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L39[02:42:17] <Althego> hah found a new anti flatearthers
L40[02:42:18] <Althego> -s
L41[02:42:36] <petti> what's an anti flatearher?
L42[02:42:54] <petti> sounds pretty futile
L43[02:43:06] <Althego> resistance is futile
L44[02:43:12] <Althego> as always
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L50[03:02:52] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZMcamAtbtg
L51[03:02:52] <kmath_> YouTube - 11 Science Stories To Watch Out For In 2018 | Random Thursdays
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L53[03:17:06] <markus-k> anyone know whats the current go-to solution for modifing the atmosphere vessel despawn behaviour?
L54[03:18:24] <Eroc|2> anyone around familiar with the ksp api - I'm trying to find the time information - Im clicking through the API and can't find it
L55[03:18:54] <Eroc|2> I'm looking for something like elapsedMissionTime() oder UTnow() or whatever
L56[03:19:23] <Eroc|2> just can't find the class that contains it
L57[03:25:51] <Eroc|2> ah got it it's in FlightState
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L68[03:45:30] <Oneiros> markus-k: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/158344-12x-physics-range-extender-v100/
L69[03:46:19] <Rolf> oh yeah got reminded of this https://imgur.com/a/WZm02
L70[03:46:23] <Rolf> still stunning
L71[03:46:33] <Rolf> it have to flip each stage.
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L81[04:34:59] <markus-k> Oneiros: Thanks!
L82[04:56:54] <Oneiros> np :) i was looking for that myself just yesterday, and was happy to discover that one
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L93[06:27:38] <Fluburtur> so I did a taxi test of my canadair on wet grass and it works but it doesn't accelerate very much
L94[06:31:06] <Mat2ch> vids :)
L95[06:31:44] <Fluburtur> eh alright
L96[06:31:49] <Fluburtur> let me get ym tripod out
L97[06:33:35] <Mat2ch> :D
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L101[06:41:07] <Fluburtur> alright im uploading it
L102[06:41:22] <Fluburtur> if it doesn't have enough power to fly at least it will make a fancy ground effect vehicle
L103[06:41:49] <Fluburtur> if anything I have some 2200kv motors, probably more punch than the 1000kv ones that are on it
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L105[06:46:07] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/MMm6291zGPs
L106[06:46:07] <kmath_> YouTube - canadair grass taxi test
L107[06:51:08] <Mat2ch> well, it looks like it wants to go
L108[06:51:10] <Mat2ch> :D
L109[06:51:18] <Fluburtur> yeah
L110[06:51:23] <Mat2ch> But you will need a flight test :D
L111[06:51:27] <Fluburtur> but those are really small props for that size of plane
L112[06:52:35] <Mat2ch> yeah. That's what I thought.
L113[06:52:47] <Mat2ch> Either bigger props or fast spinning motors
L114[06:53:45] <Fluburtur> I have faster motors
L115[06:53:51] <Fluburtur> and I dont' want to order more props
L116[06:57:04] <Epi> showed lil cousin KSP... she was like 'make the rocket bigger' good lass, she knows how to play already
L117[06:57:42] <petti> I've played with a 10 year old girl because she likes to design spacechips with me :)
L118[07:00:02] <Epi> ah my cus just turned 8, she was more like 'ahhh little green men, are they aliens? is that earth?' one million questions more-
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L123[07:40:22] <ve2dmn> morning
L124[07:40:58] <Fluburtur> afternoon
L125[07:41:52] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlxfWQ8EQZU
L126[07:41:53] <kmath_> YouTube - Doom running on GE Vivid S5 Ultrasound
L127[07:48:15] <ve2dmn> Reminder: SpaceX launch Zuma soon: http://nextrocket.space/
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L134[08:25:25] <Fluburtur> I should put my canadair in the water to see how long the wingtip floats need to be
L135[08:26:11] <Fluburtur> looks like they are only there to prevent the wing from tilting too low https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fvjzd8WWCIM/maxresdefault.jpg
L136[08:26:44] <ve2dmn> pretty much
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L138[08:27:57] <ve2dmn> I sure wonder how many fishes got the ride of their (short) lives
L139[08:27:57] <Fluburtur> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/87/28/2487283fad41ac12cdc019920de
L140[08:28:04] <Fluburtur> yeah they don't go that low
L141[08:28:10] <ConductingCat> :3
L142[08:28:13] <Fluburtur> like one float size above the "hull"
L143[08:28:19] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: uh, shouldn't this launch be around 0100 UTC?
L144[08:28:23] <Fluburtur> not much
L145[08:28:48] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: don't ask me
L146[08:28:56] <Fluburtur> that's a canadair water scoop http://www.oognok.ca/415/photos/images/IMG_4832_JPG.jpg
L147[08:29:27] <ve2dmn> That's from the Super-scooper I guess
L148[08:29:28] <Fluburtur> and im not even sure they go under the water line since the hull deflects a lot of water upward when "gliding" on the water
L149[08:29:30] <JCB> yup.. don't take much to fill those tanks when they go skim'n
L150[08:30:01] <JCB> they sorta hydroplane over the water on a 'step' under the hull..
L151[08:30:02] <Mat2ch> https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/ they say Launch window: 0100-0300 GMT on 8th (8:00-10:00 p.m. EST on 7th)
L152[08:30:54] <ve2dmn> looks good to me
L153[08:31:21] <JCB> ouch.. Zuma delayed since nov..
L154[08:32:07] <ve2dmn> yeah. Not sure it's the rocket or Payload that is the issue
L155[08:32:50] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: both websites says 1:00UTC to me
L156[08:34:47] <JCB> ve2dmn mission assurance... probably being a bit paranoid.. maybe software glitch? Could be conbination of both payload and launch vehicle having issues.
L157[08:35:05] <ve2dmn> We'll never know
L158[08:35:48] <JCB> I suspect they babying it a little bit, wanting to make sure it gets to its target with as close to 100 they can
L159[08:36:44] <JCB> couldn't be weather.. they had a few chances to go in the past I believe
L160[08:36:50] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: yeah. I was cofused because you said "soon" :)
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L162[08:37:17] <JCB> mind you... east coast storm not exactly making thins easy I think
L163[08:38:21] <Oneiros> 24 hrs
L164[08:38:24] <Oneiros> *34
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L168[08:48:58] <Fluburtur> uh, not sure I will be able to maiden the canadair soon
L169[08:49:37] <ve2dmn> good luck with that.
L170[08:50:02] <ve2dmn> I found out what was wrong with my code this morning. I'm not sure how to fix it :/
L171[08:53:24] <ve2dmn> I'm getting an angle somewhere in my code. It is interpreted as between 0 and 360. instead I get ABS of between -180 and 180
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L173[08:53:47] <ve2dmn> So if it's 77degrees in the past, it still says 77 degree
L174[08:54:01] <ve2dmn> I'm gonna go get more coffee
L175[08:54:05] <JCB> hmm..
L176[08:54:28] <JCB> I should have slept...
L177[08:54:50] <ve2dmn> It make sense really. I'm just asking the computer : What's the angle between these 2 vectors
L178[08:55:02] <ve2dmn> And it give me the right answer to that question
L179[08:55:07] <JCB> k...
L180[08:55:19] <JCB> but it won't go past 180 or something?
L181[08:56:06] <ve2dmn> Well... If you have 2 vector and you get the angle through the reverse of the dot product... you are going to get the smallest angle
L182[08:56:51] <JCB> we talk'n about the differences of two vectors in 3d space sorta thing?
L183[08:57:22] <ve2dmn> yes
L184[08:57:28] <ve2dmn> bbl
L185[08:57:35] <JCB> ah.. fun
L186[08:57:54] <ve2dmn> kOS
L187[08:58:31] <JCB> guess all I can say is check your cordinate system between the two.. maybe something got flipped.
L188[08:59:25] <JCB> only because I know heading is based on 360... elevation is based on 90 to -90
L189[08:59:51] <JCB> or rather.. heading can also be -180 to 180.. depending on the system you use
L190[09:14:16] <Fluburtur> so I made the wingtip floats, I just need to figure out how low to mount them
L191[09:15:37] <legion> bathtub time?
L192[09:15:57] <Fluburtur> I dont have a tub big enough
L193[09:16:08] <Fluburtur> I could walk 500 meters and put it down in the river
L194[09:16:13] <Fluburtur> but it's kinda flooding
L195[09:16:33] <legion> but i think a general rule with floats on seaplanes is that the secondary floats are at the waterline of the main float
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L197[09:17:01] <Fluburtur> I don't know where is the waterline of the body heh
L198[09:17:25] <Fluburtur> guess I could go find out but I will want to drive it on water if I go to the river
L199[09:17:42] <Fluburtur> I can't just go there, put it down in the water, take a picture and go back home
L200[09:18:06] <legion> no puddles nearby, or someone with a pool?
L201[09:18:39] <Fluburtur> no
L202[09:18:48] <Fluburtur> sadly
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L204[09:19:36] <legion> can't you make it so the sec floats are adjustable?
L205[09:19:54] <Fluburtur> eh
L206[09:19:56] <Fluburtur> not really
L207[09:20:03] <Fluburtur> I will just hot glue them on
L208[09:20:22] <legion> which plane is it, or is it your own design?
L209[09:20:24] <Fluburtur> and make it so they can break kinda easily in case I hit something to not damage the wing
L210[09:20:40] <Fluburtur> a canadair lookalike
L211[09:20:58] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMm6291zGPs
L212[09:20:58] <kmath_> YouTube - canadair grass taxi test
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L215[09:22:17] <legion> hmm, looks like the sec floats are well above the waterline and are just for stability in choppy water
L216[09:22:26] <Fluburtur> yeah
L217[09:22:39] <Fluburtur> they are thick enough that I kinda want to directly gle them to the wingtips
L218[09:22:42] <Fluburtur> with no pylon
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L220[09:23:53] <legion> atleast they aren't the retractable style
L221[09:24:08] <Fluburtur> yeah
L222[09:24:09] <legion> like on a bv-235
L223[09:24:19] <legion> or catalina
L224[09:24:19] <Fluburtur> I kinda wanted this to be an easy build
L225[09:24:27] <Fluburtur> took like 5 days
L226[09:24:54] <Fluburtur> eh
L227[09:24:54] <Fluburtur> https://www.tuxboard.com/photos/2017/01/Canadair-CL-415-720x469.jpg
L228[09:25:03] <Fluburtur> I was thinking canadait when I built it
L229[09:25:18] <Fluburtur> doesn't look like one but I jsut need to paint it red and yellow to fool everyone
L230[09:30:16] <legion> i'm partial to the white and red coast guard ones
L231[09:35:14] <Althego> hmm new parts, i like that
L232[09:35:32] <Althego> too bad not the new sized parts from making history
L233[09:37:24] <Althego> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSy2qisVwAAjsda.jpg:large
L234[09:38:59] <Althego> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRXRjPmUQAEFSdH.jpg:large
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L239[10:06:01] <petti> well that makes 75 tons to 100x100 orbit with a bit of fuel to spare. If the boosters don't collide too much when staging... :D http://petti.kapsi.fi/random/KSP/75t.png
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L243[10:41:54] <Fluburtur> I have an asteroid in a near perfect orbit around dres
L244[10:41:58] <Fluburtur> should I send crap there?
L245[10:42:37] <petti> depends.. do they need fertilizer?
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L247[10:50:05] <Fluburtur> I also have an asteroid that will cross kerbin orbit in 24 days
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L250[11:08:28] <Blaank> put nosecones on the boosters. I think they pay for themselves.
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L253[11:22:47] <Deddly> ;seen red5
L254[11:22:47] <kmath_> Deddly: red5 (~red5@47.55.250.239) was last seen posting in #kspofficial 158 days, 16 hours and 1 minutes ago
L255[11:42:32] <kubi> also, if you move the boosters a bit down on the decouplers, you reduce the chance of collision (assuming that you are still in the atmosphere)
L256[11:48:46] <KrazyKrl> the decouplers should be positioned where they push directly against the CoM of the jettisoned component(s).
L257[11:49:15] <KrazyKrl> You might need to use ullage motors if the parts are too massive for the decoupler's force though.
L258[11:58:36] <ve2dmn> good afternnon
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L266[12:49:58] <Blaank> I typically have them above CoM of the booster so it pushes the nose away. Pushes it broadside into the air as well as forcing it away from the main craft.
L267[12:50:26] <Blaank> Have had very good success with atmospheric separations having the decouplers above booster center of mass.
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L271[13:09:27] <Mathuin> Okay! I now think FAR weakens parts that have been overheated, because I just splashed down at about the same speed but without having stressed the cabins.
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L278[13:56:21] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/399289402947534848/20180106205008_1.jpg
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L282[14:09:43] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/399293364832436226/20180106210843_1.jpg
L283[14:10:44] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/399285632666697730/20180106203755_1.jpg
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L290[14:46:23] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FU0l2JHhGs
L291[14:46:23] <kmath_> YouTube - Six SpaceX Launches Synchronized To The Landing
L292[14:46:28] <Althego> bonus points for the music
L293[14:52:37] <Mathuin> How can I get my kerbal to swim downward? They only seem to stay on the surface.
L294[14:52:59] <Althego> you dont
L295[14:53:09] <Althego> i managed to do it once
L296[14:53:32] <Althego> but it was becasue the kerbal was between two tanks and it somehow bumped down
L297[14:53:58] <Althego> in fact if you leave the ship underwater and let go of the hatch
L298[14:54:05] <Althego> the kerbal just floats up helplessly
L299[14:54:27] <Althego> the game really doesnt support submarine explorers
L300[14:54:35] <Fluburtur> excuse me
L301[14:55:09] <Mathuin> I have a bathymetry experiment I'd like to reuse :-(
L302[14:55:38] <Fluburtur> do I still hold the submarine record?
L303[14:55:50] <Althego> in distance?
L304[14:55:52] <Althego> probably
L305[14:56:10] <Fluburtur> I still have my original sub
L306[14:56:20] <Fluburtur> but it has a mechjeb part on it so I can't load it
L307[14:58:05] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/399305536077561856/20180106215705_1.jpg
L308[15:00:40] <Fluburtur> I need to continue my trip
L309[15:00:48] <Fluburtur> I know where I stopped last time
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L312[15:16:19] <ve2dmn> My code works now... but I have no clue why...
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L314[15:18:41] <petti> two choices now... 1) learn! 2) profit!
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L316[15:20:11] <Althego> hehe
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L318[15:20:18] <ve2dmn> why not both?
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L324[15:27:58] <Draconiator> I'm waiting for Logan Paul to start bleeding subscribers but of course that ain't hapenning....
L325[15:29:21] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: do you still have that formula for plane change dV from yesterday close by? Was it 2*Velocity*SIN(inclination * 0.5 ) ?
L326[15:33:03] <Mathuin> Close, difference-in-inclination
L327[15:33:13] <Mathuin> So from 10 to 25 was (25-10)
L328[15:33:34] <ve2dmn> so relative inclination?
L329[15:33:44] <Mathuin> Well, more like delta inclination.
L330[15:34:25] <ve2dmn> I only have the angle between 2 planes, not the specific inclinations for each
L331[15:34:42] <Mathuin> That angle-between-two-planes is the value you'd use
L332[15:34:49] <ve2dmn> hum...
L333[15:35:06] <Mathuin> Because the difference between those planes's angles with the zero plane is the angle between them.
L334[15:35:14] <ve2dmn> it works at AN, but not at DN. I come up a tiny bit short.
L335[15:35:30] <Mathuin> Is it your velocity calculation?
L336[15:35:36] <ve2dmn> Which was why I used that in the formula, yes
L337[15:35:42] <ve2dmn> probably....
L338[15:36:02] <ve2dmn> I use this:
L339[15:36:05] <ve2dmn> VELOCITYAT(SHIP,TIME:SECONDS+TIME_to_nodeDN):ORBIT:MAG
L340[15:36:51] <ve2dmn> now wait. It's the time that's wrong.
L341[15:36:59] <ve2dmn> the dV is right. Sorry
L342[15:37:12] <Mathuin> Good to know!
L343[15:37:21] <ve2dmn> that's gonna be a lot harder to fix :/
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L345[15:42:03] <Mathuin> In unrelated news, kos-ramp's fly autopilot lets me get rid of Kramax
L346[15:42:10] <Mathuin> So that's yet another mod I don't need, yay.
L347[15:42:17] <ve2dmn> Kramax?
L348[15:42:27] <Mathuin> KramaxAutoPilot I think it's called. It's good at landing.
L349[15:43:01] <umaxtu> landing planes?
L350[15:43:07] <ve2dmn> I'm still trying to make a plane-matching script to setup automated rendez-vous
L351[15:43:12] <Mathuin> Planes and spaceplanes.
L352[15:43:40] <ve2dmn> because I had to do all the math by hand it took me WAAAAAAY longer then I thougt it would
L353[15:43:51] <Mathuin> Yeah, I read a couple of orbital mechanics textbooks I saw online.
L354[15:43:52] <ve2dmn> But I feel like 20 again :D
L355[15:44:25] <Mathuin> Yay! :-)
L356[15:44:38] <ve2dmn> Nah, my issues were mostly vector math with understanding True Anomaly vs Mean Anomaly
L357[15:45:21] <UmbralRaptor> Mean → Eccentric Anomaly is the hard one.
L358[15:46:41] <ve2dmn> I skipped that one
L359[15:50:36] <ve2dmn> for some reason, I got the right amount of dV at the wrong place...
L360[15:50:49] <ve2dmn> I'm off by about 1/12
L361[15:52:03] <ve2dmn> I also had trouble with kOS using Degree everywhere, but the formula I found expected Rads...
L362[15:52:17] <ve2dmn> Took me a while to find that bit
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L364[16:02:12] <Fluburtur> I installed mechjeb just to remove one part for a vessel
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L366[16:06:54] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L367[16:07:23] <ve2dmn> Supernovy: do you have a script that simply says that automagically?
L368[16:07:32] <Supernovy> Nope.
L369[16:08:12] <ve2dmn> Somewho, I each time hear the voice of the TF2 Spy in my head.
L370[16:09:04] <Fluburtur> https://i.imgur.com/s2qVLGG.png
L371[16:16:12] <whales> lol
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L374[16:21:06] <Fluburtur> it is back https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254984631512858634/399326506024828929/20180106231933_1.jpg
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L376[16:43:15] <Mathuin> nice!
L377[17:01:51] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/tbAModsBmTo
L378[17:01:52] <kmath_> YouTube - 40 Watt CO2 LASER BURNS STUFF
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L387[17:37:02] <madmerlyn> Evening, People.
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L406[18:19:25] <Oneiros> sup rocketeers
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