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L2[00:32:30] <ve2dmn> good morning
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L8[00:55:00] <ve2dmn> weird. My asteroid
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relay antenna
L9[00:56:14] <ve2dmn> at least the
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L17[02:02:28] <ve2dmn> ok, found the
issue
L18[02:03:00] <ve2dmn> If I rename a craft
as a 'SpaceObject', next time I load it I don't have control
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L42[05:02:24] <doublewohli1> Did they
change how biomemask works? I cant change EVA and Crew report
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L81[09:28:21] <Fluburtur> I am finally
back
L82[09:28:39] <hoglahoo> welcome back
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L84[09:31:26] <Althego> where were
you?
L85[09:31:35] <Althego> dont tell me you...
gasp... worked
L86[09:31:44] <Fluburtur> no don't
worry
L87[09:31:48] <Fluburtur> was in
auvergne
L88[09:31:52] <Fluburtur> at the mountain
house
L89[09:32:36] <Althego> that system is a
few jumps away from dodixie in eve :)
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L91[09:35:47] <Fluburtur> I should call my
friend and tell him to send me the helicopter
L92[09:37:20] <madmerlyn> Get me the
choppa!
L93[09:37:24] <Althego> rc?
L94[09:37:28] <Fluburtur> yeah
L95[09:37:28] <Althego> hehe arnold
L96[09:37:37] <Fluburtur> "prepare the
gift wrap!"
L97[09:37:52] <Fluburtur> well I still need
to put all my money at the bank so I can send him
L98[09:38:05] <madmerlyn> so I've played
KSP 3 times this week without actually doing anything besides
farting around in the VAB
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L100[09:38:26] <madmerlyn> I have designed
3 new landers though
L101[09:38:39] <Althego> any news on the
falcon heavy launch?
L102[09:38:57] <madmerlyn> I made a 1
kerbal lander that comes in at 1.4t based loosely off an Advanced
Gemini design
L103[09:39:06] <madmerlyn> Zuma launches
like tomorrow morning
L104[09:39:14] <madmerlyn> then static
fire test, then FH goes on the schedule, I believe
L105[09:40:17] <madmerlyn> then I have a 1
kerbal lander that's around 2.75t that is heavier, has supplies for
7d and is meant for extended duration 1 kerbal landings
L106[09:40:26] <Fluburtur> I did some
research and the average heli of the size I want is like 500€
L107[09:40:33] <Fluburtur> and I will be
getting mine for like 250
L108[09:40:35] <madmerlyn> and I made a 2
kerbal lander that's around 8t, also has 7d of supplies for both
kerbals
L109[09:40:37] <Fluburtur> so good deal I
guess
L110[09:41:26] <madmerlyn> both 1 kerbal
landers are very compact though, the Gemini based one can fit
inside a MRS 1.25m cargo bay, and the Mk1 lander can based on can
fit snugly in a 2.5m bay
L111[09:42:07] <madmerlyn> 2 kerbal one
will require a mk3 bay or external docking though
L112[09:42:53] <madmerlyn> and all 3 have
enough dv to land and return from Mun once with safety margins, or
multiple hops on lower grav moons
L114[09:43:38] <kmath_> <SpaceX>
Team at the Cape completed additional propellant loading tests
today. Extreme weather slowed operations but Falcon…
https://t.co/sPsVClI725
L115[09:43:46] <Althego> 7th
L116[09:43:50] <Althego> no launch
L117[09:44:36] <madmerlyn> pushed back
thanks to what.. Bombogenesis? heh
L118[09:44:45] <Althego> what is
that
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L120[09:45:03] <madmerlyn> it's the word
they're using to describe the insane cold weather on the east
coast
L121[09:45:22] <Althego> it is 10 degrees
here. plants started to bloom
L122[09:45:31] <madmerlyn> somehow media
has translated that to Cyclone Bomb
L123[09:45:39] <Fluburtur> it's raining
here
L124[09:45:45] <Fluburtur> weather been
crap all week
L125[09:45:52] <madmerlyn> well many parts
of Florida had snow this week
L126[09:46:10] <madmerlyn> Florida gets
like 1 or 2 snow days a decade typically
L127[09:46:37] <Althego> hehe
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L131[09:49:52] <kmath_> YouTube - Up Close
with the SpaceX Falcon 9 of CRS-13
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L145[10:41:16] <kmath_> YouTube - Meltdown
& Spectre - The Worst CPU Bug Ever?
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L149[10:50:33] <kuzetsa> Althego mmm
yeah
L150[10:50:50] <kuzetsa> I saw that
particular vid
L151[10:51:20] <kuzetsa> I had feels at
the last 60 seconds or so realizing other people's family plans
were screwed up over the holidays (other than mine)
L152[10:51:58] <kuzetsa> it was also
relatable, thinking: "wow this is some cool stuff to be
working on, but it's crappy timing"
L153[10:52:39] <kuzetsa> entertaining
isn't how I felt about it at the time, but family was pretty chill
about me passing out repeatedly over the holidays due to sleep
deprivation o.o
L154[10:53:18] <kuzetsa> it's still
ongoing, but at this point nothing which is specifically needing
done by me so I'm relieved
L155[10:53:24] <kuzetsa> * nothing
critical, rather :/
L156[10:54:06] <kuzetsa> he presented the
info better than I could, honestly
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L162[11:13:33] <Fluburtur> uh weather will
be crap for all of next week too
L163[11:13:50] <madmerlyn> Jan 10th
there's going to be an Electron launch
L164[11:13:59] <madmerlyn> and it's out of
NZ so US weather won't be an issue
L165[11:14:34] <madmerlyn> Rocket Labs is
interesting, they 3D print most of their rocket's components and
they're aiming at the small payload market
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L167[11:15:02] <madmerlyn> 4.9M for a
250kg payload to the moon, or 150kg to sun sync orbit
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L174[11:32:48] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: define
'crap weather' ?
L175[11:32:54] <Fluburtur> rain
L176[11:33:03] <Fluburtur> so I can't fly
any planes
L177[11:33:06] <Althego> hehe
L178[11:33:14] <Althego> to the ksp!
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L180[11:34:05] <Fluburtur> but I want to
fly my canadair
L181[11:34:09] <Fluburtur> now that I have
props
L182[11:34:39] <Althego> props and conps
:)
L183[11:35:02] <ve2dmn> sorry to hear
that
L184[11:35:42] <Fluburtur> I mean it
shouldn't be too windy but I do'nt want to be cold
L186[11:38:17] <Fluburtur> not bad
L187[11:39:02] <ve2dmn> We just came out
of a 10 day streak of below -18C
L188[11:39:43] <ve2dmn> It was clear
though, with no wind most days, so flying *was* possibl
L189[11:40:02] <ve2dmn> All the flights
are cancelled this morning
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L193[11:50:12] <ve2dmn> time to write a
rendez-vous script
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L200[12:03:49] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: btw
(just reading the backlog) I went to florida for xmas in... 1986?
1988? somehting like that, and I remember taking a picture of a
pile of snow in the first Rest Area in Florida
L201[12:04:24] <madmerlyn> the pan-handle
and north gets occasional snow, but it's rare even there
L202[12:04:27] <ve2dmn> I also remember
the authorities being vastly unprepared without the proper
equipement to put salt on the roads
L203[12:04:33] <madmerlyn> yup
L204[12:04:41] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: Oh. I
thought in real life and now there's a hole or something. :D
L205[12:04:49] <Mat2ch> But I guess in
this case: Hit it again!
L206[12:04:50] <ve2dmn> They went with
sand from the nearby beach instead :D
L207[12:06:08] <ve2dmn> We were escaping
snow... and it followed us all the way to DisneyWorld
L208[12:06:23] <snow> ve2dmn: I don't like
being accused of talking >.>
L209[12:06:25] <snow> stalking, even
L210[12:07:16] <ve2dmn> snow: then I won't
mention the 'blowing snow' in Montreal today
L211[12:07:45] <snow> hah
L212[12:08:48] <ve2dmn> because of a typo,
my Minmus station is now the 'Minus' station
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L214[12:18:25] <umaxtu> lol
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L216[12:18:46] <madmerlyn> you can rename
them in the tracking station you know
L217[12:21:14] <ve2dmn> nah, this is
better
L218[12:21:40] <kuzetsa> minmos
L219[12:21:41] <ve2dmn> The next one will
be the Minus+ station
L220[12:21:49] <madmerlyn> now you need to
launch a Plus station
L221[12:21:56] <ve2dmn> And then probably
the Minus++
L222[12:22:33] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: launch
a Plus station? to help reverse the polarity?
L223[12:23:09] <madmerlyn> maybe it'll be
like a kraken drive, because opposites attract
L224[12:23:47] <ve2dmn> then it will be
the 0 station, plus-or-minus
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L227[12:26:08] <UmbralRaptor> Minmus is
the minus world?
L228[12:26:24] <madmerlyn> I didn't do any
work in kOS last night, just goofed off in the VAB :/
L229[12:26:43] <ve2dmn> I dreamnt of
vectors last night
L230[12:27:06] <ve2dmn> When it damned on
me what I needed to do to find the Acending node, I felt like an
idiot
L231[12:27:06] <madmerlyn> weirdo
L232[12:29:10] <ve2dmn> kOS does not
provide the acending node of 2 orbits. To find it, I need to do the
math myself
L233[12:30:34] <ve2dmn> it's simple ready.
All orbits are planes crossing the center of the gravity. So you
take the 'normal' vector of these 2 planes, do the X product and
you get a vector pointing to the Acending node or decending
node.
L234[12:30:40] <ve2dmn> Esay enough
L235[12:30:47] <ve2dmn> easy*
L236[12:37:32] <ve2dmn> I found examples
of code (see link above), but I don't want to just copy-paste
because I won't be able to correct it if it goes wrong
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L238[12:46:23] <ve2dmn> His code says that
" The progression around an orbit is given by
SQRT(semimajoraxis^3 / body_Mu) * delta-mean anomaly "... I
can't find a source for that formula
L239[12:51:40] <ve2dmn> ok, for the
record, that formula is Kepler's 3rd Law
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L249[13:11:46] <Eroc|3> is there some way
to trigger a method after a given time so if I go over the list of
parts foreach(Part part in vessel.parts) {action(part);}
L250[13:12:30] <Eroc|3> the action must
only commence after the iterator is finished because the action
will modify the vessel.parts
L251[13:13:40] <madmerlyn> you want to
over-write the variable?
L252[13:13:42] <Eroc|3> I found something
about IEnumerator coroutines - but that somehow does not do what I
expect (i.e. does nothing)
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L254[13:14:15] <Eroc|3> the short version
is that it will call part.explode() - at least that was the clean
idea
L255[13:14:18] <madmerlyn> I think best
practice would be to store your desired changes into a different
variable
L256[13:14:40] <Eroc|3> it is kind of an
auto destruct system
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L258[13:16:07] <EricPoehlsen> I get the
desired result by setting part.temperature = 10000; but that is not
really a clean solution that is more of a dirty hack
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L260[13:17:29] <JCB> hm... speaking of
parts...
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L262[13:17:55] <JCB> anyone remember back
in early version of KSP, where in VAB/SPH, used to list '# in
stock' when picking parts from side bar?
L263[13:18:07] <Mathuin> Wow, that's a
terrifying thought.
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L265[13:18:31] <EricPoehlsen> what is a
terrifying thought?
L266[13:18:47] <EricPoehlsen> # in stock
or auto destruct systems?
L267[13:18:49] <Mathuin> Running out of
something critical, and having to wait for it to be manufactured
and shipped to the VAB.
L268[13:18:58] <Mathuin> Auto-destruct, I
have that, it's called revert. ;-)
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L270[13:19:46] <JCB> undestructive
deconstruction?
L271[13:20:02] <EricPoehlsen> the part is
called Octogon R.E.D. Rapid Explosive Desintegration
L272[13:20:09] <EricPoehlsen> flavour
text: At Octogon we realized that falling debris of failed rocket
launches causes great risk to ground personnel and infrastructure.
Adding small explosive devices (a.k.a. firecrackers) at strategic
positions throughout the vessel allows for a emergency detonation
of the craft in case of a major systems failure.
L273[13:20:27] <JCB> the stock thing,
wasn't really ever used. I suspect it was an idea the developers
were thinking to use but guess it was trimmed out
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L275[13:23:27] <Mathuin> I think I saw
something in the dev notes about exploding parts.
L276[13:23:56] <JCB> I thought it was
normal.. everything just explodes if hit hard enough
L277[13:25:32] <EricPoehlsen> The idea is
to explode it before it hits anything hard enough ...
L278[13:27:33] <JCB> pre-emtive
destruction
L279[13:28:34] <JCB> I don't know about
enjoying just seeing things blow up, virtual kerbals disappearing
or dying...
L280[13:29:00] <JCB> the odd weird phsyics
can get me either annoyed or laughing... guess depends
L281[13:30:09] <EricPoehlsen> well the
full destruction is clearly meant for unkerbaled missions - on
kerbaled missions you put the autodestruct in the abort action
group and it will only destroy the detached part
L282[13:30:15] <EricPoehlsen> at least
that is the idea
L283[13:30:33] <EricPoehlsen> the
implementation is still in a very early stage
L284[13:31:04] <ve2dmn> EricPoehlsen:
sounds like the demolition thingy in MKS
L285[13:31:09] <ve2dmn> except
automated
L286[13:31:16] <EricPoehlsen> yep
L287[13:31:33] <EricPoehlsen> its a bit
like that explosive charge from the idea
L288[13:31:55] <ve2dmn> would be perfect
for asteroid that are about to hit Kerbin
L289[13:32:04] <EricPoehlsen> it's just a
first dabbling in doing part module stuff
L290[13:32:04] <JCB> lol.. sometimes my
SRBs will jsut slam into each other, do that MAD thing.. mutually
assured destruction.. if I was able to recover them, I'd probbly be
somewhat annoyed
L291[13:32:22] <ve2dmn> Send in a crack
team with KAS and a drill, and put the charge on the asteroid
L292[13:32:39] <EricPoehlsen> hmm :D
L293[13:32:50] <EricPoehlsen> that sounds
like a fun mission
L294[13:32:59] <ve2dmn> JCB: there is a
mod for that. Put parachutes on things and you get the $ back
L295[13:33:07] <JCB> ya.. I know.. just
eh..
L296[13:33:25] <ve2dmn> I don't use it.
I'm rolling in $ thank to tourism
L297[13:33:25] <JCB> the radial decouplers
kind of messes with things if you still in atmos
L298[13:33:26] <lpg> don't have to worry
about salt water corrosion like the space shuttle's boosters
L299[13:33:54] <JCB> appearntly the parts
on the sides still causes them flip back, fly into each other
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L301[13:34:16] <EricPoehlsen> The second
mod I will be doing once I get a little comfortable with the API
will be a Tourism Science Mod
L302[13:34:37] <JCB> I kinda wanna do
something similar to the AGC..
L303[13:34:54] <ve2dmn> EricPoehlsen: I
tried to do a mod once. It sort-of worked
L304[13:35:04] <EricPoehlsen> I mean
todays 'space tourists' take active parts in science
L305[13:35:17] <JCB> speaking of...
L306[13:35:27] <EricPoehlsen> the broad
idea is that it will be a part module that attaches to science lab
parts
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L308[13:35:53] <EricPoehlsen> and if you
add a tourist - and have a scientist - some additional data will be
generated
L309[13:36:01] <JCB> know that sis
experiment thing.. gives you 'g' ratings? Ever used it to see how
much gravity is on a rotating part in space?
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L311[13:39:34] <ve2dmn> JCB: no, but it
might work considering KSP estimate G force
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L313[13:42:54] <JCB> hm....
L314[13:43:56] <JCB> just pondering on how
the game mechanics part worked.. sorta an idea that it wouldn't
read anything as its watching how much the ships center of mass
acelerates, rather than the part itself its attached to
L315[13:44:17] <ve2dmn> to know if it make
a difference, try placing 2 at different points and doing a
spin-stabilised rocket
L316[13:44:23] <JCB> actuallly....
L317[13:44:29] *
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L318[13:44:51] <JCB> another idea.. though
to record or not..
L319[13:48:06] <madmerlyn> I should start
a new career and make a video series out of it
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L321[13:55:02] <JCB> hmm..
L322[13:55:21] <JCB> guessing it uses the
ships center of mass as a reference point for caculating g
forces..
L323[13:58:32] <JCB> whoops...
L324[13:58:59] <JCB> structual failure on
the mass... sent it flying off in another orbital plane.. guess I
spun things up too fast.
L325[14:00:04] <madmerlyn> I tried to spin
stabilize a vessel recovery mission once
L326[14:00:13] <madmerlyn> ended up in
spaghettification
L327[14:11:57] <JCB> eh depends on how
fast...
L328[14:12:15] <madmerlyn> well at
re-entry speeds it kinda feedback loops
L329[14:12:19] <madmerlyn> I couldn't slow
it back down
L330[14:12:37] <JCB> this test balance
thing... spun up, then flipped on its side, gyro's wouldn't slow it
down
L331[14:12:41] <madmerlyn> had to revert
to re-entry and adjust my approach because things were clipping
through other things from the spin
L332[14:13:08] <JCB> though probably
result of the fuel thanks sitting up on the poles or something..
doesn't seem to like it if everything isn't perfectly
balanced.d
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L334[14:13:44] <JCB> any case... ya.. the
double c sismec things don't know how to read artifical gravity..
(ie it reads off changes in velocity from ship's center of mass
only)
L335[14:14:00] <oren> Tonight I will make
attempt 5 at landing a rover on Moho
L336[14:14:33] <madmerlyn> yes I need to
work on my attempt 2 at orbiting Moho :P
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L338[14:14:49] <madmerlyn> first attempt
resulted in landing on Moho, VERY quickly
L339[14:14:58] <madmerlyn> ie crash
L340[14:15:27] <madmerlyn> next mission
there was no attempt, just a flyby and burns to head on over to Eve
after
L341[14:15:53] <JCB> egh.. just getting to
moho itself.. I heard is pretty tough
L342[14:16:17] <oren> I landed a probe on
moho, but its solar panels all broke on landing and it only had
enough power to send back a few readings
L343[14:16:31] <madmerlyn> yes, it took me
a lot of fidgeting with maneuver nodes to set up
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L345[14:16:48] <JCB> I heard its the
amount of delta V you need..
L346[14:16:49] <Althego> moho is hard
because of the delta v
L347[14:16:49] <madmerlyn> I think my next
approach will be to like.. slingshot Duna or Eve or something
L348[14:17:04] <oren> madmerlyn: that's
what I'm trying
L349[14:17:06] <madmerlyn> something to
get me on a better approach so slowing down isn't as arduous
L350[14:17:07] <Althego> especially if you
make debrisless designs as i do
L351[14:17:08] <JCB> mind you... getting
between moons in teh jool system can be pretty clostly too
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L353[14:17:40] <Althego> what is so lovely
in the jool system that the moons actualy help you
L354[14:18:01] <madmerlyn> yeah my Jool
mission had a primary objective of 1 moon flyby and park in a nice
somewhat polar orbit to live as a relay, tried to get a bonus moon
flyby in there but couldn't set it up with the dv I had
L355[14:18:02] <oren> yeah you can capture
at jool without burning
L356[14:18:14] <JCB> would love to do a
jool mission.. mothership with a few probes..
L357[14:18:35] <madmerlyn> granted it
might've been easier if I came into the system a bit slower
L358[14:18:43] <madmerlyn> I went for the
inefficient fast transfer
L359[14:18:55] <madmerlyn> want to say it
was like a 300d transit from kerbin to jool
L360[14:18:59] <madmerlyn> I came in
screaming fast
L361[14:19:05] <oren> last time I sent
kerbals to jool I used a 50 day transfer
L362[14:19:23] <oren> massive nulcear-ion
cruiser
L363[14:19:27] <madmerlyn> heh that
must've been one hell of an upper stage
L364[14:19:28] <JCB> suppose to be 2 years
if you do a proper fuel efficient transfer
L365[14:19:49] <madmerlyn> yeah I had my
Joolian relay installed by Y2D100 or something like that
L366[14:19:51] <oren> madmerlyn: 30 ion
engines
L367[14:20:11] <oren> huge procedural
xenon tanks
L368[14:20:26] <madmerlyn> early on my
objective as getting the interplanetary network established so I
could send better landing probes etc. out later without blackout
concerns
L369[14:20:36] <JCB> long waits on
transfer windows and game being constantly updated back in the day
kind of why I'm still stuck in kerbin system
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L371[14:20:53] <madmerlyn> I have NFP I'll
be using plasma engines when I want high EC stuff
L372[14:21:02] <oren> JCB I just don't
update
L373[14:21:13] <oren> my current setup is
1.2.2
L374[14:21:22] <madmerlyn> JCB what I did
was stop multitasking so much and start focusing on missions
L375[14:21:35] <oren> until 1.2.2 I used
1.0.5
L376[14:21:46] <madmerlyn> I still have my
KAC going, but instead of just trying to get every contract done
all the time, I set a goal, like get this built, or visit this
place, and then I focus on that
L377[14:21:52] <JCB> I've a number of ksp
versions on file.. since 0.19 or so.. some copies with mods.. I've
been meaning to get 1.3.. or the latest. Still on 1.2
L378[14:22:24] <madmerlyn> when I set the
objective of interplanetary relay network in Eve, Duna, Dres, and
Jool, I sent robotic missions for the first time ever in all those
systems
L379[14:22:26] <JCB> I"d get 1.3...
but not sure, do the saves in 1.2 work in 1.3?
L380[14:22:28] <madmerlyn> Dres is still
en route, heh
L381[14:22:39] <madmerlyn> saves should be
fine yes
L382[14:22:53] <oren> probably not for me
I ahve a ton of mods
L383[14:23:05] <oren> including one I made
myself
L384[14:23:12] <JCB> I get that a number
of mods still having hard time with latest version...
L385[14:23:31] <madmerlyn> you'll have to
be more specific, I have a ton of mods installed
L386[14:23:45] <oren> generally I just
start a new career with each new version
L387[14:24:05] <oren> and install a new
set of mods, fresh
L388[14:24:15] <JCB> when I get time
though, I'll work on a few things. I badly need to do some actual
'work-work' to help recover from last few bad weeks since new
years
L389[14:25:38] <oren> I should actually
release the mod I made. It extends near-future electric's decaying
RTGs by adding 3 different new kinds of RTG's with different
half-lives and power output
L390[14:26:03] <JCB> I wanna do some
custom parts.. but friend keeps pushign me to get into unity engine
stuff to do it.
L391[14:27:22] <oren> I just wrote some
cfg files and tweaked textures... no real coding
L392[14:27:44] <oren> since it used NFE's
module
L393[14:27:46] <JCB> the models I have in
mind are somewhat simple...
L394[14:27:55] <JCB> the rest is easy
enough
L395[14:28:23] <JCB> anycase.. I gotta
run. some stuff wanted to get done today offline...
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L398[14:30:33] <Arcanitor|phone> What’s a
good IRC app for iOS?
L399[14:31:10] <umaxtu> does irccloud
count?
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L401[14:31:34] <Arcanitor|phone> No I
already have a bouncer
L402[14:32:28] <umaxtu> I can't help you
then, I use android
L403[14:35:16] <ve2dmn> Arcanitor|phone: I
also use android, but a heard good things about Colloquy, Palaver
and limeChat
L404[14:35:43] <ve2dmn> Although it may
only be because these apps are popular. I can't vouch for any of
them
L405[14:37:29] <Arcanitor|phone> Looks
like XChat has a mobile version too
L406[14:37:51] <SnoopJeDi> The Colloquy
users I know seem pretty happy with it
L407[14:37:54] <Arcanitor|phone> I should
really just buy an android but this phone was free
L408[14:38:27] <oren> I had another idea
for a mini-mod that would make a non-rechargeable battery available
before regualr batteries are
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L410[14:39:27] <oren> but then I realized
that essentially before you unlock fuel cells or solar panels,
batteries are essentially non-rechargeable
L411[14:40:18] <madmerlyn> make a dynamo
KIS part that you can crank to charge batteries
L412[14:40:45] <ve2dmn> A Kerbal Hamster
wheel!
L413[14:40:49] <madmerlyn> want to keep
that ore drill going? get crankin!
L414[14:41:10] <madmerlyn> lol Kerbal
wheel, why is that not a thing
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L418[15:19:05] <Althego> We are super
excited to announce that Kerbal Space Program Enhanced Edition is
coming out on January 16th, 2018 and it will be available on both
Xbox One and PlayStation 4.
L419[15:19:33] <ve2dmn> Althego: we have a
date now?
L420[15:19:34] <Althego> that is a
tuesday, 1 day after unsounded updates resume
L421[15:19:40] <Althego> for console
L422[15:20:23] <Althego> haha it is
1.2.2
L423[15:20:31] <Althego> not even
1.3
L425[15:21:53] <Althego> i dont even
understand how saves are not compatible. they are text
files...
L426[15:22:23] <Althego> but no
devnotes
L427[15:22:32] <Althego> time to timeskip
to tomorrow morning
L428[15:22:58] <Althego> there is still 35
minutes from the second aronra flat earth video
L429[15:23:11] <Althego> around 2 and 3.5
hours...
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L435[15:46:42] <Guest63329> how I install
a mod?
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L437[15:46:58] <ve2dmn> Guest63329:
depends. Do you want to use a mod manager or not?
L438[15:47:13] <Guest63329> yes
L439[15:47:19] <Guest63329> i'm new
L440[15:47:27] <Guest63329> i not find
it
L442[15:47:40] <Guest63329> where can
dowload it?
L443[15:48:04] <Guest63329> thanks so
much
L444[15:48:08] <Guest63329> i tried
it
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L447[15:55:29] <ve2dmn> I might have to
switch to Linux because of the last Intel Vulnerability
L448[15:55:56] <Eclipser> why
L449[15:56:35] <ve2dmn> I *might* get
better KSP performance
L450[15:57:04] <ve2dmn> mind you I have
Linux everywhere except my gaming desktop, so it's not like it's a
major transition
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L452[15:58:16] <Eclipser> mhm, the intel
vulnerability thing fixes don't really affect ksp so much so any
performace differences would've been already there before
L453[15:58:55] <Eclipser> games
(especially single player) mostly suffer in loading stuff from
files
L454[15:59:35] <ve2dmn> you are right, but
KSP is the 1 game that makes my CPU scream in pain
L455[15:59:51] <ve2dmn> I have a crappy
i5
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L459[16:07:19] <ve2dmn> I am very close to
having a script of finding the acending node in 2 oribts and
creating a manouver node at that point node.
L460[16:07:56] <ve2dmn> Now I only need to
find the best way to caculate the burn required
L461[16:08:10] <ve2dmn> After that I can
start thinking of a Rendez-vous script
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L470[16:44:35] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L472[17:00:21] <ve2dmn> ok, Math question.
If I have a maneouver node ready at An, how can I caculate the
exact amount of dV required?
L473[17:01:10] <ve2dmn> Right now my code
just add another 1m/s and check the resulting angle, stopping when
it's lower then 0.5 degree.
L474[17:01:18] <ve2dmn> Too crude for my
tastes
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L477[17:04:26] <kmath_> YouTube - DIY
Laser Made from Thin Air!!
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L480[17:18:56] <oren> ve2dmn: the delta v
required for what?
L481[17:19:14] <ve2dmn> matching the 2
planes
L482[17:19:27] <ve2dmn> Getting a
inclination of 0degree between 2 orbits
L483[17:20:16] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: delta V
is equal to two times the velocity times the sin of half the
angle
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L485[17:22:55] <ve2dmn> Amd the angle in
this case is the angle between the current velocity and the desired
velocity directions?
L486[17:23:50] <Mathuin> An example for
600km above Earth -- r is 600 + 6378.145 or 6978.145
L487[17:24:05] <Mathuin> "the
angle" is 25-10 if you're going from 10 degrees to 25
degrees
L488[17:24:23] <Mathuin> so 1973m/s
L489[17:24:34] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: I'm
trying to match 2 orbital planes at Acending node
L490[17:25:17] <Mathuin> This calculation
assumes circular orbits if I understsand correctly.
L491[17:25:54] <ve2dmn> Yeah, I don't
think I'll have this figured out tonight...
L492[17:26:04] <Mathuin> Let me find a
link to the chapter I was reading.
L493[17:26:17] <ve2dmn> I'm heading out. I
got a friend who's leaving town for a month or 2 on Monady
L494[17:26:21] <Mathuin>
http://pages.mtu.edu/~ooabdelk/Space%20Mechanics%20Book/Ch%209/Space_Mechanics_Chapter_9_OrbitalManeuvers.docx
L495[17:26:30] <Mathuin> That's way more
fun than KSP. Have a few Molsons. ;-)
L496[17:26:42] <ve2dmn> A docx?
HERESY!
L497[17:26:49] <ve2dmn> I don't drink
beer
L499[17:27:15] <Mathuin> Speaking of
heresy... :-)
L500[17:27:30] <ve2dmn> I can't. Stomach
reject the acid
L501[17:27:41] <ve2dmn> It's not really by
choice
L502[17:27:43] <Mathuin> Aww. That would
be a problem with wine as well.
L503[17:27:52] <Mathuin> You probably have
a better savings account than me as a result. :-)
L504[17:28:01] <ve2dmn> Wine and cider
gives me headaches
L505[17:28:10] <Mathuin> Honey wine has
plenty of acid as well. :-(
L506[17:28:23] <ve2dmn> So I stick with
Rhum and Vodka. Those usually go through
L507[17:28:33] <Mathuin> Spirits are
pretty clean that way.
L508[17:28:41] <ve2dmn> It might be the
barley, grain or whatever in beer.
L509[17:28:52] <ve2dmn> but it gives me
acid reflux
L510[17:29:00] <Mathuin> Wife gets that
too from some beers.
L512[17:33:29] <ve2dmn> spent a good few
hours making sure I understood the math. Was fun
L513[17:33:31] <ve2dmn> Later
L514[17:33:37] <Mathuin> Bye!
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L849[18:20:23] <madmerlyn> such spam
L850[18:22:33] <Fluburtur> uh
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L891[18:27:23] <Azander> probably things
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L909[18:27:44] <Fluburtur> irc is having
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L920[18:29:33] <mr_flea> There are going
to be some splits for a while since various machines are being
rebooted to mitigate the recent Meltdown and Spectre exploits
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L922[18:30:51] <Azander> yep :/
L923[18:31:18] <UmbralRaptor> Fun
L924[18:31:24] <Iskierka> only
meltdown
L925[18:31:32] <Iskierka> no (known) fix
for spectre
L926[18:32:46] <Mathuin> It's an entire
class of attack, individual examples can be addressed but the root
cause is not really "fixable"
L927[18:33:05] <Mathuin> If I understand
it correctly. I never really did get into assembler. Today's xkcd
was pretty good though.
L928[18:33:44] <Iskierka> Meltdown is
fixable with performance cost that varies between totally
insignificant and you'll feel it but the computer will still get
stuff done
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L930[18:34:29] <Mathuin> Yes, Meltdown is
effectively costing users performance -- how much depends on
exactly what you're doing -- because the speculative thing needs to
be examined from a more secure yet still worth doing
perspective.
L932[18:34:35] <Mod9000> Hello, me_
L933[18:34:49] <me_> wait wut
L934[18:34:52] <Iskierka> Spectre would
require the OS to be updated to monitor process behaviour and will
likely come with significant costs for a vaguely reliable
protection, but it can only be done at a very high level, you can't
build it in to fast code
L935[18:35:14] <Mathuin> All the Spectre
fixes I've heard about are tail-chasing, not preventative.
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L937[18:35:38] <Iskierka> you can maybe
monitor for things like "okay 2000 unauthorised memory
accesses in a second is suspicious" but they can still make
those accesses before the OS catches up, and they could run
slowly
L938[18:35:51] <Iskierka> on a busy
server, who will notice you picking the kernel apart over a
day?
L939[18:36:14] <mr_flea> Spectre can be
mitigated by strategically placing LFENCE instructions to prevent
speculative execution, and by reducing accuracy of timers (in e.g.
javascript engines)
L940[18:36:35] <Mathuin> At *that* point,
you have two real defenses -- ephemeral servers and running
everything in a VM first to see if it's evil. :-(
L941[18:36:54] <Iskierka> that only works
for stuff that runs in VM (though admittedly javascript's access to
these is the most terrifying thing)
L942[18:37:28] <Iskierka> VM can insert
arbitrary LFENCEs before and after memory requests, can't really do
that with programs outside of the VM
L943[18:37:33] <mr_flea> or at least
certain parts of Spectre, since it's more like a collection of
vulnerabilities
L946[18:40:11] <Iskierka> on the plus
side, it would now be actively irresponsible for anyone to *not*
use adblock and massive amounts of script-blocking
L947[18:40:56] <mr_flea> it already was...
shady ad networks have been serving infected javascript for
years
L948[18:41:47] <mr_flea> there was at
least one recently-discovered ad network script that was abusing
browser autofill to fingerprint users; it'd wait until the browser
autofilled a hidden password entry, then harvest and hash the
credentials from it to use as a unique advertising ID
L949[18:42:03] <Iskierka> Wasn't possible
to infect this severely until now, though. They can literally have
unlimited machine access with no input from you; perfect worms are
trivial
L950[18:42:24] <Iskierka> (or as trivial
as implemeting spectre in the first place)
L951[18:42:30] <mr_flea> on one hand, ad
networks and websites complain that adblock is costing them money
and they deserve to be compensated for their efforts in running a
website. on the other hand, they do this shit
L952[18:43:48] <mr_flea> Iskierka:
Meltdown/Spectre are read-only access; in browsers the worst-case
is that it dumps out your password manager's database or reads the
content of the banking website you have open in another tab. the
exploits don't lead to JS sandbox escape/remote code execution,
just extremely severe data exfiltration
L953[18:43:55] <technicalfool> this stuff,
surely?
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L956[18:59:09] <lordcirth> Lightning
network micropayments may eliminate the need for ads. When you can
click a 'like' button at the bottom of the page that instantly
sends X cents to the author, for example.
L957[18:59:14] <Eddi|zuHause> i find it
extremely comforting that they can *only* read my whole password
database and hijack my banking information, and not access all the
movies i stored on my hdd
L958[19:02:27] <Iskierka> nah they might
be able to do that too, if they can trigger a disc read with
spectre
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L965[19:17:58] <darsie> Found this in my
cancelled contracts: "Rescue Jebediah Kerman, who is stranded
in low The Sun orbit."
L966[19:22:22] <Epi> garlic, rosemary,
lemon zest, sea salt and black pepper. Place in low The Sun orbit
until just right or 1 or 2 years. Your Jebediah will be just
right
L967[19:23:26] <darsie> :)
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L971[19:29:41] <Mathuin> Hrm, can I test a
liquid fuel engine that's already been started?
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L973[19:34:11] <darsie> Probably. Right
click it and hit the test button.
L974[19:34:25] <Supernovy> If the test
option is in the right click menu, yes. I don't know what decides
whether it's in the menu or staging only.
L975[19:34:46] <darsie> Dunno if
de/activating helps.
L976[19:35:05] <Oneiros> i think you can
also re-stage it if that's the requirement
L977[19:35:12] <Oneiros> IIRC
L978[19:35:24] <darsie> Test button
usually works if staging is requested.
L979[19:35:25] <Oneiros> IIRC
L980[19:35:36] <Oneiros> ah ok
L981[19:35:46] <Supernovy> Oh yeah,
dragging the icon around in the staging stack.
L982[19:36:09] <darsie> Or hitting
'decouple' for a decoupler.
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L991[20:26:57] <ve2dmn> back
L992[20:27:28] <ve2dmn> time to write
druken code
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L996[21:10:00] <madmerlyn> drunken code
master
L997[21:10:22] <madmerlyn> I'm making my
own versions of different Raptor 9 designs heh
L998[21:12:05] <Mathuin> Oooh, Shenmue III
is coming out this year
L999[21:12:15] <Mathuin> I really liked
the forklift racing in Shenmue II.
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L1002[21:16:52] <ve2dmn> I missed the
sales on Steam, but the early unlock for Humble Monthly Feb is
Civ6
L1003[21:17:32] <ve2dmn> That, of course,
does not include the DLC
L1004[21:18:58] <madmerlyn> Civ6 has
native linux support, but I dunno if I'm interested heh
L1005[21:19:00] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn:
nice
L1007[21:19:36] <madmerlyn> 3 drills, but
only 3 OX-STAT-XLs as the powerplant
L1008[21:19:37] <ve2dmn> I remember the
old linux games from... Loki was it?
L1009[21:19:50] <madmerlyn> even with
Gilly's proximity to Kerbol 3 panels will only feasibly drive 1
drill
L1010[21:20:43] <madmerlyn> and the tug
that's supposed to land on it to get fuel only has 2 1x6s on it, so
that's not much more power when it's in place
L1011[21:21:43] <madmerlyn> I've made my
own version, but I have concerns about that power plant
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L1014[21:26:44] <Mathuin> Is it possible
for a vessel part to suffer partial persistent damage?
L1015[21:27:43] <Mathuin> Thermometer
overheat icons on my crew cabins that don't go away. :-(
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L1017[21:28:27] <Mazura> Hello?
L1018[21:28:37] <UmbralRaptor>
olleh
L1019[21:29:02] <Mazura> hey there
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L1021[21:29:24] <UmbralRaptor> Mathuin: I
know they can sometimes take a long time to cool off.
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L1024[21:32:13] <Mazura> so I had
AirlineKuisine working fine, then installed some mods that 'hid'
all those parts in the SPH. I can launch anything that still has
'inavalible' parts, but can't build them....
L1025[21:32:50] <Mazura> I unistalled all
the new mods, but still no joy. using ckan
L1026[21:32:56] <ve2dmn> time to beta
test my crappy code.
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L1029[21:33:04] <ve2dmn> I expect a
crash
L1030[21:33:17] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: good
luck, it's pizza and beer time here as soon as I crash this blessed
thing.
L1031[21:33:31] <madmerlyn> I really wish
I knew what Raptor9's reasoning for the power plant on this thing
is
L1032[21:33:38] <ve2dmn> I'm digesting my
Rum-Runner
L1033[21:33:46] <Mathuin> UmbralRaptor:
does the red glow state mean it's more brittle or vulnerable to
cold water or something?
L1034[21:34:39] <UmbralRaptor> Mathuin:
if the part is glowing red, it's generally red-hot.
L1035[21:35:07] <Mathuin> Generally, but
I don't know if FAR treats that as having a lesser crash
tolerance.
L1036[21:35:34] <UmbralRaptor> Not sure
with FAR.
L1037[21:42:37] <ve2dmn> well... crashed
on load because of typo
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need to rebuy everything in Science facility
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L1129[22:47:17] <Oneiros> were spacex
supposed to launch something today?
L1130[22:49:41] <ve2dmn> tomorrow
L1132[22:50:42] <ve2dmn> well... code
does not work. I'll have to re-check all the math Tomorrow
L1133[22:51:20] <Oneiros> wow awesome ty
for that link
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L1144[23:17:14] <madmerlyn> the Zuma
launch got pushed back due to the weather actually
L1145[23:17:19] <madmerlyn> it's on the
docket for the 7th now
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L1147[23:34:15] <Oneiros> ya
L1148[23:34:19] <Oneiros> a little under
2 days
L1149[23:34:35] <Oneiros> i always get
confused because usa is almost a day behind australia
L1150[23:35:27] <Eddi|zuHause> dates are
funny this way
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L1155[23:49:03] <Oneiros> yeah. australia
should be behind usa, like we are in every other way
L1156[23:49:12] <Oneiros> except welfare.
we
L1157[23:49:18] <Oneiros> 're good at
that