OCLogs: 2017-12-21.log

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L2[00:09:51] <Blaank> Time for EVA during duna flyby in atom

L3[00:09:53] <Blaank> atmos

L4[00:10:07] <Blaank> Send good vibes so I don't get pulled off the ship and incinerated

L5[00:11:36] * umaxtu sends good vibes

L6[00:15:32] <Blaank> success

L7[00:15:42] <Blaank> 2 eva reports while in atmos

L8[00:18:57] * umaxtu congratulates himself

L9[00:20:29] <JCB> mmm.. a mod to make 'air waves' in high atmos... surfing anyone?

L10[00:21:26] <JCB> actually... if a kerbal is in a command chair on the side of a rocket... does it consider him eva still?

L11[00:23:14] <Blaank> no

L12[00:23:29] <JCB> k

L13[00:23:45] <Blaank> I may have doomed myself to a firey death. Heading into kerbin at what may be 5km/s. No way to tell till I get there

L14[00:24:07] <Blaank> No heat shield.

L15[00:24:26] <Blaank> Engine on the back but the poodle is going to poof right quick if it hits at that speed.

L16[00:25:14] <JCB> a lot of stuff will go poof at that speed, though depends how deep down you end up going

L17[00:25:22] <Blaank> Coming from Duna flyby, burning 2.7 km/s and bringing orbit down below Moho, then rising back up and intercepting Kerbin, because screw transfer windows.

L18[00:25:38] <JCB> oh.. Duna.. ugh

L19[00:25:46] <Blaank> This kills the kerbal.

L20[00:26:40] <Blaank> Does atmosphere orbit around a planet and thus pick up orbital speeds?

L21[00:26:59] <Blaank> It has to or otherwise you'd have 300m/s air on the ground.

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L23[00:27:14] <Blaank> So re-entry orbital retrograde is more velocity than orbital prograde.

L24[00:27:24] <Blaank> Oh joy, I get another 600m/s effective entry speeds

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L26[00:30:21] <Blaank> oh ..... oh dear...... 6km/s at entering kerbin soi

L27[00:30:24] <Blaank> I'm so dead

L28[00:31:00] <Blaank> I'll let you guys know how the funeral pyre goes.

L29[00:32:43] <umaxtu> how deep are you going into the atmo?

L30[00:35:26] <Blaank> oh my god I blew up so hard

L31[00:35:36] <Blaank> 30km at 5.4 km/s

L32[00:35:52] <umaxtu> you're dead

L33[00:36:01] <Blaank> yeah, died

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L36[01:03:17] <JCB> hmm... to stream ksp or not...

L37[01:03:24] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank Level: 51%

L38[01:03:52] <JCB> ...

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L42[01:07:17] <Althego> haha havent seen the urine tank level for a while

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L44[01:09:05] <JCB> does it just splash around constantly in 0-gee?

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L46[01:10:31] <TheKosmonaut> I thought it was pressurized.

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L48[01:12:38] <JCB> not sure how that helps...

L49[01:12:53] <JCB> unless its got a membrane

L50[01:19:07] <Supernovy> I suppose it sorta floats around in bubbles

L51[01:20:27] <JCB> were you thinking presurized like how they do for fuel tanks in rockets?

L52[01:23:08] <Althego> i think one wall in it moves

L53[01:24:25] <JCB> so sort of like a plunger or membrane...

L54[01:24:52] <JCB> to ensure no empty space, its all liquid occupying...

L55[01:25:50] <JCB> apollo's water tanks had somethign similar, but it was a sort of rubber membrane. Kind of left a taste behind

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L61[01:36:51] <Supernovy> It probably is pressurised, since it's recycled.

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L77[02:41:16] <Althego> smartphoes are good bookmarks :)

L78[02:51:55] <JCB> doh..

L79[02:52:05] <JCB> was trying to make sense of probe control points

L80[02:52:11] <JCB> need two pilots in the M1-2 pod

L81[02:53:48] <Epi> "Ajit has internet if you have the coin. Ajit is a khajiit ." lol

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L84[03:12:28] <Althego> ajit pai the most hated man on the internet

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L92[03:55:06] <Gasher[work]> Althego, by americans

L93[03:55:57] <Althego> probably eu regulations are going to protect people at least for a while

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L95[04:16:43] <sandbox> aliens?

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L106[05:45:57] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/de2aaebaaa1436e7fdbee2122c153216/tumblr_oy6wdsqPYs1uz6psso1_500.jpg

L107[05:46:30] <XXCoder> didnt you post that while ago

L108[05:46:45] <Fluburtur> not exactly the same I think

L109[05:46:53] <Fluburtur> and it's always funny

L110[05:57:10] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/36d4ec09ea973e373145ac7fde72d2a0/tumblr_p064e6yOo01tki7xko1_540.jpg

L111[06:01:02] <TheKosmonaut> I’ll have to ask you not to post biological weapon related photos in this channel.

L112[06:01:13] <TheKosmonaut> Dihydrogen Monoxide is no joke.

L113[06:01:34] <Fluburtur> alright

L114[06:01:45] <Fluburtur> only nitrous oxyde now

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L118[06:19:54] <XXCoder> good thing toxic chemical dihyrogen monoxide is allowed in restroom

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L121[06:22:39] <XXCoder> planets is also allowed in restroom whoohoo

L122[06:43:37] <RandomJeb> no nuclear weapons, but they didn't say anything about my rod from god

L123[06:43:53] <RandomJeb> if you know what I mean

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L127[07:03:44] <Fluburtur> oh boy http://forum.flitetest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=99516&d=1513832049&thumb=1

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L129[07:07:39] <ve2dmn> I saw the crappiest article today saying we 'found' aliens but no one cares...

L130[07:10:38] <ve2dmn> sure, it's an opinion piece... but I want my 2 minutes back

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L133[07:15:38] <Althego> what is this tabby's star again?

L134[07:20:10] <Blaank> What are those fans for?

L135[07:20:53] <Fluburtur> xb 70

L136[07:21:33] <Blaank> ??

L137[07:21:54] <Fluburtur> http://forum.flitetest.com/showthread.php?37200-XB-70-Valkyrie-FT-Style

L138[07:21:56] <Blaank> Model plane?

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L148[08:12:53] <DrNooby> hello?

L149[08:13:24] <DrNooby> Anyone here i have a question.

L150[08:13:24] <Mat2ch> Hi

L151[08:13:26] <Mod9000> Hello, Mat2ch

L152[08:14:05] <Mat2ch> Uhm, yeah, wrong nick. Dumb bot ;P

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L154[08:14:11] <DrNooby> So i downloaded the ksp camera tool mod but it does not seem to be working in the debugging menu it keeps saying MissingMethodException: Method not found: 'FlightCamera.setTarget does anyone know how to fix this.

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L159[08:17:25] <Fluburtur> uh im out of solder

L160[08:17:50] <Mat2ch> use hot glue!

L161[08:18:06] <Fluburtur> eh

L162[08:18:26] <Mat2ch> What? :D

L163[08:19:00] <Blaank> get more solder

L164[08:19:07] <Mat2ch> too easy!

L165[08:19:19] <Mat2ch> Unsolder some old stuff and use that!

L166[08:19:20] <Fluburtur> I think my grandpa has some somewhere

L167[08:19:26] <Fluburtur> I just need to find it

L168[08:19:34] <Mat2ch> (it'll be the good lead based...)

L169[08:19:46] <Fluburtur> no I think it's some new one

L170[08:19:56] <Fluburtur> im out of leaded solder

L171[08:20:28] <Mat2ch> Good for your health

L172[08:20:40] <Mat2ch> also never mix leaded and lead-free solder

L173[08:22:38] <Blaank> Why are you using lead based solder?

L174[08:22:50] <Fluburtur> because I had some

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L234[10:19:15] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: In the interest of furthering democracy, all votes for the New World Order will be handled online. Remember: One bot, one vote!

L235[10:20:05] <Scolar_Visari> This also means that DoS attacks constitute fillibusters.

L236[10:20:06] <kubi> e?

L237[10:21:06] <Scolar_Visari> kubi: I was inspired by the recent Rotten Tomato's audience scorecard for The Last Jedi, as a certain group just went out and admitted to using bots to lower it.

L238[10:21:39] <sandbox> I thought the opposite was true

L239[10:22:34] <Scolar_Visari> sandbox: Quite the contrary. At the moment, it sits at 54%. However, I don't think Disney's executives care for it much at the moment as they're still swimming in a pool of $100 bills from the box office reciepts.

L240[10:23:17] <sandbox> it's not unexpected that it's made less than the previous one

L241[10:23:32] <sandbox> that's usually how these things go

L242[10:23:54] <Scolar_Visari> sandbox: The box office is not the problem so much as certain people didn't like the movie and decided to use bots.

L243[10:24:16] <sandbox> the bots weren't a problem

L244[10:24:29] <Scolar_Visari> sandbox: Why? They literally just admitted to using them.

L245[10:24:41] <sandbox> I heard the opposite

L246[10:25:18] <Scolar_Visari> sandbox: From where?

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L249[10:26:52] <Guest90816> hi

L250[10:26:53] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest90816

L251[10:27:11] <Guest90816> i have problems with KSP

L252[10:27:12] <Scolar_Visari> Greetings guest.

L253[10:27:23] <Scolar_Visari> In Soviet Russia, KSP has problems with YOU!

L254[10:27:27] <sandbox> Scolar_Visari, I read something on the bbc

L255[10:27:53] <Guest90816> Scolar you are idiot

L256[10:28:24] <Scolar_Visari> That's a paddling.

L257[10:28:31] <Guest90816> kid

L258[10:28:34] <Guest90816> small

L259[10:29:14] <Guest90816> xD

L260[10:29:25] <Guest90816> idiot scolar

L261[10:29:29] <Guest90816> xD

L262[10:29:33] <Guest90816> XXX

L263[10:29:46] <Guest90816> 18+ THIS NOT FOR YOU

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L265[10:30:40] * Scolar_Visari shines the light of the Ops on the darkness of bunch of numbers./

L266[10:37:43] <SnoopJeDi> I suppose Yakov Smirnoff isn't for everyone?

L267[10:38:14] <Scolar_Visari> What a pity, too, as he *was* in 2010.

L268[10:38:15] <SnoopJeDi> (and other purveyors of the Russian reversal)

L269[10:38:28] <Scolar_Visari> In Soviet Russia, Monolith uplifts YOU!

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L272[10:50:05] <kubi> smirnoff is for noone

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L274[10:53:01] <Scolar_Visari> kubi: Except for people visiting a certain tourist trap in the state of Missouri.

L275[10:59:10] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: what is this bot story?

L276[11:01:01] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Some one admitted to using bots to downvote movies they did not like. Though I would not put it beyond people to brigade en masse ala any time a Call of Duty game is released on Steam.

L277[11:01:21] <Scolar_Visari> According to Steam, Black Ops III should literally have given me incurable turbo cancer.

L278[11:01:46] <sandbox> it did

L279[11:03:41] <ve2dmn> It's not my kind of game, so I wouldn't know

L280[11:03:51] <ve2dmn> I guess, that's why I'm cancer-free

L281[11:04:34] <sandbox> blops doesn't seem that badly reviewed

L282[11:04:39] <sandbox> why is KSP published by "Private Division"?

L283[11:04:48] <ve2dmn> ?

L284[11:05:04] <sandbox> http://store.steampowered.com/app/220200/Kerbal_Space_Program/

L285[11:05:19] <sandbox> it didn't always say that

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L287[11:06:58] <ve2dmn> http://store.steampowered.com/search/?publisher=Private%20Division

L288[11:07:21] <Scolar_Visari> sandbox: While BlOps 2 was the last universally well received title, BlOps III did not get so much love.

L289[11:07:44] <Scolar_Visari> sandbox: Because it wasn't published by General Mutiplication.

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L291[11:08:42] <APlayer> Public* Multiplication

L292[11:09:09] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: No. There was, however, a Private Public and General Specific.

L293[11:11:50] <sandbox> only a Sith deals in absolute values

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L296[11:12:46] <SnoopJeDi> sandbox, has anyone ever told you the tale of darth sgn()ious the wise?

L297[11:12:48] <Scolar_Visari> Embrace the Dark Side, give in to your hatred!

L298[11:13:03] <Scolar_Visari> Also: We get awesome red lightsabers!

L299[11:13:06] <UmbralRaptor> TIL normalizing wavefunctions is the path to the dark side.

L300[11:13:32] <SnoopJeDi> and/or branch cuts

L301[11:13:41] * UmbralRaptor apparently missed a need for op powers?

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L304[11:15:58] <APlayer> Did I miss it too?

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L306[11:16:23] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Yes, you did. My feeling got hurt.

L307[11:16:30] * APlayer loves a nice show

L308[11:16:34] <Scolar_Visari> Why weren't you there to stab them? WHY!?

L309[11:16:54] * APlayer also loves nice shows involving nice banhammers

L310[11:18:39] <Scolar_Visari> They left in short order, however, as they suffered a morale penalty.

L311[11:19:04] * Scolar_Visari has gained the "Fear" attribute in their characteristics for killing too many prisoners in Medieval Total War.

L312[11:20:24] <APlayer> Oh, wait, I did miss it

L313[11:20:50] <Scolar_Visari> You also missed yesterday's space news. For shame!

L314[11:20:51] <Deddly> http://bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/%23kspofficial.log.21Dec2017

L315[11:20:59] <APlayer> Heh, the internet is full of wonders, and there are fresh ones every day!

L316[11:21:00] <Deddly> What was that all about?

L317[11:21:28] <APlayer> I don't think I ever miss space news, in fact, sometimes space news miss me

L318[11:21:39] <Scolar_Visari> Deddly: Wait . . . There's been that little channel use since yesterday?

L319[11:21:48] <APlayer> No, J/K, I have this application that spams my phone with space news

L320[11:21:50] <Scolar_Visari> Why . . . It's almost like this should be called Idle Relay Chat amirite.

L321[11:22:03] <ve2dmn> https://i.imgur.com/6OAiABd.gifv

L322[11:22:05] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: Visari News Network should be your only source of news. Trust us (R)

L323[11:22:07] <Deddly> Scolar_Visari, depends on your time zone

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L325[11:22:48] <Scolar_Visari> Deddly: I thought we all agreed the only time zone that matters is whatever Cape Canaveral is using?

L326[11:22:54] <UmbralRaptor> APlayer: an RSS feed reader?

L327[11:23:19] <Scolar_Visari> Visari News Network: We think so you don't have to.

L328[11:23:38] <ve2dmn> VNN ?

L329[11:23:59] <UmbralRaptor> TAI is the only real time, though I will grudgingly accept UTC, BJD, and other systems based on planetary rotation as unfortunate necessities.

L330[11:24:15] <Scolar_Visari> Not to be confused with the Conductorcat News Network.

L331[11:24:19] <Deddly> Best time zone is CHAST

L332[11:24:40] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: We should obviously rework our time system to use the Sun's rotation as a baseline.

L333[11:24:57] <ve2dmn> Ok, do NOT search for VNN on google.

L334[11:25:05] <Scolar_Visari> Also: https://phys.org/news/2017-12-spacex-unveils-falcon-heavy-rocket.html

L335[11:25:08] <Deddly> UTC+12:45

L336[11:25:13] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Searching for anything on Google is hazardous.

L337[11:25:33] <ConductorCat> :3

L338[11:25:35] <SnoopJeDi> UmbralRaptor, pffft terrestrial time

L339[11:25:44] * Scolar_Visari ponders if SpaceX uses Quantum Struts.

L340[11:25:56] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: sure there's that music video if you search for 'anything' but it's not that bad

L341[11:26:02] * SnoopJeDi just had a "time on Mars" conversation in another non-space channel

L342[11:26:38] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: Thankfully, a Martian day is pretty similar to an Earth day, albeit with more radiation.

L343[11:26:41] <ve2dmn> SnoopJeDi: as in, 'what time is it right now?' or 'how time works on mars' ?

L344[11:26:54] <Deddly> Mars time will be complicated because it's not flat

L345[11:27:21] <Deddly> Scolar_Visari, but synching to earth will be complicated, right?

L346[11:27:46] <Scolar_Visari> Deddly: Amusingly, I just watched Gods of Egypt the other day and they had a flat Earth in which the Sun is literally rotated around it by a boat.

L347[11:27:54] <SnoopJeDi> ve2dmn, the latter

L348[11:28:03] <Deddly> LOL

L349[11:28:31] <SnoopJeDi> it got me wondering though why the Martian sidereal day is so close to the solar day

L350[11:28:36] <ve2dmn> SnoopJeDi: ok. can I can easily imagine people not getting it...

L351[11:28:54] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: Probably giant impact? Phobos and Deimos are strongly suspected to be the children of such an event.

L352[11:29:15] <SnoopJeDi> oh I dunno Scolar_Visari, I'm rather ignorant of space

L353[11:29:16] <ve2dmn> (AKA, treating 'mars' as if it was some city on earth or something)

L354[11:29:16] <Scolar_Visari> Deddly: I was hoping, however, Ra would've moved the Sun across the sky like a celestial Dung Beetle instead of the boat.

L355[11:29:24] <SnoopJeDi> particularly planetary formation etc

L356[11:29:31] <SnoopJeDi> but it does seem like a funny coincidence

L357[11:30:16] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: Citron, Genda & Ida "Formation of Phobos and Deimos via a Giant Impact" Icarus 2015 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.05623.pdf

L358[11:30:19] <SnoopJeDi> ve2dmn, I like the time slip idea

L359[11:31:07] * Scolar_Visari notes that, while the captured asteroid origin theory of Phobos and Deimos was quite popular at one time, there really wasn't strong evidence for it aside from the asteroid's outward similarities to c-type asteroids.

L360[11:31:25] <ve2dmn> I had the impression that the 'moon' of Mars were captured asteroids

L361[11:31:26] <SnoopJeDi> i.e. adding 40 minutes to noon or midnight (or whenever) to sync the two days

L362[11:32:11] <SnoopJeDi> Scolar_Visari, is there something special about the prevailing notion of impact that would tend to a particular value of the sidereal day?

L363[11:32:17] * UmbralRaptor recalls seeing something about moon system <--> ring transformations over billions of years. Particularly with respect to Mars and Saturn.

L364[11:32:22] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Again, it was once suspected because they sort of look like c-types, but their surprisingly low density and very nice orbits are completely inconsistent with that.

L365[11:32:26] <SnoopJeDi> I would think it's largely governed by starting angular momentum and then the mechanics of accretion?

L366[11:32:41] <ve2dmn> I wish we could slow down the earth to a 32h day. I want a longer daytime

L367[11:32:46] <SnoopJeDi> but then, this paper is *about* those mechanics, so...

L368[11:33:06] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: Nothing special, though I seem to recall Rare Earth going on about that a lot.

L369[11:33:37] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Also, we might even be able to determine what particular impact basin Phobos and Deimos originate from!

L370[11:33:53] <ve2dmn> cool

L371[11:34:09] <SnoopJeDi> Scolar_Visari, Rare Earth?

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L373[11:34:53] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: It's a controversial and, quite frankly, outdated book that tried to explain that complex life and the Earth-like worlds they would require are vanishingly rare in the universe.

L374[11:35:03] <SnoopJeDi> ah

L375[11:35:10] <Scolar_Visari> The book discussed the alleged importance of the Earth's relatively large moon in great detail.

L376[11:35:14] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I though you were referencing the youtube channel

L377[11:35:35] <SnoopJeDi> I'm too steeped in frequentist notions to believe anyone's hodge-podge theory about the rarity of anything more than ~1 A.U. away tbh :)

L378[11:35:56] <SnoopJeDi> although Kepler is of course rapidly changing that story

L379[11:36:12] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: Amusingly, the authors *did* argue that simple organisms would practically inundate the universe, going so far as to argue that comets and asteroids in the Solar System could boast life.

L380[11:36:15] <SnoopJeDi> anything planety*

L381[11:38:30] <Scolar_Visari> Though some of its biggest conclusions (the beforementioned influence of Earth's Moon, Jupiter's status as a, "protector" of Earth, lack of observed Earth-mass exoplanets, etc.) have pretty much been debunked and were even suspect when the book was published.

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L384[11:39:12] <APlayer> UmbralRaptor: Nah, the app seems to scan from a list of sites and provide a summary + direct link to articles

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L387[11:39:25] <APlayer> (Sorry, had to leave for a minute there)

L388[11:39:37] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: You missed the Rare Aplayer Hypothesis.

L389[11:40:11] * Scolar_Visari still ponders the habitability of m-dwarf star systems.

L390[11:40:37] <APlayer> Sorry, what did I miss?

L391[11:40:54] <Scolar_Visari> There will be a quiz later.

L392[11:41:16] <Scolar_Visari> Written answers, no multiple choice, and I'll be grading on a scale.

L393[11:41:19] <SnoopJeDi> Scolar_Visari, hm? I thought it was fairly accepted that Jupiter plays a crucial role in the dynamics of the asteroid belt?

L394[11:41:22] <APlayer> Also, no, not idle relay chat, but internet delay chat.

L395[11:41:31] <SnoopJeDi> or do you mean specifically about NEAs

L396[11:42:08] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: working on it. IIRC, we will be trying TTV to check on orbital details of TRAPPIST-1,and see if there's another planet. Not sure how far we are from reflection and transmission spectroscopy of terrestrial sized planets.

L397[11:42:17] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: The argument in the book was that Jupiter prevents asteroids from impacting Earth, but the problem is that Jupiter *creates* NEAs by perturbing objects out of an asteroid belt that it also created.

L398[11:42:38] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: More Ross-168B plz.

L399[11:42:41] <SnoopJeDi> nicely summarized!

L400[11:43:23] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Doesn't Trappist have enough planets?

L401[11:43:26] <UmbralRaptor> My limited understanding is that Jupiter is a net gain because in the early system it scatters out lots of asteroids. In the present epoch, see Scolar_Visari.

L402[11:44:04] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Jupiter: Friend or Foe? An Answer suggested that it scattered out objects beyond the Belt (namely KPOs).

L403[11:44:06] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: Not until there us a system with 10 dynamical planets. :D

L404[11:44:28] <APlayer> Revolution! Grab your pitchforks and torches, we need to fight Jupiter ASAP!

L405[11:44:29] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: You're just doing that so you can say, "Hey, that star has more planets than Sol!"

L406[11:44:39] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: AK-47s for everyone!

L407[11:45:27] <APlayer> UmbralRaptor: Wait, are you directly involved in scanning TRAPPIST-1?

L408[11:45:42] * Scolar_Visari makes an obligatory link to the Horne & Jones article, "Jupiter: friend or foe? An answer" from A&G 2010 http://www.jontihorner.com/papers/FoFAnswer.pdf

L409[11:46:53] <UmbralRaptor> APlayer: not exactly, but we want to use the campus telescope for transit followup because it ha proven sufficiently sensitive.

L410[11:47:16] <APlayer> Transit followup?

L411[11:47:45] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: TRAPPIST's planets are taking a choochoo ride across the surface.

L412[11:47:59] <APlayer> Uh what

L413[11:48:23] <UmbralRaptor> Well, follow ups to transit defections. Trappist-1 was one example, and I know some people are testing it out on Kepler K2 stars.

L414[11:48:24] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: Following up on the link, I don't think there's really a consensus on whether comets or asteroids pose the greatest impact risk.

L415[11:48:31] <APlayer> So I seem to remember they wanted to scan TRAPPIST-1 for MOAR ROCKS

L416[11:48:47] <UmbralRaptor> er, APlayer, not SnoopJeDi

L417[11:48:55] <UmbralRaptor> gah

L418[11:49:08] <ConductorCat> Eclipses, but smaller.

L419[11:49:08] <Scolar_Visari> Mistaking your posts for my one? For shame.

L420[11:49:39] <SnoopJeDi> I have a feeling there's a psychological descriptor for this phenomenon but it eludes me

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L423[11:50:08] <ConductorCat> Conflation?

L424[11:50:10] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: Possession. I use to do it in Dungeon Keeper all the time. Accidentally getting Imps when I wanted trolls.

L425[11:50:11] * UmbralRaptor ? ?

L426[11:50:19] <APlayer> You know what's scary? What if an 'Oumuamua (If I spelled that correctly) -sized interstellar thing hits Earth

L427[11:50:47] * Scolar_Visari read that as Onimusha. "Oh, that's not so bad. A samurai and Jean Reno will save us.

L428[11:50:47] <APlayer> There is like literally no way to prevent, predict or even notice it in advance

L429[11:51:04] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: Yes, but there's also very little to no chance of that ever happening. The odds are, teehee, astronomical.

L430[11:51:09] <SnoopJeDi> 'Oumuamua's discovery came right as I polished off Liu Cixin's trilogy >_>

L431[11:51:09] <ConductorCat> Or a near lightspeed golfball.

L432[11:51:20] <Mat2ch> APlayer: also if it hits you wont notice much.

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L434[11:51:48] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: What really concerns astronomers are objects that make frequent passes within Earth's orbit within the same plane.

L435[11:51:53] <APlayer> Mat2ch: I guess it wouldn't matter if I notice much, because I would be too dead to appreciate whatever I would notice

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L437[11:52:30] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari: Well, yes, but those are things we can predict and even prevent

L438[11:52:44] <APlayer> It's the things we have absolutely no control over that scare me

L439[11:52:44] <SnoopJeDi> [asterisks needed]

L440[11:53:03] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: Yes, but they also pose the greatest odds of impact. An extrasolar intruder's unlikely to come anywhere close to anything in particular, same for stars in colliding galaxies.

L441[11:53:51] <Scolar_Visari> Now this may be different for the perturbation of the Oort Cloud during close approaches with other stars, but that's outside our concern for the next few thousands of years.

L442[11:54:14] <Scolar_Visari> By then, I hope we'd have some sort of come hunting super-WISE.

L443[11:54:46] <Mat2ch> APlayer: that's what I meant.

L444[11:54:47] <Blaank> Endgame asteroid redirection is a giant laser array?

L445[11:55:00] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Run into it with a probe or use a nuke.

L446[11:55:07] <UmbralRaptor> ConductorCat: that we haven't all turned into tang yet means that second impact probably didn't happen.

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L448[11:55:20] <APlayer> The Lasy-Company owned by Elon Musk(tm) provides planetary defense using advanced high-focused electromagnetic narrow-beam technology (r)

L449[11:55:21] <Blaank> I feel like nuking it would be a waste.

L450[11:55:24] <Scolar_Visari> Deflection is not a major concern at the moment because the most common threats could be deflected with kamikaze asteroids.

L451[11:55:49] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Nuking would not be completely destructive, particularly since that requires a lot more energy than is worthwhile.

L452[11:56:07] <Blaank> I mean deflecting it with a nuke.

L453[11:56:08] <Scolar_Visari> Remember: Given a decade plus of warning, a chance in velocity of a few meters per second is sufficient.

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L455[11:56:41] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: It's the only way to reliably deflect extinction level event sized asteroids, though those aren't a major concern at the moment.

L456[11:56:44] <Blaank> That's still a hell of a push.

L457[11:57:03] <Scolar_Visari> Yes, but nukes can vaporize a lot of propellant!

L458[11:57:12] <Blaank> casaba howitzer them.

L459[11:57:14] <Mat2ch> If we all work together, we might be able to push it ;P

L460[11:57:44] <APlayer> And imagine if that goes wrong... "Sir, we had a big asteroid on Earth collision course. Now we have a few dozen of small asteroids on Earth collision course"

L461[11:58:03] * Scolar_Visari links to the all important Ahrens & Harris paper, "Deflection and fragmentation of near-Earth asteroids" from Nature 1992 http://web.gps.caltech.edu/~sue/TJA_LindhurstLabWebsite/ListPublications/Papers_pdf/Seismo_1621.pdf

L462[11:58:15] <Deddly> You guys have it all wrong. You're supposed to land on the asteroid, drill into it and then nuke it from the inside so it splits in two

L463[11:58:57] <UmbralRaptor> If I see any asteroids the size of Texas (Ceres?), I'll let you know.

L464[11:59:00] <Scolar_Visari> While the Ahrens & Harris paper is old, it still holds up despite modern alternatives such as gravity tractors, reflective paint, etc.

L465[11:59:07] <APlayer> Wait, let me send Jeb to the asteroid. If we ever run out of Jebpellant, he will get out and push

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L467[11:59:26] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: That would be one helluva impact to watch from space.

L468[11:59:44] <APlayer> Didn't we see such a thing on Jupiter already?

L469[11:59:49] <Scolar_Visari> Not nearly as big.

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L471[12:00:00] <SnoopJeDi> Deddly, we had Phil Plait here for our Physics Festival and his talk was about asteroids, including some harping on Armageddon

L472[12:00:28] <Deddly> SnoopJeDi, cool

L473[12:00:30] <APlayer> Anyway, I am off for now. See you later!

L474[12:00:31] <SnoopJeDi> He worked through a public-lecture-appropriate estimate of the distance from Earth that they split the asteroid and the necessary blast to clear the planet

L475[12:00:47] <SnoopJeDi> once he got done: "You know, I think it'd do less damage to just let it hit"

L476[12:01:00] <Scolar_Visari> Armageddon is actually an excellent education film. It teaches how NOT to do asteroid impact avoidance.

L477[12:01:13] <SnoopJeDi> because the asteroid is hilariously close to the planet for (legitimate!) Hollywood drama reasons

L478[12:01:40] <SnoopJeDi> relatedly: where it was very *not* appropriate was in NDT's revisit of Cosmos, which had a BAD BAD BAD asteroid belt >:(

L479[12:02:17] <Deddly> I'm more concerned about the extra Delta V necessary to equip those drilling machines with dual miniguns and ammunition.

L480[12:02:40] <SnoopJeDi> nah just don't take any water or food :)

L481[12:02:40] * Scolar_Visari seems to think The Expanse is one of the few media where asteroid belts aren't depicted as being asteroid gardens.

L482[12:03:14] * UmbralRaptor is still sad that C/2013 A1 missed Mars.

L483[12:03:19] <SnoopJeDi> I'm about 4 episodes from the end of the first season, have very much enjoyed it thus far

L484[12:03:39] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: I'm sure the team leads for the various Mars planetary and orbit missions were not.

L485[12:04:06] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: well, yes. But still.

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L487[12:04:35] * Scolar_Visari ponders if planetary scientists and astronomers get into deadly fights over such topics of discussion.

L488[12:04:48] <ve2dmn> Space is big. Real big. Think big, it's bigger.

L489[12:04:59] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: I like to think of it as a prequel to a Battletech series, as they seem to operate on the same technology aside from a distinct lack of K-F Jumpdrives.

L490[12:05:05] <Scolar_Visari> Oh yeah: No giant robots, either.

L491[12:05:34] <SnoopJeDi> I'm pretty unexposed to Battletech but after a discussion of the new MechWarrior footage with some mega-enthusiasts I've been pointed to the Tech Readouts

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L493[12:06:00] <SnoopJeDi> I...am scared of it. I need a Very Expensive Hobby like I need a hole in the head :P

L494[12:06:06] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJedi: The Epstein Drive powered ships of The Expanse are quite similar to the DropShips of Battletech.

L495[12:06:06] <ve2dmn> :D

L496[12:06:15] <Blaank> Mechwarrior 5 is made by the same company responsible for the disaster that is Mechwarrior Online and the same people to CnD all fan Mechwarrior stuff.

L497[12:06:18] <Scolar_Visari> Ridiculous thrust and delta-v, fusion magic, etc.

L498[12:06:22] <Blaank> They are horrible people.

L499[12:07:12] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Disaster? Well, I wouldn't go *that* far, particularly since they had initially planned to make a single-player game and ran out of money for that.

L500[12:07:15] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: Become an academic, and you can have even more expensive hobbies! >:D

L501[12:07:31] <Blaank> MWO is a terrible game.

L502[12:07:33] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: Was that directed at SnoopJeDi?

L503[12:07:58] <Blaank> $500 limited number gold plated mechs

L504[12:08:00] <UmbralRaptor> er, yes.

L505[12:08:14] <ve2dmn> Anyone excisted for the Paradox Battletech game?

L506[12:08:14] <UmbralRaptor> Phone typing is hard. >_>;;

L507[12:08:22] <Blaank> They were killed on sight upon entering the match. Both teams would stop fighting and kill them.

L508[12:08:29] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Psht, it's hardly worth calling its developers horrible people. I know, I've played Airport Tycoon.

L509[12:08:35] <SnoopJeDi> "become" ??

L510[12:08:59] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi has become an Atlas, destroyer of light 'mechs.

L511[12:09:55] * Scolar_Visari actually did like MechWarrior Online's controls if nothing else.

L512[12:10:24] <Scolar_Visari> Also the EW and ECM stuff was a nice touch.

L513[12:10:36] <Blaank> The controls were very good. A superb hybrid of MW3 arms and MW4 torsos.

L514[12:10:45] <Blaank> All games should copy it.

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L516[12:13:04] <Scolar_Visari> Having multiple 'Mechs AMS contribute to each other is also a pretty decent improvement.

L517[12:13:15] <Blaank> yes

L518[12:13:34] <UmbralRaptor> !

L519[12:13:48] <Blaank> I ran 2 CERLL, AMS, ECM kit fox I think?

L520[12:14:08] <Blaank> clan light

L521[12:14:29] * Scolar_Visari ponders why laser AMS wasn't a thing when it's just a matter of hooking up a light laser on to a conventional CIWS.

L522[12:14:45] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Clan light? That right there is a paddling.

L523[12:15:07] <Scolar_Visari> This here is an Inner Sphere channel. You take that Clan stuff right back to beyond the Periphery where it belongs.

L524[12:15:09] <Blaank> It was support

L525[12:15:25] <Blaank> I will take my clan mechs to the plants that are rightfully mine.

L526[12:15:29] <Blaank> planets

L527[12:15:31] <Blaank> Ugh

L528[12:15:38] <Blaank> All I know about clan is their stuff is better.

L529[12:15:40] <Scolar_Visari> Well then, I challenge you to a Trial of Annihilation.

L530[12:15:50] <Blaank> I don't know any of the lore.

L531[12:15:51] <SnoopJeDi> My only real mecha was EarthSiege 2

L532[12:15:55] <Blaank> I just use the mechs because they are better.

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L534[12:16:04] <SnoopJeDi> ...which I might replay during some holiday downtime, come to think of it!

L535[12:16:23] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Canonically, Clan stuff declines in quality relative to the Inner Sphere during the FedCom Civil War era.

L536[12:16:30] <Blaank> how

L537[12:16:56] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Reverse engineering and continuing R&D. Technology sort of improved dramatically in the IS after the Helm Memory Core recovery prior to the Clan Invasions.

L538[12:16:57] <dlrkdesktop> This is gonna sound like a real dumb question, but when using Transfer Window Planner, how do I know how to use the ejection angle and such to know when to burn

L539[12:17:06] <SnoopJeDi> Young Snoop was very impressed at the definitely-subtle-and-clever literary reference in naming the malevolent lunar AI Prometheus

L540[12:17:31] * Scolar_Visari points out that the IS also makes its own ER equipment in lieu of Clan ER.

L541[12:17:43] <ve2dmn> http://store.steampowered.com/app/220200/Kerbal_Space_Program/

L542[12:17:50] <ve2dmn> KSP 50% off

L543[12:18:10] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Generally speaking though, the higher damage and range from Clan gear (particular direct energy weapons) comes at the expense of greater heat generation. This is particularly an issue for laser boats like the Nova Cat.

L544[12:18:51] <Blaank> I've experienced it. That is one of the hottest mechs.

L545[12:18:53] <Scolar_Visari> Also: Unless you're part of the warrior castes, most Clanner civilians have lower standards of living than their IS counterparts.

L546[12:18:55] <UmbralRaptor> dlrkdesktop: is it giving burn times, or are they assumed to be impulsive?

L547[12:19:48] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Playing MechWarrior IV, I often found myself dropping out Clan ER lasers and replacing them with cooler (hah!) IS equivalents.

L548[12:19:55] <dlrkdesktop> UmbralRaptor: Screenshots here: http://triggerau.github.io/TransferWindowPlanner/

L549[12:20:00] <Blaank> I just used less CERLLs.

L550[12:20:03] <dlrkdesktop> What's throwing me is the ejection values

L551[12:20:25] <Blaank> MW4 Mercs is fun.

L552[12:20:36] <Blaank> Regular was fun. Black Knight was fun.

L553[12:20:37] * Scolar_Visari seems to recall the Jade Falcon Puma and its Clan ER-PPCs causing overheating issues.

L554[12:20:42] <SnoopJeDi> ...HUH. I did *not* know that Earthsiege is in the same universe as Tribes

L555[12:20:47] <SnoopJeDi> (I never played the latter)

L556[12:20:48] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah.

L557[12:20:58] <Blaank> Tribes is actually called Earthseige: Tribes.

L558[12:21:13] <dlrkdesktop> So, I've got no idea what to do with the phase angle, ejection angle, and ejection inclination

L559[12:21:16] <SnoopJeDi> Starsiege: Tribes, no?

L560[12:21:33] <dlrkdesktop> Are those just "facts" or do I actually have to do something with them?

L561[12:21:52] * Scolar_Visari still has a CD jewel case with an advertisement for the original Tribes on the back.

L562[12:22:07] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: do you have KAC?

L563[12:22:11] <dlrkdesktop> yep

L564[12:22:15] <Scolar_Visari> And my Homeworld CD has an ad for Ground Control!

L565[12:22:23] <dlrkdesktop> and thats good for timing

L566[12:22:58] <ve2dmn> I seem to remerber the combination of the 2 showing the ejection angle in map view

L567[12:23:03] <SnoopJeDi> Scolar_Visari, did you see Homeworld Remastered on GOG Connect?

L568[12:23:18] <SnoopJeDi> oO(I should probably play Homeworld 2 instead of replaying something, if I holiday-game)Oo

L569[12:23:19] <dlrkdesktop> but I'm not sure if the actual position in the orbit affects the transfer or if it's just the timing

L570[12:23:21] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: I almost forgotten to mentioned that the IS also has its own OmniMechs by the time of the FedCom Civil War.

L571[12:23:39] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: I bought it a while ago, I still prefer Homeworld Classic when playing the original.

L572[12:23:53] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: I don't understand the question...

L573[12:24:06] <SnoopJeDi> Scolar_Visari, because of the systems that were kinda shoehorned into it?

L574[12:24:07] <Scolar_Visari> The Remastered version uses Homeworld 2's engine, which lacks simulated projectiles and instead uses RNG.

L575[12:24:12] <UmbralRaptor> dlrkdesktop: I think it gives an angle for where you wan to be when the burn ends.

L576[12:24:28] <SnoopJeDi> yea, it's just different enough to feel blech for some reason

L577[12:24:30] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: Yeah, some of the Homeworld 1 units were useless upon release as a result

L578[12:24:34] <UmbralRaptor> oh, I misunderstood.

L579[12:24:35] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: it does

L580[12:24:35] <dlrkdesktop> It specifies a departure time and various other values, so I'm not sure if to just burn according to the node values at the time, or if the position in the orbit matters

L581[12:24:55] <UmbralRaptor> dlrkdesktop: phase angle is the angle between your starting and ending bodies.

L582[12:25:04] * Scolar_Visari notes Taiidani coverettes absolutely depending on maintaining a facing towards their targets to be effective, as the turrets had limited freedom of movement.

L583[12:25:16] <dlrkdesktop> Sure

L584[12:25:31] <dlrkdesktop> But that won't change depending on my ships position

L585[12:25:32] <Scolar_Visari> Homeworld Remastered switched them over from circle-strafing to banking turns ala Homeworld 2.

L586[12:25:38] <UmbralRaptor> yeah.

L587[12:25:54] <UmbralRaptor> ejection angle will change depending on when your burn ends,

L588[12:26:09] <dlrkdesktop> depending on timing or position in orbit?

L589[12:26:25] <UmbralRaptor> Yes

L590[12:26:25] <Blaank> yeah, Starsiege. Been ..... 10 years since I saw it. I played the crap out of Tribes.

L591[12:26:26] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDI: Homeworld 2 works, however, and there are already a few total conversion mods for the remastered version.

L592[12:26:45] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: try it. Try burning when closest to the Sun (in Kerbin orbit) and then quickload and do it in the missle of the night

L593[12:26:53] <ve2dmn> (both times prograde)

L594[12:26:56] <dlrkdesktop> the missile of the night?

L595[12:27:01] <Blaank> I was terrible at it.

L596[12:27:03] <ve2dmn> middle*

L597[12:27:09] <ve2dmn> typing is hard

L598[12:27:13] <dlrkdesktop> I get that though, that's phase angle

L599[12:27:29] <Scolar_Visari> The Missile of the Night is awesome sounding.

L600[12:27:31] <dlrkdesktop> It's knowing when to actually start the burn

L601[12:27:49] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari it's my favorite cover band

L602[12:28:02] <dlrkdesktop> lol

L603[12:28:05] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJedi: Deserts of Kharak was pretty good though.

L604[12:28:28] <Blaank> I was terrible at playing Homeworld, too.

L605[12:28:42] <Blaank> RTS is my weakest genre.

L606[12:28:52] <UmbralRaptor> dlrkdesktop: for exactly when to start your burn, you'll need craft dependent things which the planner does not know.

L607[12:28:59] <Scolar_Visari> Blaank: Homeworld was one of the few RTS I was ever good at online. Though I'm guessing it's because it lacked base building shenanigans.

L608[12:29:08] * Scolar_Visari peers over the Steam winter sale.

L609[12:29:15] <dlrkdesktop> UmbralRaptor: Thanks, I probably could have phrased my question way better lol

L610[12:29:22] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: like I said. KSP 50% off

L611[12:29:31] <Scolar_Visari> Oooh, StarTopia less than a $1.

L612[12:29:45] <dlrkdesktop> I just had to get a refund on a game I like and bought yesterday because it's 50% off today lol

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L615[12:29:52] <UmbralRaptor> dlrkdesktop: well, yes. But it's hard to phrase a question well if you don't pretty much already know the answer.

L616[12:30:07] <dlrkdesktop> UmbralRaptor: That's very insightful!

L617[12:30:32] <dlrkdesktop> So, for those craft dependent things, basically just play around with the node, and it should roughly equal the planner, when I get it right?

L618[12:30:57] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: yes

L619[12:31:02] <dlrkdesktop> aight

L620[12:31:20] <ve2dmn> you could try precise calculation with KER or let Mechjeb do everything

L621[12:31:33] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, half off for Civilization VI.

L622[12:31:52] <Scolar_Visari> Ah, but the DLC's not on sale!

L623[12:31:56] <dlrkdesktop> Mechjeb is pretty inaccurate. When I try to have it plot a transfer, it's not even close

L624[12:32:09] <Scolar_Visari> What's the point of getting Civilization VI if it doesn't come with Poland and its free civic per era!?

L625[12:32:13] <dlrkdesktop> Scolar_Visari: I can recommend CVI

L626[12:32:41] <Mathuin> Waiting on CVI until the big DLC has been out and debugged.

L627[12:32:48] <Scolar_Visari> dlrdesktop: But it haz not Poland! Also, excluding Persia from the release would be like excluding what was only the first great empire on the planet.

L628[12:32:56] <dlrkdesktop> hmm

L629[12:33:28] <dlrkdesktop> So, here's a somewhat more difficult problem: Launching to rendezvous with a target orbiting another body

L630[12:33:29] <Scolar_Visari> Because the Neo Assyrians don't consitute Great.

L631[12:33:45] <ve2dmn> time to clean up my wishlist

L632[12:34:03] <Scolar_Visari> At any rate, I want to play the demo first before purchasing, CIV VI being one of the few modern games with one.

L633[12:34:14] <Mathuin> Does the demo run on Linux?

L634[12:34:20] * Scolar_Visari admits to actually getting Civilization V as part of a pre-order deal for 2012's XCOM.

L635[12:34:20] <dlrkdesktop> Here's the somewhat difficult thing I'm trying to accomplish: Launching from Kerbin to intercept a vessel in a polar orbit of the Mun while that polar orbit orbits over a specific point of the Mun

L636[12:34:45] <dlrkdesktop> *hmm*

L637[12:34:45] <Scolar_Visari> Mathuin: Doesnt' say.

L638[12:34:48] <dlrkdesktop> **hmm**

L639[12:34:50] * dlrkdesktop hmm

L640[12:34:56] <Mathuin> dlrkdesktop: I have done that in the past by launching to rendezvous with the Mun, then upon entry of the SOI, solve the orbit problem from maximum distance.

L641[12:35:07] * dlrkdesktop is overly optimistic about things that can be accomplished in KSP

L642[12:35:21] <dlrkdesktop> Yeah, I can do that, but I'm trying to save some dV

L643[12:35:31] <Mathuin> That's a minimum dV approach IMO

L644[12:35:45] <Mathuin> Unless you're amazingly stylish and can increase your inclination by the width of the Mun to come in top heavy.

L645[12:36:12] <dlrkdesktop> I'm trying to get into a polar orbit while the vessel I'm rendezvousing (which is also in a polar orbit) is in the same plane

L646[12:36:23] <dlrkdesktop> So that I'm in the *right* polar orbit for rendezvous

L647[12:36:39] <Mathuin> Oh, *that* problem isn't one for which I have an elegant solution.

L648[12:37:29] <dlrkdesktop> I figure what would work would just be to time the launch such that the target orbit is perpendicular to Kerbin at the time of rendezvous

L649[12:37:36] <Mathuin> One trick which may or may not work -- notice the angle at which you approach the Mun on a Hohmann transfer from LKO, then wait until the polar orbit's alignment matches.

L650[12:38:08] * Scolar_Visari leaves to ponder a Hohmann transfer into a Steam sale.

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L652[12:38:42] <dlrkdesktop> The perpendicular thing, does that make sense?

L653[12:40:07] <Mathuin> I think so, but that's assuming you enter the SOI at the point of the sphere closest to Kerbin.

L654[12:40:30] <Mathuin> That's why I suggested the "notice the angle" bit to see if it's really straight on or not. I always seem to be hitting the forward point of the sphere.

L655[12:40:33] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: you are going to the Mun? I though you were trying to get to Duna or Eve

L656[12:40:34] <Mathuin> But I use MJ

L657[12:41:38] <kubi> https://imgur.com/gallery/6kAiUqS

L658[12:42:02] <Mathuin> Cloudy at Newgrange, no solar alignment today. Or yesterday. Maybe next year?

L659[12:42:39] <dlrkdesktop> ve2dmn: The two questions are unrelated

L660[12:43:28] <kubi> Thursday, 21 December 2017, 17:28 CET

L661[12:43:30] <Mathuin> Non sequitre: Are "non-Hohmann interplanetary transfers" what MJ uses for advanced transfer to planet?

L662[12:43:47] <ve2dmn> ok

L663[12:43:49] <dlrkdesktop> I need to start keeping a KSP notebook

L664[12:43:54] <kubi> jeee, 2 hours passed

L665[12:44:41] <dlrkdesktop> I'm midway through my junior year of college (university), and I'm the exact opposite of a physics major, so studying for KSP isnt quite in my core competency

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L667[12:44:46] <dlrkdesktop> lol

L668[12:46:43] <UmbralRaptor> Orbital mechanics you learn in KSP is separate (but complimentary to) what you learn in Physics classes.

L669[12:47:10] <ve2dmn> I still don't understand why English has words for every year of education

L670[12:47:17] <dlrkdesktop> It is odd

L671[12:47:38] <Mathuin> Once upon a time, the designations meant something, I think.

L672[12:47:56] <dlrkdesktop> It's especially odd if you didn't actually go year by year, and so "junior/third year" simply means X amount of credits

L673[12:48:04] <UmbralRaptor> ^

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L675[12:48:13] <Mathuin> That was me. I was a "supersenior" for 2.5 years.

L676[12:48:24] <dlrkdesktop> oh, me too

L677[12:48:28] <ve2dmn> I went the '12-14' credit per semester

L678[12:48:38] <Mathuin> But that's what happens when you switch from CS/Math to food science/enology

L679[12:48:47] <Mathuin> pretty much nothing transfers

L680[12:48:59] <dlrkdesktop> I started college 2 or 3 years ago and have been working the whole time so it's not quite the standard route lol

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L682[12:49:12] <ve2dmn> I know some people who spent 7 or 8 years in college

L683[12:49:13] <Mathuin> My first college credits are from 1989, I completely understand.

L684[12:49:23] <dlrkdesktop> But it's funny looking at all this KSP physics while sitting next to a stack of sociology texts

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L686[12:50:32] <ve2dmn> It's also weird to me because our Bachelor are 3 years instead of 4...

L687[12:50:38] <Mathuin> See, now for that I'm jealous.

L688[12:50:46] <ve2dmn> ... but we get to college 1 year later

L689[12:50:53] <dlrkdesktop> ve2dmn: where's that?

L690[12:50:56] <ve2dmn> QC

L691[12:51:04] <dlrkdesktop> What's that?

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L693[12:51:28] <ve2dmn> Basically, you finish high school 1 years before, Everyone has 2 years of community college, then University is 3 years

L694[12:51:37] <dlrklaptop> I mean, what's QC?

L695[12:51:45] <UmbralRaptor> Quebec

L696[12:51:47] <ve2dmn> Québec

L697[12:51:52] <dlrklaptop> Oh, I'm from Michigan

L698[12:52:05] <dlrklaptop> that's more or less what I did lol

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L701[12:52:51] <ve2dmn> It's a bit more flexible (you start your specialization 1 year ealier) but that make us incompatible with the rest of North America

L702[12:53:41] <dlrklaptop> Not really. It's pretty common to go to a community college before university. You get all the general ed stuff done really cheaply, and you don't have to take an ACT/SAT

L703[12:53:49] <ve2dmn> It does have the advantage that since everyone is 18 by the time they get to college, driking on campus is legal

L704[12:54:22] <dlrklaptop> Ah, here we

L705[12:54:24] <Mathuin> Alcohol consumption is only legal on my campus or on school-sponsored trips with the authorization of the University President.

L706[12:54:31] <Mathuin> *Tasting* is fine if a professor says it's okay.

L707[12:54:31] <dlrklaptop> Ah, here we've got that really weird US drinking age

L708[12:54:41] <Mathuin> We do a *lot* of tasting in fermentation science.

L709[12:55:09] <dlrklaptop> It's completely ignored, getting in trouble for drinking underage is more of getting in trouble for incompetence in sneaking

L710[12:55:14] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: I know. We get all the tourist from Vermont and NY state that comes to Montreal just to drink...

L711[12:55:52] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: when I was 18 several friends of mine and I drove to Montreal from Troy NY to drink and eat donuts.

L712[12:56:02] * Mathuin still has a picture from 1990 of him in front of Monsieur Donut.

L713[12:56:04] <dlrklaptop> Yeah.

L714[12:56:22] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: REALLY? thoses are long gone

L715[12:56:25] <dlrklaptop> We've got some weird laws here.

L716[12:56:31] <dlrklaptop> Congrats on the legal weed btw

L717[12:56:33] <ve2dmn> (except in Japan)

L718[12:56:39] <Mathuin> Aww, that's a shame.

L719[12:56:48] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: not legal yet

L720[12:56:55] <ve2dmn> SOON (tm)

L721[12:57:18] <Mathuin> Gotta say, legalization in Oregon hasn't really changed much, except we've got more storefronts that are no longer vacant.

L722[12:57:30] <Mathuin> Almost all the medical dispensaries went recreational-also.

L723[12:57:41] <dlrklaptop> I'm optimistic my state will legalize next year

L724[12:57:56] <dlrklaptop> Assuming Jeff the Confederate Elf doesn't send in the army

L725[12:57:58] <Mathuin> I don't partake, but I'm okay with legalization as long as it's treated like alcohol.

L726[12:58:26] <Mathuin> One of our Congresscritters is trying to get federal legalization passed.

L727[12:58:35] <Mathuin> Wonder if he can talk the R's into it with tax money.

L728[12:58:38] <Mathuin> NO MORE US POLITICS SORRY

L729[12:58:43] <dlrklaptop> Honestly the best argument for legalizing is so we can honestly discuss the downside of marijuana

L730[12:58:45] <UmbralRaptor> This probably violates the letter, though not the spirit (hah) of three rules.

L731[12:58:57] <UmbralRaptor> s/three/the/

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L734[12:59:33] * dlrklaptop looks at rules

L735[12:59:37] * dlrklaptop doesnt see anything broken

L736[12:59:57] <dlrklaptop> oh 2.2d

L737[13:00:02] <ve2dmn> yes

L738[13:00:12] <ve2dmn> do not provoke the banhammer :D

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L741[13:00:38] <dlrklaptop> oh man, you guys hear about the person who's working on a PhD in online moderaton?

L742[13:00:40] <ve2dmn> Do not provoke the ops, for they are subtle and quick to anger

L743[13:00:59] <Deddly> I look away for 10 minutes ...

L744[13:01:07] * APlayer sees "provoke" and "op" in a sentence

L745[13:01:21] <dlrklaptop> come to think of it though, KSP's forums and IRC do have better moderators than elsewhere

L746[13:01:26] * APlayer engages WeaOPons

L747[13:01:39] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: think of the people on thoses places...

L748[13:02:03] <ve2dmn> KSP is more of a brain game then adrenaline

L749[13:02:10] <APlayer> dlrklaptop: Of course, I am OP here and not elsewhere

L750[13:02:11] <APlayer> :P

L751[13:02:14] <dlrklaptop> I'm thinking of flightsim forums, which are kinda the gold standard for bad mods

L752[13:02:18] <Mathuin> patience hair-tearing revert-eighty-times

L753[13:04:25] <dlrklaptop> I've gotten the hang of landing stages at KSC, which is cool

L754[13:05:01] <Mathuin> Have you tweaked the admin to increase the benefits?

L755[13:05:12] <dlrklaptop> huh?

L756[13:06:16] <APlayer> dlrklaptop: What a coincidence! Even now as we chat, I am working on a kOS thing to do pretty much exactly that. Looks like SpaceX ignited quite thy hype about landings back at the launch site :D

L757[13:06:29] <dlrklaptop> right?

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L759[13:07:08] <dlrklaptop> I've been doing it with Mechjeb's Smartass and Trajectories, with manual throttle until autolanding once I'm steady over the target

L760[13:07:19] <dlrklaptop> Headcanon is KSC has recovery controllers doing it

L761[13:07:22] <Mathuin> dlrklaptop: have you tried using MJ's landing guidance?

L762[13:07:22] <ve2dmn> APlayer: share? :D

L763[13:07:25] <APlayer> By the way, the nick of the person that just joined the channel reminds me that I have not seen Scott Manley around here for quite a while

L764[13:07:26] <dlrklaptop> It's a lot easier than a spaceplane though

L765[13:07:34] <Mathuin> with probes, you can use Probe Control Room and do it from KSC. :-)

L766[13:07:37] <dlrklaptop> Mathuin: It doesn't work too well with FAR

L767[13:07:48] <Mathuin> Ah, I'm not a FAR user.

L768[13:07:52] <ve2dmn> APlayer: scott is too busy playing Elite Dangerous

L769[13:08:10] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Pics only for now, I guess. The code is badly commented, only semi-works and changes like every 10 minutes as I tweak stuff

L770[13:08:35] <dlrklaptop> Elite needs to get atmospheric planets and spacelegs

L771[13:08:40] <ve2dmn> I would say: add comment explaining the logic and I might help out

L772[13:09:00] <dlrklaptop> It's too bad about Star Citizen

L773[13:09:03] <APlayer> Oh, it's just tweaking, tweaking, tweaking

L774[13:09:57] <APlayer> Given that a test run takes 10 minutes and I need to closely watch the first three of them to switch vessels from stage 2 to stage 1 (else the script fails due to Trajectories not working, and by the time I reboot it the boostback delta-V grows insane)

L775[13:10:05] <APlayer> So yeah, it's annoying

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L778[13:11:25] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Introducing the Kapitalist Space Program! No Krakens or Kings, only Kermen!

L779[13:11:28] <APlayer> As for what I am currently having trouble with is (1) fine-tuning atmospheric lift guidance, and (2) the suicide landing burn

L780[13:12:03] <APlayer> Both kind of work, but the former is prone to leave an error of up to 20 m, and the latter has trouble correcting it without tipping the booster on landing

L781[13:12:20] <dlrklaptop> 20m is pretty good, IMO

L782[13:12:42] * Scolar_Visari suddenly remembered that they have two monitors and can keep a browser *AND* a game open at the same time.

L783[13:12:59] <Scolar_Visari> Now let's see if this Sean Bean narration actually works.

L784[13:13:09] <dlrklaptop> The problem I'm having is controlling attitude at the low level phase

L785[13:13:15] <APlayer> I need to land back on pad. Once I manage to do that reliably, I will employ an extra landing pad craft. Currently it is out of service since I last crashed into it, and it's annoying to place a new one every time

L786[13:13:47] <APlayer> Anyway, final landing error margin is about 3 m

L787[13:13:53] <dlrklaptop> I've been just landing at the approach end of runway 09

L788[13:14:14] <dlrklaptop> Though, I'm probably gonna use Kerbal Konstructs to add a pad across the ocean from KSC

L789[13:14:28] <APlayer> I need some beacon to transmit exact latitude/longitude coords, hence I only land at specific locations

L790[13:14:50] <dlrklaptop> you cant code that in?

L791[13:15:13] <APlayer> I can, but it's annoying, again. :P Also, landing on a circular pad is pretty cool stuff ;-)

L792[13:15:16] <dlrklaptop> Coveniently, the location Trajectories uses for KSC is the approach end of runway 09

L793[13:15:33] <APlayer> This location is not exposed to kOS

L794[13:15:39] * Scolar_Visari ponders the irony of of Civilization VI's intro video including a depiction of Polish winged hussars despite there not being in the initial release.

L795[13:15:52] <Scolar_Visari> Also . . . A Falcon 9 rocket is the space victory?

L796[13:16:09] <dlrklaptop> Yeah, it should be a nuclear BFR

L797[13:16:12] <ve2dmn> APlayer: remind me: is it possible to guesstimate the TWR of the next stage in kOS?

L798[13:16:21] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Kind of, yes

L799[13:16:26] <Scolar_Visari> dlrklaptor: Not a methlox one?

L800[13:16:26] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: KER does it, the math isn't that hard I think.

L801[13:16:45] <APlayer> Loop through the part tree up to the decoupler, cut off then. Add all masses on the way

L802[13:16:48] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: I wish I could use the KER data in kOS

L803[13:16:50] <dlrklaptop> I'm no expert, but I think nuclear with methane is probably best

L804[13:17:01] <APlayer> Figuring out thrust is harder, I rely on name tags to identify active engines

L805[13:17:13] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: kRPC has a 'krpcmj' that's mostly POC but does work. I'm surprised kOS doesn't have the same.

L806[13:17:17] <Scolar_Visari> "I'm not expert, but I say we should put the methane through a nuclear reactor before igniting it with the oxygen."

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L808[13:17:44] <APlayer> dlrklaptop: Nobody talking about rail gunrockets?

L809[13:18:02] <dlrklaptop> scolar_visari: No need to ignite

L810[13:18:12] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: They're not as 'splodey

L811[13:18:19] <dlrklaptop> NTR with methane as the fluid

L812[13:18:40] <Scolar_Visari> dlrklaptop: I think NTR with methane propellant would be pretty poor isp.

L813[13:19:09] <APlayer> IIRC methane does not expand as much?

L814[13:19:26] <dlrklaptop> I think I heard somewehere that methane is good for NTRs because it won't boil off fast like LH2

L815[13:19:34] <ve2dmn> dlrkdesktop: If you want an extra challenge, try installing real fuels

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L817[13:19:54] <APlayer> BFR does not have boiloff problems, IIRC they wanted Mars ISRU for refuelling

L818[13:20:16] <Scolar_Visari> dlrklaptop: Boiloff can be mitigated through refrigeration, which is what the BFR would be doing via selective evaporation.

L819[13:20:18] <ve2dmn> What the official name of BFR?

L820[13:20:29] <APlayer> Big Falcon Rocket

L821[13:20:35] <dlrklaptop> ve2dmn: I used to use RealFuels, but it's unbalanced without a scaled up solar system, and a scaled up solar system makes everything sink into the ground unrealitically

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L823[13:20:57] <dlrklaptop> I'd rather compromise on the fuels than deal with Elbonia syndrome

L824[13:21:07] <APlayer> Something about RF really bugged me... I mean, how do you just take an engine and change the fuel it runs on?

L825[13:21:27] <APlayer> dlrklaptop: Sinks into the ground?

L826[13:21:28] <Scolar_Visari> dlrklaptop: If you're investing in reusable NTRs, you should probably have a handle on longterm storage of LH2.

L827[13:22:06] <dlrklaptop> Aplayer: Yeah, theres some sort of terrain issue where the mesh is below the image

L828[13:22:19] <APlayer> So this /was/ KScale64

L829[13:22:26] <dlrklaptop> yeah

L830[13:22:31] <dlrklaptop> did they fix it?

L831[13:22:34] <APlayer> I keep having trouble with that, it keeps covering KSC

L832[13:22:52] <Mathuin> Years ago I had some mod combination that flooded KSC. Real global warming stuff.

L833[13:22:58] <APlayer> Current workaround I do is change scene while in the vacuum part of the suborbital trajectory

L834[13:22:59] <dlrklaptop> KSC is the best buggy mess

L835[13:23:18] * Scolar_Visari winces at narration. Isn't it *Chin*, not *Kin* Shi Huang?

L836[13:23:53] <Scolar_Visari> Huh, sure is a pretty game, though. It actually runs.

L837[13:24:32] <Scolar_Visari> Ah, space victory is a Mars colony now. That would explain the Totally-not-a-SpaceX-Rocket in the intro.

L838[13:25:18] <dlrklaptop> Mass Effect literally has an FH model in your ship

L839[13:26:27] <Scolar_Visari> I would've gone for a space station victory with giant oribiting cans.

L840[13:27:26] <APlayer> So, I keep launching rockets and landing the first stage back at KSC... But where do the second stages go? No fish or Kraken in the Kerlantic ocean have filed complaints yet

L841[13:28:57] <dlrklaptop> I usually can circularize with my final stage/vessel

L842[13:29:20] <dlrklaptop> Either stage 2 winds up impacting the mun, returning in combination the main vessel, or floating off interplanetary

L843[13:29:20] <APlayer> Breaking news: UFO spotted at KSC: https://i.imgur.com/MmRlN4B.png

L844[13:29:30] <APlayer> Actually this is the landing pad, but shushhh!

L845[13:30:27] <Deddly> Neat

L846[13:30:44] <APlayer> I wonder what happens if I land on it in such a quantum levitation state

L847[13:31:17] <APlayer> Also, dlrklaptop: I only have a dummy gravity turn table there right now, it never gets high enough to circularize

L848[13:31:33] <APlayer> Not working on it for now either, I need to get the thing to land first

L849[13:31:55] <dlrklaptop> oh lol

L850[13:32:30] <APlayer> UFO imagery revealed that one of the wheels on the landing pad is broken

L851[13:32:43] <APlayer> I wonder why, it was intact before it took off

L852[13:34:40] <APlayer> Also neat fact: Turns out the boostback burn is more efficient if you burn slightly upwards rather than straight at the horizon

L853[13:35:39] <APlayer> I guess it makes sense, less velocity needed to coast back to KSC because more time to impact if you still coast upwards to apoapsis, rather than straight down

L854[13:35:44] <Fluburtur> I found solder

L855[13:35:55] <APlayer> Need to figure out the maths, it sounds like an interesting challenge

L856[13:36:39] <APlayer> Find the optimal AoA to horizon and boostback delta-V given downrange distance, altitude and velocity

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L858[13:38:59] <APlayer> Fluburtur: Did you have to rob a bank in order to find it?

L859[13:39:06] <Fluburtur> no

L860[13:39:23] <Fluburtur> just go into the forgotten pile of stuff at then end of the workshop

L861[13:40:18] <APlayer> Sounds pretty similar, if you ask me

L862[13:41:05] <Fluburtur> yeah

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L864[13:41:55] <Scolar_Visari> Crap did . . . did Sean Bean quote A Prarie Home Companion?

L865[13:42:52] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: anything good on sale?

L866[13:43:36] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Civilization VI I guess? I'm playing the demo right now and was just put-off by Sean Bean quoting the most boring radio show ever conceived. Other than that, StarTopia is $1 today on Steam too.

L867[13:44:16] <Scolar_Visari> I will say, however, that I do indeed "dig" its artstyle and the fact that it manages to even run on my computer.

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L869[13:44:35] <APlayer> When you use a plane to get from one end of the KSC to the other...

L870[13:45:01] <APlayer> And also you wear a spacesuit all the time

L871[13:45:51] <APlayer> It's important, especially the helmet. I mean, you could get hit by falling rocket debris any time, you never know

L872[13:46:14] <SnoopJeDi> Scolar_Visari, I do not understand the appeal either

L873[13:47:03] <Scolar_Visari> SnoopJeDi: I believe the only reason NPR continued playing it was because of inertia. I can't imagine people actually tuning in and listening in unless they realllly like falling asleep while driving.

L874[13:47:24] <SnoopJeDi> it's a prarie *home* companion :P

L875[13:47:29] <SnoopJeDi> prairie, too

L876[13:48:08] <SnoopJeDi> Scolar_Visari, Santaland Diaries catches me by complete surprise every. single. year.

L877[13:48:39] <Scolar_Visari> What's that? Wait, wait, don't tell me.

L878[13:49:04] <SnoopJeDi> hah!

L879[13:49:45] <APlayer> Judging by the name of whatever that is, Scolar_Visari has some rather well developed self-preservation instincts

L880[13:50:06] <Scolar_Visari> It's all just car talk to me.

L881[13:50:54] <ve2dmn> I live in a bubble. What are you talking about?

L882[13:50:58] <SnoopJeDi> These puns, Here & Now? They're a breath of Fresh Air.

L883[13:51:09] <Scolar_Visari> Well what'dya know?

L884[13:51:22] <SnoopJeDi> NPR programmes ve2dmn

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L886[13:54:25] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm . . . The new city mangament's actually kind of fun.

L887[13:57:08] <ve2dmn> Opinions on 'Satellite Command' ?

L888[13:57:20] <Scolar_Visari> The watercolor effect on the fog of war covered aeras of the map also reminds me of Valkyria Chronicles.

L889[13:57:26] <Mathuin> ve2dmn: context?

L890[13:57:47] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: steam sale

L891[13:59:12] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: http://store.steampowered.com/app/514670/Satellite_Command/

L892[13:59:49] <Mathuin> Trailer makes me think it's KSP for people who hate the editor

L893[13:59:50] <Mathuin> Hard to say

L894[14:00:30] <Mathuin> Reviews are pretty harsh.

L895[14:00:52] <Mathuin> Apparently it's a port of a mobile version, and it involves waiting for issues which you then resolve?

L896[14:01:40] <ve2dmn> When there's a sale, anything above 50% either get deleted from my wishlist or bought (with a few exceptions)

L897[14:01:50] <Mathuin> Nice

L898[14:01:55] <Mathuin> "buy or get off the pot"

L899[14:02:00] <ve2dmn> basically

L900[14:02:20] <ve2dmn> if it's good enough, it will be re-offered to me in the future

L901[14:02:44] <ve2dmn> my library is big enough anyway

L902[14:02:53] <SnoopJeDi> really showing off the aurorae in the screenshots hehe

L903[14:05:15] <ve2dmn> I have a lot of crap on my wishlist

L904[14:05:40] <JCB> egh.. I'm so on the other end of that scale

L905[14:06:02] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Beware, I will actually gift that to you on Christmas

L906[14:06:08] <JCB> ever since new pc..KSP... pretty much only thing it seems someitmes

L907[14:06:16] <ve2dmn> Gift what?

L908[14:06:34] <ve2dmn> JCB: if you look at my play-time, KSP dominates

L909[14:06:43] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm, Firaxis certainly got its money's worth out of Sean Bean. Most enthusiastic quote reading since SMAC.

L910[14:06:57] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Yeah, but most of KSP is load screens and time warps!

L911[14:07:00] <APlayer> Exactly the thing you have on your wishlist :P

L912[14:07:24] <APlayer> At least exactly the thing you claimed to have on your wishlist

L913[14:07:24] <UmbralRaptor> If you add 3rd party software to Steam, will it show time played? >_>

L914[14:07:39] <SnoopJeDi> Steam is the new toggl

L915[14:07:39] * UmbralRaptor has ideas involving Excel.

L916[14:07:39] <ve2dmn> APlayer: https://steamcommunity.com/id/ve2dmn/wishlist/

L917[14:07:53] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: there's an app for that

L918[14:08:00] <UmbralRaptor> Hah

L919[14:08:07] <APlayer> ve2dmn: "I have a lot of crap on my wishlist"

L920[14:08:23] <Mathuin> Wait you can see other people's wishlists?!?

L921[14:08:23] <APlayer> I am more savage than you think

L922[14:08:35] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: if you share it, yes

L923[14:08:44] <ve2dmn> you can make your profile private

L924[14:08:51] <Mathuin> Oooh, my wife's wishlist *is* available

L925[14:09:19] <ve2dmn> My lack of social life is howing in my steam accound :/

L926[14:09:45] <ve2dmn> showing*

L927[14:10:07] <ve2dmn> My friends are all parents, so time is now an issue

L928[14:10:10] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Introverted people for the win

L929[14:10:35] <APlayer> Or did I mis-identify the problem?

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L931[14:16:42] <ve2dmn> APlayer: yes and no

L932[14:17:04] <ve2dmn> You are technically correct

L933[14:17:41] <ve2dmn> btw, I should really remove M.A.X. from the wishlist: I have the original CD

L934[14:17:57] <APlayer> Given the interests you pursue, I was statistically likely to be correct :P

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L936[14:18:35] <Mathuin> Can Steam delay the delivery of a present until Christmas?

L937[14:18:52] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: good question

L938[14:19:19] <ve2dmn> you could buy it youself, put it in your inventory and send it later

L939[14:19:23] <Mathuin> I think the only way is to do it as an email or ... that way :-)

L940[14:20:04] <ve2dmn> You (probably) want it that way

L941[14:20:17] <ve2dmn> it depend if the item is on sale then

L942[14:21:06] <Mathuin> Mmm. Or maybe early morning I'll get my phone and pull the trigger on the cart. :-)

L943[14:21:23] <Mathuin> (interesting to note that the oldest thing in my wishlist is from jsut over three years ago)

L944[14:22:06] <Mathuin> I also have ten free things, mostly so I don't forget about them.

L945[14:22:37] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: I have things in my wishlsit that I already own, but have yet to recieve

L946[14:22:42] <ve2dmn> (kickstarted)

L947[14:24:31] <Mathuin> I have some games which I used to own and really loved but no longer have a platform that supports them, so I have them in case some day they come out for Linux

L948[14:24:46] <Mathuin> "hello" "hello" "follow me" "okay"

L949[14:25:28] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: kind of like me and FFXII

L950[14:26:40] <ve2dmn> Which remnds me: KSP was annonced for the WiiU... what happened?

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L952[14:32:05] * Scolar_Visari ponders purchasing Civilization VI just to hear Boromir.

L953[14:32:35] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: what was his line again in 'The Martian' ?

L954[14:32:47] <APlayer> Which line?

L955[14:33:20] <ve2dmn> He had to explain the 'elrond' reference to the PR lady

L956[14:33:33] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dm: Yes, and it was hilarious.

L957[14:33:52] <Scolar_Visari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YmDT2BgI-0

L958[14:33:52] <kmath> YouTube - Project Elrond aka Flight Director Boromir

L959[14:35:09] <ve2dmn> :D

L960[14:36:12] <ve2dmn> i heard that they had too many actors that said 'yes' when asked to do that movie...

L961[14:36:44] <ve2dmn> Since they all really wanted to do that movie, they collectively said yes to a pay cut

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L963[14:40:04] <Scolar_Visari> Now that I think about it . . . Civilization VI is the only thing I can think I *could* want but don't have that will actually run.

L964[14:40:28] * Scolar_Visari ponders saving more evacuees in Elite from the Thargoid attacked stations.

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L968[14:48:10] <Guest76774> oi

L969[14:48:18] <APlayer> o7

L970[14:48:20] <Guest76774> oof

L971[14:48:32] <APlayer> Heeloo there

L972[14:48:40] <Guest76774> hows it goin

L973[14:48:58] <APlayer> It's flying here

L974[14:49:08] <Guest76774> same

L975[14:49:24] <Guest76774>

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L978[14:50:04] <APlayer> Not sure I received that last message properly

L979[14:51:41] <ve2dmn> it said: 'whitespace'

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L982[14:59:29] <Fluburtur> the solder I found is weird

L983[14:59:39] <Fluburtur> like unusually thick even when moldten

L984[14:59:53] <APlayer> Does it come with automatic unsoldering capability?

L985[15:00:02] <APlayer> Rapid unscheduled unsoldering, that is

L986[15:00:05] <Fluburtur> not sure yet

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L988[15:11:13] <Mathuin> Portal 2 is now under two dollars. That means it's cheap enough to make a new account just for that game in order to get the MP achievements.

L989[15:11:57] <darsie> MP?

L990[15:12:12] <oren> I got cuphead!

L991[15:12:14] <darsie> multi player?

L992[15:12:32] <darsie> I finished P2.

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L997[15:15:44] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.

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L999[15:16:28] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: Achivements are worth something?

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L1001[15:19:29] <oren> ve2dmn: they are worth bragging rights

L1002[15:19:52] <ve2dmn> I should start collecting them then

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L1004[15:20:23] <darsie> I tried the free sequel, but it's too hard.

L1005[15:20:37] <darsie> and a bit boring

L1006[15:20:43] <ve2dmn> Although I'm always suprised when I looked at my Steam profile.

L1007[15:21:03] <ve2dmn> I have the 'achivement showcase' where you have your most rare achivements

L1008[15:21:24] <ve2dmn> Some of thoses are super easy https://steamcommunity.com/id/ve2dmn

L1009[15:26:51] <Leveller> wait...

L1010[15:27:06] <Leveller> Ah no.

L1011[15:27:18] <ve2dmn> what?

L1012[15:29:20] * darsie stops waiting.

L1013[15:31:06] <oren> there is also the whole steam trading cards and badge system to waste time on

L1014[15:32:33] <ve2dmn> oren: and you can't buy-low-sell-high because the fee are a significant fraction of the price

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L1016[15:38:12] <oren> ve2dmn: yeah I haven'te even tried to do that. just collecting lotsa stuff to put on my profile lately

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L1018[15:41:15] <ve2dmn> I know the devs get a tiny fraction of the card in the market, so I crafted badges for the games I liked

L1019[15:41:47] <ve2dmn> I think the most fun I had paying a game full price was portal 2 and the Potato sack

L1020[15:50:32] <umaxtu> ve2dmn: what about KSP?

L1021[15:51:05] <ve2dmn> KSP has been the more $/h gaming 'investment' i did

L1022[15:51:48] <ve2dmn> I think 50% of my gaming habits is Minecraft + KSP

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L1024[15:56:30] <Mathuin> WoW was my personal max. I paid $25 or so a month for the privilege of a second full-time job.

L1025[16:00:53] <ve2dmn> :D

L1026[16:08:46] <ve2dmn> I did EvE online... 10 years ago

L1027[16:08:53] * ve2dmn get gray hairs

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L1041[17:14:24] <sandbox> portal

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L1045[17:23:37] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: The follow program is sponsored by Weyland Yutani, "Building Better Worlds", the Umbrella Corporation, "Nothing is Impossible", Omni Consumer Products, "We've Got the Future Under Control", and by viewers like you!

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L1048[17:23:52] <Ezko_> dons and saughters of kerbin

L1049[17:24:33] <Scolar_Visari> Ezko: You're thinking about the Kerbal Crimelord Program.

L1050[17:26:11] <Supernovy> Don and Slaughter

L1051[17:29:21] <Scolar_Visari> That'd be the Kerbal Wrestling Program

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L1054[17:44:10] * Scolar_Visari ponders watching the Jean-Claude van Damme series.

L1055[17:54:29] <Scolar_Visari> So no SDI Star Wars? http://spacenews.com/new-report-slams-idea-of-a-missile-defense-shield-in-space/

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L1058[17:58:05] * Scolar_Visari reads comments advocating particle beam ABM systems, because we totes have PPCs lying around.

L1059[18:02:10] <Scolar_Visari> And evidence that life on Earth nearly 3.5 billion years old https://phys.org/news/2017-12-oldest-fossils-life-earth-began.html

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L1061[18:09:30] * Scolar_Visari ponders making a Elder Scrolls species pack mod for Stellaris.

L1062[18:24:41] <Scolar_Visari> It spacewalks on warm regolith.

L1063[18:36:20] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: Yay, Argonians.

L1064[18:36:48] <UmbralRaptor> (And I guess a few different elves and kitties)

L1065[18:38:22] <oren> I use an anime girls species pack

L1066[18:38:53] <Supernovy> why not just really really big CIWS?

L1067[18:39:02] <darsie> unfortunately the 7 m encounter didn't help. Jeb had sneaked into the rocket.

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L1074[19:29:24] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: The only real issue I think such a mod would entail is the lack of unique symbols for each of the provinces.

L1075[19:30:39] <Scolar_Visari> Other than that, most of the Tamriel species already have corresponding avatars.

L1076[19:31:55] <TheKosmonaut> But they all converge on one speciality

L1077[19:32:01] <TheKosmonaut> Stealth archer

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L1079[19:34:01] <TheKosmonaut> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oe89OKwd/IMG_0654.JPG

L1080[19:34:45] <TheKosmonaut> Hmm

L1081[19:35:35] <taniwha> Scolar_Visari: you need blender, but here's an example of icosahedral map projection: http://taniwha.org/~bill/icosahedral.blend

L1082[19:36:09] <taniwha> layer 1 has the "output" sphere and layer 2 has the "input" icosahedron

L1083[19:36:28] <taniwha> (I used blender's texture baking to do the sphere)

L1084[19:39:44] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha: Courtesy of Sean Bean's voiceovers, I have now been brainwashed into believing that there is only one correct map projection and it is rectangular in shape.

L1085[19:39:54] <Scolar_Visari> Also . . . I can't recall the last time I had Blender.

L1086[19:40:28] <taniwha> is Sean Bean a FEer?

L1087[19:40:45] <Scolar_Visari> No, but he does narrate the quotes in Civilization VI.

L1088[19:40:56] <taniwha> ah

L1089[19:41:17] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut: Wait a second . . . That picture, wouldn't some of the, ah, word choices be against channel rules?

L1090[19:41:53] <TheKosmonaut> Scolar_Visari: ...

L1091[19:42:03] * TheKosmonaut checks again

L1092[19:42:47] <TheKosmonaut> Oh I missed the thalmor bit

L1093[19:42:54] <TheKosmonaut> My browser cut it off

L1094[19:42:56] <TheKosmonaut> Sigh

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L1096[19:43:01] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha: Huh, I can even download icosahedral map generators!

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L1099[19:43:17] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut: That was rather too lenient a punishment, don't you think?

L1100[19:43:29] <TheKosmonaut> Scolar_Visari: you’re right

L1101[19:43:44] *** TheKosmonaut changes topic to 'Kerbal Space Program 1.3.1 official channel | Rules: http://archive.is/qxocq | PM ops as needed | ΔV map: https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png | The opinions expressed here are those of the authors and do not reflect those of SQUAD | Kosmo is a dummy'

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L1104[19:44:46] <Scolar_Visari> Now that's just cruel and unusual.

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L1106[19:46:13] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut: Also, that picture is wrong. "Thalmor" refers to the governing council of the Aldmeri Dominion. Altmer would be the species name.

L1107[19:46:38] <TheKosmonaut> Nerd

L1108[19:47:21] <JCB> ....

L1109[19:47:52] <Scolar_Visari> Calling the Altmer the Thalmor would be like calling all Germans Nazis, which is particularly relevant given that the Thalmor are fantasy Nazis.

L1110[19:50:12] <Scolar_Visari> See! http://i.imgur.com/cwEwz.jpg

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L1112[19:56:02] <JCB> beh......?

L1113[19:56:15] <JCB> ponder: record, edit and post ksp video.. or just go live stream'n it?

L1114[19:57:12] <Scolar_Visari> Edit them with outrageous CGI.

L1115[19:57:13] <UmbralRaptor> ;choose make a ksp video|livestream ksp

L1116[19:57:13] <kmath> UmbralRaptor: make a ksp video

L1117[19:57:26] <TheKosmonaut> What a bunch of nerds Scolar_Visari

L1118[19:57:30] <UmbralRaptor> The bot has spoken.

L1119[19:57:34] * TheKosmonaut plays more space rocket science game

L1120[19:57:57] * UmbralRaptor casts soul trap, and then repeatedly stabs TheKosmonaut.

L1121[19:59:08] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: But do you have a Black Soul Gem!?

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L1123[19:59:41] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: will a Star of Azura do?

L1124[20:00:10] <Scolar_Visari> Only if it's been, um, "fixed".

L1125[20:00:25] * Scolar_Visari really liked sticking it to a Daedra Prince.

L1126[20:00:28] <JCB> ... isn't ksp just bunch of cgi anyways?

L1127[20:00:44] <UmbralRaptor> JCB: technically, yes.

L1128[20:01:12] <JCB> heh.. that case, anything further I'm unable to do

L1129[20:01:23] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: I was thinking post production shenanigans put in to pretend there were new features.

L1130[20:01:56] <JCB> most I can do is text....

L1131[20:01:58] <UmbralRaptor> Scolar_Visari: are you storing daedra inside their own artifacts?

L1132[20:01:58] <Scolar_Visari> Like functioning wormholes or more colorful explosions. That'd be easy, I think, with a few Photoshop effects.

L1133[20:02:21] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: If I am, I'm getting some weaksauce effects on my enchanted weapons.

L1134[20:02:34] <JCB> I could use voice but for an early video.. not sure I feel comfortable enough to speak in it

L1135[20:02:38] <UmbralRaptor> Hah

L1136[20:02:59] <Scolar_Visari> I'd just as soon condemn the Daedra to Oblivion, but then that'd just be like sending Lucifer back to Hell.

L1137[20:03:14] <Scolar_Visari> "I'll see you in Oblivion, Daedra . . . Oh wait."

L1138[20:03:31] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: Use filters to make yourself sound like Sovereign from Mass Effect.

L1139[20:06:50] <JCB> well ok.. I'll admit, I hate my voice... its more the fact of just talking period, and get a little nervous doing something hadn't done before

L1140[20:07:35] <Scolar_Visari> "The Kerbals were not the first. They did not create the KSC. They did not forge the LV-T30. They merely found them in a junkyard, the legacy of my kind."

L1141[20:11:11] <Scolar_Visari> Admittedly, I'm sincerely surprised no one's done a complete Elder Scrolls mod for Stellaris before.

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L1144[20:20:18] <ConductorCat> :3

L1145[20:24:29] * UmbralRaptor meows at ConductorCat.

L1146[20:25:19] <Scolar_Visari> However, one problem my ES mod will have is forcing a Fallen Empire spawn (in this case, the Dwemer).

L1147[20:26:38] <ConductorCat> 喵

L1148[20:27:55] <Scolar_Visari> That would require modding in a pre-scripted *playable* modded empire, though perhaps I should just leave the Dwemer as "this space under construction" for a new precursor chain?

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L1155[21:57:22] <ConductorCat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwF4xr3xtyk

L1156[21:57:22] <kmath> YouTube - GETTING RICH BY RULING THE ONLINE BLACK MARKET! - The Chemist Early Access Gameplay

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L1159[22:06:08] <Guest72479> I have an issue. I am playing the game on my mac and the framerate was fine until recently where it dropped like 75%. can anyone help me out?

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L1166[22:36:52] <JCB> dangit.. obs.. trying to update but keeps crashing

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L1169[22:50:47] <Plaid> So. I'm watching a video on Lithium Peroxide, which they said is used for CO2 scrubbers in space. So I'm curious about the CO2 scrubbers. How did they cram that much carbon into the scrubbers? I get that they get "free" recycling of O2 from it

L1170[22:54:38] <Plaid> Oh. Well aparently we don't use much oxygen by weight. We use .8kg of O2/day.

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L1172[22:55:39] <lordcirth> Yeah, most of the mass is the tanks and equipment, not the oxygen

L1173[22:56:13] <JCB> also dont' consume as much 02 while in free fall... like we do on teh ground.

L1174[22:56:26] <JCB> though it does go up a little when we become mroe active (obviously)

L1175[22:57:08] <Plaid> True. But the scale is the same. 1kg/per person, per day. 24 (3 people, 8 days) is just something you have to figure out to make happen.

L1176[22:57:38] <JCB> aren't there systems that can recycle some of that o2 back from co2?

L1177[22:57:41] <JCB> well ohter than plants

L1178[22:57:49] <Plaid> JCB: Yeah. That's what I'm talking about

L1179[22:58:33] <Plaid> Lithium Peroxide: 2 Li2O2 + 2 CO2 => 2 Li2CO3 + O2

L1180[22:59:25] <Plaid> I was wondering "How does that not totally ruin your weight budget!" Oh, we only need a kg of O2 per day. So. Not that much really

L1181[22:59:42] <JCB> my spaceshuttle book says you replace one of the two canisters every 12 hours

L1182[23:00:51] <Plaid> And even if the Li2O2 weighs 6x as much as the oxygen it produces, it's still a limit to work within

L1183[23:00:53] <JCB> not sure what the ISS uses

L1184[23:03:15] <Plaid> I'm thinking apollo era.

L1185[23:04:47] <JCB> canisters...

L1186[23:05:02] <JCB> up till apollo 13... incompatible systems...

L1187[23:05:05] <Plaid> But what were those canisters full of? How much do they way.

L1188[23:05:12] <Plaid> weigh

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L1190[23:05:36] <JCB> guessing probably a pound.. two.. they werne't big

L1191[23:06:02] <Plaid> They'd be heavier then that. Its full of a dense salt. (think of it being full of something like table salt)

L1192[23:06:32] <lordcirth> Like a water softener

L1193[23:07:35] <Plaid> Yep. I just had the daily O2 consumption off by a factor of 10 or so in my head. I look it up and see it's only a few kg... and someone points out most of what I'm used ot thinking of O2 is due to the cylinder's weight, not the gas's

L1194[23:08:03] <JCB> well its not like a solid block of the stuff.. more like what you see with filter blocks used in normal air cleaners. You need surface area more than anything for the exchange

L1195[23:08:54] <Plaid> it's probably something like table salt. Table salt isn't solid

L1196[23:08:54] <JCB> also size and weight depends on how often they had to change things... more frequent meant smaller units

L1197[23:09:15] <Plaid> I was again thinking of the raw consumables.

L1198[23:09:21] <JCB> space shuttle had two going at once.. but they were replaced in stagger times, 12 hours apart

L1199[23:09:44] <JCB> think they were about 2 feet long, 3/4 foot wide in a cylinder shape

L1200[23:10:07] <Plaid> that was for... 7 people?

L1201[23:10:21] <JCB> ok think it not be 2 feet, maybe a little shorter. they went into the floor of the mid deck

L1202[23:10:47] <JCB> average was about 5 people..

L1203[23:11:39] <Plaid> Okay. Well now I understand it a bit better.

L1204[23:12:45] <JCB> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Space_Shuttle_crews

L1205[23:12:56] <JCB> some flights light sts-71 had 10 people on board

L1206[23:15:18] <mabus> as the star destroyers hovered visibly above the planet, i couldnt help but think wow that planet must be really light for geostationary orbit to be that high

L1207[23:15:27] <mabus> that low that is

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L1209[23:18:57] <JCB> The space shuttle's operator's manual: section 2.3 Living in space: ... you use 1.8lbs of O2 per day. Five-persion crew uses 7.7lbs of n2 and 9lbs of o2 a day, normally.

L1210[23:20:25] <JCB> Lithium hydoxide and activated charcoal canisters remove the co2 in the air as well as odors. Co2 reacts with the lithium hydoxide which makes lithium carbonate and water vapor.

L1211[23:21:09] <JCB> under the shuttle mid deck is two cansters. With 4 people on board, each canister lasts 24 hours. They are changed out alternativly, every 12 hours.

L1212[23:21:30] <Supernovy> or maybe there's no orbits in star wars, ships just hover really high up.

L1213[23:24:12] <Kraaken> hey novy

L1214[23:24:30] <Supernovy> Hello.

L1215[23:24:33] <Mod9000> Hello, Supernovy

L1216[23:24:45] <JCB> ..... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyways

L1217[23:25:32] <Plaid> Why is N2 consumed? (and intresting facts)

L1218[23:26:21] <JCB> partial pressure

L1219[23:26:31] <JCB> we don't breath pure 02...

L1220[23:26:34] <Plaid> And that's a lot less then I was expecting. But unless the N2 is leaking out... it's going to stay in there

L1221[23:26:53] <JCB> think of n2 more as a filler...

L1222[23:26:57] <Plaid> the lithium hydoxide removes only Co2...

L1223[23:27:02] <Plaid> Where's the N2 going?

L1224[23:27:22] <JCB> think they meant more that we breath that much in and out.. its not actually being lost

L1225[23:27:33] <Plaid> Ah

L1226[23:28:00] <Plaid> from how it's phrased, it seems like the N2 is a consumable.

L1227[23:29:50] <JCB> it makes up a large portion of the cabin pressure...

L1228[23:30:14] <JCB> though I think it is also used to pressurize the o2 bottles

L1229[23:30:32] <JCB> oh wait.. no..

L1230[23:31:18] <JCB> I know it has o2 and h2 for fuel cells.. not sure if there is seperate tanks for the life support..

L1231[23:34:16] <JCB> ugh ok headache... so much for searching

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