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L5[00:14:58] <cringe> happy 2018
L6[00:15:12] <cringe> may none of you die in a fire
L7[00:15:32] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank Level: 59%
L8[00:17:03] <Supernovy> that sequence of messages has me thinking: Is an orbital fire brigade viable?
L9[00:17:37] <Althego> https://i.imgur.com/d0K5Klr.gifv
L10[00:29:05] <JCB> Sees that I hadn't any science from being landed on mountain biome. Build plane, realize its night. Shrug it off, fly over, make the landing. Get the science. Get blown up while taking off... ffffffffffff >_<
L11[00:31:33] <madmerlyn> helicopter time JCB :P
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L14[00:38:28] <JCB> maybe I'll just ICBM it
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L16[00:52:00] <ckindley> Why do my landed vessels bounce clear off the ground when I switch between them? Sure is getting awfully destructive for no reason.
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L19[01:07:05] <oren> ckindley: that's a longstanding bug that squad seems to never quite fix
L20[01:07:35] <oren> the only way I've found to stop it from happening is to not use legs
L21[01:08:04] <oren> engine bells don't bounce off the ground
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L23[01:22:20] <Mathuin> It happens to landing gear (wheels) as well.
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L27[01:26:08] <JCB> noticed those stick type landing gear, when you land on them, craft kinda gets stuck on an angle and wobbles around
L28[01:45:47] <oren> I'm trying a challenge: fly a piloted craft with no probe core to an altitude at most 45 km and speed at least 1 km/s. EVA and let go of the craft, come alongside the craft, grab aqnd get back in
L29[01:47:22] <oren> I managed it once but I've been unable to redo it
L30[01:48:56] <oren> these altitudes and speeds are where a kerbal can still fly ok but gets buffeted by the wind a lot
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L35[02:11:40] <GlassYuri> 3000 year old wifi routers found in china https://twitter.com/livein_china/status/947722954401464321
L36[02:11:40] <kmath> <livein_china> 中国古代 周王朝時代 の家庭用Wi-Fiルータとのこと(安徽省博物館 所蔵) 数年前、成都で約1,000前の遺跡で出土した土陶器にも、当時の中国でWi-Fiが使われていた印があり話題となったが、約3,000年前からWi-Fiが使わ… https://t.co/m8oDQmD96A
L37[02:12:24] <Althego> lol
L38[02:13:19] <ConductCat> :3
L39[02:14:46] <Rolf> happy new year all
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L46[02:50:57] <Mathuin> Happy New Year
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L48[03:10:49] <petti> http://petti.kapsi.fi/random/KSP/Xcrossdraft1.png these mk2 junction bits allow for some nice designs :-)
L49[03:11:15] <Althego> lol what is this
L50[03:11:20] <petti> a concept
L51[03:11:23] <Rolf> https://youtu.be/6c0wTtq4xDM wow
L52[03:11:23] <kmath> YouTube - Sun Halo over Sweden
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L62[04:15:04] <Blaank> Yeah, the Mk2 and Mk3 stockalike expansions are really good.
L63[04:15:40] <Blaank> Just don't try to radially mount Atlas boosters. They give you the wobblesplosions.
L64[04:15:53] <Blaank> Or those large air assist SRBs
L65[04:15:59] <Blaank> They also have woblesplosions
L66[04:18:52] <petti> It's not too heavy, a single core will lift it up pretty nice. http://petti.kapsi.fi/random/KSP/Xcrossproto2.png
L67[04:19:33] <petti> looots of space in the middle for all kinds of payloads to capture
L68[04:31:50] <Althego> struts solve half of the problems. more boosters solve the other half :)
L69[04:38:30] <petti> that one works just about without either, but I used 4 struts just to be sure :-)
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L71[04:49:02] <Rolf> lol interesting design
L72[04:49:23] <Rolf> space station parts>?
L73[05:01:38] <petti> nope
L74[05:01:51] <petti> mk2 expansion mostly
L75[05:02:45] <petti> I was thinking of a carrier type thing that could haul stuff around or develop into an orbital dock or something
L76[05:04:19] <petti> hmm I could put 6 or 8 legs to that spider
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L86[06:42:49] <Blaank> So if I'm looking for Space Engineers but good, where do I go?
L87[06:43:29] <Althego> lol
L88[06:43:41] <Althego> probably there is nothing like it
L89[06:44:21] <Blaank> Empyrion Galactic Survival looks no better.
L90[06:44:25] <Blaank> I've not played it.
L91[06:44:39] <Blaank> I don't feel like babysitting a hunger meter
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L97[07:11:45] <Mat2ch> Blaank: how much money do you want to throw on that problem? ;)
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L99[07:13:17] <Althego> with enough money you can develop a game to your liking :)
L100[07:13:20] <petti> Someone smells crowdfunding munny
L101[07:15:43] <petti> http://petti.kapsi.fi/random/KSP/xcrossboats.png this thing is starting to look a real dog's breakfast :D
L102[07:15:49] <Mat2ch> nobody would ever fund a game like KSP ;P
L103[07:16:31] <Blaank> pls don't use those radial engines.
L104[07:16:55] <Blaank> At least use 2 of the good ones for more ISP
L105[07:18:20] <petti> the good ones?
L106[07:18:37] <Althego> radial engines suck
L107[07:18:43] <Althego> or at least blow less :)
L108[07:19:20] <petti> I know,I had a 909 back there but I wanted hat rear docking port so I can chain the boats up
L109[07:19:23] <Blaank> The heavier ones have more ISP but still suck.
L110[07:19:33] <petti> the bigger ones are 10x the weight, no go
L111[07:19:43] <Blaank> Ok, you did the math from KER?
L112[07:19:52] <Blaank> dv is actually greater with lower mass and lower isp
L113[07:20:03] <petti> the twitch is 290, thud is 305 isp
L114[07:20:37] <petti> but the enormous weight would surely mean lower dV
L115[07:22:07] <petti> I think those red ones might have been much worse some time in the past because I remember having an awful time with them.
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L119[07:51:56] <Oneiros> who has been perturbing my orbit
L120[07:59:46] <Blaank> KSP can't keep fixed orbits while a craft is active.
L121[07:59:56] <Blaank> I don't know why, but they change over time.
L122[08:00:39] <Blaank> I'm not sure if it evens out cause I haven't left it running for 10 hours but I think eventually you will either collide with the planet or escape from the system entirely unpowered.
L123[08:01:09] <petti> mainly floating point accuracies and physics jiggle I guess
L124[08:01:34] <petti> your chip flexes a little, changes the center of mass a little, changes the orbit a little and there you go
L125[08:01:39] <Blaank> It occurs on single part crafts so it's not flexible joints or colliders.
L126[08:01:59] <Blaank> I edited a probe core into orbit and it still happens.
L127[08:02:18] <petti> do you have the workaround enabled for decaying orbits?
L128[08:02:38] <petti> there was that bug they worked around some time ago, there might have been a setting still for it, don't know if it does anything any mnore
L129[08:02:53] <Blaank> I don't know what you mean
L130[08:02:54] <taniwha> ORBIT_DRIFT_COMPENSATION
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L139[10:01:39] <ve2dmn> good morning
L140[10:03:05] <Azander> hi
L141[10:03:08] <Mod9000> Hello, Azander
L142[10:10:24] <Oneiros> hi
L143[10:10:26] <Mod9000> Hello, Oneiros
L144[10:10:41] <ve2dmn> who's good with spaceplanes?
L145[10:11:27] <umaxtu> uh not me
L146[10:11:40] <Oneiros> good at blowing them up?
L147[10:11:48] <ve2dmn> no
L148[10:12:07] <ve2dmn> I was wondering if a single-fuel spaceplane was possible at all
L149[10:12:09] <Oneiros> k not me either
L150[10:12:29] <ve2dmn> All my previous attempts have been met with utter failiure
L151[10:13:38] <umaxtu> you mean like just liquidfuel no oxidizer?
L152[10:14:26] <ve2dmn> yeah
L153[10:14:52] <umaxtu> I don't think I've ever done it
L154[10:14:53] <ve2dmn> I used a single LV-N with 2 aire-breathing engines
L155[10:14:57] <ve2dmn> air*
L156[10:17:04] <umaxtu> not enough?
L157[10:17:56] <Althego> lv-n is only goof for long range sstos, for lko, you better drop it
L158[10:22:11] <ve2dmn> at 80kn of thrust, no it was not enough
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L167[10:50:53] <darsie> I rescued a Kerbal from Mun by flying close over him, switching to him, letting him jetpack to orbit, and bringing him to Kerbin. Without jetpack fuel he could not slow down for landing but they slow down enough for splashdown if they are not vertical, so I turn the rocket horizontal before they leave the seat.
L168[10:52:22] <darsie> http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot83.png
L169[10:52:37] <ve2dmn> define 'flying close to'
L170[10:52:43] <darsie> <2.2 km
L171[10:53:02] <ve2dmn> was he in orbit? sub orbital?
L172[10:53:06] <Oneiros> nice. apparently the jetpack has about 600m.s of deltaV
L173[10:53:19] <darsie> ve2dmn: He's on the surface of the Mun.
L174[10:54:01] <darsie> Oneiros: Doesn't work on the poles. Missing the little rotational speed Mun has.
L175[10:54:08] <Oneiros> you can also aerobrake in the suit but it heats up pretty quick
L176[10:54:18] <ve2dmn> and you made it into orbit using just the jetpack?
L177[10:54:51] <darsie> One from pole I had to pick up from a suborbital trajectory.
L178[10:54:58] <darsie> ve2dmn: yes
L179[10:55:06] <darsie> I also jumped initially :).
L180[10:55:12] <darsie> jumped forward :)
L181[10:56:01] <darsie> I also tend to walk up to some elevation, not start in a crater.
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L183[10:56:17] <darsie> If it's not too far.
L184[10:56:33] <Oneiros> haha
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L187[10:56:48] <Oneiros> jumping off a lunar cliff into orbit
L188[10:56:53] <Oneiros> excellent
L189[10:56:54] <darsie> :)
L190[10:58:40] <darsie> Ohh yeah, last time the Kerbal was on such a steep slope he had trouble walking up. I used jumps.
L191[11:01:08] <madmerlyn> my KAC is all the way down to 1 alarm for when my Dres probe enters SOI
L192[11:01:39] <madmerlyn> doing a lot of in-system construction before I plan any new interplanetaries, including the dry dock to build my Duna Base Camp on
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L194[11:02:32] <madmerlyn> I deleted all my Gallahad craft files from my current save, Excalibur's field testing is complete and it was time for retirement
L195[11:03:19] <madmerlyn> Excal doesn't quite have the 55t to orbit capacity the full size gallahad did, but it can do an orange tank which will fit the vast majority of my payloads
L196[11:03:46] <madmerlyn> and the crew variation can haul up to 36 kerbals at once
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L199[11:12:37] <Connor> Dose ksp have a discord?
L200[11:13:39] <ve2dmn> Connor: somewhere
L201[11:13:52] <Connor> well https://discord.gg/7JeSZJJ
L202[11:14:05] <madmerlyn> average age is like 13 there
L203[11:14:09] <madmerlyn> very immature crowd
L204[11:14:43] <Connor> well dose it
L205[11:14:45] <Alanonzander> Why use discord with it's high overhead? Use IRC with it's minimal overhead and you can still play KSP at the same time :)
L206[11:14:47] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: we are old :D
L207[11:15:17] <Althego> i am actually running discord too
L208[11:15:23] <petti> discord.. bah, a "new" thing where people cand send messages to each others again?
L209[11:15:23] <Althego> ford dreadnought
L210[11:15:36] <Connor> me too https://discord.gg/7JeSZJJ
L211[11:18:40] <Connor> Is 114 mods overkill?
L212[11:19:00] <Alanonzander> depends on your hardware
L213[11:19:37] <petti> some mods are bigger than others.. :-)
L214[11:19:44] <petti> adding 100 mods of flags is prolly ok
L215[11:20:14] <Connor> why cant ksp hndle 709m rocket
L216[11:22:14] <madmerlyn> time to start dismantling and salvaging parts of my asteroid space station
L217[11:22:15] <Connor> what is 3000p because i got a probe that far out
L218[11:23:28] <Alanonzander> p = Peta I believe
L219[11:23:39] <Connor> how big is that
L220[11:23:58] <Alanonzander> 1 p = 1000 G
L221[11:24:06] <Alanonzander> 1 G = 1000 M
L222[11:24:07] <madmerlyn> Jebediah and Bill en route to take the seldom used hub and leftover lander/hab module off station and return them to KSC so HQ can examine the affects of long-term exposure to space on the hardware
L223[11:24:47] <Connor> what do the letters in the distance thing stand for
L224[11:25:01] <Connor> i lost visual contact whith kerbol
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L226[11:26:21] <madmerlyn> oo I just realized this will be the first docking with an Excalibur :D
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L229[11:28:10] <Connor> alanon what is the key you are using
L230[11:28:16] <petti> hm, wings are almost completely unnecessary for space planes :-) http://petti.kapsi.fi/random/KSP/mattock.png
L231[11:28:18] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: I have a challenge for you. Make a single fuel spaceplane
L232[11:30:13] <ve2dmn> Connor: You mean 'meters, Kilometers, Gigameters, etc'?
L233[11:30:37] <Connor> send me link to what your using
L234[11:32:10] <Connor> can some calculate my distance from kerbol 3000P
L235[11:33:47] <Connor> 3E+15 to the 15th power?
L236[11:37:50] <petti> 3000 petameters would be 3 exameters, or 3e+18m
L237[11:39:25] <Connor> petti what is the skybox you are using
L238[11:40:23] <petti> Connor: Pood's milky way
L239[11:41:45] <Connor> send me a link
L240[11:42:55] <petti> https://spacedock.info/mod/926/Pood%27s%20Milky%20Way%20Skybox that one I think
L241[11:50:28] <Connor> whats the screenshost button
L242[11:50:35] <petti> F1
L243[11:50:36] <madmerlyn> first Excalibur docking
L244[11:50:40] <madmerlyn> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/132478131490521089/397446479586918400/unknown.png
L245[11:50:46] <Connor> ok
L246[11:54:06] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/cd1aea1bfd870c0f06047e59b06f9fa5.png - Built this while streaming to my netbook. Game was running here but was controlling it from upstairs with the netbook. it's REALLY hard with a tiny trackpad...
L247[11:55:47] <Connor> so 3000P= 317 light years
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L249[12:10:29] <Connor> far out man https://imgur.com/jshqFmm
L250[12:10:29] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/jshqFmm.png
L251[12:11:12] <Connor> thats looking in the direction of kerbol
L252[12:11:29] <madmerlyn> dismantling a space station is actually more fun than just deorbiting it :P
L253[12:12:47] <Connor> madmerlyn did you see that image i posted a link to XD
L254[12:13:27] <madmerlyn> huh.
L255[12:13:37] <Connor> https://imgur.com/jshqFmm
L256[12:13:37] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/jshqFmm.png
L257[12:14:04] <madmerlyn> I mean your MET is 22 million years
L258[12:14:21] <Connor> bettertimewarp mod
L259[12:14:32] <madmerlyn> ok, what's the point exactly?
L260[12:15:00] <Connor> to see how far i can get out in irl light years
L261[12:17:27] <petti> well isn't it just a case of the longer you wait the further you will be without any actual purpose
L262[12:17:39] <Connor> https://imgur.com/2ItYClO
L263[12:17:39] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/2ItYClO.png
L264[12:19:13] <Connor> !
L265[12:19:16] <Connor> 406.522521
L266[12:19:29] <Connor> lightyears from kerbol
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L268[12:21:31] <Connor> xeta am 406.522521 lightyears from kerbol
L269[12:23:44] <Connor> XD game crashed!
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L271[12:26:25] <petti> not very surprising
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L279[13:19:20] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: do you think it's possible to make a liquid fuel only spaceplane? is are the LV-N not powerfull enough?
L280[13:19:36] <madmerlyn> definitely possible
L281[13:19:41] <Althego> it is possible
L282[13:19:53] <Althego> i did a no oxidizer to duna challenge a few months back
L283[13:20:00] <Althego> ok, it had a little monoprop for duna landing
L284[13:20:31] <Althego> wasnt the most capable ssto, because it had an excess amount of nukes
L285[13:20:46] <Althego> because of the requirement
L286[13:20:50] <Althego> but it did work
L287[13:22:12] <madmerlyn> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/132478131490521089/397466926508408832/unknown.png
L288[13:22:20] <madmerlyn> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/132478131490521089/397469522925322263/unknown.png
L289[13:22:25] <madmerlyn> station disassembly :)
L290[13:22:47] <madmerlyn> this SSTO will probably be worth more when it lands than it was when it went up lol
L291[13:23:18] <Althego> hehe
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L294[13:28:57] <madmerlyn> now bill is carting a 600kg storage container on his back to the shuttle *very* carefully so he doesn't run out of monopropellant
L295[13:29:44] <ConductCat> :3
L296[13:29:55] <Althego> hehe
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L298[13:30:20] <madmerlyn> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/132478131490521089/397471597176422400/unknown.png
L299[13:31:54] <ve2dmn> Sorry, I'm kind of sick
L300[13:32:04] <ve2dmn> Can't respond in a timely manner
L301[13:35:11] <madmerlyn> science team is departing on 1st generation Lancelot spaceplane that has been docked there for months
L302[13:37:57] <madmerlyn> Bill is back in the Excalibur taking a break, might make another space walk to squeeze just a little more cargo in before disembarking the first mission to tear down Magnus
L303[13:39:09] <oren> Should I use argon or xenon
L304[13:39:48] <madmerlyn> argon's cheaper
L305[13:40:02] <madmerlyn> NFE also nerfs the stock ion
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L307[13:42:22] <Ezko_> http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article122593759.html
L308[13:42:26] <Ezko_> oops wrong channel
L309[13:42:41] <Althego> hehe
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L312[13:46:00] <UmbralRaptor> Ezko: I'm afraid that in accordance with the KSP forum rules, we must now execute you.
L313[13:46:22] * ve2dmn puts popcorn in the microwave
L314[13:46:22] <Ezko_> oh dog what done
L315[13:46:28] <Althego> a-a-a, no killing on the playground
L316[13:46:30] <madmerlyn> science crew landed safely on runway :)
L317[13:46:47] <madmerlyn> didn't even have to switch on the engines after re-entry
L318[13:46:53] <madmerlyn> glided all the way down
L319[13:50:38] <UmbralRaptor> sudo chmod 111 /usr/ezko/*
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L321[13:51:31] <Ezko_> UmbralRaptor: /ban *!*@* please
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L328[14:04:07] <oren> replacing the monoprop upper stage with a argon upper stage made the whole craft lighter and increased all the lower stages' delta v too
L329[14:04:51] <oren> maybe this one will finally make it to moho
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L331[14:06:38] <madmerlyn> re-entry was a little messy, but this thing flies well enough once it goes subsonic I was able to get it back on trach
L332[14:06:52] <madmerlyn> had to do a couple high thrust bursts to jump it back to the KSC
L333[14:07:00] <madmerlyn> but about to recover all that sweet hardware from the station
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L335[14:09:12] <madmerlyn> let's see what the recovery value is :D
L336[14:09:24] <ve2dmn> My space station broke off into pieces... had to revert back 4h
L337[14:09:37] <madmerlyn> 311890 funds recovered
L338[14:09:58] <madmerlyn> launch cose was 231598
L339[14:10:01] <madmerlyn> cost*
L340[14:10:31] <madmerlyn> just under 80k in recovered equipment once you take fuel cost for getting it out
L341[14:11:22] <ve2dmn> madmerlyn: congrats
L342[14:11:43] <ve2dmn> I should (maybe) deorbit my old station
L343[14:11:54] <madmerlyn> tearing it down is kinda fun :D
L344[14:12:04] <ve2dmn> it's too big
L345[14:12:16] <madmerlyn> I'm going to scrap some of the annoying bits into material kits I think
L346[14:12:45] <oren> I reassembled my old space station into a space train
L347[14:14:46] <madmerlyn> this asteroid station is all 2.5m parts so with a little KAS magic I can fit all the pieces into cargobays and deorbit :)
L348[14:15:03] <madmerlyn> parked a little tug up there to help move the big pieces
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L350[14:15:16] <ve2dmn> My station has probably enough dV to get to Eeeloo
L351[14:15:28] <darsie> I just got a 6 M contract to map 19 asteroids. My sentinel was already in the right orbit so I just had to wait a few years ...
L352[14:15:34] <madmerlyn> since it has a 5t asteroid on it and some fuel I'm probably going to drill out the asteroid and use it as a small fuel depot once I get the part count down low again
L353[14:15:49] <darsie> Not that I need that money ...
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L356[14:16:53] <madmerlyn> I need to get a new science mission to Minmus out of way, now that I've egressed my asteroid station I have no science coming in
L357[14:17:00] <madmerlyn> and I'm not done with CTT yet
L358[14:17:39] <darsie> My asteroid missions failed due to the asteroid eats ship bug.
L359[14:18:12] <madmerlyn> I'm going to build a new dry-dock station, already launched the first piece in fact, around 175km orbit
L360[14:18:23] <madmerlyn> it's going to have the training facility on it among other things
L361[14:18:31] <madmerlyn> and it's going to build my Duna interplanetary vessel
L362[14:18:51] <madmerlyn> although I guess the training facility doesn't do much in LKO huh
L363[14:19:21] <ve2dmn> I still need to understand the whole 'MKS LS' chain
L364[14:20:02] <madmerlyn> if I land the training academy on Mun or Minmus I can train up to 3 stars with it
L365[14:20:22] <madmerlyn> I have 1 5-star pilot, scientist, and engineer already from doing rescue missions
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L367[14:20:37] <madmerlyn> I think I'll incorporate the training akademy into my main Mun base
L368[14:20:50] <madmerlyn> and just haul all the non 3-star guys down there
L369[14:21:09] <madmerlyn> Excalibur can take them all to orbit, will just need a spacebus to take them to Mun and back
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L388[15:50:52] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L396[16:22:36] <ve2dmn> Evening, Supernovy
L397[16:22:53] <Supernovy> yo
L398[16:24:42] <ve2dmn> in terms of dV what is the most efficient: going directly to 350km or going to a parking orbtit at 100km first?
L399[16:24:56] <ve2dmn> or does it matter at all?
L400[16:33:55] <Supernovy> Direct
L401[16:34:22] <Supernovy> 1. you can use the LV's fuel, 2. You only have to perform one circularisation
L402[16:35:19] <ve2dmn> true
L403[16:36:04] <ve2dmn> It's for my space Hotel, but it's a good test of my new kOS Scripts-with-parameters
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L407[16:55:41] <Connor> WTF
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L416[17:33:46] <darsie> Damn, while trying to escape with my eierlegende Wollmilchsau ( http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot95.png ) Mun threw me back on a small suborbital trajectory.
L417[17:35:18] <darsie> Ohh, btw, after building cheap rescue rockets, this time I tried to build something expensive. 12 RTGs, 1 Dawn, big xenon tank, almost all the sensors.
L418[17:37:04] <darsie> One unexpected flaw ... the scientist has to get out of her seat to reset the goo and materials bay and jetpack back.
L419[17:37:46] <darsie> The intention was to put them next to the seat so they could be reset from there, but no.
L420[17:38:40] <ve2dmn> if you add a science bay, you won't have to get out
L421[17:38:55] <darsie> cargo bay?
L422[17:39:29] <darsie> And let the scientist float in it?
L423[17:39:52] <ve2dmn> the lab
L424[17:40:13] <ve2dmn> The MPL-LG-2 can reset experiements
L425[17:40:15] <darsie> Ahh, that's too heavy for the ion drive.
L426[17:40:29] <ve2dmn> pff, nothing is too heavy for an ion drive
L427[17:40:56] <darsie> I thought, maybe I'll visit every world I haven't been to, yet.
L428[17:41:16] <darsie> Or those outside Kerbin.
L429[17:42:39] <darsie> You saw the ship? I think it looks so cool how they ride it like a motor cycle :).
L430[17:43:07] <darsie> Or a nuke like in Dr. Strangelove.
L431[17:43:11] <ve2dmn> we don't have the same definition of 'expensive' :P
L432[17:43:24] <darsie> What's your idea of expensive? :)
L433[17:43:49] <darsie> This one is like 370,000 VF.
L434[17:43:58] <ve2dmn> Space Hotel with space for 50 kerbals
L435[17:44:07] <darsie> ok :)
L436[17:44:35] <darsie> Yeah, I'm not into building kilostructures.
L437[17:44:41] <ve2dmn> plus the Life Support, and some space for fuel
L438[17:45:13] <darsie> Do you get the fuel from Kerbin or asteroids?
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L440[17:46:05] <ve2dmn> I over-design, so I always have extra fuel
L441[17:46:32] <ve2dmn> And I'm trying to slowly recreate my old ships. Things of this size: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/275091545265748375/97125D78A3B71A0F0020652075848EC68294DCE8/
L442[17:46:37] <darsie> You could put it slightly into the atmosphere and reboost it peroidically :).
L443[17:47:36] <ve2dmn> And also, this monster: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/275091545265748612/52F3C2FC990AD01CF3F4CA82328C6EDC26414E82/
L444[17:48:11] <darsie> Gilly?
L445[17:48:26] <ve2dmn> You can see Eve in the background
L446[17:48:33] <darsie> Ahh, yeah.
L447[17:48:59] <darsie> My irl camera also has (less severe) distortions like this.
L448[17:49:05] <ve2dmn> The only thing mising in that screenshot was the lander I carried around
L449[17:49:42] <ve2dmn> but it's a new career and I don't have all the parts unlocked yet
L450[17:50:15] <ve2dmn> plus, it's kind of hard to build vessels that big that don't detroy the CPU from having a million parts
L451[17:50:25] <darsie> mhm
L452[17:51:32] <ve2dmn> I'm probably gonna order a new CPU
L453[17:51:53] <darsie> core2 quad 3 GHz here.
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L455[17:52:12] <ve2dmn> got an i5 something
L456[17:52:38] <darsie> 6 GB RAM
L457[17:52:49] <ve2dmn> the best I can get for my current motherboard is an i7-4790K
L458[17:52:56] <ve2dmn> but that's still 500CAD
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L460[18:00:26] <darsie> Ohh, well, my rocket (the last stage of it) has just 8100 m/s dv, so I guess it wouldn't make it 'everywhere'. It was interesting to build, though.
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L464[18:19:45] <madmerlyn> Rover is working on a planet pack? interesting.
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L466[18:32:10] <madmerlyn> ve2dmn done anything with kos today?
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L471[19:12:31] <madmerlyn> docking inside a cargo bay with the door closed because I can't turn SAS on without a RCS feedback loop on the main vessel
L472[19:12:45] <madmerlyn> AND I had to take the RCS thruster blocks off to fit it into the cargo bay
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L475[19:16:29] <Lili-Anna> Hello.
L476[19:17:41] <darsie> hi
L477[19:17:44] <Mod9000> Hello, darsie
L478[19:17:53] <darsie> Heil Mod9000
L479[19:18:14] <Lili-Anna> How are you?
L480[19:18:19] <darsie> I'm male.
L481[19:18:45] <Lili-Anna> <Grins> Alright. How are you?
L482[19:18:57] <darsie> I'm expired.
L483[19:19:14] <Lili-Anna> As in, exhausted, or otherwise?
L484[19:19:22] <darsie> Beyond my best before date.
L485[19:19:46] <Lili-Anna> Sorry to hear...
L486[19:20:24] <darsie> I'm rich.
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L488[19:21:14] <Lili-Anna> I'm a bit tired at the moment. Many things will most likely go over my head.
L489[19:21:26] <darsie> I have 14 MVF.
L490[19:21:55] <Lili-Anna> I do not understand, but okay.
L491[19:22:05] <darsie> 14 million virtual funds.
L492[19:22:28] <Lili-Anna> Should I congratulate you?
L493[19:22:33] <darsie> sure
L494[19:22:34] <darsie> why not
L495[19:22:47] <darsie> Have you achieved orbit?
L496[19:23:30] <Lili-Anna> Is this an RP group?
L497[19:23:57] <Lili-Anna> If so, I am out of place with the added bonus of lacking any knowledge.
L498[19:23:58] <darsie> Well, it's a bit of role play if I say I'm a millionaire in KSP money.
L499[19:24:29] <darsie> Have you played Kerbal Space Program?
L500[19:24:48] <Lili-Anna> Funny thing, that.
L501[19:24:54] <Lili-Anna> Never heard of it.
L502[19:25:03] <Mathuin> Whoa, RP KSP.
L503[19:25:09] <darsie> Check it out. There's a free demo on steam.
L504[19:25:11] <Mathuin> That's ... hard to imagine.
L505[19:25:38] <Lili-Anna> I don't play games online... <Smiles sheepishly>
L506[19:25:46] <darsie> It's an offline game.
L507[19:27:10] <madmerlyn> I don't know what's going on here
L508[19:27:24] <TheKosmonaut> We do not allow RP in this channel
L509[19:27:32] <Kalpa> Looks like someone is putting on their robe and wizard hat.
L510[19:27:37] <TheKosmonaut> Or on the forum for that matter
L511[19:28:07] <tawny> putting on my robe and wizard hat would mean I'm not *always* wearing my robe and wizard hat
L512[19:28:17] <darsie> TheKosmonaut: So I'm not allowed to play Jeb here?
L513[19:30:11] <Lili-Anna> Well... I've still never heard of it.
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L515[19:30:55] <Lili-Anna> Err, anyway. Is there a good place for a conversation?
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L517[19:32:16] <darsie> Dunno. I've only been to this channel on espernet. I'm mostly on freenode.
L518[19:32:33] <Lili-Anna> Shoot... Thanks!
L519[19:33:03] <Lili-Anna> I'm limited in channel options. <Smiles wryly>
L520[19:36:45] <madmerlyn> yay re-entered without flat spinning
L521[19:38:14] <TheKosmonaut> Lili-Anna: this channel is supposed to be focused on KSP (Kerbal Space Program) but it's also very off topic about 2/3 of the time
L522[19:41:30] <Lili-Anna> Thank you for that, TheKosmonaut.
L523[19:41:51] <Lili-Anna> I just...need a conversation. <Smiles>
L524[19:42:15] <madmerlyn> awkward landing, lost rear "land assist gear", but rest of plane is intact, and gear landed on runway so I'll still get the recovery value for it :D
L525[19:42:20] <TheKosmonaut> You're welcome here of course. Just watch for the various traps.
L526[19:42:57] <Lili-Anna> What kind of traps?
L527[19:43:00] <TheKosmonaut> madmerlyn: it was an impromptu structural integrity test! Congratulations, you passed.
L528[19:43:05] <madmerlyn> haha
L529[19:43:24] <TheKosmonaut> Lili-Anna: trap doors, crocodile moats. The usual
L530[19:43:32] <madmerlyn> it's my latest mk3 SSTO, just completed the second mission to tear down parts of my asteroid station
L531[19:43:41] <Lili-Anna> Also, thank you. (I might become a broken record with those two words.
L532[19:43:50] <madmerlyn> part count was up in the laggy territory and the science lab dried up
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L534[19:44:03] <madmerlyn> so I'm stripping it down to be a purely fuel depot
L535[19:44:07] <Lili-Anna> Sounds fun!
L536[19:44:07] <TheKosmonaut> And be extra careful around Rokker. He's very defensive when it comes to MiGs. He loves Russian airplanes
L537[19:44:25] <Lili-Anna> Rokker... Okay!
L538[19:45:06] <Lili-Anna> Do I have a misunderstanding of what role-play is?
L539[19:45:16] <madmerlyn> TheKosmonaut stripped down HKO asteroid station, getting ready to start my Deep Space mission in station that's been orbiting Minmus empty for about a year
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L541[19:45:38] <Rokker> TheKosmonaut: screw you
L542[19:45:46] <madmerlyn> ayyy it's Rokker
L543[19:45:57] <Lili-Anna> <Laughs a little>
L544[19:45:59] <TheKosmonaut> Lili-Anna: oh. Well in this channel. There have been people in the past that join, roleplaying a character from the game.
L545[19:46:10] <Rokker> madmerlyn: where
L546[19:46:12] <TheKosmonaut> It gets very tiresome
L547[19:46:30] <madmerlyn> Mar A Lago maybe?
L548[19:46:46] <Lili-Anna> Well, luckily, I lack any and every knowledge of this game.
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L550[19:46:56] <madmerlyn> what a strange place to end up then
L551[19:47:06] <TheKosmonaut> Lili-Anna: do you play games at all?
L552[19:47:07] <madmerlyn> it's a game about orbital mechanics
L553[19:47:22] <Lili-Anna> Pandemic is a popular one.
L554[19:47:35] <taniwha> madmerlyn: and then some
L555[19:47:41] <Lili-Anna> (Pandemic legacy, that is.)
L556[19:47:55] <madmerlyn> I still have no idea how to approach writing a spaceplane landing script for kOS
L557[19:48:16] <Lili-Anna> Err, yes. Yes, I play board games and a couple card games.
L558[19:48:23] <madmerlyn> programmatically orbiting is easy, landing.. that's.. a lot harder hehe
L559[19:48:47] <Lili-Anna> I will wish you luck, Madmerlyn.
L560[19:49:22] <madmerlyn> I can land the planes manually Lili :) I'm just being a nerd and trying to write autopilots from scratch using a mod
L561[19:49:29] <TheKosmonaut> Is pandemic like plague Inc?
L562[19:49:40] <Lili-Anna> I assume so.
L563[19:50:11] <madmerlyn> I was just excited to get my last re-entry accurate without flat spinning
L564[19:50:32] <madmerlyn> first step in solving landing programmatically is figuring out how to do it consistently manually :P
L565[19:52:50] <Lili-Anna> Ah! I forgot to ask. Would you explain MiGs?
L566[19:53:35] <Lili-Anna> Twin engine jet fighter, surgery...
L567[19:53:51] <madmerlyn> surgery?
L568[19:54:09] <madmerlyn> yes, it's a former Soviet, current Russian fighter jet
L569[19:54:24] <Lili-Anna> Minimally Invasive Glaucoma Surgery
L570[19:54:37] <madmerlyn> or family of jets actually
L571[19:54:47] <Lili-Anna> Sounds cool!
L572[19:56:04] <madmerlyn> boo, got a rescue kerbal+ship contract and it's too big to fit into my mk3 cargobay, guess I'll have to oldschool it and tug it back in with a heatshield
L573[19:56:34] <Lili-Anna> So, be wary of the crocodile moats,MiGs, and trap doors.
L574[19:57:01] <madmerlyn> TheKosmonaut did you see my latest spaceplane earlier?
L575[19:57:49] <madmerlyn> I got OPT for wings and Mk4 for parts, so retired my pure stock cargo plane
L576[19:58:45] <Lili-Anna> Say, since you all seem to be into games, any suggestions?
L577[19:59:05] <madmerlyn> KSP will teach you a lot about space :D
L578[19:59:29] <madmerlyn> in a slightly less intimidating format than real space exploration
L579[19:59:59] <Lili-Anna> Thanks, Madmerlyn! ^^
L580[20:00:20] <madmerlyn> my latest plane: https://i.imgur.com/CIAUwv8.png
L581[20:01:16] <madmerlyn> can take orange tank to low orbit, or 18t to high orbit, with plenty of fuel left for deorbit and flight maneuvers, I've had to do some high thrust hops to get over the mountains on several loss of control authority incidents
L582[20:01:55] <Lili-Anna> Looks good! My understanding is, that's an upgrade.
L583[20:03:05] <Lili-Anna> What about you, TheKosmonaut?
L584[20:03:22] <madmerlyn> actually think after losing gear on last flight I'll take the landing assist gear off, I haven't had issues with tailstrikes on this model
L585[20:04:34] <Lili-Anna> If it's okay, I'll nod and smile. <Grins sheepishly>
L586[20:05:10] <Connor> hey is this a record 60000 petameters
L587[20:05:19] <Lili-Anna> (For the lack of understanding that I seem to have an abundance of.)
L588[20:05:47] <madmerlyn> basically, the game doesn't have stuff like multiposition landing gear, so I put special gear that I only use during landing and not during takeoff towards the back of the plane
L589[20:06:01] <madmerlyn> so when I land the tail doesn't hit the ground and break
L590[20:06:27] <madmerlyn> but this particular plane doesn't have that problem, my previous plane had it frequently because the take-off gear was so far up the chassis
L591[20:08:40] <Lili-Anna> I'm glad to hear it.
L592[20:09:52] <Connor> Fukboi A boy that thinks he can get in any girls pants. Chances are he comments heart eyes on girls Instagram in hopes of getting her to like him. You can often find them lurking in the girls bathroom at star bucks to swoop in and fuck yo bitch. White Girl 1: Oh my gawd Karen!!!! GAVIN JUST COMMENTED ON MY SELFIE!!! *squeals* White Girl 2: "Ew what the actual fuck Jessica. Why would you be excited over Gavin?!? He is a total man whore. He is the biggest
L593[20:10:13] <madmerlyn> um what?
L594[20:10:35] <TheKosmonaut> Connor: no
L595[20:10:40] <TheKosmonaut> None of that
L596[20:10:45] <Connor> def of fuckboi
L597[20:10:56] <TheKosmonaut> Read the channel rules
L598[20:11:02] <TheKosmonaut> No language
L599[20:11:04] <Connor> Fuck you
L600[20:11:14] <Connor> Fuck the rules
L601[20:11:18] *** Connor was kicked by TheKosmonaut (Connor))
L602[20:11:37] <madmerlyn> I think discord has spilt over into IRC
L603[20:11:37] <Lili-Anna> <Lets out a breath>
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L605[20:11:48] * Azander sighs
L606[20:12:07] <Azander> Wish this was over on the irc network I run, it would be a network ban instead of just a channel one :/
L607[20:12:12] *** Connor was kicked by TheKosmonaut (Connor))
L608[20:13:46] <Lili-Anna> <Looks around> Well, at least I now know the language here won't be bad.
L609[20:14:26] <TheKosmonaut> Can I just have lunch in peace
L610[20:15:29] <Lili-Anna> ...Who was that directed towards?
L611[20:15:49] <Azander> the banned idiot I suspect
L612[20:16:19] <Lili-Anna> Okay.
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L614[20:16:55] <Lili-Anna> (I ask because it seemed a direct response to my own comment.)
L615[20:20:42] <madmerlyn> Did I tell you guys I'm doing a Duna mission using the Lockheed Martin proposal as my guideline?
L616[20:22:00] <madmerlyn> here's the lander I made for it https://i.imgur.com/EafdIH1.png
L617[20:23:11] <darsie> cool
L618[20:23:25] <Lili-Anna> Cool#
L619[20:23:31] <Lili-Anna> *Cool!
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L621[20:25:05] <Azander> madmerlyn: Nice
L622[20:25:32] <Supernovy> neato
L623[20:25:52] <madmerlyn> obviously couldn't put an external elevator on it so it has ladders
L624[20:26:18] <madmerlyn> and couldn't find a nice drop down ramp so the bottom is a Karibou attached to a node and rotated
L625[20:26:46] <madmerlyn> my base camp isn't going to look a whole lot like the Lockheed design though, mostly because of all the stuff I'm bringing along for USI-LS etc.
L626[20:27:30] <madmerlyn> and instead of using base camp as the interplanetary transit, I'm going to set it up as a permanent station and use my Orion analog (which definitely doesn't look like an orion) to do the transfer
L627[20:28:46] <madmerlyn> LM design calls for sending the science module ahead and then the crew comes with the rest of the base camp, I'm just going to send the entire base camp ahead instead of science module, and have the crew come in on a vessel with enough hab to get them there within safety margins
L628[20:29:50] <madmerlyn> initial mission will include a powerplant and a few survey probes, so I can scout out resources before the kerbals show up
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L632[20:42:06] <Lili-Anna> Disconnected. Back!
L633[20:42:06] <Ezko_> Azander: i think we have some ircops here
L634[20:42:28] <Ezko_> at least one, can't remember who
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L637[20:44:51] <Lili-Anna> Ircops?
L638[20:46:11] <Ezko_> internet relay chat operators
L639[20:46:30] <Ezko_> the people here who have @ here before their name are channel operators
L640[20:46:40] <Ezko_> ircops are network operators
L641[20:48:31] <Lili-Anna> Interesting...
L642[20:48:47] * Azander is an ircop on 2 different network, just not this one :/
L643[20:49:03] <Ezko_> Lili-Anna: they're the ones who can kick, ban and stuff like that
L644[20:49:34] <Ezko_> ´/whois Lili-Anna
L645[20:49:38] <Ezko_> ops
L646[20:51:20] <Lili-Anna> I'm no one. <Smiles wryly>
L647[20:51:39] <Lili-Anna> Not here. Anyway.
L648[20:51:56] <Lili-Anna> *Not here, anyway. A bit new.
L649[21:09:59] <Rokker> ...
L650[21:10:33] <Lili-Anna> Hello!
L651[21:14:40] <Ezko_> Rokker
L652[21:16:17] <Lili-Anna> How are you?
L653[21:16:24] <Iskierka> https://youtu.be/gXfnrEguhxA
L654[21:16:24] <kmath> YouTube - Darude - Sandstorm (Potato Cover)
L655[21:16:26] <kuzetsa> the green space people, and non-green [probably non-green] internet people welcome you, Lili-Anna
L656[21:17:03] <Lili-Anna> Well, thank you! <Smiles warmly> I appreciate that, Kuzetsa.
L657[21:17:32] <kuzetsa> :( :( :(
L658[21:17:54] <kuzetsa> I can never tell if it's someone's autocorrect / tab completion trying to be considerate, or someone manually capitalizing kuzetsa
L659[21:19:01] <Lili-Anna> Apologies, kuzetsa. I normally capitalize names.
L660[21:19:17] <kuzetsa> like - it's either someone's software assuming people don't make the right capitalization decision on their own nicks (which means the software designer made the assumption, auto-tab or otherwise), or the person manually typing it does the same
L661[21:19:39] <TheKosmonaut> RoKkeR
L662[21:19:47] <kuzetsa> ellen (ellen degeneres) isn't capitalized
L663[21:19:51] <kuzetsa> intentionally
L664[21:20:27] <Lili-Anna> I never ran into a problem with someone's name being wrong. Once again, apologies.
L665[21:24:17] <Lili-Anna> Do you accept my apologies, kuzetsa?
L666[21:26:41] * madmerlyn blinks.
L667[21:27:40] <Lili-Anna> (Im tired. Please don't judge me based off this single day. Thank you.)
L668[21:28:36] <kuzetsa> hmm? oh I was AFK
L669[21:28:44] <kuzetsa> ok
L670[21:28:55] <Lili-Anna> ((Rephrase. Please don't form opinions of me based off of today.)
L671[21:29:09] <Lili-Anna> Alright. ^^
L672[21:29:19] <kuzetsa> was more stating a personally relevant peve than casting judgement on your personality
L673[21:29:48] <Lili-Anna> Thank you for clearing that up. <Smiles>
L674[21:29:51] <kuzetsa> the premise / logic for a particular grammar thing annoys me
L675[21:30:13] <kuzetsa> I'd rather not judge a book by it's cover though
L676[21:30:18] <kuzetsa> 'cause that's a fallacy too
L677[21:30:20] <kuzetsa> heh
L678[21:30:32] <kuzetsa> *its
L679[21:30:33] <madmerlyn> in English proper pronouns, of which nicknames count, are always capitalized. Seems a rather odd peeve to get bent out of shape over
L680[21:30:46] <madmerlyn> Also, Ellen is capitalized, she just uses a lowercase e in her branding.
L681[21:30:47] <kuzetsa> madmerlyn: your nick isn't capitalized :P
L682[21:30:57] <madmerlyn> I also don't care if someone caps my name
L683[21:31:36] <kuzetsa> yep - it's yours
L684[21:31:37] <madmerlyn> my name is more or less all lowercase because I was too lazy to bother capping both Ms
L685[21:33:13] <kuzetsa> anyway - my shape is unbent. my original wording was about people trying to be gramatically proper but really they're just presuming the other party considers a change in capitaliziation is desirable
L686[21:33:30] <kuzetsa> because it's percieved as the considerate thing to do
L687[21:33:57] <Lili-Anna> It is, by general population.
L688[21:33:58] <kuzetsa> I don't see the logic in it
L689[21:34:23] <tawny> my solution is to capitalize absolutely nothing except the singular "I"
L690[21:34:31] <madmerlyn> the logic is proper nouns are capitalized and people are used to it
L691[21:34:40] <kuzetsa> prescriptivism
L692[21:35:07] <kuzetsa> there's not much logic in removing all critical thinking and analysis and falling back on prescriptivism "because it's the right way"
L693[21:35:33] <madmerlyn> critical thinking? It's grammar, something that is heavily into conforming to rules
L694[21:35:51] <kuzetsa> sure, if authoritarian rules are a thing you enjoy
L695[21:35:56] <Lili-Anna> You shouldn't really get upset over it. It's considerate by general standard.
L696[21:36:03] <madmerlyn> also non-native speakers have a hard enough time with English's tendacy to break the rules
L697[21:36:24] <Lili-Anna> I agree with Madmerlyn, there.
L698[21:36:36] <kuzetsa> to each their own
L699[21:36:55] <madmerlyn> authoritarian rules? lol we're talking about capitalization not the First Amendment
L700[21:37:01] <kuzetsa> the messaging is that pre-defined rules matter more than personal preferences
L701[21:37:18] <madmerlyn> you're making a mountain out of an ant hill
L702[21:37:20] <tawny> ..........I guess??
L703[21:37:29] <kuzetsa> ::shrug::
L704[21:37:38] <kuzetsa> there's not zero logic in my viewpoint
L705[21:37:47] <kuzetsa> I know that perscriptivism exists
L706[21:37:56] <Lili-Anna> kuzetsa, I believe you've stated your point.
L707[21:38:04] <madmerlyn> it's not perscriptivism, no one told you you should capitalize your nick
L708[21:38:22] <Lili-Anna> The majority of the people in this conversation disagree.
L709[21:38:42] <Lili-Anna> (To kuzeysa. Not Madmerlyn.)
L710[21:38:43] <kuzetsa> I get that
L711[21:38:59] <kuzetsa> yeah that just felt like it was out of spite though
L712[21:39:00] <TheKosmonaut> Hey
L713[21:39:02] <TheKosmonaut> This conversation
L714[21:39:04] <TheKosmonaut> It's over
L715[21:39:25] <TheKosmonaut> Y'all getting bent outta shape over a small case K
L716[21:39:25] <tawny> WE SHOULD ALL TALK LIKE TELEGRAPH MESSAGES STOP
L717[21:39:52] <madmerlyn> tawny but I don't know cherokee
L718[21:40:06] <Lili-Anna> <Grins> THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING STOP
L719[21:42:35] <madmerlyn> Georgia beat OK, if Bama beats Clemson we'll have an All SEC championship next week
L720[21:42:36] <kuzetsa> madmerlyn: I don't think many people do - my grandmother grew up during the period where there was a push for cultural assimilation and making sure all the native persons spoke english. I'm not even sure there's a keyboard layout for the written form even though the unicode consortium added the letters for writing out the sequoyah syllabary in the past decade or whenever :/
L721[21:43:42] <kuzetsa> re: cherokee
L722[21:43:55] <madmerlyn> it was a joke in reference to codebreakers..
L723[21:44:04] <kuzetsa> ah :/
L724[21:44:12] <kuzetsa> yeah that was a thing too
L725[21:44:14] <kuzetsa> meh
L726[21:44:25] <Lili-Anna> .....*kuzetsa. (Rather than kuzeysa. Sorry for that typo!)
L727[21:45:06] <TheKosmonaut> Cherokee https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FTQHhTeY/1514864677.JPG
L728[21:45:08] <Lili-Anna> I just noticed that. (And I often correct typos.)
L729[21:45:41] <kuzetsa> heh that client shows the gecos field thinger which gets pulled in by a lot of IRC clients. okay.
L730[21:46:19] <kuzetsa> well assuming a posix-flavored OS
L731[21:46:53] <TheKosmonaut> Best keyboard is still T9
L732[21:47:03] <kuzetsa> ANIHORTES > T9
L733[21:47:04] <kuzetsa> :3
L734[21:47:15] <TheKosmonaut> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/IlbDXg87/1514864831.JPG
L735[21:51:41] <kuzetsa> huh I just realized anihortes and dvorak prioritize most of the same letters for the same reasons
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L737[21:53:27] * TheKosmonaut checks for a Dvorak layout
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L739[21:57:17] <TheKosmonaut> I haven't used a dvorak keyboard before
L740[21:57:40] * darsie uses the Dvorak layout on a German keyboard.
L741[21:58:03] <Lili-Anna> I'm going to clock out.
L742[21:58:24] <Lili-Anna> G'night, everybody!
L743[21:58:40] <Iskierka> @ TheKosmonaut Japan is insane https://i.imgur.com/gKb2zIu.mp4
L744[22:01:02] <TheKosmonaut> Iskierka: is there a source for that clip? Looks pretty cool
L745[22:01:33] <Iskierka> someone took Tamiya mini 4wd to the extreme, far as I can identify. Not found the actual source clip
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L747[22:02:22] <Iskierka> https://youtu.be/PbAfbCVizdo?t=32 different clip trying the same thing (and try open it in a way to keep the timestamp, intro music is bleh)
L748[22:02:22] <kmath> YouTube - tamiya mini 4wd super highspeed
L749[22:03:33] <Iskierka> wouldn't be surprised if the original clip uses too much kanji for me to know what to search
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