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L9[01:02:41] <JCB> fffff... ugh
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L18[02:11:18] <Althego> https://imgur.com/a/kTu07
L19[02:11:23] <Althego> kerbal mecha program
L20[02:11:38] <Althego> orbital tea time https://i.redd.it/msw0l0xk9c501.jpg
L21[02:12:53] <Althego> thunderbirds are go (the kerbal way) https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/RawAppropriateGull
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L23[02:22:32] <JCB> blink... blink...
L24[02:22:41] <JCB> mecha cool, tea party cute
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L35[02:47:06] <kubi> :)
L36[02:53:25] <JCB> Hmm?
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L38[02:57:19] <Althego> experience tranquility
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L55[03:49:03] <JCB> oh for frigs sake...
L56[03:49:53] <JCB> lol, sorry but... don't suppose anyone's still kicking around? Sorta noticed somethign with the big 'XL3' rover wheels... a bit of a problem wondered if anyone ran into it or if its just a v1.2 issue
L57[03:52:46] <Supernovy> what's the problem
L58[03:53:19] <JCB> built a large roving mining rig, coupula as driver's seat..
L59[03:53:26] <JCB> not sure if it matters...
L60[03:53:56] <JCB> I get on runway.. use 'w' to drive forwards.. it draws big amount of power, then it quickly drops off to nill soon as the whole thing moves.. barely get any speed past 10m/s
L61[03:54:15] <JCB> yet... I try to skid steer, pushing forward at the same time, I can get the whole thing to quickly speed up to 30-40m/s...
L62[03:55:01] <JCB> from a stand still it only draws 100.. the drops quickly soon as it starts moving. skid steering zaps a huge 250 or so and doesn't even drop. Just wondering... 1.3 update that or?
L63[03:55:03] <JCB> that normal?
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L65[03:59:12] <Supernovy> I think it's always had that, because it's tank steering
L66[04:00:34] <JCB> ok...
L67[04:00:42] <JCB> wish was a way to just 'boost' the power though...
L68[04:01:23] <JCB> sorta harsh that power drops to nill so quickly and barely get any speed out of things.. maybe some sorta top speed setting that can be adjusted
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L70[04:04:07] <JCB> I barely use the things.. just thought I'd try something out in sandbox after seeing a video clip
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L73[04:07:56] <Althego> lego sls http://kep.index.hu/1/0/1908/19085/190852/19085289_e38dab81f665a5af1cbe2eb087358353_x.jpg
L74[04:08:49] <Mat2ch> How much did NASA pay for this? ;)
L75[04:09:01] <Mat2ch> well, I shouldn't really care, it's not my money, but...
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L77[04:12:40] <Althego> nasa has nothing to do with this
L78[04:16:41] <JCB> cool
L79[04:16:51] <JCB> though... looks like its spitting out lava from the boosters
L80[04:21:54] <Fluburtur> that looks nice
L81[04:22:28] <Fluburtur> the prop making workshop I worked at in school could make stuff like that so it's not really high end stuff
L82[04:22:48] <Fluburtur> carved polystyrene and some glassing to make it look nice
L83[04:29:00] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: for you it's not hard to make. I would have to look up a tutorial ;P
L84[04:29:18] <Fluburtur> yeh
L85[04:29:36] <Fluburtur> just make a 1/100 for practice then you can make a real scale one
L86[04:31:32] <Mat2ch> it's the same thing as if somebody asks you to explain how a transistor works ;)
L87[04:31:40] <Mat2ch> I probably can still do it in my sleep
L88[04:32:00] <Fluburtur> "well you see, when there is a voltage difference across a NP junction..."
L89[04:32:04] <Fluburtur> I really have no idea
L90[04:32:15] <Fluburtur> I know what they do but how they work is dark magic
L91[04:32:17] <Mat2ch> ( *I'm probably still able to do it whilst I'm asleep ;)
L92[04:32:20] <Fluburtur> and magic smoke
L93[04:32:52] <Mat2ch> it has something to do with holes and charges. ;)
L94[04:33:20] <Mat2ch> That's what my first professor wanted me to believe. But that's bollocks.
L95[04:33:41] <Mat2ch> uh, I shouldn't say that, without knowing what it really means
L96[04:33:47] <Fluburtur> I had a tech teacher that told us the compact disc are punch cards
L97[04:33:58] <Mat2ch> in some way, yes
L98[04:34:10] <Fluburtur> yeah but he told us that the laser goes through
L99[04:34:14] <Fluburtur> and it doesn't work like that
L100[04:34:25] <Fluburtur> I tried to teach him but he was quite an ignorant really
L101[04:34:26] <Mat2ch> that's also, ehm, not right.
L102[04:35:29] <Mat2ch> you should have brought a dismantled cd drive and ask him, where the sensor on the other side of the disk is
L103[04:35:39] <Fluburtur> heh
L104[04:35:43] <Fluburtur> I should have
L105[04:35:49] <Fluburtur> not sure I had anyt back then
L106[04:36:10] <Mat2ch> well, what you call "back then" had already BlueRays ;)
L107[04:36:36] <Fluburtur> I guess
L108[04:36:42] <Fluburtur> I was like
L109[04:36:44] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx1PAA5Q2HY Uh :D
L110[04:36:44] <kmath> YouTube - Astronaut Scott Kelly teaches orbital mechanics with Kerbal Space Program | Ars Technica
L111[04:36:45] <Fluburtur> 12 I think?
L112[04:37:05] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/de98d9839307edfa43d04811f49e5a48/tumblr_inline_oyb7jr9wpT1se257g_540.png
L113[04:38:57] <Fluburtur> also I watched a documentary yesterday and apparently being a canadair pilot is about as hard at joining the patrouille de france
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L115[04:39:04] <Fluburtur> more dangerous too
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L117[04:44:19] <Flub2> well we just had a power cut
L118[04:44:32] <Flub2> the house electrical system isn't christmass ready it seems
L119[04:44:33] <Mat2ch> Uh
L120[04:44:44] <Mat2ch> only the house or the whole neighbourhood?
L121[04:44:52] <Flub2> only our house I think
L122[04:45:12] <Mat2ch> I don't remember, when I experienced a blown fuse the last time
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L124[04:46:04] <Flub2> also I did some math for my canadair
L125[04:46:17] <Mat2ch> well, there was a big blackout in a city nearby a few weeks ago
L126[04:46:49] <Flub2> the wing loading is 40 grams per square decimeter so a bit high and it should have a twr of about 0.5
L127[04:46:57] <Flub2> so it might fly like a real one
L128[04:47:20] <Mat2ch> and last night 60 % of our power was from wind energy
L129[04:47:31] <Flub2> not bad
L130[04:48:06] <Mat2ch> yeah, just a bit more and some way to store the energy and we could be 100 % renewable
L131[04:48:28] <Mat2ch> could. Everything else is politics and that's not the right channel for this
L132[04:48:39] <Flub2> some peoples in france want to stop nuclear energy but we don't have enough renewale
L133[04:49:21] <Mat2ch> yeah, we're selling you our dirty coal power...
L134[04:50:58] <Flub2> tbh I just want fusion power tob e a thing
L135[04:51:31] <JCB> what might fly like the real one?
L136[04:51:38] <Flub2> my rc canadair
L137[04:51:46] <JCB> ah the rc
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L139[04:52:12] <JCB> was just rolling out my kerbalized RJ45.... seems to be one of my fav planes I built in ksp so far
L140[04:52:55] <Mat2ch> Flub2: well, I guess we will be 100 % renewable before that happens.
L141[04:53:54] <bees> Flub2: demostrated plasma densities enough for net fusion energy gain - 1) gravitational confinement 2) inertial pulsed radiative confinement
L142[04:54:05] * bees prefer second
L143[04:54:29] <Flub2> I guess fusion counts as renewable
L144[04:54:39] <JCB> hmm... gravity..
L145[04:54:43] <bees> da, comrade
L146[04:54:52] <bees> lets mass produce fusion devices
L147[04:54:59] <bees> (one-time use, non-refundable)
L148[04:55:04] <JCB> other than how mass creates it.. have a feeling artifical means might be a bit... difficult
L149[04:55:26] <Gasher_> bees, turn water into lutz
L150[04:55:59] <JCB> ... mmm... ZPMs...
L151[04:56:21] <bees> Gasher_: we can even build a suborbital delivery systems for them, so everyone could have some fusion power!
L152[04:56:59] <JCB> remember back in old days.. talk of building giant solar panels in space, beaming the power to major cities.
L153[04:57:09] <Gasher_> i guess not for long but it wuld be more than enough for them
L154[04:57:22] <JCB> simcity played around with the idea.. even created a disaster where people got nuked from space from microwaves
L155[04:58:32] <Mat2ch> hehe
L156[04:58:37] <bees> JCB: theoretically, if you have some unobtainium that resist everything, you can create fusion in sufficiently fast spinning centrifuge
L157[04:58:51] <Mat2ch> well, it looks like our solar panels on the ground are good enough to not need "power from space" ;)
L158[04:59:04] <Gasher_> its like chlorine in the water - just turn it on a bit more if yu think that a particular place is overpopulated
L159[04:59:07] <bees> JCB: i guess that would count as gravitational
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L162[05:03:29] <Flub2> you know for the wing floats of my canadair I might just use sticks and plastic spoons
L163[05:03:37] <Flub2> they won't float but skip over the water
L164[05:03:46] <Flub2> actually I think they need to float there
L165[05:03:53] <JCB> ... floaty plane
L166[05:03:58] <Mat2ch> you could carve them out of foam
L167[05:03:59] <Flub2> eh I can just make foam triangles
L168[05:04:02] <JCB> what model is it?
L169[05:04:18] <Flub2> nothing, just looks a bit like a canadair
L170[05:04:25] <Flub2> https://imgur.com/a/3QFUT
L171[05:05:32] <JCB> oooooh.. the CL-415
L172[05:05:42] <Flub2> yeah sort of
L173[05:05:55] <JCB> >.< the fact they belly scraped one of those birds on ice pilots.. arrrg.
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L175[05:07:01] <Mat2ch> Flub2: would it make the tail lighter if you replace it with foam?
L176[05:07:07] <Flub2> I need to find how to paint it however
L177[05:07:09] <JCB> ah sorry.. the 215 is the radial engine version
L178[05:07:22] <Flub2> maybe
L179[05:07:27] <Flub2> but im too lazy for that
L180[05:07:35] <Flub2> I made it that way so it's strong
L181[05:07:40] <JCB> foam plane, trying to figure out how to paint?
L182[05:07:44] <Flub2> yeah
L183[05:07:54] <Flub2> unless I cover it all with tape I can't use spray paint
L184[05:08:01] <Flub2> so water based paint I guess
L185[05:08:15] <Mat2ch> well, I'd say silicon based
L186[05:08:25] <Mat2ch> *silicone
L187[05:08:26] <JCB> you want a smooth finish or do you care if the foam shows through?
L188[05:08:41] <Mat2ch> acrylic get's too hard and breaks easily
L189[05:09:25] <JCB> you check rc groups much? they have a thread that might have some talk you could make use of
L190[05:09:25] <JCB> https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?715220-How-the-hell-do-you-paint-foam
L191[05:09:58] <JCB> though, warning, its 11 pages long by now
L192[05:10:30] <Mat2ch> Flub2: and paint it and then cover it with tape ;)
L193[05:10:43] <Flub2> nah
L194[05:10:55] <Flub2> I want it to scratch off and look nice
L195[05:11:31] <JCB> blep... ok now feeling a little sad ksp doesn't have more airports..
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L197[05:13:31] <Mat2ch> JCB: there's a mod for that.
L198[05:13:41] <Althego> kerbinside
L199[05:14:18] <JCB> I know... one of my early versions of ksp on here has it, along with firespitter
L200[05:14:41] <JCB> I did a beech 18 in there though it looks a little .. toony
L201[05:16:33] <JCB> I actually put in a few places down along the cost south of KSP.. just to help flesh things out a little.
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L234[09:16:42] <Flub2> uh I still need 100€ to get my heli
L235[09:40:21] <ve2dmn> dammit... my savegame is broken :(
L236[09:41:18] <ve2dmn> my asteroids ' pushers' are all inside the asteroids... no way to get them out without explosions
L237[09:42:32] <Althego> hehe
L238[09:43:17] <ve2dmn> issues with https://github.com/BobPalmer/ART/releases
L239[09:43:56] <ve2dmn> It makes asteroids bigger... but my game seems buggers because they simply don't stay the size they are between scene change
L240[09:44:04] <ve2dmn> it's rare... but annoying
L241[09:44:31] <ve2dmn> so far it's only been make them 'smaller'... but the reverse isn't fixable without breaking everything
L242[09:47:13] <ve2dmn> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/907904802356573879/1F96C3E9AC75757A95E271001FC81155973D36A7/
L243[09:47:39] <ve2dmn> ideas?
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L249[10:34:10] <RandomJeb> isn't there some ignore collisions debug cheat?
L250[10:34:51] <darsie> RandomJeb: yep. It's called time warp ;).
L251[10:35:25] <RandomJeb> I was thinking of that cheats menu
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L253[10:36:37] <RandomJeb> mod+f12 or something, I think it has been a few years since I used it so I'm not sure if it's on there or if that was the key combo :P
L254[10:40:54] <UmbralRaptor> internal collisions aren't really a thing anymore.
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L263[11:34:07] <Black_Eagle> anyone see the Bradley Whistance Odyssey by Bill book 29? I uhh had no idea one could do achieve that little
L264[11:34:22] <Black_Eagle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCgfmF68YoQ <- link for anyone who wants it
L265[11:34:22] <kmath> YouTube - The Odyssey by Bill, Book 29: A reasonably sized spaceplane
L266[11:36:23] <Althego> lol that spaceplane
L267[11:36:30] <Althego> it is a
L268[11:36:35] <Althego> lol dunno
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L271[11:50:17] <Glass|phone> so I have some steel wire here and the packaging says "japan quality" on the front and "made in china" on the back
L272[11:51:11] <Althego> japan quality from china
L273[11:51:19] <Althego> no problem here
L274[11:51:39] <Althego> and we know one of the japanese steel companies, i think kobe, was faking quality
L275[11:51:39] <Glass|phone> also says "keep away from fire and other sources of heat"
L276[11:52:06] <Glass|phone> Althego: did you hear of the shinkansen near disaster?
L277[11:52:14] <Althego> no
L278[11:53:05] <Glass|phone> a train with a cracked bogie was allowed to continue running for several hours, when they pulled it from service the crack was 3cm away from breaking apart
L279[11:53:21] <Glass|phone> was like a week ago or so
L280[11:53:53] <Alanonzander> sounds like someth Amtrack would do
L281[11:54:04] <Alanonzander> 80+ in a 30
L282[11:54:24] <Glass|phone> amtrak equipment gets destroyed by human error before it can wear our
L283[11:54:28] <Glass|phone> *out
L284[11:54:36] <Althego> having metal fatigue in railroad is like everyday business. only the checks have to be good enough to catch them early
L285[11:54:45] <Alanonzander> or the flywheel that came off the drive shaft and blasted through 5 other engines in the rail yard
L286[11:55:19] <Glass|phone> actually amtrak uses a lot of rather old equipment, right?
L287[11:55:38] <Alanonzander> not any more. Too many "required" upgrades in the past few years
L288[11:55:44] <Alanonzander> it was cheaper to buy new than upgrade
L289[11:56:10] <Alanonzander> oldes engin is less than 2 year, oldest car is less than 5
L290[11:56:22] <Glass|phone> Alanonzander: my completely uninformed opinion is that that company just has no safety culture
L291[11:56:43] <Alanonzander> I have to agree, using my semi-informed opinion
L292[11:57:07] <Glass|phone> and the fact that a newly opened line was allowed to lack positive train control is completely inexcusable
L293[11:57:11] * Alanonzander uesed to live in the city that was the SLC<->Denver secondary rail yard
L294[11:57:29] <Alanonzander> Glass|phone: Exactly. With nearly brand new equipment too
L295[11:58:09] <Black_Eagle> Wow, I was very uninformed too. I'm from scandinavia which just goes to show AmTrack's reputation was poor all around the world
L296[11:58:11] <Alanonzander> they had "Not yet turned it on" since all the equipment (engines/cars) for that line hadn't yet been fully upgraded
L297[11:59:09] <Alanonzander> knowing the RRs as I do, it was "save money until FY 2018 when the law says we have to"
L298[12:00:51] <Alanonzander> The RR Unions (there are 5 or 6 I think) would also have been against the automation since it would 'lead to the reduction of labor force'
L299[12:01:23] <Glass|phone> Alanonzander: I follow a lot of china related people on twitter including railway staff and they appear to have none of the ridiculous problems that US railroads have
L300[12:01:55] <Glass|phone> I mean there's people in the us who consider broken couplers and derailments normal
L301[12:01:56] <Alanonzander> They, probably, aren't trying to run their railroads on a purely profit bases either
L302[12:02:18] <Glass|phone> no, they lose a lot of money actually
L303[12:02:22] <Alanonzander> and China has it's own RR issues too, you just don't hear about them as often
L304[12:03:04] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi1ApYivlE8
L305[12:03:04] <kmath> YouTube - Mike Helmick says SpaceX landings are fake?
L306[12:03:22] <Alanonzander> Amtrack has it's funding cut in half in the last 4 National budgets (and cut by 10-20% for each 'continueing amendment')
L307[12:03:32] <Glass|phone> they appear to prefer losing money over losing infrastructure through decomissioning
L308[12:04:11] <Alanonzander> for if they received 200 Million USD each year, after those 4 budges, and continuing amendments, they would have been operating at leastt than $1 million USD
L309[12:04:28] <Alanonzander> *less than
L310[12:04:46] <Alanonzander> and yes, those numbers are much smaller than they were actually getting
L311[12:05:18] <Alanonzander> in 1970, Amtrack received (adjuted to today's USD) just over 1.2Billion a year.
L312[12:05:36] <Alanonzander> in 2010, Amtrack received less than $500 Million
L313[12:05:59] <Ezko_> Althego: who's mike helmick
L314[12:06:03] <Althego> dunno
L315[12:06:06] <Althego> doesnt matter
L316[12:06:14] <Glass|phone> the most common problem I hear about from china is that curious photographers and surveillance states don't always mix, but that is not really a the fault of the railway company
L317[12:06:17] <Alanonzander> if you were in charge... and had to turn a profit, what is the first thing you would cut?
L318[12:06:19] <Althego> spacex landings from a perspective we havent seen them
L319[12:06:30] <Althego> and the deal with it at the end lol
L320[12:07:18] <Alanonzander> oh yes, and you couldn't cut routers or timetables
L321[12:07:23] <Alanonzander> *routes
L322[12:08:07] <Alanonzander> in 1970, a ticket from SLC to Denver was $75 (adjusted to current USD)
L323[12:08:08] <Glass|phone> Alanonzander: well safety cuts end up costing you a lot more, but who could have known...
L324[12:08:25] <Alanonzander> in 2010 that same ticket is over $300
L325[12:08:51] <Alanonzander> and now lunch is also extra (included in the 70's)
L326[12:09:52] <Alanonzander> yes safty cuts seem absurd, but if you have the choice of paying for fuel, or a new 'safty gadget' that is not yet required, you buy the fuel, right?
L327[12:10:35] <Alanonzander> if you already havc the gadget, but it costs extra to unr, you don't turn it on untill required.
L328[12:10:40] <Alanonzander> *run
L329[12:11:25] <Alanonzander> I've watched trains go through the yard, limit is supposed to be 25Mph. I've personally clocked them at over 75mph
L330[12:12:00] <Alanonzander> 500+ fully loaded cars
L331[12:12:32] <Glass|phone> ;wa 75mph to km/h
L332[12:12:34] <kmath> Glass|phone: convert 75 mph (miles per hour) to kilometers per hour: 120.7 km/h (kilometers per hour)
L333[12:12:41] <Alanonzander> :)
L334[12:13:00] <Glass|phone> ...I wish my morning commute would do 120
L335[12:13:22] <Alanonzander> are you sure? think about the curves
L336[12:13:32] <Alanonzander> are they rated for 120?
L337[12:13:43] <Alanonzander> they weren't in Washington State
L338[12:13:50] <Glass|phone> although since I spend 12~15 mins on the train it wouldn't really matter
L339[12:14:19] <Glass|phone> Alanonzander: like half of it is straight
L340[12:14:29] * Alanonzander nods
L341[12:14:54] <Glass|phone> if you look up tokyo on a map, then a bit to the west
L342[12:14:55] <Alanonzander> but you have to "get up to speed" then "slow down" you can go faster by finding the middle ground speed for the rated line
L343[12:15:13] <Alanonzander> faster == in a time sense
L344[12:15:20] <Glass|phone> there's a perfectly straight line there going out of the city
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L346[12:15:43] <Alanonzander> so going out of the city, speeding up, then come to the curve and have to slow back down
L347[12:16:09] <Alanonzander> it takes 1/3 again more distance to slow down than it takes to speed up (on average) for trains
L348[12:16:34] <Glass|phone> ...btaking should be faster
L349[12:17:11] <Alanonzander> should be, yes. The metal on metal 'wheels' don't work as well fiction wise when slowing down
L350[12:17:19] <Glass|phone> for EMUs braking should be a bit faster, despite being built for acceleration
L351[12:17:45] <Alanonzander> slam the breaks hard (ie cut the air hoses) and the car will slide down the tracks
L352[12:18:15] <Glass|phone> brakes should be a lot better than on freight cars, plus the low weight
L353[12:18:24] <Alanonzander> they are now incoporating small studs into the wheels and tracks to counter that
L354[12:18:47] <Alanonzander> Local engineers called it "RR Velcro"
L355[12:19:24] <Glass|phone> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E231_series
L356[12:20:07] <Alanonzander> oh yes, and that system, probably rund just people, yes? No major freight over the same lines
L357[12:20:15] <Alanonzander> *runs
L358[12:21:04] <Glass|phone> there used to be freight here
L359[12:21:40] <Alanonzander> Amtrack has to 'get out of the way for freight" due to the lower contracted price to the local RR companies
L360[12:22:02] <Glass|phone> the chuuou line where I live simply has no purpose for freight
L361[12:22:22] <Glass|phone> I mean it serves freight but not where I live
L362[12:22:29] <Alanonzander> Lucky you :) I wish Amtrack has it's own dedicated tracks, at least in higher density areas.
L363[12:22:53] <Glass|phone> doesn't it at the east coast?
L364[12:23:22] <umaxtu> maybe from NY to DC
L365[12:23:33] <Alanonzander> NewYork to DC, it might. But anything west of the East coast, it runs over UnionPacific Lines
L366[12:24:19] <Glass|phone> also most freight trains here in japan are scheduled
L367[12:24:34] <Alanonzander> They have been talking about building dedicated lines on the West coast too, but too many NIMBYs
L368[12:24:43] <Glass|phone> most of them run between container terminals
L369[12:24:59] <Alanonzander> Here too, UPRR has them less than 3 minutes apart in some cases
L370[12:25:32] <Alanonzander> Throught he rocky mountains it is the worst (which is whereI get my data)
L371[12:26:08] <Glass|phone> which is why there are no freight trains behindcmy house, everything that doesn't have to go into the middle of tokyo is better routed to somewhere else
L372[12:26:09] <Alanonzander> there are only 3-4 main lines going over the mountains (not sure I count the southernmost one)
L373[12:27:51] <Alanonzander> you have the northern most, though Wyoming, then working your way south you have one going through Colorado, then 2 going through texas and mergin in New Mexico.
L374[12:28:28] <Alanonzander> Amtrack uses the middle one through colorado, until it gets shut down with a derailment, or closed passes
L375[12:28:36] <Alanonzander> then it uses the northernmost.
L376[12:28:57] <Alanonzander> it USED to use the northernmost path, in the 70's and very early 80's
L377[12:29:15] <Alanonzander> but it "wasn't senic enough"
L378[12:29:30] <Glass|phone> so basically there's a massive bottleneck in the network?
L379[12:29:44] <Alanonzander> yep
L380[12:30:40] <Alanonzander> really nasty one too because to fix it would require more money a year than the US generates every 10 years
L381[12:30:56] <Alanonzander> blasting mountains is very costly
L382[12:31:01] <Alanonzander> tunneling moreso
L383[12:31:24] <Glass|phone> in europe there is a trunk line going from the netherlands down through switzerland
L384[12:31:30] <Alanonzander> way too many NIMBYs and stupid (and useless) federal regulation
L385[12:31:31] <Alanonzander> s
L386[12:31:56] <Glass|phone> now you might have heard of the gotthard base tunnel
L387[12:32:02] <Alanonzander> yep
L388[12:32:22] <Alanonzander> very large engineering project
L389[12:33:08] <Glass|phone> truth is, it's kinda useless, because in germany they still haven't upgraded to the same traffic volume
L390[12:33:20] <Alanonzander> :(
L391[12:34:07] <Alanonzander> that is the sort of project we need, except it wouldn't be ~57km long, it would be several hundres of km long
L392[12:34:15] <Glass|phone> and just this year there was a cave-in while boring an underpass to allow quadruple tracking the line, reducing the available tracks to zero for a month
L393[12:34:42] <Alanonzander> nasty
L394[12:34:49] <Alanonzander> hasn't heard about that.
L395[12:35:36] <Glass|phone> but europe is kinda funny anyway. infrastructure usually belongs to a state owned company, and all railway companies can use it equally
L396[12:36:07] <Alanonzander> The US needs to look at doing that for lots of its infrastructure :(
L397[12:36:11] <Alanonzander> they won't though
L398[12:36:41] <Glass|phone> so basically it's operated like a road, and as chaotic as a road
L399[12:36:50] * Alanonzander nods
L400[12:38:50] <Glass|phone> there was a woman who was dissatisfied with the privatization, so she bought her own locomotive
L401[12:39:40] <Alanonzander> that's rather extreme (and costly)
L402[12:40:45] <umaxtu> Alanonzander, not if you do it TopGear style
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L404[12:41:32] <Glass|phone> the first locomotive was not in a very good condition and did not last that long I think, the second and third are both from around ww2 and I think they may be both operating right now
L405[12:41:37] <Alanonzander> wouldn't work in the US, too many regulations, most of which are worthless
L406[12:43:28] <Glass|phone> you don't even need a 'railway company', there apparently also are 'rail vehicle owning companies' in germany
L407[12:44:09] <Glass|phone> the latter is only allowed to operate on behalf of an actual railway company, which is what that woman does
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L409[12:45:08] <Alanonzander> interesting
L410[12:47:30] <Glass|phone> it appears that it's not a one person company anymore, but the website still lists her name in the contact address
L411[12:48:55] <Alanonzander> probably "ceo" these days
L412[12:49:04] <Alanonzander> or company president
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L415[13:06:09] <Althego> mana mana
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L422[13:42:17] <Flub2> I think I have enough room in my canadair to be able to retrofit a water scoop and drop if I want
L423[13:42:30] <Flub2> at the good spot too, under the cg is empty space
L424[13:42:46] <Althego> will it be operayion
L425[13:42:48] <Althego> al?
L426[13:43:01] <Flub2> if I want to make it, I guess
L427[13:43:09] <Althego> scoop water and extinguish a miniature fire
L428[13:43:10] <Flub2> won't be able to hold more than half a liter
L429[13:43:25] <Althego> or even better, poor it on yourself in case the weather is hot
L430[13:43:35] <Flub2> or other peoples
L431[13:43:44] <Flub2> there is often a lot of peoples where I will fly
L432[13:44:03] <Flub2> I guess one servo to operate a scoop and another to open the tank should work
L433[13:44:20] <Flub2> open the overflow port to let it fill too
L434[13:44:42] <Flub2> https://youtu.be/JCL0_TTsHzo?t=10
L435[13:44:42] <kmath> YouTube - The awesome Canadair CL 215 T
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L445[15:01:08] <Draconiator> Soooo...I ended up choosing Lubuntu for the netbook.
L446[15:01:29] <UmbralRaptor> sudo apt-get install i3
L447[15:03:03] <Alanonzander> heh
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L453[15:21:05] <Flub2> yo drac
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L458[15:26:14] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L459[15:26:30] <Althego> night
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L473[16:50:30] <Flub2> apparently I have enough money to get my heli
L474[16:50:44] <Flub2> last I remembered I needed 350€ but the guy can sell it to me for 240
L475[16:50:50] <Flub2> that means I could buy a new radio
L476[16:50:55] <Flub2> or tools for the heli
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L507[19:01:26] <Connor> why hasnt real solar system been updated?
L508[19:02:04] <Supernovy> I dunno, why?
L509[19:02:23] <Connor> hello where is everyone?
L510[19:02:50] <Connor> why hasnt rss been updated?
L511[19:04:02] <Supernovy> I don't know, what hasn't rss been updated?
L512[19:04:04] <Connor> well where can i get a 4k milkey way askybox
L513[19:07:19] <Zarthus> are you under the effects of alcohol or drugs
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L519[19:17:02] * JCB ehs...?
L520[19:17:28] * Arynnia appears
L521[19:17:29] <JCB> I see ... life...
L522[19:17:31] <JCB> heyos
L523[19:21:45] <Zarthus> you see more than i do
L524[19:24:15] <JCB> I seem to think more than I see things...
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L526[19:27:04] <Supernovy> He's seen things you people wouldn't believe.
L527[19:31:38] <JCB> one person's mind.. another persons hell
L528[19:31:53] <JCB> or .... one person's personal hell, perhaps somethign that shouldn't be let out
L529[19:35:54] <lordcirth> Speaking of hell, I just beat DoomRL for the first time
L530[19:36:57] <JCB> lol... rogue-like... not real life
L531[19:37:21] <JCB> had to look that up.. not often hear about rogue type games these days
L532[19:38:16] <JCB> er well.. there is a text version as well as pixel top down
L533[19:40:24] <lordcirth> It's a fun game
L534[19:43:15] * JCB tries to figur eout the XL2 rover wheels a little more
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L536[19:54:49] <Warrigal_> *seeing how fast I can type with a mouse*
L537[19:55:09] <Warrigal_> Not too bad, actually.
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L539[19:55:54] <Warrigal_> In my opinion, only one good phone game exists.
L540[19:56:12] <Warrigal_> And it's a roguelike.
L541[19:56:30] <Warrigal_> Cardinal Quest II.
L542[19:56:47] <JCB> lol... wow.. can almost hit 120m/s with these giant wheels
L543[19:57:39] <Warrigal_> The interesting thing about that one is that health is a non-renewable resource.
L544[19:57:50] <ve2dmn> ok... can I disable collision in the debug menu somehow?
L545[19:58:05] <Warrigal_> My wrist is getting hecka tired.
L546[19:58:47] <Warrigal_> Your character does not regain hit points over time.
L547[19:59:25] <JCB> lol... 6 wheels.. waaay faster.
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L551[19:59:53] <JCB> ponder, wonder how this would be as a wheeled launcher.. pulls a good 5gs with traction turned all way up
L552[20:00:25] <Warrigal_> Spells recharge over time... except for the healing spell, which only recharges as you kill enemies, of which there are finitely many.
L553[20:01:33] <JCB> lol.. bouncing as crud though.. hmm.. fins
L554[20:03:51] <JCB> lol... abusing skid steer on these wheels just.. crazy
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L558[20:04:25] <ve2dmn> all right... anyone using the ART mod by Roverdude?
L559[20:10:00] <ve2dmn> My asteroids keeps changing size between reloads :(
L560[20:11:54] <lordcirth> Warrigal_, DoomRL only allows healing through consumables, which are non-renewable
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L562[20:29:23] <ve2dmn> ok... I'm at the point where I'm editing my save files... anyone know how I can just move the asteroid further from the craft?
L563[20:33:56] <Arynnia> change its position
L564[20:36:21] <ve2dmn> Arynnia: I was trying to change the grabbing unit's position...
L565[20:36:28] <ve2dmn> didn't work
L566[20:36:37] <ve2dmn> I'm now messing with the asteroid itself
L567[20:40:54] <ve2dmn> worked
L568[20:41:01] <ve2dmn> back to haversting
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L573[21:05:59] <mabus> what rpg do i do
L574[21:06:02] <mabus> pokemon or otherwise
L575[21:06:34] <TheKosmonaut> mabus: What system(s) do you have?
L576[21:06:45] <TheKosmonaut> You could try Chrono Trigger
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L579[21:09:41] <mabus> i beat chrono trigger a couple times
L580[21:09:54] <mabus> i can play most consoles
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L582[21:12:51] <ve2dmn> mabus: What are you looking for, specifically?
L583[21:14:08] <ve2dmn> Because I would say: try the 'trails in the sky' series
L584[21:14:35] <ve2dmn> Or maybe 'I Am Setsuna'
L585[21:14:51] <mabus> hm havent heard of those
L586[21:15:09] <mabus> just looking for stat and xp turn based combat
L587[21:15:36] <ve2dmn> Trails is a recent translation...
L588[21:15:53] <ve2dmn> And 'I Am Setsuna' is a Switch title
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L590[21:17:21] <ckindley> Hey folks. I've been playing with Galileo's Planet Pack - brilliant mod, so nice to have some fresh content - but Ciro looks a bit strange.
L591[21:17:39] <ve2dmn> mabus: or just chekc Something like https://www.reddit.com/r/JRPG/comments/p3fes/rjrpg_official_recommended_games_list_for_all/
L592[21:18:03] <ckindley> Anyone seen something like https://imgur.com/a/7vTCQ - is that a scatterer effect that needs tweaking?
L593[21:18:36] <Arynnia> That's a bug with -something- that needs tweaking.
L594[21:18:41] <Arynnia> I never had that issue with GPP and scatterer\
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L600[21:30:37] <ckindley> Found it. I had disabled the Lens Flare Shader troubleshooting something else, and that breaks the .... lens flares. Go figure. :D
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L605[21:42:10] <ehs> JCB: IRC says you pinged me earlier?
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L611[22:11:44] <JCB> oh...
L612[22:12:00] <JCB> I just posed >ehs...?<
L613[22:12:25] <ehs> Did you need something?
L614[22:13:19] <JCB> someone posted if another person was under influence of drugs and alcohol... I was like.. 'the hell..' sorta thing. Sorry, didn't mean confusion
L615[22:15:04] <ehs> Heh. Okay, no problem.
L616[22:15:22] <JCB> but since you there.. heyas
L617[22:16:10] <ehs> Heyas, I suppose. :-P
L618[22:17:26] <JCB> just have'n some munch with room mates... messing in ksp with some sandbox stuff...
L619[22:18:36] <ehs> I just finished gorging myself on Christmas dessert. I should go crash some rockets instead; it'd be healthier.
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L621[22:22:07] <JCB> oh.. what was desert?
L622[22:22:32] <ehs> Apple pie and ice cream, followed by more apple pie and ice cream.
L623[22:22:35] <JCB> I should probably get around to doing some recordings like I keep telling myself. Just constantly worried about interuptions
L624[22:23:16] <JCB> ah.. I'd have just gone for hte icecream.. got some myself, plain, though left the bucket at a friend's place
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