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L3[00:02:16] <Rolf> took me a bit but
figured the joke out.
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L9[00:38:05] <Blaank> I don't get it.
L10[00:38:50] <Althego> every base is base
10 in its own base :)
L11[00:39:34] <tawny> in base 4, it goes 1,
2, 3, 10...
L12[00:39:51] <tawny> so if you had an
alien with a 'base 4' number system
L13[00:39:55] <tawny> they'd just call it
base 10
L14[00:40:08] <Blaank> Ok, so I did get
it.
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L22[01:07:08] <kmath> YouTube - Every time
Boston Dynamics has abused a robot
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L29[02:00:20] <kmath> YouTube - Whole New
Worlds: An Aladdin History of Exoplanets | A Capella Science,
Trudbol, SamRobson, Gia Mora
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L32[02:08:23] <kmath> YouTube - 16 Cylinder
Gas Powered Stirling Engine
L33[02:08:37] <Althego> saw this yesterday
:)
L34[02:08:43] <Rolf> its certainly
nice
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L38[02:13:04] <Guest24716> Probably the
question was already asked. Where can I download latest KSP
Demo?
L39[02:13:42] <Althego> hehe it writes
under maintenance
L40[02:14:07] <Rolf> $260 is bit pricy for
toy heh]
L41[02:15:39] <Guest24716> Is there any
mirror/copy of the official site that is currently being
maintained?
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L47[02:51:08] <JCB> rwar...
L48[02:51:09] <JCB> ping?
L49[02:51:32] <Althego> pong
L50[02:51:51] <JCB> delima...
L51[02:52:31] <JCB> little robotic lander
in a circular cargo bay.. or in faring off the top of the command
pod?
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L53[02:58:22] <JCB> geh.. or its just too
late to be think'n of stuffs
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L60[03:41:15] <Mathuin> Dragon's docking
with ISS soon, NASA Live has it online.
L61[03:41:24] <Mathuin> They reached the
200m point, next stop the 10m point.
L62[03:43:19] <Mathuin> It's amazing to
watch the light change as Dragon reorients. Very realistic, good
mods. :-)
L63[03:44:25] <Mathuin> There's a green
light on the spacecraft that's blinking long-short-short -- or D in
Morse code. Hee.
L65[03:46:45] <TheKosmonaut> Mathuin:
Thanks for the reminder :)
L66[03:46:56] <TheKosmonaut> Not that any
of you cretins read my /topic space >:(
L67[03:47:21] <Mathuin> Years ago it seems
there was a bot tracking stuff like this making
announcements.
L68[03:48:06] <TheKosmonaut>
Kountdown
L69[03:48:10] <TheKosmonaut> He's been put
to pasture
L70[03:48:22] <Mathuin> It happens, even to
the nicest of bots.
L71[03:48:57] <TheKosmonaut> The Nasa tv
guy looks like Kurt J Mac
L72[03:50:06] <TheKosmonaut> I wonder what
the fastest berthing/Docking was
L73[03:50:26] <Rolf> and still docked and
intact afterwards? ;)
L74[03:50:45] <Mathuin> Lots of holds. 200,
30, and then 10 apparently
L75[03:52:40] <Mathuin> TheKosmonaut:
Expedition 36 apparently took the fastest trip to the ISS, launch
to docking five hours 39 minutes.
L77[03:59:22] <TheKosmonaut> It makes it
nicer to tab in and out of for me
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L83[04:12:47] <TheKosmonaut> I know it
doesn't really matter, but I wish the Dragon were facing toward the
prograde vector
L84[04:13:03] <TheKosmonaut> I mean, it
matters for berthing
L85[04:14:55] <kuzetsa> prograde vector for
a dragon, must be a codename for a rocket or something
L86[04:15:45] <kuzetsa> ok (went further
into the scrollbuffer to get context)
L87[04:18:28] <kuzetsa> oooh, spacex
vehicle of some kind (watching the stream now - confirmed the
reference for sure hehe)
L88[04:18:56] <kuzetsa> dreamworks: how to
park a dragon
L89[04:23:24] <sandbox> the not dreamworks
collection
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L101[04:58:11] <Mathuin> See! Their claw
works fine!
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L110[06:20:35] <kmath> YouTube - Mannequin
Skywalker’s ride to space onboard Crew Capsule 2.0
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L112[06:20:56] <Althego> do i see a
curvatur there? :)
L113[06:21:04] <Rolf> wow large
windows
L114[06:21:09] <Rolf> try that in
60s
L115[06:22:43] <Rolf> I wonder of
transarent alum would ever happen (there is few ways but all not
very good)
L116[06:22:50] <Rolf> would make wonderful
winows.
L117[06:22:59] <Rolf> as strong as framing
etc which is also alum
L118[06:23:10] <Althego> i think there are
now better materials than metal for many purposes, probably
including windows
L119[06:23:14] <Rolf> Althego: noooo its
just... illusion. :P lol
L120[06:23:44] <Althego> anyway, nice
windows
L121[06:24:14] <Rolf> indeed
L122[06:24:44] <Althego> lol that rocket
shape
L124[06:24:49] <kmath> YouTube - Crew
Capsule 2.0 First Flight
L125[06:25:13] <Althego> 250k feet? that
is not space
L126[06:25:21] <Rolf> the module is...
roomy
L127[06:25:47] <Rolf> its like luxurity
compared to most space livable spaces
L128[06:25:56] <Althego> why didnt it land
with the rocket? maybe this was also testing its return
system
L129[06:26:11] <Althego> spacex is
currently ahead of them
L130[06:26:26] <TheKosmonaut> Althego:
they keep going
L131[06:26:27] <Althego> but they will
have the largest rocket engine. also based on methane loc
L132[06:26:39] <TheKosmonaut> But in this
case they only make 99.8 km or something like that too
L133[06:26:43] <TheKosmonaut> So not quite
space :P
L134[06:26:47] <Althego> i still want to
go into space at least once
L135[06:26:53] <Rolf> me too
L136[06:26:53] <Althego> i hope proces go
down in my lifetime
L137[06:27:00] <Rolf> ok who here does
not?
L138[06:27:03] <Mathuin> The wife has told
me I am not allowed until the kid reaches majority.
L139[06:27:08] <Althego> lol
L140[06:27:19] <Althego> majority? is your
child a democracy? :)
L141[06:27:34] <Rolf> parent task
L142[06:27:36] <Mathuin> She's eleven
months old, I can't do it until she turns eighteen.
L143[06:28:21] <Althego> i think this is
better than spaceshiptwo
L144[06:28:26] <Althego> bigger
windows
L145[06:28:29] <Althego> same
suborbital
L146[06:28:36] <Althego> less chance to go
wrong
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L149[06:32:31] <Mathuin> SpaceX CRS-13
berthing!
L150[06:33:08] <Althego> berthing charge
of x credits have been deducted
L151[06:37:07] <Althego> any mission
ideas?
L152[06:37:17] <Althego> that is the
hardest, coming up with missions
L153[06:40:40] <Blaank> Bring 10 tons of
ore from Eve's surface to Eeloo.
L154[06:41:09] <Althego> easy
L155[06:41:20] <Althego> you can refill on
gilly
L156[06:42:38] <Blaank> Getting 3 tons off
eve is a feat.
L157[06:42:49] <Rolf> make a plane
L158[06:42:53] <Rolf> air is super
dense
L159[06:43:08] <Althego> i returned a 3
person capsule once
L160[06:43:13] <Althego> i think that is
4.12t
L161[06:43:59] <Althego> and now that i
have infinite delta v props, i can rise with them to at least 10
km, from which it is lot easier to go into orbit
L162[06:44:38] <Rolf> Althego: know whats
funny?
L163[06:44:47] <Rolf> I had a cheater
motor, it was insanely powerfukl
L164[06:44:56] <Rolf> it couldnt take tiny
probe off eve
L165[06:45:05] <Rolf> drag was all kinds
of weird back then lol
L166[06:45:09] <Blaank> I did a 4 person
return.
L167[06:45:17] <Blaank> Mk1 on top of a
Mk3
L168[06:45:19] <Blaank> It was hell.
L169[06:45:24] <Althego> that is easier
than a 3 person, because less mass :)
L170[06:45:47] <Rolf> heh best I ever did
(no cheaty engine) was large probe to duna. well some of it, some
sensors computer and battery lol
L171[06:45:55] <Rolf> it wound down
battery and died
L173[06:47:35] <Rolf> the last
starfighter
L174[06:47:42] <Blaank> That is
technically an SSTO if you don't jettison empty stages.
L175[06:48:00] <Blaank> Refuels on Mun,
Gilly, and Eve.
L176[06:48:14] <Blaank> Active entry to
Eve.
L177[06:48:22] <Blaank> Got to do a
suicide burn right or you explode.
L178[06:48:48] <Rolf> I used burn and
fall
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L180[06:49:10] <Blaank> It uses parachutes
but the entry will destroy it if you don't burn at the right
time.
L181[06:49:16] <Blaank> No heat
shields.
L183[06:49:45] <kmath> YouTube - A video
in which I attempt to land an SSTO on Duna but failed to do so on
multiple occasions
L184[06:49:59] <Althego> i would have
redesigned the ssto at this point
L185[06:50:00] <Blaank> Took 3 designs and
then about 6 hours of piloting to get it to Eve and back.
L186[06:50:31] <Blaank> The chutes are
modded.
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L189[06:52:39] <Althego> doesnt look
bad
L190[06:53:01] <Althego> just the usual
problem, whatever you do in ksp the wings need to be further
forward that looks natural
L191[06:53:49] <Blaank> That model is
actually stable throughout fuel usage.
L192[06:53:55] <Blaank> I had several
failed designs.
L193[06:54:38] <Rolf> I usually set flight
center to slightly back and top of cenetr mass
L194[06:55:07] <Blaank> Flight center? You
mean center of lift?
L195[06:55:19] <Rolf> yeah
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L198[06:55:48] <Blaank> CoM forward CoL is
the way to do it. Above you can get problems during rolls.
L199[06:56:17] <Rolf> I tend to not have
that problem
L200[06:56:39] <Rolf> but then I havent
played so logn air model changed since then
L201[06:56:56] <Rolf> poor snowflake will
never fly again
L202[06:56:57] <Althego> this remained
true
L203[06:57:07] <Althego>
infiniglied?
L204[06:57:21] <Rolf> yeah though my
design may have used drag to stabilize, dunno now
L205[06:57:29] <Rolf> snowflake exploits
that bug yeah
L206[06:57:48] <Rolf> over 3,000 in air
lol
L207[06:58:01] <Rolf> from flight alone,
reached 200,000 height
L208[06:58:18] <APlayer> Imagine you're a
snowflake, and you fall. And you fall. And you fall... And you
don't stop falling, because infiniglide
L209[06:58:37] <Rolf> never could get it
in orbit, its impossible, not surpising consider need more boost
while in space to never return to air.
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L211[06:59:02] <Japa> Is infiniglide still
a thing?
L212[06:59:04] <Blaank> Yeah, got to have
a second impulse to get orbit.
L213[06:59:10] <Blaank> Infiniglide is
dead
L214[06:59:15] <Japa> aw...
L215[06:59:35] <Rolf> heh my ion plane
dont work either, air is thinner
L216[06:59:43] <Japa> Had much fun putting
a billion tailfins on a single booster
L217[06:59:45] <Rolf> now it dont really
work, even as car
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L219[07:00:36] <APlayer> Whoa!! I just
wrote some demon code!
L220[07:00:58] <APlayer> So this booster
guides itself using lift to within 10 m accuracy onto the landing
pad
L221[07:01:10] <Rolf> nice
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L223[07:01:23] <APlayer> Then I have about
10 sec of suicide burn to actually land, and I just ran a first
test to use this burn to lower the error to +/- 1 m
L224[07:02:16] <APlayer> The booster is
like 50 m above the ground, error is 6 meters, and suddenly it
tilts to 45 deg. I think, okay, that's dead now... But it suddenly
tilts up again and lands smack dab into the center cross
L225[07:02:35] <APlayer> I'm proud now.
:D
L226[07:03:23] <APlayer> (It's weird,
though, because I limited it to 5 degree tilts...)
L227[07:03:30] <APlayer> Oh, woops
L228[07:03:49] <APlayer> 5 degrees means 5
degrees above the horizon. Well, that makes more sense now.
L229[07:09:00] <Althego> hehe
L231[07:10:29] <Rolf> extremely rich
meal
L232[07:10:41] <Rolf> im pretty sure
feathers would protect against stings?
L233[07:10:51] <APlayer> Savage.
L234[07:11:01] <Fluburtur> yeah feathers
are probably enough
L235[07:11:04] <Mat2ch> nom nom
L237[07:11:53] <Althego> saw this
alreadty
L238[07:12:06] <APlayer> LOL
L239[07:12:13] <Althego> it is because of
the white band on his cluthes
L240[07:12:26] <APlayer> Looks like part
of the frame
L241[07:12:36] <Rolf> Fluburtur: reminds
me where one lady seemed to be nude at party. it was really just
friend arm
L242[07:12:42] <Fluburtur> like the guy on
a boat that looks badly photoshoped because of a shaddow
L243[07:12:43] <APlayer> Should have
photoshopped it to have a different color and it would be
better
L246[07:13:20] <Althego> hehe
L247[07:13:21] <Rolf> before I post, this
is NOT actually nude.
L248[07:13:34] <Rolf> drat url includes
that word
L249[07:13:43] <APlayer> Still suggestive
probably, if you need to warn people
L250[07:13:45] <Althego> like the girl in
the bathtub was censored by fb. her elbow was visible :)
L251[07:14:14] <APlayer> Rolf: May I see
the picture before you send it?
L252[07:14:24] <Rolf> a second
L253[07:14:50] <Rolf> fine uploading it so
it dont have that word in url
L254[07:15:11] <Blaank> make sure to save
full res image
L255[07:15:28] <Blaank> Nothing like
tumblr downscaling to destroy data
L256[07:15:41] <Rolf> msg
L258[07:15:56] <Blaank> The full sized
image is unlinked and you have to do data at the start and raw at
the end
L259[07:16:10] <Rolf> so APlayer is it
okay lol
L260[07:16:54] <Rolf> no post sorry
guys
L261[07:17:03] <Blaank> ??
L262[07:17:07] <Blaank> Elbows are banned
now?
L263[07:17:30] <Rolf> Blaank: it is..very
close to looking like real nudity
L264[07:17:37] <Rolf> even though its just
arm lol
L265[07:17:38] <APlayer> Sorry to be a
spoilsport guys, I suggest Rolf to PM the picture to people if they
request it
L266[07:17:50] <Althego> i want it
:)
L267[07:18:01] <Blaank> So looking like
something is bad enough to make it something now?
L268[07:18:16] <Althego> lol
L269[07:18:18] <Rolf> sure when kids is
concerned its pretty sensive thing
L270[07:18:31] <Fluburtur> rockets look
like another thing then
L271[07:18:50] <Althego> especially the
the new shepard with crew capsule 2.0 :)
L272[07:19:04] <APlayer> Speaking of
rockets, anyone heard of the Electron thingy?
L273[07:19:12] <Althego> yes
L274[07:19:22] <Althego> i think it failed
last time?
L275[07:19:56] <APlayer> It had to abort
because of unplanned LOS the first time, and they postponed the
second time now
L276[07:20:18] <Althego> at least the
engine works
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L279[07:23:31] <APlayer> Heh, no exploding
engines for you today :P
L280[07:23:46] <Rolf> but how about
exploding kittens? heh
L281[07:23:51] <APlayer> Nope
L282[07:23:52] <Rolf> love that card
game
L283[07:24:02] <APlayer> Not sure what you
mean
L284[07:24:17] <Rolf> you dont know
exploding kittens game? its heck of fun game
L285[07:25:32] <APlayer> Just googled
it... Not my taste
L286[07:26:23] <Rolf> other one is joking
hazard. not kids game though (dirty jokes is possible)
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L288[07:35:32] <APlayer> Humm, I've been
planning to get outside and get a few nice images of the town with
snowy roofs, but for some reason, the weather is absolutely cloudy
at least 80% of the time, and the temperature is around 0 - 5 °C,
so whenever the sun gets out, the snow melts off within an hour
tops
L289[07:35:52] <APlayer> Looks like I am
out of luck this year, if not for the whole season
L290[07:36:15] <Rolf> it havent snowed
here
L291[07:36:31] <Rolf> rain and snow is
much more rare than it used to be here :(
L292[07:36:54] <APlayer> We've had a
whopping 10 cm a week ago
L293[07:37:19] <Rolf> normal west
washington weather for fall to spring is rain 3 to 5 times a
week
L294[07:37:20] <APlayer> Or was it two
weeks ago, even? Not sure, I kind of lost track of time now
L295[07:37:29] <Rolf> we had very heavy 2
weeks then nothing since
L296[07:38:28] <APlayer> Yeah, right
before this snow season we've had like a month straight of rain.
For the last two months, I've only seen the sun four days, plus a
few hours cumulative on other days
L297[07:38:56] <APlayer> It's
terrible
L298[07:39:26] <Rolf> here cloudy or sunny
isnt too bad but also terrible because no snow for mountains
L299[07:39:45] <Rolf> we used to have
rains few times a month in summers also but that stopped decades
ago
L300[07:40:02] <Rolf> I miss bicycling in
rain in summer. it never happens ever now
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L304[08:10:04] <Althego> a mission idea
please
L305[08:10:52] <Mat2ch> To the Moon and
back in under an hour.
L306[08:11:02] <Althego> not even scott
can do that lol
L307[08:11:08] <Althego> at least not in
his videos
L308[08:11:26] <Mat2ch> I didn't say
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L310[08:11:28] <APlayer> Around the solar
system in 80 days
L311[08:11:37] <Althego> lol
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L313[08:13:29] <APlayer> On a more serious
note: Phobos-Grunt replica
L314[08:13:43] <APlayer> I've yet to see
such a thing in KSP
L315[08:13:53] <Althego> didnt that
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L317[08:14:10] <APlayer> It did, but let's
have an inaccuracy in the replica regarding that
L318[08:14:12] <APlayer> :P
L319[08:20:05] <APlayer> So, what did you
decide to do?
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L343[10:02:38] <darsie> The RTG delivers
0.75 EC/s. In the datasheet it's rounded up to 0.8.
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L346[10:12:11] <APlayer> Lost a mission to
that?
L347[10:13:22] <darsie> no
L349[10:14:31] <darsie> I couldn't land on
Eeloo cause I didn't have enough EC. Now I'm trying to calculate
what I need.
L350[10:14:54] <darsie> Instead of
eyeballing it.
L351[10:15:11] <darsie> Already doubled EC
but still failed.
L352[10:16:42] <darsie> Dawn produces 1006
N at 0.72 EC/s. Max is 2000 N at 8.74 EC/s.
L353[10:17:46] <darsie> So electrically it
gets much more efficient at low thrust, but fuel use is
proportional, I assume.
L354[10:18:04] <darsie> Assuming constant
4200 Isp.
L355[10:19:13] <darsie> Hmm, so two RTGs
should produce less than double thrust. Must, cause it won't go to
2012 N.
L356[10:22:24] <darsie> I'll use more
battery. It's more fuel efficient to slow down "fast"
than having slightly more thrust than gravity.
L357[10:38:38] <APlayer> darsie: From
personal experience, unless you use NFT you're not getting far with
ion engines and batteries
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L359[10:39:13] <Fluburtur> well, time to
desing a rc canadair
L361[10:39:34] <Fluburtur> I have yet to
decide between flaps or differencial thrust however
L362[10:39:49] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: you
totally should build a plane that's like that drone
L363[10:40:11] <Fluburtur> no
L364[10:40:15] <Fluburtur> seaplanes are
fun
L365[10:40:21] <Fluburtur> and I already
have a bunch of wings
L367[10:40:57] <kmath> YouTube - DSC
8077
L368[10:40:59] <Mat2ch> but not one with
no moving surfaces!
L369[10:41:23] <Mat2ch> That's a huge
one
L370[10:41:41] <Fluburtur> im not such a
hipster tp return to the early days of flying when you had to twist
the wings
L371[10:41:53] <Fluburtur> eh only 1.2
meter of wingspan
L372[10:41:59] <Fluburtur> but it looks
very stubby
L373[10:42:50] <Mat2ch> it's not about
twisting wings. It's about placing a small compressor on the plane
and pumping air into pockets to manipulate the air around the plane
;)
L374[10:43:29] <Fluburtur> eh I guess
that's clever
L375[10:43:30] <darsie> APlayer: I'm
getting to and landing on Eeloo, that's far enough for me ;).
L376[10:43:37] <Mat2ch> and autofocus is a
bad thing for something that small
L377[10:43:52] <darsie> APlayer: Ahh, not
batteries alone, sure. I have an RTG.
L378[10:43:56] <Fluburtur> yeah but manual
focus is a bit hard
L379[10:44:08] <Fluburtur> or I could use
my full manual lenses but those have no zoom
L380[10:44:21] <darsie> APlayer: But yeah,
batteries deplete quickly, so nothing for deep gravity wells.
L381[10:44:43] <APlayer> I mean that ion
engines use so much EC that unless your battery is extremely large,
you can only make rather limited burns on them, in burst mode
L382[10:45:10] <APlayer> Kerbin to Eeloo
is like, what 2 km/s?
L383[10:45:12] <darsie> I now have 3200
EC.
L384[10:45:19] <APlayer> The ejection
burn
L385[10:45:25] <Althego> must be
more
L386[10:45:32] <Althego> because jool is
almsot 2k
L387[10:45:48] <darsie> Yeah, it's
burst-recharge sequences.
L388[10:45:51] <APlayer> 2.5 km/s, let's
say
L389[10:45:52] <darsie> a few
L390[10:46:06] <Althego> and dont forget
the circularization burn, which is also a lot for eeloo
L391[10:46:27] <Althego> and you dont have
uch time for it
L392[10:46:29] <darsie> I was there with
enough Xe left. Only had too little EC for landing.
L393[10:46:55] <APlayer> You may calculate
how long such a maneuver takes using Tsiolkovski, I guess Kerbin
ejection is the worst of the four. And then you know how much EC
you need per burn
L394[10:47:14] <APlayer> Don't forget to
account for the RTG charging the batteries even as you burn
L395[10:47:37] <darsie> I'm done
calculating. I eyeballed it again. This time it'll be enough.
L396[10:47:38] <Althego> anything
interesting on eeloo now?
L397[10:47:45] <darsie> Althego: no.
L398[10:47:49] <Althego> too bad
L399[10:47:58] <darsie> I have all the
tech already.
L400[10:48:15] <darsie> Lots of ice and
some soil.
L401[10:48:28] <Althego> i meant something
new i havent seen
L402[10:48:29] <darsie> Probably frozen
N2.
L403[10:48:37] <Althego> like new easter
egg or something
L404[10:48:43] <darsie> I could scan for
anomalies.
L405[10:48:56] <darsie> I found a ? once,
but couldn't find what caused it.
L406[10:49:16] <APlayer> Science! Let's do
actual science in KSP!
L407[10:49:40] <Althego> probably a green
monolith
L408[10:49:45] <Althego> every planet has
one
L409[10:49:48] <darsie> I'll fly now
...
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L415[11:00:08] <Fluburtur> someone made a
video called "gopro karma killer" but the gopro karma was
never any good
L416[11:00:13] <Fluburtur> can't beat DJI
man
L417[11:04:29] <sandbox> You've lost
Karma!
L419[11:04:55] <Althego> lol
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L421[11:05:26] <APlayer> Titled "Has
science gone too far?". Top comment: "I thought fidget
spinners were a dead meme"
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L437[11:47:54] <Althego> lol
L438[11:48:00] <Althego> i thought it
would do something
L439[11:48:16] <Alanonzander> it does, it
burns power :P
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L445[12:08:40] <Blaank> Why so many
batteries?
L446[12:09:07] <Althego> ion
L447[12:10:09] <Blaank> Having dead weight
batteries to burst ion is easier than having more power
generation?
L448[12:10:28] <Blaank> Wow, nearly ran
out of electric charge anyway.
L449[12:10:36] <Blaank> I've never used
ion.
L450[12:10:56] <Mathuin> I toyed with
xenon but it's just too pricey.
L451[12:10:56] <Blaank> So what's the
point of that probe?
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L456[12:20:32] <darsie> Blaank: Just to
fly to Eeloo and land.
L457[12:20:35] <darsie> Not
contract.
L458[12:20:45] <Blaank> So no point.
L459[12:20:51] <darsie> It's a game.
L460[12:21:00] <Blaank> Ok, it was horsing
around.
L461[12:21:01] <darsie> What's the point
of it?
L462[12:21:08] <Blaank> What is the point
of life?
L463[12:21:26] <darsie> To procreate and
extinct all other species.
L464[12:22:22] <Blaank> Technically the
meaning of life is the survival of your own species.
L465[12:22:41] <Alanonzander> 42
L466[12:22:57] <Blaank> If you consider
each distinct species an organism, it becomes a lot more clear why
supposedly dead end genetics can still contribute to species
survival as a whole.
L467[12:23:10] <darsie> I'll fly to Eeloo
again with sensors, just in case a contract for it pops up
...
L468[12:23:34] <Alanonzander> also it
gives you a target to land at :P
L469[12:23:52] <darsie> No, I'll fly
first.
L470[12:24:00] <darsie> Then maybe a
contract pops up.
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L474[12:26:52] <darsie> Blaank: I'd need
11 RTGs or so to power the Dawn. The batteries are much
lighter.
L475[12:31:44] <darsie> Or fuel cells and
an Oscar B tank, but the Oscar alone has 225 kg or so.
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L479[12:46:50] <Blaank> holy crap xenon is
expensive
L480[12:47:17] <Althego> and not
minable
L481[12:47:19] <Blaank> 22k for the tank,
21k for the xenon
L482[12:47:37] <Blaank> wait, 1k for the
tank
L483[12:48:55] <Blaank> 2 RTG + 1000 EC.
Sound good enough?
L484[12:49:18] <Alanonzander> you harvest
xenon from gas giant planets
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L486[12:55:54] <Blaank> Well I have a
probe now with 14.8 km/s dV with fully recoverable science.
L487[12:55:59] <Blaank> Where will that
get me?
L488[12:56:02] <Blaank> from LKO
L489[12:57:31] <Althego> anywhere
L490[12:57:31] *
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down the list. Hangs head in hands and cries.
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L492[12:57:41] <Althego> hehe
L493[12:57:50] <Blaank> Guess what alt + F
I got to.
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L497[13:00:41] <UmbralRaptor> 0100
L498[13:01:11] <Alanonzander> Blaank:
alt-F4
L499[13:01:15] <Blaank> yep
L500[13:01:41] <Alanonzander> I have that
re-mapped (on linux) to Ctl-Alt-F4
L501[13:01:54] <Alanonzander> much harder
to mess up
L502[13:02:23] <Blaank> Does xenon not
travel through fuel pipes?
L503[13:03:23] <Blaank> Oh, alt+12 was
right. Cheat menu was in there
L504[13:03:28] <Blaank> I passed it
thinking it was a log view
L505[13:04:41] <Alanonzander> Blaank: it
does
L506[13:06:32] <Blaank> Jesus, the dawn is
anemic
L507[13:08:06] <Blaank> And holy balls
that electric drain
L508[13:09:20] <UmbralRaptor> Uh
L509[13:09:47] <UmbralRaptor> Are you
playing with a realism mod?
L510[13:10:09] <Althego> the dawn is still
a lot more powerful than real eion engines
L511[13:10:31] <Althego> i think the
highest thrust was 5 newton or something
L512[13:10:44] <UmbralRaptor> The Dawn's
TWR is something like 3-5 orders of magnitude higher than real
ions.
L514[13:11:16] <Althego> 5.4 N
L515[13:12:10] <UmbralRaptor> Meanwhile,
the Dawn puts out 2000 N.
L516[13:12:15] <Blaank> jeeeeesus
L517[13:12:47] <Althego> normally an ion
thruster makes thrust like the weight of a paper
L518[13:12:59] <Althego> say A4
L519[13:13:05] <Althego> or letter for
US
L520[13:13:12] <UmbralRaptor> "It's
heavy — 500 pounds [227 kilograms]. It's almost a meter in
diameter,"
L521[13:13:59] <UmbralRaptor> ;c
5.4/227
L522[13:14:00] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
0.02378854625550661
L523[13:14:12] <UmbralRaptor> ;c
2000/250
L524[13:14:12] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
8.0
L525[13:14:32] <UmbralRaptor> ;c
8/(5.4/227)
L526[13:14:33] <kmath> UmbralRaptor:
336.29629629629625
L527[13:14:48] <UmbralRaptor> Okay, only
2.5 orders of magnitude.
L528[13:15:29] <Althego> but thereason i
dont use the ions because they are infeasible for normal gameplay
for anything but the tiniest loads. and where i would need it the
most, around jool, i lose delta v by adding huge solars panels i
need there. so it is good for a tiny probe to duna, but that does
not require lot delta v anywya
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L530[13:16:32] <Blaank> I really don't
want to fly this dumb probe. 0.06 TWR.
L531[13:16:40] <Blaank> 160k cost
L532[13:16:45] <Althego> exactly
L533[13:16:46] <Blaank> 14.8 km/s dV
L534[13:16:53] <Althego> decrease delta
v
L535[13:17:05] <Blaank> 9km, why not use
chemical?
L536[13:17:17] <UmbralRaptor> I suppose
they have some value for Moho (and to a lesser extent Dres)
L537[13:17:17] <Blaank> 9.5 km/s
L538[13:17:18] <Althego> and by the time
you get to usable twr levels, you are around the point of using a
chemical engie
L539[13:17:25] <Althego> no, not
really
L540[13:17:25] <Blaank> 0.08 TWR
L541[13:17:33] <Althego> you cant break
around moho with this
L542[13:17:36] <Althego> not fast
enough
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L544[13:17:41] <Althego> you overshoot the
planet
L545[13:17:51] <Mat2ch> Not if flown
right
L546[13:17:56] <Althego> and they are
increadibly cheaty compared to reality
L547[13:17:58] <Blaank> jumbo 64 with a
poodle is 6 km/s
L548[13:18:05] <Blaank> 0.66 TWR
L549[13:18:08] <Althego> so no, i dont use
ions, ever
L550[13:18:20] <Althego> i can still use
nukes even after the mass increase
L551[13:18:24] <oren> 30x ion
cluster
L552[13:18:27] <Blaank> You'd need to do a
slowdown pass by Eve or something.
L553[13:18:29] <Mat2ch> if you don't do a
direct transfer to Moho, but a catch-up, it is enough
L554[13:18:30] <Althego> they are good for
around 0.2 twr
L555[13:18:37] <Mat2ch> although it will
be painfully long burns
L556[13:18:38] <Althego> and i dont go
lower than 0.1
L557[13:18:47] <Blaank> lower than 0.1 is
unbearable.
L558[13:18:57] <Althego> those work good
around jool
L559[13:19:47] <JCB> hmm.. downside of
ions, no way to refuel insitue
L560[13:19:57] <JCB> unless you bring a
seperate tank...
L561[13:20:03] <Althego> not really a
concern in real life
L562[13:20:08] <Althego> nobody has done
that
L563[13:20:30] <Blaank> 9.6 km/s with
chemical engines is cheaper with higher TWR
L564[13:20:35] <Althego> yes
L565[13:20:37] <Blaank> Much much much
more mass to haul into orbit, though
L566[13:20:46] <Blaank> 190 tons vs
3
L567[13:20:59] <oren> JCB you can get
xenon at venus or titan the same way we get it ast earth
L568[13:21:04] <Althego> rocket size
scales with payload mass in a linear fashion
L569[13:21:10] <Althego> so doesnt really
matter that much
L570[13:21:18] <Blaank> I thought it was
exponential
L571[13:21:22] <Althego> for delta v
L572[13:21:43] <JCB> oren ya but...
though, we talk'n in-game or real life here?
L573[13:22:03] <JCB> in-game: anyone done
light gas refinery stuff?
L574[13:22:05] <Althego> but to lko you
need the same amount of delta v. and for the heavier chemical
mission payload the rocket will be heavier linearly
L575[13:22:18] <Blaank> Imma derp and
forgot to properly asparagus this. I have more dv out of chemical
than ion for less cost and more TWR. No way can I get 14 km/s out
of chemical, though.
L576[13:22:20] <oren> in game I have a mod
with a cryogenic centrfuge
L577[13:22:38] <Althego> but you dont need
14k
L578[13:22:39] <oren> works anywhere with
an atmosphere
L579[13:22:47] <Althego> there is nothing
that warrants ut
L580[13:22:50] <Blaank> 0.64 TWR is
completely reasonable
L581[13:23:38] <oren> but right now all my
missions are using mostly LFO mine from the mun
L582[13:23:46] <Blaank> 11 km/s with 0.19
TWR for much much cheaper
L583[13:23:59] <Blaank> Now it's going to
turn like a cow flying a bathtub.
L584[13:24:09] <Blaank> The power of
NERV
L585[13:24:26] <Blaank> Also may catch
fire
L586[13:24:44] <Althego> i wish we had
some better propulsion. i want to see a mars landing
L587[13:24:49] <Althego> manned i
mean
L588[13:24:51] <Blaank> Wow, doesn't turn
badly at all.
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L590[13:25:02] <Blaank> HECS2 is a
workhorse
L591[13:25:16] <Blaank> What is thermal
debug menu?
L592[13:26:05] <Althego> adds thermal data
to right click menus
L593[13:26:12] <Althego> heat flux,
temperature, and such
L594[13:26:22] <Blaank> found it
L595[13:26:31] <Althego> marginally useful
for high temperature vehicle testing
L596[13:26:45] <Blaank> I'm sure this is
going to overheat but may be before or after it runs out of
fuel.
L597[13:27:15] <Althego> i am thinking of
a laythe orbital station with a docked ssto to mine fuel
L598[13:27:32] <JCB> what was that new
generation ion plasma thruster thing... they were going to use it
for the ISS but it has to be done in pairs because of some kind of
torque twisting?
L599[13:27:37] <Althego> i normally dont
do stations
L600[13:27:45] <Althego> vasimr
L602[13:28:01] <oren> Mining fuel from
laythe isn't that good when you've got vall close by
L603[13:28:23] <Althego> but hets
L604[13:28:25] <Althego> jets
L605[13:28:31] <JCB> there was a mention
of it in a novel I read recently..
L606[13:28:54] <Blaank> SSTO with
airbreather is going to cut dV expendeture to orbit by a lot
L607[13:29:07] <JCB> Red Thunder I
think.... one of the spacecraft going to Mars was powered by it but
something went wrong and it blew up..
L608[13:30:01] <Althego> i havent heard of
this
L610[13:30:07] <Althego> diamond
superlaser
L611[13:30:09] <Althego> soudns so
cool
L612[13:30:10] <oren> hmmm,that's true,
but does it beat having low gravity? vall is similar to gilly isn't
it
L613[13:30:21] <Althego> no
L614[13:30:29] <Althego> vall is a normall
moon
L615[13:30:42] <Althego> quite low
grad
L616[13:30:45] <Althego> grav
L617[13:30:58] <oren> oh I guess I meant
bop then
L618[13:31:10] <oren> stupid me
L619[13:31:11] <Althego> vall has the
<exounged>
L620[13:31:18] <Althego> so it is
interesting on its own
L621[13:31:56] <Althego> but i imagine it
as a base around laythe for further settlement
L622[13:37:08] <Althego> and i already
visited <expunged>
L625[13:46:04] <JCB> Oren nice.. tested
out some cargo drop pods myself in the past...
L626[13:46:40] <oren> JCB: this is going
to kerbin orbit from the mun
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L628[13:48:12] <JCB> ya I was doing most
of my tests in kerbin orbit too..
L629[13:48:36] <JCB> something of a little
idea I had floating around in my head...
L630[13:48:42] <APlayer> "High power
lasers are also needed in space applications including [...]
tackling the growing space junk problem that threatens
satellites,"
L631[13:48:50] *
APlayer is interested
L632[13:49:11] <APlayer> ...so we could
potentially deal with space junk by simply evaporating it?
L633[13:49:16] <JCB> mm.. or possibly in
use for fusion reactors
L634[13:49:41] <Althego> wouldnt it turn
back into solid eventually?
L635[13:50:03] <JCB> lol.. turn all our
junk into another moon?
L636[13:50:05] <Althego> even the iss has
sandblasting like erosion on it because of the fine dust from space
debris
L637[13:50:08] <APlayer> Althego: Well,
that'd not happen soon
L638[13:50:38] <Althego> the only solution
is to wait until it clears and not put more into space
L639[13:50:44] <APlayer> It's an
interesting thing to ponder about, anyway
L640[13:50:52] <JCB> stick defelectors on
the ISS... can be either like something you'd use on your car, or
ala star trek style
L641[13:51:15] <APlayer> Also, I guess
space gas deorbits faster than space junk
L642[13:51:15] <Althego> what is that
light? we are losing a deflector shield
L643[13:52:03] <lordcirth> I thought the
lasering was to cause explosive ablation, changing the object's
course? For the large ones at least
L644[13:52:22] <JCB> actually, I think
they just use a few layers of kevlar blankets, with a bit of an
airspace between them.. doesn't take much to disrupt fine
particles.. bigger things though might be more of a problem
L645[13:53:10] <JCB> you could try to vap
large space objects, trouble is trying to detect them and
track..
L646[13:53:58] <APlayer> Well, they do
have to avoid stuff occasionally
L647[13:54:03] <JCB> then again... our
airports recently got new tech that can scan the runway and pick up
on things as small as a bolt... but thats still pretty close
ranged
L648[13:54:19] <APlayer> If they had a
laser to evaporate things before they hit, that would solve a great
deal of problems
L649[13:54:45] <APlayer> JCB: Are those
things called, by any chance, metal detectors? :P
L650[13:55:07] <JCB> now.. they talk'n
about debris of what size... full sized components or we thinking
more stuff thats broken off, smaller, fist.. finger sized..
L651[13:55:32] <JCB> APlayer actually
no...
L652[13:56:01] <JCB> its a form of
radar... stuff doesn't have to be metal to be picked up. Its
detected other stuff, not just metal. It uses a form of radar
L653[13:56:18] <JCB> that sits on a mast
on the sides of the runway at regular intervals
L654[13:56:25] <tawny> huh
L655[13:56:29] <tawny> must be very well
calibrated
L656[13:56:42] <APlayer> So I guess you
could shine a laser beam or so parallel to the runway surface and
see if anything obstructs it up to the other end?
L657[13:57:19] <tawny> that'd only work if
you had a very very flat runway which tends to be the case a lot
less than you want it to
L659[13:57:58] <APlayer> You may do it
across the short side, would have to move it more
L660[13:58:01] <JCB> uses milimeter band
of radar
L661[13:58:51] <APlayer> Also, would a
bolt-sized object really cause trouble for a plane?
L662[13:59:56] <tawny> depends
L663[14:00:25] <tawny> how small or heavy
is your plane, what condition are your tires in, what angle is the
bolt sticking up at, etc
L664[14:01:27] <tawny> it also depends on
if the object is heavy enough to stay on the runway
L665[14:01:34] <tawny> or if it's going to
get pulled into a turbine
L666[14:01:39] <tawny> and THAT would
definitely ruin someone's day
L667[14:01:45] <APlayer> At most I can
imagine it getting flung into the plane or tire retraction
mechanism or so and causing damage depending on kinetic
energy
L668[14:02:49] <APlayer> Well, not sure
how large the suction is at the turbines, but I guess smaller
objects are more of a threat there than bolt-sized ones
L669[14:03:06] <JCB> lol.. found the
article that talks about when it was installed at our local
airport. A world's first...
L670[14:03:22] <JCB> system was too
sensitive, it was reporting 4" stalk of grass..
L671[14:04:17] <JCB> says it could pick up
a 2" object from 1000 meters out..
L672[14:04:33] <tawny> oh wow
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L674[14:04:40] <JCB> generally you don't
want anything on the runway, a bolt can blow a tire quite
easily...
L675[14:05:01] <JCB> or it can kick it up
into the wing with enough force to punch a hole in the aircraft
skin.
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L677[14:05:08] <APlayer> Wouldn't sweeping
a laser from a tower and looking for unusual reflections do the
job, though?
L678[14:05:40] <JCB> think the idea is to
not use lasers... there's already a big concern of reflections
hitting pilots
L679[14:06:03] <APlayer> Uh, I mean before
the aircraft actually launches :P
L680[14:06:16] <APlayer> Also, UV lasers
are a think too?
L681[14:06:21] <APlayer> thing*
L682[14:06:35] <JCB> the idea with radar
is you can shoot out a wide beam, see what comes back
L683[14:07:02] <APlayer> Yeah, but it
sounds so terribly unnecessarily complicated
L684[14:07:14] <JCB> laser, you having to
watch for a very fine point of light... sometimes its not easy to
do with certain kinds of conditions
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L686[14:07:29] <JCB> also, not everything
will return laser light
L687[14:08:04] <tawny> also it sounds like
you could use this system while planes are using other runways,
maybe
L688[14:08:05] <APlayer> If you do let's
say a map of how the runway looks when clean, you should get an
alarm whenever some spot looks unusual
L689[14:08:07] <tawny> which is
ideal
L690[14:08:21] <JCB> lol.. what was it
Clarkson said in Top Gear.... cars that use lasers to wipe off rain
from the windows... egh..
L691[14:08:40] <APlayer> Ah, other runways
might be a concern
L692[14:09:12] <APlayer> So, still, let's
say the laser uses UV
L693[14:09:22] <JCB> our airport has two
runways that run parellel... then a third that crosses over. There
are 4 of the detection systems setup that work together
L694[14:09:30] <APlayer> Or IR, but IIRC
IR lasers cannot be focused as well
L695[14:10:09] <APlayer> And that's a
thing I couldn't ever understand too. Why make runways cross each
other?
L696[14:10:44] <tawny> I think it's
usually because of land constraints
L697[14:10:56] <JCB> we also tend to get a
lot of rain here... I think anything, ir, laser, radar (milimeter
band) will get a little jammed up with some of our downpours
here
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L699[14:11:04] <APlayer> Could make them
parallel in the worst case scenario?
L700[14:11:29] <JCB> we originally had two
runways here.. the main long one, and a cross one..
L701[14:11:30] <tawny> airports like to
have runways that point in different directions
L702[14:11:47] <JCB> the smaller cross one
was meant for smaller aircraft, since they can't handle major cross
winds..
L703[14:11:49] <tawny> I'm not clear on
why exactly that is, though, because it doesn't seem to save all
that much fuel
L704[14:11:58] <APlayer> The thing that
confuses me is, if the crossing runway is used, the other ones need
to be on holf
L705[14:12:01] <APlayer> hold*
L706[14:12:24] <JCB> you can still use
both... its just in the timing
L707[14:12:34] <JCB> long as you leave
enough space for wake turblance
L708[14:12:36] <APlayer> Sounds not very
safe
L709[14:12:59] <JCB> realize, tower
control has been doing this for decades, people are very skilled,
know what htey are doing.
L710[14:13:35] <tawny> "Often you
will see crossing runways perpendicular to each other. This ensures
that any landing aircraft only needs to handle a 45 degree
quartering headwind given any possible wind direction."
L711[14:13:36] <tawny> ahhhh
L712[14:13:38] <tawny> that does make
sense
L713[14:13:46] <JCB> fortunately, our
airport isn't as crazy busy as some of the others down south...
busy ya, but not stupid crazy
L714[14:13:46] <APlayer> Well, as a person
who is mentally used to seeing launch pads evacuate for a several
kilometer radius a few hours before a rocket launch... :P
L715[14:14:44] <JCB> aircraft are given a
certain amount of clearance, airspace to themselves, it varies
depending on what htey are doing. landing, take off,
cruiseing..
L716[14:16:00] <JCB> actually, the way we
have things setup here.. one runway is set for arrivals, the other
departures. The cross runway for regional craft out of the south
terminal
L717[14:16:48] <JCB> there is also a kind
of unofficial runway for take-offs which is actually a wide taxi
way close to the regional terminal that runs parellel to the older
main runway
L718[14:16:51] <APlayer> On the other
hand, I don't think there was a mid-air/landing/takeoff collision
between aircraft in a whole while
L719[14:17:04] <JCB> but its only used
during specific weather and wind conditions.
L720[14:18:47] <JCB> there was one in sask
a few days ago, shortly after take off, but think everyone made it
out safe
L721[14:19:15] <APlayer> Flight controller
got fired?
L724[14:21:07] <Althego> saskatchewan.
sounds like some kind of alien race
L725[14:21:16] <JCB> Centeral
Canada...
L726[14:21:29] <Althego> captain, the
saskatchewan cruiser has fired two torpedoes at us!
L727[14:22:05] <JCB> actually, even being
in Canada, its kind of odd we don't hear much out of there.. most
of it is flat, and farm lands
L728[14:22:34] <JCB> then again, so is
much of Canada east of Calgary till you get around Ontario
L729[14:22:43] <APlayer> Althego: No, two
super-lasers
L730[14:24:39] <JCB> ugh.. ion
canons
L731[14:28:17] <Althego> ion cannon
charging TZZZZT low power
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L733[14:29:12] <JCB> well if they did
work, chances are it would scramble your electronics ...
L734[14:29:51] <JCB> police already
looking at a form of high powered dual band focused EM emiters to
jam car electronics
L735[14:31:01] <Althego> just put an
official backdoor into the car. there are many unofficial ones
already
L736[14:31:11] <APlayer> I really like
this police thing that jams your wheels by spreading toilet paper
all over the place :D
L737[14:31:11] <Althego> i mean it is full
of holes
L738[14:31:19] <tawny> why would you want
to jam car electronics
L739[14:31:21] <Mathuin> I thought cops
had these already, little RC cars with exploding EMP devices on
them
L740[14:31:26] <Mathuin> To force people
to pull over
L741[14:31:26] <tawny> that sounds like a
very good way to cause accidents very quickly
L743[14:32:07] <Althego> not old diesels
:)
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L745[14:32:16] <Althego> you can emp that
however long you want :)
L746[14:32:33] <JCB> mm... good ol Land
Ranger
L747[14:32:38] <JCB> or what was that
other one..
L748[14:33:02] <JCB> two wire diesel
engine
L749[14:33:14] <JCB> ... ah right, Power
Wagon
L750[14:33:38] <Althego> haha i see so
even the iss people have to dock sometimes in the dark
L751[14:33:48] <Althego> i have to do that
most of the time
L752[14:33:49] <Althego> somehow
L754[14:33:52] <kmath> YouTube - Grappler
Police Bumper vehicle arrest system
L755[14:34:26] <Althego> nice idea
L756[14:34:29] <JCB> actually with cars
becoming near super computers on wheels, I'm finding it a bit
scary.. think I"ll just stick to my pre 1990's pickup truck,
thanks.
L757[14:34:29] <Althego> havent seen that
one
L758[14:35:33] <Althego> what i like in
the iss arm is that it can move around the station, because both
ends are the same with grip and power connecto
L759[14:36:05] <JCB> brought to you buy..
Canada ;)
L760[14:36:46] <JCB> what gets me...
robotic arm.. never call it the Canadarm.. like.. we don't get any
recognition too?
L761[14:36:50] <Althego> even in shadowrun
quebec is a separate country :)
L762[14:37:04] <Althego> i know it is
caled that
L763[14:37:18] <JCB> Quebec nearly got its
way... thing is, if they did, they'd be sooooo ruined.
L764[14:37:41] <Althego> but even the
space shuttle had canadarm
L765[14:37:55] <JCB> ya.. they still
called it the robotic arm..
L766[14:38:31] <APlayer> So that pickup
with the trailer on it just needs a "release trailer"
button to escape the police :P
L767[14:39:15] <Althego> maybe a non
technological "bribe maneuver" is possible too :)
L768[14:39:38] <JCB> meh.. just slam him
off the highway, if he hits a tree, so much the better?
L769[14:39:40] <Althego> hehe i remember
in elite 2 you could try to bribe the police. sometimes it worked
:)
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L771[14:40:45] <JCB> mind you.. people
here too much of an idiot to drive properly.. kids racing down the
highway, sometimes throw themselves off when taking too sharp a
turn
L772[14:41:14] <APlayer> Welcome to German
highways with no speed limit whatsoever
L773[14:41:46] <JCB> we so rarely get car
chases here as it is... and for the ones we do, police just hang
back while the helo tails them from the air
L774[14:41:58] <APlayer> I've got to say,
it's pretty well organized and civil, though. Never heard of huge
drama, and bigger accidents are not too common
L775[14:42:29] <JCB> ya but if anything
goes wrong, its a bigger punishment
L776[14:42:53] <JCB> then again... driving
too slow would have your permit on those highways revoked
L777[14:43:11] <APlayer> That is, despite
no speed limit on highways in many places, I don't think there are
many accidents due to lacking speed control and never heard of a
car chase at all
L778[14:43:22] <JCB> top gear tried doing
a segment on it... trouble was, they kept running into road
construction
L779[14:44:23] <APlayer> What I did see
though were holes punched through roof mounted transporation boxes
by not properly secured equipment after sudden braking or
acceleration
L780[14:44:29] <JCB> what I find stupid
here, they did bump the speed up a bit, but it was mountain
highway.. 120km up a steep hill.. with trucks having to go at a
crawl in one or two of three lanes.
L781[14:45:19] <APlayer> Also, the rules
are rather clever, there is rarely if ever a single car blocking
passage for a faster one
L782[14:45:32] <JCB> think its the same
speed limit when snow hits... so you have guys in 4x4 high centered
pickup trucks with snow machines on the back, trying to race up the
hill, blowing black crap out the back
L783[14:45:59] <APlayer> You've got to
drive in the left lane and only use the right one for passing other
cars
L784[14:46:01] <JCB> ya.. we have passing
inside lanes, cruising outside
L785[14:46:18] <APlayer> Uh, I mixed up
left and right there, LOL
L786[14:46:21] <JCB> trouble is.. even
when you trying to pass someone, you get someone a foot at your
bumper trying to rush past you too
L787[14:46:31] <APlayer> Yeah, cruising
outside, passing inside
L788[14:46:44] <APlayer> Nope, never
experienced that
L789[14:47:08] <JCB> I've had to pass a
few people going slow, only to pull to the side to have some idiot
floor it, wanting to swerve around traffic, just so they can take
that exit just up ahead
L790[14:47:16] <APlayer> People usually
see if someone is faster than them and let them pass first before
using the left lane
L791[14:47:50] <APlayer> And fast moving
cars usually anticipate if someone in front is about to pass and
brake in advance
L792[14:48:15] <JCB> meh.. we get people
out here with no regard for speed limit... had one guy rocket past
me on the highway, must have been flooring it at 200kph or
something in 100km zone
L793[14:48:35] <APlayer> Having said that,
no, the highways are not fully free of stupid people, but it tends
to stay very decent
L795[14:50:20] <APlayer> (Not very
relevant, but still funny)
L796[14:50:23] <tawny> how even
L797[14:50:34] <JCB> I don't mind driving
highways... then again I like to travel. I don't find I have to be
in a rush to get everywhere like some people. Just.. there are
those out there that feel they have to be macho in some stupid
way
L798[14:51:09] <APlayer> Apparently the
drivers had a spasm in their foot and it slammed on the gas
pedal
L800[14:51:14] <APlayer> Driver*
L801[14:51:55] <Althego> hehe, i heard
stories about builtin radar
L802[14:52:01] <APlayer> tawny: We spent
about two days wondering how this could have happened, news
revealed the explanation ^
L803[14:52:03] <tawny> I'm mostly just
impressed by how they seemed to jump it into the air to balance it
against the wall
L804[14:52:14] <Althego> that is also used
for keeping distance from cars or stopping before an obstacle
L805[14:52:28] <Althego> now if you move
through a railroad crossing
L806[14:52:37] <Althego> it might pick up
the rails
L807[14:52:40] <Althego> as signal
L808[14:52:43] <APlayer> tawny: Apparently
there is a slope to the left of the image, which is not
visible
L809[14:52:45] <Althego> and stop the car
on the crossing
L810[14:52:46] <tawny> ahh
L811[14:52:50] <Althego> not able to move
for several seconds :)
L812[14:52:52] <JCB> just google image
'strange car accidents'
L813[14:52:54] <APlayer> The car was fast
enough to fly over that slope
L814[14:53:34] <APlayer> Ah, wait, no, the
slope is right below the car
L815[14:53:50] <APlayer> If you look
closely
L816[14:53:53] <tawny> ahhhh
L817[14:54:13] <tawny> I thought that was
like a staircase or something it was on
L818[14:54:18] <APlayer> Yeah
L819[14:54:29] <APlayer> It flew over that
staircase
L820[14:55:02] <JCB> hit the curb thing,
bounced it into the air a little
L821[14:55:18] <JCB> I can see the door
sits a bit lower, below the pavement
L822[14:55:22] <APlayer> Also, random
question. How much does that image look unlike the US, apart from
the weird parking place for the car?
L823[14:55:46] <JCB> also... such a weird
layout of windows on that building
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L825[14:56:06] <APlayer> I guess there is
a staircase right behind the door
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L827[14:56:55] <APlayer> Staircases here
often have offset windows
L828[14:57:31] <JCB> a little confused on
what the road sign suppose to mean
L829[14:57:40] <APlayer> Though that's a
bit narrow for a staircase
L830[14:57:43] <JCB> no corssing the
middle lines?
L831[14:58:23] <APlayer> JCB: No, the blue
crossed circle means no parking allowed, the small arrows are
optional and may show a certain direction in which the sign
applies
L832[14:59:11] <Althego> i just dont
understand the small arrows in it
L833[14:59:14] <APlayer> That's a thing
across all of the EU, AFAIK
L834[14:59:17] <JCB> ah..
L835[14:59:28] <Althego> na waiting
L836[14:59:32] <Althego> whatever the
official name is
L837[14:59:36] <JCB> knew it was EU...
just the arrows had thrown me
L838[15:00:15] <APlayer> Althego: No
stopping (if you mean that) is a different sign. It is similar, but
the blue circle is crossed twice
L839[15:00:26] <APlayer> That is there is
a red X on it, kind of
L840[15:00:28] <Althego> no that is an
x
L841[15:01:12] <Althego> now i realized i
cant translate most of the traffic signs
L842[15:01:44] <Althego> i always knew i
dont know enough about grammar, but this is a new area where is
simply lack dictionary
L843[15:01:47] <JCB> I know some signs...
being we used to visit Denmark a lot
L844[15:01:55] <APlayer> This one just
means no prolonged stopping, i.e. a quick stop to let someone out
is acceptable, but not park there and go shopping or so
L845[15:02:14] <APlayer> Althego:
Vocabulary* :P
L846[15:02:18] <JCB> we have no parking,
no stopping here
L847[15:02:32] <JCB> no parking is P with
circle and line across..
L848[15:02:35] <Althego> se, not enough,
just what i said :)
L849[15:02:45] <JCB> no stopping is black
stop sign, with same, circle and line across
L850[15:02:48] <Althego> hehe, no no
parking is the same as this just with an x
L851[15:03:11] <JCB> ya... so single
cross, double cross two things
L852[15:03:28] <JCB> kind of wondered what
those meant... finding info online seems difficult
L854[15:03:52] <tawny> the US doesn't use
rectangular manhole covers unless we absolutely can't help it
L855[15:04:05] <tawny> and I think I see a
rectangular manhole cover right in front of the car?
L856[15:04:17] <APlayer> Quite
possible
L857[15:04:27] <tawny> but that might be
some other sort of cover for like an electrical junction box that
doesn't *really* need a round cover as much
L858[15:04:33] <APlayer> Yeah, that's a
manhole cover
L859[15:04:46] <Althego> manholes are
always circular, but there are other things that have rectangular
covers
L860[15:04:50] <APlayer> Round metal ones
are way more common, though
L861[15:05:25] <tawny> I think most places
here use orange cones, I don't know if I've ever actually seen that
type of hazard sign but we do have something that's more or less
like that
L862[15:05:31] <Althego> so the official
name of that is no parking
L863[15:05:39] <tawny> I wouldn't have
noticed it doesn't look familiar to me if I weren't looking for it
though
L864[15:05:41] <JCB> huh?
L865[15:05:43] <Althego> somehow here it
is called no waiting
L866[15:06:04] <Althego> and what we call
no parking is the no stopping sign
L867[15:06:09] <JCB> ugh ok I gotta run..
lates all
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L869[15:06:49] <tawny> the one other thing
that stands out to me is that the building's base seems kinda
weird? But we have buildings similar to that in america too
L870[15:07:44] <Althego> to me it seems
quite usual building
L871[15:08:08] <Althego> in fact it could
have happened even here by the loks of it
L872[15:08:43] <APlayer> TIL a "No
vehicles carrying explosives"-sign is a thing
L873[15:08:49] <Althego> hehe
L874[15:09:48] <APlayer> tawny, Althego:
Ah, okay. Was just wondering just how different Germany is from the
US or other places
L875[15:10:06] <APlayer> Apparently, not
too bad if you just randomly spawned here or there
L876[15:10:45] <tawny> haha
L878[15:11:16] <tawny> oh, I don't know if
I've seen outside mailboxes in the US quite like that before?
L879[15:11:22] <tawny> they probably
exist
L880[15:11:41] <tawny> but everywhere I've
cared to notice, the mailboxes are usually just indoors
L881[15:12:11] <tawny> and then there'd be
a second locked door or set of doors past that point to keep
intruders out
L882[15:12:46] <APlayer> That's totally
not a thing here
L883[15:13:13] <APlayer> Everyone just has
one door, and the mailboxes are usually somewhere around the door
on the wall outside
L884[15:14:21] <tawny> oh I meant
like
L885[15:14:27] <tawny> mailboxes for
apartments with lots of people
L886[15:14:43] <tawny> individual homes
have outdoor mailboxes pretty often
L887[15:16:03] <APlayer> Ah
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L889[15:16:30] <APlayer>
Multiple-apartment-houses still have outdoor mailboxes
L890[15:16:46] <APlayer> At least the vast
majority of them
L891[15:20:53] <tawny> interesting
L892[15:20:59] <tawny> maybe I've just
never really paid attention to that
L893[15:21:12] <tawny> I guess it makes
sense that it's easier for me to notice the indoor ones
L894[15:21:30] <tawny> so for all I know
the US has plenty of those too
L895[15:25:22] <APlayer> I guess I shall
find (or take them myself) a few random photographs from German
streets and show them here, I'd really like to know if it would be
different from what someone in the US would expect to see
L896[15:25:54] <APlayer> The amount of
information in the accident image is rather limited
L897[15:30:53] <Mathuin> Wait, I'm having
trouble getting science out of my station's cupola. How do I
transfer it to an EVA scientist?
L898[15:31:09] <APlayer> Left click, take
science
L899[15:31:15] <APlayer> Or take
experiments or so
L900[15:31:29] <Mathuin> Ugh, had to enter
the cupola then exit to get that choice.
L901[15:31:29] <APlayer> Need to get close
to the hatch, though, IIRC
L902[15:31:57] <Mathuin> I was close
enough to enter the cupola, not close enough to get the science. In
and out did the trick.
L903[15:33:23] <Mathuin> Also, is there
any way to stop the click-through of windows? If I have three
windows on top of each other, one click can do chaotic
things.
L904[15:35:24] <APlayer> None that I know
of
L905[15:35:32] <Mathuin> That is super
annoying.
L906[15:35:51] <APlayer> Try not to hit
things, move them if possible and necessary
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L909[15:40:10] <APlayer> Anyway, I've got
to go now. See you!
L910[15:40:18] <Fluburtur> uh I need a
movie to watch
L911[15:41:31] <UmbralRaptor> Fluburtur:
Beyond the Black Rainbow?
L912[15:42:19] <Fluburtur> I was thinking
something more like kingsman
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L918[16:25:10] <scribbles> Anyone else
been dealing with launch issues after upgrading to Win10 Creators
Update? Received a reply from Squad support that they're getting
increasing reports of this, they're not sure what the issue is
yet
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L925[16:31:13] <kmath> <eggleroy>
? Christoffel, the new release of Principia, is out. A vessel
can no longer pass through a planet unscathed by clos…
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L936[16:59:50] <Blaank> Christoffel, the
new release of Principia, is out. A vessel can no longer pass
through a planet unscathed by closing its eyes and assuring itself
that small time steps aren't real as it rams the surface
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L938[17:29:36] <ConductorCat> :3
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L942[17:58:36] <JCB> huh... anyone here
into museum/vintage air and space related things?
L943[17:59:32] <Rokker> yes
L944[17:59:56] <Rokker> JCB:
L945[18:00:00] <JCB> just got done
reviewing some vhs tapes I saved from our local museum here... a
bit of footage taken from 89 or so.
L946[18:01:34] <JCB> not sure why it was
being tossed... was a few years ago when I helped them out. Now ...
wondering what to do. I suppose I could drop by on their volunteer
meeting on tuesday morning, drop a heads up
L947[18:07:37] <JCB> sorry..
aaaannnyywayyys..
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L950[18:33:28] <darsie> "Bring a
newly discovered Class E asteroid into an orbit around Eeloo."
:)
L951[18:33:41] <darsie> no, thanks
:)
L952[18:34:13] <taniwha> especially if you
use realistic asteroid masses
L953[18:34:27] <darsie> Well, I can pick a
low mass Class E asteroid.
L954[18:34:34] <taniwha> (ie, ~3t/m^3
instead of 30kg/m^3)
L955[18:34:38] <darsie> >1000 t.
L956[18:35:00] <darsie> yeah
L957[18:35:48] <darsie> I pushed a class C
to Kerbolar escape, though.
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L959[18:36:17] <darsie> KSP uses the word
'solar'.
L960[18:37:41] <taniwha> KSP also uses
"Sun"
L961[18:37:47] <JCB> ugh keep forgetting
about doing a probe to kerbol orbit as an early mission
L962[18:38:29] <JCB> thing is... takes so
long to get out there, I suppose I could do multi mission runs, its
just ... making sure I get back to it before things go too
far
L963[18:41:05] <JCB> lol... find it sort
of crazy, what takes us in real life to reach orbit, (7.8km/s) is
nearly double what is needed simply to escape kerbol system
L964[18:41:42] <taniwha> JCB: even
crazier: Earth's surface is about half way to Mun orbit
L965[18:43:10] <Plaid> JCB: That's why you
have real engineers do it, not KSP eengineers.
L966[18:47:57] <JCB> I'm fully aware of
scale diffs... I suspect they shrunk things down so you don't end
up spending so much time just trying to get to orbit (2-3minutes
ksp, vs 8-9 minutes real life)
L967[18:49:15] <JCB> there is a whole new
set of challenges when it comes to launching in real life... not
just slapping prebuilt set of parts together and launching them.
Though.. does pose an interesting concept. Rather than having to
design, test and custom build just about everything that's sent
into space...
L968[18:49:47] <JCB> do believe they were
trying to do something similar to a system of satillite bus
systems
L969[18:50:19] <JCB> also.. redundant is
redundant... or something.. ugh. hate having weird, can't stay
awake sort of day
L970[19:00:01] -ChanServ- Foundership changed to
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Badie was dropped.
L971[19:02:57] <Alanonzander> hmmmm
L972[19:03:35] <Rolf> never seen badie
ralk ever, so I guess thats why
L973[19:04:30] <Alanonzander> must
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L978[19:55:24] <Blaank> What is the mk3
stockalike expansion?
L979[19:55:34] <Blaank> I have the mk2 but
doesn't say anything about mk3 parts.
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L982[20:02:38] <Blaank> It's not
updated.
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L990[20:24:32] <TheKosmonaut>
Alanonzander: she usually is much more active on the forum
L991[20:24:40] <TheKosmonaut> I guess the
irc was too nerdy for her
L992[20:27:54] <JCB> eh....
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L994[20:29:11] <JCB> nerdy you say... irc
been around for a long while. I think its a good classic at this
point
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L996[20:38:17] <Alanonzander> AIM: dead,
ICQ: dead, Y! Messanger: Dead, MSN Messanger: Dead, Google
XMPP/Jabber: : dead, IRC: Still going strong.
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L998[20:42:08] <TheKosmonaut> JCB: yeah
but most people prefer slack now (ugh)
L999[20:42:11] <TheKosmonaut> I hate
slack
L1000[20:42:21] <ve2dmn> Or Discord
L1001[20:42:40] <TheKosmonaut> Dislike
discord too
L1002[20:42:47] <ve2dmn> same
L1003[20:42:57] *
ve2dmn is old, but that is beside the point
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L1005[20:43:12] <JCB> ... and what is
slack?
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L1007[20:44:33] <JCB> sigh... I started
on ICQ and IRC ... then AIM, got onto a few MU*s, Yahoo (only cuz
Egroups got sucked up by yahoo and everyone from there got a IM),
Google through gmail..
L1008[20:45:03] <JCB> I don't use Yahoo..
much. I think they did something and all contacts were swiped
clean
L1009[20:45:16] <snow> I love slack for
work things because of all the integrations they offer
L1010[20:45:17] <TheKosmonaut> Slack is
like IRC, but it’s something companies like to use because you need
to be whitelisted usually.
L1011[20:46:04] <snow> having git commits
and errors pop into the appropriate channels is incredibly
useful
L1012[20:46:06] <ve2dmn> If I'm not
mistaken, the backend for slack was IRC until they needed to extent
it and wrote it
L1013[20:46:11] <taniwha> some companies
do NOT like slack due to its infinite retention
L1014[20:46:30] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha:
valve? :P
L1015[20:46:32] <taniwha> (you can delete
the content from your channel, but slack still keeps a copy)
L1016[20:46:36] <snow> oh yeah, I have
plenty of issues with slack on the data retention front
L1017[20:46:38] *
taniwha whistles
L1018[20:46:53] <taniwha> but yeah
L1019[20:46:57] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha: I
would’ve thought that y’all communicate entirely through hats
L1020[20:47:03] <ve2dmn> We use a clone
of Slask at work
L1021[20:47:04] <TheKosmonaut> Like
baseball players
L1022[20:47:13] <taniwha> tcp/hat
:)
L1023[20:47:19] <TheKosmonaut> ve2dmn: it
better be called Taught
L1024[20:47:28] <ve2dmn> Nope
L1025[20:47:40] <JCB> I've sorta slipped
a bit on the social media side.. never got into a lot of things. I
still only sorta keep in touch with a few local friends..
sigh
L1026[20:47:49] <snow> TheKosmonaut: not
taut?
L1027[20:47:58] <TheKosmonaut>
Autocorrect... taut
L1028[20:48:14] <ve2dmn> Wrong
again
L1029[20:48:24] <snow> Wrong again,
Ordis
L1030[20:49:16] <TheKosmonaut> Taut is
correct unless you wanna right in Middle English
L1031[20:49:52] <taniwha> no, taught is
past tense of teach
L1032[20:50:03] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha: I
mean Slack>Taut
L1033[20:50:15] <TheKosmonaut> But then I
got autocorrected by my phone and it switched to Taught
L1034[20:50:29] <taniwha> your phone is
illiterate
L1035[20:50:37] <TheKosmonaut> It seems
to be
L1036[20:50:45] <TheKosmonaut> I keep
giving the dictation a chance
L1037[20:50:53] <TheKosmonaut> It does
well in Japanese but is terrible at English
L1038[20:51:03] <JCB> doh
L1039[20:51:58] <TheKosmonaut> JCB:
dough*
L1041[20:52:15] <JCB> ... doh! (homer
simpson like)
L1042[20:52:16] <taniwha> doe
L1043[20:52:18] <taniwha> :)
L1044[20:52:28] <TheKosmonaut> D’oh
L1045[20:53:14] <JCB> alternately..
"blegh!"
L1046[20:54:29] <JCB> lately been sensing
a little ksp burnout at times...hmm..
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L1055[21:25:04] <Blaank> I wish ckan let
you install old mods.
L1056[21:25:15] <Blaank> Will a 1.3.0 mod
work on 1.3.1?
L1057[21:25:33] <Arynnia> Blaank: ...
sometimes.
L1058[21:25:39] <Arynnia> 1.3.0 mods can
be finicky in 1.3.1
L1059[21:25:41] <Arynnia> some don't work
at all
L1060[21:25:43] <Arynnia> some are
crash-happy
L1061[21:25:46] <Arynnia> some work just
fine
L1062[21:25:48] <Arynnia> It all
depends
L1064[21:25:59] <Arynnia> My advice would
be "proceed with caution"
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L1066[21:26:55] <Blaank> Well I'm not
bothered if it blows up.
L1067[21:27:03] <Blaank> They updated the
mk2 one.
L1068[21:27:12] <Arynnia> Mhm
L1069[21:27:13] <Blaank> Haven't updated
the mk3 one but I guess they are working on it?
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L1071[21:28:20] <Arynnia> Probably
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L1084[21:42:33] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L1085[21:42:58] ***
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L1086[21:43:18] <mrcus> o7 mr
Supernovy
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L1090[21:50:51] <Rolf> How are you
gentlemen !!
L1091[21:51:38] <mrcus> building a Duna
ship with Kerbalism
L1092[21:52:29] <mrcus> it's a biiiit
more challenging than I had imagined, sending my fourth ship to
fuel it and stock it with food now
L1093[21:52:42] <Rolf> You have no chance
to survive make your time.
L1094[21:52:51] <mrcus> ha ha ha
L1095[21:53:23] <mrcus> what you say
!!
L1096[21:53:26] <Rolf> apparently
accurate translaion is " I would like to thank you for your
cooperation. Treasure what remains of your lives."
L1098[21:55:24] <mrcus> <3
engrish
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L1101[21:59:28] <mrcus> Nertea is
remaking his station parts mod
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L1104[21:59:57] <ve2dmn> pics?
L1105[22:00:18] <Rolf> pics or it didnt
happen!
L1108[22:02:03] <Rolf> nice looking
minmun base
L1109[22:02:14] <ve2dmn> It's...
different to last time. I like it
L1110[22:02:19] <Rolf> so much chocute
mint ice cream
L1111[22:02:47] <mrcus> i'll post my deep
space gateway clone in a sec
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L1113[22:05:19] <Blaank> 8.3 km/s good
enough for most stuff?
L1114[22:07:46] <mrcus> if you launch
within a window, yep
L1115[22:07:55] <mrcus> and if you're not
returning
L1116[22:08:21] <Arynnia> and if you're
not using OPM or similar
L1117[22:08:50] <Blaank> Crap
L1118[22:09:01] <Blaank> I mean from
orbit.
L1119[22:09:07] <Blaank> And I don't plan
to land ..... this thing .... anywhere
L1120[22:09:09] <Arynnia> Oh. Yeah, that
should be good.
L1121[22:09:19] <Arynnia> Just utilize
windows.
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L1126[22:20:47] <mrcus> ve2dmn,
Rolf
L1127[22:23:11] <mrcus> may or may not be
based on the Deep Space Gateway *cough*
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L1131[22:30:00] <Blaank> 408k cost,
paaaaain geting it into orbit.
L1132[22:30:13] <Blaank> Some dumb
science station with a mk3 mod nuke.
L1133[22:31:19] *
Blaank pushes 3 mk3 long fuel tanks with a single dawn
L1134[22:31:23] <Blaank> 2
L1135[22:32:31] <Blaank> 557 m/s dV with
3 of the largest xenon tanks
L1136[22:32:59] <Blaank> TWR 0.00 (it
rounded down)
L1137[22:33:10] <mrcus> ouch
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L1139[22:33:22] <Arynnia> how long will
it take to ionize?
L1140[22:33:25] <Blaank> 9 hour burn time
for 557 m/s
L1141[22:33:29] <Arynnia> xD
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L1143[22:33:38] <mrcus> get near future
ion engines
L1144[22:33:44] <mrcus> and some huge
solar arrays
L1145[22:33:44] <Arynnia> Longest
handbrake turn in history?
L1146[22:33:44] <Blaank> Ion is already
OP
L1147[22:34:03] <mrcus> it's fairly
balanced with the insane EC/s requirements
L1148[22:34:10] <mrcus> in Nerteas mod at
least
L1149[22:34:19] <Blaank> How many RTGs
per dawn?
L1150[22:35:02] <mrcus> lol
L1151[22:35:56] <Blaank> I'm not good at
this game. I want to watch someone good at spaceplanes stream them
screwing around with the Mk2 and Mk3 stockalike expansion
L1152[22:36:21] <Blaank> Doing nuclear
thermal pigyback launches of air breathing SRB assisted scramjets
to inertplanetary orbits.
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L1154[22:36:46] <Blaank> 30km up and
still gaining thrust while your nosecones explode in series.
L1155[22:45:22] <Blaank> And I can't get
this darn thing into orbit.
L1156[22:46:03] <Blaank> 60 tons dry, I
should not be having this much of a problem with it.
L1157[22:46:31] <mrcus> welp
L1158[22:46:52] <mrcus> I mean, this is
why I mainly play with mechjeb, stations and "small"
boosters
L1159[22:47:32] <mrcus> I personally
prefer assembling things in space, adds a bit realism to it as
well
L1160[22:48:50] <Arynnia> Blaank:
spaceplanes are the hardest thing in KSP
L1161[22:49:11] <Arynnia> I also have to
express my frustration with KSP 1.3.1
L1162[22:49:13] <mrcus> and they really
depend on what you like to do in the game, i think
L1163[22:49:21] <Blaank> This is a big
dumb rocket
L1164[22:49:29] <Arynnia> there's no
1776x1000 screen resolution option anymore
L1165[22:49:31] <mrcus> I don't like
flying and landing planes, i like the space bit
L1166[22:49:42] <mrcus> Arynnia: can't
you config it in?
L1167[22:49:47] <Blaank> I do not like
spaceplanes.
L1168[22:49:54] <Arynnia> mrcus: It
resets to 1024x768 every other loadup
L1169[22:50:04] <Blaank> I have a 0.5 ton
SSTO and that's all I've ever come up with that works well.
L1170[22:50:10] <Blaank> I mean 0.5 ton
payload
L1171[22:50:52] <Blaank> 2 rapier, 2
shock cone intake, 2 mk2 bicouplers, 1 small payload bay, 1 mk2
probe core.
L1172[22:51:12] <Blaank> Can get
something like 500kg to LKO, might manage one ton.
L1173[22:51:24] <Blaank> Takes off like a
bat out of hell.
L1174[22:51:37] <Blaank> Flies really
well, too.
L1175[22:52:10] <Blaank> It's the dumbest
little thing that actually worked.
L1176[22:54:41] <Blaank> Now one super
fun thing you can do with orbital shipyards is build a scramjet in
orbit, then give it a little kick to deorbit it and while it's
screaming through atmos at 2.6 km/s you turn on the engines and get
another km/s out of it.
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TheKosmonaut.
L1182[23:23:02] <Blaank> 3 tons to orbit,
barely makes it back.
L1183[23:23:16] <Blaank> Really crappy
for an SSTO but it's small and really easy to fly.
L1184[23:23:19] <Blaank> Sadly it's high
tech.
L1185[23:23:52] *
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L1188[23:27:09] <Guest89425> hello I am
looking into getting KSP for my son for christmas. I heard they are
coming out with the an update for the xbox one. will it be the same
as the desktop verso or is the desktop version still better?
L1189[23:27:23] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: hi there
L1190[23:27:27] <Guest89425> hi
L1191[23:27:29] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest89425
L1192[23:27:34] <Guest89425> hi
L1193[23:27:37] <Mod9000> Hello,
Guest89425
L1194[23:27:47] <Blaank> I don't think
modding is possible on consoles.
L1195[23:27:57] <TheKosmonaut> Well, it
depends on what you are looking for. You see, if you have a
decently powerful computer then the PC version is the way to
go
L1196[23:28:09] <Guest89425> i don't
really know what that means
L1197[23:28:15] <Guest89425> Iwe have a
mac
L1198[23:28:17] <TheKosmonaut> As you
will also be able to add mods over time (or not) that can change
(or enhance) your game.
L1199[23:28:26] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: ok, what Mac do you have? I have one too
L1200[23:28:29] <Blaank> Mods are
modifications made by fans.
L1201[23:28:40] <Blaank> They can add
parts or gameplay elements.
L1202[23:28:44] <Guest89425> we have a
mac mini
L1203[23:28:58] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: the recent one?
L1204[23:29:11] <Guest89425> I think we
got it in 2012
L1205[23:29:18] <Guest89425> I
think
L1206[23:29:52] <Guest89425> Thats what
the about my mac button says--late 2012
L1207[23:30:53] <TheKosmonaut> I might go
for the Xbox version in that case. However I don’t think the new
version comes out until January
L1208[23:31:10] <TheKosmonaut> I wouldn’t
advise getting the current Console version of KSP (if it’s even for
sale currently)
L1209[23:31:28] <Guest89425> will he not
be able to add these "Mods"
L1210[23:31:37] <Guest89425> ever
L1211[23:31:40] <TheKosmonaut> Not if he
plays the console version.
L1212[23:32:05] <Guest89425> I'm guessing
this is a pretty popular feature.
L1213[23:32:34] <Guest89425> I don't want
him to be dissappointed if he get the other version.
L1214[23:32:40] <TheKosmonaut> Some would
credit mods for making KSP what it is today. As many of the
talented people that have worked on KSP were and are modders
L1215[23:33:13] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: in the “About this Mac” screen, can you tell me the
specs of your Mac mini
L1216[23:33:51] <Guest89425> I'm just
debating wether or not to get an xbox one--we have a 360--
L1217[23:33:53] <TheKosmonaut> If you
click the apple then about this Mac, it’ll open a window that
should give your processor and graphics specifications
L1218[23:34:02] <Guest89425> I did it
says late 2012
L1219[23:35:11] <Guest89425> Intel HD
Graphics 4000 1536 MB
L1220[23:35:53] <Guest89425> Memory 4 GB
1600 MHz DDR3
L1221[23:36:00] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: does it also say you memory
L1222[23:36:04] <TheKosmonaut> Oops yeah
that’s it
L1223[23:36:32] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: well, the XboxOne will play KSP better.
L1224[23:36:58] <Althego> the new version
will be a separate game
L1225[23:37:06] <Althego> with save
incompatibility
L1226[23:37:08] <Guest89425> Processor
2.3 GHz Intel Core i7
L1227[23:37:10] <Althego> on
consoles
L1228[23:37:13] <TheKosmonaut> How old is
your son, if you don’t mind me asking? Modding requires a bit of
fiddling around online with the PC and if they’re younger then
they’ll need parental supervision
L1229[23:37:24] <TheKosmonaut> Althego:
yeah. It should come out in January
L1230[23:37:29] <TheKosmonaut> According
to TakeTwo
L1231[23:37:29] <Guest89425> 15
L1232[23:37:32] <Blaank> CKAN is nearly
foolproof.
L1233[23:37:37] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank:
not on Mac
L1234[23:37:40] <Blaank> Oh
L1235[23:37:57] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: and you have a 360 currently?
L1236[23:38:03] <Guest89425> yes
L1237[23:38:21] <Guest89425> but thinking
about buy an xbox 0ne s for christmas
L1238[23:38:45] <Guest89425> My son is 15
yrold
L1239[23:38:57] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: if I were you, I would honestly think about getting an
Xbox for your son, at the very least, he will have plenty of games
to choose from. And Xbox live Gold is fun too.
L1240[23:39:24] <TheKosmonaut> If you’re
not averse to shooting games then Xbox has plenty that are very
popular with high schoolers now.
L1241[23:40:03] <Guest89425> are you
saying our current computer is too slow. He's not a big gamer but
he does like this
L1242[23:40:55] <Guest89425> He has a
portal game and wants this
L1243[23:40:57] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: your Mac would definitely run KSP
L1244[23:41:18] <TheKosmonaut> well.
Lemme look at my old MacBook specs real quick
L1245[23:41:31] <TheKosmonaut> Hmm...
yeah your mini would probably run it pretty well
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L1247[23:43:20] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: you’re actually within the recommended specs for
KSP
L1248[23:44:29] <Guest89425> I just keep
going back and forthe with wether to get it xbox or the desk top. I
don't know enough about games to decode which he would like better.
i don't want to have to rebuy the game if it doesn't have wha the
want on the x box one
L1249[23:45:04] <Guest89425> how sure are
they that they are going to release it on the xbox
L1250[23:46:36] <Blaank> You can ask
which he'd prefer. I know a lot of people like gifts to be
surprises. Sometimes it's better to not surprise them but get
something they will like.
L1251[23:47:14] <Guest89425> is it better
to wait a couple of years to get the xbox version. will there ever
be mods on xbox
L1252[23:47:32] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: there likely will not be. But I can’t say with 100%
certainty.
L1253[23:47:44] <TheKosmonaut> Anyway,
having reviewed the specs, I think the Mac version would be
fine
L1254[23:47:54] <TheKosmonaut> It’s
definitely easier to play on computer
L1255[23:48:19] <Guest89425> is it less
frustrating
L1256[23:48:55] <TheKosmonaut> The Mac
version will be updated alongside the PC version. With Xbox you may
not always get updates at the same time because there’s a lot more
hoops to jump through
L1257[23:49:09] <Althego> if for nothing
else, the ker mod is worth of not going with consoles
L1258[23:49:19] <Guest89425> also one
last thing is a specific broweser better to play on?
L1259[23:49:32] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: browser?
L1260[23:49:44] <Althego> not a browser
game
L1261[23:49:45] <TheKosmonaut> Oh. I
would buy KSP from steam if I were you
L1262[23:49:57] <Guest89425> chrome
safari
L1263[23:50:17] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: KSP is a stand-alone game and not browser based
L1264[23:50:29] <TheKosmonaut> If you got
Portal, you likely have Steam as well.
L1265[23:50:36] <Althego> based on unity
engine, that is why it runs on many thigns
L1266[23:50:41] <Guest89425> so it
doesn't matter where i uplod the steam
L1267[23:51:05] <Guest89425> portal is on
the x box 360
L1268[23:51:07] <TheKosmonaut> So on
Steam if you search “Kerbal Space Program” you’ll find it on
that.
L1269[23:51:09] <TheKosmonaut>
Ohhhh
L1270[23:51:22] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: ok in that case. I will give you some steps to
follow
L1271[23:51:36] <TheKosmonaut> If you
wanna do this now? Otherwise just copy the steps following
L1272[23:51:57] <Guest89425> I think I
can get on steam to get it thanks
L1273[23:52:25] <Guest89425> You have
been very helpful
L1274[23:52:40] <Guest89425> is it self
expalnitory
L1275[23:52:44] <Guest89425> on
steam
L1276[23:52:44] <TheKosmonaut> No
problem! KSP is a wonderfully educational game
L1277[23:53:15] <TheKosmonaut> I have
spent hours upon hours studying physics and the like relating to
spaceflight, but KSP helped it *click* in a way that I could not
conceptualize before
L1278[23:53:40] <TheKosmonaut> You're
always welcome to this IRC channel for advice, or on the forums as
well
L1279[23:53:44] <Guest89425> he's really
into space and rocket currently--he want the lego saturn apollo V
too
L1280[23:54:06] <Blaank> Yeah, I learned
orbital mechanics from KSP
L1281[23:54:11] <Althego> i heard those
are hard to get
L1282[23:54:12] <TheKosmonaut> I think
it's safe to say ... we ALL want that lego set
L1283[23:54:20] <Blaank> Ruined a lot of
games and movies cause I see everything they are doing wrong
now.
L1284[23:54:25] <taniwha> I don't, but
I've already got it :)
L1285[23:54:29] <Althego> it was always
wrong
L1286[23:54:31] <Gasher[work]> Blaank,
same lol
L1287[23:54:34] <TheKosmonaut> taniwha:
That giant one?
L1288[23:54:39] <taniwha> TheKosmonaut:
yeah
L1289[23:54:40] <Guest89425> yes!!
L1290[23:54:42] <TheKosmonaut>
Nice.
L1291[23:54:45] <Althego> i always hated
the aliens planet drop scene
L1292[23:54:59] <Guest89425> LOL you guys
are great!!!
L1293[23:55:02] <Blaank> Even the Expanse
got a lot of stuff wrong.
L1294[23:55:16] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank:
They got a lot of stuff right too, except for M A G I C
engines
L1295[23:55:30] <Blaank> Those are purely
a plot device and no other reason they exist.
L1296[23:55:39] <Blaank> It's a means to
an end and the end is a good story.
L1297[23:55:43] <TheKosmonaut>
Guest89425: Thanks! We hope that you and your son have a great
christmas and fun time in KSP
L1298[23:55:58] <TheKosmonaut> Even my
2.5 year old daughter loves KSP... she mostly says
"boom"
L1299[23:56:04] <Althego> hehe
L1300[23:56:10] <Guest89425> Thank you
Merry Christmas to you too!!
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L1302[23:58:21] <Blaank> SSTOs are
infuriating.
L1303[23:58:55] <TheKosmonaut> So.. that
was like the 1 guest account that stayed in channel for more than
30 seconds
L1304[23:59:07] <Althego> hehe
L1305[23:59:24] <TheKosmonaut> I hope you
all enjoyed that, he was probably the last one for the rest of
2017-2018
L1306[23:59:26] <Althego> people do
become wiser with age :)
L1307[23:59:31] *
Blaank cries in kerbal.
L1308[23:59:59] <Blaank> Each orbit
around the sun, you've probably made hundreds more mistakes and you
learn from them.