OCLogs: 2017-12-16.log

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L14[01:48:06] <Mathuin> I'm running KSP on Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS in 64-bit mode, and whenever I restart the game it runs much slower the second time. Any ideas why?

L15[01:53:22] <Mathuin> Plenty of free memory, only one core seems to be working hard out of four, it's just two real world seconds for each KSP second.

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L53[06:02:57] <Althego> so maybe the tesla on the heavy will happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38MLwZ77v98

L54[06:02:57] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX Resupply Mission CRS-13: Yes to Budweiser, Maybe Tesla Roadster and a Ton of Testing.

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L61[06:25:42] <GlassYuri> "resistance is futile" https://twitter.com/tamagosan32768/status/941939893273378822

L62[06:25:42] <kmath> <tamagosan32768> "無駄な抵抗" https://t.co/zaHlf4sHHk

L63[06:36:41] <UmbralRaptor> uh

L64[06:38:20] <Fluburtur> my amps is derping again

L65[06:38:32] <Fluburtur> for some reason the volume changes slightly

L66[06:38:38] <Fluburtur> probably because it's cold

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L77[07:08:03] <Althego> hmm, 2 wolfie flat earth videos

L78[07:08:55] <UmbralRaptor> They're never worth watching.

L79[07:09:08] <Althego> they are anti flat earth videos

L80[07:09:51] <UmbralRaptor> Okay, s/never/almost never/

L81[07:14:53] <Mat2ch> GlassYuri: but why?!

L82[07:15:24] <GlassYuri> Mat2ch, internet attention?

L83[07:15:43] <Althego> what is that tweet about

L84[07:15:59] <GlassYuri> resistance being futile

L85[07:16:09] <Althego> in japanese?

L86[07:18:04] <GlassYuri> yes

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L88[07:58:41] <TheKosmonaut> GlassYuri: ready for “name that train”?

L89[07:58:51] <TheKosmonaut> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kj9EWm5X/IMG_0619.JPG

L90[07:59:11] <TheKosmonaut> See if you can guess it. I censored the station name and obvious giveaway on the train

L91[08:00:26] <GlassYuri> chichibu railway symbol still visible

L92[08:00:27] <BPlayer> ...guys, I've done it! I've written a script that launches and lands a booster back at KSC, pinpoint on a landing pad! :D https://i.imgur.com/eBELxcg.png

L93[08:01:49] <GlassYuri> no wait tobu

L94[08:02:50] <TheKosmonaut> It’s on the tobu line but it’s technically a different service

L95[08:03:05] <RDNt> BPlayer: share the script?

L96[08:03:08] <TheKosmonaut> I mean, it interchanges with the Hibiya/Tobu line

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L98[08:04:00] <GlassYuri> TheKosmonaut, I actually haven't been to tobu territory in an eternity

L99[08:04:07] <BPlayer> RDNt: It is rather rocket-specific, badly-to-not-at-all commented and not very readable, but I may pastebin it and explain it to you

L100[08:04:19] <TheKosmonaut> GlassYuri: daishi Line

L101[08:04:29] <TheKosmonaut> At Nishi-Arai

L102[08:04:32] <TheKosmonaut> I like the color

L103[08:04:41] <TheKosmonaut> Super short too

L104[08:05:03] <RDNt> BPlayer: plz do

L105[08:05:05] <TheKosmonaut> It’s a ワンマンtrain too

L106[08:05:28] <GlassYuri> I do remember visiting the bridges near kita-senju since I changed schools, otherwise haven't been around that area at all

L107[08:05:56] <GlassYuri> few weeks back I got as far as minami-senju/arakawa freight station but that's all

L108[08:07:25] <TheKosmonaut> That’s alarmingly close to my house lol

L109[08:07:42] <TheKosmonaut> I live between the Senju stations

L110[08:08:01] <TheKosmonaut> Kita, Minami, and Senjuohashi

L111[08:09:57] <GlassYuri> so you're near the arakawa line terminus too

L112[08:10:07] <GlassYuri> sorry, 'sakura tram' :P

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L114[08:13:20] <BPlayer> RDNt: So, I have a kOS CPU on the first stage and one on the second stage. The second one handles launch, ascent and in future terminal guidance, but for now it only has a dummy altitude vs. pitch timetable. The first stage script waits until stage separation, handles the boostback, atmospheric lift guidance and landing parts.

L115[08:14:12] <RDNt> very cool

L116[08:15:53] <BPlayer> Here is the code: (A paste of pastes, yes) https://pastebin.com/mHfRDGAE

L117[08:18:59] <BPlayer> So, feel free to ask questions on whatever is unclear. I'll answer, provided I still remember what that bit does

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L119[08:21:13] <RDNt> BPlayer: nice work

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L122[08:22:30] <APlayer> Now on to write the guidance to orbit part

L123[08:23:08] <APlayer> Well, no, not yet. On to improve the attitude control part, it is horrible

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L126[08:36:30] <Blaank> Are they going to launch a Tesla Semi as the BFR test payload?

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L129[09:06:37] <AstrodynamicsKid> DSS 63 is focused on New Horizons

L130[09:07:21] <AstrodynamicsKid> When is the next target approach again?

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L133[09:17:07] <APlayer> Somewhen in 2018

L134[09:17:35] * APlayer just realized the un-helpfulness of this message

L135[09:18:00] <AstrodynamicsKid> Oof

L136[09:18:49] <AstrodynamicsKid> I missed seeing the last crew touchdown in Kazak

L137[09:21:30] <AstrodynamicsKid> Hold up,

L138[09:22:43] <AstrodynamicsKid> Do you think New Horizons would use an inertial reference frame or not when doing the flyby?

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L141[09:23:47] <AstrodynamicsKid> As and I tines out

L142[09:24:06] <AstrodynamicsKid> Autocorrect...

L143[09:25:25] <AstrodynamicsKid> Huh.. Canberra DSN is entirely down.

L144[09:26:34] <APlayer> So, looking for New Horizons' next flyby date and found this gold: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(486958)_2014_MU69#/media/File:AfterPluto3.gif

L145[09:26:45] <APlayer> "When you start timewarping"

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L148[09:28:22] <AstrodynamicsKid_> Riippp

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L150[09:29:02] <AstrodynamicsKid_> Asteroid flyby tomorrow

L151[09:29:45] <AstrodynamicsKid_> It should graze Earth's atmosphere

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L153[09:29:59] <sandbox> F

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L167[10:36:38] <SopaXorzTaker> Remember the 2016 AMOS-6@Falcon-9 failure?

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L169[10:37:10] <SopaXorzTaker> The best part was the fairing with the satellite inside falling from the burning rocket, hitting the ground and exploding altogether

L170[10:37:37] <SopaXorzTaker> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ

L171[10:37:38] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX - Static Fire Anomaly - AMOS-6 - 09-01-2016

L172[10:38:41] <SopaXorzTaker> https://youtu.be/_BgJEXQkjNQ?t=80

L173[10:38:41] <kmath> YouTube - SpaceX - Static Fire Anomaly - AMOS-6 - 09-01-2016

L174[10:38:59] <SopaXorzTaker> at 1:20, the fairing falls down

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L176[10:42:25] <Blaank> Oh boy, what happened.

L177[10:42:46] <Blaank> this is old?

L178[10:43:28] <Blaank> Yeah. Old.

L179[10:43:38] <SopaXorzTaker> yes, this is old

L180[10:43:41] <Blaank> Scott had a really good analysis of it. What was the determined cause?

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L182[10:43:53] <SopaXorzTaker> Blaank, it was an Israeli satellite

L183[10:44:05] <Blaank> I mean the failure of the second stage that caused the whole thing.

L184[10:44:11] <SopaXorzTaker> so the cause must be someone Palestinian in proximity

L185[10:44:57] <Blaank> Good indication of the heat involved is you can see the paint on the lighting strike protection towers burning off.

L186[10:45:45] <Blaank> Oh, I missed his video followup.

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L188[10:46:04] <Blaank> Oh, no I did watch this.

L189[10:46:17] <Blaank> It was the filling and emptying causing some funky ruptures in wrappings.

L190[10:50:45] <Blaank> https://youtu.be/mBcoTqhAM_g?t=269

L191[10:50:45] <kmath> YouTube - Explaining Why SpaceX Rocket Exploded on Pad

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L194[10:54:04] <APlayer> SopaXorzTaker: First, and this is a personal opinion: No, the fairing falling off was horrible. Seeing that hurts, all those thousands of hours of work... Gone in an instant.

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L196[10:55:25] <APlayer> Second, I don't think you should mention theories of this kind here, that's politics.

L197[10:56:47] <Blaank> It was a ufo for sure

L198[10:56:56] <Blaank> That speck flying past was no bird.

L199[10:58:14] <APlayer> I've seen people saying that before

L200[10:58:56] <APlayer> And adding big red circle highlights around the bird, because it totally tried to fly past unnoticed

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L203[11:07:15] <lordcirth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVJQoy9-nLg

L204[11:07:15] <kmath> YouTube - Kerbal Space Program: First Flight

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L207[11:12:25] <SopaXorzTaker> APlayer, it'd definitely hurt if the satellite was truly valuable

L208[11:12:29] <SopaXorzTaker> but it's not

L209[11:12:48] <SopaXorzTaker> it'd be another stupid piece of metal fitted with transponders

L210[11:13:03] <SopaXorzTaker> because every stupid company must own a communications satellite

L211[11:13:10] <APlayer> There was enough effort in it for it to hurt

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L213[11:13:31] <SopaXorzTaker> like, if the JPSS-1 was lost, it'd be painful

L214[11:13:58] <SopaXorzTaker> but another GEO polluting satellite is not

L215[11:14:15] <SopaXorzTaker> but I support Israel's space movements in general, though

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L217[11:14:37] <SopaXorzTaker> also, the Palestinian thing was a lame joke

L218[11:15:11] <APlayer> Alright. Just try to avoid potentially political talk and/or jokes in the future

L219[11:15:39] <APlayer> Speaking of jokes, lordcirth, that video is plain amazing. I can relate.

L220[11:15:58] <Althego> i think i saw that long time ago

L221[11:16:00] <lordcirth> APlayer, ikr?! Just found it

L222[11:18:23] <APlayer> Nice! There is a whole series of those!

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L224[11:23:04] <APlayer> Hahaha, this guy deserves a medal for making those videos!

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L231[11:57:58] <UmbralRaptor> https://twitter.com/NASAhistory/status/942016467184377856

L232[11:57:58] <kmath> <NASAhistory> #OTD in 1917, British science fiction author Sir Arthur C. Clarke was born. Clarke's work inspired the name of NASA… https://t.co/CLfDp2QGsK

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L234[11:58:55] <sandbox> same birthday as me

L235[11:59:20] <sandbox> (except for the 1917 part)

L236[12:01:14] <AstrodynamicsKid> You would be a century old,

L237[12:01:54] <Althego> not impossible

L238[12:01:59] <AstrodynamicsKid> But you would live through the space race

L239[12:05:05] <AstrodynamicsKid> You could have contested to be the first human in space

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L242[12:10:08] <AstrodynamicsKid> Net

L243[12:10:17] <AstrodynamicsKid> Nutrality

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L245[12:10:48] <Guest62181> Hello

L246[12:10:49] <Mod9000> Hello, Guest62181

L247[12:10:56] <Guest62181> Someone here know the KSP modules?

L248[12:11:06] <Guest62181> Aka ModuleEngines

L249[12:11:17] <Guest62181> It's bit confusing...

L250[12:11:51] <Guest62181> Mod9000 is bot? :D

L251[12:12:18] <Althego> yes

L252[12:13:22] <Guest62181> Okay...then..let's wait :D

L253[12:13:40] <Guest62181> for some good guy who can reply D

L254[12:13:52] <AstrodynamicsKid> Oof

L255[12:14:09] <AstrodynamicsKid> Module engines are hackish

L256[12:16:10] <Guest62181> ?

L257[12:16:17] <Guest62181> AstrodynamicsKid

L258[12:16:23] <Guest62181> You know about the 6 curves?

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L265[12:37:09] <APlayer> Guest62181: There was documentation regarding specifically atmosphere ISP curves, IIRC

L266[12:37:22] <APlayer> But what exactly do you need?

L267[12:38:03] <APlayer> Oh, woops, this guy already left

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L270[12:46:04] <Ezko_> APlayer: i'm surprised he lasted that long without changing his nick

L271[12:46:37] <APlayer> Why wouldn't he?

L272[12:47:12] <Ezko_> usually people who come on for the first time through webchat to ask a question leave within 3 minutes

L273[12:49:29] <APlayer> Well

L274[12:49:49] <APlayer> It's normal to wait at least for the answer, I'd say

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L276[12:50:25] <APlayer> But it /is/ an internet delay chat, so... :P

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L285[13:17:18] <UmbralRaptor> Lots of join, ask a non-question, leave (~45 s after joining) people.

L286[13:22:15] <Alanonzander> "Not busy enough" :(

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L290[13:39:47] <Pamelloes> Hi! I'm running KSP on OS X and whenever I pause KSP and look at another application, OS X crashes and I have to restart my computer. I can't find any record of this on google. Is this a known issue and are there any workarounds?

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L292[13:44:41] <APlayer> Crashes and you have to restart your computer? o.o

L293[13:45:28] <Althego> strangely hypnotic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsnfYn_ZFdE

L294[13:45:28] <kmath> YouTube - 15 minutes of Google Translate "dotto"

L295[13:45:32] <Pamelloes> Yeah, it's very frustrating.

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L306[14:14:51] <BadRocketsCo> Howdy

L307[14:19:05] <Fluburtur> yo

L308[14:19:29] <BadRocketsCo> Fluburtur: heyya. How have things been?

L309[14:19:35] <Fluburtur> good

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L320[14:41:22] <oren> ARGH that is enough! I am uninstalling ppersistent rotation because I am tired of docking to space stations that I can't stop from rotating

L321[14:45:20] <BadRocketsCo> oren: can't you just use the RCS on the probe?

L322[14:45:42] <BadRocketsCo> Or whatever you docked to the SS?

L323[14:46:46] <BadRocketsCo> Oh, I just realised what you meant

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L327[14:50:16] <oren> I am rearranging my space station into a space train

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L330[14:52:29] <oren> https://imgur.com/nLwgLz8 pictured : the space-shunting yard

L331[14:52:29] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/nLwgLz8.jpg

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L333[14:56:04] <oren> All the modules in the space station will be arranged end-to-end and then the "Space Locomotive" will pull them to Duna

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L336[15:00:19] <Ferdz> Hey guys, anyone knows a mod that would allow me to build a warp gate in orbit that I can then launch my vessels to?

L337[15:01:43] <oren> with extraplanetary luanchpads you can build spacecraft in orbit

L338[15:01:56] <Ferdz> Not like an engine you strap on your ship, something like a space station

L339[15:02:02] <oren> but you have to bring the parts up

L340[15:03:47] <Ferdz> Interesting mod, but I was looking for one of those big sci-fi rings that would orbit and warp ships

L341[15:04:13] <Ferdz> I'm sure I saw one on a scott manley video but I can't find it again

L342[15:08:03] <RandomJeb> the closest I can think of is the USI alcubierre drive

L343[15:08:12] <RandomJeb> it's a warp drive and not a wormhole generator though

L344[15:11:12] <Ferdz> Hmm yeah I saw that one but I was looking for a drive that doesn't attach to your ship, more like a big structure that would orbit and could be reused by various vessels

L345[15:11:40] <Blaank> USI alcubierre drive standalone

L346[15:11:51] <Blaank> That's a warp gate

L347[15:11:54] <Blaank> No idea

L348[15:11:54] <Ferdz> This one right https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/90899-13-alcubierre-warp-drive-stand-alone/

L349[15:12:10] <Blaank> yeah

L350[15:12:14] <Ferdz> That one attaches to the ship just like an engine :/

L351[15:12:26] <Blaank> Get ready to burn 15 km/s dV after a jump, though.

L352[15:12:34] <Blaank> Relative velocity is a pain.

L353[15:14:19] <Blaank> Changed a bit I think. Last I saw it they had 3 sizes and only used EC and didn't blow up your ship when it screwed up.

L354[15:15:03] <Ferdz> uhm I'm guessing such a mod doesn't exist

L355[15:15:17] <Ferdz> Sure I saw something on a video at some point

L356[15:20:37] <Fluburtur> im editing a short film I filmed with ym cousin two years ago and man everything is wrong

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L358[15:21:07] <Fluburtur> wrong camera modes, bad audio, stuff in frame, actors not waiting enough to do their stuff

L359[15:21:18] <Fluburtur> but you learn as you do I guess

L360[15:21:55] <Fluburtur> bad focus too

L361[15:22:39] <Ferdz> Guess I could make the mod

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L365[15:53:28] <RandomJeb> Blaank: you don't have to burn much if you position yourself carefully, you can use the warp drive to bleed off speed by making some warps as well, like on a flyby you wait until your altitude is getting pretty high again and then warp down to a lower altitude a time or five

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L368[15:58:06] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.

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L370[16:06:22] <SnoopJeDi> ahoy Supernovy

L371[16:07:13] <Supernovy> Did you know one can generalise noether's theorem to discrete symmetries?

L372[16:11:35] <SnoopJeDi> nope! seems intuitive

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L374[16:25:45] <Supernovy> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.1409.pdf

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L385[17:24:23] <kuzetsa> wait...

L386[17:25:04] * sandbox waits

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L389[17:32:31] <oren> The space train is complete, but npot yet fully fueled

L390[17:33:05] <oren> https://imgur.com/vcU7jJ4

L391[17:33:05] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/vcU7jJ4.jpg

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L396[17:47:36] <gretchen> yo

L397[17:48:14] <gretchen> anyone got any idea why I'm getting only 20fps while running the game on a gtx 1080ti and a ryzen 5 and 16gb of ram?

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L400[18:00:27] <lordcirth> gretchen, how many parts? And how many craft (including debris) on rails?

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L402[18:01:38] <gretchen> no crafts at all

L403[18:01:44] <gretchen> at KSC new game

L404[18:07:48] <oren> how many mods?

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L421[18:29:44] <lordcirth> I just launched a $250k tourist ship and a similar refuel mission and still made a $200k profit. woot.

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L426[18:39:15] <Guest19228> hello?

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L428[18:40:47] <UmbralRaptor> hi, Guest19228

L429[18:41:26] <Guest19228> hi, i just wanted to know how to install mods? i used to install them with ckan but it looks like the mod based has changed?

L430[18:42:45] <UmbralRaptor> Download the mod, and unzip it into your KSP/GameData folder

L431[18:43:39] <Guest19228> ahh okay, thank you very much!

L432[18:45:30] <oren> https://imgur.com/vOLgVu3

L433[18:45:30] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/vOLgVu3.png

L434[18:45:43] <oren> I think I installed too much dust

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L440[19:15:04] <taniwha> oren: it's Mun. Should be pretty much zero dust

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L443[19:17:10] <Mathuin> The stupid claw is stupid. :-( I cannot reliably grab things. Sometimes it's happy at 0.5 m/s, sometimes at 2.5 m/s, sometimes not at any speed.

L444[19:19:59] <Epi> change your stupid :-( claw to :-{ it might grab more

L445[19:22:19] <Mathuin> I do like the RPM camera-in-claw/docking-port thing.

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L449[19:36:55] <Neal> my rover seems to have run into some issues

L450[19:36:55] <Neal> https://i.imgur.com/tHKtRYU.jpg

L451[19:37:47] <Neal> its unmanned as well

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L453[19:40:57] <taniwha> LKO. Just send up an engineer to fix it

L454[19:41:08] <taniwha> kinda like the Hubble telescope

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L464[20:35:29] <Mathuin> ... are those tires?

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L466[20:40:27] <TheKosmonaut> Looks like burst tires yes

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L475[20:59:01] <Mathuin> I have a rescue mission for LKO, it seems to be like the third or fourth manned mission every save, I would send my favorite engineer in that with a bike pump and patch kit. :-)

L476[20:59:23] <Mathuin> In other news, the order in which the heat shield and decoupler are placed matters.

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L480[21:06:35] <oren> https://imgur.com/JuApipR qanother day, another 7500 ore to LMO

L481[21:06:35] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/JuApipR.jpg

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L483[21:15:38] <darsie> I need more battery to land on Eloo. Hmm, maybe another RTG.

L484[21:18:59] <lordcirth> darsie, or a bigger RTG!

L485[21:19:19] <lordcirth> oren, why Mun and not Minmus for mining?

L486[21:19:39] <darsie> Or maybe a little ant lander.

L487[21:24:52] <oren> lordcirth: because transit time to kerbin is only 1 day and not 6

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L490[21:25:49] <lordcirth> oren, life support?

L491[21:26:01] <oren> yeah

L492[21:26:53] <oren> when I started this opeartion, i hadn';t invented hydroponics yet

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L494[21:28:29] <oren> so I had to manage a route for snacks to be brought to the mining base from kerbin

L495[21:29:29] <oren> but really with a shorter round trip means I ned fewer ships to sustain the same amount of ore delivery

L496[21:30:31] <oren> https://imgur.com/uekO7jn

L497[21:30:31] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/uekO7jn.jpg

L498[21:31:05] <oren> on the right you can see the ore lifter, on the right is the orbital ore hauler that takes ore to kerbin orbit

L499[21:31:41] <oren> er, the ore hauler is the one on the left

L500[21:31:58] <Mathuin> Doesn't the deeper gravity well on the Mun counter the shorter travel time?

L501[21:32:10] <oren> with the giant heat shield to aerobrake at kerbin

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L503[21:42:06] <KrazyKrl> Yep, if you want efficency; go to Minmus. The Mun has an 800m/sec well.

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