OCLogs: 2017-12-22.log

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L1[00:14:26] <TheKosmonaut> https://imgur.com/A4YSU6R.jpg

L2[00:14:52] <TheKosmonaut> Lol.

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L11[01:39:07] <Plaid> Is that the payload?

L12[01:39:33] <Plaid> for the falcon heavy?

L13[01:40:10] <Gasher[work]> damn

L14[01:40:54] <tawny> oh my god he's actually doing it

L15[01:41:24] <Gasher[work]> nvm

L16[01:48:38] <Plaid> so... I wonder what the exact mission it's set for

L17[01:48:57] <Plaid> I know his primary goal is "don't damage the launch pad".

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L25[02:37:40] <phroa> "confuse the aliens"

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L36[04:05:48] <Black_Eagle> so if i attach a procedural wing to a procedural wing, how do i edit the new part?

L37[04:06:10] <Black_Eagle> right now it just locks into *whatever* it decides to lock into

L38[04:07:45] <Black_Eagle> i mean this is excatly why i hate modding my games at all

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L61[06:17:18] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-7Z7Ap-s44

L62[06:17:19] <kmath> YouTube - Night Flight Orchestra - Internal Affairs (Full Album)

L63[06:17:25] <Fluburtur> those guys make groovy music

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L68[06:30:10] <Fluburtur> I had a dream once that I needed to go to school but my headphones were broken and honestly I never panicked that hard

L69[06:32:58] <TheKosmonaut> Fluburtur: ever gone out and realize you didn’t have them but only after you’ve hit a point of no return ?

L70[06:33:05] <Fluburtur> no

L71[06:33:11] <Fluburtur> but once i forgot my backpack

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L73[06:37:55] <Fluburtur> guess I have priorities

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L78[07:02:13] <Fluburtur> I should make nice beefy engine nacelles for my canadair

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L88[07:43:08] <GlassYuri> Fluburtur, dude I once had a dream that I forgot my school bag and turned around to pick it up

L89[07:43:28] <GlassYuri> and then I COULDN'T FIND MY OWN DAMN HOUSE ANYMORE

L90[07:43:56] <Fluburtur> heh

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L92[07:45:47] <GlassYuri> ...why does it take minutes for a newly launched process to actually do anything

L93[07:46:46] <GlassYuri> I mean right now both my CPU and RAM are at their limits but it happens under normal conditions as well

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L95[08:23:01] <kuzetsa> GlassYuri: maybe you've got an I/O and/or CPU (process) scheduler which doesn't minimize latency under your workload

L96[08:24:05] <kuzetsa> MuQSS + kyber (for process and I/O respectively) work well for my 1.3ghz potato under horrible conditions (abusing things by routinely compiling random nonsense all the time for QA and CI purposes)

L97[08:24:21] <GlassYuri> I've got whatever windows uses which I guess means you're right

L98[08:24:26] <kuzetsa> ouch

L99[08:24:37] * kuzetsa burries head in the satan

L100[08:24:43] <kuzetsa> *and

L101[08:26:19] <GlassYuri> since I started doing all this RAM heavy work I've seriously considered switching

L102[08:30:15] <kuzetsa> yeah I'm doing rather extreme ram-heavy work

L103[08:30:39] <kuzetsa> needs about 4x as much physical ram as what I have

L104[08:35:51] <kuzetsa> von neumann architecture being what it is, technically I can just take a (non-trivial) performance hit and swap... but I cheat by using zram to mitigate the I/O-starved nonsense a bit :D

L105[08:43:02] <kuzetsa> either way is fine

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L110[08:54:50] <lordcirth> zram is great

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L114[09:11:28] <nick1> hi guys

L115[09:11:36] <nick1> wonder if deddly is about?

L116[09:11:47] <nick1> anyway i have a problem i wonder if any of you have the same

L117[09:12:13] <nick1> since updating ksp, seti probe parts no longer works with the new version

L118[09:12:56] <nick1> i think that means my flight assist, the one that can hold retro - pro - manourve node etc does not seem to work

L119[09:13:46] <nick1> so now i have to manually point my ship during acceleration which is tedious on a 7 min burn to Jool. anyone know any workarounds? i mean other than skilled pilots

L120[09:16:27] <nick1> anyone here guys?

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L122[09:20:38] <nick1> i have a problem i wonder if any of you have the same

L123[09:20:41] <nick1> i have a problem i wonder if any of you have the same

L124[09:25:14] <nick1> no one here?

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L126[09:32:03] <ve2dmn> nick1: no

L127[09:32:11] <ve2dmn> (not at this hour)

L128[09:32:48] <ve2dmn> I'm only 38% here. The rest of the mental process are used to try to find a solution to my headache

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L131[09:34:31] <ve2dmn> nick1: but yeah... updating ksp breaks mods. did you check the mod thread?

L132[09:40:21] <nick1> ve2dmn hi

L133[09:40:43] <nick1> when do you usually update ksp then after a new version releases? a few months?

L134[09:42:13] <ve2dmn> As soon as my mods are updated

L135[09:42:52] <ve2dmn> Since I use only about 25 mods, it usually takes a week or 2

L136[09:43:12] <Fluburtur> "only"

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L138[09:45:29] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: the major ones are KER, a few of the USI ones, ScanSAT and a few UI enhancements

L139[09:45:44] <ve2dmn> And kOS of course

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L142[09:54:14] <Fluburtur> my right shoulder hurts when I sneeze for some reason

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L151[10:11:06] <nick1> i see

L152[10:11:17] <nick1> seti probe parts is killing my fun

L153[10:11:43] <nick1> how do you retro/prograde manouvre node hold etc without seti probe parts? MJ?

L154[10:12:20] <ve2dmn> MJ, kOS and plety others

L155[10:12:41] <nick1> i need to look into it, i can only use stability assist atm

L156[10:13:03] <nick1> im assuming it is seti probe parts since it's the only mod reporting as not working with current ksp ver

L157[10:19:54] <ve2dmn> are you using ckan or doing thinga manually?

L158[10:23:52] <nick1> ckan + manual

L159[10:24:05] <nick1> some updates cause ckan to crash

L160[10:24:08] <nick1> it's a pain

L161[10:25:14] <nick1> i also have another problem, i use '2' key to open/close radiators, and when i press 2 they close as i assigned them, but then they automatically open again 10 seconds later

L162[10:25:27] <nick1> happens on all my ships with those parts it's a pain

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L164[10:26:11] <ve2dmn> weird

L165[10:27:21] <nick1> yeah

L166[10:27:52] <nick1> when i first updated the ksp game i wasn't thinking ... couldn't play it for weeks cause the mods weren't up to date

L167[10:28:42] <nick1> it was annoying but my fault, after a frustrating period i manually + ckan'd my mods up to date which left me with a few glitches and that seems to be one of them

L168[10:32:55] <JCB> hmm...

L169[10:33:19] <JCB> anyone know about the probe control point from a command pod?

L170[10:33:46] <nick1> no?

L171[10:33:57] <nick1> what do you mean?

L172[10:36:59] <JCB> normally, you have to control probes line of sight from KSC.. or through relays..

L173[10:37:28] <JCB> Though, if you have the right setup, you can control probes from a craft that is closer.

L174[10:38:08] <JCB> 3 crew command pod, you need two pilots, relay antenna (I think) and LOS...

L175[10:38:40] <JCB> though.. think early versions, you needed one of the specific probe cores and 4 crew on the craft before could command a probe from it.

L176[10:44:06] <JCB> peh.. anyways.. just wondered if anyone remembered.

L177[10:44:26] <ve2dmn> JCB: never used it, so I can't comment :/

L178[10:45:13] <JCB> ve2dmn didn' t know about it or just figured better to control from ksc?

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L180[10:56:51] <ve2dmn> JCB: I always overbuild

L181[11:05:52] <JCB> I tend to be somewhat more serious with my builds, missions... also quite a few test flights, tweeking designs..

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L187[11:39:32] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231106102693986314/393819815350894613/DSC_8107.JPG

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L195[12:19:31] <ve2dmn> back

L196[12:19:52] <ve2dmn> last few hours before I get 2 weeks off

L197[12:33:46] <UmbralRaptor> s/off/to focus on research/

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L210[13:38:49] <mrBlaQ> https://www.instagram.com/p/BdA94kVgQhU/

L211[13:39:10] <mrBlaQ> how the heck are they gonna put it into mars orbit? it sure doesn't seem to have any sort of cruise guidance/engine...

L212[13:39:41] <mrBlaQ> do ya think they'll use the second stage for that? What would be powering it through 3 months of cruise?

L213[13:46:11] <Fluburtur> probably going to be some sort of free capture

L214[13:46:16] <Fluburtur> let gravity do it

L215[13:48:06] <mrBlaQ> I'm pretty sure that'd still require some mid course correction.

L216[13:49:53] <Fluburtur> can probably hibernate then

L217[13:50:12] <Fluburtur> and they don't care about being too accurate, just about not crashing into mars

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L235[14:47:39] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.

L236[14:49:58] <UmbralRaptor> mrBlaQ: AIUI, just a distant flyby.

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L239[15:33:08] <sandbox> I'm amazed how little people are talking about star wars

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L241[15:40:02] <Fluburtur> want to avoid spoilers I guess

L242[15:44:45] <Zarthus> plenty of people are talking about star wars

L243[15:44:52] <Zarthus> ... Star Wars Battlefront 2, that is

L244[15:44:56] <Zarthus> and how it's not selling anything

L245[15:48:17] <darsie> spoilers about what?

L246[15:48:32] <darsie> ^ that?

L247[15:48:43] <darsie> Star Wars Battlefront 2

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L250[16:06:45] <UmbralRaptor> Spoilers are for aerodynamics, and Star Wars doesn't do aerodynamics, really.

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L261[17:46:04] <maltesh> Hmm. Heavens Above's Tiangong-1 predictions are getting a bit looser now that it's coming down. I'm seeing drifts of the start time of visible passes of around 200 seconds.

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L269[18:07:55] <Warrigal_> Yo.

L270[18:07:58] <Warrigal_> Time to make another SSTO.

L271[18:10:41] <Warrigal_> Let's go with tandem wings this time, that sounds fun.

L272[18:20:25] <Warrigal_> Yeah, no.

L273[18:20:28] <Warrigal_> Conventional wings, please.

L274[18:25:42] *** Leveller is now known as LevXmas

L275[18:38:16] <Warrigal_> Oh crap, FAR tells you what the stability derivatives mean when you mouse over them.

L276[18:38:40] <Warrigal_> So, my ship seems to start yawin' once it reaches about mach 0.24.

L277[18:40:24] <Warrigal_> I notice that it'll happily give me stability information for mach 200.

L278[18:44:01] <Warrigal_> I dunno, the stability derivatives for yaw look great.

L279[18:45:24] <Blaank> anyone got the technical feed link for the launch?

L280[18:46:26] <Blaank> Not the hosted one

L281[18:49:30] <Warrigal_> Flies great once it gets into the air. It's only a problem on the ground.

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L283[18:50:31] <Blaank> Landing gear wobbles?

L284[18:51:03] <Blaank> I know some fixes to various issues with landing gear.

L285[18:51:14] <Blaank> If you give symptoms I may be able to help you fix it.

L286[18:51:30] <Blaank> Biggest one is don't ever have landing gear angled. You always want them straight up and down.

L287[18:51:56] <Blaank> Angles cause funky stuff with the springs that creates a positive feedback loop yawing.

L288[18:52:08] <Blaank> left-right-left-right-crash

L289[18:52:33] <Warrigal_> It actually flies really well without any control input at all.

L290[18:52:45] <Warrigal_> Right up until making a descent into the ocean at 200,000 fpm.

L291[18:53:07] <Blaank> Other thing is you want to force the craft off the ground instead of letting it autorotate. Landing gear get finicky when under light load such as when starting to lift off.

L292[18:53:37] <Blaank> I like how the Shuttle has shorter front gear to create loads of downforce after landing.

L293[18:54:21] <Blaank> Nice design choice. Retractable landing gear, not such a great idea. I saw a Space Camp shuttle simulation crash because the pilot put the gear down and the co-pilot put them back up.

L294[18:54:51] <Blaank> They noticed it but not in time to get them down again before landing.

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L296[18:56:49] <Warrigal_> I'm trying to get a video of my problem.

L297[18:57:45] <Warrigal_> The Windows game bar recorder thing is giving me the "There's nothing to record" error.

L298[18:58:05] <Warrigal_> Which is a very confusing error message.

L299[18:59:29] <Warrigal_> What do you mean, there's nothing to record? Record *my screen*, please.

L300[19:02:44] <Warrigal_> This *used* to work, I'm sure.

L301[19:02:58] <Warrigal_> I'll try rebooting.

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L304[19:03:35] <Blaank> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdjCwo6d3Q it begins. Is there a link to the techincal webcast anywhere?

L305[19:03:35] <kmath> YouTube - Iridium-4 Webcast

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L307[19:13:19] <NolanSyKinsley> Webcast just started

L308[19:13:28] <Blaank> Is there a technical webcast?

L309[19:13:40] <Blaank> I like those more cause I get to listen to controllers talking about stuff.

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L311[19:14:32] <NolanSyKinsley> No technical

L312[19:14:50] <NolanSyKinsley> Also, seems like they aren't going for a first stage recovery, or at least it was not listed on the timeline

L313[19:15:25] <Blaank> They are chucking it

L314[19:15:58] <Blaank> They can't remove the grid fins easily?

L315[19:16:02] <Blaank> Or they use them for targeting the re-entry?

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L317[19:19:38] <Warrigal_> Success! The recorder doodad started working when I rebooted.

L318[19:19:48] <umaxtu> Sounds like they are doing a water landing for some reason

L319[19:19:55] <Warrigal_> Nyow... is there some nice quick video sharing site?

L320[19:19:57] <Blaank> Water ditche or landing?

L321[19:20:08] <Blaank> Lt Rocket, you ain't got no legs.

L322[19:20:11] <JCB> one chill rocket

L323[19:20:44] <Blaank> If they have the fuel to practice a landing then they have the fuel to actually land it.

L324[19:20:46] <JCB> ugh.. 13 dislikes already.. why..?

L325[19:20:58] <Blaank> 14

L326[19:21:09] <JCB> .. thats like 1 dislike a minute..

L327[19:21:24] <Blaank> 1 second launch window.

L328[19:21:26] <Blaank> Wow.

L329[19:21:35] <JCB> geo stationary I'm guessing?

L330[19:21:42] <Blaank> Not a clue

L331[19:21:47] <Blaank> Iridium sats

L332[19:21:50] <Blaank> 15 dislikes

L333[19:22:22] <JCB> gps..

L334[19:22:34] <JCB> think... but ya gps needs precise orbits

L335[19:23:06] <Warrigal_> My landing gear seems to be straight as an arrow. It's just that there's a tiny yaw which, for whatever reason, turns into a huge yaw.

L336[19:23:21] <Warrigal_> I mean, maybe it's related to the gear somehow.

L337[19:24:58] <JCB> hmm... pic of craft?

L338[19:25:51] <Blaank> Need an ass shot.

L339[19:26:07] <Blaank> send pics ;)

L340[19:26:49] <Warrigal_> Ass pending...

L341[19:26:58] <JCB> it coudl be a number of things.. pictures tell quicker than describing.

L342[19:27:23] <Blaank> Butt shot so we can see width, then side shot with CoM

L343[19:29:08] <Blaank> Some terrible camera shots.

L344[19:29:24] <JCB> I know some placements on the gear, specifically on angled surfaces used to cause problems

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L346[19:29:49] <Blaank> Handheld cameras

L347[19:30:03] <Blaank> srsl

L348[19:30:16] <Blaank> They had a freaking telescope watching the CRS launch

L349[19:30:28] <Blaank> Rock solid views for 2 minutes.

L350[19:30:39] <Blaank> Oh, they are doing boostback

L351[19:30:45] <Warrigal_> Ass shot: https://i.imgur.com/NqoamSS.jpg

L352[19:31:03] <JCB> lol.. that second stage blased the booster pretty good

L353[19:31:43] <Blaank> I wonder how much each of those cameras on the second stage cost.

L354[19:32:03] <Warrigal_> Side shot with CoM: https://i.imgur.com/59plM5Q.jpg

L355[19:32:18] <JCB> probably not much... don't forget it also needs transmitter and power bus connections as well

L356[19:32:26] <JCB> atennea..

L357[19:32:34] <Blaank> Are the gear mounted to the body or the wings?

L358[19:32:40] <Warrigal_> The body.

L359[19:32:55] <JCB> I remember early days of car racing, camera gear used to be pretty big

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L362[19:33:21] <JCB> hmm...

L363[19:33:45] <JCB> warrigal is it yawing on the ground or after you getinto flight?

L364[19:33:50] <Warrigal_> On the ground.

L365[19:34:05] <Warrigal_> Once I'm in the air, there seems to be no problem.

L366[19:34:12] <Blaank> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/900022878180917823/6E409F57CBF6FFE8905EC993E7FB148814D2EE21/ I'd recommend this build instead. Wing strakes hold fuel and reduce drag. Elevron 1 have faster reaction times than tail fins.

L367[19:34:42] <Blaank> You can pull the landing gear off and re place them.

L368[19:34:48] <Blaank> It might be finicky

L369[19:34:56] <JCB> warrigal a checklist of things if you will... 1) main gear steering is off, 2) bump up spring and dampners slightly on main gear, 3) try to see if widing your stance on the main gear helps

L370[19:35:03] <Blaank> You can put the rear gear further toward the back.

L371[19:35:19] <Blaank> Reduce friction control on front gear to zero.

L372[19:35:27] <JCB> I find that narrow stance and long gears that put the plane high off the ground causes some minor issues

L373[19:35:28] <Blaank> Things to try. No idea if it will help.

L374[19:35:36] <Warrigal_> Delta wings, very low aspect ratio, elevons... Blaank, I don't see your vertical stabilizer.

L375[19:35:37] <JCB> you don't need to zero friction on main gear

L376[19:35:50] <JCB> you want some friction.. helps steer.. a little.

L377[19:36:03] <Blaank> 2x elevron 1 vertical. 2x horizontal.

L378[19:36:15] <Blaank> They make a + shape

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L380[19:36:29] <JCB> Blaank cute little ship.. did similar stuff myself

L381[19:36:37] <Blaank> It handles pretty well.

L382[19:36:57] <JCB> the fact that rapiers don't make power though.. i generally shut gyro off till I get in space and engines off

L383[19:37:01] <Blaank> It's a spaceplane trainer.

L384[19:37:03] <JCB> see you have rtgs though

L385[19:37:19] <JCB> first stage splashed

L386[19:37:31] <Blaank> Did it try to make a landing or did they crash it?

L387[19:37:37] <JCB> just crashed it

L388[19:37:43] <JCB> no attempt

L389[19:37:45] <Blaank> Why not take off the grid fins?

L390[19:38:08] <JCB> costs money to remove? There is a lot behind those things

L391[19:38:14] <Warrigal_> Blaank: why the low aspect ratio?

L392[19:38:20] <Warrigal_> I don't know any of the motivations behind aspect ratio.

L393[19:38:23] <JCB> could also be balancing

L394[19:38:24] <Blaank> low aspect ratio of what?

L395[19:38:48] <JCB> low aspect rastion: think glider wings

L396[19:38:53] <JCB> ratio.. ugh sorry

L397[19:39:15] <Blaank> I think the wing strakes have less drag than small delta wings.

L398[19:39:19] <Blaank> I don't know.

L399[19:39:27] <Blaank> They also hold LF for the air ascent.

L400[19:39:43] <JCB> I've used both strakes and form of wings.. helps a bit

L401[19:40:41] <JCB> small craft needs a little bit of wings for lift..

L402[19:40:44] <Warrigal_> Blaank: your wings.

L403[19:41:08] <Blaank> I haven't tested but I think they are lower drag than small delta wings.

L404[19:41:21] <Blaank> And they hold LF so that's a bonus.

L405[19:41:32] <JCB> his wings are considered high aspect... long and stubby.. they work as good, in real life, don't forget you have a shock cone from teh front of the aircrarft to worry about at high speeds

L406[19:42:36] <Warrigal_> Doesn't high aspect ratio mean like a glider? Long span, short chord?

L407[19:42:42] <JCB> no

L408[19:42:47] <taniwha> it does

L409[19:43:00] <JCB> this helps

L410[19:43:01] <JCB> https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/system/images/images/000/000/704/embed/FLT_SCI_ART_04_Wing_aspect_ratio_LowToHighRatios.jpg?1452416335

L411[19:43:13] <taniwha> though gliders are pretty extreme

L412[19:43:13] <JCB> sorry I had it backwards... derp

L413[19:43:59] <JCB> high speeds, you want to keep your wings within the shock area created by the point of the craft...

L414[19:44:23] <JCB> gliders don't have that issue, wide wings helps with lift in slow air speeds

L415[19:45:07] <JCB> doubt ksp models wing tip vortices.. but here: http://www.boldmethod.com/images/learn-to-fly/aircraft-systems/how-does-aspect-ratio-affect-a-wing/drag.jpg

L416[19:45:36] <taniwha> KSP (stock) butchers aspect ratio anyway

L417[19:45:48] <Blaank> Aspect ratio does nothing in KSP.

L418[19:45:55] <Blaank> But having less wide wings I think reduces drag.

L419[19:45:57] <taniwha> (if you want sensible aspect ratio handling, you need to use FAR)

L420[19:46:24] <JCB> ugh.. super sonic glider wings... riiiiight.

L421[19:46:29] <JCB> I try to make things within reason from what I know

L422[19:46:31] <taniwha> stock auto-adjusts your aspect ratio for high lift when slow and low drag when fast

L423[19:46:50] <JCB> Warrigal any luck with the plane yet?

L424[19:47:42] <JCB> meh.. I remember when you could go faster than orbit at 69km up on just jet engines bakc in early versions.. but anyways

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L426[19:48:44] <taniwha> they're still way OPO

L427[19:48:51] <taniwha> minus one O

L428[19:49:26] <JCB> I play to have fun.. I wanna proper sim, I'd download flightsim or just go out and fly an actual plane

L429[19:50:13] <JCB> guh, if anything, I should probably get around to playing more nad making recordings.

L430[19:50:22] <Blaank> stacking all the air intakes

L431[19:50:31] <Blaank> So like 60 air intakes and 1 rapier

L432[19:53:28] <Warrigal_> I am using FAR.

L433[19:53:45] <Warrigal_> Anyway, I made the main gear wider, that didn't fix it. Now I'm changing the...

L434[19:53:54] <Warrigal_> I'm gonna change the height of the gear so that the plane is level when it's on the ground.

L435[19:54:05] <Warrigal_> So that I won't get much lift before rotation.

L436[19:54:08] <Warrigal_> Dunno if that'll help any.

L437[19:57:06] <Mathuin> SpaceX did not try to recover the first stage from tonight's launch. Anyone know why?

L438[19:59:14] <Warrigal_> Whelp, that seemed to help a decent amount!

L439[19:59:20] <Warrigal_> Now I can just rotate as soon as it starts to yaw.

L440[19:59:46] <Blaank> It's most likely they needed all the fuel for the payload.

L441[20:00:25] <Blaank> Taking landing legs off also increases payload.

L442[20:01:25] <Mathuin> They had the entry burn and the grid fans and everything, just no boats.

L443[20:01:59] <mabus> too lazy to revert to vav

L444[20:02:02] <mabus> vab

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L446[20:06:36] <Warrigal_> Man, a Rapier burns through an FL-T800 pretty quick.

L447[20:16:30] <Blaank> Lot easier if you have an extra 200 LF kicking around in the wings.

L448[20:17:12] <Blaank> 45 degree climb to 5 km then 15 degree ascent from there.

L449[20:17:26] <JCB> considering they launched out of Vandenburg and going directly south... could be combination of no barge or recovery systems, the weight of payload, launch profile itself.

L450[20:17:31] <Blaank> 80 km ap, then cicularize at around 75 km due to drag.

L451[20:17:45] <Blaank> polar orbit?

L452[20:18:08] <JCB> ya they were launching just as sun was setting

L453[20:18:35] <JCB> though.. they had 10 sats onboard.

L454[20:25:01] <darsie> They still have.

L455[20:25:15] <darsie> sat deployment imminent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtdjCwo6d3Q

L456[20:25:15] <kmath> YouTube - Iridium-4 Webcast

L457[20:25:37] <Warrigal_> Whelp. I was at 20km up, mach 5.6, and the plane was wagging in pitch pretty darn good. Felt like a period of about one second, and a range of about... 15 degrees?

L458[20:26:54] <Warrigal_> So that means bad dynamic pitch stability, yeah?

L459[20:27:15] <Warrigal_> And the most important stability derivative there seems to be Mq. Right?

L460[20:27:34] <Warrigal_> FAR says that my Mq is -0.0005 s^-1.

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L466[20:44:15] <CmdrAlaska> I cant be the only one who is wondering what happened to Spacedock? Any news?

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L468[20:47:10] <Alanonzander> end of month with lots of updates posted... probably reached bandwidth limit. (I have no news, just a guess)

L469[20:47:19] <Alanonzander> oh, he left

L470[20:47:45] <Blaank> Does the plane wiggle with SAS off?

L471[20:47:58] <Blaank> Tailplanes have a really bad habit of being slow to respond and overcompensating.

L472[20:48:08] <Blaank> Which is part of why I use elevrons isntead

L473[20:49:16] <Blaank> If it's stable with SAS off and wiggles with SAS on, it's SAS causing it.

L474[20:49:18] <Blaank> Easy test.

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L477[21:43:37] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: I heard them say we've reached Morrowind, I'm sure they'll let us go . . . Unless you're an Argonian or Khajitt.

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L479[21:52:05] * Scolar_Visari sees if paint.net is an improvement on MS paint.

L480[21:54:18] <Scolar_Visari> Also: Do Daedra dream of atronach sheep?

L481[21:55:47] <Scolar_Visari> Oooh it has a functioning magick wand! That automatically means it's good!

L482[22:08:47] <kuzetsa> OH!!!

L483[22:08:52] <kuzetsa> thanks so much

L484[22:10:05] <kuzetsa> darn :(

L485[22:10:45] <kuzetsa> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=6551 <<< looks like I'm still stuck with GIMP and other horrible choices :(

L486[22:13:45] <kuzetsa> maybe I'll try krita

L487[22:14:10] <kuzetsa> I deserve to be able to do art & graphics again - xmas gift for myself <3

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