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L1[00:00:20] <TheKosmonaut> Gasher[work]: until when?
L2[00:00:28] <Gasher[work]> until 9th
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L4[00:07:27] <HsPanda> Hello!,
L5[00:14:14] <TheKosmonaut> HsPanda: hi
L6[00:15:08] <TheKosmonaut> Gasher[work]: that's a pretty good amount of time
L7[00:15:16] <Gasher[work]> yes
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L47[03:57:29] <APlayer> OK, so how would I get the Mach number in Kerbins atmosphere given an altitude and a velocity? Should be possible, shouldn't it?
L48[04:04:26] <Althego> i thin, you can calculate it from dynamic and static pressure
L49[04:04:36] <Althego> just do as any real adc does
L50[04:11:44] <Althego> cant you ask the game for it? i mean in a simulator this would be available from the aero module
L51[04:12:02] <Althego> and obviously the game has to know it because of the jet velocity curves
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L54[04:19:06] <APlayer> I cannot really, because kOS does not expose this info
L55[04:19:48] <APlayer> I think I managed to get every parameter I need to calculate it, except for the temperature - and there you go, because I have no idea how to get /that/.
L56[04:23:13] <APlayer> I need to know the density at a given altitude somehow. Apparently you can get it if you are at the particular spot, but you cannot really get it in advance
L57[04:23:23] <Althego> and again, the game obviously has that too, because that is what the science istrument delivers
L58[04:23:56] <APlayer> But this is kOS, not the game :P
L59[04:24:02] <Althego> but that may be oat, which may not be what you want
L60[04:24:33] <Althego> if the scirpting language does not give you this, it is obviously flawed. mods can access it
L61[04:24:48] <Althego> at worst you could make an extension of kos to handle it
L62[04:24:58] <APlayer> The scripting language exposes a whole lot of things, but not everything
L63[04:27:20] <APlayer> I guess I'll just have to gather atmospheric temperature data, then...
L64[04:27:42] <APlayer> Or pester ve2dmn about it, he had a setup for that yesterday
L65[04:28:14] <Althego> there is a temperature diagram on th wiki for kerbin
L66[04:28:39] <APlayer> Yeah, but I can't really use it to read out data for further calculations
L67[04:28:52] <Althego> but actual temperature is also dependent on time of day
L68[04:30:07] <Truga> FAR gives you mach number
L69[04:30:10] <APlayer> ... or I just ignore the whole Mach number thing and assume the rockets Cd * A to be constant, which is almost is in the range that I care about
L70[04:30:16] <APlayer> In the ranges*
L71[04:30:43] <Truga> oh for kOS
L72[04:30:45] <Truga> no idea
L73[04:30:59] <APlayer> Because I care about far supersonic and far subsonic only, the transonic part is exactly /the/ one part that I don't need to calculate
L74[04:53:04] <APlayer> Ugh, so I do this approximation, and the next thing I get is dynamic pressure... And it also needs the density
L75[04:53:24] <APlayer> Like a slap in the face, "No, you're not gonna circumvent this problem!"
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L77[04:55:21] <APlayer> You know what, I'll just take a value out of this table that is approximately in the middle of the area I need, and assume it is constant
L78[04:55:46] <APlayer> Calculating things with missing parameters for the formula is no fun
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L92[05:57:06] <Blaank> Was nuclear pulsed propulsion ever tested as a ful ship design/
L93[05:59:23] <APlayer> No, never. That would require setting off nuclear bombs
L94[05:59:36] <Blaank> They did that a lot.
L95[05:59:37] <APlayer> Many nuclear bombs, even
L96[06:00:16] <APlayer> Well, they did not test it as a form of propulsion
L97[06:01:14] <Blaank> Wouldn't they be relatively dirty because really huge bombs use up fuel better and small bombs have more waste? Or is it more nuanced than that?
L98[06:02:15] <sandbox> was anything explosive ever tested as a form of propulsion? (other than the obvious)
L99[06:04:18] <Deddly> sandbox, yes - the ICBM technology was planned to put a satellite in space
L100[06:04:27] <Epi> what's the obvious? They did try a bomb rocket thingy in like the 60's
L101[06:04:31] <Deddly> Not ICBM
L102[06:04:46] <Deddly> the massive gun thing
L103[06:05:08] <sandbox> Epi, fuel
L104[06:05:28] <Epi> hmm maybe the footage i'm seeing now is the same nuclear Project Orion one
L105[06:08:49] <Blaank> I don't think the ISP of explosives could surpass dedicated rockets.
L106[06:09:09] <Blaank> Nukes are kind of the exception as they have absurd energy in tiny amounts of mass.
L107[06:09:25] <Blaank> And we don't have a closed cycle fully nuclear rocket yet.
L108[06:09:45] <Blaank> Nuclear Salt Water and Nuclear Pulsed and nuclear thermal are what we have right now.
L109[06:09:57] <Blaank> I think nuclear salt water can be done with current tech.
L110[06:11:02] <APlayer> What's the benefit of the salt in the water?
L111[06:11:23] <Blaank> It's nuclear fuel in a liquid and when you put two pipes to one pipe it goes critical and basically explodes.
L112[06:11:46] <Blaank> So you have a nuclear explosion shooting H2O out the back.
L113[06:12:11] <Blaank> I think that's how it goes.
L114[06:12:23] <Blaank> I'm not sure why the word salt is in the name.
L115[06:12:41] <APlayer> Because nuclear salts, got it
L116[06:13:06] <Blaank> In chemistry, a salt is an ionic compound that can be formed by the neutralization reaction of an acid and a base.
L117[06:13:08] <APlayer> Salt = ionic bond, mostly happens between metals and non-metals
L118[06:13:29] <Blaank> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_salt-water_rocket
L119[06:13:47] <Blaank> the rocket would be fueled by salts of 20 percent enriched uranium or plutonium.
L120[06:15:23] <Blaank> I think NSWR is possible with current tech.
L121[06:15:40] <Blaank> NPP certainly is. And NTR certainly is.
L122[06:17:09] <APlayer> "[...] the exhaust would [...] be travelling [...] faster than Solar escape velocity, [...]"
L123[06:17:19] * APlayer googles solar escape velocity: 617.5
L124[06:17:22] <APlayer> km/s
L125[06:17:32] <APlayer> Not bad stuff, there
L126[06:17:58] <Blaank> It's an interesting idea.
L127[06:19:13] <Blaank> We really need orbital shipyards so we can send up and use stuff that nobody would want going off in their own country.
L128[06:20:32] <Blaank> Do railguns scale forever based on rail length?
L129[06:20:52] <Blaank> Like a 10km long railgun would be 10x better than a 1km long railgun?
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L133[06:30:04] <Althego> probably not in atmosphere
L134[06:30:27] <Althego> and the rails erode because of the contact with the projectile and that is worse by its speed
L135[06:31:00] <Mat2ch> but what if you use magnetic rails? ;)
L136[06:40:13] <APlayer> What if your rails are 1337 and indestructible?
L137[06:40:58] <Althego> they need to be in contact with the projectile so that an electricalcurrent can flow
L138[06:41:21] <Mat2ch> the problems with railguns to space is: Almost everything will burn up, before it reaches space...
L139[06:41:22] <Althego> what if they are not solid? like plasma
L140[06:41:27] <Mat2ch> and you can't make orbit with it either
L141[06:42:21] <Althego> heh it is few minutes past leet time
L142[06:43:49] <Althego> what, railguns to space, that is crazy
L143[06:44:02] <Althego> cargo needs to be g force tolerant
L144[06:44:11] <Althego> and there is a need for an ablative heat shield
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L147[07:01:23] <APlayer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission-fragment_rocket#Dusty_Plasma "With exhaust velocities of 3% - 5% the speed of light and efficiencies up to 90%, the rocket should be able to achieve over 1,000,000 sec Isp."
L148[07:04:00] <APlayer> This whole article is pretty amazing
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L150[07:07:50] <Althego> what is this? i want one
L151[07:08:54] <Althego> this is around as efficient as the epstein drive in expanse
L152[07:09:06] <Althego> it would open up the solar system
L153[07:11:38] <Deddly> APlayer, and yet 10 years on since the source was written, where is the technology now?
L154[07:15:46] <Deddly> I guess this isn't the same thing? https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/nasas-plasma-rocket-making-progress-toward-a-100-hour-firing/?comments=1
L155[07:16:47] <Althego> that was vasimr
L156[07:16:58] <Althego> not exactly nasa but they pay for it
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L158[07:21:15] <Deddly> I think it says as much in the article
L159[07:23:40] <APlayer> Deddly: Aerospace is slow
L160[07:24:21] <APlayer> And even slower if you don't have a working prototype to show off, because nobody wants to risk billions of research funds for some piece of technology that may not even work in the end
L161[07:24:56] <Deddly> I want to waste billions of research funds on tech that might not work
L162[07:24:57] <APlayer> Also, nuclear rockets pose a whole new set of problems you don't have to deal with from a purely technological standpoint, because everybody is afraid of nuclear things
L163[07:26:04] <APlayer> Deddly: Alright, please waste a few billions of research funds on me, I want to research if I can reach Mars by jumping really hard
L164[07:26:09] <Deddly> OK
L165[07:26:24] <Deddly> Begin
L166[07:26:46] <APlayer> Too dangerous, I could break through the ceiling
L167[07:26:52] <APlayer> I need funds for a helmet first
L168[07:27:40] <Althego> hehe
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L172[07:31:08] <Deddly> We'll add a little extra in the #KSPMods monthly pay for channel ops
L173[07:41:16] <Oneiros> nice where do i apply
L174[07:45:38] <APlayer> Squad HQ, please send a full application including CV and personal information before the end of the year
L175[07:46:23] <Althego> hehe
L176[07:50:09] <Deddly> In triplicate
L177[07:51:44] <Alanonzander> don't forget it also has to be in at least 3 of their supported languages as well
L178[07:51:49] <Althego> vogons?
L179[07:52:13] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbN1NaQ7yQI
L180[07:52:13] <kmath> YouTube - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy-Vogons
L181[08:00:45] <Oneiros> hell no lol
L182[08:01:25] <Althego> just because the article contained triplicate
L183[08:02:20] <TheKosmonaut> https://i.imgur.com/WygP4Jv.jpg
L184[08:02:26] <TheKosmonaut> Getting closer and closer
L185[08:02:35] <TheKosmonaut> My prediction is still right tho
L186[08:02:40] <TheKosmonaut> No launch in 2016
L187[08:04:09] <Oneiros> :D
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L196[08:23:12] <Deddly> TheKosmonaut, I could have told you 12 months ago there would be no launch in 2016
L197[08:23:48] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly: yeah I could have told you 13 months ago!
L198[08:24:04] <TheKosmonaut> also. Yes how I see my blunder
L199[08:24:14] <Deddly> :P
L200[08:24:27] <TheKosmonaut> I predicted no launch in 16 too.
L201[08:24:45] <TheKosmonaut> Meanwhile some crazies have been saying this is the year since like 2012
L202[08:24:46] <APlayer> TheKosmonaut: Well, could you have told it with certainty?
L203[08:25:10] <APlayer> How could you know Musk had no secret underground hangar where he already had a dozen FHs ready for flight?
L204[08:25:28] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: I could have. Because I am just very pessimistic regarding SpaceX and their timetables
L205[08:26:07] <APlayer> Well, that's subjective, and has no place in a scientific community such as ours :P
L206[08:26:23] <TheKosmonaut> This year was the first year where I thought it was possible but I held me ground
L207[08:26:47] <Deddly> TheKosmonaut, What's your prediction for 2018? ;)
L208[08:27:05] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly: well I don't doubt a launch in Q1 for FH
L209[08:27:13] <TheKosmonaut> Since they have the hardware in place
L210[08:27:18] <Deddly> Think it'll work?
L211[08:27:21] <TheKosmonaut> I don't think it'll work
L212[08:27:24] <APlayer> Well, true that, Elon is a bit optimistic with his time management. But what, IMHO, sets his companies apart from others is that he sooner or later actually does what he promised
L213[08:27:46] <TheKosmonaut> Whether it's a complete failure or a failure to hit the desired trajectory is something I can't really place
L214[08:28:01] <APlayer> No other aerospace company is making leaps such as SpaceX, despite them clearly missing their deadlines
L215[08:28:09] <Deddly> I think what sets his companies apart from most others is that they are not only about making money - that is one major difference that is either good or bad depending on your perspective
L216[08:28:53] <APlayer> I feel like it's 50% about his hobbies and not money :D
L217[08:29:20] <Deddly> How many people are there actually planning on making a moon base just because this is the future and it would be cool?
L218[08:29:41] <TheKosmonaut> SpaceX worries me with their QC
L219[08:29:45] <TheKosmonaut> they cut corners
L220[08:29:45] <APlayer> Pretty much half of NASA, I guess
L221[08:29:54] <TheKosmonaut> The DOD ripped them apart in a recent audit
L222[08:29:56] <APlayer> QC?
L223[08:30:04] <Althego> enough struts but it will be so funny when the boosters hit the core :)
L224[08:30:16] <TheKosmonaut> See here https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CoZ3mndR/dod+spx+audit
L225[08:30:19] <Deddly> I just hope that Tesla Roadster doesn't get smashed
L226[08:30:35] <JCB> eh...
L227[08:30:43] <Althego> rest assured it will :)
L228[08:30:50] <JCB> big boom
L229[08:30:57] <Althego> big bada boom :)
L230[08:31:20] <Deddly> What's that from, TheKosmonaut?
L231[08:31:23] <APlayer> "we found bottles of soda and personal items in FOD-controlled areas"
L232[08:31:25] <JCB> they could have at least thrown on an experimental ion thruster and some solar panels for science
L233[08:31:32] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly: the US Dept of Defenfe
L234[08:31:34] <APlayer> ...uh, name me a company that doesn't do such things?
L235[08:31:37] <TheKosmonaut> Defense
L236[08:31:51] <Althego> defenfe :) covfefe :)
L237[08:31:55] <Deddly> TheKosmonaut, it reads like a Risk assessment
L238[08:32:05] <TheKosmonaut> https://media.defense.gov/2017/Dec/22/2001860659/-1/-1/1/DODIG-2018-045_REDACTED.PDF
L239[08:32:14] <APlayer> Post failure investigation, more like
L240[08:32:40] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: nah. It was from june 2016 to March 2017
L241[08:32:54] <APlayer> I was replying to Deddly
L242[08:33:07] <TheKosmonaut> Oh
L243[08:33:17] <APlayer> "it reads like a Risk assessment" - "Post failure investigation, more like"
L244[08:33:36] <TheKosmonaut> Nobody said you could address The Deddly directly
L245[08:33:49] <TheKosmonaut> Do not look The Operator in the eyes
L246[08:34:00] <Deddly> That's true. TheKosmonaut, ask him who gave him the right to do that
L247[08:34:08] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly is now Theodore's worriedly know assessor
L248[08:34:12] <TheKosmonaut> ...
L249[08:34:19] <TheKosmonaut> What the heck Gboard
L250[08:34:33] <TheKosmonaut> TheOppressorFormerlyKnownAsDeddly*
L251[08:34:47] <Deddly> Gboard may not address me directly
L252[08:34:56] *** Deddly is now known as Judge_Dedd
L253[08:35:19] * Judge_Dedd frowns at everybody
L254[08:35:21] <TheKosmonaut> Deddly is a bipedal ape like mammalian just like the rest of us
L255[08:35:37] * APlayer judges Deddly
L256[08:36:05] <APlayer> I've just had an idea....
L257[08:36:09] <Judge_Dedd> It's OK, I'm merely Theodore's worriedly know assessor
L258[08:36:10] <APlayer> What if I do
L259[08:36:14] <TheKosmonaut> Just because he also possesses gills and has been determined to be from Europa's subice oceans, doesn't mean we need to be alarmed by his Armada in orbit
L260[08:36:15] *** APlayer is now known as OPlayer
L261[08:36:50] <TheKosmonaut> Us ops are just like you... The people
L262[08:36:50] <Judge_Dedd> TheKosmonaut, I told you not to mention that armada.
L263[08:37:04] *** OPlayer is now known as APlayer
L264[08:37:08] <TheKosmonaut> Now, please. Continue to bring us tribute
L265[08:37:19] <TheKosmonaut> Judge_Dedd: I apologize, oh benevolent one.
L266[08:37:34] <JCB> the report makes me think Space-x sorta starting to slack off a bit in operations
L267[08:37:40] <Judge_Dedd> TheKosmonaut, as long as you don't mention any of the other ones, I think we got away with it.
L268[08:37:55] <TheKosmonaut> Judge_Dedd: not even the tiny submarine fleet?
L269[08:38:07] <TheKosmonaut> JCB: more like SpaceX has always been like this
L270[08:38:18] <Judge_Dedd> TheKosmonaut, I want that kept under wraps until the big day, so as not to spoil the surprise
L271[08:39:07] <Judge_Dedd> TheKosmonaut, did Elon get back to you to say if he wanted us to pick up the Tesla afterwards and sell it on Ebay?
L272[08:39:23] <TheKosmonaut> Judge_Dedd: no.
L273[08:39:28] <TheKosmonaut> He prefers Etsy
L274[08:39:33] <TheKosmonaut> Or Alibaba
L275[08:39:48] <Judge_Dedd> Hmm. He did pay us to let it into orbit though, so he's serious about this.
L276[08:40:12] <TheKosmonaut> The fool.
L277[08:40:13] <JCB> Teething problems at Space-x much?
L278[08:40:30] <TheKosmonaut> They're serious issues.
L279[08:40:34] <TheKosmonaut> But issues that can be fixed
L280[08:40:57] <TheKosmonaut> I mean... There was that clip of a spanner visibly floating about in space after the dragon separated from stage 2 of falcon
L281[08:41:11] <TheKosmonaut> That guy was fired afaik
L282[08:41:17] <APlayer> Issues regarding a noncompliance with AS9100C
L283[08:41:20] <TheKosmonaut> Was it a spanner or a bolt? It was something
L284[08:42:14] <APlayer> "There was that clip of a spanner visibly floating about in space [...] That guy was fired afaik"
L285[08:42:25] <Judge_Dedd> Wait wait wati
L286[08:42:28] <APlayer> Tomorrow's headlines: SpaceX fires spanner
L287[08:42:32] <Judge_Dedd> There's a spanner in orbit?
L288[08:42:33] <Iskierka> Kosmo, was that audit caused by the COPV failure or unrelated but took note?
L289[08:42:49] <Judge_Dedd> So we could literally throw a spanner in the works?
L290[08:42:55] <TheKosmonaut> Iskierka: standard audit afaik
L291[08:43:16] <TheKosmonaut> I believe ULA received one around the same period
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L293[08:43:32] <JCB> ugh and get a call to run out.. good thing I didn't actually start working on something.... hasta
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L295[08:43:36] <APlayer> Also tomorrow's headlines: Spanner fired by SpaceX took revenge by hitting the ISS
L296[08:44:01] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: disgruntled spanners are the leading cause of ISS accidents and Kepler syndrome
L297[08:44:20] <TheKosmonaut> Kessler
L298[08:44:25] <TheKosmonaut> Not Kepler
L299[08:44:51] <Althego> hehe
L300[08:44:53] * APlayer LOLs at "Kepler syndrome"
L301[08:45:36] <TheKosmonaut> Did you ever see Gravity? George Clooney is killed by a spanner
L302[08:45:42] <APlayer> Is that when you compulsively have to determine random object's orbits?
L303[08:47:10] <Althego> i was thinking the same :)
L304[08:47:40] <APlayer> It's relieving to know I am not the only apparently crazy person in here
L305[08:48:38] <TheKosmonaut> APlayer: you are
L306[08:48:43] <TheKosmonaut> We are portions of your brain
L307[08:48:56] <TheKosmonaut> Trying to deal with the fact that money of this is real
L308[08:48:58] <APlayer> Argh, why do you do this to me?
L309[08:49:02] <TheKosmonaut> Look behind you, Neo.
L310[08:49:15] <TheKosmonaut> Go down the rabbit hole.
L311[08:49:36] <TheKosmonaut> Such a great movie. Especially the first time I saw it. I don't know how well it holds up now.
L312[08:49:43] <TheKosmonaut> Too bad they never did sequels.
L313[08:50:05] <APlayer> So, what if the reality you know is actually a product of your imagination, while in fact you are a crazy person currently restrained to a hospital bed to prevent you from killing yourself or someone else?
L314[08:50:05] <Althego> hehe xkcd
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L316[08:51:20] * APlayer stops pondering about that. The thoughts cause headaches just like thinking about infinity
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L319[09:13:18] <ve2dmn> There is an xkcd for everything... is there an xkcd for referencing xkcd?
L320[09:13:56] <Althego> not really a self referencing kind of comic
L321[09:14:04] <APlayer> Oh yes
L322[09:14:15] <Althego> there are several xkcd phones
L323[09:14:27] <APlayer> Self-referencing comic: https://xkcd.com/688/
L324[09:16:30] <APlayer> Also self-referencing comic, although not xkcd self-referencing: https://xkcd.com/978/
L325[09:22:20] <APlayer> Is this text on xkcd new? "xkcd.com is best viewed with Netscape Navigator 4.0 or below on a Pentium 3±1 emulated in Javascript on an Apple IIGS
L326[09:22:20] <APlayer> at a screen resolution of 1024x1. Please enable your ad blockers, disable high-heat drying, and remove your device
L327[09:22:20] <APlayer> from Airplane Mode and set it to Boat Mode. For security reasons, please leave caps lock on while browsing."
L328[09:22:41] <APlayer> Uh, it inserted the line breaks
L329[09:25:50] <Oneiros> netscape navigator. such memories
L330[09:26:02] <ve2dmn> APlayer: from where?
L331[09:26:19] <APlayer> xkcd, looks like it's on every page at the bottom
L332[09:27:52] <ve2dmn> ha. the tiny 1point font
L333[09:28:42] <ve2dmn> I have 40CAD in nintendo eshop credit... what should I buy?
L334[09:54:05] <lordcirth> APlayer, it's been around for at least a year that I reemember
L335[09:54:30] <APlayer> Must have missed it until now
L336[09:55:16] <ve2dmn> dammit... I'm very bad at making 'cars' and I keep roling around
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L339[10:04:37] <ve2dmn> found the issue
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L344[10:47:33] <APlayer> Lesson learned from this project: Set up your testing environment so, that you can test without headaches, even if setting it up costs a lot of time
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L346[10:49:51] <APlayer> Well, there you go
L347[10:50:15] <APlayer> First test of a new part of the script, suicide burn starts, looking good and then I crash into this pod north of KSC
L348[10:50:23] <APlayer> Why is that thing even there
L349[10:50:33] <APlayer> North of the launch pad, that is
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L358[11:09:56] <darsie> Kerbal reentering above KSC: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot82.png
L359[11:10:00] <Mathuin> The monolith?
L360[11:10:16] <darsie> me?
L361[11:10:26] <Mathuin> darsie++ that is awesome. No, the monolith was to APlayer.
L362[11:10:31] <darsie> ok :)
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L366[11:23:49] <Althego> lol that monolith has been there for a long time now. it became a bit bigger though
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L403[13:08:21] <Draconiator> I think I can die happy, definately living in the future. hell, I think my television is more powerful than my first computer now heh
L404[13:09:30] <madmerlyn> it has to be otherwise it wouldn't be able to spy on you
L405[13:10:19] <Althego> hehe
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L423[14:28:37] <Blaank> This is a modification to the liquid-core design which uses rapid circulation of the fluid to create a toroidal pocket of gaseous uranium fuel in the middle of the reactor, surrounded by hydrogen. In this case the fuel does not touch the reactor wall at all, so temperatures could reach several tens of thousands of degrees, which would allow specific impulses of 3000 to 5000 seconds
L424[14:29:27] <Blaank> Raptor engine is like 350 seconds?
L425[14:30:18] <Blaank> 375 vac
L426[14:35:41] <UmbralRaptor> Gas core NTR: mid (or arguably upper) level ion Isp, low end chemical TWR.
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L428[14:39:47] <Blaank> What number of electrons are on the outer shell of an argon atom?
L429[14:40:33] <Blaank> derp, 8
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L434[14:51:51] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L435[14:52:28] <darsie> hi
L436[14:52:29] <Mod9000> Hello, darsie
L437[14:54:34] <SnoopJeDi> Supernovy's greetings
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L440[15:08:12] <lordcirth> A Medusa Drive could theoretically be 50k to 100k Isp
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L443[15:09:24] <madmerlyn> so anyone know if IKAROS is still active? all I've been able to find was that it was *supposed* to come out of hibernation for the 5th time like.. 2 years ago
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L447[15:35:17] <Blaank> What is a medusa drive? Nuclear lightbulb?
L448[15:35:22] <Blaank> You see the light you die?
L449[15:38:02] <ConductCat> :3
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L452[15:46:17] <Blaank> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_pulse_propulsion#Medusa nuclear kite sail
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L454[15:55:38] <lordcirth> Yup, like Orion but lighter and more surface area
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L456[15:58:17] <Blaank> They aren't using shaped charges, though.
L457[15:58:23] <Blaank> Or are they but wider spread?
L458[15:59:55] <lordcirth> You still need to wrap the bomb in reaction mass, shaped would be better
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L461[16:20:05] <madmerlyn> caved in and got OPT just for the wings heh
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L463[16:20:24] <madmerlyn> not using any of the super OP engines, but the wings are helping me reduce part count
L464[16:20:41] <madmerlyn> and some of the cockpits are pretty neat
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L469[16:46:16] <lordcirth> You can get B9 Procedural Wings as it's own mod on CKAN
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L473[17:24:56] <Draconiator> https://i.gyazo.com/45de5c6e6e38eb6583ee12d6342f0f69.jpg FINALLY finished my reorganization of my gaming cabinet. Incidentally most of those consoles are on my table now that it's free of junk.
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L475[17:29:01] <whales> nice :)
L476[17:33:52] <ve2dmn> Draconiator: I am jealous
L477[17:34:19] <ve2dmn> My parents would not let my own any console, so I was 'stuck' with a C64
L478[17:38:58] <JCB> my parents got sick of having to shell out cash for new consols what seemed like every year.
L479[17:40:33] <JCB> apparently there's a bit of an small 8bit consol revival in recent times
L480[17:40:48] <ve2dmn> yes
L481[17:44:50] <JCB> was looking at an atari 7800 at a local store, but they not sure why its not working. I told them I'd buy it anyways..
L482[17:45:43] <JCB> BTW.. if you still that C64 on hand.. 8-bit guy recently did a homebrew RTS game for it that he's selling now.
L483[17:48:47] <ve2dmn> JCB: I saw that
L484[17:48:58] <ve2dmn> I don't have the C64 anymore
L485[17:49:06] <ve2dmn> sold it when I was 16
L486[17:53:07] <ve2dmn> I got a video card to play Simcity 2000 instead
L487[17:54:17] <JCB> heh... original simcity on c64... well , played on a friend's box
L488[17:54:46] <ve2dmn> I didn't have that. I learned of the existance of that version in a book.
L489[17:55:07] <ve2dmn> I was disapointed. I would have probably played it a lot more then the DOS version
L490[17:55:21] <ve2dmn> (which is the first game I bought with my own money)
L491[17:58:09] <ve2dmn> btw, I have now atteint peak cat ownership. My cat has a cat
L492[17:58:45] <JCB> I also played origina simcity on PC-DOS... was my first intro to window'ing type systems prior to windows itself.
L493[18:00:35] <ve2dmn> I still have the floppies for that game
L494[18:00:47] <ve2dmn> Along with the graphic sets
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L496[18:01:33] <Mathuin> https://imgur.com/gallery/vGuBPJS -- this is the kind of space in which a kerbal controller makes sense to me.
L497[18:04:00] <ve2dmn> that is insane
L498[18:06:07] <JCB> eh....
L499[18:06:09] <JCB> https://i.imgur.com/MJ1ulfy.gifv
L500[18:06:20] <JCB> at least it doesn't do that with the rider.
L501[18:08:12] <madmerlyn> so ve2dmn I've built a spaceplane around the OPT 'J' body, but without the OP OPT engines
L502[18:08:48] <ve2dmn> nice
L503[18:08:50] <ve2dmn> pic?
L504[18:09:00] <madmerlyn> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/132478131490521089/396439252038057984/unknown.png?width=1170&height=659
L505[18:09:12] <ve2dmn> slick
L506[18:09:30] <madmerlyn> can put 54t of payload in 250km orbit with 345m/s left for deorbit
L507[18:09:49] <madmerlyn> and still some liquid for flight after re-entry if necessary
L508[18:10:42] <madmerlyn> which is 551 after dropping the payload apparently, enough to bring orbit down a little before re-entry
L509[18:11:39] <madmerlyn> the engines I'm using are the mk4 spaceplane stuff though, scimitars and the big turbojet
L510[18:11:41] <JCB> sacrifice a little payload capacity for space maneuvering thrusters and fuel?
L511[18:12:22] <madmerlyn> yeah, I'm just going for maximum payload right now as the next step beyond my Gallahad
L512[18:12:35] <madmerlyn> most missions I run are well below 55t per launch
L513[18:12:54] <madmerlyn> so I'll whip a configuration up for ~25t of payload with more capability
L514[18:13:13] <JCB> I wouldn't even know what to do with more than 35tons or so.....
L515[18:13:24] <madmerlyn> what I like with this one is it's a no canard design that works
L516[18:13:33] <madmerlyn> haven't done a landing test yet though, will soon
L517[18:14:26] <madmerlyn> I do think I'll need to pump a little fuel forward to keep CoM ahead of lift on re-entry though
L518[18:14:28] <JCB> mind you... don't remember the weight of my cruise ship... I just launched it by rocket with half fuel, since it was going to stay in orbit to be reused between kerbin-mun/minmus routes
L519[18:15:16] <JCB> a ship for each specific route, or ship that can do everything... eh..
L520[18:20:00] <madmerlyn> if I can re-enter and maintain control without flat spins I'll be satisfied with it
L521[18:21:42] <madmerlyn> it'll be nearly dry on fuel so it'll be a good indicator of whether or not it's good on CoL+CoM
L522[18:24:27] <madmerlyn> nose wiggled a bit on way up, might change the vertical stabilizers a bit
L523[18:28:45] <madmerlyn> nope, borderline uncontrollable with dryweight, back to reconfiguration heh
L524[18:29:08] <Mathuin> borderline uncontrollable is still controllable... :-)
L525[18:29:41] <madmerlyn> yes but I don't like doing free fall acrobatics ;)
L526[18:30:33] <madmerlyn> I think if I keep more fuel in the tanks I can make it stable, just means not as high of an orbit, or less payload
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L528[18:33:46] <madmerlyn> huh that's strange
L529[18:34:19] <madmerlyn> in VAB when I empty all tanks CoM moves forward not back, but that last re-entry my tail kept pushing towards prograde
L530[18:34:22] <JCB> I hate when spaceplanes do those crazy dance moves for the middle part of the descent till they get into thicker air..
L531[18:34:40] <JCB> I've had a few that can be a little sensitive to nose up pitch commands
L532[18:34:40] <madmerlyn> if the CoM is in the center of the craft, why is the tail going in first?
L533[18:35:04] <JCB> something up front causing drag? KSP doesn't show drag factors on parts
L534[18:35:22] <JCB> also.. did they ever fix the symetrical body lift issue?
L535[18:35:26] <madmerlyn> I mean the craft is very pointy, front shouldn't be draggy
L536[18:35:56] <JCB> is it flipping up and down or sideways?
L537[18:36:17] <madmerlyn> it just pulls whatever direction it wants until I'm engines down
L538[18:36:53] <madmerlyn> did it well before I hit 1700m/s too so I couldn't use airbrakes to keep it steady
L539[18:37:11] <madmerlyn> could deploy my vertical stabilizers maybe
L540[18:37:17] <JCB> if its yawing to the sides, usually case of not enough vertical stabliziation..
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L543[18:38:22] <JCB> sometimes I think dynamics just gives up and starts having a fit
L544[18:38:55] <JCB> can hit f-12 to see whats causing... but like I said sometimes there are some hidden drag bits that don't show up
L545[18:39:31] <JCB> ugh sorry wish I could be of more help, but gotta run
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L548[18:51:33] <madmerlyn> I think he was right, not enough vertical stabilization, my ascent no wobbles since adding some more stabilizers
L549[18:51:52] <madmerlyn> added a pair of strakes on the bottom and another pair of moveable stabilizers on top
L550[18:52:14] <madmerlyn> have AG4 mapped to deploy all of them to help me slow down and keep my nose where I want it to on re-entry
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L556[20:01:58] <dr-negativo> hola buenas noches
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L573[22:10:33] <Oneiros> hi
L574[22:10:34] <Mod9000> Hello, Oneiros
L575[22:10:40] <Oneiros> hi
L576[22:10:42] <Mod9000> Hello, Oneiros
L577[22:11:02] <Oneiros> i knew you were a bot. you replied too fast
L578[22:13:47] <Oneiros> you need a timer implemented into your script if you want to appear more human
L579[22:14:10] * Oneiros pets Mod9000
L580[22:14:14] * Oneiros pets Mod9000
L581[22:14:46] * UmbralRaptor blinks.
L582[22:18:20] <ve2dmn> hello
L583[22:18:21] <Mod9000> Hello, ve2dmn
L584[22:20:19] <madmerlyn> yo
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L587[22:21:41] <TheKosmonaut> Hello
L588[22:21:41] <Mod9000> Hello, TheKosmonaut
L589[22:21:45] <TheKosmonaut> Hello
L590[22:21:47] <Mod9000> Hello, TheKosmonaut
L591[22:21:55] <TheKosmonaut> Hello
L592[22:21:58] <Mod9000> Hello, TheKosmonaut
L593[22:22:01] <TheKosmonaut> Haha
L594[22:22:08] <TheKosmonaut> You're a good boy
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L598[22:24:59] * Oneiros gives Mod9000 a cookie
L599[22:25:21] <Oneiros> feed him so he can pilot all our teslas into deep space
L600[22:28:35] * UmbralRaptor laces the cookie with cavea-b.
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