OCLogs: 2018-01-13.log

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L11[01:19:52] <oren> "Bring a class E asteroid into an orbit around Moho" yeah I think not, I really do

L12[01:20:37] <Althego> lol

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L29[03:07:47] <bees> oren: bonus point for real density patch installed

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L39[04:24:26] <Oneiros> hi

L40[04:24:30] <Mod9000> Hello, Oneiros

L41[04:24:36] <Oneiros> Hello, Mod9000

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L49[04:52:58] <Althego> there was nothing about 1.4 in the dev notes

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L55[05:17:40] <ConductingCat> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1530128773/lolistraw-by-loliware

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L64[05:52:23] <nick1> hello all

L65[05:52:29] <APlayer> Hi!

L66[05:52:36] <nick1> interesting question...

L67[05:52:46] <nick1> what year do all the KSP planets align?

L68[05:52:56] <nick1> they must align eventually...

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L70[05:55:05] <nick1> has anyone here been to moho?

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L72[05:55:13] <APlayer> I think some of them are in resonance, that is they might not align at all

L73[05:55:29] <APlayer> Also, I am sure many people have been to Moho, including me

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L75[05:55:37] <APlayer> Though mine was a rather fun story

L76[05:55:48] <APlayer> I "have been" to Moho

L77[05:56:49] <nick1> ok great. it took me around 3700ms d/v to get a capture from encounter with a reasonably efficient phase angle, i saw on YT someone get one with 2900ms, no idea how to achieve this?

L78[05:57:39] <nick1> idk if the devs changed things with updates maybe it was a couple year old the video, but i get captures in the high 3000's.

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L80[06:01:51] <APlayer> It highly depends on what exact launch window you use for your transfer, as Moho's orbit is highly elliptic

L81[06:02:13] <APlayer> Consider using Alexmun's Launch Window planner, which you may find very easily by Googling

L82[06:02:30] <Fluburtur> apparently, styrofoam/acetone mixture works for waterproofing crap

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L90[06:17:42] <nick1> thanks Aplayer

L91[06:18:08] <nick1> i currently use the alarm one to set alarms for transfer windows

L92[06:19:53] <nick1> also, not going to do this but is it possible to make up a new kerbal in the persistent file by simply writing a new kerbal in the roster like how all the others are written?

L93[06:22:19] <Fluburtur> you can open the cheap menu and there is a thing to create kerbs

L94[06:22:32] <Fluburtur> cheat*

L95[06:31:22] <nick1> ok thanks, wasn't going to but just curious

L96[06:31:58] <nick1> does anyone know how to make a completed contract active again in persistent file?

L97[06:32:02] <nick1> or another way?

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L99[06:32:04] <Althego> hehe the cheap menu

L100[06:32:10] <nick1> :P

L101[06:32:35] <Althego> it is actually free. think of it if opening menus had some cost

L102[06:32:42] <APlayer> I think completed contracts are deleted

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L104[06:33:17] <Flub_ugh> uh internet

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L106[06:34:46] <RDNt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE0aCaSeuII

L107[06:34:46] <kmath> YouTube - KSPSBC: A Steel Battalion controller mod for Kerbal Space Program

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L110[06:40:13] <Flub_ugh> https://78.media.tumblr.com/5592cab36f9b528d8879001afc5a67da/tumblr_p2g8v5Y7JV1qh66wqo9_540.jpg

L111[06:40:17] <Flub_ugh> I want at least as many

L112[06:42:49] <Flub_ugh> https://78.media.tumblr.com/b8d0d656c8bf658629d788d57de095cd/tumblr_inline_oftwffX3YQ1t6hq0w_540.jpg

L113[06:42:59] <Althego> porg dog?

L114[06:43:07] <Flub_ugh> ball corgi

L115[06:43:10] <Flub_ugh> but yeah I guess

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L132[07:27:07] <Oneiros> hi replicants

L133[07:27:32] <Oneiros> i swear i came across a mod that alllowed editing of the recovery rates/amounts, but now i've lost it.

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L141[07:34:34] <Oneiros> not to worry Mod9000, i think the factor can be edited in sarbian's barn kit

L142[07:35:11] <Althego> bots dont worry

L143[07:35:35] <Oneiros> how do you know

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L145[07:38:26] * Oneiros tickles Mod9000

L146[07:38:33] * Oneiros tickles Mod9000

L147[07:42:52] <Oneiros> at least someone pays attention to him occasionally

L148[07:46:28] <Flub2> I finally made the blade of the letter opener that I had to make for someone

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L152[08:00:55] <Althego> are there letter in this day?

L153[08:01:18] <Flub_ugh> idk

L154[08:02:06] <Flub_ugh> this thing isn't as sharp as I want

L155[08:02:13] <Flub_ugh> but probably too sharp for what it is

L156[08:02:26] <Flub_ugh> and extra pointy, alredy cut myself with it

L157[08:06:25] <Flub_ugh> also I cut the blade out of a circular saw blade so this steel is super hard

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L159[08:08:36] <Oneiros> still no date on the falcon heavy

L160[08:11:43] <Althego> no place for a restaurant table next to the tesla car :)

L161[08:12:08] <Flub_ugh> https://78.media.tumblr.com/119381779a3b2fba4804a70860acf855/tumblr_p0ag1kByNo1ue7y2fo1_400.gif

L162[08:13:02] <Oneiros> nice counterattack

L163[08:13:53] <Oneiros> if only the allies could have done that in 1939

L164[08:14:55] <Flub_ugh> well some dudes got on a postla aircraft and threw 50kg bombs on berlin but that was to say "screw you"

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L166[08:15:26] <Oneiros> lol wat

L167[08:15:50] <Flub_ugh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farman_F.220

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L169[08:17:54] <Oneiros> nice link, ty

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L172[08:18:13] <Oneiros> <3 aviation history, especially from that era

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L174[08:20:24] <APlayer> So, I've been looking at a real bright, strobing LED for a while and now I have a headache

L175[08:20:39] <APlayer> Note to self: Don't look at bright, strobing LEDs for whiles

L176[08:22:05] <UmbralRaptor> Generally good advice.

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L178[08:23:03] <JCB> hmm... rovers'n'rockets...

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L182[08:30:05] <APlayer> (This was a PWM test, but apparently Arduinos don't support delays < 1 ms, so it sometimes went down to 30 or 20 Hz, and Wikipedia says 20 Hz is a usual boundary to cause dizziness in people

L183[08:30:07] <APlayer> )

L184[08:30:16] <APlayer> Anyway, lesson learned

L185[08:30:42] <madmerlyn> wut

L186[08:31:47] <APlayer> Yes

L187[08:32:45] <madmerlyn> k

L188[08:35:00] <APlayer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_vertigo

L189[08:44:43] <JCB> ugh.. new years came with massive headache for me.

L190[08:45:08] <Althego> 1 ms would sound reasonable for a pc. an arduino like device should be able to do more

L191[08:45:13] <Althego> or rather less

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L194[08:48:36] <APlayer> Also, ever tried to find a mod that causes problems using the "delete half" method and deleted the Squad folder?

L195[08:49:50] <Oneiros> ive never attempted this method. it sounds dubious

L196[08:51:12] <madmerlyn> I'm dubbing my first 1.25m sized sounding rocket (which theoretically should go to the Mun) SR3-MX1 'Munshot'

L197[08:51:32] <madmerlyn> 3rd gen Sounder, Moon eXplorer 1

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L199[08:52:57] <JCB> ... finally decided to get latest ksp update... ouch, game now $40 for new buyers

L200[08:53:12] <madmerlyn> you didn't own it before?

L201[08:54:18] <JCB> I've had it since 0.19

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L204[08:55:48] <JCB> I caught someone saying they'd have bought it but price was too much for them.. when I paid, it was good deal from Squad themselves. I figured the price went up, didn't know how much though

L205[08:56:17] <madmerlyn> it's always been $40 AFAIK but is frequently on sale

L206[08:56:33] <madmerlyn> well post 1.0

L207[08:57:02] <JCB> I bought it back in 2014.. $27

L208[09:01:04] <ve2dmn> https://steamdb.info/app/220200/

L209[09:02:39] <JCB> ya but, didn't buy on steam.. got it from Squad.

L210[09:02:44] <JCB> interesting though

L211[09:03:54] <Oneiros> 40 bucks? what a joke.

L212[09:04:36] <Oneiros> at least some suckers are still playing it.

L213[09:04:40] <ve2dmn> Yeah 40USD. Welcome to May 2015

L214[09:05:13] <Oneiros> yeah, and they have made a few additions since then

L215[09:05:29] <Oneiros> more than most greenlit indies would do

L216[09:06:08] <ve2dmn> I think I pay a good price fro 1600h of gaming

L217[09:06:26] <Oneiros> ok ya

L218[09:06:49] <ve2dmn> Although, TF2 is probably is better ratio since it's 0

L219[09:07:02] <Oneiros> i struggle to play much without getting annoyed at the underdevelopment and wanting to mod it

L220[09:07:18] <Phantom_Hoover> is kw rocketry still usable?

L221[09:07:20] <TheKosmonaut> Frequently goes on sale on steam too

L222[09:07:20] <Oneiros> yeah, ive put thousands of hr into dota2

L223[09:07:26] <Oneiros> also free

L224[09:07:42] <TheKosmonaut> Kerbal hats!

L225[09:07:51] <Oneiros> and well developed

L226[09:07:53] * TheKosmonaut sells for 1,500 on the steam mkt

L227[09:07:57] <ve2dmn> :D

L228[09:08:05] <Oneiros> pay less and get a better game

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L230[09:08:15] <TheKosmonaut> Apples and oranges

L231[09:08:16] <Oneiros> idk why i even bother with this

L232[09:08:21] <ve2dmn> or, I should say: {:D

L233[09:08:34] <Oneiros> wish i could just move on with my life lol

L234[09:08:43] <Phantom_Hoover> i paid... $15 for ksp, in 2012

L235[09:08:55] <Oneiros> nice

L236[09:09:07] <TheKosmonaut> Instead you get antsy on an IRC channel. This is the wise choice.

L237[09:09:23] <Phantom_Hoover> yeah honestly if you're sick of a game go do something else

L238[09:09:27] <TheKosmonaut> It's the choice 90% of us make anyway

L239[09:09:33] <Oneiros> im not antsy lol. criticism is fair

L240[09:09:38] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: it's better then me. I just rant about the weather and Data formats

L241[09:09:45] <Phantom_Hoover> don't hang around that game's community moaning about how sick of it you are

L242[09:09:49] <TheKosmonaut> I go on and off on it TBH. Sometimes I just go for months without playing

L243[09:10:03] <TheKosmonaut> But I do love RO and all that sweet misery

L244[09:10:17] <JCB> I didn't mind paying what I did... I just don't have steam.. no idea how many hours played, though since its basically the only 'major' program on my system currently c_C;

L245[09:10:20] <Oneiros> ya. i didnt play for a couple of years.

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L248[09:11:10] <ve2dmn> btw, KSP is 39,99€

L249[09:11:21] <Oneiros> mods are what makes this game

L250[09:11:21] <TheKosmonaut> I've made a few friends because of KSP, so I am quite satisfied. But I got it back at .15 or .16

L251[09:11:26] <ve2dmn> that is... a bit higher then $40

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L253[09:11:33] <TheKosmonaut> Iirc it was a bit cheaper then

L254[09:11:40] <Phantom_Hoover> re development progress i feel like ksp kinda ended up in a minecraft place

L255[09:12:02] <ve2dmn> Oneiros: mods are what make me play most games on the PC and not on a Console

L256[09:12:08] <Phantom_Hoover> where they fleshed out all the original vision and then just kinda wandered around trying to add random stuff

L257[09:12:25] <Oneiros> yeah. do u think this console release will have much appeal?

L258[09:12:30] <ve2dmn> I cannot play Elder Scroll games on a Console. I feel like it's always missing something

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L260[09:12:35] <Oneiros> im not sure. ksp isnt much of a console game.

L261[09:12:53] <TheKosmonaut> I'd totally get it on switch

L262[09:12:58] <ve2dmn> ^

L263[09:12:59] <TheKosmonaut> Not on XB/PS4 Though

L264[09:13:00] <Oneiros> ya. modded skyrim was so good.

L265[09:13:22] <ve2dmn> I would have wanted KSP on WiiU with touch controls on a the pad

L266[09:13:23] <TheKosmonaut> And there's precedent for moddable console games now, at least with Bethesda games

L267[09:13:32] <TheKosmonaut> But I don't think that'll work for KSP

L268[09:13:45] <JCB> consol.... flip side, not having to lug a whole pc system around when visit a friend's

L269[09:14:05] <TheKosmonaut> >Friends

L270[09:14:16] <TheKosmonaut> Who needs that? You can download friends now.

L271[09:14:24] <ve2dmn> That implies you have friends

L272[09:14:27] <Oneiros> haha

L273[09:14:29] <JCB> no.. I'm not talking about the little people in your phone

L274[09:14:46] <JCB> you know... people used to go visiting other people.. actual physical people :P

L275[09:14:48] <ve2dmn> There's an app for that

L276[09:14:52] <Oneiros> Mod9000 is my friend

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L278[09:15:13] <TheKosmonaut> JCB: that's a myth. Like when my grandpa said he used to play stickball

L279[09:15:14] <Oneiros> all the movies predicted it

L280[09:15:17] <JCB> ugh... we'll evolve to be glued to the chair, and the internet... way we currently go at it

L281[09:15:28] <TheKosmonaut> Ridiculous. Like you would have a physical ball.

L282[09:15:35] <TheKosmonaut> Yeah right Gramps

L283[09:15:42] <Oneiros> lol

L284[09:16:08] <TheKosmonaut> I've been glued to BOTW for the last couple of weeks. It's supposed good

L285[09:16:09] <Oneiros> a bit of exercise is healthy

L286[09:16:21] <ve2dmn> well... I'm stuck inside my house. Might as well test my new Rendez-vous script

L287[09:16:31] <JCB> ... some day we'll end up like those people in the movie Wal'

L288[09:16:32] <TheKosmonaut> Oneiros: VR and a treadmill. Check mate.

L289[09:16:35] <JCB> wal'e.. or whatever

L290[09:16:41] <TheKosmonaut> Wall-E

L291[09:16:47] <Oneiros> yes. do you have that?

L292[09:16:52] <TheKosmonaut> 10 years ago now.

L293[09:16:59] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: did you finish the main quest?

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L295[09:17:08] <TheKosmonaut> Oneiros: nah. Japanese homes don't lend themselves to VR

L296[09:17:22] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: https://www.fangamer.com/products/banquet-of-the-wild

L297[09:17:24] <JCB> VR centers...

L298[09:17:33] <Oneiros> i had a gaming rig all ready for the rift, but the release price was over my budget

L299[09:17:38] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: I defeated 3 DBs and am going around a weird maze in some tundra

L300[09:17:39] <JCB> like who's got the money to build a bedroom size space to a VR unit these days?

L301[09:17:48] <Oneiros> dk2 was fun to play with tho

L302[09:18:09] <Oneiros> oh true, not much space there

L303[09:18:26] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: There's a small price when you find all shrines btw

L304[09:18:44] <JCB> my area... seems like you gotta pay $5mil for just a closet space

L305[09:19:09] <TheKosmonaut> JCB: if I just get rid of my kids... Then I can truly have a Vr space

L306[09:19:25] <TheKosmonaut> In Tokyo though we have a VR arcade now. I dunno if I wanna go see that.

L307[09:19:31] <ve2dmn> I own a 1000sq feet Condo

L308[09:19:41] <JCB> TheKosmonaut: at least you have kids..

L309[09:19:42] <Oneiros> everyone will have VR soon

L310[09:19:43] <TheKosmonaut> It's got that Mario kart VR that's always at the front page of Reddit/imgur

L311[09:20:03] <ve2dmn> I have an empty bedroom I could turn into VR Room

L312[09:20:39] <TheKosmonaut> Honestly it's overpriced nonsense for the time being. Of all the VR games I've seen maybe 2 of them look interesting

L313[09:20:45] <JCB> friend wants to try out the model train route... I think its kind of cool

L314[09:21:05] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: I really liked SpacePirate Training Simulator

L315[09:21:09] <TheKosmonaut> Though FO:VR looks fun

L316[09:21:15] <JCB> VR would be neat.... though I hear people get headaches from it after a bit

L317[09:21:29] <Oneiros> depends on the person JCB

L318[09:21:34] <Oneiros> and also what you're doing in it

L319[09:21:53] <Oneiros> i used to like watching the NBA in it, could do that for hours

L320[09:21:55] <JCB> phone+goggle holder thing

L321[09:22:17] <Oneiros> also depends i guess on which model u use, yeah

L322[09:22:18] <JCB> I woudl love flight sim'ing with VR

L323[09:23:27] <ve2dmn> I tried the HTC vive

L324[09:24:31] <JCB> parents got me a phone... a bit of a fail... first sim card holder, a pin was broken. Then phone gets stuck in boot loop. I just pulled battery and gave up on it

L325[09:24:34] <Oneiros> u like it?

L326[09:24:39] <Oneiros> i havent tried it

L327[09:24:53] <ve2dmn> It's cool.

L328[09:25:04] <JCB> they figured, buy me a smart phone for camera drone... eh.. wifi for drones suck

L329[09:25:07] <ve2dmn> But really, the games are what makes or breaks VR

L330[09:25:11] <Oneiros> i have two gear VR's and used to have the oculus developer headset (dk2)

L331[09:25:21] <Oneiros> ya

L332[09:25:35] <ve2dmn> The headset are similar enough

L333[09:25:39] <Oneiros> games will take time. there are a lot of teething problems to overcome

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L335[09:25:58] <JCB> ... ksp on the phone.. umm..

L336[09:26:03] <Oneiros> U cant just run around in an FPS game in VR. it makes most people sick.

L337[09:26:20] <JCB> eh well.. maybe, sorta already come along way so far

L338[09:26:55] <Oneiros> the best use right now is for adult entertainment

L339[09:27:16] <Oneiros> huge improvements there

L340[09:27:16] <JCB> I'd rather keep my phone... a phone with texting

L341[09:27:47] <JCB> everyone who I seen so far in my line of work with big screen phones, all screens busted

L342[09:28:47] <ve2dmn> JCB: I've never cracked a screen, yet I see sooo many cracked iPhones on the subway

L343[09:29:00] <ve2dmn> I think people don't realise the actual value of the item

L344[09:29:40] <JCB> I just stick to a flip phone... smaller, I can place into a pouch to protect it.

L345[09:30:05] <ve2dmn> Flip... phone? How can you LIVE???

L346[09:30:15] <JCB> my room mate, works construction, 5 phones in 4-5 minutes because of busted screens, one time someone dropped a mallet on it while it was in his bag..

L347[09:30:28] <JCB> ... minutes.. I meant months. ugh

L348[09:30:29] <TheKosmonaut> I think my brother is trying to tell me something here. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cKHfeYbb/IMG_0840.PNG

L349[09:30:33] <JCB> ok I got up way too early, sorry

L350[09:30:44] <JCB> eh.. I live because I barely use phone anyways

L351[09:30:51] <TheKosmonaut> JCB: screens only just because of irresponsible owners

L352[09:31:03] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: tell him that Apple Servers too, can paste it :D

L353[09:31:15] <TheKosmonaut> 10++ years owning glass screened phones and never had a crack

L354[09:31:50] <JCB> mind you... phones costing nearly $2k... theft can be a bit of a problem

L355[09:32:11] <TheKosmonaut> What phones are you buying

L356[09:32:25] <JCB> not me... just what they saying of the new iphone.. or whatever.

L357[09:32:35] <JCB> mind you.. living in Canada, it may as well be twice the cost

L358[09:32:45] <TheKosmonaut> That's because your dollars suck

L359[09:32:57] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: don't remind me

L360[09:33:21] <Phantom_Hoover> why are so many ksp mods hosted on github

L361[09:33:28] <ve2dmn> We are an export economy. We have every insentive to keep the dollar lower

L362[09:33:33] <TheKosmonaut> Phantom_Hoover: easier

L363[09:33:39] <TheKosmonaut> And more consistent hosting

L364[09:33:41] <ve2dmn> Phantom_Hoover: because you need to have the code available

L365[09:33:44] <Phantom_Hoover> they contain giant textures, right? git's notoriously awful at handling files like that

L366[09:33:47] <JCB> lower dollar translates to more tourisim.... so on.

L367[09:34:18] <JCB> when our dollar went past American dollar.... it was interesting times, but a lot of headaches for certain indsustries here

L368[09:34:20] <TheKosmonaut> Phantom_Hoover: what has giant textures?

L369[09:34:28] <ve2dmn> JCB: yeah. It's good for the our type of economy, but bad for citizens :/

L370[09:34:28] <Phantom_Hoover> for part models

L371[09:34:30] <TheKosmonaut> Efficient modders shouldn't have giant textures

L372[09:34:48] <TheKosmonaut> The largest textures are probably the EVE / RVE mods

L373[09:35:24] <Phantom_Hoover> 'large' is a relative term, git is designed to handle source code

L374[09:35:26] <ve2dmn> Phantom_Hoover: KSP require your mods to have the code available (as per the licence). Which is why github is a natural choice

L375[09:35:41] <TheKosmonaut> Phantom_Hoover: never had problems with them

L376[09:35:52] <Phantom_Hoover> it's not a natural choice for storing texture data which is the bulk of most mods' size afaik

L377[09:36:43] <ve2dmn> Phantom_Hoover: That's a minor issue

L378[09:37:12] <Phantom_Hoover> ok apparently github only starts warning above 50MB individual file sizes

L379[09:37:21] <Phantom_Hoover> so textures are probably small enough to not cause major problems

L380[09:37:58] <TheKosmonaut> Ksp texture resolution tends to be rather small as well

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L382[09:38:22] <ve2dmn> Poor Tourists. They don't rememeber but they have doone this launch about 30 times now

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L384[09:38:25] <TheKosmonaut> And the ones that are very large are few and far between

L385[09:38:51] <TheKosmonaut> I can think of a larger one... I think there's someone that had an F-1 Mod

L386[09:39:04] <ve2dmn> Yeah. The main headache is Code and issue tracking, which github is good for

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L388[09:41:21] <ve2dmn> unrelated, but I jsut opened my curtains to let the sun in...

L389[09:41:36] <ve2dmn> and got greated by a snowbank the size of a small car

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L391[09:42:29] <JCB> careful... snow can reflect more light than usual into your window :)

L392[09:42:47] <ve2dmn> I'm not a vampire. I should be fine

L393[09:43:13] <ve2dmn> But yeah, I went to bed yesterday and the ground was visible in most places

L394[09:44:01] <JCB> my area getting a lot of rain.. yet, 40km over, people gotten snow, freezing rain...

L395[09:44:02] <Oneiros> i gave up on rss because i couldn't d/l the textures off git

L396[09:44:02] <TheKosmonaut> Most snow I've ever seen was in a desert haha

L397[09:44:25] <ve2dmn> JCB: https://weather.gc.ca/warnings/index_e.html

L398[09:44:34] <TheKosmonaut> Tokyo did get heavy snow one time

L399[09:44:35] <Oneiros> 3 attempts all stalled around 90%

L400[09:44:49] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: define 'heavy'

L401[09:45:14] <JCB> ya I know.. jet stream staying low to the south because pressure ridge refusing to move much

L402[09:46:06] <ve2dmn> JCB: but it's pretty crazy. We had 7C yesterday and are expecting -20C tomorrow

L403[09:46:58] <ve2dmn> The average (day) Maxium is -6C for a day like this, but it's all over the map

L404[09:47:01] <JCB> 1c here.. suppose to go to 10c in a few days.. rain all week

L405[09:47:11] <ve2dmn> ...Vancouver.

L406[09:47:17] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: lol Tokyo gets an avg of 11cm a year so one time I believe we had more than that in a single day.

L407[09:47:28] <TheKosmonaut> Iirc it was like 30cm

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L409[09:48:10] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: that's very unsual for Tokyo. Do they have the clearing equipement to clear up the streets?

L410[09:48:34] <JCB> yet.. onlyl half way into the valley, you get freezing temps, snow..

L411[09:48:42] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: they did. It wasn't so hard to get stuff from neighboring areas. But that night was pretty bad.

L412[09:49:19] <ve2dmn> JCB: Up the mountains is heavier in snow then I could ever get

L413[09:49:25] <TheKosmonaut> I had to walk a few km home in snow up to my shins. I've never really experienced that before so it was exhausting. More than I thought.

L414[09:49:36] <ve2dmn> JCB: you have 2 extremes in under 100km

L415[09:49:44] <JCB> wish we had more snow here.. I remember some good dumps when I was a kid

L416[09:49:46] <TheKosmonaut> Even worse I had to drag my bike with me

L417[09:50:11] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: That's my usuall experience

L418[09:50:31] <TheKosmonaut> I don't think it's gonna snow this year though

L419[09:51:07] <ve2dmn> It's usually the first thing people notice about their first winter here, aside from the cold

L420[09:51:20] <JCB> my motivation sorta junk right now. There was a few ksp videos I wanted to work on...

L421[09:52:49] <ve2dmn> But yeah. I'm snowed in today. We are expecting 25-35cm of snow

L422[09:53:39] <TheKosmonaut> We did have some crazy hail last year

L423[09:53:57] <ve2dmn> Although, it's mostly by choice. The sidewalks are clear enough to walk on

L424[09:54:00] <TheKosmonaut> Poor guy in my neighborhood just got a new car the day before too

L425[09:54:24] <TheKosmonaut> So he came screaming outside and tried putting cardboard all over his car

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L427[09:54:45] <TheKosmonaut> Right then, a bunch of softball sized chunks slammed right into the bonnet

L428[09:54:46] <ve2dmn> One of my friends is currently in Tokyo... she's deperate for 'Hot Ginger' from the vending machines

L429[09:54:57] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: what

L430[09:55:17] <ve2dmn> Hot tea with ginger

L431[09:55:20] <TheKosmonaut> Oh

L432[09:56:11] <ve2dmn> I wish vending machines dipensed Hot beverage outside of Japan

L433[09:57:26] <ve2dmn> With freezing weather, it would be very cool to get a hot cocoa

L434[09:59:19] <ve2dmn> ok, it was worse then I taught... we got 10C yesterday and we'll get -23C tonight...

L435[09:59:21] <ve2dmn> https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/qc-147_metric_e.html

L436[09:59:23] <JCB> tea.... coffee.. dang you. Now I got cravings

L437[10:00:01] <JCB> nelson over here here was reporting lows of -33c a few days back

L438[10:00:22] <ve2dmn> JCB: did you know that there are only 2 ways to name 'tea' across all languages? One is a variation on Cha,Chay,Chai and the other on Thee, Tee, Tea, Thé

L439[10:01:04] <JCB> lol... my surprise when trying to translate some words in other languages when trying to come up with naming ideas for my ksp creations..

L440[10:01:11] <ve2dmn> ...Which is why 'Chai Tea' sounds stupid to me...

L441[10:01:34] <JCB> some of the words I tried in google translate, a lot of them didn't change much

L442[10:01:45] <ve2dmn> Try Pineapple

L443[10:02:24] <ve2dmn> http://i.imgur.com/7e2pzUK.png

L444[10:03:01] <JCB> I was trying to use stuff that wuld seem more reasonable... stuff like falcon,

L445[10:03:22] <JCB> explorer... pointman... ugh ok now I don't remember what I used.

L446[10:03:37] <JCB> Pali....

L447[10:07:48] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: I hate when people say Kombucha Tea

L448[10:08:55] <ve2dmn> I hate the name cul-de-sac

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L450[10:09:39] <TheKosmonaut> What a terrible thing to say about APlayer , ve2dmn. Especially when he's not here!

L451[10:09:50] <APlayer> Did I miss something?

L452[10:09:57] <TheKosmonaut> Oh Hai

L453[10:10:06] <ve2dmn> I can't give the proper translation because it's border-line language for this place

L454[10:10:33] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: ve2dmn was just saying what he really thinks about you.

L455[10:10:47] <TheKosmonaut> He said that you use Mechjeb autopilot for everything

L456[10:11:13] <APlayer> Funny thing. Not sure what part of this message was the more interesting to me, the one that uncovered a HexChat bug or the one that intrigues me

L457[10:11:32] <APlayer> Also, I don't use MJ, I write kOS scripts

L458[10:12:19] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: ladida... I just smash at my keyboard repeatedly until something is in orbit

L459[10:12:46] <APlayer> That's generally accepted to be the proper kerbal way

L460[10:13:00] <ve2dmn> An infinite number of Monkey can get anything in orbit

L461[10:13:09] <APlayer> LOL

L462[10:13:27] <Azander> ve2dmn: KSP proved that

L463[10:13:31] <JCB> oh feh.. Pali, hungarian for pigeon.. ugh wish I noted these things

L464[10:13:54] <ve2dmn> JCB: what's the Hungarian for Dove?

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L466[10:14:17] <JCB> galamb?

L467[10:14:36] <APlayer> So an infinite number of Monkey would type until they create a universal simulator program and set the universal constants so that the universe evolves to contain all of Shakespeare's texts?

L468[10:14:37] <ve2dmn> ok, so it's a different word, and not just White pidgeon

L469[10:15:09] <APlayer> Meanwhile, /me frantically checks the logs to find out what ve2dmn said about me

L470[10:16:06] <ve2dmn> I stand by what I said

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L472[10:16:44] <APlayer> And that was what?

L473[10:16:56] <APlayer> (Yes, I am curious :P)

L474[10:16:57] <ve2dmn> I quote: ' '

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L476[10:17:32] <Draconiator> I quote, therefore I am.

L477[10:18:03] <APlayer> Meanwhile, at Apple HQ: iQuote is being invented

L478[10:18:10] <ve2dmn> That's Descartes, not Shakespear

L479[10:19:04] <ve2dmn> APlayer: but seriously, I was talking about the fact that I hate the name 'Cul-de-sac'

L480[10:19:25] * APlayer is not even sure what that is

L481[10:20:34] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: In the US, it's a dead end in a neighborhood. But instead of just a flat end, it goes around in a circle.

L482[10:21:55] <APlayer> Humm, never heard of such a name

L483[10:22:10] <ve2dmn> It's a very US thing

L484[10:22:26] <TheKosmonaut> Aplayer: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZF5m9zlQ/Screen%20Shot%202018-01-14%20at%201.22.08%20AM.png

L485[10:22:32] <TheKosmonaut> That's an example of one

L486[10:22:49] <TheKosmonaut> (I just picked a random neighborhood from G.Maps)

L487[10:22:56] <TheKosmonaut> They dont take long to find.

L488[10:23:03] <ve2dmn> The name come from the french cul-de-sac meaning 'dead end'

L489[10:23:07] <JCB> I grew up in a circle section built on the corner of a street

L490[10:23:19] <APlayer> You now revealed where you live and therefore your identity

L491[10:23:29] <Draconiator> Sometimes they have an island in the middle.

L492[10:24:21] <JCB> I miss growing up over there.. we know almost everyone in the stretch of road we lived on

L493[10:24:27] <ve2dmn> The reason it means dead-end is that it's an expression...

L494[10:24:43] <ve2dmn> The correct translation would be Butt-of-Bag

L495[10:24:45] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: I could probably show you my house and street on google maps and you'd never actually find me in Tokyo

L496[10:24:50] <TheKosmonaut> the city designed to confuse you

L497[10:24:58] <TheKosmonaut> Even mail carriers get lost

L498[10:25:16] <ve2dmn> TheKosmonaut: the city isn't designed. It grew organically to take all the space.

L499[10:25:38] <ve2dmn> And the addresses are confusing as %$?#&?

L500[10:25:59] <APlayer> "The city that grew organically to gradually absorb everything and everyone into its vast, inescapable network of confusing streets"

L501[10:26:05] <APlayer> Let's settle on that

L502[10:26:18] <JCB> eh.. planned grid system.. vs the town just kept growing.. roads no particular direction..

L503[10:27:07] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/a4218480726d20dc00cf06884bb3d64f.jpg - There's the type of dead-end circle we usually get around here.

L504[10:27:18] <ve2dmn> I went to a small town far north near Labrador... they were proud to tell me that the street were in alpahbetical order

L505[10:27:36] <ve2dmn> It ended at P

L506[10:28:02] <ve2dmn> (Yet there were 4 Tim Hortons)

L507[10:28:32] <APlayer> Well, at least that's a place where you can turn around easily

L508[10:29:14] <APlayer> Dead ends in Europe usually are just plain, good old dead ends

L509[10:29:24] <JCB> Town just south of the border from us, name their streets in alphabitcal order, while on Canada side, we numbered ours..

L510[10:30:04] <APlayer> Also, never saw numbered or similar roads in Europe, that seems to be a very US thing too

L511[10:30:20] <APlayer> streets*

L512[10:30:44] <ve2dmn> We have a mix of everything... because Montreal is a mix

L513[10:30:59] <APlayer> (When roads, streets, avenues and similar translate to a single word in your native languages, things may get mixed up :P)

L514[10:31:18] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: The invader thing is a running joke

L515[10:31:20] <JCB> speaking of motreal... people still get arrested for speaking english there?

L516[10:31:36] <ve2dmn> JCB: what? No

L517[10:32:29] <ve2dmn> Is that really the idea that gets out?

L518[10:33:16] <ve2dmn> *sigh*

L519[10:33:23] <JCB> I thought it was a thing decades ago.. Quebec trying to find ways to seperate from Canada

L520[10:34:01] <ve2dmn> There is a law that says that signs are to be in French

L521[10:34:05] <JCB> though.. just checking now, quick search showed a few articles on people over there not required to speak english.. judge says, who doesn't understand french?

L522[10:34:06] <ve2dmn> But that's about it

L523[10:34:51] <JCB> area over here, a lot of asian stores doing mandrin only signs..

L524[10:35:05] <ve2dmn> You have to understand that prior to 1940-1950, the situation was reversed

L525[10:35:26] <JCB> some sort of conflict... people saying they should also have english.

L526[10:35:29] <APlayer> If you go to Spanish holiday places, you'll see like tons of Russian signs

L527[10:35:50] <APlayer> And on every street, someone will be speaking in Russian

L528[10:36:16] <ve2dmn> Basically all the signage was in English, yet over 90% of the population was French. The small english majority had all the money

L529[10:36:29] <ve2dmn> You could not read the sign? "Not my problem"

L530[10:37:18] <JCB> was some talk about wanting to make signs here english and french.. official languages here in Canada..

L531[10:37:32] <JCB> yet.. large section of the asian community feel they are the exception.

L532[10:37:48] <ve2dmn> If you look at a picture of Montreal from the 1940s-1950s you would not know that it was a french-speaking city.

L533[10:38:10] <JCB> there is even an underground ap for getting taxis... don't speak asian, we reject you

L534[10:38:13] <ve2dmn> So yeah. Abuse in the past lead to the laws now in the book

L535[10:39:22] <Draconiator> hmm.

L536[10:39:22] <APlayer> So Canada is now the place where you do not speak English while drinking maple syrup? :P

L537[10:39:45] <ve2dmn> JCB: You probably never heard of 'speak white' then?

L538[10:39:58] <ve2dmn> APlayer: it's... complicated

L539[10:40:07] <Draconiator> Where I live they speak both English and a dialect of French.

L540[10:40:12] <ve2dmn> I try to stick to the cultural things and not delves into politics

L541[10:40:46] <APlayer> You're doing well at that. ;-)

L542[10:40:51] <JCB> there is a growing concern.. a city in our area is saying they don't want anyone elses buisness but their own commuity's

L543[10:42:10] <Draconiator> Bleh.

L544[10:42:16] <APlayer> Anyway, I am off, making something for dinner. See you!

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L546[10:42:25] <Draconiator> stuff like that makes me sick.

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L548[10:44:36] <ve2dmn> JCB: let me put it this way. We were oppresed for a few generation and now we are the opressors.

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L550[10:44:44] <JCB> suppose to be multi cultrual here...

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L552[10:44:56] <JCB> but anyways.. enough negatives for the morning....

L553[10:45:05] <JCB> having hard enough time trying to stay motivated these days

L554[10:45:59] <Fluburtur> I made a blade out of a circular saw blade and it's quite good steel

L555[10:46:12] <Fluburtur> very hard so sanding that is hell and good carbon level

L556[10:46:20] <Fluburtur> for a letter opener that might be too overkill

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L560[10:50:34] <JCB> circular saw as letter opener... that might be a bit overkill right there

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L562[10:51:28] <APlayer> Back!

L563[10:58:04] <UmbralRaptor> forward!

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L574[11:19:42] <ve2dmn> dammit... 'Tried to Push NaN on the Stack'

L575[11:20:24] <Althego> hehe

L576[11:20:36] <Althego> better than infecting everything with nans

L577[11:21:44] <ve2dmn> I'm trying to find the Semi-Major Axis with: a = (4Pi/u -P^2) ^(1/3)

L578[11:22:37] <ve2dmn> It's probably not liking the Cuberoot

L579[11:23:03] <Althego> how so?

L580[11:23:28] <ve2dmn> because the rest I caculated previously without issues

L581[11:23:28] <Althego> has 3 complex solutions :9

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L584[11:24:07] <Ruedii> The NaN cat? :D

L585[11:24:38] <Althego> all cats are nans

L586[11:26:20] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so now I am trying to fit a few hundred weak relay antennas on a rocket

L587[11:26:23] <FltAdmVonSpiz> it looks a little silly

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L589[11:26:27] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but I want to go to Jool unmanned

L590[11:26:27] <ve2dmn> http://www.nyan.cat/elevator

L591[11:46:38] <FltAdmVonSpiz> turns out attempting to mass HG-5s to get to Jool is impractical

L592[11:46:44] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I have over 500 and can only just reach Moho when its near

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L594[11:48:01] <madmerlyn> lost an antenna but my first probe to make orbit looks like it's going to return to kerbin safely

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L596[11:51:38] <madmerlyn> still haven't stuck a kerbal in a pod yet :D

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L599[11:52:25] <Althego> when the kerbal leaves the pod, that is the podcasting

L600[11:52:40] <FltAdmVonSpiz> also - I see some references to being able to use a kerbal to control a remote probe that is nearby

L601[11:52:44] <FltAdmVonSpiz> can anyone explain how that works?

L602[11:52:50] <ve2dmn> yep. kOS didn't like Cuberoot

L603[11:52:59] <madmerlyn> so FltAdmVonSpiz

L604[11:53:02] <madmerlyn> if you're on Duna

L605[11:53:22] <madmerlyn> and for whatever reason you didn't bring a relay with enough signal to reach back to KSC

L606[11:53:34] <madmerlyn> BUT you have a Pilot in a command pod with an antenna

L607[11:53:43] <madmerlyn> you can remote control the rovers through connection back to that pod

L608[11:53:53] <madmerlyn> or other probes, etc.

L609[11:54:20] <madmerlyn> the idea is the pilot is controlling them instead of controllers back at Kerbin

L610[11:54:27] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so if I put a probe core and a pilot in a space station and put it in Jool orbit, I could do remote missions on jool moons without super relays?

L611[11:54:54] <madmerlyn> yes if there is proper connection between the pilot and the probes

L612[11:55:39] <madmerlyn> won't be able to transmit the science back without a proper connection though

L613[11:55:58] <madmerlyn> but you could pilot the probes where you want them then when you bring out a proper relay later transmit

L614[11:56:36] <ve2dmn> Someone is gonna do a few boss of Dark Souls 3 blindfolded live...

L615[11:56:42] <madmerlyn> or if the probes come back to the ship the pilot is on, pilot can retrieve the science manually

L616[11:57:57] <madmerlyn> effectively though it'll let you do robotic landers that are much ligher weight than a kerbal would be to get your science and return to the vessel, or let you stage your probes in preparation for when the relay tech is available

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L619[12:10:35] <ve2dmn> ha. My formula is all wrong

L620[12:10:41] <madmerlyn> noice

L621[12:10:44] <ve2dmn> that explains why NaN

L622[12:11:05] * APlayer likes formulae

L623[12:11:08] <APlayer> What formula?

L624[12:12:17] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-major_and_semi-minor_axes#Orbital_period

L625[12:12:30] <ve2dmn> Getting 'a' from T and mu

L626[12:12:46] <ve2dmn> can you find the mistake: a^3 = -P^2 +4Pi/GM

L627[12:15:27] <APlayer> a³ = Mu * T² / (4 * Pi²)?

L628[12:16:04] <ve2dmn> yup

L629[12:16:17] <iamfishhead1> NaN infects everything

L630[12:16:33] <iamfishhead1> and doesn't even equal itself!

L631[12:16:46] <Althego> nan is bad for you

L632[12:17:07] <iamfishhead1> I think that's the funnest thing. FPUs say that NaN == NaN is false

L633[12:17:40] <ve2dmn> that sounds about right

L634[12:17:56] <APlayer> https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

L635[12:18:08] <ve2dmn> classic

L636[12:18:19] <Althego> hehe

L637[12:18:30] <Althego> js

L638[12:18:51] <ve2dmn> NaN is "I quit! I'm done!"

L639[12:19:19] <iamfishhead1> haha yeah

L640[12:19:53] <ve2dmn> Because that answer would be a complex number or somehthing weeiriiid

L641[12:20:09] <Althego> complex numbers are your friebds

L642[12:20:22] <iamfishhead1> Also +0 and -0 which IEEE 754 also requires

L643[12:20:27] <Althego> they help you through differential equations and stuff

L644[12:22:10] <ve2dmn> and phasors

L645[12:24:26] <APlayer> Last time I had a serious error related to NaN was in JS. Some formula was obviously wrong in my code, and over a few iterations of a loop, the amount of sense the numbers made gradually deteroriated until a stary NaN appeared in one of them, and over a few more iterations all the numbers went NaN

L646[12:24:48] <APlayer> I failed to find the error, BTW. I had to rewrite that part of the script

L647[12:26:17] <madmerlyn> I'm doing this career right with all purpose designed, properly named vessels

L648[12:26:56] <madmerlyn> brought over a lot of designs from my previous career that have been tried and tested, most of them I haven't unlocked the necessary tech for yet though

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L650[12:29:26] <iamfishhead1> *sigh* JS using floats for everything makes me sad

L651[12:30:21] <ve2dmn> JS makes me sad in general

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L654[12:31:06] * APlayer has learned that for every thing there is someone whom it makes sad

L655[12:31:16] <APlayer> Except maybe Elon Musk, because he is awesome

L656[12:31:25] <APlayer> And not a thing

L657[12:31:29] <ve2dmn> At least the dev we have writting pages in Node.JS hands me a 'compiled' (read Static HTML pages) version of the resulting websiste

L658[12:32:15] <ve2dmn> So it's not: Install new service, load service. Make Proxy out of Apache.

L659[12:32:41] <FltAdmVonSpiz> why is it validation is always the hardest part about programming?

L660[12:32:47] <ve2dmn> I don't understand why web developpement is trying to re-invent the webserver...

L661[12:33:01] <FltAdmVonSpiz> last time I wrote a serious programme it was a killer sudoku solver in C++, int eh end I gave up and just wrote filters into all the individual functions to discard obvious junk values

L662[12:33:06] <FltAdmVonSpiz> it was easier than finding the problems

L663[12:33:48] <ve2dmn> A Computer is a rock we tricked into thinking

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L666[12:35:31] <APlayer> Anyone tried playing KSP with RSS?

L667[12:36:50] <iamfishhead1> I want to

L668[12:36:53] <iamfishhead1> But have not

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L673[12:40:59] <Althego> scott did

L674[12:41:03] <Althego> it was al ong running series

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L677[12:47:23] <ve2dmn> one day, the only way to drive will be in games

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L679[12:47:38] <Althego> drive cars you mean?

L680[12:48:02] <Althego> humans shouldnt do it on the public roads, only in closed tracks

L681[12:49:57] <ve2dmn> According to the ads, yes

L682[12:54:20] <Althego> isnt it good that we are not living on a super earth? think of it, what if we couldnt make it into orbit because of the higher gravity?

L683[12:54:56] <ve2dmn> I was thinking that watching AGDQ. One of the prize is a Thrustmaster wheel

L684[12:55:13] <Althego> agdq?

L685[12:55:47] <ve2dmn> They said (and I paraphrase): "It's futuristic. There's force-feedback and everything. It's like you are driving the real thing"

L686[12:55:51] <madmerlyn> launching a probe to sink into Kerbin's oceans for science :P

L687[12:55:59] <ve2dmn> Awesome Games Done Quick

L688[12:56:10] <ve2dmn> It's a Charity Marathon

L689[12:56:22] <ve2dmn> Right now, someone is speed-run Dark Souls 3 live

L690[12:59:11] <Althego> never liked speed runs. i like to explore everything, and find everything

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L692[13:00:35] <madmerlyn> let's see how deep the ocean is 8km from the launchpad :P

L693[13:00:56] <madmerlyn> 900m

L694[13:01:02] <Althego> they are quite deep south-south-east

L695[13:01:13] <madmerlyn> almost lost my probe lol

L696[13:01:21] <madmerlyn> one of the tanks blew up on impact

L697[13:01:28] <madmerlyn> all the scientific equipment survived though

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L699[13:02:14] <madmerlyn> totally planned that tank being a crumple zone, *totally*

L700[13:02:16] <ve2dmn> Althego: I'm mostly waiting for the races. Like, later today they are doing a Zelda:LTTP Randomizer run.

L701[13:02:46] <ve2dmn> it's the original Zelda ofr SNES but the items are randomised and hidden in different places

L702[13:02:47] <Althego> what would you like to see colonized, mars or venus?

L703[13:03:00] <madmerlyn> Cloud City on Venus would be super cool

L704[13:03:06] <ve2dmn> Fastest player wins

L705[13:03:10] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: +1

L706[13:03:25] <madmerlyn> it's the most Earth-like place in the Solar System that we know of

L707[13:03:33] <APlayer> I am a total Mars-type

L708[13:03:42] <madmerlyn> long as you don't go down below 50km :P

L709[13:03:51] <madmerlyn> then it turns into a literal Hell

L710[13:04:02] <ve2dmn> I don't see how you could easily reverse the Venus temperature :/

L711[13:04:06] <APlayer> False facts, here

L712[13:04:17] <madmerlyn> not false facts

L713[13:04:40] <ve2dmn> does it not rain molten metal on Venus?

L714[13:04:50] <madmerlyn> up above 50km breathable earth-atmosphere is buoyant, requiring no engine power to maintain altitude, it's 0.9Gs of gravity, and temperatures similar to Earths

L715[13:04:52] <ve2dmn> (or something)

L716[13:05:00] <APlayer> You are smack-dab inside of the most earth like place in the solar system

L717[13:05:13] <madmerlyn> well Earth is not Earth-like, it's Earth

L718[13:05:31] <madmerlyn> no one describes humans as human-like

L719[13:05:49] <APlayer> Oh yes

L720[13:05:58] <APlayer> Also eggs as egg-like

L721[13:06:15] <ve2dmn> sementics

L722[13:06:35] <ve2dmn> But since APlayer has the @, I'll side with him

L723[13:07:19] <APlayer> A teacher in 5th (6th?) grade wanted us to guess what they used in paint hundreds of years ago. "You have all seen it! It's white, and the shape is... Uh, egg-like!"

L724[13:07:43] <APlayer> The phrase stuck so much I still remember it

L725[13:07:48] <APlayer> And nobody guessed it

L726[13:08:20] <ve2dmn> Was it blood?

L727[13:08:39] <madmerlyn> obviously I didn't include Earth, it should've been assumed that Earth was the most "Earth-like"

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L729[13:08:44] <madmerlyn> silly

L730[13:09:07] <APlayer> :P

L731[13:09:33] <madmerlyn> Venus above 50km would require the least amount of life support to live in though

L732[13:09:37] <APlayer> Aww, c'mon, can't have some fun with you guys, can I?

L733[13:09:42] <madmerlyn> vs. anywhere else that isn't Earth

L734[13:10:17] <madmerlyn> there's just the whole issue of not great abort options in the case of critical habitat failure

L735[13:10:47] <APlayer> "We'll use a giant floating Zeppelin in case of abort"

L736[13:11:11] <madmerlyn> you'd need a mighty powerful rocket to escape Venus at that altitude, what with near earth-levels of gravity and atmosphere around you

L737[13:12:10] <madmerlyn> too bad that metallic hydrogen hasn't panned out yet, could possibly build one powerful enough that wasn't insanely heavy with that

L738[13:13:20] <ve2dmn> Can't you glide at that altitude?

L739[13:13:24] <APlayer> Right, let's put metallic hydrogen into one of the hottest places where it could be used

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L741[13:13:31] <ve2dmn> (no idea of the atmosphere density)

L742[13:13:34] <APlayer> Definitely won't melt

L743[13:13:45] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Float where?

L744[13:13:47] <GuestBanana> goodness, watching AGDQ with bad internet UGH

L745[13:13:47] <madmerlyn> again... at 50km it's not that hot

L746[13:13:56] <madmerlyn> earth-like temperatures

L747[13:14:07] <APlayer> Float into the acidic hell below?

L748[13:14:15] <madmerlyn> obviously the abort option wouldn't include going down to the surface and transferring to a rocket

L749[13:14:32] <madmerlyn> the rocket would have to be floating in the atmosphere with the hab

L750[13:14:47] <madmerlyn> which is why you would want it to be light

L751[13:14:52] <APlayer> Or it could be hovering on its engines nearby

L752[13:14:55] <APlayer> No, not really

L753[13:15:03] <madmerlyn> so you wouldn't need a death-star sized zeppelin to lift it

L754[13:15:32] <Althego> i am starting to think venus is a better idea

L755[13:16:07] <APlayer> Nope, Mars is

L756[13:16:20] <madmerlyn> Mars has much more feasible abort options

L757[13:16:26] <madmerlyn> but takes a lot more life support than Venus

L758[13:16:32] <APlayer> What do you even want in Venus' high atmosphere?

L759[13:16:40] <APlayer> There is nothing compared to Mars

L760[13:16:45] <Althego> what do you want on mars?

L761[13:16:48] <madmerlyn> and since safety is paramount with space exploration, abort options take priority over necessary life support

L762[13:16:54] <APlayer> Looking for life there

L763[13:17:02] <madmerlyn> you can look for life in Venus' atmosphere

L764[13:17:10] <madmerlyn> it's entirely possible there's microbial life up there

L765[13:17:16] <APlayer> LOL, what just happened in my KSP launch

L766[13:17:38] <APlayer> SRB of the rocket failed 2 sec before separation

L767[13:18:02] <madmerlyn> not to mention you can get an up close look at Venus to gather data since it's assumed Venus was once Earth-like itself and had runaway greenhouse affect sparked by the sun getting hotter and boiling away its oceans

L768[13:18:47] <madmerlyn> there are scientific merits to both planets

L769[13:18:53] <APlayer> Speaking of that, we really think everything was earthlike, don't we?

L770[13:19:18] <madmerlyn> no, just the 2 rocky worlds that have similar characteristics to Earth and are in the sun's "goldilocks zone"

L771[13:19:19] <APlayer> Mars was earthlike, Venus was earthlike, Earth is (obviously) earthlike

L772[13:19:50] <madmerlyn> Mercury was never earthlike, and the jovians and their moons never earthlike as far as we can tell

L773[13:19:51] <Althego> in a sense titan is earthlike

L774[13:19:58] <Althego> has weather and liquid on the surface

L775[13:20:08] <madmerlyn> not liquid water

L776[13:20:16] <Althego> not water

L777[13:22:39] <APlayer> It's interesting, really. We have this strange compulsion to look for life everywhere

L778[13:22:49] <APlayer> We really don't want to be alone out there

L779[13:22:51] <UmbralRaptor> APlayer: speaking as a grad student in astronomy working on exoplanets, when we say "earthlike", we mean very roughly (typically within a factor of 2, sometimes closer) earth radius and insolation.

L780[13:22:58] <madmerlyn> that's because we want to understand why we're here

L781[13:23:21] <madmerlyn> finding life outside of earth gives a lot of information as to how and why life happens

L782[13:23:29] <ve2dmn> We're here because we're here because we're here....

L783[13:23:44] <Althego> there are probably at least 3 other places in the solar system with life

L784[13:24:08] <madmerlyn> and confirming that will confirm a lot of hypotheses

L785[13:24:10] <GuestBanana> Which is more likely: extraterrestrial life exists or extraterrestrial life does not exist?

L786[13:24:27] <APlayer> That is, you just said there are at least three other places where life did form, Althego?

L787[13:24:30] <Althego> what if the solution to the fermi paradox is that life is mostly on gas giant moons outside od the goldilocks zone under ice and water and never makes a civilization?

L788[13:24:55] <Althego> not necessarily

L789[13:24:56] * UmbralRaptor bets that exo-stromatolites are common.

L790[13:25:04] <Althego> i am so rooting for us being martians

L791[13:25:08] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: both answers are scary

L792[13:25:23] <Althego> life appeared relatively easily here. cant be that easy

L793[13:25:29] <Althego> or is it?

L794[13:25:34] <ve2dmn> Althego: or from that proto-planet that collided with Earth?

L795[13:26:00] <ve2dmn> or was it too soon?

L796[13:26:08] <APlayer> Althego: So if we did originate on Mars, why did we not find any sort of fossils there yet? For life to spread from one planet to another via meteorite impact, the should be relatively much of it, shouldn't there?

L797[13:26:33] <Althego> we havent found stromatolites here easily either

L798[13:26:46] <Althego> finding them on mars would be so cool

L799[13:26:46] <madmerlyn> APlayer because if life lived on mars over a billion years ago the fossil record would have been erased already

L800[13:27:01] <madmerlyn> at least in the places we've probed so far

L801[13:27:07] <madmerlyn> we'd have to dig deeper to find evidence of life that old

L802[13:27:17] <APlayer> Mars has not been geologically active for how many billions of years?

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L804[13:27:36] <madmerlyn> geological activity is not the only thing that erodes

L805[13:27:50] <APlayer> Atmosphere, geology, meteorite impacts

L806[13:27:55] <APlayer> The main three, I'd say

L807[13:28:08] <APlayer> Geology is out of the question here

L808[13:28:10] <madmerlyn> we're talking about a planet that has planet-wide dust storms, and microscopic life

L809[13:28:22] <APlayer> Atmosphere is barely of a concern too

L810[13:28:32] <APlayer> It's so thin, it erodes things really slowly

L811[13:28:38] <Althego> wait, a sec, how do you know that mars has microscopic life?

L812[13:28:39] <madmerlyn> the evidence of life is not going to be sitting in the middle of a desert that our rovers have driven over

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L814[13:29:00] <madmerlyn> if life started on Mars and came to Earth via meteor, it would've been microscopic

L815[13:29:04] <APlayer> Meteorite impacts are a real problem here, especially the dust that they produce

L816[13:29:09] <madmerlyn> you're not going to have mammals surviving space

L817[13:29:15] <Althego> obviously

L818[13:29:23] <APlayer> LOL, flying cows

L819[13:29:38] <Althego> i think if it ever had life, there still is some left, today. maybe undergrgound, but it has to be there

L820[13:29:45] <madmerlyn> we have very little useful sample data from Mars right now

L821[13:30:00] <Althego> you know how it goes, you could model the cows to be spheres in vacuum, for certain purposes :)

L822[13:30:15] <ve2dmn> Althego: they arent????

L823[13:30:15] <APlayer> Also, isn't mammals surviving in space pretty much the thing that we are doing for one and a half decades now in a floating tin can?

L824[13:30:34] <ve2dmn> My entire degree is a lie!

L825[13:30:40] <madmerlyn> that's a bit different than surviving on a piece of debris after a high energy impact with the surface of the planet you live on

L826[13:30:56] <madmerlyn> and then surviving impact on another planet by said debris

L827[13:30:58] <APlayer> I am fooling around ;-)

L828[13:31:01] <Althego> also, water bears

L829[13:31:07] <Althego> go water bears, go

L830[13:31:27] <APlayer> Do tardigrades classify as mammals, though? :P

L831[13:31:57] <Althego> no

L832[13:31:58] <Althego> Then God [z]blessed them, saying, Bring forth fruit and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let the fowl multiply in the earth.

L833[13:32:11] <madmerlyn> but if earth life did come from Mars, where did Martian life come from? so many questions for science to answer

L834[13:32:19] <madmerlyn> but it all starts with finding that we are not alone

L835[13:32:27] <Althego> i guess mars cooled down faster

L836[13:32:34] <Althego> so it may have formed there sooner

L837[13:34:00] <ve2dmn> What if we found out we made a time machine and contamined the earth a few millions years ago?

L838[13:34:08] <ve2dmn> "We're here because we're here because we're here...."

L839[13:34:40] <APlayer> TBH, life is such a complex thing, I deem it rather unlikely for chemicals to arrange in such a precise manner to spark it. It happened here on Earth, and that's what keeps the Earth unique. I don't think it also happened anywhere nearby, be it time-nearby or space-nearby

L840[13:34:48] <ve2dmn> I'm being silly of course, but I truly wish we had the answers to the ultimate Life question

L841[13:34:55] <Althego> not really possible, since possible time machines cant go back before the time they existed

L842[13:35:32] <Althego> george carlin said it already: why are we here? plastics!

L843[13:35:42] <ve2dmn> APlayer: improbable, yes. Impossible, no

L844[13:35:47] <madmerlyn> APlayer but there have already been experiments here on earth that have shown simple proteins etc forming with conditions that are believed to have been what primordial earth was like

L845[13:36:05] <madmerlyn> none have seen genesis of course, but they've gotten the building blocks

L846[13:36:16] <APlayer> Right, what if life is actually a paradox? A time machine appeared on Earth 3Ba ago and contaminated it, sparking an infinite circle of evolving civilizations, time machines and re-starting life

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L848[13:37:12] <APlayer> madmerlyn: There are building blocks on Comets. They too have complex organic molecules, does not mean life starts there

L849[13:37:34] <ve2dmn> my math failed again :/

L850[13:37:41] <Althego> no, you failed :)

L851[13:37:46] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Improbable, yes. Certainly possible, hence "I don't think ..."

L852[13:38:00] <APlayer> What failed?

L853[13:38:02] <madmerlyn> but said molecules were formed from less complex components suggesting that there are catalysts out there that offset the constant decay of everything

L854[13:38:38] <madmerlyn> establishing whether or not life is common answers a lot of doubts though

L855[13:38:50] <madmerlyn> finding it on Mars or in Venus' atmosphere will confirm it's pretty common

L856[13:38:58] <ve2dmn> my rendez-vous script failed

L857[13:39:01] <madmerlyn> or anywhere else in our solar system

L858[13:39:06] *** jeans is now known as gingermouse

L859[13:39:09] <ve2dmn> The last node code was untested and it failed

L860[13:39:14] <APlayer> If we succeed in finding life on Mars, call me stupid, but I have serious doubts we will

L861[13:39:23] <madmerlyn> stupid.

L862[13:39:29] <Althego> hehe

L863[13:39:49] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Abort?

L864[13:39:56] <GuestBanana> The other problem is that there's a real difference between intellegent life and just life.

L865[13:39:57] <ve2dmn> revert

L866[13:40:13] <ve2dmn> This is just a series of test to try and automate rendez-vous...

L867[13:40:23] <madmerlyn> we find extra terrestrial life first, then worry about whether or not there are other intelligent species out there

L868[13:40:26] <ve2dmn> ...the poor tourist have seen the same thing for 45 times now

L869[13:41:09] <GuestBanana> ve2dmn: is he a nihilist now

L870[13:41:21] <GuestBanana> because that's the important question

L871[13:41:22] <Althego> european swimmers

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L873[13:41:30] <madmerlyn> we know how evolution happened here from fossil record and DNA research, if we find microbial life elsewhere we know that intelligent life can surely evolve in other places if the right situation for evolution exists

L874[13:41:36] <Althego> or at least european space sponges

L875[13:42:06] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Rendez-vous or docking?

L876[13:42:23] <ve2dmn> Rendez-vous

L877[13:42:28] <APlayer> Alright

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L879[13:42:43] <APlayer> Call me in to help if needed, then

L880[13:43:00] <Althego> jean michel jarre? :)

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L882[13:43:04] <ve2dmn> I'm gonna re-read my orbit matching code first

L883[13:43:13] <madmerlyn> that's another design goal I have for this career, all crewed vessels have a LES

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L885[13:43:48] <madmerlyn> well vertical ones, the abort on a spaceplane will be trying to glide to safety

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L887[13:44:04] <Althego> i used to put monoprop engines on capsules while they were massless, as a kind of emergency delta v separator thing

L888[13:44:05] <APlayer> madmerlyn: It's really an opinion thing at this point. Sure, if we find life, we can assume there are civilizations out there. If we don't, we will never know. And it's pointless to argue if we will or not, because there are no facts to use in such an argument

L889[13:44:27] <madmerlyn> didn't realize it was an argument.

L890[13:44:33] <madmerlyn> I said stupid. because you said call me stupid.

L891[13:44:36] <ve2dmn> Classic problem of the Drake equations: All values are assumptions based on speculations

L892[13:44:37] <Althego> the universe is so huge. and it is amazing. yet it is sad to see these huge distances

L893[13:44:41] <APlayer> A discussion, perhaps

L894[13:44:45] <Althego> somebody build a stargate

L895[13:44:48] <Althego> or something

L896[13:45:06] <GuestBanana> no, find out how to make negative energy to create IRL wormholes

L897[13:45:13] <APlayer> It's pointless to try to convince each other, let's settle on that :P

L898[13:45:16] <GuestBanana> oh wait, those are the same thing

L899[13:45:24] <GuestBanana> sorry :)

L900[13:46:02] <APlayer> Also, I usually have an abort system in (space-)planes which consists of two sepratrons and a decoupler ejecting the crew capsule and a parachute landing it

L901[13:46:04] <Althego> that is a starting point for a time machine

L902[13:46:14] <madmerlyn> outside of exploration there's not a lot of reason to go outside of our own system as a species, by the time our star runs out, many other stars will be running out, best case scenario we just prolong our species until total heat death of the universe

L903[13:46:22] <madmerlyn> now that is nihilistic heh

L904[13:46:28] <APlayer> Wouldn't work in late ascent pahses, but good for early ones, including runway abort

L905[13:47:35] <madmerlyn> did the shuttle have the cockpit separate from the main body of the plane? seems like that would create structural weak points

L906[13:47:50] <APlayer> Late ascent abort scenario would need some sort of RCS to re-orient the crew capsule and a heat shield behind the decoupler to ensure safe reentry

L907[13:48:00] <APlayer> No, it did not

L908[13:48:08] <APlayer> Challenger would not have happened if it did

L909[13:49:13] <madmerlyn> couldn't challenger have had a similar mechanism to separate the craft from the launch vehicle? or would there not have been enough altitude for control authority after separation

L910[13:49:17] <GuestBanana> Weird fact: It's been two days short of 10 months since Making History was announced. Can't wait for what SQUAD has in store for us! Please don't do a Paradox on EU4!

L911[13:50:10] <Althego> what is paradox?

L912[13:50:16] <madmerlyn> game studio

L913[13:50:19] <Althego> there is also an 1.4 in the works

L914[13:50:35] <madmerlyn> they made Stellaris, all the Europa Universalis's, and many other games

L915[13:50:36] <Althego> i was sad that nothing was stated about it in the latest dev notes

L916[13:50:47] <Althego> ah i was never into those

L917[13:51:15] <madmerlyn> also one of the first semi-AAA studios to mainstream support Linux

L918[13:51:33] <madmerlyn> they're small enough to be considered Indy, but they make big budget games

L919[13:52:26] <GuestBanana> Hearts of Iron, Crusader Kings, stuff like that

L920[13:52:43] <GuestBanana> oh, and Victoria II

L921[13:52:59] <madmerlyn> I played the game that ultimately spawned the 4X genre way back when, Castles.

L922[13:53:29] <madmerlyn> it was originally a rudimentary simulator some college students made to help visualize how medieval carpenters might have built castles

L923[13:53:40] <madmerlyn> eventually turned it into a basic strategy game

L924[13:53:41] <GuestBanana> I'm a Civilization fan, personally

L925[13:53:48] <madmerlyn> Civ came after Castles

L926[13:53:52] <GuestBanana> well, more like a Freeciv fan

L927[13:53:54] <madmerlyn> Castles goes way back, like late 80s

L928[13:53:55] <Althego> i usd to play civ 1 back in the day

L929[13:54:18] <GuestBanana> Freeciv is an open-source recreation of civ 2

L930[13:55:26] <Althego> i had an idea. i am too lame to do it. recreate the st:Ent intro with kerbals and kerbal ships

L931[13:55:35] <GuestBanana> Anyone going to see the lunar eclipse on the 31st?

L932[13:55:48] <Althego> cant, it will not be visible from here, i think

L933[13:56:13] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: still watching AGDQ?

L934[13:56:31] <GuestBanana> I gave up; I'm not really into Dark Souls anyway

L935[13:56:42] <GuestBanana> I'm saving up my speed for something I really want to watch

L936[13:56:43] <Althego> net says 27th of july is the next one visible from here

L937[13:56:48] <ve2dmn> They are doing Dark Soul blindfolded in a few minutes

L938[13:56:53] <Althego> lol

L939[13:56:55] <GuestBanana> ooh i'm going on

L940[13:56:55] <ve2dmn> (only the bosses)

L941[13:57:11] <GuestBanana> twitch.tv/gamesdonequick

L942[13:57:18] <GuestBanana> www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick

L943[13:57:19] <Althego> why are there so many flat earthers?

L944[13:57:48] <GuestBanana> because there's freedom of thought

L945[13:59:01] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: someone played Punch Out and Super PunOut using 1 controller yesterday

L946[13:59:24] <Althego> but they are growing rapidly now, that wasnt so in the past decade

L947[14:01:05] <ve2dmn> Althego: blame social networks?

L948[14:01:41] <madmerlyn> "growing rapidly" we're talking about maybe a few hundred people out of 7B

L949[14:02:06] <GuestBanana> very vocal "few hundred people"

L950[14:02:19] <madmerlyn> every bit as looney as moon hoaxers, and no one has taken them seriously for decades

L951[14:02:37] <ve2dmn> I know they are closed networks mostly: you can trace most of the people to the influence of a few key people

L952[14:02:54] <madmerlyn> the bigger problem are climate deniers, a lot more of those

L953[14:03:08] <ve2dmn> same with Vaxxers: most are inside a specific close-loop network

L954[14:03:31] <madmerlyn> ugh

L955[14:03:45] <ve2dmn> They are the results are a few influencers

L956[14:03:59] <madmerlyn> you know as recently as like the 1940s the life expectancy was below 50 years old?

L957[14:04:15] <GuestBanana> Well, they're mainly inside the United States, so...

L958[14:04:18] <madmerlyn> what's changed since then? oh yeah.. mass use of vaccinations..

L959[14:04:32] <ve2dmn> There was an interesting research paper on the network-link of these groups

L960[14:04:52] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: and mainly due to 1 person's influence

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L962[14:05:30] <madmerlyn> problem is it often starts with 1 person, but that person loses control of the echo chamber

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L964[14:05:46] <GuestBanana> Dark Souls Blindfolded Bosses just started

L965[14:05:51] <madmerlyn> the guy who originally pushed "vax causes autism" later said he was mistaken, and none of them cared

L966[14:06:31] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I know... but it didn't become viral until a few specific famous people starting pushing the idea

L967[14:06:41] <ve2dmn> I don't rememeber the specifics

L968[14:09:10] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn on your launch scripts, is GravCst = 9.82 the gravity acceleration ASL?

L969[14:09:32] <GuestBanana> I still don't really find Dark Souls interesting and oh... just a little gory... sorry I shared that link now...

L970[14:09:33] <madmerlyn> and is Kerbin really (9.82m/s)m/s?

L971[14:09:41] <madmerlyn> isn't that.. Earth's gravity?

L972[14:09:48] <ve2dmn> yes

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L974[14:10:12] <ve2dmn> That was before I knew it was an internal constant

L975[14:10:31] <ve2dmn> now I do SET GravCst TO KERBIN:MU / KERBIN:RADIUS^2.

L976[14:10:38] <madmerlyn> is that why it doesn't get very horizontal? it's doing an Earth gravity turn?

L977[14:11:11] <ve2dmn> no, it's because it's designed for my rockets

L978[14:11:28] <madmerlyn> what TWR are you on the pad? 1.05? lol

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L980[14:11:40] <ve2dmn> something like 1.4

L981[14:11:42] <madmerlyn> I tried throttling down to like 1.5 and still was not getting much horizontal velocity

L982[14:11:43] <GuestBanana> up next on AGDQ: Boodborne (another game I don't know anything about) - All Bosses

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L984[14:12:26] <madmerlyn> time to script my first Munar flyby

L985[14:12:38] <madmerlyn> wonder if I could fully script launching to a free return

L986[14:12:47] <madmerlyn> and if I can survive that without a heatshield lol

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L988[14:13:51] <ve2dmn> Like I said, I suggest you tweak the 2 formula I use

L989[14:14:37] <ve2dmn> one is based on current ground speed, the other on altitude...

L990[14:14:46] <ve2dmn> ...I gave up on making it better

L991[14:15:02] <ve2dmn> It works consistently enough

L992[14:15:10] <madmerlyn> reddit kos people have suggested instead of doing orbital math to have the program manipulate maneuver nodes until it gets a result that works, ha

L993[14:15:33] <madmerlyn> instead of simulating physics just push the nodes around to figure it out.. which is exactly how I do it manually

L994[14:15:39] <GuestBanana> well, here's the question, can you trust redditors?

L995[14:16:15] <APlayer> Nope

L996[14:16:17] <GuestBanana> (i mean, if you're talking about being funny, just look at /r/polandball [NSFW])

L997[14:16:19] <APlayer> Go with the maths

L998[14:16:47] <APlayer> You'd better not link NSFW stuff in here, else the OPs get angry ;-)

L999[14:16:50] <madmerlyn> but what if I'm American and don't do maths, I just have math.

L1000[14:17:06] <ve2dmn> !!!

L1001[14:18:13] <madmerlyn> <I do math, it's just we don't call it maths, we call it math ;)>

L1002[14:18:45] <APlayer> So, maths or math? What's the correct term?

L1003[14:18:52] <ve2dmn> Both

L1004[14:18:57] <ve2dmn> British vs US

L1005[14:19:00] <Althego> hehe

L1006[14:19:04] <GuestBanana> what is this "maths" thing; is it the third-person singular conjugation of the verb "to math?"

L1007[14:19:05] <APlayer> Grr, this stuff again

L1008[14:19:08] <Althego> separated by the common language

L1009[14:19:16] <ve2dmn> Colour vs Color, that sort of stuff

L1010[14:19:39] <madmerlyn> pretty much

L1011[14:19:45] <APlayer> Well, that would be pretty certainly Color for me, as I practice my English in a US environment

L1012[14:19:49] <madmerlyn> US says Math, many other countries say Maths

L1013[14:20:00] <APlayer> But I tend to say "maths"

L1014[14:20:38] <GuestBanana> I only use "maths" when referencing this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M_5oYU-IsU

L1015[14:20:38] <kmath> YouTube - BIG SHAQ - MANS NOT HOT (MUSIC VIDEO)

L1016[14:20:39] <Althego> i never get this. how is it possible to say months maths

L1017[14:20:51] <Althego> one would think it would be more convenient to say monthes

L1018[14:21:02] <madmerlyn> monthii

L1019[14:21:08] <GuestBanana> (also known as "the ting go skrrra")

L1020[14:21:16] <madmerlyn> my birthday is in 7 monthii

L1021[14:22:03] <madmerlyn> another interesting linguistic thing I read recently was that prior to the American Revolution, British and Americans alike used an accent that is closer to modern American than modern British

L1022[14:22:26] <Althego> hehe

L1023[14:22:39] <ve2dmn> Althego: languages

L1024[14:22:50] <madmerlyn> apparently the modern British accent emerged as a way for social climbers who joined the British aristocracy to separate themselves from commoners

L1025[14:23:21] <madmerlyn> which then was taught as proper language in schools and eventually everyone sounds different

L1026[14:24:01] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: same way I speak archaic french

L1027[14:24:19] <Althego> because canadians want to conserve the language

L1028[14:24:27] <madmerlyn> and also explains why Cities/regions in America that still had heavy British influence after the war, such as New York, Boston, etc. have much more contrasting accents than other regions of the country

L1029[14:24:35] <Althego> i find that silly, languages change over time, it is normal

L1030[14:25:09] <ve2dmn> Althego: not really. We just got isolated from france and diverged in laguage

L1031[14:25:34] <APlayer> There are lots of crass examples for things that are normal and everyone wants to stop them

L1032[14:25:41] <madmerlyn> least you didn't mangle it into its own gibberish language like those folks in Lousiana did :P

L1033[14:26:01] <APlayer> Like people who don't want to throw away things that break

L1034[14:26:09] <APlayer> Lots of disorders in that direction

L1035[14:26:15] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: close but not quite

L1036[14:26:22] <APlayer> Well, alright, that's far from everyone

L1037[14:27:19] <madmerlyn> from what I understand the swamp speak or whatever they call the "cajun language" is a mixture of french, english, and native languages from that region and resulted in a very unique language of its own

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L1039[14:28:40] <madmerlyn> it sounds gibberish, much like the Marshallese language. Like I can follow sentence flow in languages like French and Spanish etc. but Marshallese and cajun are just like.. come on now you're just making noises at this point.

L1040[14:28:59] <Althego> hehe

L1041[14:29:38] <madmerlyn> I think Marshallese uses repetition for emphasis too

L1042[14:29:45] <madmerlyn> I worked with several of them back in my factory days

L1043[14:30:07] <madmerlyn> and they would repeat syllables frequently, but then say the exact same syllable without repetition in different context

L1044[14:30:31] <ve2dmn> kind of like Japanese

L1045[14:30:36] <APlayer> You sure sure they use repetition for emphasis?

L1046[14:30:37] <ve2dmn> Dry Dry Desert

L1047[14:30:40] <madmerlyn> and when I asked some of my friends about it they couldn't really explain it to me in English heh

L1048[14:31:04] <madmerlyn> they will repeat words in some sentences and not in others, what significance it has I'm not sure APlayer

L1049[14:31:29] <madmerlyn> I worked side by side with half a dozen of them for 18 months

L1050[14:33:41] <APlayer> And after that you were speaking like this like this?

L1051[14:33:45] <APlayer> :P

L1052[14:35:27] <madmerlyn> it'd be more that was fun fun fun working in that dirty dirty dirty factory

L1053[14:35:59] <madmerlyn> anyone else getting cert errors on spacedock?

L1054[14:37:20] <ve2dmn> APlayer: for the record, I don't have the highest regard toward France in the language departement

L1055[14:37:31] <ve2dmn> Even if we share a common language

L1056[14:37:52] <Mathuin> madmerlyn: yes, their cert expired about six hours ago

L1057[14:38:01] <madmerlyn> noice

L1058[14:38:02] <APlayer> Yep

L1059[14:38:04] <Althego> hehe

L1060[14:38:39] <madmerlyn> can't you get SSL certs for like $15 these days? come on spacedock, get your act together! ;)

L1061[14:38:52] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: even free ones

L1062[14:39:16] <madmerlyn> oh yeah I think if you host with godaddy you get 1 cert for free

L1063[14:39:27] <madmerlyn> great if you don't have multiple domains

L1064[14:39:31] <ve2dmn> I was referering to let's Encrypt

L1065[14:39:53] <Mathuin> There's really no reason to go with godaddy or startcom or any of those now that LE is up and running.

L1066[14:40:15] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: there is only 1 good reason: they don't do *.domain.com.... yet

L1067[14:40:42] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: how was that ham radio meeting?

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L1069[14:41:25] <Mathuin> Wildcards are coming at the end of February. We had four people show up, which was great. Some minor progress on projects, and we're going to do the school club roundup contest as a group.

L1070[14:42:38] <madmerlyn> well here's a new mod I hadn't seen before

L1071[14:42:42] <madmerlyn> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/169344-131-lonesomerobots-aerospace-polyot/

L1072[14:43:15] <madmerlyn> I kinda like it

L1073[14:44:45] <Neal> I have a feeling that running my RCA audio cables next to my power cables, hdmi, usb, line in, and ethernet calbes is a bad idea

L1074[14:44:51] <madmerlyn> oh my, he made a Duna version of the Lockheed MADV

L1075[14:45:03] <Neal> I have a feeling rca isn't shielded lol

L1076[14:45:28] <madmerlyn> I doubt the RCA is going to crosstalk on the other lines though

L1077[14:46:00] <madmerlyn> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/168028-131-lonesomerobots-aerospace-dadv-1/

L1078[14:46:03] <Neal> it

L1079[14:46:05] <Neal> it

L1080[14:46:07] <Neal> sorry

L1081[14:46:43] <Neal> the source has a preamp before the RCA cables so that should limit noise I hope

L1082[14:47:03] <madmerlyn> preamp would amplify the noise ??

L1083[14:47:23] <Althego> obviously

L1084[14:47:23] <madmerlyn> but generally the jacket on all the cables you mentioned is enough to prevent cross talk from other low voltage sources

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L1088[14:51:13] <Neal> preamp is before the cable run so it would raise the signal:noise ratio

L1089[14:51:53] <Arynnia> Well, I've finally made Tier VII of the tech tree xD

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L1091[14:54:50] <Arynnia> (I have a modified CTT)

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L1093[14:58:44] <Draconiator> My network cable doesn't have the small plastic latch pin heh

L1094[14:59:05] <Draconiator> It holds on well enough unless you physically move the computer.

L1095[14:59:10] <Neal> I have the same problem with my motherboard's usb-C cable

L1096[14:59:37] <Neal> the IO shield extends outward too much and prevents the cables from latching

L1097[15:00:01] <Neal> not ideal when you're transferring important data over usb 3.1

L1098[15:01:24] <Draconiator> Yeah, I'm backing stuff up onto an external drive, and it's pretty funny when your internet speed is faster than your file transfer speed...heh

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L1100[15:12:55] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.

L1101[15:13:25] <Phantom_Hoover> do you know how ksp interstellar works

L1102[15:17:34] <Neal> my fist stage core has a TWR of .95 ASL, hopefully the SRBs will get it high enough to prevent it from falling back

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L1104[15:18:08] <APlayer> Basically, it is a file with many ones and zeroes, when you give your CPU the ones and zeroes that make up stock KSP, it knows it needs to load the KSP IE ones and zeroes into the RAM and also interpret them in a similar way as it does with KSP's ones and zeroes :P

L1105[15:18:34] <APlayer> Neal: Pics w/ staging? Also, what's the SRB only dV?

L1106[15:19:29] <Neal> https://i.imgur.com/8jP8NWx.png

L1107[15:19:50] <Neal> TWR of 1.06 VAC

L1108[15:21:24] <ve2dmn> You should be fine

L1109[15:21:29] <ve2dmn> ... I think

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L1111[15:22:30] <Neal> started burning core stage at 35KM and I'm accelerating so I think I'm good

L1112[15:22:59] <madmerlyn> the Delta IV starts burning the core stage before liftoff

L1113[15:23:00] <Neal> oh yeah AP up to 80km already we good

L1114[15:23:05] <madmerlyn> like literally, they burn their core stage

L1115[15:24:06] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I look mostly like burning paint

L1116[15:24:37] <ve2dmn> it*

L1117[15:25:44] <Draconiator> I remember when I was a newb I could not understand for the life of me why I couldn't make orbit....not enough thrust. heh

L1118[15:26:36] <Neal> successful orbital insertion even though my comm network is bad

L1119[15:26:38] <Neal> https://i.imgur.com/iDPRYLd.png

L1120[15:27:00] <Neal> glad I left than lander on minmus!

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L1123[15:27:53] <Draconiator> In my game, Mun is pretty much ignored and I head for Minmus. lower gravity.

L1124[15:28:30] <Draconiator> How much fuel do you save by doing that anyway?

L1125[15:28:33] <Neal> I go orbit > mun > minmus > set up solar relay

L1126[15:29:16] <Neal> I'm only playing science mode not career, the money aspect wasn't as fun to me

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L1130[15:31:36] <Phantom_Hoover> Neal, solar relay?

L1131[15:31:41] <Phantom_Hoover> oh, for comms?

L1132[15:31:49] <Neal> yeah

L1133[15:33:45] <madmerlyn> first career Mun probe in orbit, preparing to set up FRT burn

L1134[15:33:57] <Neal> I definitely didn't put enough solar panels or batteries onboard so it looks like I'll be in a low solar orbit lol

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L1136[15:35:24] <Neal> hrm this antenna was only rated to 2.00 Gm and kerbin orbits at like 13Gm. I didn't plan that very well

L1137[15:35:27] <madmerlyn> ain't she a beaut? the "Mun-a-rang" blob:https://imgur.com/64c60bf8-cba7-4bf8-958b-13fc3990056a

L1138[15:35:35] <madmerlyn> erm that's a bad link, bad imgur

L1139[15:35:41] <madmerlyn> https://i.imgur.com/9yMU646.png

L1140[15:35:42] <madmerlyn> there we go

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L1142[15:36:53] <Neal> what are those colorful boxes on your probe?

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L1144[15:37:23] <madmerlyn> sounding rocket experiments from USI sounding rockets

L1145[15:38:49] <Neal> are those 2 probe bodies

L1146[15:38:50] <Neal> ?

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L1149[15:41:27] <madmerlyn> top square part is a small fuel tank

L1150[15:41:33] <madmerlyn> with solar panels on it

L1151[15:41:44] <Neal> ah. looked like a cubic probe core

L1152[15:42:02] <madmerlyn> it's emergency reserve fuel :P

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L1155[15:42:25] <Neal> also how do antenna ratings work? IIRC sqrt(antennaRating1*antennaRating2) ?

L1156[15:42:32] <madmerlyn> I'm 50% certain this thing is going to blow up on the FRT

L1157[15:42:45] <Neal> go engine-first

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L1159[15:43:04] <Neal> you'll probably lose your science pods on the fuel tank tho

L1160[15:43:09] <madmerlyn> this will do the math for you https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qIgFB8OXnlgpPCGsxv7JYUYQq5O671IcZXpumVaStek/edit#gid=1781472150

L1161[15:48:18] <madmerlyn> I adjusted FRT to hit kerbin around 51km, should hopefully be able to 2 or 3 pass without losing any science (hopefully)

L1162[15:48:27] <Neal> ooo I will have enough signal stregnth for moho even

L1163[15:48:28] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/78420bbc3013c1ffc2f0bfad0f24f72e.png

L1164[15:50:46] <Draconiator> 31,016 units of fuel. Made it for what me and Flub are planning. it's a plot device.

L1165[15:54:34] <Flub_ugh> is that procedural wings?

L1166[15:55:09] <Flub_ugh> also https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/acecombat/images/f/f8/AC7_Arsenal_Bird_Props.png/revision/latest?cb=20170609154751

L1167[15:56:17] <madmerlyn> well I lost the goo units

L1168[15:56:21] <madmerlyn> and half the probe

L1169[15:56:36] <madmerlyn> but most of the good stuff survived

L1170[16:03:30] <madmerlyn> well guess I get to discover how deep this part of the ocean is

L1171[16:03:44] <madmerlyn> since my emergency fuel is weighing down my probe and I have no engines left lol

L1172[16:04:11] <madmerlyn> descending at 1.5m/s too could take a while, at least it won't blow up when it impacts

L1173[16:04:46] <Draconiator> Yep. here it is close to it's intended altitude. https://i.gyazo.com/5a220dcca03aa5b4d46f1132acd4d429.png

L1174[16:05:09] <Draconiator> It's REALLY clumsy in the thick atmosphere.

L1175[16:05:54] <madmerlyn> wonder what the deepest part of Kerbin's ocean is

L1176[16:06:27] <madmerlyn> 1391 meters perhaps, so I should be near the bottom soon lol

L1177[16:07:44] <madmerlyn> 1093m deep where that probe landed

L1178[16:08:03] <madmerlyn> that would've been a critical mission failure if it was a real mission, lol, all that science sinking a kilometer into the ocean

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L1180[16:13:04] <madmerlyn> evening novy.

L1181[16:13:13] <Supernovy> Hey.

L1182[16:19:16] <madmerlyn> Mun-a-rang was mostly successful

L1183[16:19:24] <madmerlyn> lost the Goo data, but all other science was recovered :D

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L1186[16:22:36] <ve2dmn> nice. My code finally work, but move the Pe below ground

L1187[16:22:52] <ve2dmn> but it's EXACTLY what I asked of it

L1188[16:23:01] <Mathuin> Yay!

L1189[16:25:15] <ve2dmn> Now I just need to detect that possibility and move the encouter 2 orbits down

L1190[16:25:23] <ve2dmn> (instead of 1)

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L1194[16:28:53] <Mathuin> The orbit-moving encounter thing is something I haven't yet started.

L1195[16:32:25] <ve2dmn> The logic is simple, but I had issues with bugs because my code is a mess

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L1197[16:43:15] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn I made some slight modifications to this and it made orbit with 3600dv, not perfect but pretty darn good. https://github.com/markallenthornton/KSP-kOS/blob/master/toorbit.ks

L1198[16:43:52] <madmerlyn> I changed the line that defined turnalt to body:atm:height/14. so it would start the turn earlier

L1199[16:44:16] <ve2dmn> cool, I'll check it later

L1200[16:44:20] <madmerlyn> dividing by 5 was waaaaay too high for kerbin

L1201[16:44:49] <madmerlyn> what I like about it is it drops a perfect circularization maneuver node down

L1202[16:45:39] <madmerlyn> have to pull the exec_node() function out of his functions.ks to make it do the actual circularization though

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L1204[16:48:14] <Draconiator> I sorta wish the stability assist adjusted for the curvature of Kerbin.

L1205[16:48:27] <Arcanitor> madmerlyn: does kOS have any array-like data type

L1206[16:48:42] <Arcanitor> Draconiator: it will if you choose prograde :P

L1207[16:48:54] <Draconiator> and using the Prograde node gives it a slight nose-down attitude.

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L1209[16:50:45] <ve2dmn> Arcanitor: it has structures

L1210[16:51:12] <Mathuin> Arcanitor: kOS has associative arrays and lists.

L1211[16:51:26] <Mathuin> Keys in the associative arrays do not have to be strings.

L1212[16:51:26] <ve2dmn> https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS/structures/collections.html

L1213[16:51:35] <Mathuin> Not all types are serializable.

L1214[16:51:54] <Arcanitor> there is a list structure which looks equivalent to the C++ Vector class

L1215[16:52:44] <ve2dmn> https://ksp-kos.github.io/KOS/math/vector.html

L1216[16:53:04] <ve2dmn> The object Vector represents a three-dimensional euclidean vector

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L1218[16:54:17] <Arcanitor> in C++ a vector is an array of dynamic size

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L1221[16:55:17] <Arcanitor> regular arrays have a fixed size set on construction

L1222[16:56:28] <ve2dmn> Thanks for reminding me. I haven't done C++ in over 10 years

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L1224[16:59:52] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/87d15e86159d923c55b34315e47bc916.png - dang thing has quite the range on it too.

L1225[17:01:23] <Flub_ugh> mine can do better

L1226[17:04:54] <Phantom_Hoover> has KSPI-E removed the ability to generate science passively in a lab?

L1227[17:06:07] <Draconiator> And yep, those are procedural wings. the huge wing has fuel in it, the two other ones don't to keep weight down.

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L1230[17:08:40] <Draconiator> Hmmm, looks like the most fuel is used gaining altitude. at altitude I just set the throttle to around 50%.

L1231[17:09:31] <Neal> oh no I forgot to dump my fairing before timewarping and I ran out of electricity

L1232[17:14:25] <Flub_ugh> can you make one with stock parts?

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L1234[17:20:03] <Draconiator> Maybe a smaller version with Junos. you'd need Tweakscale though.

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L1238[17:22:56] <Neal> at what solar altitude to parts start exploding?

L1239[17:23:15] <Neal> forgot to put a heat exchanger on my ship.

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L1245[17:35:10] <Phantom_Hoover> does anyone know if freethinker, the modder behind kspi-e, is around on this IRC?

L1246[17:38:05] <madmerlyn> if you want an answer to your question about the science lab, look in your KSPI-E folder for a .cfg file

L1247[17:38:26] <madmerlyn> if there's a .cfg file that modifies the MPL1 you know it's messing with your science

L1248[17:38:36] <Phantom_Hoover> no it's kspi's own science part

L1249[17:39:06] <Neal> excuse me a minute while I go scream

L1250[17:39:43] <Neal> I did a bi-elliptic transfer that took over 15 years of KSP time and I ran out of comms range before I could transmit my data

L1251[17:39:48] <Neal> then my ship exploded

L1252[17:40:37] <ve2dmn> Neal: I never went that far in time...

L1253[17:40:51] <ve2dmn> ... can you tell me the lottery numbers for year 10 ?

L1254[17:40:55] <Phantom_Hoover> where on earth were you transferring between

L1255[17:41:03] <Neal> only had ~2500 ms of delta-v

L1256[17:41:14] <Neal> went from kerbin orbit to low solar orbit

L1257[17:41:46] <Neal> exploded at 342,000km

L1258[17:45:35] <madmerlyn> well the orbit with that particular rocket didn't end up circular, but it certainly ended up in orbit :D

L1259[17:45:45] <madmerlyn> 96x82, good enough

L1260[17:46:04] <madmerlyn> 1204m/s dv left, putting the total dv to orbit around 3700ish

L1261[17:46:25] <madmerlyn> more than enough for a FRT trip to the Mun though

L1262[17:46:37] <madmerlyn> and this one shouldn't lose any pieces on re-entry

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L1264[17:50:20] <GuestBanana> never really cared about Final Fantasy, but https://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick is starting to convince me to play it (currently speedrunning FFIV)

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L1268[17:58:45] <ve2dmn> FF4 is good

L1269[17:59:58] <ve2dmn> And I kind of liked the story

L1270[18:00:46] <Flub_ugh> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/401888029007937536/1510534763026.jpg

L1271[18:01:16] <ve2dmn> when things get really bad the game send twists your way

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L1274[18:06:18] <ve2dmn> a few plot twist keeps the story intersting

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L1277[18:15:58] <Phantom_Hoover> so what're the optimal ascent parameters for mechjeb?

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L1281[18:36:38] <Blaank> Star Fox 2 run is using the waifus.

L1282[18:37:55] <Blaank> Wow, this looks like shit

L1283[18:39:21] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank: ahem.

L1284[18:39:46] * TheKosmonaut pokes Blaank with the long list of rules and highlights language

L1285[18:39:56] <Blaank> wow, wrong channel

L1286[18:40:02] <Blaank> how did it get to kps

L1287[18:41:01] <Blaank> sorry.

L1288[18:41:10] <Blaank> I do try but I must have accidentally clicked over at some point.

L1289[18:44:01] <Flub_ugh> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/401899198187962368/DSC_6645.JPG

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L1291[18:50:28] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank: you will be punished accordingly

L1292[18:50:56] <TheKosmonaut> Please take five minutes and read all available literature on the truth of the flat Earth

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L1295[19:06:38] <TheKosmonaut> The globalists got him

L1296[19:06:57] <TheKosmonaut> Globulists*

L1297[19:30:10] <madmerlyn> wut up Kosmo

L1298[19:36:28] <TheKosmonaut> madmerlyn: not much. Cold mornings.

L1299[19:37:13] <TheKosmonaut> My water heater got switched off while I was mid shampoo. It's -2 outside.

L1300[19:37:48] <TheKosmonaut> My bathroom has no heating either. So cold water in a cold room. I screamed and the wife said "oops. Haha"

L1301[19:38:03] <TheKosmonaut> (she turned off the heater)

L1302[19:42:19] <Flub_ugh> I think I broke the game

L1303[19:49:12] <GlassYuri> pre-digital twitter https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTdVjNSVQAERhY2.jpg

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L1305[20:22:55] <Phantom_Hoover> is it just me or does mechjeb's landing guidance not work at all

L1306[20:23:10] <Phantom_Hoover> like i tell it to land at a point on the mun and it carefully and deliberately lands on the other side

L1307[20:24:25] <Phantom_Hoover> yeah ok it's apparently utterly broken

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L1309[20:34:05] <Phantom_Hoover> ah, fixed in dev builds

L1310[20:36:44] <madmerlyn> quiet tonight

L1311[20:42:49] <Phantom_Hoover> back to the good old days of being able to land on the VAB roof in one smooth burn

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L1313[20:50:16] <Draconiator> I wonder if Elon Musk cave us directions to build a stock version of the Falcon 9 in KSP.

L1314[20:54:29] <GlassYuri> https://xkcd.com/1938/

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L1318[21:09:13] <Draconiator> Wooooo that was close. I thought I was orbiting the other way around Ike and nearly slammed my huge ship into it.

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L1339[22:51:11] <Neal> hm. duna sample return is going to be tough at my current tech tree level

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L1347[23:15:19] <Draconiator> Oh gfreat....people are saying now we died in 2012 and the LHC just replaced us all with our alternate universe counterpart...

L1348[23:16:09] <taniwha> Draconiator: just laugh

L1349[23:16:24] <taniwha> well, do the WGFP, then laugh :)

L1350[23:18:15] <Althego> wgfp?

L1351[23:18:24] <taniwha> weapons grade face palm

L1352[23:18:50] <TheKosmonaut> Wild Goose Fight Protection

L1353[23:19:01] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: how can that make any sense?

L1354[23:20:17] <taniwha> heh, top link from google is TTA's t-shirt

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L1357[23:37:10] <Draconiator> https://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume4/v4i4/chickfig1.jpg - yeesh, SOMEONE had too much time on their hands...

L1358[23:37:41] <Neal> 2/4 of my landing legs burned off during reentry so now I've got a biped lander https://i.imgur.com/F6U4v1c.png

L1359[23:37:58] <Neal> looks strangely humanoid

L1360[23:38:37] <Althego> hehe

L1361[23:38:50] <Neal> dunno how it balances with SAS off

L1362[23:38:54] <Neal> magic

L1363[23:39:20] <Althego> it is perfectly symmetrical and the legs have larger than zero contact area with the ground

L1364[23:39:21] <ConductingCat> LHC replaced our flat Earth with a round one.

L1365[23:39:27] <Althego> good

L1366[23:39:35] <Althego> flat earth would be horrible

L1367[23:40:03] <Neal> I'd expend the collision modeling to treat the landing legs as single points of contact, not plates

L1368[23:40:12] <ConductingCat> Steel fuel can't melt jet beams.

L1369[23:40:15] <Althego> can be

L1370[23:41:14] <Neal> either way mun sample return was an astounding success other than forgetting to install a thermometer, barometer, and the legs burning off

L1371[23:42:08] <Althego> hehe

L1372[23:42:21] <Althego> i hate that in stock you cant have sample return without a kerbal

L1373[23:43:12] <Neal> oh yeah, they really need to add a mechanical arm or something

L1374[23:43:22] <Althego> not even that

L1375[23:43:28] <Althego> you cant see how the kerbal takes the sample

L1376[23:43:33] <Althego> it is just a menu item

L1377[23:43:46] <Neal> dusts off xer shoes inside the cabin

L1378[23:43:46] <Althego> maybe a part or certain probe cores could just take surface sample from the enu

L1379[23:44:11] <taniwha> Althego: I remember when we were promised new animations :(

L1380[23:44:19] <Althego> i dont :)

L1381[23:58:09] <taniwha> it was in one of the weekly updates

L1382[23:58:18] <taniwha> back before 1.1 came out