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L12[01:53:06] <Figs> Does anyone know how
to move the camera vertically when flying a craft?
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L22[02:58:23] <darsie> Figs (who is gone):
You can change camera settings with v and tilt the view with the
mouse while holding the middle mouse button.
L23[02:58:40] <darsie> Will reset when you
change the view.
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L38[05:00:08] <JCB> mm.. ring?
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L52[06:39:35] <Fluburtur> my computer is
telling me that I have no internet
L53[06:39:53] <snow> I think it's
lying
L54[06:40:01] <Fluburtur> yeah it might
be
L55[06:44:42] <JCB> ... its blind
L56[06:45:04] <JCB> also.. heyos
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L58[06:53:52] <sandbox_> mine does that too
sometimes
L59[06:54:25] <sandbox_> IRC still works
but nothing else
L60[06:54:35] <Mat2ch> .oO( I have linux.
Everything is working as expected ;P )
L61[06:55:00] <Mat2ch> and if not, I'm
going to debug the something out of it
L62[06:55:55] <JCB> irc... uses very tiny
bandwidth.. the computer probably figuring its below a limit, hense
doesn't think the net is working properly
L63[06:56:27] <Epi> dns could be
down?
L64[06:59:53] <petti> computers are needy..
it just wants to bug you for no particular reason
L65[07:03:49] <AASRaptor> *Bad computers
are needy.
L68[07:11:35] <Fluburtur> "yeah im a
security camera hunter"
L69[07:12:38] <Althego> hehehe
L70[07:14:42] <JCB> hmm... the days when
people shot at red light cameras..
L71[07:14:52] <JCB> then they went bullet
proof..
L72[07:15:43] <Mat2ch> just needs different
bullets... ;)
L73[07:16:03] <Fluburtur> just use spray
paint
L74[07:16:12] <Althego> hehe
L75[07:16:13] <Fluburtur> or a axo
acetylene torch
L76[07:16:16] <Fluburtur> oxy*
L77[07:16:17] <Althego> cut the cable
L78[07:16:53] <Mat2ch> Just drive a truck
over it
L79[07:17:35] <Mat2ch> Oh, we are at KSP
here. Stick a rocket to it and shoot it to the Mun!
L80[07:17:57] <Mat2ch> or deorbit a sat on
it
L81[07:18:16] <Fluburtur> btw I tried to
make a nose land retroboost rocket in ksp earlier
L82[07:18:18] <Fluburtur> was easy
L83[07:18:50] <Althego> landing on nose
with a rocket< lol
L84[07:19:05] <Althego> maybe you should
tell it to elon, they were trying the wrong way all the time
L85[07:19:10] <Fluburtur> yeah
L86[07:19:27] <Mat2ch> who knows... maybe
that's how they want to reuse the second stage. ;)
L87[07:19:47] <Fluburtur> well it kinda
need a rocket that is aerodynamically stable
L88[07:19:54] <Fluburtur> with fins at the
bottom
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L91[07:23:09] <JCB> suprised they couldn't
just land teh booster like a plane.. have it pop a set of wings out
like a cruise missile
L92[07:23:46] <JCB> also.. weird, my little
mini rover experiment crashed in the poke at KSP.. now its
phantom.. can just walk through it
L93[07:23:51] <Fluburtur> they would need a
runway then
L94[07:23:55] <JCB> poke... pond..
dang
L95[07:24:24] <JCB> already a runway at the
launch faclity
L96[07:24:39] <JCB> you know.. that thign
the shuttle used to land on back in the day?
L98[07:24:48] <kmath>
<Mianting_Zhang> Falcon Heavy Test Fire happening today! For
the first time in history, we witness the 27 Merlin engines fire at
onc…
https://t.co/Wh7OQP6fUv
L99[07:25:16] <Mat2ch> And it will launch
shortly after. I still bet on Sunday :D
L100[07:25:44] <Mat2ch> I hope the stress
by the sound of the 27 Merlin engines will not blow it
apart...
L101[07:27:31] <JCB> the rich only get
richer...
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L115[08:19:58] <Althego> can we detect a
deathstar?
L116[08:23:36] <Fluburtur> I went to fly
my bigS wing to trim it for my friend
L117[08:23:39] <Fluburtur> was well
needed
L118[08:23:56] <Fluburtur> but now he will
have no problem piloting it while I ram my plane into his
L119[08:37:28] <RandomJeb> Althego: of
course we can it's a pretty big lump of metal with all sorts of
radiation leaking out of it
L120[08:38:05] <RandomJeb> we have
detectors that can pick up on a lot less radiance and smaller lumps
of metal than a death star
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L125[08:42:42] <JCB> we picked up our
little stone visitor passing through the system..
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L127[08:57:49] <madmerlyn> man it's been
so long since I've done proper algebra my brain is being a dumb
slug when trying to formulate a mass efficiency calculation
heh
L128[08:58:23] <madmerlyn> I'm working on
putting together a USI-LS most efficient mass calculator that will
tell you which recyclers+converters you need to bring to have
minimal life support mass
L129[08:59:29] <madmerlyn> like apparently
having recyclers in excess of your number of kerbals will still
give you savings until you realize the maximum recycler's
potential, ie if you have a RT5000 which is rated for 79% for 3
kerbals (at a whopping weight of 3.75t)
L130[09:00:08] <madmerlyn> you can add
additional RT500s which are only rated 60% for 1 kerbal, and you'll
receive that savings (6.804 supplies/day) until you cap out at 79%
total reduction
L131[09:00:33] <madmerlyn> so RT5000 + 6
RT500s would get you to about 78%, and 7 would put you way over and
cap at 79%
L132[09:01:00] <madmerlyn> RT500s only
weigh 100kg so they're incredibly mass efficient in that
scenario
L133[09:01:39] <madmerlyn> and this is
supposing a 6 kerbal mission
L134[09:02:04] <madmerlyn> but it would
apply to any number greater than the RT5000's base of 3
L135[09:02:29] <madmerlyn> 4 kerbals you'd
need probably only 2 RT500s to cap out that extra kerbal
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L137[09:03:50] <madmerlyn> maybe I just
need to wait until I'm down with morning coffee before I try to
encapsulate different calculations into equation components
heh
L138[09:03:56] <madmerlyn> done*
L139[09:17:15] <madmerlyn> ...and github
is down
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L141[09:20:15] <EricPoehlsen> yep
L142[09:20:34] <EricPoehlsen> looks like
it
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L144[09:20:49] <madmerlyn> so I'm still
trying to piece together the thought process dude on wiki wrote
about mass efficiency
L145[09:21:09] <EricPoehlsen> at least I
don't have to attribute the error to the crappy network I am on
right now
L146[09:21:12] <madmerlyn> he's claiming
it's 4k days before the RT5000 is more mass efficient for kerbals
than the RT500
L147[09:21:25] <madmerlyn> however,
granted I haven't factored in fertilizer converters yet
L148[09:22:06] <madmerlyn> I'm seeing a
mass difference for an 855 day mission with 3 kerbals, of 17.24
tons of supplies needed (not counting tank dry mass) with RT500s,
and 9t with RT5000
L149[09:22:41] <madmerlyn> the 5000 weighs
3.75 tons vs the 0.3t the 500s would take up, but even with the
added 3.45t you're still only at 12.45t instead of 17.24
L150[09:23:13] <madmerlyn> I'm guessing
the converters DO in fact bring those numbers down much smaller
though since 1 fertilizer turns into 11 supplies at the same
mass
L151[09:24:02] <madmerlyn> I guess
dividing the gross mass by 11 would give me a more accurate mass
total, but then I'd have to add in the dry mass of the
converter
L152[09:24:11] <EricPoehlsen> My last Duna
mission had to few greenhouses
L153[09:24:18] <EricPoehlsen> so they
stayed fed
L154[09:24:35] <EricPoehlsen> but the
supply-level was between 0 an 0.1 all the time
L155[09:24:43] <madmerlyn> yeah I'm
writing a calculator that will show which configuration of USI-LS
parts would be most mass efficient
L156[09:24:46] <EricPoehlsen> while the
fertilzer slowly went down
L157[09:25:02] <madmerlyn> I mean the
objective is to keep them fed, not have a surplus
L158[09:25:09] <EricPoehlsen> hmm I am
building my ships with 'style' in mind not just for pure
efficiency
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L160[09:25:32] <madmerlyn> well you have
more room for style when you're not lugging around a bunch of dead
weight ;)
L161[09:26:04] <madmerlyn> most efficient
mass gives you a starting point for your LS system so you can build
the rest of your ship around that
L162[09:26:10] <Mat2ch> Uhm, I have one
question...
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L164[09:26:23] <EricPoehlsen> Ask
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L166[09:26:32] <Mat2ch> There's a SpaceX
youtube video about the Zuma mission
L167[09:26:38] <EricPoehlsen> yep
L168[09:26:42] <Mat2ch> Which has a
picture to click on
L169[09:26:47] <Mat2ch> there's a sat in
the picture
L170[09:26:53] <EricPoehlsen> ok?
L171[09:27:07] <Mat2ch> I wonder how that
happend
L172[09:27:17] <Mat2ch> we shouldn't have
any picture of that
L173[09:27:20] <Mat2ch> not even a small
one...
L174[09:27:24] <madmerlyn> supposed to be
a NRO launch today IIRC
L175[09:27:28] <EricPoehlsen> I have only
seen the video - showing first stage - first stage separation and
first stage landing
L178[09:29:51] <RoboFreak> what is
that
L179[09:29:54] <RoboFreak> today?
L180[09:30:17] <Mat2ch> Ah, ok, that's
from a promo video and not Zuma itself
L181[09:30:22] <RoboFreak> eh i left in
the client
L182[09:31:08] <RoboFreak> delta nreol 47
scrubbed
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L185[09:32:45] <APlayer> Hi there!
L186[09:32:53] <Althego> ah maybe it was
scrubbed yesterday, so it launches today
L187[09:33:19] <Althego> there should be a
rocket called delta v
L188[09:33:27] <APlayer> ...no
L189[09:33:37] <APlayer> Not really
L190[09:34:35] <APlayer> (Although I guess
the engineer that gave the Delta's their name probably hoped that
it would eventually reach a count of 5:D)
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L192[09:34:54] <APlayer> Deltas, no
apostrophe in there
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L196[09:46:04] <Draconiator> Here's
something weird I noticed, the WHiplash engines actually gain
thrust at high altitudes. I have a plane with two of them, and it
actually slows down a bit on ascent, but then around 8000m or so it
starts speeding up again.
L197[09:47:02] <Althego> there is the
atmosphere curve and the velocity curve
L198[09:47:18] <Althego> i remember at
least one has a kind of flat part in the middle
L199[09:47:36] <Althego> so the resulting
thrust obviously will have a peak
L200[09:47:56] <madmerlyn> I think the
thrust ramps up at altitude because you're going faster and airflow
is increased
L201[09:48:03] <Althego> exactly
L202[09:48:39] <madmerlyn> and at the 8km
mark the atmosphere is thinner so there's less drag resistance, but
it's still thick enough to ramp up your intakes
L203[09:49:04] <Althego> yes, the flat
part is between 5 and 10 km altitude
L204[09:49:27] <Draconiator> Ah, that's
what's happenning.
L205[09:49:37] <Althego> and the speed
peak is around mach 3
L206[09:51:19] <Draconiator> yeah I'm
going around 800m/s at 10.5km right now
L207[09:53:33] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch Althego
I technically got the canadair "flying"
L208[09:53:49] <Althego> didi it non
technically crash?
L209[09:54:00] <Fluburtur> well it is
still in one piece and working
L210[09:57:24] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: Where's
the "but"? :D
L211[09:57:35] <Mat2ch> also it's cold and
wet outside
L212[09:57:45] <Fluburtur> it has big
control surfaces so I will need to dial the rates down
L213[09:58:16] <Mat2ch> ah, ok.
L214[09:58:22] <Mat2ch> It was a bit
reactive
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L217[09:59:37] <madmerlyn> what I find
curious with some of the USI-LS masses, Nom 25000 is exactly 5
times the production rate, and approimately 90% of the mass as 5
Nom 5000s would be, so there's a slight savings
L218[10:00:11] <madmerlyn> but the Nom
25000-I is exactly twice the production rate as the 25000, but is
approximately 115% the mass of 2 Nom 25000s
L219[10:00:18] <madmerlyn> so it's less
mass efficient
L220[10:00:24] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: oh,
that's a nie shot
L221[10:00:26] <Mat2ch> *nice
L222[10:00:29] <madmerlyn> I guess it's
the convenience tax of it being inline?
L223[10:00:38] <Fluburtur> yeah I wanted
shots of it sliding on the water
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L227[10:09:09] <Fluburtur> madmerlyn you
see that?
L228[10:09:15] <Fluburtur> also where is
transitbiker
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L230[10:09:29] <madmerlyn> doesn't look
very hydrophobic
L231[10:09:40] <Fluburtur> it doesn't have
to
L232[10:12:31] <Fluburtur> just needs to
have the water slide off
L233[10:13:28] <madmerlyn> looks like
using MPL by itself as recycler for a 855 day mission would require
92kg more mass than running a MPL + 3 RT-500s, heh
L234[10:13:48] <madmerlyn> I need to graph
this so I can see the point of break even
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L237[10:19:39] <kmath> YouTube - canadair
fast water taxi
L238[10:29:04] <technicalfool> forums
going down shortly, scheduled security update.
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L241[10:29:35] <APlayer> Is Zuma being
hooked up?
L242[10:29:42] <APlayer> To the KSP
forums?
L243[10:29:58] <JCB> think they spying on
us?
L244[10:31:06] <APlayer> "scheduled
security update" sounds kind of secretive, so who knows?
L245[10:31:38] <JCB> scheduled...
huh?
L246[10:32:00] <technicalfool> yep, ManeTI
is really an NSA operative. The forums are a front for finding
potentially dangerous people with knowledge of rocketry. What, you
didn't figure it out?
L247[10:32:56] <APlayer> Aww, man, I was
just figuring out how to launch a rocket to get some good pics of
the last secret government projects
L248[10:34:28] <JCB> meh... more
costeffective to stick cameras on weather ballons
L249[10:36:31] <APlayer> So, JCB was an
undercover agent all along and is now trying to lure us away from
the truth? :P
L250[10:38:42] <madmerlyn> man I'm super
rusty with python, ugh
L251[10:38:46] <GlassYuri> ...there are no
youtube videos on shooting a gun in freefall
L252[10:38:54] <Althego> lol
L253[10:39:08] <GlassYuri> I'm honestly
disappointed
L254[10:39:08] <APlayer> GlassYuri: Is
this a form of NASA investigated propulsion?
L255[10:39:21] <APlayer> What's the
specific impulse range?
L256[10:39:36] <Althego> i think there is
an xkcd on a kalashnikov powered rocket propulsion
L257[10:39:53] <technicalfool> well
there's an XKCD on near enouogh everything by now.
L258[10:40:01] <Althego> no it is a what
if
L259[10:40:02] <GlassYuri> APlayer, no, I
just had a super ridiculous fight scene play out in my head and
wanted to look up some potentially useful information
L260[10:40:11] <APlayer> LOL
L261[10:40:55] <technicalfool> well,
unless you're thinking a GAU-8 might be in the mix, I dunno if the
skydivers are going to be pew-pewing at each other and flying
backward.
L262[10:41:10] <Althego> there must be a
bollywood film that has the exact scene you imagined :)
L263[10:41:27] <technicalfool> the xkcd
what if describes the thrust from an AK47 as being enouogh to maybe
lift a squirrel.
L264[10:41:43] <technicalfool> (including
the mass of the gun)
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L266[10:42:11] <technicalfool> so unless
youor skydivers are flying skwerls...
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L270[10:43:42] <kmath> YouTube - GoPro:
Shotgun Balloon Drop
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L272[10:43:58] <Althego> universal serial
bus, eh? never seemed like that to me
L273[10:44:52] <technicalfool> it's a lot
more uninversal than the old Nokia charger, anything that plugged
into a phone before USB became a standard... or pretty much any
socket or plug Apple ever made ever.
L274[10:45:09] <Althego> yes, apple just
wants your money
L275[10:45:20] <Althego> however there ar
at least a dozen types of usb plugs
L276[10:45:38] <technicalfool> (this is
not an exclusive Apple trait. But Apple do rather like to
"think different".)
L277[10:45:41] <AASRaptor> Notice how the
charger supports both both iPhone ports.
L278[10:45:52] <AASRaptor> And ?USB
L279[10:46:03] <technicalfool> well of
course.
L280[10:46:35] <technicalfool> thouogh
thre is a depressing lack of Nokia needle-pin.
L281[10:48:24] <Althego> i guess the final
solution to this will be the wireless charging only phones
L282[10:48:32] <Althego> or not
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L284[10:50:59] <Althego> so did the zuma
launch failed or not?
L285[10:51:31] <technicalfool> the reports
so far are that it failed due to not separating frrom the upper
stage when commanded.
L286[10:51:37] <Althego> or whatever the
outcome is, that is just what they want us to believe?
L287[10:51:46] <AASRaptor> Althego: like
the Palm Pre?
L288[10:52:29] <technicalfool> and
wireless charging is horrendously inefficient. You have fun with
it, I'll not spend half the energy heating up the phone, the pad
and the air around it.
L289[10:53:21] <technicalfool> (also enjoy
your at-least-two different and incompatible wireless charging
standards)
L290[10:54:12] <technicalfool> and forums
apparently back up.
L291[10:55:35] <Althego> wireless charging
would only mean sense to me if it could charge a phone anywhere in
the room
L292[10:55:48] <Althego> if you have to
put it down on a pad, it is in fact worse than wired
L293[10:55:55] <Althego> i can pick up a
phone with the wire on
L294[10:56:02] <Althego> ans still have it
charging
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L296[11:02:15] *
JCB messing with designs for little rovers... though make it one or
two person?
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L298[11:04:17] <APlayer> JCB: IMHO,
anything that is large enough to fit a person is not
"little" anymore :P
L300[11:05:35] <kmath> YouTube - Rover
Roll Test
L301[11:06:01] <JCB> just trying to make
something small, maybe enough to fit into the service bay..
L302[11:09:47] <JCB> eh... though does
cause some conern when leaving a command seat, kerbal tends to
'eject' into a spot above nad just fall
L303[11:09:48] *
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L304[11:10:58] <JCB> umm. ok...
L305[11:11:09] <JCB> switching around,
somehow kerbal ended up inside the roof..
L306[11:12:07] <JCB> oooh kay... make a
note: don't try possing under the entry roof at the admin
building
L307[11:12:42] <JCB> switching vessels
tends to cause things to 'jump' spontainiously... rover went 200
feet in the air suddenly, crashed on top of the building
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L310[11:15:19] <Althego> i had a smaller
rover once
L311[11:15:23] <Althego> only 4
wheels
L312[11:15:26] <Althego> with 2
kerbals
L313[11:16:01] <Althego> i had to fit it
in a saturn 5 replica on the side of the lem
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L322[11:28:24] <APlayer> (Yes I only now
saw it was already over when I changed the topic the first
time)
L323[11:28:51] <APlayer> Anyway, I am off
for now, be back soon.
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L325[11:31:42] <madmerlyn> I wish
downvoting on kerbalx didn't take points away from you
L326[11:31:51] <madmerlyn> there are so
many garbage craft cluttering up everything there
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L336[12:04:40] <Mat2ch> Looks like the
static fire test was scrubbed for today
L337[12:04:55] <icefire> should have used
a dynamic test instead
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L340[12:06:05] <ve2dmn> icefire: you can
just typecast like that
L341[12:06:20] <ve2dmn> but not IRL
L342[12:06:44] <ve2dmn> I called in sick
today
L344[12:06:45] <kmath>
<SpaceflightNow> SpaceX has called off a planned static fire
test of the first Falcon Heavy rocket today after fueling it for
the fi…
https://t.co/zG4Q7PJZBt
L345[12:07:33] <ve2dmn> migraines are no
fun
L346[12:07:47] <madmerlyn> you shouldn't
call your children that
L347[12:09:05] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I'm not
the one making the calls in this situations
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L349[12:09:46] <ve2dmn> I'm gonna go and
try to get fresh air
L350[12:10:36] <madmerlyn> so SpaceX is
supposed to do their first crewed flight to the ISS this year
L351[12:11:03] <Mat2ch> Uhm... they didn't
even do their inflight abort test
L352[12:11:09] <Mat2ch> or an orbit
L353[12:11:12] <Mat2ch> or something
L354[12:11:46] <APlayer> Since when does
SpaceX do things by the time they're supposed to do them?
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L359[12:16:03] <Mat2ch> I still think it's
sad that their first capsules wont land on their feet :|
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L361[12:17:08] <madmerlyn> they're
scrapping the propulsive landings because it would take longer to
get certified I guess, and they're no longer planning on using
Dragon as a route to Mars
L362[12:17:08] <Guest57007> Hey
L363[12:17:16] <Guest57007> Need help with
smthg
L364[12:17:23] <Guest57007> Is there
anyone here?
L365[12:17:33] <madmerlyn> uh.. yes
L366[12:17:38] <Gasher> Guest57007, i
suppose?
L367[12:17:44] <Guest57007> Hello
L368[12:17:45] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest57007
L369[12:18:46] <Guest57007> Wai
L370[12:18:48] <Guest57007> t
L371[12:19:34] <Guest57007> Sorry
L372[12:19:38] <Guest57007> Something
happened
L373[12:19:42] <Guest57007> I have to
go
L374[12:19:48] <Guest57007> I'll be around
later
L375[12:19:56] <Guest57007> See ya
guys!
L376[12:19:58] <Guest57007> :)
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L378[12:20:36] <madmerlyn> ok then
L379[12:20:50] <APlayer> Well, at least
this one excused himself
L380[12:20:53] <Gasher> taht was fun
L381[12:21:01] <APlayer> More polite than
average
L382[12:21:24] <madmerlyn> "More
polite than average" said no one in regards to me
L383[12:21:25] <madmerlyn> :D
L384[12:21:38] <APlayer> Though, the
abbreviation "smthg" intrigued me
L385[12:21:45] <madmerlyn> "what's
the magic word?" Now. The magic word is now, mom.
L386[12:22:08] <APlayer> Either you type a
word out, or you are lazy/in a rush/whatever and use short forms,
which, in this case, means "sth"
L387[12:22:41] <APlayer> "smthg"
was a weird hybrid between these two, and I have no idea why
someone would use it
L388[12:22:45] <madmerlyn> I prefer to
just smash my face on the keyboard when I'm in a hurryhnkasdn
L389[12:23:13] *
APlayer smashes madmerlyn with another keyboard and hopes this will
help with the madness problem
L390[12:23:30] <madmerlyn> madness is in
my name
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L392[12:23:43] <APlayer> You know, like
smashing an electronic appliance may help in fixing a bad
contact
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L394[12:24:06] <madmerlyn> slapping TV
sets worked in the CRT days, I think that's where the behavior
originated
L395[12:24:07] <APlayer> Could be that
some of your neuron connections went bad or so :P
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L398[12:24:34] <Gasher> madmerlyn, same
with misbehaving children
L399[12:24:42] <madmerlyn> I never stopped
to think why slapping a TV sometimes made the signal come in
heh
L400[12:24:57] <madmerlyn> I do remember
it distinctly working when I was very little though
L401[12:25:18] <madmerlyn> you'd have the
picture scrolling up, slap the TV and it goes stable
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L403[12:27:23] <Gasher> i used that for
the CRt that did not "start"
L404[12:27:24] <APlayer> We don't have
autonomous gas stations here in Germany, so naturally we avoided
them when we saw some in Spain. But one day, we had no choice but
to use one. We paid 50€... and no gas came out. We moved to a
different terminal (or however you call those places where the gas
hoses are), paid 10€... and no gas came out. My dad suddenly got
mad and kicked the thing. That's when it started working.
L405[12:27:54] <APlayer> Kicking the one
that ate 50€ (intentionally, this time) did not work, though
L406[12:27:55] <madmerlyn> did he go kick
the clerk to get his money back too?
L407[12:28:05] <APlayer> There was no
staff
L408[12:28:13] <Gasher> APlayer, well it's
good that the similar experience with italian autonomous gas
station that we had did not include beating anything
L409[12:28:18] <madmerlyn> fuel station
with no attendant whatsoever? heresy.
L410[12:28:22] <Gasher> yeah
L411[12:28:36] <APlayer> Hence we avoided
them. Foreign country, no German or even English instructions, no
idea how autonomous gas stations work...
L412[12:28:52] <Gasher> italian ones have
clercs during daytime and then they are autonomous at night
L413[12:29:00] <Gasher> APlayer, lol
same
L414[12:29:02] <madmerlyn> I suspect when
the cars start driving themselves there will be maintenance shops
run by robots too
L415[12:29:08] <GlassYuri> ...so if you
want to correct your DPI settings in windows 7, you somehow have to
enter it as a percentage of 96, and for confirmation it shows a
ruler in inches
L416[12:29:16] <madmerlyn> imagine not
having to take time off work or get a rental when you need new
tires
L417[12:29:25] <madmerlyn> car just drives
off after dropping you off to go get maintenance
L418[12:29:48] <GlassYuri> of all the
measuring tools I have NONE have a scale in inferior units
L419[12:30:13] <madmerlyn> course I'm sure
the legal system will have all kinds of gymnastics to establish
once cars are capable of driving themselves around
L420[12:30:30] <APlayer> "Your
car-o-matic system decided that maintenance is required. Adjusting
course to arrive at the next maintenance shop, on track to arrive
in 10 minutes"
L421[12:30:37] <madmerlyn> lawyers gotta
establish who's liable when KITT hits someone's mailbox with no one
inside
L422[12:30:52] <Mat2ch> eh, you will not
get a rental, because you will plan the maintenance in a way that
you're asleep while it happens.
L423[12:30:57] <Mat2ch> also the car will
drive itself there
L424[12:30:59] <Mat2ch> :D
L425[12:31:09] <madmerlyn> lol I imagine
it would be more like the car app on your personal device will ask
you when to schedule maintenance and recommend doing it during work
hours when you won't need the vehicle
L426[12:31:14] <GlassYuri> my steel ruler
has a 1mm scale on one side and .5mm on the other, my transparent
plastic ruler has metal plating so that it can guide a knife
L427[12:31:18] <APlayer> This will be the
day when someone utters "I wonder what my car's up to
today"
L428[12:31:25] <GlassYuri> everything else
has mm on both sides
L429[12:31:44] <APlayer> GlassYuri: 1 In =
2.56 cm, IIRC
L430[12:31:49] <Mat2ch> 2.54
L431[12:32:10] <APlayer> Good enough
L432[12:32:16] <GlassYuri> APlayer, that
is written on the back of the steel ruler at least
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L434[12:32:24] <Mat2ch> I know this. I've
done electronic designs
L435[12:32:26] <Mat2ch> it sucks :P
L436[12:32:40] <madmerlyn> "wanna go
to lunch" "sure, but we need to take your car, mine
hasn't driven back from the shop yet"
L437[12:32:46] <APlayer> "Trust me,
I'm an engineer"-style?
L438[12:33:05] <Fluburtur> there is one
problem with the canadair
L439[12:33:14] <madmerlyn> it got
wet?
L440[12:33:19] <Fluburtur> the inside of
the tail gets wet
L441[12:33:27] <APlayer> madmerlyn: When
"My car was in a bad mood, wouldn't take me to work"
becomes a valid excuse
L442[12:33:42] <Fluburtur> the tail is
cardboard and tape so I need to try it and make it watertight
L443[12:33:42] <madmerlyn> lol I don't
think car AIs will be that advanced
L444[12:34:15] <madmerlyn> although I do
imagine a traffic utopia where there are no human drivers left and
thus no traffic jams caused by morons not being considerate or
aware on the road
L445[12:34:23] <Mat2ch> "You're too
drunk and may vomit in the car. Your wife doesn't like that. Please
walk." then drives next to you to be able to call an ambulance
in case you trip or something
L446[12:34:30] <APlayer> Fluburtur: Make
the tail wag when it gets wet. This enhances the drying process and
also makes sure your plane has some personality
L447[12:34:33] <Mat2ch> APlayer: yeah, in
that style.
L448[12:34:40] <Fluburtur> lel
L449[12:35:19] <GlassYuri> so for that
percentage, it doesn't accept decimal digits
L450[12:35:30] <Mat2ch> I've done so many
things in my life... still haven't found a thing I wanna do for the
rest of my life
L451[12:35:37] <APlayer> So, there will be
no bus driver to pay him, but something like a parking ticket
machine?
L452[12:36:01] <madmerlyn> Mat2ch welcome
to life.
L453[12:36:08] <madmerlyn> at least you
don't pass butter.
L454[12:36:09] <GlassYuri> why is this
even a problem, there should be a dialog where you enter your
screen diagonal and it goes automatic from there
L455[12:36:11] <Gasher> APlayer, we have a
turnstiles on buses here
L456[12:36:28] <Mat2ch> madmerlyn: never
tried, maybe it's fun
L457[12:36:34] <APlayer> Well, we don't
really
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L459[12:36:41] <madmerlyn> butter bot
seemed to find it rather mundane
L460[12:37:06] <madmerlyn> hope we don't
have to wait another 2 years for another season of Rick and
Morty
L461[12:37:07] <APlayer> When the station
is particularly crowded, the bus drivers also let people in at the
back of the bus
L462[12:37:17] <Mat2ch> no appreciation
for its creator...
L463[12:37:47] <APlayer> Mat2ch: I bet I
do know at least one thing you want to do
L464[12:37:51] <madmerlyn> I mean the
irony of it was that he made a sentient being to pass butter, what
a cruel monster :P
L465[12:38:08] <APlayer> It involves lungs
:P
L466[12:38:34] <APlayer> Alright, /me
switches off "uncontrollable bad jokes"-mode
L467[12:38:50] <Mat2ch> we're sentient
beings and let us bring the butter at a restaurant...
L468[12:39:29] <Mat2ch> woah, that joke
from Rick and Morty gets a whole new meaning
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L471[12:43:05] <GlassYuri> ;choose
voluntarily sleep | listen to kabaneri soundtrack until falling off
chair from exhaustion
L472[12:43:05] <kmath> GlassYuri:
voluntarily sleep
L473[12:43:18] <GlassYuri> kmath, the
voice of reason
L474[12:44:04] <madmerlyn> I've seen every
episode of Forged in Fire like twice now, so my "run
down" routine at the end of the night is going back to
rewatching my complete collection of Mythbusters on plex
L475[12:44:38] <madmerlyn> I have all of
them except the final season that didn't have Tory Grant and Kari
on it
L476[12:44:51] <madmerlyn> apparently
didn't miss much on that last season anyway
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L481[13:01:43] <Draconiator> What
officially is the name of the KSP unit of currency? Kredits?
Funds?...um...Greenbacks?
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L483[13:01:53] <Fluburtur> kredits I
think
L484[13:01:59] <Fluburtur> someone was
using spesos however
L485[13:02:02] <Althego> i think
funds
L486[13:02:14] <Althego> but people call
them kerbucks and spesos
L487[13:02:28] <Althego> is there an
official name for the sun?
L488[13:03:24] <Mat2ch> in KSP?
L489[13:03:30] <Althego> yes
L490[13:03:34] <Fluburtur> kerbol
L491[13:03:39] <Althego> there is kerbol,
but is that official?
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L494[13:08:14] <sandbox_> nope
L495[13:10:46] <madmerlyn> yes Kerbol is
official
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L497[13:11:02] <madmerlyn> if you tab
between the planets in Map view, it calls the star Kerbol
L498[13:11:11] <madmerlyn> and currency is
funds
L499[13:11:27] <sandbox_> when did that
change?
L500[13:11:38] <madmerlyn> it's always
been Kerbol as far as I know
L501[13:11:47] <Althego> yes i remember it
was unofficial, kind of placeholder name
L502[13:11:51] <sandbox_> definitely
wasn't
L503[13:12:08] <Althego> oh well, i guess
it became the de facto name
L504[13:12:13] <Althego> like the mohole
is no official biome
L505[13:12:18] <sandbox_> and I could've
sworn the previous management weren't a fan of the name
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L507[13:12:24] <madmerlyn> it was named
Kerbol in 0.11
L509[13:13:03] <madmerlyn> Before version
0.11, which introduced an object for KSP's parent star and an
orbital Map view where it was explicitly named
L510[13:13:46] <madmerlyn> oh, it's called
the Sun in game
L511[13:13:57] <madmerlyn> I could've
sworn it said Kerbol when I tabbed it
L512[13:14:21] <madmerlyn> they did use
the language "Kerbol System" in 1.2 release post
though
L513[13:14:57] <Althego> yes, the game
says the sun
L514[13:15:08] <Althego> even in the
info
L515[13:15:11] <madmerlyn> maybe one of my
mods changes it
L516[13:15:12] <Althego> and if you tab to
it also
L517[13:15:31] <Althego> anyway i never
liked the funds
L518[13:15:41] <Althego> it is like we
were so lazy never even bothered to give it a name
L519[13:15:48] <madmerlyn> spesos sounds
like spaceos and features the native currency of squad
L520[13:18:33] <Althego> obviously
L521[13:32:27] <ve2dmn> back
L522[13:32:34] <Althego> front
L523[13:32:49] <ve2dmn> up
L524[13:33:08] <Althego> down
L525[13:33:19] <madmerlyn> and then
what
L526[13:33:33] <ve2dmn> Then you DO THE
MARIO!
L527[13:33:45] <ve2dmn> (or
something)
L528[13:34:20] <Althego> or maybe konami
code
L530[13:35:16] <kmath> YouTube - Super
Mario Brothers Super Show Credits - Do the Mario!
L531[13:44:49] <ve2dmn> Since I still feel
like crap, I'm gonna go sit in front of the TV and watch 45 videos
of a guy playing Citie:skylines
L532[13:44:51] <ve2dmn> bbl
L533[13:50:45] <Fluburtur> I want the
natural disasters dlc
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L541[14:06:36] <Jadoks> Hi
L542[14:06:37] <Mod9000> Hello,
Jadoks
L543[14:06:50] <Jadoks> How are you
doing?
L544[14:06:56] <APlayer> Perfectly!
L545[14:07:03] <Jadoks> Nice
L546[14:07:04] <Jadoks> Guys
L547[14:07:52] <Jadoks> Do you know where
I can find like the most popular mods and updated to 1.3.1
L548[14:08:11] <APlayer> I use
spacedock.info for mods, but there are many sites
L549[14:08:14] <Jadoks> I'm looking for
mods that make KSP more realistic
L550[14:08:27] <APlayer> How far do you
want to go with that?
L551[14:08:55] <APlayer> The extreme is
Realism Overhaul, but to my knowledge it only supports 1.2
L552[14:08:57] <Jadoks> Not as far as RPO,
RO and RSS and all that
L553[14:09:17] <APlayer> Alright, you may
want to have a look at my setup, then
L554[14:09:25] <Jadoks> I want just
realism in KSP, in the Kerbin System
L555[14:09:29] <APlayer> Because I am
pretty much the same in that regard :D
L556[14:09:38] <Jadoks> Hahahaha
L557[14:09:47] <Jadoks> How do we do
so?
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L559[14:10:11] <APlayer> Well, let me have
a look at my GameData and I will name the most essential gameplay
altering mods of mine
L560[14:10:24] <Jadoks> Okay, great
L561[14:10:35] <Jadoks> Thanks :)
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L563[14:16:49] <APlayer> So, I'd recommend
you KIS, KAS, Kerbalism, Kerbal Launch Failure, kOS (if you like
programming!), KScale64, Near Future Technologies, OPM, Persistent
Rotation, SCANsat, SEP, Cryogenic Engines, Kerbal Atomics, and a MM
patch to nerf your reaction wheels
L564[14:17:15] <APlayer> Those are mainly
gameplay altering mods, I seriously recommend parts packs to go
with them
L565[14:17:26] <APlayer> All of them work
on my 1.3 setup, though
L566[14:17:56] <Jadoks> And parts
mods
L567[14:17:59] <Jadoks> Like
L568[14:18:04] <Jadoks> KW Rocketry?
L569[14:18:11] <Jadoks> Do you like
that?
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L571[14:18:24] <APlayer> KScale64, or
rather, its dependency SigmaDimensions causes graphic issues, aside
from that it seems to work well together
L572[14:18:32] <APlayer> No, I personally
don't use KWR
L573[14:18:39] <APlayer> I may list my
main parts packs
L574[14:19:05] <Jadoks> Oh, I really
appreciate that
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L576[14:19:51] <Jadoks> Do you have any
colonization mod? I was thinking of USI
L577[14:21:03] <Jadoks> MKS
L578[14:23:52] <APlayer> Cormorant
Aeronology (Space Shuttle parts), Cryogenic Engines (self
explanatory), DMagic Orbital Science (more experiments),
FuelTanksPlus (more fuel tank modularity), Heat Control (for those
NTRs and reactors), Kerbal Atomics (NTR part pack), Kerbetrotter
Ldt (Manned rovers), Mk2 Expansion (more plane parts), NFT suite
(near future parts for everything, includes ion propulsion, nuclear
reactors, solar power,
L579[14:23:52] <APlayer> ...), KBPS
(Planetary bases), Procedural Parts, RLA_Stockalike (tiny form
factor), SpaceY (large launchers), Station Parts Expansion
L580[14:24:10] <APlayer> No, I don't use
colonization mods
L581[14:25:12] <APlayer> I have a bunch of
smaller goodies, but they are mostly irrelevant
L582[14:25:20] <Jadoks> Oh
L583[14:25:26] <Jadoks> Thank you so
much
L584[14:25:29] <APlayer> But QoL mods like
KER and such are still nearly mandatory
L585[14:25:46] <Jadoks> I know I
know
L586[14:25:57] <Jadoks> What do you think
of MechJ
L587[14:26:01] <APlayer> So you've got to
set up tools to help build and fly things, else you will horribly
fail with delta-v budgets and whatnot
L588[14:26:24] <APlayer> I don't use MJ, I
prefer KER readouts and manual flying or kOS scripts
L589[14:27:04] <APlayer> But if you're not
the manual flight or programming guy, MJ seems like a good way to
cut on the parts of the game you dislike
L590[14:27:21] <Jadoks> I know, I like
manual
L591[14:27:35] <Jadoks> But no idea of
progaming, although I would like to learn
L592[14:27:51] <Jadoks> But I see it hard
and difficult for me...
L593[14:28:11] <Jadoks> Is there any good
guide to learn to program with python?
L594[14:29:05] <APlayer> The online
tutorial on python.org (I think?) is a good way to get
started
L595[14:29:15] <APlayer> kOS is a good
first language too, though
L596[14:29:32] <Jadoks> Is it actually a
language?
L597[14:29:38] <Jadoks> What does it stand
for?
L598[14:29:41] <Jadoks> Wow
L599[14:29:43] <APlayer> It adds an own
scripting language, yes
L600[14:29:48] <APlayer> Kerbal OS
L601[14:29:49] <APlayer> :D
L602[14:29:51] <Jadoks> I didn't know
that
L603[14:29:59] <Jadoks> Wow
L604[14:30:00] <Althego> i dont understand
why they couldnt use a normal scripting language
L605[14:30:01] <Jadoks> Nice
L606[14:30:09] <Althego> at least pick
lua, it is embeddable
L607[14:30:12] <APlayer> The language is
"Kerboscript", though
L608[14:30:23] <APlayer> Althego: It's a
very simple to learn language
L609[14:30:32] <Jadoks> Really?
L610[14:30:39] <Jadoks> I'll give it a
shot then
L611[14:30:43] <Jadoks> Guys
L612[14:30:46] <Jadoks> Have to go
L613[14:30:50] <Jadoks> APlayer
L614[14:30:51] <Althego> most programming
languages are designed to be easy to learn
L615[14:30:53] <APlayer> Jadoks: If you
want to start with that, though, get used to lots of maths and
control algorithms
L616[14:30:56] <Jadoks> Thank you so
much
L617[14:31:09] <APlayer> Alright, see
you!
L618[14:31:17] <Jadoks> Alright
L619[14:31:40] <APlayer> Althego: Well,
say, C has a rather steep learning curve
L620[14:31:58] <APlayer> Compared to that,
JavaScript or Lua are simple
L621[14:31:58] <Jadoks> I'll keep that in
mind
L622[14:32:21] <APlayer> But Kerboscript
is, like, totally simple. The hard part are the maths
L623[14:32:44] <Althego> because you have
to understand how a computer actually works?
L624[14:32:49] <Althego> hardly
L625[14:32:55] <Althego> c++
however...
L626[14:33:24] <APlayer> Also, Kerboscript
is good for beginners for another reason. Most languages you start
with only allow you to program consoles at first. Kerboscript gives
you immediate visual feedback and satisfaction, which motivates a
lot
L627[14:33:27] <Althego> i doubt anybody
can even try to get close of complete understanding of c++
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L629[14:34:22] <APlayer> Althego: C is
difficult as a first language because, as a non-programmer, you are
confronted with pointers, objects and a whole lot of concepts you
have no idea how to deal with
L630[14:34:35] <APlayer> Python is much
better in that regard, for example
L631[14:34:46] <APlayer> C is just too
low-level for beginners
L632[14:35:11] <Althego> the problem with
python that it mixes all the paradigms
L633[14:36:03] <APlayer> It sure is weird
given its use of indentation and similar, but it is a good way to
"go gentle" on programming beginners
L634[14:36:33] <Althego> and i dont see
how a pointer is a difficult concept
L635[14:36:41] <APlayer> You're a
programmer
L636[14:36:51] <APlayer> What was your
first language?
L637[14:36:56] <Althego> pascal
L638[14:37:00] <Althego> long time
ago
L639[14:37:08] <APlayer> Ah, zero
experience with that
L640[14:37:23] <APlayer> But anyway, IIRC
it is fairly high level
L641[14:37:42] <Althego> not really higher
than c
L642[14:37:47] <APlayer> Alright
then
L643[14:38:10] <APlayer> But back then you
probably had not much choice, did you?
L644[14:38:26] <Althego> the hardest thing
in pointers in pascal was the idiotic syntax: when the ^ is in the
front or the end
L645[14:39:05] <Althego> there was not
much going on in dos
L646[14:39:37] <APlayer> So, as a first
language you probably want something procedural (OOP is too
abstract for that), and as high level as possible
L647[14:40:01] <Althego> and for that
python is a faulire, because it can have both oop and functional
elements
L648[14:40:09] <APlayer> Because those are
the languages that allow you to focus on the concept of programming
and not the concept of computer
L649[14:40:23] <APlayer> I don't say it
has to be purely procedural
L650[14:40:48] <APlayer> But you don't
want to be force-confronted with OOP with no way around it, at
first
L651[14:43:33] <APlayer> Anyway, my first
language was on a calculator and it was a sort of Basic (TI-Basic,
if that's a thing to you). The second one was PHP, in its
procedural form. And only somewhen after that I learned a low level
language (on a calculator too, it was a compiler made by the
community).
L652[14:43:46] <Althego> ok, i could
consider basic my first
L653[14:43:50] <Althego> on c64
L654[14:43:55] <Althego> but wasnt
really
L655[14:43:55] <APlayer> There you go,
then
L656[14:45:22] <APlayer> As for OOP, I
only learned the concept somewhen after the low level language, and
started using it in C++ and JS much later
L657[14:46:31] <APlayer> I have to say
that, from learning experience, this was a rather manageable path
to take, and I can also say that attempts to learn a low level
language too soon are painful, because I did attempt to.
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L661[14:54:57] <JCB> egh...
L662[14:55:07] <JCB> command
seats...
L663[14:55:11] <JCB> more like ejctor
seats..
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L665[15:09:19] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L673[15:56:46] <Mathuin> synack
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anyone around here familiar with the interstellar beamed power
mechanics?
L679[16:04:48] <ve2dmn> sorry, no
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L682[16:07:38] <ve2dmn> I'm trying to
understand how I can come up with a maneuver node if I have only 2
points (PE and AP) of the future orbit
L683[16:08:04] <Mathuin> Does it share
foci with the current orbit?
L684[16:08:26] <ve2dmn> it might not
L685[16:08:38] <ve2dmn> Trying to make a
randez-vous script
L686[16:08:41] <Mathuin> Same SOI?
L687[16:09:12] <ve2dmn> and I need to
first make sure I match at least 1 point between the 2 orbits
L688[16:09:52] <Mathuin> If both orbits
are around the same body, then Hofmann would probably be
smartest.
L689[16:10:01] <ve2dmn> so, same SOI, but
trying to match PE first
L690[16:10:11] <Mathuin> Wouldn't you
match planes first?
L691[16:10:20] <ve2dmn> That's already
been done :D
L692[16:10:59] <ve2dmn> Also, if you make
your rendez-vous point the AN, you 'could' match planes at final
approch
L693[16:11:05] <Mathuin> Okay, so you're
entering into say Munar orbit, there's a vessel at some
inclination/PE/AP, you match planes, now what. I'd circularize,
then match PE from circularizing.
L694[16:11:10] <ve2dmn> but it might be a
lot of dV
L695[16:11:56] <Mathuin> Hrm, maybe not
even circularize.
L696[16:12:10] <Mathuin> If you're in the
same plane, pick the part of your orbit opposite the PE.
L697[16:12:27] <Mathuin> Burn until you
expand the AP (or shrink the PE, depending on direction) so the
orbits touch.
L698[16:12:39] <Mathuin> Match AP after
matching PE.
L699[16:13:32] <ve2dmn> And how would you
dertermine the exact amount of dV and direction to make the
maneuvre node?
L700[16:14:34] <ve2dmn> That is what I was
trying to do
L701[16:15:02] <ve2dmn> I have 2 points on
the future orbit: the position of the ship and that 'matching'
point
L702[16:16:13] <Mathuin> Hmm. I don't
know. :-(
L703[16:16:14] <ve2dmn> should be easy
enough, but the Semi-major axis might not alignd, so it makes the
following manouver (making an encouter) a bit more tricky
L704[16:17:44] <ve2dmn> So it's an hoffman
transfert, but the there might be some Radial burning
involved
L705[16:18:48] <Mathuin> I guess I figure
that matching planes makes the radial go away
L706[16:18:52] <Mathuin> But I am probably
wrong.
L707[16:19:08] <ve2dmn> Of course, if the
initial transfert orbit is circular enough, that issue isn't
there...
L708[16:19:14] <ve2dmn> ...so I could just
do that
L709[16:19:31] <Mathuin> Thus my "I'd
circularize, then match PE from circularizing." :-)
L710[16:20:09] <ve2dmn> yeah... my LKO was
75kmx81km
L711[16:20:21] <ve2dmn> I guess it's
circular 'enough'
L712[16:21:23] <ve2dmn> not easy doing
this stuff with my current migraine
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L714[16:22:38] <ve2dmn> I need a better
circularising burn script I guess
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L716[16:23:39] <ve2dmn> Or a better wait
to make the circularising node
L717[16:23:40] <Phantom_Hoover> the tl;dr
here is that i need to beam 50MW of power from kerbin orbit to the
surface of minmus
L718[16:32:28] <Phantom_Hoover> huh looks
like microwaves and a smallish transmitter should do
L719[16:32:43] <Phantom_Hoover> still
don't reeeally get what the lasers etc. are for
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L721[16:41:18] <Phantom_Hoover> oh wow
microwaves will not do it at all
L722[16:41:32] <Malachite> rip nrol
launch
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L735[17:17:11] <ve2dmn> I found a free
game that is sort of like Factorio Lite with 8 bit
graphics...
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L738[17:17:54] <ve2dmn> ...send help
L740[17:22:52] <Mathuin> I got Blueprint
Tycoon for like a dollar last year in the Steam winter sale, that
was enough factorio for me.
L741[17:23:24] <ve2dmn> I had RimWorld and
Factorio in my Steam and HumbleBundle wishlist for a VERY long time
now
L742[17:23:29] <ve2dmn> They never go on
sale
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L744[17:30:38] <Mathuin> You can have a
wishlist for humble bundle?
L745[17:30:51] <ve2dmn> if you have an
account, yes
L746[17:31:00] <Mathuin> Neat.
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L750[17:32:20] <Mathuin> Are the python
pact books worth getting?
L751[17:33:04] <ve2dmn> I have no
experience with 'Packt' books
L752[17:37:41] <Mathuin> Me neither
L753[17:38:08] <Mathuin> Wait, what's this
about NROL launch? Is it postponed, or cancelled, or did it fail?
Scott Manley's tweet makes it sound like it hasn't yet
launched.
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L758[17:39:48] <kmath> YouTube - Delta IV
NROL-47 Live Launch Broadcast
L759[17:41:29] <ve2dmn> I hate
holdings
L760[17:42:41] <madmerlynx> where are they
launching? it's dark here
L761[17:43:01] <madmerlynx>
Vandenberg
L762[17:43:06] <ve2dmn> T-4:00...
L763[17:43:09] <ve2dmn> ...and
holding
L764[17:43:13] <ve2dmn> so we don't
know
L765[17:43:25] <madmerlynx> I said where
not when ;)
L766[17:43:27] <ve2dmn> madmerlynx:
vandeberg
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L771[17:46:45] <madmerlynx> 4:05
california time, so that's like 20 mins
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L773[17:48:46] <ve2dmn> it's
00:05UTC
L774[17:49:50] <madmerlynx> which is 4:05
california time :P
L775[17:49:58] <madmerlynx> well
16:05
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L777[18:00:03] <ve2dmn> There's a go for
launch
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L780[18:03:13] <Malachite> whee
t-2:15
L782[18:03:25] <kmath> YouTube - Delta IV
NROL-47 Live Launch Broadcast
L783[18:05:21] <Malachite> and theres the
hold
L784[18:05:29] <ve2dmn> :D
L785[18:05:36] <Mathuin> Sounded like he
said liquid somethign
L786[18:05:40] <madmerlynx> well that hold
was abrupt
L787[18:05:49] <Mathuin> That tone, that
guy's voice. :-)
L788[18:06:37] <ve2dmn> " *sigh* What
is it this time? "
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L790[18:08:16] <madmerlynx> Mission
Controller remembered he left his pepsi on the launchpad, he's
going to go get it now
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L792[18:10:37] <ve2dmn> It can't take off
without lemon scented hand sanitizer and biscuits
L793[18:10:47] <Mathuin> That's what they
get for installing mods
L794[18:11:14] <ve2dmn> So the launch will
be holding for 42 generation before they can take off
L795[18:12:13] <madmerlynx> 42
generations? lol so they're going to launch around the time the
future civilization of humans starts escavating the launch
site?
L796[18:12:19] <madmerlynx> excavating
too
L797[18:13:00] <ve2dmn> but the countdown
will still say T-4:00 and holding
L798[18:30:16] <ve2dmn> new time is in
30min
L799[18:30:47] <Fluburtur> launch that
ugly rocket already
L800[18:30:50] <Fluburtur> I don't have
all night
L801[18:31:01] <Mathuin> hahaha
L802[18:31:54] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: aren't
you UTC+1 ?
L804[18:32:01] <Fluburtur> yeah I
guess
L805[18:32:06] <Fluburtur> it's 1:31
am
L806[18:32:47] <ve2dmn> I sure hope you
don't have to work tomorrow
L807[18:33:05] <Fluburtur> nah
L808[18:33:08] <Fluburtur> but im
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L811[18:46:04] <Mathuin> I refreshed and
the live launch broadcast now says it's scrubbed :-(
L812[18:46:41] <ve2dmn> I was tabbed
out
L813[18:46:43] <ve2dmn> sad
L814[18:46:46] <Mathuin> Tomorrow at 1pm
Pacific
L815[18:48:32] <ve2dmn> yay code
works!
L816[18:48:37] <ve2dmn> ...50% of the time
:/
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L822[19:14:00] <Mathuin> My scansat
mission script fails because I don't have level 3 of the VAB for
the generic actions
L823[19:14:03] <Mathuin> So annoying
L824[19:14:10] <Mathuin> I have to grind
cash just to get that done
L825[19:15:16] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: I know
you're working on rendezvous, have you worked on achieving
arbitrary orbits?
L826[19:15:54] <ve2dmn> not yet
L827[19:16:02] <ve2dmn> SOON (tm)
L828[19:16:58] <Mathuin> Right now I'm
going to settle for a collection of change-blah lines in a
script.
L829[19:17:10] <Mathuin> I can totally
eyeball it, but that defeats the spirit of kOS. :-)
L830[19:17:40] <ve2dmn> :)
L831[19:20:00] <Mathuin> It's like using
an Etch-a-Sketch versus writing embedded code to drive two Arduinos
connected to the knobs.
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L833[19:21:18] <Mathuin> Time for the
first ham radio club meeting of the term. Later. :-)
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Solar Jetman - NESMania
L850[21:07:40] <oren> this game looks
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