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L1[00:00:10] <Blaank> What not to do is very easy to pick up. Just remember what doesn't work.
L2[00:01:00] <Blaank> I really want this dinky SSTO to work.
L3[00:01:05] <Blaank> But the performance keeps getting worse.
L4[00:01:45] <Blaank> I had a thing that can get 3 tons to LKO but it's super unstable on reentry and likes to flip out. If aero destruction were on, it would have been shredded.
L5[00:06:42] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha: You have the Vive right?
L6[00:06:56] <taniwha> yeah
L7[00:07:00] <TheKosmonaut> Do the hand controls vibrate or have any sort of feedback?
L8[00:07:06] <taniwha> vibrate
L9[00:07:13] <Althego> hehe stall warning? :)
L10[00:07:57] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha: Neat.. I just found out people have made Fallout 4 and Skyrim VR compatible
L11[00:08:16] <TheKosmonaut> Made me realize that it'd be strange to fire a gun in that game or swing a sword only to have no vibration
L12[00:09:36] <Gasher[work]> i have seen what they did with skyrim vr and im not impressed
L13[00:10:49] <Blaank> Both of them are extremly buggy and broken.
L14[00:10:58] <Blaank> You can steal stuff in cases by sticking your hand through the lid.
L15[00:13:28] <Blaank> 9,420 for an expendable 3 ton to orbit
L16[00:13:37] <Blaank> I'm pretty sure my SSTO costs more than that in fuel.
L17[00:13:46] <Althego> lol
L18[00:13:50] <Althego> fuel is relatively cheap
L19[00:14:10] <Althego> and if you land at the space center you recover the ship cost
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L21[00:18:06] <Blaank> This thing can barely get 3 tons up to LKO
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L24[00:18:14] <Blaank> Costs 116k
L25[00:18:43] <Blaank> Like 2k in fuel
L26[00:25:39] <Althego> what tech level is this?
L27[00:28:37] <Blaank> sandbox
L28[00:29:27] <Blaank> I am unable to make good SSTOs
L29[00:31:44] <Althego> unstable on reentry.. one way to avoid that is to put the payload bay around the com
L30[00:32:02] <Althego> so whatever the mass it doesnt upset its positin too much
L31[00:35:45] <Blaank> 0.84 TWR. That's nice.
L32[00:36:08] <Blaank> I want to watch someone good at SSTOs playing withe the MK2 and MK3 stockalike expansions.
L33[00:36:33] <taniwha> Blaank: have you seen my SSTO plane?
L34[00:36:45] <Blaank> I've seen a few
L35[00:36:53] <taniwha> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99pJQKyFi6k
L36[00:36:53] <kmath> YouTube - Tobineko to Orbit
L37[00:38:12] <Blaank> It's just so absurdly easy to screw up an SSTO design.
L38[00:40:11] <Althego> best sstos have under 0.5 twr on takeoff
L39[00:41:20] <Blaank> doesn't stock KSP add drag for every wing part?
L40[00:41:34] <Blaank> same surface area and tons more drag if it's more pieces?
L41[00:42:12] <Blaank> I spent 5 hours and got something that gets 3 tons to LKO and then blows up on reentry
L42[00:42:53] <Blaank> vs slapping together a 7 part thing in one minute that does the same and hardly costs anything either.
L43[00:43:25] <Blaank> kickback and throw a terrier and FL-T800 on it
L44[00:45:11] <Althego> rockets are lot easier than planes. expendable vehicles are lot easier than sstos
L45[00:45:32] <Althego> combine and find that an ssto spaceplane is hard to do een in stock ksp
L46[00:45:59] <Gasher[work]> Blaank, It used to be like this a few updates ago
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L48[00:50:23] <Blaank> I can't even get a plane to take off without crashing.
L49[00:50:32] <Blaank> Landing gear flipping out and it rocks left and right.
L50[00:50:40] <Blaank> rolls over and explodes.
L51[00:55:03] <Gasher[work]> with the new wheel system you should watch for wheel load and change damping and spring strengh
L52[00:59:02] <Blaank> >rapier has no alternator
L53[00:59:07] <Blaank> Well I'm dead
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L55[01:01:43] <Blaank> ded
L56[01:01:52] <Blaank> overheated mk1 inline cockpit
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L62[01:19:53] <Althego> the mk1 parts easily overheat if you dont slow down quickly
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L64[01:21:55] <Althego> Blaank: here, i put this together, it has 3t payload, handles everything easily http://warpology.com/k/Easy%20SSTO.craft
L65[01:23:18] <Althego> it is not perfect of course, maybe it ha a bit much oxidizer
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L69[01:30:57] <Althego> lol joolshine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omtg5Kwv6Oc
L70[01:30:57] <kmath> YouTube - Jeb's Joolshine Adventure...
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L77[01:46:26] <Blaank> amazing.
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L79[01:51:32] <Althego> cupcake landers lost a lot of appeal without the cupcake landers (because of atmo and engine changes)
L80[01:52:48] <Mathuin> EXPN cupcake lander
L81[01:53:31] <tawny> cupcake landers?
L82[01:53:32] <KrazyKrl> Cupcake lander with one "Trogdor Arm"
L83[01:55:21] <Althego> the channel i linked from preciously
L84[01:55:37] <Althego> still makes cinematic videos. but it is just not the same
L85[01:55:45] <Mathuin> Ah, the channel people, saw that.
L86[01:55:52] <Mathuin> Cinematic, musical, but that's enough for me.
L87[01:58:44] <Althego> here, an older video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE2wruNgce4
L88[01:58:44] <kmath> YouTube - Bulldog SSTO - Duna Express/K-Prize Entry
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L90[01:58:54] <Althego> the ships were typically shaped like this
L91[01:58:59] <Althego> lot of clipping
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L96[02:09:53] <Althego> i think i go watch sw
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L117[02:52:37] <Althego> http://kep.cdn.indexvas.hu/1/0/1903/19036/190360/19036067_62cf4efbb9ea2126fa12fa0bb070f1e9_x.jpg
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L126[04:13:06] <Blaank> >went afk while in orbit for 5 hours
L127[04:13:21] <Blaank> wait, no, I just thought I did
L128[04:13:35] <Blaank> That was when I blew up last. I came back to a death screen and thought I died afk.
L129[04:21:41] <Blaank> Is there any way to keep a mk1 cockpit from blowing up during reentry?
L130[04:28:03] <sandbox> I've never had any difficulty
L131[04:28:25] <Blaank> shock cone > mk 1 inline cockpit
L132[04:28:27] <Blaank> It blows up
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L138[05:17:45] <Blaank> ded on landing.
L139[05:18:04] <Blaank> made it down by maintianing 30 degree angle of attack and burning hard to deorbit
L140[05:18:20] <Blaank> bounced off a rock and cartwheeled before rollout.
L141[05:20:46] <bees> Blaank: everything is supereasy on reentry if you have a very low ballistic coefficient
L142[05:21:07] <Blaank> Depends on the craft
L143[05:21:12] <bees> Blaank: in case of mk1 cockpit, something like mk1 + small tank + small engine + laaaaarge wings
L144[05:21:47] <Blaank> Yeah, i'm using the big strakes, mk1 cockpit, shock cone intake, rapier, 4 elevron 1.
L145[05:22:08] <Blaank> I have a liquid fuel fuselage that is going unused but I fear removing it will destroy the weight balance.
L146[05:22:14] <Blaank> And FL-T800
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L149[05:36:08] <transitbiker> bwoop
L150[05:36:27] <transitbiker> i think i just made the fastest possible droppervator in minecraft
L151[05:49:41] <Blaank> a what
L152[05:51:08] <transitbiker> its a column of droppers that activate in sequence, transporting items up or down, like an elevator
L153[05:51:27] <transitbiker> hence droppervator
L154[05:51:49] <transitbiker> bbl
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L162[06:33:44] <Blaank> 3.137 km/s expended to orbit. 535 m/s gravity losses. 519 m/s drag losses. SSTO, 1km/s dV remaining. https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/900022878180917823/6E409F57CBF6FFE8905EC993E7FB148814D2EE21/
L163[06:33:52] <Blaank> nice
L164[06:37:05] <Mat2ch> That's a pretty SSTO you have there :)
L165[06:37:24] <Blaank> Nearly roasted myself coming in at 40km at 3km/s
L166[06:37:34] <Blaank> Came a few % from popping the crew cabin
L167[06:40:49] <Blaank> holding 45 degrees AoA when nearly empty tanks is very stable.
L168[06:41:05] <Blaank> Low mass, good drag when put fat side on.
L169[06:41:17] <Blaank> Stable throughout fuel drain.
L170[06:42:05] <Blaank> I need to get kerbinside so I have more landing strips. It's going to crash on landing attempt. Stalls at about 100m/s
L171[06:45:46] <Fluburtur> time to go get a job again
L172[06:46:04] <Fluburtur> at the local hardware store, im so overqualified they can't say no
L173[06:49:46] <Blaank> Flew into a hill
L174[06:50:12] <Blaank> Terrain warning. Pull up. Pull up. *crater*
L175[06:52:41] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/JCL0_TTsHzo?t=147
L176[06:52:42] <kmath> YouTube - The awesome Canadair CL 215 T
L177[06:53:07] <Fluburtur> they make it look easy
L178[06:53:25] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: have fun there
L179[06:54:00] <Mat2ch> Blaank: that's why I hate KSP. We need stock hinges!
L180[06:54:16] <Blaank> hinges would not have saved me.
L181[06:54:26] <Blaank> I guess I could feather it for incoming but still.
L182[06:54:32] <Althego> exactly
L183[06:54:38] <Blaank> You need quantum struts if you have hinges.
L184[06:54:39] <Althego> i want to pack huge probes into tiny fairings
L185[06:54:46] <Althego> and open them up in space
L186[06:54:48] <Althego> just as real ones
L187[06:55:35] <Blaank> I did some stuff with a solar setup back when KSPI was reasonably new. Hinges and physics warp do not go well together.
L188[06:55:36] <Mat2ch> Blaank: hinges would allow you to change the wing profile for slower stall speeds ;)
L189[06:55:49] <Blaank> does KSP even do wing profiles?
L190[06:55:53] <Althego> actually you can build a pretty small stock hinge
L191[06:56:07] <Fluburtur> all ksp wings behave like a symetrical airfoil
L192[06:56:10] <Althego> but still the usual silly multiple craft thing applies
L193[06:56:17] <Fluburtur> so they need some anglze of attack to produce lift
L194[06:56:26] <Blaank> I don't think wide and thin is any better than thin and long.
L195[06:56:50] <Blaank> KSP uses raw surface area and angle of attack.
L196[06:56:54] <taniwha> Blaank: stock wings are utterly bogus
L197[06:56:57] <Blaank> Yeah
L198[06:57:00] <Althego> hehe
L199[06:57:20] <Fluburtur> well in real life high aspect ratio wings are better
L200[06:57:27] <Fluburtur> but not sure ksp does that either
L201[06:57:43] <taniwha> even FAR does symmetrical wings
L202[06:58:06] <taniwha> FAR does model aspect ratio properly
L203[06:58:25] <Blaank> long and thin is better when slow?
L204[06:58:36] <taniwha> stock's major wing bogosity comes from it giving wings variable aspect ratio
L205[06:58:36] <Fluburtur> less induced drag
L206[06:58:37] <Blaank> U-2 / A-10?
L207[06:58:42] <taniwha> Blaank: yeah
L208[06:58:45] <Blaank> neat
L209[06:58:46] <Fluburtur> that's why gliders have long and thin wings
L210[06:59:49] <Blaank> They did some tests and I think the best lift:drag ratio was very curved and swept back and downward coming to a point. Happens to look just like this http://www.johnharveyphoto.com/NewZealand/AlbatrosDescendingLg.jpg
L211[07:00:28] <Althego> hehe
L212[07:00:45] <Althego> had millions of years for it
L213[07:05:03] <Fluburtur> I ordered 6" props for my canadair
L214[07:05:11] <Fluburtur> but dunno how to build the engine nacelles
L215[07:05:13] <ve2dmn> Althego: millions of birds died to bring us this design
L216[07:05:13] <Blaank> got 6 foot?
L217[07:05:19] <Althego> hehe
L218[07:05:30] <Fluburtur> radial like the 215 or turboprop like the 415?
L219[07:05:34] <Blaank> I found it funny that the ideal lift:drag wing was a bird.
L220[07:05:46] <Blaank> Also the B2 looks strikingly like a falcon.
L221[07:05:57] <Blaank> When viewed from the side it's nearly the same profle.
L222[07:06:14] <Blaank> https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/B-2-by-morther-nature-comparison.jpg
L223[07:06:27] <Fluburtur> most flying wing airfoils are very thick at the front
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L225[07:07:18] <ve2dmn> Blaank: We sure can improve on the design, but the basic premise works, so why not start with that and do minor improvements?
L226[07:07:22] <Fluburtur> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Bombardier_415_and_Canadair_CL-215_1-72.JPG
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L228[07:07:27] <Fluburtur> the radial one looks better
L229[07:07:41] <Blaank> I prefer inline due to lower drag.
L230[07:07:48] <Blaank> I guess it's techincally V
L231[07:07:54] <Fluburtur> yeah but radial looks better
L232[07:08:06] <Fluburtur> but im gonna use small props so I should go with the turboprop one
L233[07:08:13] <Blaank> So do you prefer red, green, or blue LEDS in your computer fans?
L234[07:08:24] <Althego> none
L235[07:08:41] <Fluburtur> I have blue in mine
L236[07:08:46] <ve2dmn> Blaank: I prefer not to block airflow
L237[07:09:12] <ve2dmn> I mean. why would I put LED in the fan?
L238[07:09:29] <Fluburtur> well I have to go for now
L239[07:10:37] <Althego> because everything has rgb leds lately
L240[07:10:47] <Althego> i wouldnt be surprised if you found ram with rgb leds
L241[07:10:52] <ve2dmn> "The flames designs on the side makes it go faster"
L242[07:12:34] <ve2dmn> Althego: if they are gonna put led in ram, I want them to simulate the morse code to 'Help me I'm trapped in a Factory!'
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L244[07:14:01] <Althego> hehe
L245[07:14:19] <Althego> http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/landing/vengeanceled
L246[07:19:58] <Althego> i think we are too late
L247[07:21:22] <Althego> you cant get trapped in a factory that easily. although the kind canadians trapped me in cae once, but it was just because i did not want to break some glass
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L249[07:23:39] <Rokker> Blaank: why you ping me with plane names
L250[07:27:25] <Althego> i want my planet 9, now
L251[07:28:23] <Althego> too bad it is around its apoapsis
L252[07:28:30] <Althego> probably hard to find
L253[07:31:05] <Blaank> KSP is a tad buggy with menus freezing or the game ceasing to take inputs. Could be a 1.3.0 mod in 1.3.1 doing it.
L254[07:34:52] <Althego> works for me
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L256[07:50:57] <Althego> https://kep.cdn.indexvas.hu/1/0/1900/19005/190052/19005297_d7938850079a5134938db846e0991bff_wm.jpg
L257[07:51:24] <Althego> oh wait, i noticed the text
L258[07:51:25] <petti> of course there are leds in ram boards! everyone knows that blue leds help cooling! first they were added to fans and now innovation has progressed to ram.
L259[07:54:25] <Alanonzander> what about the red ones ?
L260[07:54:38] <petti> they add heat, obviously
L261[07:54:41] <taniwha> red to go faster, blue to keep them cool
L262[07:54:56] <Alanonzander> No wonder my machine likes to overheat :P
L263[07:55:12] <taniwha> and green to signal go
L264[07:55:13] <petti> yeah, red increases clock speed too
L265[07:55:23] <taniwha> best LEDs: white :)
L266[07:55:44] <petti> I prefer white, it has all the colours so you get all the benefits
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L268[07:56:11] <Althego> hehe
L269[07:56:18] <Alanonzander> too bad they don't make black-light LED yet
L270[07:56:40] <sandbox> probably best if they don't
L271[07:57:03] <petti> sure they do, the chinese specialize in them. you can spot them by the fact that they produce no visible light and they have black spots in them
L272[07:57:07] <Althego> i bet they do
L273[07:57:15] <petti> very energy efficient too after the smoke clears
L274[07:57:23] <Alanonzander> hehehe
L275[08:03:17] <Fluburtur> uh
L276[08:04:15] <GlassYuri> ...I have to upgrade my pc
L277[08:04:39] <GlassYuri> more RAM, CUDA GPU, new missile control interface
L278[08:04:54] <Althego> missile control interface?
L279[08:04:56] <taniwha> GlassYuri: trackball
L280[08:05:10] <taniwha> with three buttons
L281[08:05:11] <Althego> missile threat missile
L282[08:05:22] <GlassYuri> it also has to produce more heat because of the damn third world grade insulation here
L283[08:05:34] <Fluburtur> well time to start working on my canadair
L284[08:05:43] <Althego> spend money on insulation instead :)
L285[08:06:00] <GlassYuri> taniwha, because cool looking = faster and more powerful?
L286[08:06:03] <Fluburtur> putting insulation foam in walls? who would do that
L287[08:06:13] <Fluburtur> it's made for rc planes clearly
L288[08:06:24] <GlassYuri> it's the windows that are the issue
L289[08:06:55] <GlassYuri> they leak heat faster than the average driver reacts to a changing traffic light
L290[08:07:21] <Fluburtur> good thing I only have one small window in my room then
L291[08:07:26] <Fluburtur> but I also have roof
L292[08:07:40] <Fluburtur> someone give me a thermal camera
L293[08:08:16] <Althego> you can buy one for andoroid or i*
L294[08:08:22] <petti> write to flir and ask for one for free if you publish a favorable review on it online
L295[08:08:22] <GlassYuri> I have a roof, three exterior walls, and two windows, one of them being almost an entire short wall
L296[08:08:24] <Althego> connects through usb
L297[08:08:38] <Althego> somewhat expensive
L298[08:08:55] <Fluburtur> well brb gonna print crap
L299[08:09:16] <GlassYuri> what dimensional printer?
L300[08:09:43] <petti> judging by the medium I'd say it is a biological one
L301[08:10:18] <Althego> flir one, that is theri name
L302[08:10:39] <Althego> 400 usd
L303[08:10:55] <petti> I think there was a cheaper one too
L304[08:11:18] <Althego> or you can take a single ir sensor and scan everything with it manually :)
L305[08:13:29] <petti> not a bad idea. if a quarter million pixel sensor costs 400 then a single sensor should be only pennies?
L306[08:13:55] * petti pats himself on the shoulder.
L307[08:18:57] <Fluburtur> I didn't really think about how I would make this plane
L308[08:20:48] <Fluburtur> I was just half awake at 3am and I was like "I want a canadair"
L309[08:21:30] <Fluburtur> actually I make 90% of my decisions like that
L310[08:24:44] <petti> wanna buy some magic rocks?
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L312[08:25:53] <Fluburtur> yeah
L313[08:26:11] <petti> :D
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L331[09:50:25] <ve2dmn> TIL: https://github.com/jeyoder/ThingsInSpace
L332[09:50:39] <ve2dmn> (the source code for http://stuffin.space/ _
L333[09:50:41] <ve2dmn> )
L334[10:01:52] <Althego> i didnt like last jedi
L335[10:02:43] * mrcus shakes Althego
L336[10:03:25] <Mat2ch> uh, what are Object A to E?
L337[10:03:37] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/c32ced1ee9b23f807eeadbdd2cea670e/tumblr_oumqwccbZZ1uvq9elo7_540.jpg
L338[10:03:52] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: for 'stuffin.space' ?
L339[10:04:21] <Althego> lot of stuff
L340[10:04:30] <Fluburtur> I always like free cradboard but this one is so moist it's turning into circles
L341[10:05:09] <ve2dmn> Mat2ch: these objects have an ID and are groupped with a launch, so they are probably debri from that launch... or from a collision
L342[10:05:20] <Mat2ch> ve2dmn: yeah... it looks like satellites or something...
L343[10:09:37] <ve2dmn> take 'object S', for example. It's space junk from group 2017-07, with ID : 43053U
L344[10:10:02] <ve2dmn> https://orbit-tracker.com/satellite/43053
L345[10:12:57] <ve2dmn> The sat that came from that launch: https://orbit-tracker.com/satellite/43006
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L347[10:13:43] <Mathuin> Sorta bummed there's no group for ham radio satellites
L348[10:14:01] <ve2dmn> it's grouped by launch, not by purpose
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L350[10:14:12] <Mathuin> They have GPS as its own group, which is actually pretty.
L351[10:14:19] <Mathuin> but that Iridium 33 debris field *shudder*
L352[10:15:12] <ve2dmn> yeah :/
L353[10:15:27] <Mathuin> 2017-042G "Flying Laptop"
L354[10:15:49] <Mathuin> https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/22475/flying-laptop-2017-042g-42831
L355[10:17:28] <Mathuin> Wow, that's actually a fascinating satellite, and the dissertations-per-kilogram rival new elements.
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L358[10:27:01] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: I wonder what model of 'radiation tolerant FPGA' it has
L359[10:28:12] <Althego> http://kep.index.hu/1/0/1903/19038/190385/19038591_f59442351c13537cb891d82df3ccf52c_t.jpg
L360[10:33:31] <ve2dmn> because everything I know about FPGA tells me they don't like radiation... they REALLY don't like radiation
L361[10:34:20] <Althego> as usual the bigger the features in an ic, the more tolerant it is
L362[10:36:22] <ve2dmn> but the FP in FPGA means that a high-enough volatge can re-program a part of the circuit...
L363[10:36:37] <ve2dmn> so I'm just curious how they do it
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L365[10:37:42] <Althego> ask them
L366[10:37:43] <Not-KasperVld> Ey
L367[10:38:03] <ve2dmn> them?
L368[10:38:15] <Not-KasperVld> Yeah them
L369[10:38:16] <Althego> people who made the satellite, not the illuminati
L370[10:38:37] <Not-KasperVld> But the Illuminati made the satellite
L371[10:38:42] <ve2dmn> http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVGZvjMoFnpq1CFYEhFPbegubryLng0qE03b9lw6NUhvkMFHB9
L372[10:38:59] <Althego> there is no space, therefore no satellites in orbit :)Ö
L373[10:39:10] <ve2dmn> Not-KasperVld: context: https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/22475/flying-laptop-2017-042g-42831
L374[10:39:11] <Not-KasperVld> Actually there is
L375[10:39:21] <Althego> everything is under the dome
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L381[10:52:19] <sandbox> anything interesting happening?
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L386[10:53:31] <SimulatedRaptor> In what context? There was an ISS crew rotation a few days ago.
L387[10:53:42] <SimulatedRaptor> (Er, @ sandbox)
L388[10:54:13] <sandbox> just in general
L389[10:54:35] <mrcus> ISIS is losing their territory
L390[10:54:43] <mrcus> Amtrak derailed in the US
L391[10:55:18] <mrcus> Trump is being a bit more cautious when mentioning the special counsel
L392[10:55:36] <sandbox> let's not go there
L393[10:55:51] <mrcus> A quarter of the Libanese population are now Syrian refugees
L394[10:57:19] <mrcus> Half of UK adults are lonely at Christmas, reports the Salvation Army
L395[10:57:34] <SimulatedRaptor> Uh, I'd avoid politics.
L396[10:57:51] <ve2dmn> it's agains the rules anyway
L397[10:58:04] <mrcus> Oh, just responding to the "what's happening, in general"
L398[10:58:36] <ve2dmn> I would just say 'stuff'
L399[10:59:02] <mrcus> (And as he's the president of the US, mentioning Trump doesn't neccesarily mean it's politics, it might also just be news)
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L401[10:59:49] <ve2dmn> Still, I would avoid getting even close to that if I were you
L402[11:00:06] <Althego> fake news :)
L403[11:00:39] * ve2dmn gets up from his chair and goes out to get food
L404[11:01:04] <mrcus> Ah, I forgot that we live in the era where facts are something you can subjectively choose to believe or not
L405[11:01:12] <SimulatedRaptor> Althego: Like the onion?
L406[11:01:26] <Althego> like an ogre :)
L407[11:01:53] <SimulatedRaptor> Anyway, more exoplanets have been found in the Hyades http://aasnova.org/2017/12/15/more-planets-in-the-hyades-cluster/
L408[11:02:15] <Althego> kepler
L409[11:02:28] <mrcus> ooooh
L410[11:02:30] <Althego> found some thousand candidates
L411[11:02:34] <SimulatedRaptor> All hail K2
L412[11:02:37] <mrcus> can't wait to go
L413[11:07:17] * SimulatedRaptor steals Neid and HPF for RV follow-up.
L414[11:07:47] <APlayer> So, guys, what do you say about some interstellar holidays?
L415[11:13:05] <SimulatedRaptor> Discovery of 'Oumuamua, anniversary of Voyager 1 crossing the heliopause?
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L417[11:14:01] <mrcus> Well, a quick trip a couple of LY and back should also be a great way to travel to a future where the problem of aging has been solved
L418[11:14:13] <Althego> hehe
L419[11:14:24] <Althego> yes, by traveling near lightspeed :)
L420[11:15:22] <mrcus> My favorite part of relativistic speeds is the "nuclear explosions when crashing into space dust" part
L421[11:18:52] <mrcus> > Although only present at a density of around one atom in a cubic centimetre, the cosmos’s ambient hydrogen would translate into a bombardment of intense radiation. The hydrogen would shatter into subatomic particles that would pass into the ship, irradiating both crew and equipment.
L422[11:19:25] <mrcus> > At speeds around 95% of light, the exposure would be near-instantly deadly. The star ship would heat up, too, to melting temperatures for essentially any conceivable material, while water in the crew’s bodies would promptly boil. “These are all nasty problems,” quips Edelstein.
L423[11:21:10] <SimulatedRaptor> Ow
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L425[11:21:43] <SimulatedRaptor> ;c 1/sqrt(1-0.945^2)
L426[11:21:43] <kmath> SimulatedRaptor: 3.0574464017623346
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L428[11:22:17] <SimulatedRaptor> 2 GeV protons and 1 MeV electrons! \o/
L429[11:22:19] <mrcus> yeah, looks like we need to invent some cool and exotic ways of moving through space first
L430[11:22:43] <mrcus> I should study some physics >_>
L431[11:23:23] <mrcus> I'm actually considering going back to Uni and getting a degree in astrophysics
L432[11:23:28] <SimulatedRaptor> The Feynman lectures are freely available, and then there's MIT's open courseware.
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L434[11:23:52] <SimulatedRaptor> That, too.
L435[11:24:28] <mrcus> I'd need to learn high school maths first, though. Which is a pain, and either requires a significant amount of effort or a lot of money >_>
L436[11:25:01] <GlassYuri> just use wolfram aplha
L437[11:25:35] <mrcus> No, I literally need to complete the courses to get accepted into a BSc program
L438[11:26:54] <GlassYuri> ...I have to get up in five hours
L439[11:28:40] <GlassYuri> and then survive nine hours of school
L440[11:30:10] <Mathuin> Yay school.
L441[11:30:13] <Mathuin> Grad school sucks.
L442[11:30:29] <Draconiator> Wooooot I have a 9-year-old digital camera that still works amazing
L443[11:30:33] <GlassYuri> vocational school, game programming
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L445[11:32:57] <Draconiator> here's my exact camera on Amazon
L446[11:32:59] <Draconiator> https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Coolpix-L19-Digital-Optical/dp/B001PK8FG0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1513618342&sr=1-1&keywords=Nikon+Coolpix+L19
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L448[11:44:28] <SimulatedRaptor> Grad school is weird.
L449[11:44:46] <Althego> how
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L451[11:49:35] <SimulatedRaptor> Classes effectively pass/fail, and really research counts for more. (If you can fit it in the schedule) Theoretically there's lots of freedom (especially in setting your work hours), but lots of practical limits.
L452[11:49:40] <SimulatedRaptor> Also, lolpay
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L456[12:06:47] <FAST> hello>?
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L458[12:08:01] <Althego> haha
L459[12:08:08] <Althego> he was fast :)
L460[12:10:51] <SimulatedRaptor> Hah. Total in channel time?
L461[12:11:45] <Althego> 29 seconds
L462[12:11:55] <ve2dmn> SimulatedRaptor: PHDComics is true then? Grad student are attracted to free food?
L463[12:12:36] <sandbox> I've seen faster
L464[12:13:11] <SimulatedRaptor> ve2dmn: yes.
L465[12:13:48] <SimulatedRaptor> Also, the Lego grad student is accurate, if generally near the worst case.
L466[12:14:12] <ve2dmn> ?
L467[12:19:43] <SimulatedRaptor> eg: https://legogradstudent.tumblr.com/post/147350743586/starving-from-a-food-deprived-afternoon-the-grad
L468[12:21:12] <SimulatedRaptor> https://legogradstudent.tumblr.com/post/147454849711/eating-his-stolen-sandwiches-in-the-stairwell-the
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L473[12:28:19] <ValentinaMcKerbin> hello
L474[12:28:19] <Mod9000> Hello, ValentinaMcKerbin
L475[12:28:26] <ValentinaMcKerbin> good bot
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L478[12:29:45] <ValentinaMcKerbin> i have a question, after searching i didnt found but maybe, is there a mod adding audio altitude messages like in planes? You descend and hear 1 thousand ... 9 hundred, 8 hundred ... 1 houndred and so on and so on
L479[12:29:54] <ValentinaMcKerbin> what would be SO useful
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L482[12:34:54] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L483[12:35:05] <Althego> even a radar altimeter in normal view would be useful
L484[12:35:18] <ValentinaMcKerbin> Althego that i already have
L485[12:35:29] <Althego> but mod
L486[12:35:33] <ValentinaMcKerbin> yeah
L487[12:35:43] <ValentinaMcKerbin> in some of mods i installed but i dont know which\
L488[12:41:36] <Mathuin> Grad students are attracted to free food to the extent that my school has an unofficial twitter account where folks tweet the location of free food
L489[12:43:29] <SimulatedRaptor> Mathuin: lolsob
L490[12:48:08] <APlayer> Someone explain me... Who had the idea of scanning Oumuamua for signs of being artificial? The chance is like 1 * 10^(-10^(-99)) that it would be an artificial object, what's all the hype even about?
L491[12:48:19] <sandbox> trying and failing to think of a free food twitter purge joke
L492[12:48:37] <APlayer> OK, I messed up the probability formula, but that's besides the point
L493[12:49:00] <APlayer> 1 * 10^(-10^(99)), that is
L494[12:50:51] <ValentinaMcKerbin> hope dies last
L495[12:51:02] <ve2dmn> dammit... I just nerd-snipped myself :/
L496[12:51:20] * APlayer is interested
L497[12:51:25] <APlayer> Nerd snipe me
L498[12:52:54] <SimulatedRaptor> APlayer: Random thing I saw online: 9*ABCD=DCBA. (where the letters represent digits) What is the number?
L499[12:53:12] <SimulatedRaptor> Also, some people always assume aliens.
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L502[12:57:03] <ve2dmn> APlayer: it's a long story...
L503[12:57:21] <ve2dmn> and it involves explain.xkcd
L504[12:57:35] <APlayer> Is it the raptor quiz?
L505[12:57:37] <ve2dmn> And the actually Nerd-Snipping strip
L506[12:57:42] <APlayer> Ah
L507[12:57:47] <ve2dmn> And the story about Conway
L508[12:58:20] <ve2dmn> and lastly a prety lady who's studying in Math
L509[12:59:08] <APlayer> SimulatedRaptor: Mission accomplished
L510[12:59:50] <APlayer> And now I'm doomed because my last pen stopped working midway through the equation
L511[13:00:30] * APlayer hates solving equations with pencils
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L514[13:10:42] <SimulatedRaptor> hm
L515[13:11:13] <SimulatedRaptor> APlayer: it was just a random math thing I saw.
L516[13:11:56] <APlayer> Let me hereby inform you that A seems to be 10.099873597259263104288574230395 according to my maths
L517[13:12:17] <SimulatedRaptor> uh
L518[13:12:18] <Althego> lol
L519[13:12:45] <APlayer> Anyway, I am taking a different approach
L520[13:12:51] <APlayer> I may or may not have an idea
L521[13:13:43] <ve2dmn> A=B=C=0. D=1 :P
L522[13:15:12] <ve2dmn> wait... that that suppose to be D=0
L523[13:15:23] <SimulatedRaptor> ve2dmn: no, no, D=0 also if you're being silly.
L524[13:15:46] <ve2dmn> ^
L525[13:15:53] <APlayer> Huh? Is this even possible? 1111 is the largest number that has 4 digits, and I assume 0-digits are not allowed
L526[13:16:11] <APlayer> 1111 * 9 is the largest number that has 4 digits*
L527[13:16:34] <APlayer> And 1111 * 9 != 9999
L528[13:16:43] <APlayer> Uh...
L529[13:16:49] <APlayer> 1111 * 9 != 1111
L530[13:16:59] <Althego> the digist must be different
L531[13:17:01] <APlayer> Grr, I'm all messed up today, sorry
L532[13:17:30] <APlayer> Althego: Well, Assume A = 1
L533[13:17:35] <APlayer> Then D = 9
L534[13:17:49] <Althego> logical
L535[13:17:56] <APlayer> The same logic applies to all other digits
L536[13:17:56] <Althego> now you have only 3 to solve
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L538[13:18:07] <Althego> you could even brute force that
L539[13:18:27] <APlayer> So no digit can be greater than 1, else its counterpart is greater than 9
L540[13:19:05] <APlayer> The only solution is A=B=C=D=0
L541[13:19:25] <APlayer> But I am 99% sure this is invalid
L542[13:19:34] <ve2dmn> APlayer: unless you allow 0 in B or C
L543[13:20:00] <Althego> since the whole number multiplication applies
L544[13:20:18] <Althego> you dont need to constraint yourself with single digits
L545[13:21:07] <Althego> actually because of the 9, the second cant be bigger than 1
L546[13:21:07] <APlayer> So, 12X9 * 9 > 9999
L547[13:21:20] <Althego> but hre other 2 can be different
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L549[13:21:38] <APlayer> Nope, D has to be 9 if A is 1
L550[13:21:50] <Althego> you could just google this
L551[13:21:58] <Althego> i will not solve this after 8
L552[13:25:31] <SimulatedRaptor> There is a solution where it's just 4 digit numbers and every number is a unique digit.
L553[13:26:19] <APlayer> This narrows things down
L554[13:26:22] <Mathuin> So 9*(1000*a+100*b+10*c+d) = 1000*d+100*c+10*b+a
L555[13:26:50] <APlayer> As we know A = 1, D = 9, B < 2 and B != 1, B must be 0
L556[13:27:06] <APlayer> So it is 10X9 * 9 = 9X01
L557[13:27:43] <ve2dmn> X=2 ?
L558[13:27:48] <APlayer> Let me brute force this one, I am too lazy to come up with things
L559[13:28:19] <ve2dmn> X=8
L560[13:28:30] <APlayer> Yeah, ninja'd me
L561[13:28:41] <APlayer> So, ABCD is 1089
L562[13:29:22] <APlayer> SimulatedRaptor: What was the prize? Does it ship to Europe before Christmas? :P
L563[13:31:37] * SimulatedRaptor gives APlayer a?. (just in time for the 7th night of ?)
L564[13:31:49] <APlayer> You just gave me a tofu
L565[13:31:56] <APlayer> An aTofu
L566[13:31:57] <SimulatedRaptor> uh
L567[13:32:01] <APlayer> :P
L568[13:32:25] <APlayer> And it came just in time for the 7th night of tofu, too
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L571[13:33:46] <APlayer> For the record, SimulatedRaptor showed me the meaning of the tofu: "U+1F381 WRAPPED PRESENT" and "U+1F54E MENORAH WITH NINE BRANCHES"
L572[13:34:37] <SimulatedRaptor> Yay, fonts.
L573[13:35:41] <APlayer> No idea how you guys can see this. I am running a generic Windows 7 machine and HexChat and get tofus all over the place
L574[13:35:53] <Mathuin> I just get 'box'
L575[13:36:06] <mrcus> Does anyone here have some experience with Kerbalism and MM?
L576[13:36:16] <APlayer> "Tofu" is an alternative description of the "box" you see
L577[13:36:31] <Mathuin> got it
L578[13:36:34] <APlayer> mrcus: Limited, but some. What are you looking for?
L579[13:36:45] <mrcus> I want to write a patch, but I can't figure out how to delegate an animation from the mod to Kerbalism.
L580[13:37:19] <APlayer> Well, no idea about animations. IIRC you need a C# part to control them, won't get away with patches for that
L581[13:38:08] <mrcus> Kerbalism has a module that allows deploy animations to be controlled by part pressure
L582[13:38:14] <SimulatedRaptor> APlayer: font suggestions: http://unifoundry.com/unifont.html
L583[13:38:34] <SimulatedRaptor> also, http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
L584[13:39:50] <APlayer> mrcus: In that case, I suggest you ask ShotgunNinja in the Kerbalism thread, if the documentation has not revealed anything useful
L585[13:40:04] <APlayer> The documentation is in the GitHub repo wiki, in case you missed it
L586[13:40:24] <ve2dmn> APlayer: I'm runnign kirc and I see the fonts fine
L587[13:41:40] <APlayer> SimulatedRaptor: I don't even know how to install fonts, LOL. I guess I'd find it on google, though (before anyone starts explaining)
L588[13:42:38] <ve2dmn> APlayer: http://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tips.html#special-glyphs
L589[13:42:41] <SimulatedRaptor> APlayer: download, unzip, copy/move to c:\windows\fonts, IIRC
L590[13:43:02] <SimulatedRaptor> The right folder is somewhere around there.
L591[13:43:37] <mrcus> APlayer: He hasn't been active for several months :(
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L593[13:44:21] <Althego> on windows the fonts are already there, you just need to tell it to hexchat to use them (dumbest thing ever)
L594[13:44:35] <APlayer> mrcus: OK, I'll try to have a look shortly myself, but don't count on me finding any useful info. I don't even know C#, much less about the inner workings of KSP or Kerbalism
L595[13:44:46] <SimulatedRaptor> Althego: aaaaaa!
L596[13:45:04] <APlayer> ...so, I can just do it in the HexChat config?
L597[13:45:29] <APlayer> I guess I feel more at home with that than with Windows system folders (they are a mess beyond repair...)
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L599[13:49:07] <APlayer> So, what's the last Unicode version? Or rather, how up to/out of date is Unicode 4.0?
L600[13:50:11] <APlayer> Alright, something-something-2003
L601[13:50:19] <SimulatedRaptor> Latest is 11.0, I think.
L602[13:51:04] <APlayer> Hexchat already is configured to use Unifont
L603[13:51:15] <APlayer> And Symbola
L604[13:51:32] <APlayer> Should not show as many tofus as I am seeing, if I understand correctly
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L606[13:54:35] <Althego> alternative fonts given in my hexchat
L607[13:54:37] <Althego> Arial Unicode MS,Lucida Sans Unicode,MS Gothic,Unifont,Segoe UI,Segoe UI Emoji,Segoe UI Historic,Segoe UI Symbol
L608[13:55:05] <Althego> literally no other irc client requires this kind of silly setting
L609[13:55:18] <Althego> and i had to come up with these as i found the missing symbols one by one
L610[13:55:20] <APlayer> "MS,Segoe UI Emoji,Lucida Sans Unicode,Meiryo,Symbola,Unifont" for me
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L612[13:57:57] <Althego> ok maybe in the meantime they fixed it
L613[13:58:04] <Althego> i dont care, i will not try to remove from these
L614[13:58:11] <Althego> but there was a considerable long time, months
L615[13:58:16] <Althego> when these had to be present
L616[14:04:13] <ve2dmn> I'm using Courrier :D
L617[14:06:09] <sandbox> And so the Courier who had cheated death in the cemetery outside Goodsprings cheated death once again, and the Mojave wasteland was forever changed.
L618[14:06:56] <ve2dmn> ... but war. War never changes
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L620[14:09:09] <ve2dmn> APlayer: can you see ☃️ at least?
L621[14:09:28] <Althego> unicodesnowmanforyou
L622[14:09:30] <APlayer> Partially
L623[14:09:41] <Althego> http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/
L624[14:09:45] <ve2dmn> Althego: of course
L625[14:10:00] <Althego> there are at least 3 snowmen in unicode
L626[14:10:02] <Althego> one is black
L627[14:11:46] <ve2dmn> Not all are suported... like I can't see this:?
L628[14:11:55] <Althego> i can
L629[14:12:08] <Althego> the snowman thing, i didnt se at leats one symbol next to it
L630[14:12:22] <Althego> probably need to add another font, because hexchat is what it is
L631[14:12:27] <ve2dmn> it's from https://emojipedia.org/mother-christmas/
L632[14:12:44] <ve2dmn> some of the images in that are just... awful
L633[14:12:53] <Althego> but i can see these ?????????
L634[14:13:22] <ve2dmn> ? a big classic
L635[14:13:39] <Althego> can we have all emojis in kerbal too?
L636[14:13:46] <Althego> there are several skin colors now for those
L637[14:13:51] <Althego> so we need to have them in green too
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L641[14:23:33] <ve2dmn> TIL that the oldest thing in orbit is Vanguard 1... along with the rocket body parts and debris that stayed up there
L642[14:24:13] <ve2dmn> What is the oldest satellitte in orbit that still works? even partially?
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L644[14:28:43] <ve2dmn> I learn of lot of things today
L645[14:28:51] <ve2dmn> I also learned that I'm an idiot
L646[14:29:57] <ve2dmn> https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/1564/what-is-the-oldest-artificial-satellite-still-in-use
L647[14:31:21] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy0QMw667kk
L648[14:31:21] <kmath> YouTube - When You Hate Porgs! (Nerdist Presents)
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L656[15:09:04] * darsie put Jebediah on Eeloo and brought him back.
L657[15:09:30] <ve2dmn> darsie: not try taking off from Eve
L658[15:09:34] <ve2dmn> now*
L659[15:09:43] <darsie> I did a sample return from Eve.
L660[15:10:02] * ve2dmn bow to your superior skills
L661[15:10:09] <darsie> :)
L662[15:10:49] <darsie> Used the KS-25 or so engine and the quad version, and a refinery.
L663[15:10:53] <ve2dmn> I know I could probably do it, but I'm so afraid of running out of dV that I wind up with not enough TWR
L664[15:11:02] <ve2dmn> Every. Freaking. Time.
L665[15:12:33] <darsie> Entry was the toughest part.
L666[15:12:47] <darsie> Refuel at Gilly
L667[15:12:50] <darsie> Refuel at Eve
L668[15:13:02] <darsie> Refuel in Kerbin orbit.
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L670[15:19:18] <darsie> omg, landing at Eeloo was so tough. Took me a while to optimize it and land and lose only one battery.
L671[15:19:43] * darsie flew with Dawn.
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L673[15:29:12] <APlayer> So, Eve sample return mission proposal: Ion powered craft with docking port to capture the sample, prospecting rover parachute landed on Eve, sample collecting+launching craft (probably two parts docked in orbit - lander structure + ascent vehicle). Should be able to launch with four light to medium rockets (~5 tons to Eve intercept).
L674[15:29:57] <APlayer> Rover is even optional, but I guess useful to select a potential landing site which is flat enough for the lander
L675[15:30:29] <APlayer> Assuming SCANsat and Trajectories mods are used, else the rover is nearly useless
L676[15:30:37] <Mathuin> APlayer: this is one reason I like SCANsat, I can get elevation and slope data to choose landing sites.
L677[15:30:43] <ve2dmn> Tajectories?
L678[15:30:53] <Mathuin> Trajectories will put a red line and X where you'll stop
L679[15:31:04] <APlayer> ve2dmn: That reentry/aerobrake prediction mod
L680[15:31:05] <ve2dmn> right... I had that in the past
L681[15:31:13] <oren> APlayer: you could get samples from different biomes with a rover tho
L682[15:31:14] <APlayer> Should have it in the present, really
L683[15:31:15] <Mathuin> So if you aren't using MJ to autoland, you can get a good idea where you'll be hitting the ground with it.
L684[15:31:38] <APlayer> oren: Would need to move the sample cache and dock it to the ascent vehicle later, really difficult concept
L685[15:32:14] <APlayer> I did that for Duna once with IR, procedural fairings and tweakscale, it was so Kraken-prone I won't do that again
L686[15:32:49] <ve2dmn> APlayer: I got right of it when I upgrade... not sure I haven't re-installed it. probably a version issue then I forgot about it
L687[15:32:52] <oren> uhhh can you not use that science container thingy and transfer the samples to it
L688[15:32:58] <APlayer> Rover launched with sample cache, landed, collected samples, moved to the ascent vehicle lander, dropped the cache, lander robotic arm picked it up and docked it to the top
L689[15:34:40] <APlayer> Then the ascent vehicle launched it to Duna orbit, dropped the cache again and the return vehicle docked to the cache, also adding a heat shield, parachute and basic probe parts to make it self-sustaining through reentry
L690[15:35:11] <APlayer> But every single step of docking did not work the easy way
L691[15:36:15] <APlayer> Plus the fairings designed to make it at least look like a proper craft kept getting in the way and bugging out
L692[15:36:39] <oren> bt why is it necessary tomove the samples in a container from the rover to the launcher
L693[15:37:24] <APlayer> Uh, because I am not launching rovers to Kerbin back from Duna
L694[15:37:39] <APlayer> I have better things to spend my payload mass on :P
L695[15:37:42] <oren> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Experiment_Storage_Unit
L696[15:38:14] <APlayer> Right, but how do I get this from the rover to the ascent vehicle?
L697[15:38:18] <oren> I am saying that samples can be moved from the storage on the rover, through a dockingport, to the storage at the top
L698[15:38:37] <APlayer> Uh what
L699[15:38:42] <oren> transfer can be done without physically moving any parts
L700[15:38:59] <oren> "All stored experiments can be transferred, together, to another Storage Unit by selecting "Container: Transfer Data", then selecting another module highlighted in light blue, which should be able to receive them all. Kerbals on EVA can also "Take Data", to transfer all experiments to themselves. "
L701[15:39:00] <APlayer> Probably some mod is doing this for me, but I don't think they can in my install
L702[15:39:23] <oren> no this is a stock part and a stock feature of this part
L703[15:39:38] <APlayer> Most likely Kerbalism, it adds a complete overhaul of the science experiments
L704[15:39:47] <APlayer> And I stored the experiments in probe cores
L705[15:40:14] <APlayer> Right, but Kerbalism overrides stock features a lot
L706[15:41:29] <APlayer> Long story short, I am fairly certain I need to physically move parts to transfer certain sorts of experiments in my install
L707[15:41:47] <APlayer> Kerbalism makes surface samples rather difficult to process
L708[15:43:14] <APlayer> Oh well, I've got to go
L709[15:43:26] <APlayer> See you!
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L727[16:53:07] <Fluburtur> http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-1512-ex
L728[16:57:55] <Fluburtur> oh man this one is great http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-871
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L752[20:09:35] <darsie> How can I get computer control back after grabbing a ship with a Kerbal?
L753[20:10:06] <darsie> This guy has no experience and can't even do attitude hold.
L754[20:14:08] <darsie> "When docked successfully, your controls will change to the ship's controls"
L755[20:14:17] <darsie> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Advanced_Grabbing_Unit
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L775[20:55:16] <Blaank> So how do you get payload with reusable ships?
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L777[20:56:04] <Blaank> Lots of rapiers, wings, and max ascent to 5km then 20 degrees from there out?
L778[20:56:41] <Blaank> I think my landing problem has been attributed to max spring and dampener landing gear sending me rocketing back into the sky
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L783[21:37:28] <Mathuin> I like the idea of RPM's pages for MJ, but I'd like to make my own pages to replace those. Does anyone know of any addons that do this sort of thing so I could see how it's done?
L784[21:47:34] <Mathuin> Also, is the "step by step mining guide" on the forums from 2015 still accurate?
L785[21:50:29] <Blaank> Is there a good mod to add landing strips to various places around kerbin so by botched re-entries with spaceplanes don't end in disaster?
L786[21:53:09] <Mathuin> Blaank: "Kerbal Konstructs and Kerbinside" according to an eight-month-old post on the subreddit.
L787[21:53:34] <Blaank> Kerbinside adds like 4x as much stuff at KSC and murders my framerate
L788[21:53:59] <Blaank> Also the entry side of the runway has a boatload of radar arrays and stuff ensuring certain death if you land short.
L789[21:54:23] <Blaank> And there's tons of stuff to the left and right ensuring certain death if you are not directly on the runway.
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L791[21:54:31] <Blaank> And it adds like 5 more runways scattered around kerbin.
L792[21:54:51] <Blaank> I think some of them are too short to use but I haven't investigated them.
L793[21:55:04] <Blaank> And they probably don't recover full cash due to landing away from KSC.
L794[21:56:05] <tawny> there's one called Kerbtown or something but I don't know if it's what you want exactly
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L797[21:59:29] <Blaank> I've got a super basic SSTO but still haven't gotten landing down.
L798[21:59:58] <Blaank> I have nearly no control over where I end up.
L799[22:00:28] <Blaank> I usually crash and die on landing.
L800[22:00:47] <Blaank> And was hoping I could find a mod that scattered landing sites around so I wouldn't be screwed.
L801[22:04:48] <Mathuin> There should definitely be emergency landing sites like the shuttle had.
L802[22:05:17] <Mathuin> There should also be a mining tutorial. (... is there a mining tutorial and I missed it?)
L803[22:08:57] <Blaank> yeah, like I predicted, these runway changes are deathtraps.
L804[22:09:05] <Blaank> I came up short and plowed into a brick wall at 100m/s
L805[22:09:07] <Blaank> died
L806[22:09:20] <Blaank> Kerbinside runways are lethal
L807[22:09:37] <Blaank> That's getting uninstalled. It's safter landing on dirt
L808[22:13:38] <tawny> I have one of the visual packs installed, so the night side of kerbin is almost completely un-seeable and that certainly doesn't help with successful ssto landings
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L810[22:20:04] <Mathuin> No mining training, but there's a "prospecting eeloo" scenario. I think that's just looking for ore, not actually digging it up.
L811[22:21:26] <Blaank> I could pretty easily make a script for a mining tutorial if the effort put forth would be put to good use.
L812[22:21:51] <Blaank> Dialog I'm not great with but the ore scanning and mining mechanics would be easy to set up as would basic example scanning and mining ships.
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L814[22:26:17] <Mathuin> Really basic example mining ships and bases is what I'm looking for, personally. Something I can put together in the VAB and drive to the flat spot next to KSC and practice is what I'm trying to do.
L815[22:28:55] <Mathuin> I'm making a separate game for this so I don't screw up my real one. :-)
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L818[22:38:28] <Blaank> You want an effective or a super simple mining rig?
L819[22:38:45] <TheKosmonaut> Bitcoin mining rig
L820[22:38:58] <Mathuin> The bare minimum to actually pull resources out of the ground and convert into liquid fuel or monopropellant or whatever.
L821[22:39:04] <TheKosmonaut> My power is: Dyson sphere
L822[22:39:06] <Mathuin> If that's two separate tiny crafts that have docking ports, that's cool.
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L824[22:41:58] <Blaank> Can you test on the launch pad?
L825[22:42:35] <Supernovy> Yes.
L826[22:44:09] <Mathuin> I jammed eight drills onto a large tank, put one of those quad engine fuel tank jobs underneath it, and lobbed it all to the other side of KSC.
L827[22:44:17] <Mathuin> Exploded on impact. :-(
L828[22:45:12] <Blaank> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/900022878183759919/8B1F591A7427459084A21FC6A03CE477319326A9/ There you go. Don't know if it will last the night.
L829[22:45:21] <Blaank> add more batteries I guess if it doesn't
L830[22:46:58] <Blaank> Will last a day on Kerbin.
L831[22:47:04] <Blaank> ISRU can't keep up with drill.
L832[22:47:52] <darsie> Blaank: Add an (experienced) engineer.
L833[22:48:22] <Blaank> Too bad mining is a terrible way to make money in KSP
L834[22:49:13] <Mathuin> Is the alleged point of mining to get "free fuel" when you're far from home?
L835[22:49:14] <darsie> Too bad I can't sell my VF for 'real' money.
L836[22:49:44] <darsie> Mathuin: yes
L837[22:50:08] <darsie> Mathuin: I made an Eve sample return an refuelled at Kerbin orbit, Gilly and Eve.
L838[22:50:16] <Blaank> It's a ton of work, though. Less IRL time to make fuel shipments than land mining ships and send fueling ships to orbit.
L839[22:56:21] <darsie> Send fuelling ships down to Eve ;).
L840[22:58:54] <darsie> ahh
L841[22:58:56] <darsie> nm
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