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L1[00:00:15] <ConductingCat> rood
L3[00:00:27] <Blaank> I was thinking about
that
L6[00:01:15] <Oneiros> empyrion is basically
a space engineers copy but adds survival and planet bases
L7[00:01:33] <Oneiros> i found it way more
fun even when it had just started
L8[00:01:46] <Oneiros> that was years ago
now tho
L9[00:01:50] <JCB> ... there was a game..
platformer, you were fighting demons. you died, the next family
memeber in line took your place
L10[00:02:13] <Blaank> My only complaint
with Space Engineers is multiplayer inventory deletion.
L11[00:02:13] <JCB> butyou could also pick
between 3 randomly generated characters
L12[00:02:24] <Blaank> I'd be fine if it
left a corpse but it doesn't.
L14[00:02:46] <Blaank> oh god, not
that
L15[00:03:01] <ve2dmn> JCB: Rogue
legacy
L17[00:04:35] <JCB> ya thats it.. I breifly
saw someone playing it on some playthrough thing a while back
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L19[00:04:57] <Blaank> I think I'm going to
stop buying early access stuff.
L20[00:05:06] <Blaank> It's bitten me more
times than not.
L21[00:06:34] <ve2dmn> Blaank: I had very
few bad experience outside of Kickstarter, but I don't play
FPS-style games...
L22[00:07:30] <ve2dmn> Spacebase DF9 comes
to mind if we you want the kind of early access that failed on
me
L23[00:07:51] <Blaank> Yeah
L24[00:08:04] <Blaank> Lot of people get
burned by early access.
L25[00:08:10] <Blaank> Starbound is my
biggest regret.
L27[00:08:20] <Blaank> A game that was more
fun in alpha than release.
L28[00:08:42] <ve2dmn> I played release, so
I have no clue what you are talking about
L29[00:08:49] <Blaank> Space Engineers is
ok single player but unplayable in multiplayer.
L30[00:11:51] <ve2dmn> Blaank: one game
that I backed in early access that turn out exactly like I was
expecting (which is ok, but re-play is boring) is Halcyon 6
L31[00:13:06] <Oneiros> planetbase was
alright for a few hours
L32[00:13:16] <Oneiros> if you like
management games
L33[00:13:20] <Blaank> It got abandoned
while unfinished
L34[00:13:28] <Oneiros> i wish there was a
good colony management sim around
L35[00:13:31] <Oneiros> ah
L36[00:13:31] <Blaank> slapped 1.0 on it
and threw it out the door
L37[00:13:41] <ve2dmn> same with DF9
L38[00:13:43] <Oneiros> seems to be common
these days
L39[00:13:45] <Blaank> wiat
L40[00:13:50] <Blaank> sorry I meant
DF9
L41[00:13:55] <Blaank> I screwed up.
Planetbase is fine.
L42[00:13:57] <Oneiros> they make all their
money in early access
L43[00:14:04] <Oneiros> ok lol
L44[00:14:24] <ve2dmn> Oneiros: there's one
new Title release in 2018: Surviving Mars
L45[00:14:31] <ve2dmn> So far it looks...
ok-ish
L46[00:14:44] <Oneiros> is that the first
person one
L48[00:15:04] <Oneiros> where you drive
around dodging gas vents
L49[00:15:21] <ve2dmn> no. It's a paradox
Interactive Sim
L50[00:15:37] <Oneiros> oooh this looks
alright
L51[00:17:24] <Oneiros> yeah, i'll keep an
eye on that
L52[00:17:37] <Oneiros> banished was so
popular, we need a banished in space
L53[00:18:28] <ve2dmn> pass my bedtime.
good night
L54[00:19:45] <Oneiros> ok gn
L55[00:27:57] <JCB> surviving mars.. that
the one with the couch you can use?
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L58[00:33:00] <JCB> oh.. maybe its
different game
L59[00:35:08] <JCB> ah.. it was Take on
Mars....
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L82[01:31:33] <Arynnia> Did not mean to
close the channel.
L83[01:33:18] <Supernovy> I'll take that
under advisement.
L84[01:33:32] <Arynnia> lol hey 'novy
L85[01:35:49] <Arynnia> How is ?
L86[01:36:39] <Oneiros> ghosts
everywhere
L87[01:36:48] *
Oneiros hides
L88[01:38:19] <JCB> peh..
L89[01:38:29] <JCB> more like
spirits...
L90[01:42:46] <UmbralRaptor> Oneiros: or
dreams?
L91[01:43:52] <Blaank> What happened?
L92[01:47:19] <Arynnia> Blaank:
Everything.
L93[01:48:24] <UmbralRaptor> Blaank: Cats
stole all our bases.
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L109[02:37:49] <ConductingCat> ：３
L110[03:08:24] <JCB> rwar...
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L113[03:26:24] <Mod9000> Hello, kubi
L114[03:26:45] <kubi> is there anyone
playing with USI and using planetary logistics?
L115[03:27:15] <kubi> should it work from
surface to orbit or only surface-surface?
L117[03:29:18] <JCB> erm.. not me,
sorry.
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L120[03:47:32] <Oneiros> sounds
interesting but i cant even find the USI link in the directory, let
alone this planetary logistics you speak of
L121[03:47:56] <Arynnia> You mean USI
Freight Transport Technologies ?
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L123[03:54:13] <Oneiros> "I do think
getting good at digging tunnels could be really helpful for
Mars."
L124[03:59:01] <Oneiros> such a
well-grounded idealist
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L155[05:37:53] <sandbox> strike the
earth
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L157[05:53:40] <Guest71976> hello
L158[05:53:42] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest71976
L159[05:54:08] <Guest71976> is anyone know
androşd version of this game
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L161[06:15:03] <Oneiros> hi
L162[06:15:05] <Mod9000> Hello,
Oneiros
L163[06:15:23] <Oneiros> Mod9000: have you
built an SSTO VTOL BabySpacePlane before?
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L165[06:40:25] <Judge_Dedd> Hi
Oneiros
L166[06:40:38] <Oneiros> hi
L167[06:40:40] <Mod9000> Hello,
Oneiros
L168[06:40:42] <Judge_Dedd> Oneiros, I
have done that :) How about you?
L169[06:41:22] <Oneiros> i got far enough
to feel confident it was possible with a bit more effort
L170[06:41:24] <Oneiros> then gave
up
L171[06:42:22] <Oneiros> i like the new
baby intake and jet engine though
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L175[06:48:48] <Judge_Dedd> OK so maybe I
need a definition of "BabySpacePlane"
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L177[06:49:08] <Judge_Dedd> Do you mean a
plane powered with only the smallest engines?
L178[06:50:12] <Oneiros> yup
L179[06:50:24] <Oneiros> using the Mk0 /
0.625m form factor
L180[06:50:39] <Judge_Dedd> Ah. I don't
think I ever tried that, no
L181[06:51:11] <Judge_Dedd> It sounds very
difficult, because the Juno has such poor thrust above 7000
metres
L182[06:51:20] <Oneiros> ok. i like the
little creations
L183[06:51:37] <Oneiros> yeah, its not
very efficient lol
L184[06:51:48] <Judge_Dedd> Yeah I do too,
but then I also never built an unmanned SSTO, so having a robotic
one will save a lot of weight
L185[06:51:49] <Oneiros> i dont think i
even got to 10k altitude on the jet
L186[06:52:18] <Oneiros> ok
L187[06:52:21] <Judge_Dedd> Oneiros, I
believe its performance is much better with FAR installed
L188[06:52:45] <Oneiros> hm. ive been
using FAR but all my planes end up going into spins
L189[06:53:10] <Judge_Dedd> taniwha is the
guy to talk to about Juno-powered SSTOs in FAR
L190[06:53:21] <Oneiros> oic
L191[06:53:54] <Oneiros> its fun but i
need to stay focused on my mod haha
L192[06:54:26] <Judge_Dedd> :)
L193[06:54:45] <Oneiros> i like the idea
of a little drone carrying a little science rover around at the
start of the game
L194[06:54:52] <Judge_Dedd> I'm going to
have to try this idea. mk0-only SSTO VTOL. I think that will be a
challenge
L195[06:55:02] <Oneiros> haha yes
L196[06:55:22] <Oneiros> for the VTOL i
only needed 4 verniers. but it was hard to balance them
properly
L197[06:55:25] <Judge_Dedd> But
unfortunately I can't play right now
L199[06:55:49] <Oneiros> oh ok
L200[06:55:52] <Judge_Dedd> How about a
tail lander?
L201[06:56:13] <Oneiros> whats that
L202[06:56:41] <Judge_Dedd> A plane that
sits on its tail pointing straight up
L203[06:57:01] <Judge_Dedd> Just for the
VTOL functionality
L204[06:57:14] <Oneiros> lol ok
L205[06:57:19] <kuzetsa> those do
work
L206[06:57:26] <Oneiros> its probably more
efficient
L207[06:57:42] <Judge_Dedd> Save weight
because no landing gear needed and no extra VTIL engines
L208[06:57:45] <Judge_Dedd> VTOL*
L209[06:57:57] <Oneiros> yeah, definitely
sounds easier
L210[06:57:59] <Judge_Dedd> But much more
difficult to land
L211[06:58:11] <kuzetsa> adding in lots of
RCS thrusters/fuel to make tail-landing less risky is cheaper than
extra engines
L212[06:58:18] <kuzetsa>
"cheaper" in terms of mass
L213[06:59:06] <Judge_Dedd> How about Juno
+ Vernier thrusters as the only propulsion?
L214[06:59:20] <Oneiros> ouch lol
L215[06:59:24] <Judge_Dedd> That would be
extremely light, but would that offset the poor ISP?
L216[06:59:32] <Judge_Dedd> I somehow
doubt it
L217[06:59:50] <Oneiros> i used 2 twitches
and didnt quite make orbit. i think you'd need a lot of
verniers
L218[07:01:18] <Judge_Dedd> The Vernor is
only a little lower thrust than the Twitch, actually.
L219[07:01:18] <Oneiros> oh wow just
looked them up. 12kn for the verniers. much higher than i
thought.
L220[07:01:25] <Oneiros> yeah
L221[07:01:32] <Oneiros> impressive
L222[07:01:46] <Judge_Dedd> But they are
also only a little lighter than the Twitch
L223[07:02:23] <Judge_Dedd> So it's
probably not worth it.
L224[07:02:30] <Judge_Dedd> I'd go for the
SPark
L225[07:03:32] <Judge_Dedd> In fact, it
might even make sense to forego the Juno altogether and have the
craft powered solely by the Spark engine
L226[07:04:16] <JCB> super planes..
L227[07:04:39] <JCB> or.. think thats what
they called them. Rocket powered aircraft that goes high into orbit
high velocity.
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L229[07:05:04] <JCB> erp..
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L231[07:11:05] <ve2dmn> good morning
L232[07:15:45] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: good
morning
L233[07:17:13] <Oneiros> hi
L234[07:17:13] <Mod9000> Hello,
Oneiros
L235[07:17:32] <Oneiros> Mod9000: quiet
you
L236[07:17:42] <Oneiros> Mod9000: quiet
you
L237[07:17:53] <Judge_Dedd> lol
L238[07:19:20] <Judge_Dedd> Oneiros,
Mod9000 greets people who only say "hi" because of the
number of people who come here, say hi, ask a question and then
disappear all within 20 seconds.
L239[07:19:37] <Judge_Dedd> Giving them a
greeting makes them stay 20 seconds longer
L240[07:20:51] <Oneiros> lol i see
L241[07:21:07] *
Judge_Dedd has to go. See you around
L242[07:21:11] <Oneiros> i feel like
Mod9000 needs a small delay programmed into that greeting
script
L243[07:21:16] <Oneiros> ok cya
L244[07:21:28] <Judge_Dedd> Oneiros, yeah
but that would actually require programming knowledge ;)
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L246[07:21:52] <Oneiros> i started out as
an IRC coder
L247[07:22:09] <Oneiros> *scripter i
should say
L248[07:22:09] <JCB> just.. random
questions or..?
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L250[07:22:38] <TheKosmonaut> JCB: guests
usually come in with nothing crazy but they never seem to
wait
L251[07:22:39] <Oneiros> i like getting
into the deep stuff
L252[07:22:50] <Oneiros> like why do those
craters perturb the orbits of whatever flies over them
L253[07:22:57] <TheKosmonaut> One guy
joined earlier and asked if there was an Android version of KSP
apparently
L254[07:23:05] <Oneiros> *lunar
craters
L255[07:23:22] <JCB> ya I saw that last
one
L256[07:23:30] <JCB> I just wondered if it
seemed to be a common question or something
L257[07:23:44] <JCB> peh... well other
than a 2d version of ksp.. don't know of any 3d android
version
L258[07:28:21] <TheKosmonaut> There
wouldn't be anything like that on mobile. Lol.
L259[07:28:29] <TheKosmonaut> Imagine the
battery life
L260[07:29:24] <JCB> there even a cpu or
system that can?
L261[07:29:56] <ve2dmn> 5min of glorious
unplanned dissasambly
L262[07:31:18] <TheKosmonaut> JCB: I doubt
it.
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L265[07:59:46] <ve2dmn> would an asteroid
be a good heat shield?
L266[08:01:34] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn:
depends. Are you trying to enter Jool?
L267[08:01:47] <ve2dmn> no, only in orbit
around Kerbin
L268[08:02:17] <TheKosmonaut> Then yeah
you're good
L269[08:02:27] <JCB> we talk'n in game
sorta thing?
L270[08:02:28] <ve2dmn> but an encouter
with the mun has put my Per below 0 and I won't have enough dV to
raise it about the atmosphere
L271[08:03:11] <JCB> eh people rode
astroids down to the surface..
L272[08:03:37] <ve2dmn> ok, forget it.
it's doomed
L273[08:03:49] <ve2dmn> I can't raise the
Per above Zero...
L274[08:06:39] <JCB> automated.. or
crewed? could try the 'get out and push'
L275[08:06:57] <ve2dmn> Probe Asteroid
harvester
L276[08:07:29] <ve2dmn> And I would need
an extra 40m/s for a VERY heavy asteroid
L277[08:08:09] <JCB> so... astroid going
to make an unplanned landing on the mun huh?
L278[08:08:23] <ve2dmn> so... reload
:(
L279[08:08:36] <ve2dmn> losing about 1h of
doing stuff
L280[08:08:45] <JCB> woulda made for a
rather interesting ... 'landmark' in game
L281[08:12:04] <ve2dmn> the 37m/s burn for
this asteroid are over 1h
L282[08:12:31] <ve2dmn> it's 6k
Tonnes
L283[08:12:40] <ve2dmn> I doubt I could
land it anywhere
L284[08:12:58] <ve2dmn> even with 9001
parachutes
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L286[08:14:09] <JCB> ya, was going to say.
Seen people use chutes on smaller ones..
L287[08:14:25] <JCB> though ... could just
let it 'crash' it woudlnt' do anything. Game wouldn't know how ot
deal with it
L288[08:15:08] <ve2dmn> yeah, but it took
a LOT of effort to put this thing in orbit. I'm not just gonna
abandon it
L289[08:16:07] <ve2dmn> it's going to be a
fuel refinery
L290[08:17:24] <ve2dmn> I'm going to mine
the precious ore out of it and then turn the hollow husk into a
hotel using ART
L291[08:19:10] <madmerlyn> aren't
asteroids indestructible?
L292[08:19:15] <ve2dmn> Although I still
need more science to do anything usefull with it besides just Ore
mining
L293[08:19:16] <JCB> pretty much
L294[08:19:30] <madmerlyn> I thought you
could just deorbit them and they won't disintegrate at terminal
velocity, chutes not required
L295[08:19:36] <ve2dmn> except they burn
up
L296[08:19:56] <madmerlyn> they burn up?
I've never seen a heat indicator on one before
L297[08:19:57] <ve2dmn> I tried one at
high velocity
L298[08:20:05] <ve2dmn> (I could not move
it in time)
L299[08:21:04] <JCB> well then..
L300[08:21:26] <JCB> I'm kind of a long
ways from pushing a 'roid' into orbit of anything right now
L301[08:22:07] <ve2dmn> I make it a
compulsory job to at least try to divert any Kerbin-crossing
asteroids
L302[08:22:10] <madmerlyn> I know the game
auto-deletes them if you don't have control of them when they
impact or whatever, but I didn't think they could burn up
L303[08:22:52] <ve2dmn> important bit: I
clawed it first. It might have turned it into a 'vessel part'
L304[08:23:33] <JCB> sometimes stuff heats
up, don't even get a heat gauge before poof
L305[08:24:26] <ve2dmn> it had
interplanetary speeds. Burn up well before getting close to the
water
L306[08:25:19] <JCB> anyone figured if
they float in water?
L307[08:25:50] <ve2dmn> they probably
dissolved
L308[08:26:10] <ve2dmn> Also, don't let
them eat pass midnight
L309[08:26:51] <madmerlyn> but were you in
control of it during re-entry?
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L311[08:27:14] <madmerlyn> having clawed
it previously doesn't make it immune to suborbital deletion
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L313[08:28:35] <ve2dmn> yes. I watched it
to see where it would hit
L314[08:32:20] <ve2dmn> btw, I only got an
encouter because I didn't see it
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L316[08:33:08] <JCB> disconnecting...
turned into debris?
L317[08:33:11] <ve2dmn> the game updated
the orbit once I passed AP and there was an encouter less then a
day after. I was already in timewarp so I didn't react fast
enough
L318[08:33:55] <ve2dmn> or else, I would
have tried to tweak the encouter to m advantage
L320[08:34:10] <JCB> erp..
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L322[08:38:50] <ve2dmn> of course, this is
an older model of the 'Asteroid redirect Tug', so as soon as the
asteroid has a proper orbit, I'll put the thing in a
debris-parking-orbit
L323[08:39:26] <madmerlyn> I need to do
some more orbital cleanup missions, that's traditionally how I test
out my new SSTOs
L324[08:39:49] <madmerlyn> first I do a
couple test payload launches, then I go up and grab space trash to
tweak my landing routine
L325[08:40:15] <madmerlyn> I've done over
20 LKO rescue contracts, so have lots of junk still floating up
there
L326[08:40:26] <Blaank> Falcon Heavy
scheduled to launch in 2 days. They sprung it on us.
L327[08:40:30] <Blaank> Jan 5th
L328[08:40:35] <madmerlyn> and a couple
early satellite contracts that I'd like to take down too, wonder if
any of them have enough fuel to push into a more equatorial
orbit
L329[08:40:56] <madmerlyn> I thought they
were launching Zuma on the 5th?
L330[08:41:08] <Blaank> what is
Zuma?
L331[08:41:47] <ve2dmn> Blaank: we don't
know
L332[08:41:50] <madmerlyn> secret
government payload
L333[08:41:58] <JCB> Blaank going to make
that a meme now?
L334[08:42:00] <Blaank> On what
rocket?
L335[08:42:06] <madmerlyn> everything I've
read says they haven't even done static fire test on FH yet
L336[08:42:08] <madmerlyn> F9
L337[08:42:33] <madmerlyn> pretty sure
Friday's launch is supposed to be Zuma on a F9
L338[08:42:34] <Blaank> Ok, they tweeted
about the falcon heavy and zumu and the 5th in the same tweet and
confused eveyrone.
L339[08:43:00] <JCB> ya..
L340[08:43:12] <JCB> does SpaceX even have
approval of an actual heavy launch or?
L341[08:43:28] <madmerlyn> static fire has
to happen before they set launch date I believe
L342[08:43:29] <ve2dmn> I bbl
L343[08:43:54] <JCB> imagine the chaos if
htey just launched it anyways?
L344[08:44:18] <JCB> 'oh whoops.. that
wasn't suppose to happen.. clamps just weren't strong enough'..
c_c;
L345[08:44:22] <madmerlyn> when you have
something that expensive you don't just willy nilly launch it
anyways ;)
L346[08:44:36] <madmerlyn> Musk is rich,
but he ain't *that* rich
L347[08:45:02] <JCB> thikn he's got too
much green clouding his vision
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L350[08:49:39] <Blaank> Too much red
L351[08:50:25] <JCB> how you figure?
L352[08:54:50] <Blaank> Mars in his
sights.
L353[08:55:25] <Blaank> I want to see a
tesla semi loaded with trashed powerwalls sent to venus on the
BFR.
L354[08:55:53] <Blaank> Though that second
stage is reusable.
L355[08:56:12] <Blaank> They should take a
tesla semi for a flight then auction it off if they recover
it.
L356[08:56:25] <Blaank> What a collectors
item.
L357[08:59:41] <madmerlyn> Blaank
L358[09:00:12] <madmerlyn> if the Semi's
trailer compartment was properly sealed and the exterior covered in
a basic compound to prevent acid corrosion, the Tesla semi would
float :P
L359[09:00:36] <madmerlyn> at that point
they might as well put legitimate science on it though so we can
study the upper atmosphere
L360[09:05:01] <Oneiros> hitting a perfect
orbit is np but putting a rover inside a cargo bay? there will be
somersaults and explosions
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L362[09:06:48] <JCB> oh speaking of car
going to space... wonder if tires going to just blow up
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L364[09:08:11] <madmerlyn> Oneiros are you
talking about parking the rover in the cargobay after using
it?
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L368[09:22:29] <Oneiros> yup
L369[09:23:24] <Oneiros> it barely fits
inside the ramp. if the alignment is slightly off it starts
flipping
L370[09:23:42] <Oneiros> this game is
difficult
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L373[09:42:18] <petti> usually that kind
of cargo needs to be anchored to the ship via some struts after you
dock
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L381[10:11:53] <transitbiker> bwoop
L382[10:12:03] <transitbiker> livestreams
today, ksp then minecraft
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L384[10:17:22] <transitbiker> so this one
clearly needs more thrust for its mass
L385[10:17:37] <transitbiker> and
airbrakes
L386[10:20:06] <transitbiker> and an
adjusted com
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L389[10:29:14] <Althego> oh wait, there
are hollow earthers now too?
L390[10:31:01] <transitbiker> let's
not
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L392[10:32:49] <transitbiker> mixing the
wheesly and the panther, works well
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L394[10:34:04] <transitbiker> so i put in
a cargo bay right around the center of mass, so it can carry some
cargo without messing with the overall handling
L395[10:34:44] <transitbiker> but of
course i forgot to add a probe core, so the lil drop pod has no way
to deploy chutes
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L397[10:35:19] <transitbiker> probably
have several different drop pods, one with and without passengers,
and one with and without science intruments
L398[10:36:03] <transitbiker> then i can
have one that is just fuel for land or sea based craft
L399[10:38:30] <transitbiker> in theory
this overall design could be applied to a spaceplane for orbital
cargo missions, though the cargo bay would have to be larger to
accomodate rcs and a stage that can get the cargo pod into an
orbit
L400[10:39:44] <transitbiker> basically
its like the virgin galactic concept, but having the payload
enclosed ina cargo bay vs hanging from the stratolauncher
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L407[11:05:55] <petti> hmm the lights in
my VAB are pumping
L408[11:11:10] <Althego> must be running
on the backup generator
L409[11:11:19] <Althego> have you paid the
bills?
L410[11:14:11] <petti> sandbox mode,
should not be a money thing :)
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L414[11:37:12] <Blaank> If you could ask
one question to an omniscient being, what would the best one be for
advancing science?
L415[11:38:03] <Althego> currently
probably a quantum theory of gravity
L416[11:38:28] <transitbiker> anyone ever
heard of "the silk road ensemble"?
L417[11:38:59] <transitbiker> organized by
yo-yo ma
L418[11:39:27] <transitbiker> anyway,
seems as if i am going to a performance of said group o.o
L419[11:42:23] <Althego> are they
performing on the silk road?
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L424[12:22:26] <Althego> hmm, it turns out
it was a supermoon
L425[12:22:36] <Althego> this morning i
looked at it and it looked somewhat bigger
L426[12:23:03] <Althego> i noticed that,
but thought my perception is off a bit
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L428[12:27:05] <UmbralRaptor> Did you
catch the supersun yesterday?
L429[12:27:43] <Althego> no, not really,
dont see the sun much
L430[12:27:53] <UmbralRaptor> (Happy
perihelion!)
L431[12:28:18] <ve2dmn> it was
yesterday?
L432[12:29:36] <UmbralRaptor> Wait, I may
have misread. It might have been this morning?
L433[12:30:13] <UmbralRaptor>
2018-01-03T3:05:35Z
L434[12:30:28] <UmbralRaptor> ;wa current
time utc
L435[12:30:29] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
current time in UTC: 6:30:28 pm UTC -> Wednesday, January 3,
2018
L436[12:30:51] <UmbralRaptor> So about 15
hours ago.
L437[12:31:17] <ve2dmn> I was in bed
L438[12:31:21] <UmbralRaptor> Jan 2 in the
Americas.
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L441[12:32:00] <ve2dmn> no wait... I
wasn't
L442[12:46:08] <madmerlyn> 15 hours ago
was around the time I logged off after strenuous "polite
greetings and small topics of conversation"
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L444[12:47:28] <madmerlyn> so I had an
idea for my first module to write for KSP earlier today
L445[12:47:57] <madmerlyn> thinking it
would tie in to USI-LS nicely
L447[12:48:32] <madmerlyn> wet space
configuration, allow you to either in the VAB or in orbit etc. to
configure empty tanks as wet spaces to use for habitation
etc.
L448[12:49:17] <madmerlyn> in VAB it would
increase fund cost of the tank, in orbit you'd have to use material
kits and/or colonysupplies to configure a tank as a hab space
etc.
L449[12:49:51] <ve2dmn> so re-using
useless space?
L450[12:49:58] <madmerlyn> yeah
L452[12:50:32] <Althego> cool
L453[12:50:39] <Althego> looks a lot more
realistic than spacex
L454[12:50:44] <madmerlyn> sucker weighs
soooo much, but I could make it more useful by say turning the
uppermost tanks into hab
L455[12:50:47] <Althego> because that
would tip and fall over in a second
L456[12:51:49] <ve2dmn> Althego: in a
Martian storm? :)
L457[12:51:55] <Althego> hehe
L458[12:51:58] <Althego> even in
that
L459[12:52:04] <madmerlyn> I think it
would work wonderfully with MKS and USI-LS, having the cost to
convert it require material kits
L460[12:52:06] <Althego> it just needs
dust filters
L461[12:52:19] <madmerlyn> one thing they
got wrong with the Martian
L462[12:52:29] <madmerlyn> even if the
winds are whipping around at 200MPH
L463[12:52:34] <madmerlyn> they're not
breaking anything
L464[12:52:37] <ve2dmn> btw, the Author of
the Martian said that this was the MOST unrealistic part of the
book. It's there for story only
L465[12:52:39] <madmerlyn> not unless it's
very fragile
L466[12:52:43] <Althego> no he didnt get
it wrong
L467[12:52:48] <Althego> he knew it is
impossible
L468[12:53:00] <Althego> but he needed
something where the environment, the nature strikes first
L469[12:53:08] <Althego> and shows to
people who is the boss
L470[12:53:13] <Althego> and everything
after that
L471[12:53:20] <Althego> was a consequent
of that original problem
L472[12:53:23] <ve2dmn> yeah. It is a
volontary oversight.
L473[12:53:59] <ve2dmn> he said so
himself. Even in the worst wind, 1% atmosphere would do almost
nothing
L474[12:54:28] <madmerlyn> global dust
storms would be problematic for solar energy production
though
L475[12:54:29] <ve2dmn> But he no other
'great idea' for a forced evacuation and setup, so he left it that
way
L476[12:55:02] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: the
dust storm later in the book is MUCH more realistic and in-line
with actual Mars
L477[12:56:13] <madmerlyn> so on discord
yesterday someone was talking about some of the Advanced Gemini
mission designs etc.
L478[12:56:14] <Althego> so irinigally
peopel rea his drafts and came up with ways to fix it. mst of the
problems were eliminated. one such problem that is remained. was
the water production. he did the math right. but forgot about heat
production. and the amount of heat is possible to calculate, and
the size of the hab is known, so it can be calculated that the heat
released would have baked watney and the whole lab already
L479[12:56:19] <Althego> *hab
L480[12:56:33] <madmerlyn> do you know
before Apollo they actually considered an "open cockpit
lightweight lunar lander"
L481[12:56:41] <madmerlyn> the US almost
went full Kerbal to the moon.
L482[12:56:46] <Althego> hehe
L483[12:56:54] <Althego> "you never
go full kerbal" :)
L485[12:57:13] <kmath> YouTube - Never Go
Full Retard
L486[12:57:41] <madmerlyn> even the
illustration of the lander looks super kerbal, I might actually
recreate it in KSP in fact
L488[12:58:09] <ve2dmn> so I have a
problem right now...
L489[12:58:25] <ve2dmn> I get an encouter
with the mun, but the prediction does not show
L490[12:58:31] <madmerlyn> that shows the
cockpit having glass, but maybe it's more of a windshield to keep
the lunar dust out?
L491[12:58:42] <madmerlyn> put a maneuver
node at Ap
L492[12:58:52] <ve2dmn> so I only know
what the encouter looks like 3sec after I enter the moon
influence
L493[12:59:00] <ve2dmn> hum... will try
that
L494[12:59:30] <madmerlyn> ever since 1.3
my conics have been real weird, I generally drop maneuver nodes
right at any junction that isn't working correctly and it tends to
fix it
L495[13:00:35] <ve2dmn> it didn't fix it,
but I see the resulting orbit. Workaround accepted
L496[13:00:39] <ve2dmn> Thank you
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L498[13:04:52] <transitbiker> ksp
livestream will be later in the afternoon, anyone wishing to view
the minecraft livestream can do so by clicking the upcoming
link
L499[13:05:14] <Althego> shameless self
ad
L500[13:05:23] <madmerlyn> lol so I'm
looking at the image I made of my Lockheed design..
L501[13:05:35] <madmerlyn> and I just
realized if you look closely at the ATV tracks in the sand
L502[13:05:39] <Althego> i was never
interested in minecraft
L503[13:05:53] <madmerlyn> it looks like
Mr. Astronaut did some "fun laps" around one of the
landing legs
L504[13:05:59] <Althego> actually i think
livestream of ksp is extremely boring in itself
L505[13:06:24] <Althego> unless the guy
playing can come up with an entertaining narration or side stories
while building the craft
L506[13:06:29] <madmerlyn> I mean I think
after 6 months in deep space traveling to Mars, first chance I got
on an off-world ATV I'd cut some donuts too :P
L508[13:07:14] <madmerlyn> nerp.
L509[13:07:27] <Althego> hehe i can see it
now. indeed there are tracks around the lef
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L511[13:10:26] <ve2dmn> thank you mun
encouter, you lowered BOTH my Kerbin AP and PER
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L513[13:10:59] <ve2dmn> (instead of
sending my toward my DOOOOM
L514[13:11:01] <ve2dmn> )
L516[13:13:05] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor:
psychedelic!
L517[13:16:09] <Althego> what is the
pscyhe mission?
L518[13:16:25] <ve2dmn> asteroid
observation
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L520[13:16:42] <Althego> sounds
boring
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L523[13:21:06] <madmerlyn> Mars flyby to
get there sounds neat :D
L524[13:24:21] <madmerlyn> I just hope a
16 Psyche mission is executed better than my orbital survey of
Gilly was :P
L525[13:25:07] <madmerlyn> DMagic contract
required I get high and low mag and radio scans of it, and when I
went down below 5km to get the low.. I miscalculated and found out
how hard Gilly's surface was
L526[13:25:24] <ve2dmn>
Lithobraking?
L527[13:25:35] <madmerlyn> I have a survey
probe doing a contract on Eve though, when that's complete I'm
going to attempt to move it to Gilly to complete that contract, but
it's a bit low on dv
L528[13:25:50] <madmerlyn> otherwise I'll
just get it on my next trip to Eve
L529[13:26:22] <ve2dmn> that's YEARS
away!
L530[13:27:10] <madmerlyn> :shrug:
L531[13:27:31] <ve2dmn> I can't accept any
more contracts because of that very issue :/
L532[13:27:35] <madmerlyn> I've sent
orbital probes to every primary except Eeloo now
L533[13:28:02] <madmerlyn> first mission
is initial science + installation as part of my kerbnet
interplanetary Relay
L534[13:28:19] <madmerlyn> the Eve mission
included 2 smaller survey probes, glad I sent 2 since I crashed one
lol
L535[13:28:42] <madmerlyn> Moho didn't get
a relay though, I don't think I need one on Moho
L536[13:28:46] <ve2dmn> My contracts says
I need to scan for 'FuzzyRessources'
L537[13:28:50] <madmerlyn> first mission
to Moho also crashed
L538[13:28:58] <madmerlyn> but second
mission was a flyby that then went on to Eve
L539[13:29:06] <madmerlyn> so I've
actually sent 2 separate missions to Eve
L540[13:29:18] <ve2dmn> I add relay
antenna anyway: the better the signal, the more science is sent
back
L541[13:29:55] <madmerlyn> my Jool probe
did a flyby of Laythe on the way in before parking in Joolian
orbit
L542[13:30:04] <madmerlyn> Dres is still
en route
L543[13:30:36] <ve2dmn> I made it to Duna
and moho, but everything else is just 'en route'
L544[13:30:45] <madmerlyn> Dres has one of
those gigantic DMagic dishes on it so it's going to be a key
component in my relay network for missions to Jool and Eeloo
L545[13:31:28] <ve2dmn> why not use Deep
Space Optical Communication ?
L546[13:33:20] <ve2dmn> (It's not a
thing.... yet)
L547[13:38:35] <Althego> after all these
years there is still one mystery in ksp i couldnt solve
L548[13:38:58] <Althego> what is the text
on the label which is on the side of the mk1 lander can
L549[13:39:05] <Althego> cant read
it
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L551[13:41:49] <ve2dmn> Althego: 'Danger:
Do not Eat'
L552[13:42:02] <Althego> no, it is 3
lines, much longer
L553[13:42:15] <ve2dmn> seriously though.
I can't check right now.
L554[13:42:21] <Althego> it is on the
right side
L555[13:42:42] <Althego> there is a panel
there, that by the looks of it can be some electric service access
thing
L556[13:43:31] <ve2dmn> What the minimu
Kerbin Altitude to get an encouter with the Mun?
L557[13:43:41] <madmerlyn> :shrug:
L558[13:43:45] <Althego> doesnt
matter
L559[13:44:03] <ve2dmn> it does in this
case: I want to avoid them :D
L560[13:44:05] <Althego> i usually go by
the delta v
L561[13:44:10] <Althego> hehe
L562[13:44:18] <madmerlyn> Althego might
be "Cut Here For Emergency Rescue" or something like
that
L563[13:44:23] <madmerlyn> I know that's
what's on the mk3 cockpit
L564[13:44:27] <Althego> no
L565[13:44:30] <Althego> that is on the
cabin
L566[13:44:38] <Althego> on one of the
cabins
L567[13:44:50] <madmerlyn> I SAWR IT ON
THE MK3
L568[13:45:24] <ve2dmn> No need to get
mad,merlyn
L569[13:46:08] <Althego> the second word
may be electronic(s)
L572[13:48:40] <madmerlyn> that's where it
says cut here in emergency or whatever on the mk3
L573[13:50:03] <madmerlyn> sensitive
electronic>equipment inside>third line is gibberish? :P
L574[13:50:03] <Althego> maybe ...
electronic / equipment panel / ???
L575[13:50:28] <Althego> i guess the 3rd
line would be the joke then
L576[13:50:50] <Althego> ok it may be
sensitive electronic equipment inside
L577[13:51:13] <ve2dmn> Sensitive
electronic Equipement Hatch
L578[13:51:39] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: very
roughly 9.2 Mm? 11.4 is the Mün's altitude, and it has a 2.2 Mm
SOI, IIRC.
L579[13:51:47] <madmerlyn> gonna need a
better screencap I think
L580[13:51:51] <Althego> last letter still
looks like an l to me
L581[13:51:56] <ve2dmn> then followed by
MMQMRMMMMMMMMMM
L582[13:52:02] <madmerlyn> I'm "zoom
in and enhance"ing the crap out of it in gimp and can't make
sense of the third line
L583[13:52:09] <Althego> we have to get a
dev to answer this
L584[13:52:10] <Althego> somehow
L585[13:52:16] <Althego> they must have
the original high res models
L586[13:52:50] <ve2dmn> either that, or
use some kind of nural network to 'ENHANCHE!'
L587[13:52:58] <madmerlyn> I'm pretty sure
the second line is equipment inside though, because the trailing
edges of the E are kinda there but blurry
L588[13:53:44] <madmerlyn> what part is
this off of?
L589[13:54:09] <Althego> the mk1 lander
can
L590[13:54:14] <Althego> right side
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L594[14:01:58] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: I
lost my encouter around that mark, yes
L595[14:02:10] <ve2dmn> I guess at 9Mm I
should be safe
L597[14:05:23] <madmerlyn> I hate using
fairings as design elements
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L599[14:08:58] <Althego> but it looks
nice
L600[14:09:04] <Althego> like a real
hab
L602[14:16:07] <ve2dmn> not a bad idea. I
should copy it
L603[14:19:44] <ve2dmn> ok. now that I
managed to put the thing into an orbit of Kerbin... it ran out of
power and the asteroid itself is blocking the puny solar
panels
L604[14:22:35] <madmerlyn> just wait,
eventually you'll have sunlight again. It could take a quarter of a
year, but whatever :P
L605[14:22:52] <madmerlyn> or send a
kerbal up to stick solar panels on the asteroid
L606[14:23:14] <ve2dmn> nah. I think it's
time to retire my old 'Asteroid mover Mk1'
L607[14:27:36] <ve2dmn> The tourist are
paying Big Bucks for that asteroid. I'll use that money to make my
life easier
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L609[14:39:35] <Mathuin> TIL you can't
push landing gear by hand.
L610[14:43:17] <Mathuin> But you can walk
aftwards on the top of your plane into an obstruction, and *that's*
adequate to roll you back.
L611[14:44:38] <madmerlyn> in discord
someone tried to tell me a gram of neutron star weighs as much as a
truck
L612[14:44:44] <madmerlyn> I was like..
no, it weighs a gram.
L613[14:45:31] <ve2dmn> lol
L614[14:45:51] <Althego> i think i can do
the 5x2t duna mission in 4 segments
L615[14:48:03] <Althego> but i have to
discard a part in orbit around duna and i usually do debrisless
design
L616[14:48:36] <Althego> obviously i could
go down a bit on the mass if i did a branching design instead of
segmented, i could discard some empty tanks that way
L617[14:52:38] <Althego> the critical
point is the reentry because o no heatshield
L618[14:52:42] <Althego> but that can be
mitigated
L619[14:52:48] <Althego> also i will have
some fuel left
L620[14:53:07] <Althego> wait a sec, the
challenge didnt say i cant change fuel flow priorities
L621[14:53:26] <Althego> with that i could
discard the middle segment
L622[14:53:45] <Althego> which is tricky
but i could win some delta v
L623[14:59:18] <Althego> haha i forgot
about the mass rediction because of the discarded part. it will
make it back safely
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L625[14:59:29] <Althego> have to test
tomorrow
L626[15:00:51] <ve2dmn> *sigh* kOS tried
to push infiniti on the stack again
L627[15:01:03] <Althego> hehe
L628[15:01:09] <Althego> what happens
then?
L629[15:02:15] <madmerlyn> runs out of
fuel I imagine
L630[15:02:27] <ve2dmn> it crashes
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L633[15:05:53] <ve2dmn> I guess it didn't
like 0/0.0000001
L634[15:06:55] <madmerlyn> weird, it's not
like you were dividing by 0
L635[15:07:02] <madmerlyn> that should be
a simple, k 0 then.
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L638[15:24:03] <ve2dmn> dammit... my cat
sat on my keyboard and stage my rocket...
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L642[15:30:23] <madmerlyn> 4GB in a Win 95
VM? You could run like 8000 copies of Word 95 on that
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L646[15:42:07] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L649[15:48:11] <ve2dmn> ART adds Bulkheads
to the Asteroids with expendable space (kind of like the inflatable
habitat)
L650[15:49:12] <madmerlyn> that sounds
like maybe RD has already done some of the legwork then
L651[15:49:16] <madmerlyn> time to go
source digging :P
L652[15:49:21] <ve2dmn> :D
L653[15:49:48] <ve2dmn> Configurable
containers lets you change the contents of containers, with some
limitations
L654[15:50:35] <ve2dmn> but your idea of
ressources vs spaces reminds me of submarine bunk beds: The less
torpedoes on board, the more beds
L655[15:51:46] <madmerlyn> so if you have
a full crew you want to sink a few ships in the first days out of
dock?
L656[15:52:15] <ve2dmn> no. They have to
share beds
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L662[16:21:28] <transitbiker> ksp
livestream in a few minutes ^-^
L663[16:24:28] <madmerlyn> will there be
trains?
L664[16:24:44] <transitbiker> mebe?
L666[16:24:52] <transitbiker> live
strreaming now
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L668[16:31:44] <Mathuin> Sigh, RAMP isn't
doing what I seem to recall it did before. :-(
L669[16:35:41] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: so
an SSBN is the only sub with enough beds?
L670[16:38:38] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: I
think that concept of 'barely enough bed' was only in old
subs
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working in windowsless mode. I had to turn fullscreen off. Make
sense really when you think about it
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L699[17:53:51] <transitbiker> whoops
L701[17:54:31] <transitbiker> for how many
in here mock my ability to problem solve and whatnot, its
surprising more are not watching
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L703[18:11:07] <Mathuin> Busy playing
sorry. :-)
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L705[18:14:08] <JCB> ... just woke up
>_<
L706[18:16:50] <ve2dmn> JCB: don't feel
bad, I woke up around 13:30
L707[18:23:57] <JCB> mind you, I crashed
around 9am.. its now almost 430pm
L708[18:24:05] <transitbiker> im about to
make a rocket copter launch into space
L709[18:25:56] <ve2dmn> JCB: I went to bed
at 1:00, woke up at 7:30. went back to bed at 8:00 for a 'quick
nap' while I had a rocket doing a burn in KSP... woke up at
13:00
L710[18:26:40] <JCB> I had only meant to
nap for a short bit.. couldn't get rest, little pet brat was being
restless.
L711[18:26:57] <JCB> I brought him over to
share a pillow and he just curled up by my head
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L713[18:29:09] <transitbiker> ITS
WORKING!
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L715[18:31:02] <ve2dmn> transitbiker: it's
a dancing ballerina?
L716[18:31:17] <transitbiker> its a huge
rocket copter ... balerina
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L718[18:37:27] <ve2dmn> transitbiker: turn
off sas. it's figthing the rotation
L719[18:38:07] <transitbiker> fanks
:D
L720[18:38:36] <ve2dmn> it's spin
stabilised anyway...
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L726[18:52:32] <JCB> rocket
copter...
L727[18:52:42] <JCB> blade tip rockets
sorta thing?
L728[18:52:52] <transitbiker> can you see
the stream video?
L729[18:53:04] <JCB> oh missed sorry
L731[18:53:40] <JCB> ya got it..
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L750[19:33:50] <JCB> mmm...
L751[19:35:16] <JCB> keep racking in my
head the idea to do some video content but keep wondering if it be
worth it... it'll likely start off rather slow, quiet.. gotta some
ideas I wanna do.
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L763[20:23:19] <Oneiros> kinda curious
about the copyright status of mods that name spacex and create
replicas of their rockets
L764[20:23:33] <Oneiros> is it ok as long
as you don't charge?
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L766[20:27:51] <ve2dmn> Copyright is
probably ok, Trademark is probably not
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L769[20:36:57] <Oneiros> seems dodgy to
me
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L771[20:48:35] <iamfishhead1> You might
still be able to get away with it unless you get a cease and
desist
L772[20:54:46] <Oneiros> yeah
L773[20:55:41] <iamfishhead1> Plus I have
seen other mods that add Space X stuff. I don't know if they ever
got such a notice.
L774[20:55:52] <Oneiros> i'd be a bit more
subtle at least. hijacking the logo is really bad practise.
L775[20:56:14] <Oneiros> spacex probably
doesnt care lol
L776[20:56:23] <iamfishhead1> They
probably don't.
L777[20:56:42] <Oneiros> but a nasty
company could get you in trouble.
L778[20:56:54] <iamfishhead1> Or their
lawyers have bigger issues to deal with
L779[20:56:56] <Oneiros> gotta be careful
out in these woods
L780[20:57:04] <Oneiros> haha yeah
L781[20:57:48] <Oneiros> im not sure why
musk doesnt have a mass team of developers making spacex video
games about colonising mars on his rockets
L782[20:58:13] <lordcirth> One thing is
that if a company does not defend their trademark, they can lose
the ability to defend it elsewhere
L783[20:58:15] <Oneiros> i reckon that
would get more people interested than sending his tesla
L784[20:58:30] <lordcirth> So they might
C&D to prevent their competitors being allowed to mess with
their brand
L785[20:58:46] <Oneiros> ok that makes
sense.
L786[21:00:02] <Oneiros> i always thought
you needed approval to use someones logo on your own creation
L787[21:00:13] <iamfishhead1> I mean, I
would personally try it and see. Maybe they don't care. If they do,
the icons could just be changed ...
L788[21:00:19] *
darsie wants to build a barge and land a first stage on
it.
L789[21:00:45] <Oneiros> i might just send
them an email and see what happens haha
L790[21:01:05] <Oneiros> maybe he hasnt
thought about it, though thats unlikely. im curious though.
L791[21:03:19] <ve2dmn> That's trademark.
If you don't protect your trademark, you risk losing it.
L792[21:03:48] <ve2dmn> So always assume
they will fight trademarks, but not copies
L793[21:04:04] <iamfishhead1> I mean, you
could also argue fair use, maybe
L794[21:04:29] <ve2dmn> That's Copyright,
not trademarks
L795[21:04:34] <ve2dmn> Different
things
L796[21:04:41] <iamfishhead1> Trademarks
have fair use as well
L797[21:05:50] <iamfishhead1> Like why
Pepsi could say "Pepsi beats Coke in taste tests" and
showing a can of Coke. That's a fair use of the trademark, and they
don't need Coke's approval.
L798[21:08:04] <ve2dmn> I doubt this fall
under Nominative use, but I'm not a lawyer. I'm just a guy with a
browser and google
L799[21:08:21] <iamfishhead1> Yeah, the
actual logos might be the issue here
L800[21:08:38] <iamfishhead1> Take those
out, and note that it isn't official and you've got a way better
argument
L801[21:08:55] <ve2dmn> The logo are THE
thing that fall under trademark law
L802[21:09:16] <iamfishhead1> Well, yes,
but you can still call it "Kerbalized SpaceX"
L803[21:09:33] <iamfishhead1> That's a lot
more arguably fair use
L804[21:09:59] <ve2dmn> Yes, but since you
can lose your trademark if you don't defend it, trademark lawyers
are agressive by default
L805[21:10:17] <iamfishhead1> I'm not
disagreeing with you there
L806[21:11:10] <Epi>
https://spectreattack.com/ "effectively every
processor since 1995 (except Intel Itanium and Intel Atom before
2013)" that's not good
L807[21:11:20] <ve2dmn> And it cost a lot
of $ to prove you are right, even if it is fair use
L808[21:11:39] <iamfishhead1> I'd just
say, at the same time, it probably would be OK, for, say, me to
make a costume and dress up as a Falcon 9 for Halloween and post
pictures publicly online.
L809[21:11:47] <iamfishhead1> True
L810[21:11:59] <ve2dmn> Epi: isn't that
from a month ago?
L811[21:12:56] <Epi> no idea, just saw
news about it now
L812[21:13:01] <ve2dmn> I don't have the
deep pockets of large coporations, neither the time to spend in
court... so I tend to preach caution in legal cases
L813[21:13:49] <Oneiros> yeah
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L815[21:14:07] <iamfishhead1> Ah, there
are cases where the courts have said it is OK in artistic
expression so long and there is no implied endorsement
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L817[21:15:18] <ve2dmn> Epi: yeah, it's
CVE-2017 numbers from a few weeks ago
L818[21:17:22] <iamfishhead1> Also, if the
person changes the icons to not be the exact logos, but merely
suggest them, or does something like calling it "Space Y"
or something like that, then that is much more clearly fair
use.
L819[21:18:30] <ve2dmn> Again, I am not a
lawyer. These things are possible. Consult your doctor before faire
use.
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L821[21:18:53] <iamfishhead1> And, of
course, it doesn't matter if they think it is fair use and just
ignore it
L823[21:21:01] <iamfishhead1> I can see
them being a bit more liberal with it if the CEO loves the
game
L824[21:21:12] <ve2dmn> It COULD matter.
If someone else uses the name and logo later on, say, toys. They
can argue that SpaceX nothing in this case and...
L825[21:22:12] <ve2dmn> ... *sigh*
L826[21:22:16] <ve2dmn> forget it
L827[21:22:38] <iamfishhead1> Yeah, I'm
mostly just presenting counterpoints to you ve2dmn
L828[21:22:52] <Oneiros> true
L829[21:22:53] <iamfishhead1> I am not a
lawyer either
L830[21:23:31] <Oneiros> the spaceY idea
is safest, i think that kind of thing happens a lot
L831[21:23:47] <Oneiros> everyone knows
who you mean, but you're not actually saying it outright
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L833[21:24:36] <iamfishhead1> Oneiros: I'd
probably, if you talk to him, at least have him put something up
that says explicitly that he is not associated with or endorsed by
Space X
L834[21:25:15] <Oneiros> ok. i posted a
response and he said he put the mod on elon's twitter feed and
didn't get a cease and decist
L835[21:25:34] <Oneiros> i pm'd him as
well. if he responds, i'll say what you said
L836[21:26:00] <Oneiros> the other option
i guess would be to become associated and endorsed by spacex
L837[21:26:23] <ve2dmn> He need a clear
'OK'. otherwise he faces legal remification, which could cost a lot
of time, energy and/or money
L839[21:28:48] <Oneiros> ok i'll let him
know, thanks for the input guys
L840[21:31:12] <ve2dmn> Beware of lawyers.
Beware. Or prepare to meet your DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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L845[21:47:15] <ve2dmn> someone just
called me the biggest nerd for working on kOS code
L846[21:47:28] <ve2dmn> I somehow felt
proud :D
L847[21:50:09] <Oneiros> haha nice
L848[21:50:34] <Oneiros> i loved the sound
of kos but it looked way too codey for me. i need visual interfaces
:p
L849[21:54:16] <ve2dmn> I'm still trying
to visualise how I'm going to make an auto-docking
algorithm....
L850[21:54:50] <ve2dmn> I see a lot of
vectors in my future
L851[21:55:56] <ve2dmn> I see dead
pointers
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L871[23:55:57] <darsie> How do you like
it?