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L17[02:13:04] <Blaank> 3.326 km/s to orbit.
I accidentally did a good one.
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L19[02:16:23] <FluffyFoxeh> hi JCB
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L21[02:33:05] <Gasher[work]> Blaank, be
careful with those decimal marks
L22[02:34:54] <Althego> depends on
country
L23[02:35:22] <Blaank> I guess 3,326 m/s
works.
L24[02:36:19] <Blaank> >night landing on
a mountainside
L25[02:36:22] <Blaank> ohcrap
L26[02:36:28] <Blaank> don't roll don't
roll don't roll
L27[02:37:05] <Althego> hehe
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L31[02:49:02] <JCB> oh.. yo
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L33[03:01:35] <Gasher[work]> Blaank, same
but about rocket during ascend
L34[03:04:36] <Blaank> I had one that did a
front flip during ascent and after the third time I considered it
normal and went with it.
L35[03:05:51] <Blaank> *giant rocket
cartwheeling through the sky* "Front flip maneuver underway.
Ascent nominal."
L36[03:07:04] <Althego> lol
L37[03:07:10] <Gasher[work]> lol
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L40[03:18:52] <Blaank> I really prefer 1.8
TWR now over 1.5 for general designs.
L41[03:19:07] <Blaank> Lets you do a much
more aggressive tipover and minimize gravity losses.
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L45[03:27:42] <kmath> YouTube - Why knights
fought snails in medieval art
L46[03:31:20] <Ezko_> Blaank: minimize
gravity losses and maximize aerodynamic losses?!
L47[03:31:41] <Blaank> Drag losses are
hardly anything compared to gravity losses.
L48[03:32:04] <Blaank> With mechjeb you can
bring up a readout. Gravity losses are usually 4-5x drag
losses
L49[03:32:15] <Blaank> If you go sideways
you don't fight gravity.
L50[03:32:17] <Ezko_> yeeah
L51[03:32:34] <Althego> aero losses are a
lot smaller in ksp than gravity lsoses
L52[03:32:38] <Ezko_> i find it hard to
judge when to start the gravity turn with high twr
L53[03:32:47] <Althego> as usual as soon as
possible
L54[03:32:48] <Blaank> Sideways hard and
fast with a pencil thin rocket.
L55[03:33:02] <Ezko_> cause i don't wanna
touch any controls except stage before 30km with gravity
turns
L56[03:33:12] <Althego> that never worked
for me
L57[03:33:15] <Blaank> You gotta slam that
thing over.
L58[03:33:23] <Blaank> If you aren't on
fire, you are doing it wrong.
L59[03:33:37] <Althego> a smooth controlled
bank towards east all the way up to 40-45
L60[03:33:38] <Althego> km
L61[03:34:28] <Ezko_> i usually use smart
ass surface thing where you can select heading, pitch and
roll
L62[03:34:37] <Ezko_> can't remember what
the button says but top right on surface mode
L63[03:34:53] <Ezko_> start clicking pitch
to around 82 degrees at 20-40m/s depending on twr
L64[03:35:08] <Ezko_> then hit surface
velocity + and stop doing anything
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L70[04:05:09] <kmath> YouTube - Why this
awful sounding album is a masterpiece
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L72[04:22:47] <Blaank> >keep forgetting
to deploy solars and ending up with multiple dead sats
L73[04:23:00] <Blaank> That's it. I'm
having fixed panels no matter what
L74[04:28:05] <Blaank> Can KSP run in dual
monitor mode?
L75[04:28:18] <Blaank> I'd like a second
screen for MJ and KER readouts.
L76[04:30:24] <Althego> most of the time
you dont need deployable panels at all
L77[04:30:49] <Gasher[work]> made an almost
SSTO
L78[04:31:31] <Gasher[work]> if it has a
small satellite it could go to suborbital and drop it so that it
would need just a few hundred m/s to orbit
L79[04:31:41] <Gasher[work]> also no
wings
L80[04:32:40] <Blaank> I'm not sure exactly
how helpful wings are. You can go sideways with not much steering
loss.
L81[04:32:57] <Gasher[work]> hm, looks like
it slides down the hill
L82[04:37:18] <Gasher[work]> yeah it
slides
L83[04:37:27] <Gasher[work]> standing on
engines
L84[04:37:40] <Gasher[work]> and of course
it is night so the screeshots look awful
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L88[04:44:43] <Blaank> I'd recommend a
FL-T800 and terrier as the last stage.
L89[04:44:57] <Blaank> Or is that single
stage?
L90[04:46:33] <Gasher[work]> single
stage
L91[04:46:58] <Gasher[work]> 3300-something
m\s with a small sat inside
L92[04:47:16] <Blaank> In that case use a
skipper and jumbo 64 if you got it. I forget the payload for
it.
L93[04:47:54] <Blaank> 2.5 meter payload
bay up top with the parachutes and assorted junk in it.
L94[04:48:01] <Blaank> Reduces drag a
lot
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L98[04:48:34] <Blaank> Also elevron 1 is
usually enough to keep any craft stable and the response time for
them is a lot faster than larger tailfins so you don't get the
cascade wobble going on.
L99[04:48:58] <Blaank> Putting chutes in a
payload bay will reduce drag and increase stability a lot.
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L101[04:52:12] <Gasher[work]> well,
skipper is indeed better
L102[04:57:39] <Blaank> Elevron 1 I think
is cheaper and is also lower mass so once you do get into space,
you are hauling less dead weight.
L103[05:01:13] *
Blaank forgot to deploy the antennae.
L104[05:01:19] <Blaank> FIXED
ANTENNAE
L105[05:01:47] <Blaank> All craft will now
have fixed antannae and fixed solar panels.
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L107[05:04:29] <Althego> you can open the,
in the editor. then put the whole thing in a fairing and there you
go
L108[05:05:30] <Blaank> Fairings pay for
their lost dV in reduced drag losses on launch.
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L111[05:07:13] <Blaank> payload bays are
the same story
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L117[05:58:17] <Blaank> Do you guys do
pre-emptive bans on spambots?
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L120[06:19:58] <Althego> hehe
L121[06:20:41] <Althego> appropriate
handling of flat erthers
L122[06:32:53] <Fluburtur> scp quote of
the day "How to redesign the internal combustion engine to run
on human blood, using only pre-existing parts. (Note: Full redesign
takes four (4) hours, and runs at higher efficiency than
gasoline.)"
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L128[07:07:25] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank: if I
see one in another channel I do. If they’re especially
offensive.
L129[07:07:43] <Blaank> One hit
#factorio
L130[07:08:07] <Blaank> racial slurs,
calls to raid, tells to everyone.
L131[07:08:15] <TheKosmonaut> Ah.
L132[07:08:23] <TheKosmonaut> Those
usually get nabbed by the network
L133[07:08:34] <Blaank> I figure it's
making rounds on the network but didn't see it show up here.
L134[07:08:39] <TheKosmonaut> Those are
hard to preempt too
L135[07:08:56] <TheKosmonaut> What we need
are precognitives
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L139[07:13:22] <Blaank> I hate it when my
rocket picks up a case of wiggelexplosions
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L141[07:23:23] <Fluburtur> I never cut a
wing with no sweep or taper so I guess this one should be very
easy
L142[07:23:30] <Fluburtur> same cut speed
on both ends
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L144[07:34:07] <Fluburtur> "My middle
school history teacher stopped teaching Morse code because kids
were using it to cheat on tests by blinking answers to each
other."
L145[07:42:03] <Blaank> >Return 10 tons
of ore from the surface of the Sun to Kerbin.
L146[07:42:45] <Alanonzander> Now that is
a hot contract :P
L147[07:44:21] <Gasher[work]> lol
L148[07:45:14] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: well...
not sure if win :D
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L154[08:17:27] <Althego> lol
blinking
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L158[08:27:10] <GlassYuri> why is it that
when leaving school and coming home there's these two points at
which tiredom spontaneously disappears
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L166[08:59:11] <Fluburtur> my hot glue gun
is catching on fire again
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L170[09:06:44] <Althego> lol
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L175[09:27:18] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: still
the stinky glue?
L176[09:27:45] <Fluburtur> yeah but it's
the heat dial thing that catvhes fire
L177[09:27:50] <Fluburtur> there is a bad
contact in there
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L186[09:49:01] <Guest87275> hi ho
L187[09:49:17] <Guest87275> hows it
going
L188[09:49:51] <ve2dmn> 'meh'
L189[09:50:23] <Guest87275> want to help
me solve problem?
L190[09:50:34] <ve2dmn> as in, I will soon
be off for 2 weeks when I can do nothing but eat and play video
games (Yay!)
L191[09:50:44] <ve2dmn> but right now,
it's headache and work
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L193[09:51:28] <ve2dmn> Guest87275: I do
have a problem you can help me with... can you write a proper
launch algorithm in kOS to minimize dV ?
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L195[09:51:44] <Guest87275> ahhh
L196[09:52:01] <ve2dmn> My code is crap,
but it works... sort of...
L197[09:52:15] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn:
calculus of variations?
L198[09:52:35] <Guest87275> i need help
finding a fuel grain that is efffiecient
L199[09:52:59] *
UmbralRaptor ignores that the non-analytic nature of the problem
may make things harder.
L200[09:53:17] <UmbralRaptor> guest: some
srb mid?
L201[09:53:22] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: I'm
thinking of re-writing the complete code to estimate TWR, lost due
to air resistance, and try to guesstimate if i'm gonna make into
orbit
L202[09:53:35] <Fluburtur> 60-40% alcohol
and water, use liquid oxygen as oxydiser
L203[09:53:44] <Guest87275> why thank
you
L204[09:54:24] <Guest87275> the oxidiser
is made of a blend of nitrous oxide
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L206[09:54:46] <Fluburtur> works too
L207[09:55:25] <Fluburtur> what is it
for?
L208[09:56:14] <Guest87275>
engineering
L209[09:56:29] <Fluburtur> alright
L210[09:56:40] <Fluburtur> what I gave you
is more or less the recipe used in the V2 rocket
L211[09:56:58] <Fluburtur> you can also
spray that in the intake of engine to augment power for a short
while
L212[09:58:43] <Guest87275> im tasked with
finding a fuel gain that can be used in the rockets we are
launching now while being more efficient
L213[09:59:01] <Fluburtur> well that is
more complicated
L214[09:59:12] <Guest87275> yeah
L215[09:59:13] <Fluburtur> the most
efficient now is hydrogen and oxygen
L216[09:59:23] <Fluburtur> but you need
cryogenic stuff and it's more complicated
L217[09:59:46] <Fluburtur> others can
probably help you better
L218[09:59:50] <Guest87275> this sounds
like a boatload of fun
L219[09:59:59] <Guest87275> thx for the
help anyway
L220[10:01:10] <ve2dmn> There are 'other'
more efficient fuel... but they are considered 'extremely toxic'
and 'evil'
L221[10:02:32] <umaxtu> ve2dmn: you
talking Orion?
L222[10:02:34] <RandomJeb> this sounds
like it depends on exactly what rockets you are launching now, like
I'm not sure I'd just pump a hydrolox rocket full of hypergolics
and see what happen :P
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L224[10:03:26] <ve2dmn> umaxtu: don't
remember the name, but it's something that was very corrosive and
highly dangerous. Everyone stopped using it decades ago
L225[10:03:39] <ve2dmn> Probably something
based on F
L226[10:03:51] <RandomJeb>
hydrazine?
L228[10:04:36] <ve2dmn> at least... I
think that was it
L229[10:05:23] <UmbralRaptor> fluorolox
can get you marginal advantages over regular lox, though I'm not
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L254[12:04:44] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: nice
work!
L255[12:04:50] <Fluburtur> thanks
L256[12:04:57] <Fluburtur> my room is an
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L258[12:05:53] <Fluburtur> I wanted a
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L268[12:21:02] <mib_d26bo4> help
L269[12:22:30] <kubi> less
L270[12:23:59] <UmbralRaptor> mib_d26bo4:
please be more specific?
L271[12:24:01] <APlayer> mib_d26bo4: It
would be nice if you were a tad more specific regarding your
request for help :P
L272[12:24:07] <APlayer> Ninja'd
L273[12:25:54] <Althego> don't panic
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L275[12:29:52] <sandbox> Thank you for
helping us help you help us all.
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L277[12:30:53] *
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L278[12:31:23] <ve2dmn> That sounds like
my days in tech support
L279[12:31:32] *
UmbralRaptor sells the organs of sandbox and everyone in their
hometown to partially offset equipment costs.
L280[12:31:33] <APlayer> In case of panic:
Integrity of the channel and personal safety not guaranteed,
warranty void
L281[12:31:40] <ve2dmn> "Server no
work. Please do the needfull"
L282[12:32:50] <ve2dmn> Reason: they had
forgotten to renew their DNS
L283[12:33:16] <UmbralRaptor> uh
L284[12:41:00] <ve2dmn> sandbox:
"Space? Space! Spaaaaaaaaaace!"
L285[12:42:44] *
UmbralRaptor was actually mildly disappointed at the ending of
Portal 2. Mainly because I already had seen the phrase "your
precious moon" and had been reading Blame!.
L286[12:46:41] <ve2dmn> " Oh, hi. So,
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L298[13:33:43] <Mathuin> Blaank: thank you
for the help with mining. I have the world's most expensive and
inefficient mining station to play with on Kerbin, and this is
probably what it'll take for me to go KIS/KAS.
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L304[14:04:51] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L314[15:09:41] <ve2dmn> UmbralRaptor: let
me know what you think if you buy it
L315[15:10:04] <UmbralRaptor> ve2dmn: it's
free on gog right now.
L316[15:10:33] <ve2dmn> hum... I was
thinking getting it for the switch or something... but free is hard
to say no to
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L319[15:31:08] <SnoopJeDi> stamps to
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L328[16:30:02] <Fluburtur> how much damage
would a space probe do tot he earth if it was to collide while
going at like 5.2c?
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L330[16:32:02] <UmbralRaptor> uh
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L332[16:32:39] <UmbralRaptor> I'm going to
assume that the probe has imaginary rest mass, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L333[16:34:48] <Fluburtur> well the mass
of the probe in question isn't specified so I guess between 2 and 5
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L336[16:35:29] <Fluburtur> ;wa kinetic
energy of 5 tons at 5.2c
L337[16:35:36] <kmath> Fluburtur:
relativistic kinetic energy-> , mass->5 sh tn (short tons),
velocity->5.2 c (speed of light)(speed exceeds speed of
light)
L338[16:35:54] <Fluburtur> you weak
calculator
L339[16:36:00] <Fluburtur> math above c
should be easy
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L343[16:40:48] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur:
uhm.
L344[16:40:53] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: you
know...
L345[16:41:08] <Mat2ch> it has 5.2 times
infinite energy
L346[16:41:45] <Fluburtur> lies
L347[16:42:07] <Fluburtur> tbh I guess it
would just pass straight through and do nothing
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L349[16:44:03] <Mat2ch> No, not lies,
that's what the theory of relativity says
L350[16:44:33] <Fluburtur> it's
wrong
L351[16:45:26] <UmbralRaptor> ;c
1/sqrt(1-5.2^2)
L352[16:45:26] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
Numerical argument is out of domain - "sqrt"
L353[16:45:42] <UmbralRaptor> ^there's
your Lorentz factor.
L354[16:46:42] <UmbralRaptor>
~0.488i
L355[16:47:32] <UmbralRaptor> So your
kinetic energy is (0.488i - 1)*mc²
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L360[16:54:05] <Fluburtur> well, time to
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L362[17:08:44] <Mathuin> Okay, KIS looks
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L371[18:12:55] <Mathuin> WTB a ballistic
autopilot, like MJ's landing guidance but including ascent.
L372[18:13:08] <Mathuin> Good for hops.
TCA does something like it but I've never really gotten it to
work.
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L407[21:17:21] <JCB> hmm... little mun
lander managed to design that fits into a 2.5m service bay..
L409[21:17:39] <JCB> oh woops
L412[21:18:01] <JCB> first was some cute
little doggo candy making thing I spotted on imgur while making
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L433[22:55:28] <lordcirth> JCB, pic
removed?
L434[23:03:33] ***
StCypher is now known as n3cr0manc3r
L435[23:09:40] <JCB> lordcirth ya... no
one responded.. then I had to run out, wasn't sure when I'd be
back
L436[23:10:42] <lordcirth> why bother
removing tho? Also IRC is usually lurkers
L437[23:10:49] <JCB> mun lander I came up
with for fitting into the 2.5m service bay.. testing showed it had
at least 18pts fuel left over (oscar tank) after getting back to
orbit.
L440[23:11:34] <JCB> I d'nt have an
offical spot on imgur... it was just a temp posting, showing to
someone through PM.. just thought to share here.
L441[23:15:42] <Supernovy> I kinda want to
make a manned rover that fits in the 2.5m service bay
L442[23:16:14] <Supernovy> But it'd be
kinda difficult to have that close to the ground and have the
descent engine(s) there too
L443[23:18:03] <JCB> I did a design where
the lander had the bay on the bottom. pots on the sides with legs
and engines. It was more just a concept
L444[23:18:21] <JCB> eh.. pots.. ->
pods
L445[23:19:03] <JCB> I nicked named it
Kanga... though now thinking about it, service bay sorta like a
'pouch' on the bottom
L446[23:28:06] <Supernovy> radial engine
mounts, yeah.
L447[23:28:27] <Supernovy> or fuel mounts.
Or put the fuel inside, because the rover isn't going to take up
the entire space
L448[23:28:40] <Supernovy> well it might,
the doors open pretty wide.
L449[23:29:03] <JCB> wide, flat
rover
L450[23:29:56] <JCB> I tried some other
ideas, but the adaptor plates don't exactly land on the ground too
well.. ended up going through
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