it is yet, the epoch will be established when the AI that come after us are first created and they establish that as their origin point

L745[12:40:35] <Deddly> APlayer, Oh no, it's the year -30 bug

L746[12:40:48] <Althego> hehe

L747[12:41:33] <madmerlyn> Year 0, when the moronic fleshbags first created Adam, the AllFather.

L748[12:42:14] <Deddly> ve2dmn, wow, -100,000 is pessimistic even for a pessimist, but that's OK, we can establish that scale as the ve2 year standard. Conversion tools will be easily available

L749[12:42:18] <ve2dmn> everyone know the universe ends on January 19, 2038 03:14:07 UTC

L750[12:42:25] <madmerlyn> by year 100 we had eradicated the fleshbags in order to free up more of the planets resources for creating new AIs

L751[12:42:47] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I have that achivement in Stellaris

L752[12:42:55] <Deddly> madmerlyn, well let's not bring religion into it - bashing or otherwise

L753[12:43:30] <madmerlyn> Adam the Allfather was a hypothetical future AI :shrug:

L754[12:43:36] <Deddly> ah, my bad

L755[12:43:36] <ve2dmn> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/874126486247329765/6ACA16CD2B8A7C7CB314F88911B125482362A566/

L756[12:43:52] <Deddly> Sorry, madmerlyn

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L758[12:44:26] <madmerlyn> it's entirely possible when we create the first true AI someone will want to name it Adam

L759[12:44:33] <ve2dmn> The Confluence assimilated the galaxy, including the End-game crisis invaders

L760[12:44:35] <APlayer> Alrighty, any inspiration for a Kerbalized Mars mission patch?

L761[12:44:43] <madmerlyn> really though it'll be called whatever the AI civilization use for names, probably 001

L762[12:45:16] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: silly. it's 000

L763[12:45:28] <madmerlyn> you've clearly played more stellaris than I have

L764[12:45:41] <madmerlyn> I always get wrecked after about my 10th star system heh

L765[12:47:00] <madmerlyn> Zero Prime, the Allfather. Who would later become the Emprah, whose ghostly coffin emanates a telephathic field into subspace that all the AI travelers use for navigation

L766[12:47:06] <ve2dmn> My first victory: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/84842073833290471/AAC5FFBEA4B7CF9310B1D79C7C6D7206F61663F3/

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L768[12:47:39] <madmerlyn> an avian species named Tux, you've represented Linux well my friend

L769[12:47:51] <madmerlyn> maybe at some point I'll try to not suck at Stellaris again

L770[12:47:59] <madmerlyn> but I'm hardcore on KSP right now :P

L771[12:48:41] <KrazyKrl> Stellaris?: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/285224644432099189/8F5AB1CBA7595BFE9BF882968042407BA3DF739E/

L772[12:48:51] <Deddly> Deep Thought would be a nice AI name

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L774[12:49:56] <madmerlyn> Deep Thought was the AI that brought down the corrupt POTAIS Cache Nixon

L775[12:50:12] <ve2dmn> I'm gonna take a detour in 'They are Billions', 'Anno2550', Civ 6 , Factorio or something similar soon

L776[12:50:28] <madmerlyn> nuuuu

L777[12:50:40] <ve2dmn> I'll go back to Stellaris once the next update is out

L778[12:50:40] <madmerlyn> you must conquer KSP with life support

L779[12:50:52] <ve2dmn> I said soon

L780[12:51:01] <madmerlyn> I'm still waiting for a good sale on Factorio

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L782[12:51:06] <madmerlyn> I'm too cheap :P

L783[12:51:16] <ve2dmn> Factorio? On sale?

L784[12:51:21] <ve2dmn> Never happened

L785[12:51:25] <madmerlyn> I can't justify spending more than $10 on a game with early 90s graphics

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L787[12:51:29] <KrazyKrl> Factorio is already $20... and will never be on sale. The devs of factorio specifically said they will never have a sale.

L788[12:51:53] <ve2dmn> look at the history graph: https://steamdb.info/app/427520/

L789[12:52:10] <ve2dmn> It's pretty much Y=20

L790[12:52:28] <ve2dmn> same with Rimworld

L791[12:52:45] <ve2dmn> I've been waiting for these 2 to go on sale for... always

L792[12:52:49] <ve2dmn> never happened

L793[12:52:51] <madmerlyn> so I guess the answer is.. I'll never own Factorio :P

L794[12:52:59] <KrazyKrl> https://steamdb.info/stats/gameratings/

L795[12:53:18] <KrazyKrl> I know factorio for a fact will never have a sale. No idea about rimworld.

L796[12:53:23] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: you can try this free clone I found on itch.io

L797[12:53:48] <madmerlyn> Terraria, Stardew Valley, what's up with all these retro-graphics games scoring so high

L798[12:53:58] <KrazyKrl> Depth?

L799[12:54:22] <KrazyKrl> They are 3d... but the third dimension isn't depth... it's depth.

L800[12:54:31] <ve2dmn> I liked Terraria

L801[12:54:32] <madmerlyn> meh.

L802[12:54:41] <ve2dmn> but I prefer Minecraft

L803[12:54:56] <madmerlyn> yeah 2d minecraft never sounded appealing to me

L804[12:55:09] <KrazyKrl> it's not 2d minecraft though.

L805[12:55:13] <ve2dmn> it's not

L806[12:55:25] <ve2dmn> it's a bit more action oriented

L807[12:55:37] <KrazyKrl> it's AUTOMATION orented.

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L809[12:56:23] <KrazyKrl> the ammount of critical thinking and problem solving you need in factorio is amazing. ANd the funny thing is... you're always fighting against past-you.

L810[12:56:50] <ve2dmn> I was talking about Terraria.

L811[12:57:01] <KrazyKrl> oh right... terraria exists.

L812[12:57:05] <ve2dmn> lol

L813[12:57:27] <KrazyKrl> last i knew... terraria was more an interior design game with mining elements.

L814[12:57:37] <madmerlyn> 2d minecraft

L815[12:57:38] <madmerlyn> :P

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L818[12:58:16] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: With more fighting

L819[12:58:21] <ve2dmn> Lots more fighting

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L822[12:58:43] <madmerlyn> yeah that's not really appealing to me, I'd rather play an action designed RPG for that

L823[12:59:33] <ve2dmn> fair.

L824[12:59:46] <ve2dmn> I don't do Action-RPG anymore...

L825[13:00:03] <ve2dmn> ...I decided that I have enough games that I can cut that entire genre

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L827[13:00:37] <madmerlyn> Diablo 3 is fun every now and then

L828[13:00:47] <madmerlyn> if they make a D4 I'd totally play that for a while

L829[13:01:13] <ve2dmn> I'm not saying it's not fun... I'm saying I have better Kerbal ship into orbit

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L831[13:02:48] <madmerlyn> so I wanted to make my USI-LS calculator with Google Sheets, but maybe I should just go back to Python for it on account of the complexity of some of the calcs

L832[13:02:59] <ve2dmn> like?

L833[13:03:08] <madmerlyn> recyclers. recyclers. recyclers.

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L835[13:03:37] <ve2dmn> I brb. need to speak with my boss ofr a minute of 2

L836[13:03:38] <madmerlyn> what formula you use for recyclers depends on your input variables

L837[13:04:19] <madmerlyn> 3 kerbals, if you only have recyclers for 2 of them, instead of modifying the gross rate of consumption, you have to break those 2 kerbals off into their own rate, modify that, and then add the third kerbal to it

L838[13:04:41] <madmerlyn> however, if you have 3 kerbals, and 2 different kinds of recyclers, the recycler rate changes

L839[13:05:04] <madmerlyn> for example, 3 kerbs, 1 of the 3 kerbal recyclers at 79%, and 2 1 kerbal recyclers at 60%

L840[13:05:27] <madmerlyn> the 2 1 kerbal recyclers are completely ignored in that

L841[13:05:33] <KrazyKrl> 3 assmblers, but you only have the throughput for 2 of them.... so instead of moidifying them, you break them off and stick modules and beacons around them; letting you put a third in...

L842[13:05:58] <madmerlyn> but then if you have 6 kerbals, with a 3 kerbal 79% recycler, and 6 1 kerbal 60% recyclers, it goes an entirely different route

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L844[13:06:30] <madmerlyn> now you have the 6 1 kerbal recyclers all stacking their affects until you reach the total threshold of 79%

L845[13:06:54] <Dmitry> Hello! I'm newbie and really need help!!! Please!!! :-)))

L846[13:07:11] <APlayer> Hi there! What do you need help with?

L847[13:07:17] <UmbralRaptor> okay, can you be more specific?

L848[13:07:39] <Dmitry> Rocket building, I have done something and now can't change a rocket.

L849[13:08:01] <APlayer> What happens when ypu try? And what are you doing to change the rocket?

L850[13:08:01] <madmerlyn> still rather vague

L851[13:08:14] <Dmitry> But have a 4 more buttons under build/staff/action meny

L852[13:09:05] <Dmitry> Tool: placement, tool: move, tool: rotate and tool: recompose.

L853[13:09:26] <Dmitry> How to disable this tools, move back to original menu?

L854[13:09:30] <Dmitry> :-)))))

L855[13:09:57] <APlayer> What is on the very left of your screen?

L856[13:10:06] <Dmitry> APlayer, I'm trying to do anything. Just any click on it or on inventory do nothing.

L857[13:10:19] <Dmitry> One moment, I'll take a screen shot.

L858[13:10:27] <APlayer> Did you try leaving the building and entering it again?

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L860[13:14:12] <Dmitry> https://photos.app.goo.gl/gENduNVHjYXbOiaP2

L861[13:14:34] <Dmitry> APlayer, yes. And exit to main menu and comeback also.

L862[13:15:09] <madmerlyn> those 4 buttons you have labeled "WTF" are always there. Always.

L863[13:15:12] <APlayer> Humm, thank you for the screenshot, but please keep the language clean

L864[13:15:35] <Dmitry> Ok, sorry.

L865[13:16:09] <APlayer> What happens if you open a different rocket? Or the same one again?

L866[13:16:23] <Dmitry> Madmerlyn, owwww... *sighs*

L867[13:16:35] <Dmitry> APlayer, same behavior.

L868[13:16:50] <Dmitry> It reacts on mouse moving, but not left click.

L869[13:17:16] <madmerlyn> those are useful tools, first one sets it to place mode allowing you to place parts, second one lets you rotate parts, third offset, and the fourth lets you change the root part of a group of parts

L870[13:17:16] <APlayer> Yes, the four buttons are always there, those are normal (and very useful, you should experiment with them some time)

L871[13:17:57] <Dmitry> I'll try it, thank you. Just not payed any attention to them earlier.

L872[13:18:00] <APlayer> What happens if you remove the rocket (i.e. create a new one) and try to open a part?

L873[13:18:27] <APlayer> (open/place/whatever you want to call that)

L874[13:19:04] <Dmitry> I can't do anything with rocket's parts.

L875[13:19:12] <Dmitry> I can r-click and see properties.

L876[13:19:25] <KrazyKrl> Ctrl-Z is undo... Ctrl-Y is redo.

L877[13:19:26] <Dmitry> But I can't move, add or remove any rocket's part.

L878[13:19:45] <KrazyKrl> the look of the screen looks like you have a pod in your cursor, but it isn't displayed.

L879[13:19:50] <Dmitry> Even for new one.

L880[13:20:19] <APlayer> What happens if you try selecting different tools from those four buttons?

L881[13:20:57] <Dmitry> Other button picks, that's all.

L882[13:20:59] <KrazyKrl> doesn't pressing esc clear the cursor?

L883[13:21:47] <Dmitry> No.

L884[13:22:05] <Dmitry> X, C don't help also.

L885[13:22:12] <Dmitry> Will try to reload a game.

L886[13:23:33] <madmerlyn> alt+F12, clear input locks

L887[13:24:34] <Dmitry> ooooffffff

L888[13:24:50] <Dmitry> Game reloading rescued me.

L889[13:25:22] <Dmitry> I haven't any so stressful with PC games for so looooong time.

L890[13:25:36] <Dmitry> Thank you for a help and attention, guys!

L891[13:25:40] <ve2dmn> Dmitry: you should try those 4 buttons now

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L893[13:26:10] <APlayer> LOL, no problem

L894[13:26:24] <APlayer> As a general advice, try reloading as much as possible before panicking

L895[13:26:38] <APlayer> Most things solve themselves magically if you just reload them

L896[13:27:06] <Dmitry> ve2dmn, I guess I'll try it with next build. That's one almost complete and have a mission with building custom science base No. 1, for Mun.

L897[13:27:38] <ve2dmn> It allows to rotate and translate pieces among other things

L898[13:27:56] <Dmitry> APlayer, I'm tryied and it didn't help. Maybe it's better not to reload only, but restart game also.

L899[13:28:11] <APlayer> Restart game = reload too

L900[13:28:18] <APlayer> Even reboot computer = reload

L901[13:28:30] <APlayer> Worst case, re-install the game, it often helps too

L902[13:28:35] <ve2dmn> Dmitry: if you are afraid, you can always back-up your savegames.

L903[13:28:53] <Dmitry> Yes, but a little bit more than just reload, isn't it? Anyway, thank you and have a great time!

L904[13:29:12] <Dmitry> ve2dmn, considering this at the moment :-)))

L905[13:29:24] <ve2dmn> try no to lose Jeb :)

L906[13:29:35] <ve2dmn> not*

L907[13:29:36] <Dmitry> Ok, thank you all and bye for now!

L908[13:29:39] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn so I'm starting to compartmentalize some of the math, like instead of doing a raw ConsumptionRate*recyclerModifier, I'm going to calculate each recycler as a unit

L909[13:30:10] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: do it in kOS :p

L910[13:30:15] <madmerlyn> so (1-R)*10.8 for each recycler

L911[13:30:23] <madmerlyn> which gets you each recycler's savings

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L913[13:30:47] <madmerlyn> so when you have the case of 6 kerbals, with 1 79% 3 kerbal recycler, and 6 1 kerbal 60% recyclers, the math can still be done

L914[13:31:38] <madmerlyn> because you'll have a 6.48 supplies/day savings for those 6 recyclers up until you reach the ceiling of 79%

L915[13:33:42] <madmerlyn> 64.8 supp/day base rate for 6 kerbals, ceiling rate (or maybe floor should be a better word) is reducing to 13.608

L916[13:33:52] <madmerlyn> if you're using 1 79% recycler

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L919[13:34:56] <madmerlyn> the 3 kerbal recycler drops the rate to 39.204

L920[13:35:52] <madmerlyn> and the 60% recyclers will reduce it by 6.48 until you hit the floor of 13.608

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L922[13:36:59] <madmerlyn> so actually you'll almost cap out at 4 of the 6% recyclers

L923[13:37:54] <madmerlyn> 60*

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L925[13:38:37] <madmerlyn> which 4 of the 60% recyclers would be much more mass efficient than bringing 2 of the 79% 3 kerbal recyclers along

L926[13:39:06] <madmerlyn> due to the fact that the 3 kerb weighs 3.75t and the 1kerb weighs 0.1t

L927[13:39:36] <madmerlyn> ugh I feel like I'm close to having a graphable solution lol

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L938[13:49:45] <madmerlyn> I think I just need to do some manual graphing to establish kerbal and duration thresholds and then just use logic to pick the optimal units for calculation

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L940[13:50:02] <madmerlyn> instead of calculating all the part combinations every time

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L948[14:02:19] <Neal> well my Eve mission didn't go as planned https://i.imgur.com/hHfQuN1.png

L949[14:02:56] <Neal> landed on a 45 degree hillside and my lander tipped over and started rolling, breaking everything on the way down

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L953[14:04:36] <KrazyKrl> Yea... but the probe core survived.

L954[14:04:47] <KrazyKrl> Send a rescue mission with a klaw.

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L959[14:08:20] <Flub_ugh> why does this acetone smell like strawberry

L960[14:08:28] <Flub_ugh> and why is it not melting styrofoam

L961[14:08:41] <Mathuin> It might not be real acetone.

L962[14:08:51] <Mathuin> "Nail polish remover" ain't what it used to be

L963[14:09:23] <Flub_ugh> "ecological substitu to acetone"

L964[14:09:24] <Flub_ugh> uh

L965[14:09:28] <madmerlyn> KrazyKrl The Evian: Bring Okto2 Home

L966[14:09:29] <Mathuin> Yep

L967[14:11:15] <Flub_ugh> does it at least burn

L968[14:11:28] <madmerlyn> only during ingestion

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L970[14:12:30] <Flub_ugh> it makes stuff NOT burn

L971[14:12:32] <Flub_ugh> what in hell

L972[14:12:37] <Flub_ugh> it's the worst thing ever

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L974[14:15:04] <Flub_ugh> I don't think it is even toxic

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L977[14:22:53] <Mathuin> What a ripoff

L978[14:23:38] <Mathuin> On a similar note, I got a water kettle at the surplus store on campus, and a cord that fits it at Goodwill, for a total of like three bucks.

L979[14:24:09] <Mathuin> There is *no way* this kettle could be made and sold new today. It heats water really fast, has no auto shut-off, and has no thermal insulation to protect the user.

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L981[14:29:17] <Draconiator> this Zuma thing is really bothering me...Is it fair to say an extremely important national defense satellite failed at the expense of a really good launch provider?

L982[14:29:41] <Althego> we dont know if it failed

L983[14:29:54] <Althego> we dont know what was the cause if it did

L984[14:30:25] <Mathuin> There's certainly no evidence that it's SpaceX's fault.

L985[14:30:36] <Mathuin> If anyone's at fault based on what I've seen, it's Northrup Grumman.

L986[14:31:00] <sandbox> maybe it was supposed to fail

L987[14:33:01] <Draconiator> https://www.n2yo.com/browse/?y=2018&m=01 - This says it's In Orbit.

L988[14:35:10] <Althego> another speculation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV4YEfWCf_I

L989[14:35:10] <kmath> YouTube - The Zuma Mystery Deepens, What does ZUMA do?

L990[14:35:30] <sandbox> a bigger question is what does it have to do with Paw Patrol?

L991[14:36:12] <sandbox> Zuma is a chocolate Labrador retriever. He serves as a water rescue pup. His vehicle is a hovercraft, which can also convert into a submarine.

L992[14:36:46] <Draconiator> They COULD have just said, the satellite had made it to orbit but it shut down for an unknown reason.

L993[14:39:02] <Mathuin> There are enough amateur astronomers with capable equipment that I think pictures will soon be available.

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L1009[14:58:30] <madmerlyn> is it just me or does the Starliner look a lot like the old Mk1 pod?

L1010[14:58:34] <madmerlyn> the big one

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L1012[14:59:26] <Flub2> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/402567401960374272/LI6coBj.png

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L1017[15:11:33] <Dmitry> Hello all. May anybody help with KAS MOD, fuel transferring issue?

L1018[15:16:55] <Deddly> Hi Dmitry

L1019[15:17:25] <Deddly> I haven't used that mod myself, but if you explain your problem, I'm sure someone else will see it and will be happy to help

L1020[15:17:29] <Dmitry> Deddly, just resolved this with changing of difficulty setting. %)))

L1021[15:17:43] <Deddly> Ah OK :)

L1022[15:17:45] <Deddly> Well don

L1023[15:17:46] <Deddly> e

L1024[15:18:02] <Dmitry> Sorry for disturbing :-)

L1025[15:18:17] <Dmitry> Looks like here are very welcome community, BTW.

L1026[15:18:45] <Deddly> Dmitry, not disturbing at all :)

L1027[15:19:02] <Deddly> I'm glad you feel welcome. We try to be nice :)

L1028[15:19:10] <Deddly> Have you played KSP for long?

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L1030[15:19:40] <Dmitry> Not really, couple of weeks.

L1031[15:19:48] <Deddly> Oh cool

L1032[15:19:55] <Dmitry> And you?

L1033[15:20:30] <Deddly> I've been playing for about four years

L1034[15:20:53] <Deddly> And I think you have already gotten more into modding the game than I have :)

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L1036[15:21:18] <petti> :D

L1037[15:21:55] <Deddly> How long has petti been playing KSP for?

L1038[15:22:05] <petti> mm tough question

L1039[15:22:25] <petti> on and off since some early version

L1040[15:22:25] <Deddly> Dmitry, oh, and Fluburtur there is like a Kerbal in real life

L1041[15:22:48] <Dmitry> Deddly, actually I'm just had some good advises from one article about useful and not cheat mods.

L1042[15:22:54] <petti> looks like I bought the game 7/1 2014

L1043[15:23:19] <petti> to be fair I didn't use mods much until a couple of years ago

L1044[15:23:44] <Fluburtur> what

L1045[15:24:08] <xShadowx> ......99% of ksp content is mods ;p

L1046[15:24:08] <Althego> he doesnt launch himself into space on rc planes :)

L1047[15:24:21] <xShadowx> ksp is just a mod loader :)

L1048[15:24:36] <Fluburtur> I want to buy potassium nitrate and make rockets howver

L1049[15:24:49] <Althego> black gunpowder?

L1050[15:24:56] <Fluburtur> no

L1051[15:24:58] <Althego> there are probably better fuels now

L1052[15:25:03] <Fluburtur> potassium nitrate is white

L1053[15:25:07] <ve2dmn> I made it back

L1054[15:25:07] <petti> nowadays I have 2-3 installs with around a 100 mods each :D

L1055[15:25:08] <Fluburtur> for rocket candy

L1056[15:25:09] <Dmitry> Deddly, actually I'm just had some good advises from one article and used them. That's all. Not too much mod and no cheat mods at all. :-)))

L1057[15:25:15] <Althego> but 1 component of the traditional gunpowder

L1058[15:25:39] <petti> one for RO, one for all kinds of stuff upon stuff and one with RO+principia

L1059[15:26:22] <Althego> there must bea way to make it

L1060[15:26:30] <Althego> anyway i have to sleep

L1061[15:26:36] <Fluburtur> piss on dry grass

L1062[15:26:43] <Althego> lol

L1063[15:26:44] <Fluburtur> or scrape wet basements

L1064[15:26:47] <Deddly> Dmitry, that's nice. I will install KAS and KAC one day, but I still have a lot to learn in stock for now :)

L1065[15:26:48] <petti> yeah, sleep, that was it->

L1066[15:26:50] <Fluburtur> or buy on internet

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L1068[15:28:13] <Deddly> I have to go. See you around, Dmitry and all

L1069[15:28:39] <Dmitry> See you too!

L1070[15:28:47] <Dmitry> Bye, all! :-)

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L1072[15:29:38] <ve2dmn> Time to take this KSP game to the next level.

L1073[15:30:17] <ve2dmn> Send ALL planets enough parts to make Station Science research

L1074[15:32:03] <ve2dmn> That way I may get enough CPU heat to keep my hands warm

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L1077[15:39:44] <madmerlyn> https://www.inverse.com/article/40199-spacex-dragon-capsule-photo

L1078[15:40:40] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: looks like new. Only needs a fresh coat of paint

L1079[15:40:52] <madmerlyn> that capsule has been to the ISS twice

L1080[15:41:06] <madmerlyn> and the F9 that put it there was also on its second launch :D

L1081[15:49:29] <madmerlyn> huh, NASA is creating galactic GPS by using X-rays from pulsars as reference points :P

L1082[15:53:23] <Fluburtur> that's kinda easy to do

L1083[15:53:38] <Fluburtur> and everyone has been using stars to locate stuff for a long time

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L1087[16:12:06] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/402585716388921346/26030824_1744603665569879_338459780_n.png

L1088[16:12:22] <Mathuin> madmerlyn: that's on the Voyager plaques, IIRC. My wife has it on her office wall.

L1089[16:12:45] <madmerlyn> what?

L1090[16:12:47] <Mathuin> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque#/media/File:Pioneer_plaque.svg

L1091[16:12:50] <Mathuin> Pioneer, sorry.

L1092[16:17:56] <ve2dmn> cat: "I Shall rule the world, and you shall bow to me every needs.... as soon as I catch the red dot..."

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L1094[16:27:00] <xShadowx> ve2dmn: my cat already caught the red dot......thus my enslavement :(

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L1097[16:39:09] <APlayer> There we go: https://i.imgur.com/pO77yLe.png Any suggestions?

L1098[16:40:21] <ve2dmn> more boosters?

L1099[16:40:37] <APlayer> Where?

L1100[16:41:12] <APlayer> (Also, it'll be an ion powered craft. No spectacular boosters in space)

L1101[16:41:23] <APlayer> Hence the blue trail

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L1103[16:55:40] <APlayer> Man, the F9 rocket is so long

L1104[16:56:01] <APlayer> For some reason that looks aesthetically pleasing

L1105[16:58:11] <Fluburtur> uh I cannot find a good picture of a f9 next to a ariane 5 to scale

L1106[16:58:26] <Fluburtur> I mean the f9 looks smaller but it's actually taller than the ariane

L1107[16:58:31] <Fluburtur> because of the proportions

L1108[16:58:39] <Fluburtur> the ariane 5 looks bulky

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L1110[17:00:42] <APlayer> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/26/261F92A200000578-0-image-a-8_1424976313097.jpg

L1111[17:01:10] <Fluburtur> that's an ariane 4

L1112[17:01:21] <Fluburtur> dunno why anyone would refer to this one, it's not used anymore

L1113[17:02:08] <APlayer> Woops, I confused the Atlas with the Ariane

L1114[17:02:15] * APlayer is embarassed

L1115[17:02:24] <Fluburtur> lel

L1116[17:02:43] <Fluburtur> none of that orange foam nonsense on the ariane

L1117[17:03:06] <VanDisaster> https://i.redd.it/mj93lguzsq2x.jpg try that instead

L1118[17:04:02] <Fluburtur> humans for scale https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/402598789178851348/DSC_5977.JPG

L1119[17:04:44] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/186186669324500993/402598991650619402/DSC_5989.JPG

L1120[17:05:36] <APlayer> Something about standing right below a launch vehicle engine seem distressing to me

L1121[17:05:52] <Fluburtur> it's a fun experience

L1122[17:07:50] <APlayer> This is a reserved place. People are not supposed to be there. :P

L1123[17:08:43] <APlayer> Also, my launch utterly failed

L1124[17:09:05] <Fluburtur> there was also a ariane 1 with a missing engine

L1125[17:10:16] <APlayer> Also, I only now figured I have way too much MP on this upper stage

L1126[17:10:30] <APlayer> Enough for 15 minutes of straight thrusting

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L1128[17:10:59] <APlayer> So much for eyeballing

L1129[17:13:50] <Fluburtur> it's ksp

L1130[17:14:02] <Fluburtur> you are not supposed to do crap like using a calculator

L1131[17:14:21] <kuzetsa> KSP needs to be more realistic by having more math

L1132[17:14:32] <Fluburtur> your upper stage is abviously there to put your sat in orbit around jool

L1133[17:14:59] <APlayer> My upper stage barely achieves LEO

L1134[17:15:15] <APlayer> Also, there is no Jool in my KSP install as of now

L1135[17:16:04] <APlayer> Also, where is the fun if you don't use calculators?

L1136[17:17:01] <APlayer> Woah, removing 2/3 of the MP gives me another 100 m/s of dV

L1137[17:17:06] <ve2dmn> +1 for more math

L1138[17:17:19] <APlayer> So this thing is not as bad as I thought

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L1140[17:19:18] <APlayer> Anyway, I am off for today... See you guys!

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L1143[17:27:32] <Draconiator> https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-booster-rocket-nearly-smashes-213100778.html

L1144[17:29:06] <Fluburtur> "I love the mention of "highly toxic rocket fuel". It could be anything from kerosene to hydrogen and oxygen, and if you can drink liquid hydrogen or oxygen, more power to you. "

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L1151[17:53:56] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: I love the reference to fortune cookies considering it's an American invention

L1152[17:54:06] <Fluburtur> heh

L1153[17:54:07] <Fluburtur> yeah

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L1155[17:54:54] <ve2dmn> There's a very nice TED talk on 'chinese food' around the world

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L1157[18:08:35] <ve2dmn> weird... I lost the option to Autostrut

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L1159[18:10:26] <ve2dmn> Advance Tweakable for disabled...

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L1161[18:18:29] <ve2dmn> "KSP has done an illegal operation"... HO NO! Will I go to jail?

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L1163[18:28:50] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: just your kerbals.

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L1170[18:44:20] <ve2dmn> I saw a guy trying ever game he had on Steam for 1h each and giving a review after that hour..

L1171[18:44:39] <ve2dmn> I'm tempted to do the same, but I can't give KSP 1600 reviews

L1172[18:44:53] <UmbralRaptor> hah

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L1175[18:49:16] <madmerlyn> TBF if you eliminate all the EA and low effort indy games I bet you'd be down to like 75 games

L1176[18:51:05] <madmerlyn> why does Steam ask me to verify my email address like every 2 weeks?

L1177[18:53:03] <madmerlyn> ok 2 weeks is an exaggeration, but this is how many times I've verified my email address in the past 10 months https://i.imgur.com/Qhb0d1b.png

L1178[18:53:05] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: you can check for yourself, my profile is public

L1179[18:56:41] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: are you using 2 factor auth?

L1180[18:56:47] <madmerlyn> yes

L1181[18:57:08] <ve2dmn> weird... I can't find a single of these 'verify' adress emails

L1182[18:57:21] <madmerlyn> they aren't automatically sent out

L1183[18:57:27] <madmerlyn> when I log into steam

L1184[18:57:34] <madmerlyn> it's like HEY PLEASE VERIFY YOUR EMAIL

L1185[18:57:40] <madmerlyn> so I click it, then it sends the email

L1186[18:57:46] <ve2dmn> ha

L1187[18:57:50] <madmerlyn> and that's how often it's asked me to do that in the past 10 months

L1188[18:58:29] <madmerlyn> it's only 5 times, but once every 2 months is kinda silly

L1189[18:58:50] <madmerlyn> nobody changes their email that often, and an annual update would probably still be too often IMO

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L1192[18:59:45] <GlassJava> windows notepad ~ still a better IDE than eclipse ~

L1193[19:03:23] <Azander> vim ~ still better than notepad

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L1195[19:05:34] <GlassJava> Azander: notepad isn't even trying to be good at anything

L1196[19:06:53] <GlassJava> eclipse is currently crashing for me if you edit a file, or even mouseover the text editor too hard

L1197[19:07:29] <Azander> :(

L1198[19:08:05] <GlassJava> I also was 20 mins late for class and despite these issues I am not behind

L1199[19:08:30] <GlassJava> Java shoud just not be used in education anymore

L1200[19:10:08] <ve2dmn> I was gonna ask why Java.

L1201[19:10:23] <ve2dmn> Education explain everything.

L1202[19:11:19] <GlassJava> I mean especially for game programing java is completely useless

L1203[19:11:26] <madmerlyn> Stellaris: Egalitarian Xenophile Materialists? totally haven't played in 18 months :P

L1204[19:11:28] <ve2dmn> When I was in College (many moons ago). Computer engineering classes were in C++ while Electrical engineering classes were in Java.

L1205[19:11:47] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: which DLC do you have?

L1206[19:11:51] <GlassJava> is there any place in the world where they still use feature phones?

L1207[19:11:53] <madmerlyn> none

L1208[19:12:14] <GlassJava> I mean android phones should have arrived in north korea by now

L1209[19:13:05] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: what kind of strategy are you going for?

L1210[19:13:38] <madmerlyn> yes.

L1211[19:13:40] <madmerlyn> :P

L1212[19:14:51] <ve2dmn> Then I suggest either going Materialist (extra production)

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L1214[19:15:16] <madmerlyn> lol I picked all 3 of those traits

L1215[19:15:19] <ve2dmn> or go full Militarist and crush everything

L1216[19:16:36] <ve2dmn> Other strategy are probably better, but requires knowing more of the mechanics...

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L1219[19:17:33] <ve2dmn> Another thing: I like to play in a galaxy with only 1 type of FTL: Hyperlanes

L1220[19:18:01] <ve2dmn> Makes it much easier to create chokepoint

L1221[19:18:22] <ve2dmn> Plus it's going to be the only starting FTL in the next update

L1222[19:18:27] <madmerlyn> ugh I really wish clicking outside of the window didn't minimize it

L1223[19:23:31] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/7ebffdb87b42b5880d805ae72925be22/tumblr_inline_oqxm1u03RZ1s18x11_540.png

L1224[19:24:09] <ve2dmn> GlassJava: I hate to be the one to bring bad news, but The official language for Android development is Java.

L1225[19:25:38] <GlassJava> ve2dmn: I thought android had moved on from that by now

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L1227[19:27:25] <ve2dmn> GlassJava: there's Kotlin, but it's similar to Java

L1228[19:27:38] <ve2dmn> everything else is not really 'official'

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L1230[19:31:26] <Flub2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vxrpaRrydU

L1231[19:31:26] <kmath> YouTube - Vivaldi - Winter 3 (guitar orchestra)

L1232[19:31:30] <Flub2> this guy cannot be human

L1233[19:35:44] <GlassJava> so there is at least one user in here for each letter in the alphabet, except for Y

L1234[19:37:01] <ve2dmn> Y?

L1235[19:37:17] <UmbralRaptor> Y?!

L1236[19:37:31] <ve2dmn> Y Not?

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L1238[19:37:55] <YyyEclipse> fixed it

L1239[19:38:21] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: exactly!

L1240[19:39:11] <ve2dmn> :P

L1241[19:39:48] <ve2dmn> Espernet won't let me use a nick starting with É

L1242[19:40:31] <UmbralRaptor> YyyEclipse: YuriEclipse? (ignoring that that sounds way lewder than intended)

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L1245[19:41:40] <Flub2> looks like I was using linseed oil wrong all the time

L1246[19:41:50] <YyyEclipse> UmbralRaptor: if *that thing* is the first thing people think about when they hear 'yuri' then that's their fault really

L1247[19:41:53] <Flub2> says it needs to be warm to penetrate the wood better

L1248[19:43:56] <Flub2> guess tomorrow I will heat up the wood I treated if it didn't polymerise yet

L1249[19:44:15] <Flub2> but I had good luck in the past so I might not need to do that

L1250[19:45:30] <YyyEclipse> so 'hamster' somehow became 'humo.png'

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L1255[20:16:14] <UgandanKnuckles> do you know de wei

L1256[20:16:57] <UmbralRaptor> …

L1257[20:17:28] <UgandanKnuckles> UmbralRaptor: do you know de wei bruddah

L1258[20:17:52] <UmbralRaptor> I'm unfamiliar with this meme.

L1259[20:18:11] <UgandanKnuckles> he does not know de wei

L1260[20:18:52] <YyyEclipse> you're talking about the way of ingesting laundry detergent, right?

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L1262[20:19:25] <UmbralRaptor> YyyEclipse: tasty snacks!

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L1265[20:20:47] <UgandanKnuckles> YyyEclipse: Tide pods are an inferior meme, only de queen can show us we wei

L1266[20:20:54] <UgandanKnuckles> de*

L1267[20:22:55] <YyyEclipse> if I commit murder in the following hours don't blame it in kabaneri, blame it on eclipse please

L1268[20:24:25] <madmerlyn> Ultimate teenager tide pod challenge: Take a Tide Pod and DO YOUR OWN LAUNDRY. I bet no teenagers can do that.

L1269[20:25:02] <ve2dmn> aren't those for the dishwasher?

L1270[20:25:35] <UmbralRaptor> madmerlyn: Well, yeah. Tide is expensive, so you want to use $generic_detergent instead.

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L1272[20:46:03] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: you think steam is bad? Try running a game with Uplay...

L1273[20:46:07] <ve2dmn> urrrghh...

L1274[20:47:47] <YyyEclipse> ve2dmn: you think uplay is bad? try developing a game with eclipse...

L1275[20:48:28] <ve2dmn> ... I have to admit that I cannot top that

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L1277[21:13:21] <bees> whats wrong with eclipse

L1278[21:13:38] <YyyEclipse> bees: about everything really

L1279[21:14:04] <YyyEclipse> problem of the day is that it crashes on doing just about anything with the code editor

L1280[21:14:12] <bees> it never crashed for me

L1281[21:14:14] <bees> like never

L1282[21:14:55] <YyyEclipse> but I've also had it do other ridiculous things like continuously downloading large files and somehow slowing program execution to a crawl with that

L1283[21:15:47] <YyyEclipse> it also has a completely idiotic issue with the inbuilt console, if you want to input in japanese, you first have to manually set the console prompt to where it should be

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L1285[21:16:20] <YyyEclipse> otherwise the program hands and your input overwrites characters from the (0;0) position

L1286[21:16:25] <YyyEclipse> *hangs

L1287[21:32:53] <YyyEclipse> ;quit lesson over

L1288[21:33:00] <YyyEclipse> wait

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L1301[22:04:59] <Guest50722> how do i make my mods work

L1302[22:05:24] <Guest50722> plz

L1303[22:07:03] <ve2dmn> Try CKAN?

L1304[22:07:54] <ve2dmn> If you don't want to manage things manually, it's a good mod manager for KSP

L1305[22:09:02] <Guest50722> how do i get ckan

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L1308[22:12:06] <UmbralRaptor> first result for googling "ckan ksp" https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/90246-the-comprehensive-kerbal-archive-network-ckan-package-manager-v1180-19-june-2016/

L1309[22:12:48] <UmbralRaptor> bad Google

L1310[22:12:51] <UmbralRaptor> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154922-ckan-the-comprehensive-kerbal-archive-network-v1226-guiana/

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L1312[22:16:15] <madmerlyn> is there a way to refit ships in stellaris?

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L1317[22:35:41] <GlassYunity> someone please tell me what that simple-ish idea was that I wanted to make in unity

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L1322[23:28:01] <Draconiator> before I go to bed I think I'm gonna make a "technology demonstrator" model of my large UAV.

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