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L10[00:44:58] <Althego> https://newatlas.com/new-dinosaur-amphibious-velociraptor/52513/
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L20[01:10:38] <Althego> heh no spacex launch today, pushed to 15th
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L32[02:17:54] <darsie> Hmm, will KJR reduce oscillations when pushing asteroids?
L33[02:21:50] <Deddly> Aren't those oscillations more of an autopilot problem rather than a wobbly craft problem?
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L35[02:22:09] <Deddly> I suppose it depends on the craft
L36[02:22:11] <Althego> usually if i turn off saas and activate fine control everything is fine
L37[02:23:12] <Althego> slightly related: earth-chan is not flat :) https://i.redd.it/7ihta4jl1k301.jpg
L38[02:24:17] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nii2VPQRFN8
L39[02:24:17] <kmath> YouTube - Star Wars Characters Sing "MMMBop"
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L42[02:41:35] <Gasher[work]> Althego, as Giordano Bruno said to the inquisitor: "Your wife is flat, but not the Earth."
L43[02:41:43] <Althego> hehe
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L48[03:11:00] <Deddly> Has anyone tested that new multiplayer mod?
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L50[03:12:54] <Blaank> Any news on Falcon Heavy launch date?
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L54[03:30:20] <bees> Blaank: t-6 months and holding
L55[03:30:44] <Althego> hehe
L56[03:30:53] <Althego> suposedly january
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L58[03:32:50] <Blaank> Wikipedia says January. Mars transfer window is in January. Still a 30 day window and I don't want to spend all of that in a hotel room in florida.
L59[03:33:19] <Blaank> I need something like 3 days warning to get down there and find a hotel room and such.
L60[03:34:00] <Blaank> Shame I can't run my primary computer out the back of my car.
L61[03:34:33] <Althego> wait does it really go to mars?
L62[03:35:52] <Blaank> Elon said he's throwing his car at mars.
L63[03:36:08] <Blaank> The launch is during an earth-mars transfer window.
L64[03:36:51] <Blaank> Probably going to go behind it's orbit to get a kick from gravity assist. Don't know if it's enough to get solar escape.
L65[03:37:49] <Blaank> A crash into a planetary body would be bad for contamination so I expect it be put in a parked orbit to fly around a few million years.
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L72[03:42:55] <TheKosmonaut> Assuming it even gets a trajectory and doesn’t splode on ascent
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L74[03:45:22] <Althego> no, the car was a joke
L75[03:45:33] <Blaank> Was it or wasn't it a joke?
L76[03:45:40] <Blaank> There are conflicting reports
L77[03:45:48] <Althego> it was just elon joking
L78[03:46:03] <Blaank> January, 2018[73] Falcon Heavy Demo SpaceX Elon Musk's midnight cherry Tesla Roadster, on a heliocentric Mars transfer orbit.
L79[03:46:55] <Blaank> The Elon Musk's midnight cherry Tesla Roadster page got deleted
L80[03:47:06] <Althego> https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/1/16726822/spacex-falcon-heavy-tesla-roadster-launch-elon-musk
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L82[03:47:15] <Blaank> One site says it's fake.
L83[03:47:23] <TheKosmonaut> Althego: I believe it started as a joke and is now on the Boring Company path from meme to real
L84[03:47:48] <Blaank> Run by the owners of polygon
L85[03:47:53] <Blaank> For what that's worth
L86[03:48:05] <Althego> it would be funny if he did it
L87[03:48:50] <Blaank> Polygon is terrible.
L88[03:49:05] <TheKosmonaut> Also, their first payloads are always ridit
L89[03:49:09] <TheKosmonaut> Ridiculous *
L90[03:49:25] <TheKosmonaut> Like a wheel of cheese
L91[03:50:06] <Althego> why not huge ball of lead
L92[03:50:56] <TheKosmonaut> Also, the Verge was debunked
L93[03:51:29] <TheKosmonaut> They later follow up with “is he even allowed to do that?”
L94[03:51:33] <Althego> so then do we have hope?
L95[03:51:38] <TheKosmonaut> (Yes)
L96[03:51:52] <Althego> of course
L97[03:52:05] <Althego> not like we have lot of laws about space
L98[03:52:11] <Althego> or other bodies
L99[03:52:20] <Althego> interaction with aliens is also completely unregulated
L100[03:52:24] <Blaank> Nothing enforcable as far as I know.
L101[03:52:32] <Blaank> Oh, I thoght you said we do have a lot of laws
L102[03:53:05] <Blaank> We don't have a global government so nothing is globally enforced.
L103[03:53:28] <TheKosmonaut> That’s why I entered the Sunset blvd school of SPACE LAW
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L108[04:17:36] <sandbox> I have to agree about Polygon
L109[04:18:17] <tawny> what's so bad about polygon
L110[04:18:46] <tawny> they seem fine to me, though I mostly just watch their funnies and don't read their articles or anything
L111[04:21:37] <sandbox> blatantly biased hit pieces against people
L112[04:23:34] <tawny> huh
L113[04:23:49] <tawny> never seen anything like that, but again, I don't really read any of their articles
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L116[04:24:15] <tawny> also now that I think about it I think their youtube crew is almost entirely isolated from whoever writes the articles on their actual website
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L118[04:25:02] <sandbox> yeah, I was indifferent about them until fairly recently
L119[04:25:17] <tawny> googling for it just gets me what looks like gross gg dudes complaining about dumb stuff?? idk
L120[04:25:18] <Althego> what is this polygon you are talking about?
L121[04:26:31] <tawny> https://www.polygon.com/2017/11/15/16657156/sonic-forces-refund-steam-twitch then there's this, which does seem like an utterly useless waste of bandwidth but is at least the tamest 'hit piece' type article I've ever seen...
L122[04:27:07] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUTGijsCCyk
L123[04:27:07] <kmath> YouTube - It Came From Out There. Oumuamua, The First Interstellar Asteroid!
L124[04:27:09] <tawny> pretty pathetic journalism tho so I can see why anyone wouldn't like them after publishing this
L125[04:27:32] <tawny> or maybe there's just a tremendous lack of gaming news going on
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L127[04:29:32] <Althego> lack of gaming news? what was that about ea?
L128[04:29:38] <Althego> or is that too old already?
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L130[04:30:57] <Althego> heh there was ap laylist at th end of the video
L131[04:31:02] <Althego> with 2 1 hour videos
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L139[05:19:40] <Althego> any interesting mission idea?
L140[05:19:52] <Epi> hit a body as hard as possible
L141[05:20:13] <Althego> too violent
L142[05:21:48] <snow> are we talking KSP or GTA?
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L145[05:23:04] <sandbox> Farming Simulator
L146[05:38:11] <Althego> this is not helping
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L149[05:45:25] <Gasher[work]> there are many farming simulators disguised as games
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L151[05:48:09] <FireFlower> there are so many cheaters in multiplayers that i don't want to play multiplayers anymore
L152[05:48:39] <Althego> hehe
L153[05:48:59] <Althego> arent those banned after a while?
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L155[05:50:32] <FireFlower> doesn't seem so
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L162[06:50:29] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/775ec42b70d9fb308b31fa0741ebae56/tumblr_mzeuhqbgLg1qfthy3o1_540.jpg
L163[06:52:59] <Althego> old
L164[06:55:03] <Fluburtur> big cat
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L166[07:07:37] <Althego> i learned that you have took for habitable rocki planets in 10 micrometer waves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5rInKFFdUs
L167[07:07:38] <kmath> YouTube - A Journey to Alpha Centauri - Christian Marois (SETI Talks 2017)
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L183[07:53:08] <FireFlower> damn
L184[07:53:32] <FireFlower> fire chief came to check apartment building where I live...
L185[07:53:45] <FireFlower> he told me I have 30 days to clear out excess stuff...
L186[07:53:50] <FireFlower> "but i need these"!
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L188[08:00:40] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac
L189[08:00:41] <kmath> YouTube - George Carlin Talks About "Stuff"
L190[08:00:45] <Althego> oh wait
L191[08:00:53] <Althego> it might contain some bad language
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L193[08:04:07] <sandbox_> i questioned it as soon as I saw the title
L194[08:04:29] <Althego> anyway, fireflower needs place for stuff :)
L195[08:05:22] <FireFlower> Althego: yeah... 20 sqrmeter flat ain't big to hold my old stuff from 60 sqr meter apartment
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L205[08:39:12] <dreadkopp> when doing a land-on-multiple-bodies-challenge i guess it's best to start with the planets/moons with the lowest gravity since i loose less ∆v when i land high-mass vessel on low gravity? or doesn't it matter at all ?
L206[08:40:16] <Althego> higher twr, less gravity losses
L207[08:44:33] <bees> dreadkopp: start from the hardest ones
L208[08:45:16] <dreadkopp> bees: mun / eli / aptur ... none of them are hard to land on. just want to save the most ∆v ;)
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L210[08:46:28] <bees> does not matter then, i guess
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L212[08:47:30] <bees> reason for the hardest ones first is that you would need to stage there, and if you do them last - you would be dragging a gigantic rocket to all other bodies, which could be very fps-unfriendly
L213[08:48:36] <bees> also you can refuel a small craft relatively easily, if you finished all hard ones and dont have enough for easy one, while refueling stuck on the surface of some hard planet craft... is quite "interesting" mission
L214[08:48:53] <dreadkopp> my though was: the higher the mass of the vessel the higher the gravitational force between vessel and cellestrial body. Thus the heavier my vessel the more ∆v i spend landing on a body with high mass itself
L215[08:50:00] <bees> dv is change in velocity, and you always need same velocity for orbit (ignoring atmosphere)
L216[08:52:12] <dreadkopp> right ...
L217[08:52:52] <dreadkopp> i am loosing more ∆v with a heavy vessel on landing though i guess since i am not able to do a 'perfect' landing
L218[08:53:03] <dreadkopp> might be wrong too though haha
L219[08:53:46] <dreadkopp> need refuling anyways i guess. 2km/s ∆v left and two moon to land on + orbit around planet ...
L220[08:53:55] <ve2dmn> there is an order you can try to 'save' dV. Don't do Mun->Duna->Eve->Minmus->Gilly for example
L221[08:54:09] <dreadkopp> going for a direct crashcourse / landing might save some ∆v ?
L222[08:54:27] <ve2dmn> but aside from that, each time you need to land, so you will use the fuel anyway
L223[08:54:44] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: The most efficent landing is the suicide burn...
L224[08:54:57] <ve2dmn> ...but as the name says, miss it and you're dead
L225[08:55:07] <dreadkopp> f5 / f9 ;)
L226[08:55:09] <bees> ve2dmn: depends on twr
L227[08:55:26] <dreadkopp> okay. aptur here i come / crash
L228[08:55:39] <bees> ve2dmn: technically it is not always the most efficient
L229[08:55:52] <ve2dmn> bees: You are technically correct
L230[08:56:03] <dreadkopp> XD
L231[08:56:25] <bees> practically, unless you start the burn with sub-1 twr, it would probably be the most efficient
L232[08:57:08] <bees> i think only tylo could realistically produce this situation in stock
L233[08:57:45] <ve2dmn> Kerbol?
L234[08:58:00] <Althego> tylo landing
L235[08:58:03] <Althego> always terrifying
L236[08:58:16] <dreadkopp> not sure you wanna land on kerbol haha
L237[08:58:31] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: the common trick is to do it at night
L238[08:58:40] <Truga> lol
L239[08:58:47] <dreadkopp> ah! like the north koreans did ?
L240[08:58:55] <Althego> hehe that is what i wanted to say
L241[08:59:39] <bees> also moho/vall/eeloo/mun with nukes, sometimes
L242[09:00:33] <bees> semi-suicide burn would be the most efficient in 99.99% situations, though
L243[09:00:57] <Althego> where you just die a little? :)
L244[09:01:03] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: also, the Tyranny of the rocket equation means that you'll have trouble getting more then 17k of dV
L245[09:01:08] <Truga> it's called lithobraking
L246[09:01:27] <Truga> yeah
L247[09:01:37] <bees> when you dont go for direct 90 degrees impact, but for about 10-20 degrees trajectory
L248[09:01:39] <Truga> i'm playing on 10x rescale and let me tell you
L249[09:02:04] <bees> you lose efficiency, but when executed properly you would still have some bonus and twr would not be a problem
L250[09:02:05] <Truga> all that dv needed is *hard*
L251[09:02:23] <ve2dmn> Truga: now imagine real-life things
L252[09:02:32] <Truga> ?
L253[09:02:34] <bees> real-life things are easy
L254[09:02:37] <dreadkopp> ve2dmn: well i am playing new horizons + KSPIE ... those late nuke/plasma techs will give you enough ∆v for far expeditions.
L255[09:02:39] <Truga> real life things is easy, they have mechjeb and time
L256[09:02:40] <bees> they are just kinds expensive
L257[09:02:43] <bees> *a
L258[09:02:43] <Truga> :D
L259[09:02:50] <dreadkopp> otherwise there is much much gravity assist :P
L260[09:02:52] <ve2dmn> You have a point
L261[09:02:55] <Truga> i'm a very busy person, and i'm too dumb for mechjeb
L262[09:03:15] <ve2dmn> I use kOS
L263[09:03:15] <dreadkopp> problem when you have gathered way to much speed but actually need to land at some point :P
L264[09:03:37] <Truga> but yeah, with gravity assists things can be much easier to do
L265[09:03:40] <Truga> it just... takes forever
L266[09:03:46] <Truga> not very fun when trying to play a game :p
L267[09:04:13] <dreadkopp> Truga: you playing without timewarp ? :P
L268[09:04:25] <Truga> no, but timewarp is limited to 10 billion or something
L269[09:04:40] <dreadkopp> there should be mods for that as well :)
L270[09:04:46] <Truga> that's with the mod :p
L271[09:04:55] <Truga> maybe there's a better mod i dunno
L272[09:05:13] <dreadkopp> but a few times kerbin<-->eve should bring you pretty much anywhere
L273[09:05:34] <dreadkopp> just don't forget to add some kind of anchor for breaking at destination haha
L274[09:05:41] <Truga> yeah
L275[09:06:19] <dreadkopp> *braking
L276[09:06:39] <dreadkopp> well most likely the same in 9/10 attempts XD
L277[09:12:32] <dreadkopp> okay this will be interesting . refueling attempt while my vessel has a LKO intersect for a gravity assist ... no idea at which speed it will flyby XD
L278[09:12:59] <Truga> about 88 mph
L279[09:13:48] <Althego> hehe
L280[09:14:27] <dreadkopp> nope... a relatively reasonable 2.8km/s it is. this might just work haha
L281[09:15:13] <Blaank> That's pretty fast for a rendezvous.
L282[09:15:50] <dreadkopp> only .8 km/s difference . don't care what happens to the refuel-rocket afterwards anyways :)
L283[09:16:14] <Blaank> Oh, 800m/s is a lot more reasonable.
L284[09:16:20] <dreadkopp> so... guess 5 km/s ∆v should be okay for the refuel thingy
L285[09:16:38] <dreadkopp> 2.8km orbital speed @ ~200 km KO ;)
L286[09:17:20] <dreadkopp> just need to bring about 400 units of liquid fuel to that thing while it does a Kerbin Gravity assist
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L288[09:18:30] <ve2dmn> Why is it that people's brain shutdown when it comes to technology
L289[09:18:50] <ve2dmn> I have to do everything for my 'some' of coworkers
L290[09:19:55] <GlassYuri> ve2dmn, because they did not grow up being encouraged to apply logical thinking to unknown situations
L291[09:20:00] <ve2dmn> I try to explain things to him, but he refuse to learn
L292[09:20:05] <ve2dmn> "Not my job"
L293[09:20:21] <ve2dmn> It drives me nuts
L294[09:21:38] <sandbox_> homer simpson
L295[09:21:41] <dreadkopp> depends. it it actually IS not his job ... why should he do it
L296[09:22:02] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: what would you do in front of a blue screen?
L297[09:22:49] <dreadkopp> write down the error code, reboot, google + check event log ... after 10 mins format C and install linux XD
L298[09:22:52] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: the thing is, it's not my job either
L299[09:23:14] <dreadkopp> well then don'T do it. no IT department where you work ?
L300[09:23:24] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: well, he just stands there and ask me "What do I do?"
L301[09:23:26] <dreadkopp> you guys can allways hire me though XD
L302[09:23:32] <sandbox_> I'm not even sure they still do error codes
L303[09:23:40] <sandbox_> "something went wrong"
L304[09:23:45] <dreadkopp> ve2dmn: tell him to go to it department ?
L305[09:23:53] <ve2dmn> When I try to explain it to him, he just reponds: "I don't understand this computer stuff... you do it for me"
L306[09:24:25] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: too long. It will take them 45min to get here. There is only 1 technician for this building
L307[09:25:10] <ve2dmn> sandbox_: for the record it was a STOP 0xc5
L308[09:25:30] <dreadkopp> well ... it's not your job to fix it. you don't get paid for it. + if something goes south while you attempt to fix it you were accused for the trouble
L309[09:25:44] <dreadkopp> call the it guy, he should fix it. That's HIS job
L310[09:25:51] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: but then I get accused of being a bad person
L311[09:25:55] <dreadkopp> no
L312[09:26:04] <dreadkopp> just doing the right thing
L313[09:26:31] <sandbox_> have you tried turning it off and on again?
L314[09:26:32] <dreadkopp> don't do shit you 1: aren't paid for 2: might go wrong anyways :)
L315[09:26:52] <ve2dmn> sandbox_: that's the thing. He was even afraid to do THAT
L316[09:27:59] <TheKosmonaut> dreadkopp: language control pls
L317[09:28:10] <dreadkopp> sry
L318[09:28:15] <ve2dmn> He's an accountant. His whole life is pre-ordered according to a very specific way of doing things
L319[09:28:34] <dreadkopp> yes.
L320[09:28:45] <dreadkopp> and the very specific way to fix this problem is to call it
L321[09:28:46] <ve2dmn> His lunch is at 12:00 (for example.) not 12:03, not 11:58. 12:00
L322[09:29:09] <dreadkopp> blame the company for using an unreliable operating system and/or software
L323[09:29:28] <dreadkopp> but i really recommend you don'T touch that system for your own sake
L324[09:29:31] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: too long. His time is too precious to wait for the technician. Much easier to ask the sysadmin that is right behind him
L325[09:33:08] <dreadkopp> well get him a replacement machine until IT guy arrives. ? send him to lunch break?
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L327[09:33:12] <ve2dmn> Because I'm the only one with any knowledge about infrastructure (the rest of the internal IT staff are programmers), I get called in for almost anything
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L329[09:33:31] <dreadkopp> IF it isn't your job it isn't your job to fix it. simple as that
L330[09:34:10] <ve2dmn> That's the thing, since there is nobody else to do it, it default to me.
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L332[09:35:03] <ve2dmn> I love working with people who want to learn
L333[09:35:26] <ve2dmn> I will sit down and explain everything to them so they can become self-sufficient...
L334[09:35:48] <ve2dmn> ... but I do have 1 or 2 coworkers who are 'afraid' of technology
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L336[09:37:49] <ve2dmn> sorry for the rant
L337[09:38:59] <ve2dmn> :q!
L338[09:40:05] <dreadkopp> atom >>> vi XD
L339[09:46:27] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: vi is pre-installed everywhere, even in esoteric embedded device or weird Unix boxes. I use it because it's ubiquitous and it's "good enough"
L340[09:47:02] <ve2dmn> I use Notepad++ for kOS
L341[09:47:34] <Althego> except what most people saw is vim, however you might be confronted with plain vi on aix, powermaxos and other sysv variants
L342[09:47:52] <snow> or elvis on *BSD
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L344[09:50:20] <ve2dmn> I had ure vi on HP-UX
L345[09:50:25] <ve2dmn> pure*
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L347[09:51:05] <Althego> anyway vim and emacs, along with mplayer are among the most userunfriendly interfaces i have ever seen
L348[09:51:47] <ve2dmn> Althego: vi was the first 'full screen' thing ever made. The concept of interface was not even a thing back then
L349[09:52:02] <Althego> and? time has passed
L350[09:52:20] <Althego> could have improved it a little
L351[09:54:21] <ve2dmn> that's why there's clones of it
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L356[10:07:18] <ve2dmn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPHbqY9LHCs
L357[10:07:18] <kmath> YouTube - CRS-13 Webcast
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L359[10:12:55] <Althego> what, isnt it on the 15th?
L360[10:13:02] <Althego> because of contamination foud on sometihng
L361[10:13:24] <Althego> https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/940736321097572352
L362[10:13:24] <kmath> <SpaceX> Taking additional time for the team to conduct full inspections and cleanings due to detection of particles in 2nd… https://t.co/XnZCY1Q43F
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L364[10:14:03] <Althego> so forget that stream for now
L365[10:16:47] <ve2dmn> sad. I got a notice from youtube about that stream
L366[10:19:46] <dreadkopp> someone might tell me why fuel transfer does not work ? https://imgur.com/a/pJTVw
L367[10:19:46] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/SIVlsVT.png
L368[10:21:29] <bees> use docking ports
L369[10:22:23] <ve2dmn> It should work with a claw.... no clue what the issue is
L370[10:22:37] <bees> claw does not have a fuel transfer anymore
L371[10:22:53] <dreadkopp> dang it
L372[10:22:56] <ve2dmn> since?
L373[10:22:59] <Althego> why
L374[10:23:02] <dreadkopp> okay, didn't know that
L375[10:23:06] <bees> since fuel flow changes
L376[10:23:11] <dreadkopp> bummer
L377[10:23:12] <Althego> didnt even scott use it for the 3 parts to everywhere challenge?
L378[10:23:12] <ve2dmn> i see
L379[10:23:14] <bees> 1.2 maybe?
L380[10:23:28] <bees> i dont remember
L381[10:24:43] <dreadkopp> you can cheat it via difficulty settings though .... http://i.imgur.com/J7khmyr.jpg?1
L382[10:24:59] <dreadkopp> should have checked that earlier.
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L390[11:12:25] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydqReeTV_vk
L391[11:12:26] <kmath> YouTube - Evo-Devo (Despacito Biology Parody) | A Capella Science
L392[11:12:35] <Althego> evo-devo despacito
L393[11:19:14] <ve2dmn> I don't understand how that song became so viral
L394[11:19:22] <ve2dmn> It's not bad, but it seems to be everywhere
L395[11:19:47] <Althego> no it already died out
L396[11:19:57] <Althego> it was the song of this summer
L397[11:20:14] <ve2dmn> I would not know, I live in a bubble
L398[11:20:16] <Althego> and i think the same too
L399[11:20:31] <Althego> not bad, but numbe one youtube vid, heh?
L400[11:22:03] <sandbox_> I don't think I've heard it and I'm not clicking on it to find out
L401[11:22:14] <Althego> hehe
L402[11:22:31] <dnsmcbr> dont listen to bees
L403[11:22:39] <ve2dmn> I don't listen to the radio and I have no clue how people find out about new music these days...
L404[11:22:43] <Althego> all systems buzzing
L405[11:23:01] <Althego> you know i heard about it this autumn first by a coworker mentioning it :)
L406[11:23:49] <ve2dmn> not to mention the fact that we have our own music industry that nobody has heard of...
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L408[11:27:55] <Althego> i think i have. isnt justin bieber canadian? :)
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L410[11:29:51] <ve2dmn> I don't mean that industry.
L411[11:34:05] <Althego> must be a secret industry
L412[11:37:27] <ve2dmn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix_Award
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L414[11:37:57] <Althego> ah it is quebec special
L415[11:38:47] <ve2dmn> Yeah. All these artists are well known around here, and completely unknown in the rest of the world...
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L417[11:43:02] <ve2dmn> The worst is always the translated (or more acuratly, 'adapted') gameshow
L418[11:44:10] <ve2dmn> Since the 'local' market is small, they usually look like crappy copies
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L425[12:05:29] <JCB> blep
L426[12:07:07] <APlayer> Heeloo!
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L428[12:10:00] <Althego> this is getting scary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nbeD1mwCdo
L429[12:10:00] <kmath> YouTube - What's hidden under the Greenland ice sheet? | Kristin Poinar
L430[12:10:01] <dreadkopp> anyone here using KSPIE ?
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L432[12:20:02] <ve2dmn> Althego: good video... but I made the mistake of reading the comments
L433[12:20:12] <Althego> haha
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L435[12:20:17] <Althego> never read the comments
L436[12:21:22] <dreadkopp> i really don't get what i do wrong with those nuclear ramjets : https://imgur.com/a/oZYXJ
L437[12:21:30] <Althego> i liked the 10 micron for exoplanet detection better
L438[12:21:36] <dreadkopp> max speed i can get is ~1.35km/s
L439[12:22:24] <Althego> if you look into the config file, there should be 2 thiongs there
L440[12:22:39] <Althego> heh i forgot, atmcurve and whtavercurve
L441[12:23:13] <dreadkopp> Althego: lemme check
L442[12:23:26] <Althego> anyway as you go faster if it behaves liek a usual jet, the thriust willdecrease
L443[12:23:44] <Althego> and one of these regulates that
L444[12:23:53] <Althego> if it is present, it is completely normal
L445[12:24:38] <Althego> velCurve
L446[12:24:50] <Althego> at least stock jets have that
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L450[12:25:39] <Althego> and the values in it are x, y, left tangent, right tangent in mach
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L452[12:26:03] <dreadkopp> "if you go faster, thrust will decrease" ... that might just be it ...
L453[12:26:20] <dreadkopp> bloody physics fooling me once again
L454[12:26:22] <Althego> you can see the thrust in the right click menu
L455[12:26:40] <dreadkopp> yeah, it rapidly decreases with higher speed :(
L456[12:26:53] <Althego> and should reach 0 at some point
L457[12:27:01] <Althego> which is the maximal speed theoretically
L458[12:27:07] <Althego> but can never reach that
L459[12:27:10] <dreadkopp> use velocitycurve=true is in the config
L460[12:27:14] <dreadkopp> dang it
L461[12:27:39] <Althego> so it is apparently normal for even the cheaty nuclear turbojet
L462[12:27:52] <dreadkopp> velocity curve : key = 1700 0 0 0
L463[12:28:04] <Althego> well, it is in m/s then unlike stock
L464[12:28:35] <dreadkopp> okay so best case which can never be reached due to drag is 1700 m/s , righty ? and including drag i simply cannot overcome 1.35km/s with that engine . got it
L465[12:28:54] <Althego> but at that point thrust can be quite small
L466[12:28:55] <dreadkopp> though i can just shove air in it as long as there is any and it will accelerate :P
L467[12:29:02] <Althego> you haveto see the graph for that
L468[12:29:14] <Althego> which is hard to visualize in the head
L469[12:30:08] <Althego> so depending on the previous breakpoint 1500 may be your actual max based on drag
L470[12:30:28] <Althego> also pressure factors in the thrust too
L471[12:32:25] <dreadkopp> yeah :) thought i just am missing something... which i obviously did :P i remember reaching higher speeds with other chemical jet engines so i thought something's off
L472[12:32:50] <Althego> this part of the physics is absolutely missing of the in game gui
L473[12:32:59] <Althego> you dont even get data points
L474[12:33:19] <Althego> ok, there are some thrust values
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L476[12:38:46] <UmbralRaptor> pre-1.0, the 0 thrust point was something like 2200 m/s.
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L478[12:40:14] <Althego> you gcould go to the edge og space with jets
L479[12:40:27] <JCB> used to be able to cruise at 65km.....
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L481[12:40:42] <JCB> people would spam airscoops..
L482[12:41:04] <Althego> this is serious for sstos. loss of many hundred m/s delta v
L483[12:41:07] <dreadkopp> ah.. might be because i haven'T played ksp in some time XD
L484[12:41:16] <JCB> I had jet that could almost orbit just below edge of space on jets.. was sorta silly now that you think about it with today's versions
L485[12:41:34] <Althego> no such technology is even imagined on earth
L486[12:41:45] <Althego> i think there is a hard cutoff for even scramjets
L487[12:42:18] <JCB> woudln't know.. didn't exactly spam things myself
L488[12:42:50] <Althego> lol muskwatch. with a metal horse body centaur elon musk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sufINCqbXH4
L489[12:42:50] <kmath> YouTube - What Is Elon Musk Launching to Mars First? (Muskwatch w/ Kyle Hill & Dan Casey)
L490[12:45:46] <dreadkopp> i love the idea of elon getting to mars himself in maybe 40 years, landing his tesla as well somehow and while everyone else is going around in golf carts he is racing around in his mighty tesla XD
L491[12:46:24] <JCB> ya till his Telsa breaks down.. good luck finding parts. Unless it works with golfcart things
L492[12:53:44] <Althego> parts for an oldtimer? you have to manufacture them yourself
L493[12:53:51] <Althego> which he could do because he has the company :)
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L495[13:06:52] <dreadkopp> finally made it to 90km Orbit with 1.5km/s ∆v to spare... now to refining XD
L496[13:07:26] <Althego> real men go to duna without refilling :)
L497[13:08:01] <dreadkopp> refining != refilling :P
L498[13:08:15] <Althego> ah cant read, getting late
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L501[13:34:15] <dreadkopp> 100 km orbit 2km/s ∆v left ... getting there XD
L502[13:40:58] <Althego> lower orbit is better for an injection burn
L503[13:43:09] <dreadkopp> thing has too much weight at back so i want some steep reintry angle anyways and hope airbrakes save me from burning up XD
L504[13:51:59] <Althego> not really, those themselves are really flammable
L505[13:52:29] <Althego> what helps me is usually vertical orientation, lot of drag. but for that i need a barely stable center of mass
L506[13:54:05] <oren> for mars u would want to soup up the suspension on your car. no paved roads on mars yet
L507[13:54:19] <Althego> also less gravity
L508[14:19:36] <dreadkopp> back at kerbin in one piece :) gracefully flipped and tumbled down from space at gee-forces that might or might not have Barwin pass out a few times though haha https://imgur.com/a/oZWiA
L509[14:19:36] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/TCce4D0.png
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L515[14:29:39] <darsie> I need 1220 m/s for a rendezvous, but I only have 1209 ... Try again with more fuel ...
L516[14:29:58] <dreadkopp> darsie: get out and push
L517[14:30:04] <darsie> Uncrewed.
L518[14:30:18] <darsie> asteroid pusher.
L519[14:30:20] <Althego> use rcs for theremaining
L520[14:30:33] <APlayer> Stage-ejection propelling is also a thing :P
L521[14:30:38] <darsie> If I use all my LF with the nerv the RCS won't work.
L522[14:30:49] <darsie> It's the final stage.
L523[14:31:01] <APlayer> Gravity assist on the way?
L524[14:31:21] <darsie> I could try that, but I'd have to fly again.
L525[14:31:31] <darsie> I'll rather get more fuel.
L526[14:31:47] <darsie> The fuel tanks aren't full anyways at launch.
L527[14:31:52] <APlayer> Launch a small Klaw + fuel tank craft?
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L529[14:32:06] <APlayer> Not to re-launch the whole thing
L530[14:32:16] <darsie> I'm not far into the mission, it's ok.
L531[14:32:36] <dreadkopp> APlayer: claw cannot refuel unless you cheat
L532[14:32:40] <APlayer> Alright. I was rather thinking about cost than time, but whatever
L533[14:32:45] <darsie> Claw can push.
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L535[14:32:54] <APlayer> ^
L536[14:32:56] <dreadkopp> just found that out a few hours ago
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L538[14:33:06] <darsie> Klaw * :)
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L540[14:34:24] <darsie> I'm already using a rendezvous near the DN so I don't have to make the full plane change.
L541[14:34:56] <darsie> Or does that bite me back as increased speed at rendezvous?
L542[14:35:00] <Althego> how does that make it not the full change?
L543[14:35:16] <Althego> to reduce the speed differential, the velocity vectors have to match
L544[14:35:21] <dreadkopp> was just going to ask the same
L545[14:35:40] <dreadkopp> unless crash XD
L546[14:36:06] <darsie> Althego: The trajectories meet at AN/DN, so you don't need a plane change, there. If it's near, you only need a little plane change.
L547[14:36:18] <APlayer> darsie: Do you have unlimited time for the maneuver?
L548[14:36:28] <darsie> APlayer: pretty much.
L549[14:36:30] <Althego> that still doesnt explain it
L550[14:36:34] <APlayer> Try splitting it up in lots of tiny timed burns all at periapsis
L551[14:36:50] <Althego> if you finishthe maneuver, your orbits are the same. so how is that not the full change?
L552[14:37:21] <Althego> it would work for an aerocapture, but not on an asteroid
L553[14:37:34] <darsie> Althego: I'm not sure, maybe it works out the same.
L554[14:37:39] <APlayer> Also, if it is a large altitude change, try bi-elliptic transfer (altitude over the planet's center must be > ~13)
L555[14:38:15] <APlayer> Matching inclination only at the upper end of it is also worth a shot
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L557[14:38:28] <darsie> I'm on solar orbit.
L558[14:38:53] <APlayer> That is, if you can combine the plane change and the apoapsis maneuver that would save some fuel
L559[14:38:57] <darsie> Well, I'll see if a conventional plane change works out the same.
L560[14:39:07] <Althego> you can spare some fuel by having a single burn, so if the plane chage is the same as the capture burn
L561[14:39:14] <Althego> but you cant spare the plane change
L562[14:39:19] <APlayer> No. Plane change first and capture later is less efficient
L563[14:39:35] <Althego> that is what is said
L564[14:39:36] <darsie> ok
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L566[14:39:57] <APlayer> The higher you do your plane change (and the slower you are when you do it), the less fuel you will need for it
L567[14:40:38] <APlayer> Combining the two burns spares lots of fuel, as described by the pythagorean theorem
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L570[14:42:01] <APlayer> But prograde/retrograde burns are most efficient at periapsis
L571[14:42:10] <APlayer> That is, when you are fast
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L573[14:42:59] <AlpineAce> Been looking around the forums for a bit, trying to find the latest articles on KSP arduino hardware controllers, anyone have a thread that I can visit? All the one's I'm seeing are a few years old.
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L575[14:44:30] <APlayer> IIRC there was a mod for that. Telemachus?
L576[14:44:45] <APlayer> darsie: Found a more efficient combination yet?
L577[14:45:13] <AlpineAce> I thought that was only for a browser tab, I don't think you can connect it to physical Input hardware.... right?
L578[14:45:27] <APlayer> Probably I misremember the name
L579[14:45:29] <darsie> BTW, that's my more rigid asteroid pusher: http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot9.png I hope I can accelerate more while thrusting without insane oscillations with it.
L580[14:45:42] <darsie> APlayer: no. I'm getting more fuel.
L581[14:45:50] <APlayer> There certainly was a mod that would provide a serial IO system
L582[14:45:58] <APlayer> darsie: Alright
L583[14:46:07] <AlpineAce> That
L584[14:46:20] <AlpineAce> it's called Kerbal Serial.IO or something
L585[14:46:34] <APlayer> I remember something different
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L587[14:47:14] <darsie> I'm not sure if the struts are worth the extra 600 kg.
L588[14:47:16] <AlpineAce> I'm looking for threads on how people got KSP to talk to an arduino. So far it's been easy for me to make an Arduino Leonardo talk to KSP, but I have no idea how to get ksp to talk back
L589[14:48:37] <GuestBanana> would also be interested in such a thing
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L592[14:52:03] <APlayer> AlpineAce: OK, I dug up the source I was thinking of, the mod is indeed KSPSerialIO
L593[14:52:36] <APlayer> But here is an up-to-date version of it: https://spacedock.info/mod/567/KSP%20Serial%20IO
L594[14:55:04] <APlayer> Anyway, I'm off for today. Good luck in your missions/projects, darsie and AlpineAce. See you!
L595[14:56:21] <ve2dmn> APlayer: see ya
L596[14:57:17] <ve2dmn> Check out the thread on the KSP forums about 'Simpits' or 'For people with too much time on their hands'
L597[14:57:23] <ve2dmn> (something like that)
L598[14:57:44] <ve2dmn> there's ton of pictures of people making hardware for KSP
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L600[15:02:00] <dreadkopp> wowzer. while it sure might be nice ... what do you need a arduino connected to ksp for ?
L601[15:11:43] <ve2dmn> Making a gyro?
L602[15:12:17] <ve2dmn> Doing a custom-made disply based on a replicat of the Mission control panel?
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L605[15:18:05] <ve2dmn> https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/60620-custom-hardware-simpit-repository-for-people-who-take-ksp-a-little-too-far/
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L608[15:27:59] <Fluburtur> reminds me that I wanted to build one$
L609[15:28:07] <Fluburtur> in the style of the rafale cockpit
L610[15:28:16] <Fluburtur> simple and clean, very efficient
L611[15:29:21] <Fluburtur> http://tpe-rafale.e-monsite.com/medias/images/photo-cabine.jpg
L612[15:32:36] <dreadkopp> ve2dmn: haha ... this is insane! totally awesome but also definitely insane XD
L613[15:38:26] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/qw_F4d1hcnE?t=346
L614[15:38:27] <kmath> YouTube - RC BEST CRASH, EXPLOSION, BURN, SPEED and THRILL Compilation: ESSENTIAL RC (TOP AMAZING HIGHLIGHTS)
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L620[15:52:43] <ve2dmn> dreadkopp: if I had the motivation, I would do the same
L621[15:52:55] <dreadkopp> :)
L622[15:53:03] <ve2dmn> I lack a bit of the knowledge, but that would not stop me
L623[15:53:09] <dreadkopp> SAS turn my spaceplane into a wiggeling mess... ideas ?
L624[15:53:25] <ve2dmn> more struts
L625[15:53:36] <dreadkopp> haha :P
L626[15:54:12] <dreadkopp> lemme check if i can find that wiggling part
L627[15:55:03] <ve2dmn> more autostruts!
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L631[16:01:34] <Mathuin> I have found that using advanced tweakables and autostructs heaviest part on the most distal members of my planes makes a big difference.
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L634[16:20:44] <Flub_ugh> uh goddamnit
L635[16:21:05] <Flub_ugh> my midi keyboard was not workign because it just wanted to be plugged into the back panel of my computer
L636[16:23:45] <FireFlower> Chinese SSD's are not up to the speed of fastest drives
L637[16:23:50] <FireFlower> not so good controllers
L638[16:24:56] <FireFlower> they about at same level as Intel was in 5 years ago
L639[16:25:18] <FireFlower> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/UTB8HMvtqmnEXKJk43Ub762LppXaL.png
L640[16:28:48] <ve2dmn> https://www.wired.com/story/mirai-botnet-minecraft-scam-brought-down-the-internet/?mbid=social_twitter
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L642[16:30:53] <Flub_ugh> now I just have to learn to use fl studio
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L645[16:39:03] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L658[16:59:51] <FireFlower> makes you wonder when humanity reaches point where we protect ourselves from such attacks as one against unforseen alien attack...
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L662[17:12:16] <Mathuin> I seem to recall the kRPC author talking about optimizing performance for 9600 baud serial connections.
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L670[17:30:53] <UmbralRaptor> Hah
L671[17:31:41] <darsie> Damn, my ship is again *in* the asteroid after reloading the saved game :(. When I release the Klaw everything explodes.
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L675[17:37:31] * darsie restarts ksp ...
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L702[19:21:49] <X-15> Hi everyone
L703[19:22:05] <lordcirth> X-15, welcome
L704[19:22:09] <Flub2> hello fast piloted missile with tiny wings
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L706[19:22:58] <Flub2> uh
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L708[19:34:56] <UmbralRaptor> Must have been flight 3-65-97.
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L732[21:49:54] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: To better serve a wider range of Kerbal Space Program players, the following dialogue is also available in Pokemon closed captioning.
L733[21:50:16] <Scolar_Visari> Weeeeee! http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-flies-next-generation-new-shepard-vehicle/
L734[21:53:36] <Scolar_Visari> The capsule also seems to have about the most gentle parachute landing of anything.
L735[21:55:50] <umaxtu> Apparently they use srbs to soften the landing
L736[21:56:40] * Scolar_Visari notes the capsule landed at about ~.447 m/s.
L737[21:57:49] * UmbralRaptor missed the decimal point initially.
L738[21:58:10] <Supernovy> it's an ablative capsule, Raptor.
L739[22:01:15] * Scolar_Visari ponders making fatter first stages and the difficulties of making oddly shaped propellant tanks ala Venture Star.
L740[22:01:51] <UmbralRaptor> Aluminum-Lithium alloys are highly likely to work,
L741[22:02:16] <Scolar_Visari> See, weird! https://i.stack.imgur.com/JtCK1.jpg
L742[22:02:48] <dreadkopp> someone please put some more landmass on Laythe
L743[22:04:25] <Scolar_Visari> Turns out that propellant tanks are hard.
L744[22:07:03] <Scolar_Visari> More than a 100 years, and the Maine still looks ugly.
L745[22:08:35] <Scolar_Visari> According to this depiction, the Maine was struck by a torpedo at one point https://mtviewmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_2093.jpg
L746[22:12:01] <Scolar_Visari> And a giant cutaway model of a Yamato-class battleships turret, complete with gigantic stereoscopic rangefinders http://i.imgur.com/FqN57Sz.jpg
L747[22:12:25] <Scolar_Visari> Treadless Tiger tank not included, some assembly required.
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L749[22:23:51] * Scolar_Visari ponders playing as Ptolemaic Egypt or Syracuse.
L750[22:29:10] <Scolar_Visari> The latter is an underdog, but the former has animal headed deities.
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