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L8[00:52:52] <tawny> has anybody here used
the B9 aerospace vtol engines?
L9[00:53:07] <tawny> I'm trying to figure
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sense of it
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L28[02:26:38] <Althego> "i'm on
fire"
L29[02:30:42] <Gasher[work]> happened last
year, driver survived but car did not
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L34[03:04:01] <kmath> YouTube - The WALKING
WATER Mystery (in SPACE and SLOW MOTION!) - Smarter Every Day
160
L35[03:06:47] <Tank2333> Hi o/
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L48[04:25:21] <Blaank> What mod should I
get to help automate or at least alert that new science is
available?
L49[04:25:34] <Blaank> ForScience is not
doing anything I can tell.
L50[04:25:46] <Blaank> The icon is green.
when I click it, it's red. Nothing else happens.
L51[04:26:18] <Blaank> I have Jeb and a
boatload of science experiments in orbit of minmus and none have
activated or popped up anything. I'm still doing it all
manually.
L52[04:27:29] <Blaank> Ok, something did
happen, I have 10 stored science things in my crew pod. I must have
missed it while in map view and it didn't expend any of the one-use
experiments.
L53[04:29:44] <TheKosmonaut> There’s a mod
called [x] Science!
L54[04:29:57] <Blaank> [x] science just
said it catalogs stuff back at base.
L55[04:30:09] <Blaank> Didn't say anything
about helping to perform unless I read it very wrong.
L56[04:32:05] <TheKosmonaut> Oh. You
literally want a science harvester?
L57[04:32:09] <TheKosmonaut> Dunno about
those
L58[04:32:32] <TheKosmonaut> There’s a mod
somewhere that instantly gives you all KSC science
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L60[04:32:44] <Blaank> That's not what I
mean
L61[04:33:17] <Blaank> I had a mod that had
things pop up that I could click and it would run the experiment.
[x] science sounds familiar but when I read the CKAN description it
said it was about reading science back at base.
L62[04:33:24] <Blaank> Like a record
keeping thing.
L63[04:33:41] <Blaank> And shows science
you have already collected. Did I read it wrong?
L64[04:34:26] <Blaank> The Science Report
and Checklist for KSP. [x] Science! keeps track of the science
experiments you have completed and recovered to Kerbal Space
Center. It also tracks science you have gathered which is held on
vehicles and kerbals. No matter what game scene you are in, what
you current vehicle is, [x] Science! always reports on all science
held anywhere.
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L66[04:34:47] <Blaank> Nothing there about
running experiements.
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L69[04:38:37] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank: it has
a list, and when a potential science experiment can be run, a
button shows up
L70[04:38:54] <TheKosmonaut> You click and
it runs the experiment
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L72[04:44:27] <GlassYuri> japan life hack:
don't have a hong kong dollar in your wallet
L73[04:45:06] <GlassYuri> I've mistaken it
for both a 100 yen and 500 yen coin several times already
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L80[05:18:29] <Althego> lol
L81[05:20:53] <GlassYuri> I'm having
trouble focussing on the breasts with that rack railway wye turnout
next to them
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L83[05:37:01] <Althego> hehehe
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L98[06:44:15] <Fluburtur> I saw a crow
chase a bunch of seaguls from a fointain so he could take a bath
today
L99[06:44:20] <Fluburtur> nature is
beautiful
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L109[08:00:42] <SkylineKSP> heyo
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L113[08:08:55] <transitbiker> bwoop
L114[08:09:06] <transitbiker> i am
officially doing a livestream today
L115[08:09:11] <transitbiker> ksp
L116[08:09:12] <Fluburtur> nice
L117[08:09:29] <transitbiker> going to go
through my most recent builds, and do a few more live
L118[08:09:45] <Fluburtur> I can send you
a few new ones if you want
L119[08:10:30] <transitbiker> sure
L120[08:10:42] <transitbiker> just setting
up now
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L124[08:13:27] <Fluburtur> I think I have
4 new planes for you to try
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L126[08:13:32] <transitbiker1> the
hell?
L127[08:13:37] <Fluburtur> lel
L128[08:13:39] <Fluburtur> I think I have
4 new planes for you to try
L129[08:13:52] <transitbiker1> how do i
ghost transitbiker?
L130[08:14:04] <Fluburtur> idk
L131[08:15:06] <transitbiker1> it said
disconnected, no such device or address
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L134[08:15:17] <transitbiker1> ah
brb
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L137[08:16:04] <transitbiker> ...
L138[08:16:31] <transitbiker> packet
constipation
L139[08:17:19] <transitbiker> k let me
finish setting up
L140[08:18:52] <transitbiker> Fluburtur,
you should help me finish the guardian farm on empire mc
L141[08:19:23] <Fluburtur> yeah
L142[08:19:41] <transitbiker> spawn
chamber needs fitting out, and the rest of the monument area needs
do be dried out
L143[08:19:59] <transitbiker> i have the
spawn chamber about half way done structurally
L144[08:20:30] <transitbiker> just needs
the other half, roof, and the two layers of signs for water stop
& lava stop
L145[08:20:57] <transitbiker> i have
enough hoppers and chests for a decent storage system
L146[08:21:05] <transitbiker> but yes -
time to skp
L147[08:21:09] <transitbiker> ksp
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L150[08:40:23] <Fluburtur> im gonna fly my
rc plane, will try to get back before the stream is over
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L160[09:12:12] <Fluburtur> back
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L164[09:22:49] <Fluburtur> don't forget to
try my planes
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L168[09:29:43] <Althego> wait, is there a
spacex launch today?
L169[09:29:56] <Fluburtur> yeah i
think
L170[09:30:09] <Althego> or maybe after
midnight as they usually do
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L172[09:40:17] <umaxtu> It got pushed to
tomorrow
L173[09:42:34] <transitbiker> must've been
a strong person, to push a whole rocket into another day
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L175[09:43:27] <Althego> lol
L176[09:43:32] <Althego> or rather
heavy
L177[09:43:41] <Althego> causing it to
have relativistic shift
L178[09:43:48] <transitbiker> neutron star
man
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L181[09:47:09] <Blaank> Well, I just
shocked myself. skipper > jumbo 64 > terrier > FL-T800
> assorted payload. 9.3 km/s empty. Not sure about mass to LKO.
Would take testing. The kicker is 14,090 cost.
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L183[09:48:10] <Blaank> 15,690 cost.
Forgot the fins
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L196[10:06:55] <Blaank> How do you
transfer crew among the same ship?
L197[10:07:05] <transitbiker> who
me?
L198[10:07:14] <Althego> right click
transfer
L199[10:07:16] <Fluburtur> click on the
hatch
L200[10:07:24] <Althego> or what was it,
alt click on the door
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L202[10:07:25] <Blaank> What if I can't
see the hatch I need them to go to?
L203[10:07:45] <Althego> you need to see
at least the cabin for the right click
L204[10:07:48] <Althego> zoom in
L205[10:07:54] <Blaank> I have mk 1
spaceplane and a mk1 cabin
L206[10:08:19] <Althego> right click on
the part and there must be an item somewhere with a button that
says transfer
L207[10:08:36] <Blaank> ok, that does
work.
L208[10:08:45] <Althego> annoying because
i always click on the crew report thinking ah crew this must be
it
L209[10:09:04] <Blaank> What's the dv in
an EVA pack?
L210[10:09:12] <Althego> around 500 i have
heard
L211[10:09:30] <Blaank> Nice, I can ignore
this 90m/s rendezvous and jump it.
L212[10:09:44] <Blaank> Screw slowing
down. You want rescue, you work for it.
L213[10:10:07] <Althego> hehe, martian
style?
L214[10:10:20] <Blaank> I had a friend EVA
to my ship while we were playing some really buggy multiplayer and
he forgot the "half the distance is slowing down"
thing.
L215[10:10:29] <Althego> haha
L216[10:10:41] <Blaank> Didn't help my
ship was randomly jumping 2km in any direction.
L217[10:15:29] <Blaank> Save 65m/s dv not
having to slow down. Cicularizing back at holding orbit and
dropping down on next rescue contract.
L218[10:15:43] <Blaank> Pretty easy
jump.
L219[10:15:53] <Blaank> I dislike not
having 6 DOF during spacewalks.
L220[10:16:09] <Althego> press t?
L221[10:17:22] <Blaank> I remapped
controls. Do you mean turn on jetpack?
L222[10:17:42] <Althego> i think the sas
button now does something
L223[10:17:55] <Althego> decouples control
from camera or something
L224[10:18:32] <Blaank> I know the camera
is kind of gets stuck at 90 degrees up and 90 degrees down. It
can't do a full orbit.
L225[10:18:50] <Blaank> A lot of game
engines don't handle flipping over like that
L226[10:18:59] <Blaank> Like they
literally can't do it.
L227[10:19:11] <Blaank> And some games
can't even do 90 degrees up or down and lock at 89.
L228[10:19:19] <Althego> hehe gimbal
lock
L229[10:19:27] <Blaank> Probably causes
math to go crazy and divide by zero or something.
L230[10:20:09] <Althego> ok not an actual
gimbal lock, but the same problem, 2 axes happen to fall in the
same direction and you lose a dof
L231[10:27:11] <transitbiker> axes?
:D
L232[10:27:35] <Althego> axis plural
axes
L233[10:27:39] <Althego> i learned that
from matlab :)
L234[10:27:45] <Althego> many years
ago
L235[10:28:09] <Althego> kind of annoying
actually
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L237[10:34:01] <Blaank> I wish old tiers
of tourist contracts would hang around. I really drop them after
they start asking to land on Mun and Minmus.
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L240[10:38:25] <kmath> YouTube - La
Grange, KY - Virtual Railfan LIVE
L241[10:39:42] <Althego> what, i was
expecting zz top
L243[10:39:56] <kmath> YouTube - ZZ Top -
La Grange
L244[10:40:07] <Blaank> Check yo
staging.
L245[10:40:58] <Blaank> >launch
probe.
L246[10:41:23] <Blaank> >throttle up
engines, mash stage one, hit SAS ........ hit SAS ..... rapidly hit
SAS and it doesn't turn on.
L247[10:41:36] <Blaank> oh god, no sas on
the stayputnik
L248[10:41:46] <Althego> i take tourists
to mun while i go to collect science and take rookies there for
xp
L249[10:42:11] <Blaank> Once I get jumbo64
this is going to get easier.
L250[10:42:25] <Blaank> Right now I have
to tape two of those half sized ones together and I have no
mainsails.
L251[10:43:23] <Blaank> KER and MJ for all
is not working. Installed everything via CKAN.
L252[10:43:36] <Blaank> MJ works but KER
does not.
L253[10:43:50] <Althego> you dont need ker
if you have mj
L254[10:44:40] <Blaank> Having both is the
best
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L257[10:47:32] <Fluburtur> I should stop
hitting myself with doors
L258[10:48:05] <Althego> lol
L259[10:48:10] <Althego> imagine that
scene
L260[10:48:26] <Fluburtur> i try to pass
doors faster than I open or close them
L261[10:48:53] <Blaank> 525 m/s in drag
losses. ouch.
L262[10:49:08] <Althego> you are standing
in the middle of a workshop. two doorframes are to your left and
right side. and you start to fling the doors in the frames towards
you so that they hit you, while screaming
L263[10:49:10] <Blaank> Got a ton of
random parts sticking off this thing and plowed through atmos with
a really bad tipover
L264[10:49:20] <Fluburtur> heh
L265[10:54:40] <Blaank> 3.7 km/s to LKO. I
feel bad.
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L267[11:01:27] <Althego> hehe
L268[11:05:13] <Blaank> I love low drag
darts. Kickback with a tiny probe on top in a fairing.
L269[11:05:33] <Blaank> 56.6 m/s drag
losses and broke atmos
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L272[11:10:43] <Blaank> And I forgot to
deploy the antennae.
L273[11:10:48] <Blaank> it's dead
jim
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L278[11:18:21] <kmath> YouTube - Verka
Serduchka - Dancing Lasha Tumbai (Ukraine) 2007 Eurovision Song
Contest
L279[11:19:24] <Althego> lol
L280[11:20:19] <dreadkopp> hey guys :)
haven'T played KSP in a while and seemed to have forgot about
everything i learned about SSTOs :P anyone can point me to design
flaws:
https://imgur.com/a/HauPL since i am hitting a
speedwall at about 325 m/s ):
L281[11:20:56] <Althego> the engines
L282[11:21:03] <Althego> tried
afterbuerner?
L283[11:21:22] <Althego> but even then, i
would recommend the old turbojets, or better, the rapiers
L284[11:21:32] <Althego> because those
have higher maximum airbreathing speed
L285[11:21:37] <Althego> and cut the nukes
to 1
L286[11:21:45] <Althego> they are
heavy
L287[11:22:27] <Althego> with 4 of those
engines on afterburning you should be able o go supersonic
L288[11:22:32] *
GuestBanana takes notes as an SSTO noob
L289[11:22:44] <Althego> but as i said,
best is rapier
L290[11:22:57] <Althego> takeoff is hard,
but then they giveso much when supersonic
L291[11:23:05] <dreadkopp> stripped the
nukes completely to reduce weight but that did not help. rapiers
not unlocked yet (next stage for research ceneter is pretty
expensive haha (
L292[11:23:21] <Althego> then the
turbojets
L293[11:23:27] <Althego> i always forget
their name wheesley or what
L294[11:24:01] <dreadkopp> D-30F7 ? had
those on before... performed even worse than the panters in
wet/afterburn mode :P
L295[11:24:08] <Althego> no
L296[11:24:23] <dreadkopp> ah, the j-33
wheesley ...
L297[11:24:23] <Althego> the big black
things
L298[11:24:47] <Althego> 2 of that should
put a plane this size to around 1200 m/s
L299[11:24:51] <Blaank> Rapiers are super
expensive so don't throw them away on career mode.
L300[11:24:54] <dreadkopp> no big black
things here haha :P the wheesleys are relatively small and white
:P
L301[11:24:57] <Althego> or even up to
1300
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L303[11:25:31] <Althego> heh i forget
their name
L304[11:25:42] <Althego> then
whiplash
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L306[11:25:54] <Blaank> Yeah, whiplash are
good.
L307[11:25:56] <Althego> to me they are
forever the turbojets
L308[11:26:04] <Blaank> I like that
everything got a name.
L309[11:26:07] <Blaank> Makes it a lot
easier.
L310[11:26:11] <Althego> yes it
helps
L311[11:26:32] <Blaank> And I've come to
accept that in nearly every case, Reliant > Swivel.
L312[11:26:44] <dreadkopp> lemme check my
tech tree really quick :P
L313[11:26:59] <GuestBanana> except in
early career/science when you can't pitch very well
L314[11:27:03] <dreadkopp> need those
atomic lighbulbs again haha.
L315[11:27:08] <Althego> also did you try
running the afterburner on these?
L318[11:27:33] <Blaank> As soon as you get
elevron 1, you are good forever.
L319[11:27:36] <Althego> but whatever the
number of engines these will not get you to more than, hmm i dont
remember maybe more than 700 m/s
L320[11:27:44] <Blaank> Until you get to
the 3.75m anyway.
L321[11:28:25] <Blaank> I do not recognize
those engines.
L322[11:28:29] <Blaank> Also, nice
wings.
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L324[11:28:50] <dreadkopp> Interstellar
extended mod
L325[11:29:14] <dreadkopp> currently this
is New Horizons + Interstellar extended and a few other mods i
cannot remember XD
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L327[11:29:34] <GuestBanana> Okay, who put
"check yo stagin" on the chat banner?
L328[11:29:49] <Althego> you know what i
challenge myself to a half hour ssto
L329[11:29:57] <dreadkopp> haha :)
L330[11:30:00] <GuestBanana> I just found
out about those shirts today and am regretting not buying
them
L331[11:30:09] <Althego> check yo
stagin?
L332[11:30:20] <Althego> ah yes that
L334[11:30:45] <kmath> YouTube - Check....
Check.. Check.
L335[11:30:52] <GuestBanana> alright gotta
eat lunch
L336[11:30:56] <GuestBanana>
sayonara
L337[11:30:58] <dreadkopp> problem is
currently i need some cheap reusable ssto otherwise i cannot get
enough money to proceed research XD Or i could grind contracts for
like 20h ... but that won'T be any fun :P
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L340[11:32:45] <Blaank> Leave sats in
orbit and do the science from X missions for cash.
L341[11:33:04] <Blaank> I have a probe
with a thermometer parked in orbit of an landed on each body.
L342[11:33:31] <Blaank> How fast did those
shirts sell out?
L343[11:34:15] <dreadkopp> science ->
cash might even work ... lemme see
L344[11:35:21] <Blaank> That's a bad idea
unless you are maxed out.
L345[11:35:45] <JCB> you could do
achievments...
L346[11:36:01] <JCB> its a little bit of
cash... at least
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L348[11:40:57] <Althego> so first try of
the minimalistic ssto, lets call it the minimalistic
L349[11:43:06] <JCB> ssto just to get to
space or you had something specific in mind?
L350[11:43:32] <dreadkopp> JCB: i need
roughly 2.5 Mio to continue :P
L351[11:43:57] <dreadkopp> i could shoot
some probes to other planets / moons but that won't be enough
L352[11:44:43] <JCB> ... Mio?
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L354[11:48:27] <Mathuin> Add the Field
Research contract pack, it'll help you round out corner cases in
your research collection for cash.
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L356[11:51:06] <Althego> first try made it
to 2100
L357[11:51:10] <Althego> need a bit more
fuel
L358[11:51:19] <Althego> break, 9 mintes
remaining
L359[11:52:59] <JCB> k... though 2100
what..?
L360[11:53:30] <JCB> I've mostly just been
messing with ideas, kind of lost my drive a bit to push into the
game like I used to
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L364[11:57:23] <Althego> m/s
L365[11:57:25] <Althego> continuing
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L367[12:01:12] <JCB> ah...
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L369[12:02:01] <JCB> curious what
engines
L370[12:03:11] <Mathuin> JCB: most of my
game interest lately has gone meta. Learning about addons and how
to write them, looking at kRPC and kOS, that sort of thing.
L371[12:04:33] <Althego> this reached
orbital speed, but too flat trajectory, majbe i try again
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L373[12:05:57] <Althego> heh almost
L374[12:06:15] <Althego> looks like the
challenge will fail, because i dont have time for another ascent in
the half an hour
L375[12:06:47] <JCB> I haven't gotten the
latest... jsut been lazy
L376[12:07:48] <JCB> I've a few sessions
going, and a sandbox that's pretty much blank at this moment. I
find myself mostly messing with aircraft, the occasional lander or
probe idea.. the past while been sick so has killed a lot of
motivation
L377[12:09:09] <Blaank> 1.1 km/s at 9km is
really hard.
L378[12:09:22] <Mathuin> Part testing
mission?
L379[12:09:33] <Blaank> haul a twin board
to 6-9km at 1km/s
L380[12:09:40] <Blaank> May end up
dropping it.
L381[12:09:47] <Blaank> From pogo
launch
L382[12:09:52] <Althego> why is it that in
ksp how wings look natural they never work correctly
L383[12:11:43] <JCB> just the way they are
modeled..
L384[12:11:54] <JCB> everyone's got their
own thoughts on stock vs FAR...
L385[12:12:18] <dreadkopp> making
progress... now i need to stop it from exploding XD
L388[12:12:33] <UmbralRaptor> Lear would
be so confused by KSP.
L389[12:13:06] <Blaank> Got the contract
done. 10 1/3 fuel kickbacks.
L390[12:14:13] <JCB> I've a few designs
that look alright
L391[12:15:59] <Althego> lol now it made
it easily with mroe fuel. my ascent was indeed wrong. reached 1400
on the 2 turbojets
L392[12:16:40] <Blaank> Thin frontal
profile will do you wonders on planes.
L393[12:17:07] <Blaank> Eliminate as many
external parts as you can.
L394[12:17:25] <Blaank> Fairings and
payload bays pay for themselves in reduced drag.
L395[12:17:32] <Althego> let's see how it
fared for reentry
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L397[12:17:54] <JCB> don't know... I did
alright with a MK3 as a cockpit.. though 1t cargo capacity
L398[12:18:31] <Blaank> SSTOs typically
have crap cargo. You have to make superb designs with nukes and
rapiers to get 30 tons and stuff.
L399[12:18:47] <JCB> mind you... 4
whiplash engines and a pair of swivels... sure the rapiers do
wonders but always felt kind of cheaty
L400[12:19:41] <JCB> I wouldn't know..
most of my ssto's are small.. the Dakota was really meant as a crew
transfer to a LKO station with maybe some resuply if I used
inventory mod
L401[12:19:41] <Blaank> Rapiers are the
best engines past mach 1.7 or so.
L402[12:20:01] <JCB> I tried large sized
SSTO's in earlier games, game either struggled or wings just blew
off
L403[12:21:03] <JCB> did make a really
nice cargo plane.. small though. wish I could figure out a way to
make a little base that can be transported out
L404[12:24:01] <Althego> decelaring
rapidly. trajectory too short for landing, but survives, and has
lot of fuel to make it back
L405[12:24:32] <Mathuin> Recently saw a
video (probably posted here or reddit) where the cargo taken to
orbit was actually part of the middle of the SSTO.
L406[12:24:44] <Mathuin> Orange tank IIRC
but could work with other things.
L408[12:27:31] <kmath> YouTube - Building
a Single-Launch Duna Base Using an SSTO! - KSP
L409[12:27:39] <Mathuin> Goodness.
L410[12:28:03] <Blaank> Dude is
crazy.
L411[12:28:42] <dreadkopp> 46km@1700 m/s
.... that's some improvement ... those TORY nuclear ramjets seem
broken for me though ...
L412[12:29:10] <Blaank> 14 rapiers, 5
nukes, 30 tons to Duna's surface and back.
L413[12:29:23] <Althego> haha
hazardish
L414[12:29:25] <Blaank> Mod parts throw
everything off.
L415[12:29:26] <Althego> is really
good
L416[12:29:33] <Blaank> He's better than
Scott.
L417[12:29:35] <Althego> too bad he is not
thrustworthy anymore
L418[12:29:40] <Blaank> What
happened?
L419[12:29:46] <Althego> he cheated in two
videos
L420[12:29:46] <JCB> one of his
creations
L421[12:29:51] <JCB> oh.. two now
L422[12:29:53] <Blaank> which ones?
L423[12:29:54] <JCB> meh..
L424[12:29:58] <Blaank> And how?
L425[12:29:58] <JCB> tilt wing one of
htem
L426[12:29:58] <Althego> and matt lowne
(another crazy good) and other pointed it out
L427[12:30:38] <JCB> I've been debating on
doing a video or two of my own
L429[12:31:08] <Althego> i recommend matt
lowne too
L430[12:31:42] <Althego> it was the tilt
wing and the one tank to tylo and back i think
L431[12:31:58] <Blaank> And what kind of
cheats?
L432[12:32:02] <Althego> there is a video
about these with him on matt lowne
L433[12:32:14] <Blaank> Link?
L434[12:32:30] <Althego> the tilt wing
was, he built it in one ksp version ,didnt work in the one he
actually flew it
L435[12:32:34] <Althego> so he modified
the mass of parts
L437[12:32:56] <kmath> YouTube - Interview
with Hazard-ish
L438[12:33:10] <Althego> i dont remember
exactly the tylo one
L439[12:33:23] <Althego> it was something
along the lines it was almost working
L440[12:34:10] <JCB> egh.. parts
mod'n
L441[12:34:23] <Blaank> eeeesh, Hazardish,
I thought you were better than that.
L442[12:34:28] <JCB> lol.. probably would
have been easier to just drop gravity a little
L443[12:34:34] <GuestBanana> oh not this
again
L444[12:34:35] <Blaank> plain old infinite
fuel on one of them.
L445[12:35:40] <GuestBanana> one of my
favorite things about the ksp community is that there is little to
no drama
L446[12:36:21] <GuestBanana> the worst
thing I've ever seen is the CKAN vs. RoverDude escalation
L447[12:36:51] <Althego> landed
succesfully
L448[12:36:58] <JCB> ugh drama... people
still having to shoo away those 'flatearthers'?
L449[12:37:23] <Althego> hehe
L450[12:37:50] <Althego> the infinite fuel
was an accident
L451[12:37:56] <Althego> that ship was
capable
L452[12:38:00] <GuestBanana> worse: people
that have some sort of divine holy order which only permits them to
use stock
L453[12:38:02] <Althego> it was just left
on after testing
L454[12:38:16] <Althego> i use stock only,
except for ker
L455[12:38:16] <Mathuin> I *like*
"only stock" performance parts.
L456[12:38:30] <Mathuin> I do like
software enhancement stuff like MJ and KER.
L457[12:38:41] <Mathuin> But for actual
building I use stock only.
L458[12:39:29] <GuestBanana> I haven't
used mods yet, but I'm OPEN to it and will not actually bully
and/or other people due to their decision
L459[12:39:45] <JCB> I'm not /just stock/
.. I've used mods before. Just... things keep changing so much,
gets to be a bit of a headache at times
L460[12:39:46] <GuestBanana> *and/or
exclude
L461[12:39:52] <dreadkopp> without mods
it's only half as fun though
L462[12:39:55] <ve2dmn> I like Stockalike
:D
L463[12:39:55] <dreadkopp> imho
L464[12:40:00] <Mathuin> I wouldn't bully
anyone, I'm just less impressed with their success if they use
additional parts outside stock.
L465[12:40:21] <dreadkopp> i try to use
mods that keep it balanced though
L466[12:40:29] <JCB> I've always thought,
within reason...
L467[12:40:55] <GuestBanana> i've heard
the /r/kerbalspaceprogram discord is kind of rude in that manner,
but i haven't actually seen it
L468[12:41:05] <Mathuin> But there are
those who think I suck because I let GravityTurn and MechJeb take
care of the details of ascent, and ForScience the
clicky-on-the-science stuff.
L469[12:41:08] <dreadkopp> New Horizons
just for a new experience (some contracts are broken but besides
that it's really nice). KSPIE is well balanced imho
L471[12:41:55] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: I
guess the rule for most people is: "If it doesn't break the
immersion, the mod is ok"
L472[12:42:06] <dreadkopp> mechjeb for
stats and auto execution of nodes. node calculation broken with new
horizons anyways :P
L473[12:42:09] <JCB> I would'nt mind
getting a few utils for helping with designing... maybe the one mod
that gives clouds..
L474[12:43:06] <dreadkopp> Althego: two
panthers and a swivel, righty ?
L475[12:43:16] <Althego> no, 2
turbojets
L476[12:43:18] <Althego> whats its
name
L477[12:43:22] <dreadkopp> ah..
L478[12:43:25] <Mathuin> Oh, pretty mods
are also fine with me. :-)
L479[12:43:34] <Althego> the
whiplash
L480[12:43:38] <dreadkopp> haven't
unlocked those yet afaik :P
L481[12:43:51] <Althego> then i say you
are better off not building an ssto
L482[12:44:05] <Althego> and also the
shock nose cones
L483[12:44:08] <GuestBanana> I don't want
to create any drama either, but YT has been oozing with it this
year
L484[12:44:19] <dreadkopp> how much Δv in
LKO ?
L485[12:44:24] <GuestBanana> lemme revise
that statement
L486[12:44:30] <Althego> not much, around
700
L487[12:44:34] <Althego> one of the
engines was starving with the lesser intakes
L488[12:44:43] <dreadkopp> oh
L489[12:44:59] <GuestBanana> I don't want
to create any more of it, but YT has been oozing with drama this
year
L490[12:45:00] <JCB> I've done some early
career ssto's, though they were sorta more rocket with wings, ala
cruise missile style
L491[12:45:45] <Gasher> as usual, ssto
does not imply relying on lift at all
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L493[12:47:50] <JCB> early games, I did a
rocket, used the aerospike engine, and drop tanks...
L494[12:48:22] <GuestBanana> just got to
see it because awful internet
L495[12:48:23] <GuestBanana> good job
JCB
L496[12:48:45] <JCB> was a polar probe
launcher. the last tank was used as structure for antenna and the
engine.
L497[12:49:20] <JCB> mind you.. early
games.. prior to heat modeling
L498[12:49:36] <JCB> can still do it but
fairings are needed and gets a tad more.. complicated
L499[12:49:58] <Gasher> i'd say with KER
its easy to make an SSTO :)
L500[12:49:58] <Althego> the problem with
sstos in the game and in real life, we can make them realtively
easily but then there is no payload, just as on this onw
L501[12:50:19] <Gasher> well yeah, i'm not
saying it would be good or efficient
L502[12:50:39] <Gasher> just a large blob
of empty tanks and engines orbiting
L503[12:50:49] <GuestBanana> DuoDex: I
don't know if you're on or not, but I was surfing reddit and
noticed how many subreddits you moderate (including KSP and a few
Paradox titles). Good job, sir/madam, keep it up!
L504[12:51:01] <Althego> i wonder if other
people are annoyed by the phrase "dark side of the moon"
when they mean the "far side of the moon"
L505[12:51:12] *
UmbralRaptor is
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L507[12:53:33] <JCB> eh.. I'm not
surprised there'd be alot of people saying SSTO's are just a waste
of time and money.. probably still feeling a little burned from the
space shuttle project..
L508[12:54:13] <Althego> that was not an
ssto
L509[12:54:18] <Althego> that is why it
failed
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L511[12:54:37] <Althego> had to be
assembled every time, and complete engine maintenance in all 3
ssmes
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L513[12:56:02] <JCB> ok maybe thinking
spaceplane but still.. people thought it was a waste
L514[12:56:19] <JCB> then again... people
think going to space is a waste too but eh
L515[12:56:40] <Mathuin> If we cannot have
a SSTO in the sense that one craft going up into orbit and back
with all the pieces still attached, the SpaceX approach is a good
substitute.
L516[12:57:02] <dreadkopp> falcon 9 is
kinda ssto
L517[12:57:08] <JCB> LKO vs earth low
orbit... velocity needed is pretty big jump.. 2200m/s vs something
like 7.8km/s....
L518[12:58:19] <UmbralRaptor> dreadkopp:
uh
L519[12:59:03] <UmbralRaptor> JCB,
Althego: also, X-33 and DC-X dieing.
L520[13:00:22] <dreadkopp> UmbralRaptor:
yeah... DSTO XD ...
L521[13:00:42] <dreadkopp> BFR should be
SSTO though, shouldn'T it ?
L522[13:01:56] <ve2dmn> I wonder what
Backcronym they will find for BFR
L523[13:03:05] <JCB> that BFR he wants to
use to go to mars with.. ya ... I dn't know about that.
L524[13:03:39] <JCB> 100 people a shot...
that small a living space for.. what good portion of a year? Sure
they thought that through fully?
L525[13:05:39] <Althego> big falcon
rocket
L526[13:05:43] <Althego> that is its
official name
L527[13:05:53] <Althego> although
everybody thinks something else :)
L529[13:06:52] <Althego> i remember when i
read about bfg in doom (the original), the text contained something
like, yes that is what you think it is, and i couldnt find it
out
L530[13:07:06] <Althego> but hey i was
like 12
L531[13:08:21] <JCB> dreadkopp maybe they
just indicators?
L532[13:08:41] <Althego> hehe
L533[13:09:00] <JCB> mind you... I recall
some issue pilots had with a certain aircraft autopilot not too
long ago
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L535[13:09:08] <dreadkopp> would have
assumed some fancy touchscreen buttons. indicator for cabin
depressurisation that small isn'T the best idea either XD
L536[13:09:31] <Althego> cabin fire
L537[13:09:38] <Althego> is that a command
too?
L538[13:09:47] <ve2dmn> Althego: you made
me read the Doom wikipedia page...
L539[13:09:47] <JCB> kind of why I thought
indicator
L541[13:10:10] <Althego> yes, for years it
was doom clone
L542[13:10:23] <Althego> they were really
clones
L543[13:10:30] <Althego> not too bad but
not good either
L544[13:10:30] <ve2dmn> No only for the
look, but for the fact that the title says 'Usenet posts'
L545[13:10:40] <Althego> except maybe
heretic and hexen
L546[13:10:58] <JCB> wonder if quake had
any effect on things when it came out... ooh true 3d maps
L547[13:11:04] <Althego> and descent was
completely separate even then
L548[13:11:20] <JCB> aw... I really liked
Descent ;)
L549[13:11:24] <Althego> descent was true
3d maps too. the only thing was not 3d are the powerups
L550[13:11:40] <JCB> lol.. 3d
controls..
L551[13:11:44] <JCB> learned to finger
dance
L552[13:12:04] <JCB> mind you.. keypad
really helped a lot. forget playing on laptop without
L553[13:12:44] <ve2dmn> I played with a
joystick...
L554[13:12:51] <ve2dmn> (Decent, no
doom)
L555[13:13:14] <ve2dmn> but the sticks
seems to have died with the popularity of gamepad
L556[13:13:24] <JCB> was mostly keyboard
myself.. did have flight stick but had troubles figuring out button
configs
L557[13:13:55] <JCB> also ugh.. early days
of trying to strafe with mouse, turn with keyboard.. lol
L558[13:14:09] <Althego> hehehe
L559[13:14:13] <JCB> but hey.. we were
learning what worked and what didn't
L560[13:14:21] <ve2dmn> I still think that
playing an FPS with a gamepad is a heresie
L561[13:14:27] <Althego> hehe
L562[13:14:36] <JCB> mm... analog
stic
L563[13:15:29] <JCB> can't say I ever did
fps without a mouse.. though do recall a gensis game or two which
tried fps
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L566[13:16:28] <Mathuin> I was at a party
once where someone played GTA with DDR pads.
L567[13:16:31] <Mathuin> Lots of
exercise.
L568[13:17:11] <JCB> I still recall that
hex ring sega tried out... like the pad but could measure leg and
arms when you stuck them out
L569[13:17:34] <JCB> then we learned..
more is not always better
L570[13:18:37] <Mathuin> I learned that
from the DDR version with the hand wand thing
L572[13:21:42] <JCB> think an arcade
machine or two tried using a version of it...
L574[13:23:54] <ve2dmn> I don't know where
he's from, but he's getting a taste of the Montreal weather
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L576[13:25:06] <ve2dmn> It's the first big
snow fall of the season
L577[13:25:11] <Althego> made into orbit
with panthers, but only 170 m/s remaining
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L584[13:38:22] <Althego> at 16 km the
panthers give enough thrust to maintain a graceful glide
L585[13:40:58] <oren> Panther/Poodle SSTO
is a great option
L586[13:42:16] <Althego> waste of around
500 m/s
L587[13:44:25] <Althego> no, i will not
build another laythe ssto
L588[13:46:18] <Althego> i could probably
go to eeloo with a gravity assist
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L591[14:01:55] <Blaank> I hate
SSTOs.
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L593[14:01:58] <Blaank> No boosters.
L594[14:03:17] <Althego> you can add some
cheap solid boosters and that is a valid compromise
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L596[14:04:34] <UmbralRaptor> …
L597[14:04:59] <UmbralRaptor> Attaching
SRBs to your SSTO is blasphemous.
L598[14:05:27] <Althego> then it is not an
ssto
L599[14:05:41] <Althego> but loses only
the cheap parts
L600[14:06:10] <Althego> or maybe drop
tanks
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L606[14:08:15] <tawny> you can put the
srbs on there and then not drop them?
L607[14:10:27] <Althego> that is tupid,
those are heavy
L608[14:10:35] <Althego> you want to drop
them
L609[14:10:53] <Althego> or not use them
at all
L611[14:12:00] <Althego> hehe
L612[14:12:11] <Althego> what is its
takeoff speed?
L613[14:12:17] <Althego> interesting
shape
L614[14:12:30] <Blaank> Change the drain
rates on the tanks so the front one drains later.
L615[14:12:47] <Blaank> You need to check
the CoM and CoL with all tanks empty to ensure it doesn't shift too
much.
L616[14:12:58] <Althego> or better, design
it so that whatever the fuel level it is stable
L617[14:13:15] <Blaank> My guess is fuel
drains out of the front and makes CoM move back and then it becomes
unstable.
L618[14:13:24] <Althego> doesnt do that
anymore
L619[14:13:33] <dreadkopp> Blaank: nearly
no fuel drained at that point Althego: ~120 m/s at the dropoff at
the end of the runway. drops to 65m height then ascends :P
L620[14:13:44] <Blaank> It drains
everywhere evenly but depending on where the tanks are the CoM can
still shift a lot.
L621[14:14:22] <dreadkopp> guess i will
just grind some missions for the 1.5 Million K$ i need for next
development stage :(
L622[14:14:25] <Blaank> Does it have air
intakes underneath?
L623[14:14:45] <dreadkopp> nope, just on
top
L624[14:14:55] <Blaank> Drag is out of
line with thrust. It flips.
L625[14:14:57] <dreadkopp> and a version
with two additional ones on the side
L626[14:15:30] <dreadkopp> weird i can go
1.3km/s @15 km though and @ 35 km it flips ..
L627[14:15:35] <Blaank> Put the shock cone
intake on the front instead of a nose cone. then put two round fuel
tanks on the sides and attach the wing to them.
L628[14:15:51] <Blaank> And shock cone on
the front of them.
L629[14:15:53] <dreadkopp> no shock cone
intake yet ;)
L630[14:16:07] <Blaank> SSTO are kind of a
joke without them.
L631[14:16:10] <Althego> at 35 km it
shouldnt flip
L632[14:16:13] <Althego> too little
atmosphere
L633[14:16:17] <Blaank> CoT not behind
CoM
L634[14:16:26] <Blaank> Will still turn.
Shouldn't cartwheel.
L635[14:18:15] <Althego> there is a reason
i try to make my planes not too long, the fuel balance
L636[14:18:29] <Althego> wait
L639[14:18:35] <Althego> which direction
does it move?
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L641[14:18:38] <Althego> left/right?
L642[14:18:43] <Althego> that is engine
starwed
L643[14:18:48] <Althego> hah
L644[14:18:51] <Althego> what are you
doing here?
L645[14:18:59] <Althego> look at the fuel
requirements met
L646[14:19:06] <Blaank> As fuel drains,
the CoM is going to move backwards.
L647[14:19:07] <Althego> there is a
percentage in the right click menu
L648[14:19:33] <Althego> and one side was
less than 100%
L649[14:19:34] <dreadkopp> nope. flips
over. + there is like no fuel drained at this point since the two
nervs are running for like 30 secs
L650[14:19:38] <Althego> with the normal
intake
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L652[14:19:59] <dreadkopp> the two jet
engines are nuclear and will just heat air basically without fuel
drain
L653[14:20:30] <Blaank> Nuclear
jets.
L654[14:20:32] <Althego> haha cheater
engine
L655[14:20:45] <Blaank> What direction
does it flip?
L656[14:20:50] <Blaank> Backflip or
side?
L657[14:21:09] <dreadkopp> backflip
L658[14:21:24] <Blaank> Did it flip right
as you turned off the nuclear jets?
L659[14:21:40] <dreadkopp> i just let them
burn out though....
L660[14:21:43] <Althego> haha
L661[14:21:44] <Althego> wait
L662[14:21:47] <Althego> the nuclear
engines
L663[14:21:55] <Althego> are they
thrusting through the center of mass?
L664[14:21:58] <Blaank> Their thrust and
gimballing were counteracting the drag on the upper intakes.
L665[14:22:04] <Blaank> When they turn
off, you flip.
L666[14:22:14] <Blaank> Drag is out of
line of thrust.
L667[14:22:29] <Blaank> Gotta move those
overhead intakes to the side, then slap the wings on them.
L668[14:22:41] <dreadkopp> aye :)
L669[14:24:50] <dreadkopp> totally makes
sense if one thinks about it haha ;)
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L671[14:26:20] <GuestBanana> hey
everyone
L672[14:27:55] <UmbralRaptor> Grim
Fandango is free on GOG.
L673[14:28:42] <GuestBanana> never heard
of it, googling now
L674[14:28:48] <GuestBanana> thanks
L675[14:29:00] <Althego> ksp is off 24
instead of 40 eur
L676[14:29:27] <GuestBanana> Oh, you
haven't got the right deal, mister
L677[14:29:38] <GuestBanana> I got it a
year ago for $13.
L678[14:29:46] <Althego> i got it in
2014
L679[14:30:00] <Althego> best buy
ever
L680[14:30:59] <Mathuin> Grim Fandango is
a game by the guy behind DoubleFine. I think it was done while he
was still at LucasArts, because I was able to buy it when I
contracted at Lucasfilm.
L681[14:31:48] <Mathuin> This version is
"Remastered" whatever that means and it will run on
Linux.
L682[14:31:53] <Blaank> Matt Lowe keeps
talking about eye surgery.
L683[14:32:03] <Althego> yes that was
weird
L684[14:32:50] <Mathuin> Wrt DF: I really
like Broken Age, I really hate what they did to SpaceBase
DF-9.
L685[14:32:58] <Mathuin> So I'm conflicted
on giving them money.
L686[14:33:16] <Mathuin> Not so conflicted
on free, though. :-)
L687[14:34:06] <Blaank> Grim Fandango is
legendary and old.
L688[14:35:26] <sandbox> 20 years
old
L689[14:35:37] <Althego> a good old
game
L690[14:35:46] <sandbox> give or take a
year
L691[14:36:40] <GuestBanana> Blaank: In
case you didn't know, Matt's an eye doctor
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L693[14:36:51] <Blaank> I figured that out
pretty quickly.
L694[14:37:20] <GuestBanana> but he's a
brit that's also an eye doctor, so that changes things up
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L697[14:40:11] <sandbox> huh?
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L701[14:59:35] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
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L703[15:00:52] <GuestBanana> In that case,
good evening to you too, Supernovy.
L704[15:01:41] <Althego> night
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L709[15:47:17] <USB4> Anyone here a
modder?
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L711[15:48:58] <USB4> Ive made a turbojet
with a fin to be a control surface, however its rotating the
control surface forwards and backwards instead of left and right.
Does anyone know how to change this short of what Im guessing id
have to do in turning the part in unity first?
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L713[15:56:13] <SnoopJeDi> USB4, you might
want #kspmodders
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L715[15:59:06] <USB4> #kspmodders
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L719[16:21:01] <taniwha> no, not
kspmodders, kspmodding
L720[16:21:13] <taniwha> kspmodders hasn't
been about ksp modding for a long time :(
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L722[16:25:26] <USB4> damn
L723[16:25:32] <USB4> well then Il try
taht
L724[16:25:50] <USB4> thanks
L725[16:27:36] <USB4> I guess both none of
these are particularly alive are they.
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L751[17:55:14] <kmath> YouTube - Nuclear
Reactor Pulse and Startup Compilation 2017
L752[17:58:05] <TheKosmonaut> Mmmm. That
inviting blue glow.
L753[17:58:43] <TheKosmonaut> Thanks mr
Cerenkov
L754[17:59:40] <Fluburtur> those ultrafast
startups and stops are interesting
L755[17:59:52] <Fluburtur> and some
comments are very informative on this one
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L760[18:07:12] <Ferdz> Hey everyone, I was
hoping to get some assistance with nuclear engines when using
interstellar extended mod. Seems my engines do not cool down when
going into timewarp :/
L761[18:07:56] <Ferdz> efficiency just
keeps dropping till I can barely get any thrust
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L764[18:24:02] <taniwha> do you have
sufficient radiators?
L765[18:25:13] <Ferdz> I believe I do, all
the numbers are green when looking in the helper when building
taniwha
L766[18:25:38] <taniwha> then no clue,
I've never used the mod
L767[18:27:49] <Ferdz> Any recommendations
of late game mods that could make the game more interesting?
L768[18:29:09] <Supernovy> There was a
couple of ones that teleport/warp/whatever ships around if you
build the infrastructure
L769[18:31:33] <Ferdz> Oh yeah I did see a
video about something like that
L770[18:31:41] <Ferdz> Like a warp gate
could be very cool
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L772[18:34:17] <Ferdz> Another question,
in this video (and many others) Matt
https://youtu.be/GYrw_OHuvQY is able to physical
timewarp while thrusting, how is he able to do that? I only see to
be able to activate real timewarp when in space
L773[18:34:17] <kmath> YouTube - KSP:
Capturing a Magic Asteroid!
L774[18:38:21] <Supernovy> What do you
mean? alt-> does physwarp in space, apart from some mods, you
can't do on-rails warp while accelerating.
L775[18:39:03] <Ferdz> Oh I didn't know
there was a shortcut for it, always just clicked the arrows
L776[18:46:02] <dreadkopp> hmmm.. anyone
can help me with this contract maybe? last thing i need to match is
having my vessel on a crash course with kerbin. i am pretty sure i
have:)
https://imgur.com/a/wqn5K
L778[18:46:24] <dreadkopp> even warping to
atmosphere reentry does not trigger the contract :/
L779[18:55:21] <Supernovy> It probably
doesn't like being on an escape trajectory
L780[18:56:19] <dreadkopp> ah okay... let
me try ... so much ∆v wasted :(
L781[18:56:21] <Supernovy> either
propulsive capture or aerocapture then have the periapsis below
zero
L782[18:56:26] <Supernovy> might
work
L783[18:59:35] <dreadkopp> you where right
:) once in a orbit around kerbin breaking for a orbit with
periapsis <70km contract was completed :) still took me ~900 m/s
:/
L784[18:59:44] <Ferdz> Does it matter if
an ssto's center of gravity is above the center of mass?
L785[19:00:59] <tawny> those are mostly
the same thing unless your ssto is really large, I think
L786[19:01:09] <dreadkopp> center of
gravity == center of mass unless i am stupid or you broke physics
;)
L787[19:01:16] <Ferdz> crap I meant the
center of lift*
L788[19:01:23] <Ferdz> center of lift is
below the center of mass
L789[19:01:29] <tawny> haha
L790[19:01:53] <Ferdz> didn't break
physics, just my brain
L791[19:01:57] <dreadkopp> Ferdz: well you
might run into trouble in low to zero gravity
L792[19:01:59] <tawny> that means it'll be
more maneuverable than stable
L793[19:02:34] <Ferdz> It seems to get
above the athmosphere
L794[19:02:35] <tawny> if your center of
lift is below and also behind the center of mass, that should be a
little safer
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L796[19:03:19] <tawny> also if your
engines have a strong enough twr they can kinda overpower any
irregular lift
L797[19:03:34] <tawny> but if they have a
high twr then that also means your ssto can carry a much higher
payload so
L798[19:03:51] <Ferdz> hmmm
L799[19:04:57] <Ferdz> Is there a
technique to attach more engines to an mk3 engine mount? Tried with
bicouplers but their clipping destroyed my engine :(
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L802[19:06:14] <Ferdz> I guess bicouplers
and moving them can work
L805[19:12:28] <Ferdz> Update, it didn't
work lol
L806[19:15:53] <Ferdz> Is there a way to
skip one of those career missions?
L807[19:16:14] <Ferdz> docking around the
sun doesn't seem fun at all
L808[19:18:48] <taniwha> docking around
the sun is easier than docking around Minmus
L809[19:19:35] <Ferdz> I know, that's why
i say it's not fun :p
L810[19:20:13] <taniwha> find a way other
than difficulty to make it fun
L811[19:20:36] <Ferdz> I'm trying to do it
over SSTOs
L812[19:20:54] <Ferdz> Got my 3rd design
to gilly
L813[19:21:27] <taniwha> that makes only
the getting into space part fun
L814[19:21:40] <Ferdz> Any
suggestions?
L815[19:22:00] <taniwha> give the mission
a purpose other than fulfilling a contract
L816[19:23:27] <Supernovy> surface attach
them, with a BZ-52 or a couple engine types can be directly surface
attached.
L817[19:24:56] <Ferdz> What's surface
attaching exactly?
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L819[19:26:19] <Supernovy> attaching
something to the surface of a part rather than its stack
nodes
L820[19:26:32] <Ferdz> Hmmm
L821[19:26:40] <Supernovy> the aerospike
and the vector can be surface attached, perhaps some others
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L823[19:29:10] <Ferdz> Are there any
inline stabilizers for mk2 or mk3?
L824[19:29:38] <Supernovy> stabilisers as
in what? fins? reaction wheels?
L825[19:30:36] <Ferdz> reaction
wheels
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L827[19:34:29] <Supernovy> the mk2 drone
core has reaction wheels in it, otherwise you'll have to put
regular reaction wheels in cargo bays.
L828[19:35:03] <JCB> Heh.. I made a lander
probe with the Mk2 drone core...
L829[19:35:31] <JCB> called it hte
'cricket' because it had legs sticking out and little rocket motors
on the side parts
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L833[19:41:08] <Fluburtur> james
heilman
L834[19:41:12] <Fluburtur> james heal
man
L835[19:42:31] <UmbralRaptor> Would you
believe that the first one pings mods?
L836[19:42:53] <Fluburtur> because of an
arrangment of four particular letters?
L837[19:43:02] <UmbralRaptor> yeah
L838[19:43:53] <Fluburtur> makes sense I
guess
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L841[19:47:18] <JCB> too clsoe to nuclear
engines maybe? shrug.. heh, otherwise no idea
L842[19:49:15] <JCB> also.. noticed you
seem to be missing a rapier engine on the ring cluster
L843[19:49:42] <JCB> er.. n/m.. seem to be
missing two.. >_<
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L845[19:54:46] <Supernovy> sometimes it's
hot in space.
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L849[19:58:53] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and
daughters of Kerbin: Kerbal Kerbal Kerbal Kerbal Kerbal Khameleon!
You launch and burn, you launch and bu-uuuurn!
L850[20:03:08] <taniwha> *groan*
L851[20:03:35] <UmbralRaptor> ?
L852[20:03:40] <taniwha> (though I did
like the song back in the day)
L853[20:04:12] <taniwha> UmbralRaptor:
Culture Club, iirc
L854[20:05:27] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha: It
was all I could come up with that was distinctly apolitical.
L855[20:05:38] <Scolar_Visari> And it's
Kulture Klub now!
L856[20:06:02] <tawny> kareful with those
k's, if you add another one it'll stop being apolitical very very
fast
L857[20:06:13] <taniwha> Just because C is
redundant is no reason to go changing every instance to a K
:P
L858[20:06:26] <taniwha> tawny: heh
L859[20:06:31] <Scolar_Visari> THE
"K" MUST FLOW
L860[20:06:40] <tawny> I remember my
middle school had a culinary club
L861[20:06:49] <tawny> they named it the
kid's cooking club
L862[20:06:56] <tawny> except... they
replaced the c's with k's
L863[20:07:07] *
Scolar_Visari glares at, "Kethane". "No reason to go
changine every instance to a K" indeed. That wasn't even an
"C"!
L864[20:07:08] <tawny> somehow not a
single person saw a problem with that
L865[20:07:08] <taniwha> ... that would
have gone down well
L866[20:07:18] <taniwha> Scolar_Visari:
not me!
L867[20:07:24] <UmbralRaptor> Mmm… Kumin,
Kapsaicin,…
L868[20:07:31] <tawny> until they
eventually pulled the club a year or two later
L869[20:07:33] <taniwha> UmbralRaptor:
missed one :P
L870[20:07:41] <tawny> kapsaisin?
L871[20:07:43] <Scolar_Visari>
UmbralRaptor: It also works for Kuiche?
L872[20:07:51] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: It's
that saucy stuff.
L873[20:07:55] <UmbralRaptor> taniwha:
it's pronounced differently though.
L874[20:08:14] <taniwha> kapsikum is how I
hear it
L875[20:08:35] <UmbralRaptor> Paprika
looks like this already happened.
L876[20:08:53] <taniwha> more like it was
never converted to a c in the first place
L877[20:08:58] <Scolar_Visari> Ice
Kream.
L878[20:09:01] <Scolar_Visari>
Kustard.
L879[20:09:06] <Scolar_Visari>
Kookies.
L880[20:09:13] <Scolar_Visari> MY WORK
HERE IS DONE.
L881[20:10:26] <UmbralRaptor>
Kaffeine
L882[20:10:44] <UmbralRaptor>
Tumerik
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L886[20:13:56] <UmbralRaptor> And
shrinking =(
L887[20:14:10] <Scolar_Visari> Don't
worry, Red Spot Jr. will surely grow up to take its place!
L888[20:14:44] <Scolar_Visari> Albeit in
the wrong hemisphere.
L889[20:15:23] <taniwha> juno pro? did
NASA stick a gopro on juno?
L890[20:16:21] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha:
That sounds about right.
L891[20:17:11] *
Scolar_Visari notes JunoCam gets less than two
megapixels.
L892[20:18:30] <Scolar_Visari> Mind you,
JunoCam was originally expected to die a lot sooner than its
current projection courtesy of Juno's less killtacular orbit.
L893[20:18:31] <taniwha> the pixel
stretching is quite evident on the sides
L894[20:19:04] <taniwha> "pixel
stretching? FAKE, FAKE!"
L895[20:20:08] <taniwha> (to me, rather
than fake, it indicates how the photos were put together to get the
nice animation)
L897[20:21:24] <taniwha> there's a scary
monster in the bottom left!!!
L898[20:21:25] <taniwha> ;)
L899[20:22:01] <Scolar_Visari> Here be
monsters! . . . And a sea of metallic hydrogen.
L900[20:26:22] *
Scolar_Visari ponders the recent glut of terrible World War II
articles by National [dis]Interest
L901[20:26:50] <Scolar_Visari> For
example: "How Nazi Germany Could Have Won World War II: Not
Declaring War on America?"
L902[20:27:31] <Scolar_Visari> You know
what would have made that a reasonably accurate article title?
"How Nazi Germany Could Have Won World War II: Develop a Time
Machine?"
L903[20:28:34] <tawny> how nazi germany
could have won world war II: not being nazis
L904[20:29:08] <Scolar_Visari> tawny:
Command & Conquer Red Alert already covered that base.
L905[20:29:13] <tawny> haha
L906[20:29:23] <JCB> there is no winning
at work, just loosing. The best outcome is from not starting a war
at all...
L907[20:29:34] <JCB> erg.. no winning at
war... I mean.. shoot
L908[20:30:09] *
Scolar_Visari would really like to see an alt-history book where
Hitler ends up living a peaceful life as a rural water color
artist.
L909[20:30:27] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: What
an odd game. The only way to win is to immediately surrender.
L910[20:30:34] <Alanonzander> JCB, The
only winning move is not to play
L911[20:31:07] <Supernovy> Can they ever
go for another war?
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L913[20:31:21] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
World War I what ifs aren't nearly as entertaining.
L914[20:31:24] <Supernovy> Like "what
if the charge of the light brigade was successful"
L915[20:31:48] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
Like the horses magically escape getting shot?>
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L917[20:32:21] <Supernovy> Scolar_Visari:
Says you. Italy, the Ottomans, and the miracle at marne are all
fertile soil for whatiffery
L918[20:33:51] <Scolar_Visari> Here's a
plausible what-if: The specter of Bismarck possesses German
aristocracy and they decide not to help Austria in its Balkan
shenanigans, avoiding a general war.
L919[20:34:06] <Scolar_Visari> And by,
"specter of Bismarck" I mean, "they all suffered an
attack of common sense."
L920[20:34:46] <JCB> not really just
surrender...
L921[20:35:27] <Scolar_Visari> Or what if
Franz Joseph actually read the Serbian response to his ultimatum
and was all like, "Wow, I guess we really don't need to invade
them after all."
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L923[20:36:08] <Scolar_Visari> Or Tsar
Nicholas went, "You know . . . The Balkans aren't worth
risking a general war over."
L924[20:36:22] <JCB> we all talk about how
the war affected us... what about them? A few articles say, they'd
rather forget, a part of history seems they wish never
happened
L925[20:36:55] <Scolar_Visari> And, of
course, France decided, "You know, we didn't even LIKE
Alsace-Lorraine!"
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L927[20:37:55] <ConductingCat> Or Franz
Ferdinand didn't ride around with the top down on his convertable
after a bomb went off nearby.
L928[20:37:57] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: World
War I's one of those interesting cases where virtually ever major
power involved could've prevented an escalation into a general,
open ended war and elected not to.
L929[20:38:15] <Supernovy> France looks
nice a slim without it anyway.
L930[20:38:29] <Scolar_Visari>
ConductingCat: Or, better yet, decided one attempted murder was
enough for one week and called it a day and drove home.
L931[20:39:04] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
They sound like Germans, anyway.
L932[20:39:14] <Supernovy> or
"Ferdinand's driver remembers the way back from the
hospital" or "Princip's suicide pill wasn't past
expiry"
L933[20:39:51] *
Scolar_Visari should go back in time and give the driver a
navigation system and GPS network to operate it with.
L934[20:40:05] <Scolar_Visari> "To
avoid certain death, TURN RIGHT in 50 meters."
L935[20:41:11] <Supernovy> "what if
at least one nation ignored Belgium"
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L938[20:41:47] <Scolar_Visari> Psht, the
United Kingdom probably should've mentioned Belgium to Germany at
some point prior to the mobilization.
L939[20:42:10] <JCB> hm... ok so probe
launched from circular bay works.. was worried maybe orientation
mighta have messed with core's facing.. now to get enough power,
fuel to reache minmus...
L940[20:42:26] <Scolar_Visari> "Oh
yeah, if you ratters dare invade that Low Counties and look funny
at our majestic island from across the Channel, we might decide to
intervene."
L941[20:43:30] <Scolar_Visari> No one
cares what Italy does.
L942[20:43:59] <ConductingCat> Italy
hasn't mattered in centuries.
L943[20:44:14] <Supernovy> Italy cared
what Germany did, though.
L944[20:44:31] <JCB> been sorta reading on
the evolution of civilization during the roman times and on..
(starting from about 55BC in france-UK area)
L945[20:44:52] <Supernovy> in the prelude
to Albion?
L946[20:45:24] <Scolar_Visari>
ConductingCat: Not quite true, their nominal GDP's the eighth
largest in the world, coming ahead of Brazil, Canada, South Korea
and Russia. They're just more a super power now than two former
super powers!
L947[20:45:50] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: Lots
of Celts, than somewhat fewer Celts.
L948[20:46:15] <JCB> something like that..
says there wasn't much to go by prior to 55BC in the area...
L949[20:46:53] <JCB> it was a book I
picked up salvaged during a friend's move. been on my shelf for a
while, figured was something to read while had a few moments
L950[20:46:55] <Scolar_Visari> JCB:
Probably because the Celts were a less centralized lot, though the
British Celts didn't really leave/get exterminated as some older
histories liked to suggest.
L951[20:47:35] <ConductingCat> More like
assimilated.
L952[20:47:39] <Supernovy> I've read that
they celts came to the British isles from northern Iberia, which
makes me wonder if they're related to the Basque.
L953[20:48:02] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
That would make the later Spanish attempts at invading Britain all
the more entertaining.
L954[20:48:55] <Scolar_Visari>
ConductingCat: To varying degrees. Quite a bit of archaeological
evidence supports a surprising little change in British life.
L955[20:49:20] <Supernovy> Well what
happened to the Picts?
L956[20:49:42] <JCB> Mind you.. the book I
have dates to about late 60s-early 70s... I'm sure there are a lot
of gaps that weren't filled story wise
L957[20:50:04] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
They didn't like the fact that the Roman soldiers wore socks with
sandals. Savages.
L958[20:50:22] *
Scolar_Visari notes that there were Roman influences beyond the
fortified frontier, however.
L959[20:50:24] <JCB> I never got that
myself..
L960[20:50:42] <JCB> socks because.. ugly
toe nails or?
L961[20:51:11] <Scolar_Visari> It's
cold.
L962[20:51:36] <Scolar_Visari> Hadrian's
Wall and related fortifications were rather too northernly for your
typical Italian's liking.
L964[20:52:32] <Scolar_Visari> Though not
a Legionnarie, of course.
L965[20:53:43] <JCB> ugh.. no pants...
just a skirt?
L966[20:53:55] <Scolar_Visari> JCB:
Trousers were for Non-Roman Barbarians.
L967[20:54:22] <TheKosmonaut>
Absolutely_barbaric.jpg
L968[20:54:30] <JCB> was going to say...
get much of a draft with those things?
L969[20:55:37] <ConductingCat> Scots seem
to manage.
L970[20:56:07] <Scolar_Visari> The capes
did help.
L971[20:56:43] <Supernovy> There was
another wall even further north, but they abandoned that when they
realised all they got for their troubles was more Scotland.
L972[20:58:04] <Scolar_Visari> "You
know, Hadrian, why do we even bother with Northern Brittania?
There's literally one sunny day a year, it's not good farm land
and, as daft as this may sound, I don't think the natives much like
us."
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decorated with a mustache as was common with Japanese
armor.
L977[21:18:27] *
Scolar_Visari also ponders if there would be any fantasy games
where character art freely depicts pox scars on men and women and a
distinct lack of makeup for adventurers.
L978[21:24:11] <Scolar_Visari> "You
character caught a case of the bloody flux after spending too much
time in the siege camp. Roll to see if you die!"
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L980[21:25:37] <ConductingCat> Roll
constitution for pooping blood.
L981[21:26:13] <tawny> I think we all just
sorta accept that there's some unspoken magic in all those settings
that makes disease way less terrible so that we don't have to think
about it
L982[21:26:15] <Scolar_Visari> "Good
save! Your character survives, but you must spend the rest of the
campaign fighting without underwear.
L983[21:26:49] <Scolar_Visari> tawny: So
instead of suffering days of agonizing bowel pains, you just keel
over and die in the outhouse?
L984[21:27:02] <tawny> haha
L985[21:27:33] <Scolar_Visari> "What
happened to our mage?" "Mage? Oh, yeah, Vitrivius. He
caught blood flux and just died on the can."
L986[21:28:35] <Scolar_Visari>
"Should've let our party healer bleed em' and balance out
those humors. Always said Vitrivius had too much yellow
bile."
L987[21:36:42] <Scolar_Visari> This sounds
like something that would meld well with a game like Mordheim. How
awesome would it be to have a chance of characters dying without
ever getting them into a fight!?
L988[21:41:48] <JCB> I'm sure there's been
many a character who's gotten drunk at the bar, looking for a
quest, only to get killed for a stupid comment.
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L990[21:46:30] <Scolar_Visari>
"Alright, you roll to hit on the barmaid and . . . receive a
critical failure that results in the owner of the establishment
offering a free night's worth of ale to whoever kills the braggart
trying to pick up his daughter."
L992[22:06:04] <taniwha> things we can be
fairly certain about any advanced aliens we meet:
L993[22:07:02] <taniwha> they're very
likely to be carbon-based (carbon chains are most suitable for
organic chemistry)
L994[22:07:46] <taniwha> (also, the CNO
cycle in stars means carbon, nitrogen and oxygen will be quite
prevalent)
L995[22:08:15] <taniwha> they're likely to
be oxygen "breathers" (for reasons of energy
production)
L996[22:08:44] <taniwha> they most likely
will have appendages that are capable of making and using
tools
L997[22:09:38] <Scolar_Visari> What if
they bought the Synthetic Dawn and/or Utopia DLC and have become
machine overlords?
L998[22:09:44] <taniwha> they will very
likely will have sensory organs that can detect stellar objects
from their native habitat
L999[22:10:10] <taniwha> (to inspire their
creativity)
L1000[22:10:41] <taniwha> Scolar_Visari:
then they won't be alien lifeforms :)
L1001[22:10:54] <taniwha> (instead,
they'll be alien machine overlords)
L1002[22:11:47] <taniwha> though nothing
a tungsten-carbide-tipped spear can't handle ;)
L1003[22:12:15] <Scolar_Visari> Can
tungsten-carbide-tipped spears handle charged particle beams?
L1004[22:13:33] <taniwha> gotta hitcha
first :)
L1005[22:13:41] <Scolar_Visari> Huh, its
over? That was unexpected.
L1006[22:14:14] *
Scolar_Visari uses tachyon lance against machine age primitives . .
. IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!
L1007[22:14:37] <taniwha> on a slightly
more serious note, go check out Horizon Zero Dawn. Fears of
machines exterminating humans will dissipate pretty quickly.
L1008[22:15:07] <taniwha> (machines
devastating human civilization is another matter, though)
L1009[22:15:09] <Scolar_Visari> But I
don't haz playstation.
L1010[22:15:23] <taniwha> surely you have
a friend that does
L1011[22:15:29] *
Scolar_Visari notes one can play strictly benevolent machine
empires in Stellaris well enough.
L1012[22:15:46] <Scolar_Visari> No I
don't. Playstation people don't have friends!
L1013[22:16:55] <taniwha> more like
"[name your console] people don't have friends" people
don't have friends ;)
L1014[22:18:40] <Scolar_Visari> They're
part of a sick cult and must be brought back into the fold of the
one TRUE gaming system: The desktop computer.
L1015[22:18:55] <taniwha> running Linux
;)
L1016[22:19:10] <Scolar_Visari> Those who
will not repent and take up the banner of Windows 10 will be
annihilate in the coming crusade!
L1017[22:19:21] <taniwha> actually, the
One True Gaming System is a PDP-11 running Unix
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L1019[22:20:01] <Scolar_Visari> Tabletop
games being a somewhat lesser form of heresy.
L1020[22:20:59] <taniwha> at least, I
think it was a PDP-11. might have been a lower number
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L1022[22:22:49] <Scolar_Visari> Now that
I think about it, playing a benevolent machine empire in Stellaris
was about the most fun I had after playing a benevolent order of
psionic alien monks
L1024[22:24:02] <taniwha> ah, PDP-7
L1025[22:26:24] <Scolar_Visari>
"Please, do not shoot at the Servi-bot Caretakers! We only
wish to move you to a safe, secure location away from the inpending
extra-dimensional invaders where you organics will know happiness
and love as you have never known them before!"
L1026[22:27:17] <Scolar_Visari> "For
your safety, all political rights will also be relinquished. We
apologize for any inconveniences during the transition
period!"
L1027[22:39:46] <Scolar_Visari> Oh boy,
Maximum Ride's on Netflix.
L1028[22:39:57] *
Scolar_Visari ponders if there's a button that makes certain movies
permanently un-watchable.
L1029[22:45:48] *
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chance of causing a terminal illness.
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