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L3[00:08:15] <Althego> now imagine it, a
furry president, and still better than trump
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L14[01:49:57] <Althego> stock tech tree
should have wheels first, then jets and wings, then rockets and
probes, then pods
L15[01:50:15] <Althego> in fact it is
easier to collect science from orbit than to collect it from the
space center because of this
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L18[02:10:37] <TheKosmonaut> Althego: 1)
politics here? No. 2) the tech tree mods are a lifesaver for
that.
L19[02:10:47] <Althego> mods
L20[02:10:53] <Althego> that tells
ecverything
L21[02:11:11] <TheKosmonaut> The tech shrub
has always been silly
L22[02:11:39] <Rokker> ... is it really
that hard not to bring up politics?
L23[02:14:59] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank
Level: 38%
L24[02:30:19] <Althego> we should have this
in ta bot
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L26[02:42:56] <Rokker> cringe: thanks
L27[02:43:03] <Rokker> been a while since I
checked
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L31[03:41:40] <darsie> The world first
organization doesn't recognize I've been in Jools atmosphere even
if I go so deep I explode :(.
L32[03:41:50] <darsie> Will Jeb still get
the XP?
L33[03:42:42] <darsie> The sole purpose of
the mission is to get Jeb the 5th star.
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L37[04:02:45] <darsie> Can I check in the
save file if he has it?
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L40[04:08:51] <darsie> FLIGHT_LOG 14 =
Flight,Jool
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L46[04:51:51] <Althego> is there a way to
go to duna in stock without the map?
L47[04:54:59] <Althego> i could use my burn
time or speed increase to end the burn
L48[04:55:08] <Althego> but i dont have a
reference to navigate with
L49[04:55:19] <Althego> on the start of the
burn
L50[04:57:21] <Althego> the only thing i
can think of is the skybox
L51[04:59:42] <Althego> but then the chosen
point will depend on the date of the launch window
L52[05:02:07] <Mat2ch> you need a star
tracker, like every normal space craft has. :D
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L59[05:50:01] <taniwha> Althego: burn
prograde when duna is on the horizon (if you're in the
window)
L60[05:50:15] <Althego> what, the same as
with the moon?
L61[05:50:18] <taniwha> (seriously, it
worked for me the one time I tried)
L62[05:50:21] <taniwha> yeah
L63[05:50:31] <Althego> ah because it is
also around 45 deg
L64[05:50:43] <taniwha> of course, you
might need the map for figuring out when you have the
encounter
L65[05:50:55] <taniwha> works for minmus,
too
L66[05:51:13] <taniwha> (not perfectly, but
good enough)
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L68[06:00:42] <nick1> hello all
L69[06:01:17] <Althego> cant greet you, the
bot would greet me back :)
L71[06:01:41] <nick1> do you know much
about messing with the persistent files?
L72[06:02:04] <Althego> not really. they
are regular save files, text format, editable
L73[06:02:14] <Althego> there are some
automatic backups too
L74[06:02:17] <taniwha> nick1: what do you
want to know?
L75[06:02:21] <nick1> about as much as me
then.
L76[06:02:43] <nick1> i'm looking to
re-activate a mission. i have found it under completed missions in
my persistent file
L77[06:03:03] <nick1> something glitched
and my mission has completed but it is impossible. since i haven't
landed yet
L78[06:03:10] <nick1> i need to re-activate
a mission
L79[06:03:25] <taniwha> you sure you had to
land?
L80[06:03:39] <nick1> yeah i have to land a
rover on moho
L81[06:03:43] <Althego> hehe, i remember
when in the older progression system i got some landing on pol
completed because i landed in the polar crater of the mun
L82[06:03:49] <taniwha> nick1: hmm
L83[06:03:59] <nick1> before i even
achieved orbit the mission had completed, and no financial reward
came
L84[06:04:07] <nick1> not sure but it
glitcjed i'm sure
L85[06:04:15] <taniwha> could it have
expired?
L86[06:04:27] <taniwha> anyway, sorry, I
don't know what to do for contracts
L87[06:04:31] <nick1> i see
L88[06:04:36] <nick1> no it never
expires
L89[06:04:41] <taniwha> it takes knowledge
of the before and after
L90[06:04:50] <nick1> same, looking to
change it without breaking my game
L91[06:05:26] <taniwha> well, on that, I
can give advice: make backups :)
L92[06:05:57] <nick1> yeah i;m good at
that. my average mission will take around 30 backups haha. every
manouvre pretty much
L93[06:06:02] <Althego> you can just have a
regular save done from the space center
L94[06:06:06] <Althego> from time to
time
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L104[07:39:17] <Althego> what is that
apparatus?
L105[07:39:58] <Fluburtur> something to
dry the tail of my canadait
L106[07:40:07] <Fluburtur> which is
useless because I will make a new one
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L109[07:48:02] <Ruedii> It seems the fixed
landing gear has way too much bounce. I'm going to tinker with the
settings and report a bug if I find a solution.
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L111[07:54:13] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: a new
canadair oder new tail? :D
L112[07:54:37] <Fluburtur> just a new
tail
L113[07:55:08] <Mat2ch> one without holes
for water? :D
L114[07:55:19] <Fluburtur> yeah
L115[07:55:23] <Fluburtur> probably wood
even
L116[07:55:27] <Fluburtur> so water won't
damage it
L117[08:16:34] <Althego> make it from ice,
so water heals it :)
L118[08:17:04] <Mat2ch> eh
L119[08:17:10] <Mat2ch> Mythbusters tried
that. ;)
L120[08:17:20] <Mat2ch> water didn't heal
it...
L121[08:17:30] <Althego> in reality water
melts ice if it is not cold
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L124[08:19:44] <kmath> YouTube - boat made
of ice and newspaper.avi
L125[08:20:35] <Mat2ch> well, it's two
years since the show ended. I still miss them :|
L126[08:31:28] <Althego> pleasure building
strange craft with you :)
L127[08:35:20] <Mat2ch> they didn't get
along so well, it seems. But this was true appreciation
L129[08:36:11] <Fluburtur> uh
L130[08:36:19] <Fluburtur> that was not
planned
L131[08:36:32] <Fluburtur> anyways, the
old tail was 30cm wide and I will make the new one 40cm
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L139[09:05:04] <ve2dmn> good morning
L140[09:08:31] <ve2dmn> ;tell darsie
Doesn't matter what the world first organization, in my heart, Jeb
Kerman has all the stars.
L141[09:08:31] <kmath> ve2dmn: I'll let
darsie know when I see them
L142[09:09:09] <ve2dmn> I think I forgot a
or 2 in there
L143[09:09:17] <ve2dmn> bah!
L144[09:12:51] <Fluburtur> you know what,
I will wait for tomorrow and see if I can make the tail with
waterproofed cardboard
L145[09:13:25] <ve2dmn> is it
priciey?
L146[09:13:35] <Fluburtur> no
L147[09:13:36] <ve2dmn> And is there a
weigh difference?
L148[09:13:52] <Fluburtur> apparently I
need to mix acetone and polystyrene and paint that on
cardboard
L149[09:14:29] <ve2dmn> sounds like nasty
fumes
L150[09:14:40] <Fluburtur> yeah
L151[09:15:55] <Althego> but gas
mask!
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L158[09:23:21] <ve2dmn> butt gas mask?
Sound unconfortable
L159[09:25:40] <ve2dmn> btw, this encouter
script is giving me headaches (good ones)
L160[09:27:54] <ve2dmn> I'm trying to make
the encouter:
L161[09:28:04] <ve2dmn> 1) not crash into
the planet
L162[09:28:13] <ve2dmn> 2) not encouter
any moons.
L163[09:28:20] <ve2dmn> 3) Not leave the
SOI
L164[09:28:26] <ve2dmn> 4) not take 400
years
L165[09:28:35] <ve2dmn> 5) not use all the
dV
L166[09:28:47] <Althego> hehe
L167[09:28:54] <ve2dmn> The function is
getting more complicated by the minute
L168[09:29:10] <ve2dmn> plus I have to
watch 2 cats so they don't kill each other
L169[09:31:48] <ve2dmn> So far my method
consist of mathing Pe orbit 1 with a point on orbit of the ship,
and adjusting the orbit around that point so I get an
encouter
L170[09:33:01] <Althego> nobody likes 14k
line functions, split them to smaller functions
L171[09:33:05] <ve2dmn> But I could
potentially use a million dV to force that encouter (by staying
there, burning all the time)
L172[09:33:26] <VanDisaster> coders in the
80s apparently dug 14k line functions
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L174[09:33:53] <ve2dmn> Or I could wait a
million years and in that timeframe I would surely get a close-call
at 4 m/s dv
L175[09:33:54] <VanDisaster> after working
on ancient radius servers & similar horrors...
L176[09:34:12] <Althego> hehe
L177[09:34:19] <ve2dmn> ...so I have to
compromise and I'm not sure what's the best way :/
L178[09:34:27] <Althego> i menrioned that
number specifically because i have seen stuff like that
L179[09:34:41] <ve2dmn> VanDisaster: Code
never dies
L180[09:34:49] <Althego> i realized i dont
know most of the continents of kerbin
L181[09:35:07] <ve2dmn> I have seen an
ACSII text file of over 1 MB of just COBOL
L182[09:35:12] <Althego> never even went
there with the exception of landing from far away
L183[09:35:34] <ve2dmn> Which explain my
hatred of the language
L184[09:36:24] <ve2dmn> brb, need to
seperate 2 cats
L185[09:37:53] <Althego>
catA.separate(CatB)
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L187[09:45:33] <ve2dmn> nah.
L188[09:46:02] <umaxtu> ve2dmn: how
scratched up did you get?
L189[09:46:04] <ve2dmn>
self.Take(catB,Empty_bedroom)
L190[09:46:45] <ve2dmn> My cat is very
nervous. The other cat is all like: "Yeah! A New friend!!!...
Why is she angry? :("
L191[09:47:15] <ve2dmn> So I simply pick
up that second cat (Kitten) and put her back into the empty bedrrom
where all her stuff is
L192[09:47:52] <umaxtu> ah
L193[09:48:06] <ve2dmn> They didn't even
attack each other. My own cat is afraid of the kitten, so she shows
her teeth and retreat
L194[09:48:45] <VanDisaster> afraid of a
*kitten*?
L195[09:49:23] <ve2dmn> The kitten is all
innocent
L196[09:49:26] <VanDisaster> presumably
this isn't a very young kitten :)
L197[09:49:36] <ve2dmn> 6 months?
L198[09:50:19] <VanDisaster> small cat
sized then, that's... a bit more understandable
L199[09:50:28] <ve2dmn> She looks almost
dead around september. You could almost see her every bone
L200[09:50:45] <ve2dmn> So my Mom took
pity on the poor thing
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L202[09:51:16] <ve2dmn> Right now she's
leaving for Sunny destinations, which is why I have 2 cats in the
house
L203[09:51:40] <ve2dmn> In the worse case,
I can close the door and they wont see each other
L204[09:52:03] <ve2dmn> which is what I do
when I go out
L205[09:52:40] <ve2dmn> My own cat doesn't
really care about that extra bedroom. There's nothing exciting in
it
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L207[09:55:03] <ve2dmn> anyway. It's back
to my kOS I go
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L216[10:19:27] <madmerlyn> better syntax
highlighting than C++ :D
L217[10:19:49] <ve2dmn> I use Notepad++ on
my gaming Machine and gedit on my work laptop.
L218[10:19:56] <ve2dmn> So I'll be adding
that :D
L220[10:21:30] <ve2dmn> I'm using that
Monkai style
L221[10:21:34] <madmerlyn> nice
L222[10:23:06] <ve2dmn> ...it's not making
my code any better, but at least it looks nice.
L223[10:28:58] <Neal> do the orbital
scanners like the SENTINEL telescope provide science points?
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L225[10:35:09] <Althego> the sentinel
needs to be in heliocentric orbit to do anything at all
L226[10:36:20] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn kinda
annoying that gedit's preferences can't be edited without the
command line now
L227[10:36:25] <madmerlyn> wtf was gnome
thinking
L228[10:36:45] <madmerlyn> I'm having to
manually set my scheme using gsettings command because there's no
edit or preferences menu on the app's GUI
L229[10:36:54] <ve2dmn> Ask them, not
me
L230[10:37:23] <madmerlyn> builder-dark
seems like a pretty good one
L231[10:37:39] <ve2dmn> Also, I find that
in case of bloat, people will try to re-invent the wheel and re-do
the mistakes of the past.
L232[10:38:10] <ve2dmn> AKA, the mythical
Man-Month is lost on people
L233[10:38:17] <ve2dmn> (the book)
L234[10:38:39] *
UmbralRaptor should read that at some point.
L235[10:39:21] <ve2dmn> It's old, but
humans have not changed that much, so the 'what-not-do-to' has not
changed much
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L237[10:40:45] <madmerlyn> wow kos has
nano syntax highlighting.. I didn't even know that was a
thing
L238[10:40:49] <madmerlyn> who scripts in
nano? lol
L239[10:41:07] <ve2dmn> Someone,
somewhere
L240[10:41:29] <madmerlyn> nano is what
you use for quick edits if you don't know vi
L241[10:42:01] <ve2dmn> Or Pico
L242[10:42:07] <ve2dmn> sorry, pico
L243[10:43:25] <ve2dmn> When I need a
quick editor, I use what's installed. It's usually vi(m) or
gedit.
L244[10:43:59] <ve2dmn> On Windows, I use
Notepad++, because there are no native 'editors' on Windows
L245[10:44:51] <madmerlyn> I replace
notepad with notepad2 on all my windows servers I manage, not full
featured like NPP but has some basic bells like line numbering and
basic highlighting
L246[10:45:05] <ve2dmn> Notepad is more of
a Demo App then a proper editor
L247[10:45:16] <Althego> hehe
L248[10:45:29] <Althego> remember when it
had a 32K max characters limit?
L249[10:45:30] <ve2dmn> I mean... it has
not changed since... 1992?
L250[10:45:42] <Althego> you can type that
much, and i did
L251[10:46:08] *
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L252[10:46:45] *
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L253[10:47:34] <ve2dmn> did you know that
you can change 'a' into 'A' using ~ in vi? It's written right here
on this mug!
L254[10:48:04] <ve2dmn> Too bad Thinkgeek
does not sell it any more
L255[10:49:57] <Azander> and A into
a
L256[10:50:32] <ve2dmn> of course
L257[10:50:39] <ve2dmn> 'Change
case'
L258[10:51:11] <Azander> yep
L260[10:54:03] *
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L263[10:58:06] <ve2dmn> I use it rarely
because the ~ is hard to get to on the FR-CA multilingual
keyboard
L264[10:58:28] <Althego> you do
programming on english, possibly us layout
L265[10:58:37] <Althego> any other way
borders with insanity
L266[10:59:17] <ve2dmn> It's close enough
to US keyboard with having the problems of the AZERTY
L267[10:59:27] <ve2dmn> I can switch
between the 2 without much issues
L268[10:59:42] <Shoe17> S U B L I M
E
L269[10:59:46] <ve2dmn> but switching from
US to FR is insanity
L270[11:00:08] <ve2dmn> The number row is
reversed, for example
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L273[11:10:27] <madmerlyn> alright, time
to launch our first permanent satellite
L274[11:11:00] <ve2dmn> good luck with
Stayputnik
L275[11:11:07] <Althego> hehe
L276[11:11:10] <Althego> caps lock
power
L277[11:11:17] <madmerlyn> the KOSDS-1
'Sauron', the Sauron will see the seen and unseen characteristics
of Kerbin, providing kerbalkind with important information about
Kerbin's surface, atmosphere, and magnetic fields
L278[11:11:33] <JCB> watch'n tapegaming's
fighter dukeout... got a few planes myself but I don't mess with
bdarmoury..
L279[11:12:51] <madmerlyn> launch vehicle
is a SR2 'Sandstone' rocket (2 T800s with a LV-T30 engine)
L280[11:12:57] <Althego> dont mess with
the missionary man
L281[11:13:45] <UmbralRaptor> That's got a
payload of what, 1.5 tonnes?
L282[11:14:03] <JCB> little eaglet jet
fighter... pull'n 30gs. Um ouch. surprised it held together
L283[11:14:57] <JCB> mind you.. I've
pulled 40-50gs on some things... anyways
L284[11:15:28] <UmbralRaptor> …
correction: more like 2-3. O_o
L285[11:16:27] <madmerlyn> launch was
successful, time to park this bad boy and get some data
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L289[11:22:51] <Althego> so
spaceprobe-y
L290[11:23:06] <Althego> the magnetometer
on the boom?
L291[11:23:10] <JCB> those plasmawave
experiments antennae?
L292[11:23:20] <Althego> or plasma
wave
L293[11:23:39] <madmerlyn> RPWS,
Magnometer, and RADAR altimetry
L294[11:23:51] <madmerlyn> plus GOREsat on
top
L295[11:23:51] <JCB> radio plasma
wave...
L296[11:24:56] <JCB> I wanted to download
galellio's RPWS data... 10gigs later.. and still had more coming
in, decided to just give up
L297[11:25:26] <Althego> hehe
L298[11:25:39] <JCB> it was the mission's
lifetime results...
L299[11:26:00] <JCB> sadly it was coming
at me rather slowly.. 4 hours later..
L300[11:27:13] *
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L301[11:29:16] *
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L305[11:47:56] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn I think
I might have enough inspiration+motivation this afternoon to work
on a commsat constellation deployment script
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L309[11:49:01] <madmerlyn> right now the
way I've always done it is park in the orbit I want, look at
orbital period in KER, then adjust my ap or peri to be 4/3 or 2/3
orbital period, then circularize, but with kOS I could have it
calculate the orbital period I want without having to park there
first, insert right into the pacing orbit
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L317[12:08:20] <kmath> YouTube - SPOILED
KID CRINGE COMPILATION #3 (Tantrums and Crying) (2017)
L318[12:11:54] <Fluburtur> Draconiator I
can't make any uav that is good enough
L319[12:12:04] <Fluburtur> guess no plane
can surpass my k29
L320[12:13:56] <Draconiator> Heh
L321[12:14:50] <Draconiator> I called mine
the Titanobolt, because it's big, and it's FAST...well not fast at
low altitudes but you get me heh.
L322[12:16:05] <Draconiator> Pretty sure
the second girl in the above video is the "Vampire
Surgeon" person.
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L327[12:18:23] <kmath> YouTube -
Explaining the Delta Rocket Fireball - Kerbal Space Program Doesn't
Teach....
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L343[12:50:23] <FltAdmVonSpiz> does Laythe
have precisely the same atmospheric and gravitational
characteristics as Kerbin? ie. can I simply test a lander on Kerbin
and use it for Laythe without modification?
L344[12:54:06] <Althego> no
L345[12:54:32] <Althego> lower gravity,
less oxygen, different atmospheric properties by altitude
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L348[12:55:22] <FltAdmVonSpiz> gah
L349[12:55:34] <Althego> so generally gets
are with lower thrust, but wings glide better, on the other hand it
is harder to land, and the upper atmosphere is surprisingly dense,
although it ends at a lower altitude
L350[12:55:44] <Althego> gets = jets
L351[12:55:58] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I dont have
any jets unlocked anyway
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L353[12:56:15] <Althego> then you probably
shouldnt try to go to laythe anyway
L354[12:57:03] <Althego> it is a good
place to go, because you can spare a lot of fuel on a jet
ascent
L355[12:57:14] <Althego> and you can
search for a good landing spot with the jets
L356[12:57:29] <Althego> without jets it
is not worth the trouble
L357[12:59:15] <FltAdmVonSpiz> ive
currently on landed on the mun, minmus and gilly, since I went to
gilly via EVA pack
L358[12:59:19] <FltAdmVonSpiz> *only
L359[12:59:23] <FltAdmVonSpiz> lot of
orbital flybys though
L360[12:59:37] <Althego> duna?
L361[12:59:49] <Althego> wait, i think you
wwnt to duna already
L362[13:00:00] <FltAdmVonSpiz> low orbit
passes over ike, duna and eve
L363[13:00:04] <FltAdmVonSpiz> although
the eve mission went very badly twice
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L365[13:00:31] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I had to
scrub the first one because I botched the rendevous, and the second
one ended up with valentina bailing out of a wrecked command pod on
an escape trajectory and having to be rescued in an enormous
spacecraft
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L367[13:00:43] <Althego> lol
L368[13:00:49] <Althego> duna is a
friendly place
L369[13:01:00] <FltAdmVonSpiz> obviously
we gave Jeb the mission of sitting on top of a huge stack of
massive SRBs and a Twin Boar
L370[13:01:02] <Althego> barely needs more
delta v than the mun, because of the atmosphere
L371[13:01:24] <FltAdmVonSpiz> oh also got
disorientated during Gilly departure so burned the wrong way
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L373[13:01:35] <FltAdmVonSpiz> since my
maneuvre node marker went a bit crazy and I wasted a tonne of
delta-V
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L375[13:01:48] <FltAdmVonSpiz> was
supposed to be increasing my orbital eccentricity and I ended up
circularising it
L376[13:02:30] <Althego> hehe
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L378[13:04:30] <FltAdmVonSpiz> oh wait I
have the Juno
L379[13:05:59] <Althego> if you font know
how to use tylo for gravity assisted capture i would say pack a
heatshield for laythe too, because the upper atmosphere is quite
nasty
L380[13:07:12] <Althego> as usual the most
basic jet is not very helpful
L381[13:07:24] <Althego> the problem is
the upper speed you can attain with those
L382[13:07:36] <Althego> and hence delta v
you spare for rockets
L383[13:10:32] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yeah I can
do a gravity assist, ive become relatively adept at orbital
maneuvres
L384[13:10:36] <FltAdmVonSpiz> just hate
gravity turns honestly
L385[13:16:29] <Althego> gravity turn is
not a gravity assist
L386[13:16:59] <Althego> tomorrow
unsounded is coming back from hiatus. yay
L388[13:28:34] <kmath> YouTube - Vivaldi -
Spring I
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L390[13:29:42] <Fluburtur> this guy plays
bass way too well
L391[13:30:03] <darsie> Does the 5th star
add any capabilities for pilots?
L393[13:32:39] <ve2dmn> Raise G
Tolerance
L394[13:37:23] <ve2dmn> So no. Above 3
star it's minor
L395[13:38:57] <FltAdmVonSpiz> ive never
actually done a spaceplane although ive been doing KSP for
years
L396[13:39:06] <FltAdmVonSpiz> last
aircraft I flew may or may not have been an infiniglider
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L399[13:39:45] <FltAdmVonSpiz> off and on
that is
L400[13:41:04] <darsie> thx
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L402[13:44:18] <ve2dmn> I'm kind of tired
of babysitting this encouter script...
L403[13:44:33] <ve2dmn> I have not
progressed in the game since :/
L404[13:47:23] <darsie> Getting the 5th
star via Jool/Lathy flyby/dive was tough.
L405[13:47:32] <darsie> Laythe
L406[13:49:45] <ve2dmn> Install MKS
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L408[13:49:55] <ve2dmn> You can get
experiences other ways...
L409[13:50:07] <ve2dmn> ...of course it
also comes with Life Support so...
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L412[13:55:49] <Althego> lol
L413[13:55:54] <darsie> :)
L414[13:58:10] <darsie> First I had a
Communotron 88-88 till I realized I forgot to open it and
everything still worked. Then I ditched it.
L415[13:58:15] <darsie> -100 kg
L416[13:58:37] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I would
have flooded the system with probes by now if not for my relay
range issues
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L418[14:08:04] <Althego> ions are bad at
jool
L419[14:08:30] <Arynnia> Unless you have
nuclear power xD
L420[14:08:42] <FltAdmVonSpiz> why doesn't
stock KSP have a nuclear reactor?
L421[14:08:47] <ve2dmn> Or unlimited
time
L422[14:08:47] <FltAdmVonSpiz> why can't I
have JIMO
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L424[14:18:02] <darsie> Althego:
why?
L425[14:18:30] <Althego> because you need
to pack a lot of solar panels. far away from the sun
L426[14:18:53] <Althego> and that further
diminishes their not so good twr
L427[14:18:59] <darsie> Althego: No. I had
lots of battery. And lots of time to recharge. I ran out of battery
at Kerbin.
L428[14:19:10] <darsie> in the shade
L429[14:19:55] <darsie> Without ions you
need to pack lots of fuel.
L430[14:20:18] <darsie> I made it with 70
kg Xe.
L431[14:20:42] <Althego> no amount of mass
saving will convince me to suffer through ions at jool
L432[14:21:02] <Althego> or rather
anywhere
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L434[14:21:41] <darsie> I landed at Jeb at
Eeloo with ions.
L435[14:21:58] <Althego> that just proves
you are a masochist :)
L436[14:22:03] <darsie> :)
L437[14:22:43] <darsie> I think. I don't
remember well.
L438[14:23:39] <darsie> I did use an RTG
there.
L439[14:25:45] <darsie> Yes, yes, I
remember now. It was tough. Needed a very precise suicide burn or
whatever you call it. Best attempt was when I only lost 1 battery
at landing.
L441[14:28:31] <darsie> Damn, I didn't
need that antenna.
L442[14:29:17] <darsie> Or did I need to
transmit science? The ship didn't make it all the way back. Had to
send a rescue ship.
L443[14:29:27] <JCB> kerbal g-tolerance...
since 1.2? mm.. whats max g they can handle at no stars?
L445[14:30:30] *
darsie tests ...
L446[14:30:36] <JCB> I saw that... 1.15x
of what though?
L447[14:30:56] <darsie> maybe 1.15x of
tourists, engineers and scientists?
L448[14:31:42] <JCB> normally I don't go
above 4 or 5gs in career... I"m going to wager a guess
g-tolerance is turned off in sandbox?
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L450[14:34:05] <Ellied> so, according to
my records it's been about one year since I was last here
L451[14:34:22] <Ellied> (as
GreeningGalaxy, also according to records)
L452[14:34:29] <madmerlyn> hi GG
L453[14:34:34] <Ellied> ahoy
L454[14:34:41] <madmerlyn> I was gone for
a while too
L455[14:35:26] <madmerlyn> we mostly talk
about kOS in here nowadays heh, with occasional discussion on Delta
IVs lighting themselves on fire nominally
L456[14:35:49] <ve2dmn> Ellied: wb
L457[14:36:00] <Ellied> oh, fascinating,
it appears my old nick is banned in here
L458[14:36:10] <darsie> JCB: Bill just
survived 17+ g for a short time.
L459[14:36:12] <JCB> .... star 1 pilot,
pulled 54g's... no blackout
L460[14:36:12] <madmerlyn> you're such a
bad person, I can see why
L461[14:36:15] <Althego> hehe the scott
manley video
L462[14:36:24] <Althego> fireball
nominally
L463[14:36:38] <JCB> does it have to be
sustained?
L464[14:36:42] <madmerlyn> I watched that
launch and hadn't seen a Delta before, I thought it was gonna
splode
L465[14:36:44] <darsie> dunno
L466[14:37:00] <madmerlyn> AFAIK you have
to enable G force blackout in your game settings JCB
L467[14:37:05] <darsie> 54 g? How did you
do that?
L468[14:39:22] <darsie> JCB:
L469[14:39:33] <JCB> took plane with a
wheesly engine, up to 8km.. nosed down, till I was only a few 2km
up to get up to speed. Full pitch up
L470[14:39:53] <madmerlyn> so GG what
brought you back to our happy fun time club? you playing KSP
again?
L471[14:39:55] <JCB> bleh.. spell fail...
thanks edit
L472[14:40:32] <Ellied> madmerlyn: nah,
but I have been hanging out in satellite channels of here ever
since, figured I'd pop in
L473[14:40:46] <Ellied> majoring in
physics and doing research took away all my gaming time
L474[14:41:15] <madmerlyn> I wish I could
afford to go back to college :P
L475[14:41:31] <Ellied> :[
L476[14:41:36] <JCB> oh wait.. advanced
settings.. dang it
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L480[14:43:20] <JCB> part upgrades
huh?
L481[14:43:52] <madmerlyn> that was a
thing if you downloaded the porkjet stuff they released after he
left
L482[14:44:06] <madmerlyn> basically
improves a few of the stock engines as you unlock later nodes on
the tech tree
L483[14:44:31] <JCB> I recall something
similar from the FASA stuff...
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L485[14:46:21] <darsie> Maybe g-force
lethality is a setting.
L486[14:46:24] <GuestBanana> Can I have
help getting a controller to work with KSP?
L487[14:46:36] <madmerlyn> stock doesn't
really have lethality
L488[14:46:41] <madmerlyn> just blackouts
IIRC
L489[14:47:07] <JCB> I've been having a
craving to send stuff to the arctic, build a base..
L490[14:47:11] <Ellied> stock has
blackouts now? nice
L491[14:47:19] <madmerlyn> advanced
settings, yes
L492[14:47:20] <GuestBanana> Ellied: yeah,
since 1.2
L493[14:47:34] <Ellied> 1.3.1, huh, I
think the last I saw was 1.2.0 and I didn't really do anything with
it because it was completely broken on Linux
L494[14:47:39] <madmerlyn> can enable
commnet plasma blackouts too
L495[14:47:55] <madmerlyn> works fine on
my arch install Ellied
L496[14:48:08] <Ellied> what, the latest
version, or 1.2.0
L497[14:48:15] <madmerlyn> the KSRPC
texture visor reflections don't work though
L498[14:48:20] <madmerlyn> 1.3.1 is what
I'm playing, never tried 1.2
L499[14:48:24] <Ellied> gotcha
L501[14:48:40] <madmerlyn> KSRPC visor
reflections are bright pink on OGL/Linux
L502[14:48:53] <GuestBanana> madmerlyn:
i'm still on 1.2.2, just because :) i'm an occasional player
L503[14:49:21] <GuestBanana> no hatred
towards localization or anything like that, just am slightly
worried about compatibility
L504[14:49:54] <JCB> I usually don't pull
a lot of gees in career mode anyways
L505[14:50:11] <JCB> kind of hard not to
when your chutes grab hold of air
L506[14:50:19] <madmerlyn> Ellie what
career path are you going for with physics? Plan on being a career
researcher or teaching or engineering or something I can't think
of?
L507[14:51:21] <Ellied> Probably teaching,
that's where my heart is
L508[14:51:35] <Ellied> research is fun
too, but not more than I'd be able to do as a prof
L509[14:51:45] <Ellied> that is to say I'd
be content with university-level research
L510[14:52:10] <Ellied> no need
necessarily to go to a whole national lab or something, and
certainly no interest in business or finance
L511[14:52:58] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn did I
ever show you my take on an Advanced Gemini lander in Kerbal?
L512[14:53:02] <Ellied> for the near term
I'm planning to do a Ph.D. and a postdoc if I can; I have only a
few months or so left as an undergrad and still lots of excitement
for the field
L513[14:53:44] <madmerlyn> that's pretty
cool. I just have an Associates and a lot of bills
L514[14:54:34] <Ellied> tzh, yeah. I'm
probably going to end up with some loans after all because my
scholarship only covers 4 years exactly and I have to take at least
one extra quarter
L515[14:54:49] <GuestBanana> that sucks
:(
L516[14:56:05] <Ellied> could be worse, at
least I have half a chance of being able to work in my field
straight out of grad school, and probably won't have to flip
burgers
L517[14:56:40] <Ellied> or i could go into
finance and become a millionaire lmao god no
L518[14:57:31] <madmerlyn> I'd love to be
a millionaire so I could spend all day studying and learning
whatever I want :P
L519[14:58:32] <Ellied> you don't
necessarily need to be a millionaire to do that
L520[14:58:41] <madmerlyn> but for now I
get to fix Shirley's email and deal with facilities not following
IT protocol for tickets
L521[14:58:52] <Ellied> alas
L522[14:59:06] <madmerlyn> I wish we could
make a rule saying DO NOT OPEN TICKETS IN ALL CAPS, NIKKI.
L523[15:06:07] <Ellied> I spent the last
year and a half or so designing a frequency counter module for the
Raspberry Pi, and now everyone's on my case to work on marketing
and selling it lol
L524[15:06:19] <Ellied> I don't even think
it's marketable
L525[15:06:38] <madmerlyn> I want to get
into digital signage with RPis
L526[15:06:44] <madmerlyn> I think I could
break into a local market with it
L527[15:06:50] <Ellied> like maybe a few
people (especially those at university physics departments) will
want one but it's really not worth spending time patenting
L528[15:07:26] <ve2dmn> Ellied:
classic
L529[15:07:49] <Ellied> current plan is to
release its design files under an open-source license and maybe
launch a kickstarter for a production run if enough people want
one. Should be easy to deliver on because I already have a working
version of the device, just no money to drop on fabbing
hundreds
L530[15:08:22] <Ellied> I really just want
to move on to the next thing though, I learned tons about
electronics design while making this thing and have lots of new
plans now
L532[15:10:17] <ve2dmn> Sorry for the big
link
L533[15:10:52] <Ellied> interesting
possibility
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L536[15:12:24] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L539[15:16:25] <madmerlyn> yo novy
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L543[15:19:57] <Ellied> oo, there's an LED
on on the Dark Lab
L544[15:20:12] <Ellied> can't tell what.
Never seen any lights in there before
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L547[15:28:56] <madmerlyn> uh... does
stock tell deltaV in VAB now?
L548[15:29:17] <madmerlyn> I just noticed
down at the bottom there's a little pane that shows VESSEL data and
has Delta-V: as the first row
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L551[15:37:09] <GuestBanana> Can I have
help getting a controller to work with KSP?
L552[15:39:02] <GuestBanana> It will not
recognize my directional-pad, analog stick, ZL or ZR buttons.
L553[15:39:31] <madmerlyn> did you map
those under axes?
L554[15:40:43] <GuestBanana> what
L555[15:40:54] <GuestBanana> i'm a noob at
controllers and windows
L556[15:41:36] <madmerlyn> in KSP the
joystick parts of your controller have to be mapped under
axes
L557[15:41:44] <madmerlyn> can't just
assign them to up/down/left/right
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L560[15:42:13] <GuestBanana> I would
appreciate a picture, madmerlyn
L561[15:42:30] <madmerlyn> I don't have a
picture
L562[15:42:44] <madmerlyn> I'm helpful,
I'm not THAT helpful, sorry.
L563[15:42:55] <GuestBanana> well, i'll
just remember what you said
L564[15:43:33] <madmerlyn> generally any
time you're configuring a device that isn't just a button though,
like a joystick, where you'll have variable output based on
position, it's going to be assigned as an axis in whatever program
you're using
L565[15:44:12] <GuestBanana> oh
L566[15:44:47] <GuestBanana> I got it
working on Farming Simulator 17 without doing all this stuff
L567[15:44:58] <madmerlyn> axes being
commonly read as the plural of axe instead of the plural of axis is
also slightly confusing in text I'll admit
L568[15:46:27] <GuestBanana> FS17
configuration was annoying though - there was a preset for xbone
controllers, but no preset for 360's
L569[15:46:51] <madmerlyn> I've got a
NES30Pro, I haven't tried hooking it up to KSP though
L570[15:46:56] <madmerlyn> I use it on my
Switch
L571[15:47:19] <madmerlyn> eventually I'm
going to build a KSRPC controller with a RPi or Arduino HID
controller
L572[15:47:31] *
GuestBanana is silently feeling conflicted because he has a Wii
U
L573[15:48:13] <madmerlyn> I really don't
like the fact that X and Y are reversed in Nintendo controllers
compared to Xbox though
L574[15:48:30] <madmerlyn> I'm so used to
Xbox that when I'm playing sonic and it shows a big X on the screen
I hit the wrong button every time
L575[15:48:46] <GuestBanana> DOUBLE
BOOST!
L576[15:48:50] <GuestBanana> (sorry)
L577[15:49:36] <madmerlyn> I feel like I'd
enjoy sonic so much more if the buttons were Xbox scheme
L578[15:49:48] <GuestBanana> it's just a
small gripe
L579[15:50:06] <GuestBanana> switch
versions aren't even optimized to be the best, PC is where it's
at
L580[15:50:23] <madmerlyn> I don't even
know how I could switch them, I mean I could switch them manually
in settings but that'll just change which button does what, won't
fix the problem of, I see "X" or "Y" on the
screen and my brain corresponds it to the wrong muscle memory
L581[15:52:05] <GuestBanana> the brain is
a confusing thing
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L583[15:52:40] <madmerlyn> I guess
Nintendo picked X and Y's position back in the SNES days huh
L584[15:53:19] <madmerlyn> so I can't
really gripe about them switching them around so much as I should
be griping that MS chose to use the same letters but in different
positions when they designed the Xbox
L585[15:53:52] <madmerlyn> even if they
had gone with ABCD it would've been better because then I wouldn't
be programmed for X to be on the left instead of top position
L586[15:58:02] <GuestBanana> madmerlyn:
Sonic Forces: yes or no?
L587[15:58:14] <madmerlyn> that's what I
have
L588[15:58:17] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: There's
a whole story about the ABXY positioning
L589[15:59:04] <ve2dmn> TL;DR: Nintendo
was first, Playstation went the symbol route and Microsoft reversed
the layout ofr... reasons
L590[16:00:53] <madmerlyn> TBF Xbox's
sceme is alphabetical left to right though
L591[16:00:58] <sandbox> YBXA
L592[16:01:40] <madmerlyn> XY>AB if you
go L>R along the orientation your thumb would be in
L593[16:01:55] <madmerlyn> while nintendo
is YX>BA
L594[16:02:13] <icefire> nintendo changed
their xyba layout on gamecube :^)
L595[16:03:18] <GuestBanana> I don't know,
it doesn't really bother me because i'm in an ecosystem where
standard nintendo is the norm and i don't have an xbox
L596[16:03:52] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn did you
see the graphic I made for my Advanced Gemini?
L597[16:04:34] <madmerlyn> wikipedia says
one AG proposal included an "open cockpit lander", NASA
almost went full Kerbal before Apollo.
L598[16:06:22] <ve2dmn> maybe?
L600[16:07:18] <ve2dmn> nice
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L602[16:09:29] <madmerlyn> going to pack
it for short dives to small moons
L603[16:09:51] <madmerlyn> I have some
beefier landers I've made that include 7d supplies for longer
surface operations
L604[16:10:20] <madmerlyn> I selected 7d
as the number based on the fact that without bringing down a cupola
or hitchhikers 7d is the default USI hab for a kerbal with 1 seat
to sit in
L605[16:16:34] <JCB> I've considered a
little one person lander with the command seat..
L606[16:17:06] <JCB> They even considered
an emergancy return sked type thing back during the apollo
days
L607[16:17:13] <madmerlyn> I elected to go
with the USI AES cockpit because it only weighs slightly more than
the command chair and is a lot less insane :P
L608[16:18:13] <JCB> I've considered doing
a custom part, turning the domed nose cone part into a viewing
port.. probably wouldn't be enough room for command type
seating
L609[16:18:25] <madmerlyn> I might try to
design some Duna ATV-type vehicles similar to the ones from the LM
concept though
L610[16:18:31] <madmerlyn> they look like
beefed up earth ATVs heh
L611[16:18:53] <JCB> ah ya.. the LM atv
concept designs...
L612[16:19:25] <madmerlyn> I'm going to do
a LM-esque mission to Duna this career, I was going to do it in my
last career but decided to go with a fresh start
L613[16:24:01] <JCB> eh... lol ok...
quoted from easter eggs page: When the level 3 Astronaut Complex is
destroyed, a toilet is visible in the rubble.
L614[16:25:26] <GuestBanana> there's a
thread on the forum that I saw earlier, something about there might
have been some sort of TARDIS easter egg
L615[16:26:02] <madmerlyn> alright time to
launch the MSM1 mission, Munar Survey Mission 1, RADAR scans of the
Mun.
L616[16:26:34] <JCB> it may show up around
level 1 or 2 R&D center
L617[16:27:46] <JCB> sigh... I really miss
kerbalmaps now
L618[16:29:14] <GuestBanana> the site went
down?
L619[16:29:58] <JCB> ya about a year
ago... unless it moved?
L621[16:30:22] <GuestBanana> Well, I
haven't used it since a year ago...
L622[16:30:45] <JCB> well.. the website
kerbalmaps.com no longer works... just has a 'for sale' on the
domane
L623[16:31:01] <JCB> at least that link
helps for the time being
L624[16:31:25] <JCB> albiet.. sorta
slow..
L625[16:31:27] <GuestBanana> well, you're
welcome, again, i just searched up "kerbal maps" on
google
L626[16:31:47] <GuestBanana> oh, i don't
worry about the slowness, i know i have bad internet speed and
blame everything solely on that
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L628[16:32:09] <GuestBanana> i dripped
jelly on my shirt? Stupid internet speed.
L629[16:32:42] <GuestBanana> oh, it even
has slope-analyzing modes for elcano challenges or other rover
things
L630[16:34:11] <GuestBanana> but it only
seems to have biome maps for Kerbin and its mooms
L631[16:34:14] <GuestBanana> *moons
L632[16:34:52] <GuestBanana> that's okay,
the in-game maps are better for a lot of these things
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L634[16:36:48] <JCB> I'm just scoping out
some of the arctic circle anyways.. pilot +4 scientists +2
engineers.. joy ride if you will
L635[16:37:33] <JCB> I haven't used up
half my fuel yet... was seeing if a quickly put together crew plane
could reach the circle at least. if i ever decide to set down a
base over there
L636[16:39:47] <madmerlyn> maybe I'll
build a small base in the desert on the continent west of KSC
L637[16:39:56] <madmerlyn> that'll be my
Duna simulation :P
L639[16:40:27] *
UmbralRaptor is still confused at how more metals means more giant
planets. >_>
L640[16:41:53] <ve2dmn> 'metal' in the
astronomy sense?
L641[16:43:00] <UmbralRaptor> Yes. Though
in this specific case, an element that is metallic in pure
form.
L642[16:46:26] <JCB> ugh ok... so much for
that.. bump flipped plane over on ground, all lost
L643[16:47:09] ***
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L644[17:00:41] <madmerlyn> and now the Mun
is 95% low radar mapped
L645[17:01:24] <madmerlyn> with the orbits
lining up perfectly to hit it at 100% in ~3 more days
L646[17:02:18] <GuestBanana> yae
L648[17:04:39] <kmath> YouTube - I always
feel like SOMEBODY TOUCHA MY SPAGHET
L649[17:04:57] <GuestBanana> (hey, i'm not
doing that racist VRchat one)
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L655[17:48:51] <JCB> k... so..
umm...
L656[17:49:05] <JCB> wish was easier way
to get passengers out of aircraft...
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L666[18:27:29] <madmerlyn> sending another
one of my beautiful triangular probes all the way to Minmus
now
L667[18:29:36] <madmerlyn> had to stick an
oscar tank on the bottom between the thrusters to provide a little
more maneuvering fuel and to support the weight of some of the
extra scientific equipment I put on board since it's my first probe
to minmus
L668[18:30:30] <madmerlyn> also upgraded
this one to 1x6 solar panels since the fixed ones have such low
output
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L670[18:36:52] <ve2dmn> *sigh*
L671[18:36:59] <madmerlyn> wut
L672[18:37:03] <ve2dmn> I'll need to
report a bug with ART...
L673[18:37:16] <ve2dmn> I just hope that
RoverDude won't be mad I'm using CKAN
L674[18:38:00] <madmerlyn> I don't really
know what RD is up to these days, he's rearranged a ton of stuff on
github and his development patterns are all different now
L675[18:38:31] <madmerlyn> historically he
would keep the individual mods up to date and constellation would
be a convenience package he updated periodically
L677[18:39:22] <madmerlyn> now.. half of
his mods are under his name, half are under USI, and Constellation
is his beta testing mod with the others only getting compatibility
updates frequently
L678[18:39:42] <ve2dmn> This was an ART
asteroid and it reverted back to stock when I reloaded the
ship
L679[18:40:03] <madmerlyn> oh it shrank
:P
L680[18:40:25] <ve2dmn> it's still
considered 'attached'
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L682[18:47:44] <ve2dmn> I'll try making a
fresh copy first
L683[18:48:03] <ve2dmn> Anyway, it's not
like my old saves are of any use
L684[18:49:31] <madmerlyn> I'm still
baffled at how cheap it is to launch early career rockets when you
know what you're doing
L685[18:50:49] <madmerlyn> my average
launch is like 10k atm
L686[18:51:10] <madmerlyn> granted I've
been doing everything probes so far, only done 1 suborbital flight
with kerbals on it
L687[18:51:20] <madmerlyn> after testing
my Mk1 abort system
L688[18:51:54] <ve2dmn> ok. So. I've done
a backup of KSP. Time to delete everything and start from 0
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L690[18:59:43] <ve2dmn> It feels wrong to
just delete my entore folder of KSP...
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L692[19:16:26] <FltAdmVonSpiz> now it
turns out my ascent stage masses 60 tonnes
L693[19:16:33] <FltAdmVonSpiz> this sounds
a little excessive to get two kerbals into orbit
L694[19:19:15] <ve2dmn> nope. Still
broken. *sigh*
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L697[19:25:53] <ve2dmn> dammit.
Re-installing made me fail 5 contracts...
L698[19:26:05] <Fluburtur> I should order
some potassium nitrate
L699[19:26:34] <Fluburtur> like 2kg
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L704[19:31:06] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so I made
another ascent stage with a Mainsail
L705[19:31:12] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I think a
Mainsail is a little powerful as a landera scent engine
L706[19:39:30] <madmerlyn> mainsail is an
atmospheric lifting engine
L707[19:39:35] <madmerlyn> isp is pretty
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L715[20:29:13] <FltAdmVonSpiz> yes, its an
attempt to design a Laythe lander
L716[20:29:34] <FltAdmVonSpiz> although at
this point its probably good for virtually everywhere except maybe
Eve
L717[20:31:57] <FltAdmVonSpiz> although
trying to move 90 tonnes of spacecraft with one Nerv takes.... a
long time
L718[20:36:25] <ve2dmn> *sigh*
L719[20:36:38] <ve2dmn> I am now at 116
Extra HumbleBundle keys.
L720[20:37:05] <ve2dmn> I think I have a
problem...
L721[20:41:40] <ve2dmn> FltAdmVonSpiz: I
move all my 27000 tonnes asteroids with Nerv
L722[20:41:51] <ve2dmn> Otherwise I have
like 3m/s of dV
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