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L4[00:06:22] <JCB> rwar.... so quiet
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L10[00:19:02] <JCB> Huh.. flying bears
L11[00:19:13] <JCB> they becoming active again?
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L40[04:14:03] <HotSpicySausage> Anyone use Kerbalism?
L41[04:14:27] <HotSpicySausage> I'm getting really annoyed with it killing my warps during my Duna mission.
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L68[07:33:07] <Althego> haha, he just had to copy scott https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB-5hUSFVkg
L69[07:33:07] <kmath> YouTube - Huge Announcement!
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L85[08:29:41] <lordcirth> HotSpicySausage, I do, you can turn off certain notifications for craft
L86[08:30:02] <HotSpicySausage> lordcirth, but you cannot edit the notifications if you don't have connection with the craft....
L87[08:30:08] <HotSpicySausage> which i find really dumb
L88[08:30:46] <lordcirth> HotSpicySausage, oh right. Yeah it's a blanket thing that stops you from cheating. There should probably be an exception for that
L89[08:31:03] <HotSpicySausage> i have like 50 probes all giving my warnings
L90[08:31:08] <HotSpicySausage> it is really dang annoying
L91[08:31:12] <lordcirth> HotSpicySausage, do you have a craft that you never have contact or pilot with but you still need?
L92[08:31:21] <HotSpicySausage> so i can't do a duna mission without getting my warp killed every 5 seconds
L93[08:31:44] <HotSpicySausage> what do you mean lordcirth ?
L94[08:31:59] <lordcirth> HotSpicySausage, these 50 probes, if you've lost contact, why do you still need them?
L95[08:32:26] <HotSpicySausage> they get contact, just that my relay network blows
L96[08:32:35] <HotSpicySausage> and i also like to see all the vessels i have in space
L97[08:32:43] <HotSpicySausage> to see my history/progress
L98[08:32:55] <lordcirth> So they occasionally get contact? I guess wait and turn them off
L99[08:33:04] <HotSpicySausage> yes but that's just silly
L100[08:33:07] <lordcirth> You can also disable all notifications but that's a bad idea
L101[08:33:12] <HotSpicySausage> how?
L102[08:33:32] <HotSpicySausage> i really think you should be able to edit notifications without needing to have connection..
L103[08:34:15] <lordcirth> HotSpicySausage, pause/break
L104[08:34:34] <lordcirth> HotSpicySausage, yes you should. You can make a github issue, but he's absent atm.
L105[08:34:40] <HotSpicySausage> i noticed
L106[08:36:29] <FltAdmVonSpiz> also does anyone remember the time before struts?
L107[08:36:31] <FltAdmVonSpiz> the good old days
L108[08:39:04] <ve2dmn> FltAdmVonSpiz: The dark ages
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L110[08:44:19] <HotSpicySausage> lel
L111[08:44:41] <HotSpicySausage> how do you compile mods anyhow? I might fork kerbalism
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L113[08:48:11] <ve2dmn> HotSpicySausage: install Monodevelop or some other C# developpement suite.
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L122[08:59:05] <darsie> Why doesn't my fuel cells produce EC? I have LF+OX, online. FC is started.
L123[08:59:55] <Althego> can it get the fuel?
L124[09:00:06] <Althego> is the battery full?
L125[09:01:07] <darsie> http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/screenshot3.png
L126[09:01:11] <darsie> yes, no.
L127[09:01:16] <darsie> IMO
L128[09:01:39] <darsie> I have no extra battery. Using the FC internal battery.
L129[09:01:48] <Althego> there is something between the fuel cell and the tank
L130[09:01:51] <Althego> what is it
L131[09:02:04] <darsie> okto2
L132[09:02:55] <Althego> i think fuel passes through that, but i never tried
L133[09:03:11] <darsie> The nerv sure got fuel from it.
L134[09:05:24] <darsie> Shall I try putting the okto out of the way?
L135[09:07:46] <darsie> Or an external battery?
L136[09:10:08] <Althego> probably wouldnt change anything
L137[09:10:08] <Mat2ch> well, you could try to launch a new vehicle without the octo part and see if it works
L138[09:10:11] <darsie> Works in a test build with tank-okto-FC
L139[09:10:24] <Mat2ch> then something odd is going on
L140[09:10:35] <Althego> i think the fuel cell never completely fills in the battery. i dont know why
L141[09:10:41] <ve2dmn> Did you try turning it off and on again?
L142[09:10:45] <darsie> yes
L143[09:11:16] <darsie> I could reload ksp
L144[09:11:18] <darsie> restart
L145[09:11:29] <ve2dmn> What is using power, btw?
L146[09:11:39] <darsie> the octo rn
L147[09:12:36] * darsie restarts ksp.
L148[09:15:01] <darsie> still no worky worky :(
L149[09:15:32] <darsie> ok, I'll try to mod my ship ...
L150[09:15:38] <darsie> and ground test it.
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L152[09:17:10] <RandomJeb> the fuel cell doesn't operate when you have over 95% of your maximum EC
L153[09:17:20] <darsie> ahh
L154[09:17:25] <darsie> thx
L155[09:17:42] <Althego> that is what i said
L156[09:17:57] <darsie> Hence "output cap 95%"
L157[09:18:13] <RandomJeb> yes
L158[09:18:23] <darsie> 3
L159[09:18:26] <darsie> oops
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L161[09:23:37] <darsie> Yep, stable now at 575 EC and fuel dropping.
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L164[09:26:24] <APlayer> Hi there!
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L166[09:32:32] <darsie> hi
L167[09:32:34] <Mod9000> Hello, darsie
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L169[09:33:31] <darsie> 0.0 km separation for my asteroid rendezvous across 2/3 solar orbits :).
L170[09:33:35] <NomalRaptor> friendly bot
L171[09:33:45] <darsie> k :)
L172[09:34:02] <APlayer> Humm, so I am taking a break from my usual KSP project and took at missiles. Long story short, I am trying to make an anti-aircraft missile and I need to switch from a flying aircraft to a landed missile launcher. Is this possible, with mods if necessary?
L173[09:34:43] <Althego> only with mods if it is out of physics range
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L176[09:35:13] <Althego> the flying one will disappear when outside range
L177[09:35:49] <APlayer> All within a > 10 km range
L178[09:36:13] <APlayer> I am getting a message "Cannot switch craft while in atmosphere"
L179[09:36:31] <Althego> youcan switch when you are very close
L180[09:36:42] <APlayer> About 2 or 3 km I guess?
L181[09:36:52] <Althego> i tihnk stage recovery or something like that supported this
L182[09:37:03] <Althego> but it did that by saving the game in a hidden way
L183[09:37:05] <APlayer> I have both Stage Recovery and FMRS too
L184[09:37:09] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/c41a2ad823612ccc9e260e747e831b21/tumblr_oy7jkufU0S1wqz4dlo1_500.jpg
L185[09:37:43] <APlayer> OK, the missile launcher is 1.8 km away while the craft is on the runway, the craft launches roughly in the direction of the launcher
L186[09:37:51] <ve2dmn> darsie: 0.0km seperation, but at what speed difference?
L187[09:38:05] <ve2dmn> because if it's >0, I call that a collision
L188[09:38:21] <APlayer> I currently work around by starting the script with a 30 sec delay, switching to the craft and hoping it works, but cannot watch the missile live that way
L189[09:43:50] <darsie> ve2dmn: 150 m/s or so.
L190[09:44:01] <darsie> That was the predicted separation.
L191[09:44:08] <ve2dmn> not too bad
L192[09:44:32] <darsie> But I ran out of fuel when matching the asteroids speed with 41 m/s left ...
L193[09:44:44] <darsie> Gotta bring some ore ...
L194[09:44:56] <ve2dmn> or more fuel
L195[09:45:04] <darsie> Not getting a bigger tank.
L196[09:45:14] <darsie> Ore tank is empty.
L197[09:45:47] <ve2dmn> but ore convetion demands energy. I hope you have good solar panels
L198[09:46:20] <ve2dmn> also makes lots of heat
L199[09:46:20] <darsie> fuel cell
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L201[09:46:46] <darsie> Mission is to eject a class C asteroid out of the kerbol system.
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L203[09:46:59] <ve2dmn> is the fuel cell more efficient then the ore converted?
L204[09:47:10] <ve2dmn> what a strange mission
L205[09:47:26] <darsie> FC uses only a small fraction of the converted fuel.
L206[09:48:00] <ve2dmn> I would not know, I never used FC
L207[09:48:42] <ve2dmn> I either use solar panels or RTG, because my obession is getting the maximum amount of dV
L208[09:49:04] <darsie> I'm preparing for low insolation, but I might get the escape trajectory while still close to Kerbol.
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L210[09:49:31] <ve2dmn> good luck with the excess heat
L211[09:49:38] <darsie> Dunno if the ship will make it back.
L212[09:49:44] <darsie> I have a radiator.
L213[09:49:52] <ve2dmn> only 1 ?
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L215[09:49:59] <darsie> two. small ssytem.
L216[09:50:15] <ve2dmn> depending on how close you are to Kerbol, it might be an issue
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L218[09:50:40] <darsie> I'm leaving kerbol.
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L220[09:51:47] <ve2dmn> you can't leave Kerbol
L221[09:52:05] <ve2dmn> There is no outside. The galaxy is a lie!
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L224[09:53:35] <APlayer> Well, the surface-to-air missile plan does not work because of practical limitations. Let's attempt air-to-ground missiles then. :P
L225[09:54:42] <ve2dmn> KSP is not desinged for this kind of thing. Try Inter-continental instead
L226[09:54:52] <APlayer> I've always had a small problem with them, that the radial decoupler stayed on the missile. Is there a way to change this behaaviour except making the missile the root part? (I am thinking about adding multiple missiles)
L227[09:55:16] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Nothing to shoot down on other continents... Plus, I want some flying action
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L229[09:56:47] <APlayer> Is a radial decoupler + cubic octo strut and making that a subassembly an option?
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L232[10:08:16] <ve2dmn> .t
L233[10:08:26] <ve2dmn> ;t
L234[10:09:01] <ve2dmn> Ho NO! Everyone know my password!
L235[10:10:29] <Fluburtur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIiDQ7buWLs
L236[10:10:29] <kmath> YouTube - Channel Update & Music Machine Mondays Finale Week
L237[10:11:07] <Althego> lol the e fell off
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L239[10:13:48] <Althego> tim burtonish fingers
L240[10:14:00] <Althego> and lol sandstorm
L241[10:14:44] <APlayer> ve2dmn: I hope this was not serious?
L242[10:15:00] <Althego> lol
L243[10:15:07] <ve2dmn> no. '.t' ask a bot for the current time in another channel
L244[10:15:15] <Althego> looked like that. maybe time
L245[10:15:31] <ve2dmn> ;version
L246[10:16:07] <ve2dmn> I always get the different bots confused
L247[10:18:35] <Althego> wow the marbles
L248[10:20:02] <APlayer> Which of the stock planes is the most suited to carry missiles?
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L266[10:44:45] <RandomJeb> my most successful stock missiles were tubes of oscar b with a nosecone and a spark, decoupler attached to the spark, no radial worries
L267[10:45:13] <RandomJeb> that was in the old souposphere though
L268[10:45:16] <APlayer> I am going a more modded approach
L269[10:45:28] <RandomJeb> with that little nosecone having a super high impact tolerance
L270[10:47:28] <RandomJeb> how modded? Are you using bdarmory for the warhead and guidance?
L271[10:48:34] <APlayer> Extremely modded. I don't use BDA (where's the fun if everything is automatic?), I use kOS for guidance, tweakscale for size and tons over tons of part mods
L272[10:49:29] <RandomJeb> nice
L273[10:50:12] <APlayer> You may be the first one to say "Nice" to my install. :D
L274[10:51:12] <APlayer> Also, I did "working" missiles a whole while back. They were unguided and rather bad, though
L275[10:52:41] <RandomJeb> if you have a free radial attachment node you could stick that to a docking port and decouple the docking port for a radial decoupler free missile
L276[10:56:40] <APlayer> https://imgur.com/a/iaFv7 the first attempt kept the decouplers on the missiles
L277[10:59:10] <APlayer> Also, no warheads. Relies entirely on kinetic energy
L278[10:59:28] <APlayer> (Current test design also does this, for I do not use BDA)
L279[11:00:40] <APlayer> And here is the new decoupler design: https://i.imgur.com/r45j98g.png
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L283[11:05:07] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIiDQ7buWLs
L284[11:05:07] <kmath> YouTube - Channel Update & Music Machine Mondays Finale Week
L285[11:05:22] <Althego> old
L286[11:05:23] <Fluburtur> yes I saw that
L287[11:05:50] <Mat2ch> It's 50 minutes old!
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L291[11:19:39] <ve2dmn> 50 minutes is 3 decades in internet time
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L294[11:23:07] <APlayer> So... You launch a missile from your high altitude aircraft at 25 km altitude and switch to the missile. About two minutes later you switch back and realize you're only 2 km above the ground ad travelling at 400 m/s at an angle of 40 or so deg downwards
L295[11:23:50] <APlayer> I though this was bye-bye Jeb (In anticipation of such a scenario I made a quicksave, so no problem), but managed to pull out like 200 m above the ground
L296[11:24:17] <APlayer> Anyway, I'm off for dinner. Cya!
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L298[11:25:23] <wookiez> hey
L299[11:25:32] <wookiez> how can i rotate just 1 part without the others rotating as well?
L300[11:28:23] <Mat2ch> when the part is in the middle of a stack: Rotate the part (and everything on it), click on the next part and press Space
L301[11:29:13] <wookiez> nah i mean ive got 3 engines
L302[11:29:23] <wookiez> i wanna rotate just 1 but the other 2 rotate in the oposite direction of it
L303[11:31:39] <Mat2ch> how did you place the 3 engines?
L304[11:31:52] <NomalRaptor> Probably would have to place them separately / without symmetry active.
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L306[11:32:27] <wookiez> https://gyazo.com/87c2dc4ada8b765a9ebc51a7ca75c3f4
L307[11:32:34] <wookiez> oh really
L308[11:32:40] <wookiez> im gonna try that
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L311[11:35:23] <wookiez> yes that was it - thanks raptor!
L312[11:35:48] <NomalRaptor> \o/
L313[11:39:55] <darsie> Why doesn't the fairing close onto the large ore tank?
L314[11:40:26] <darsie> It closes onto a large reaction wheel.
L315[11:42:34] <darsie> ahh, after restarting ksp it works.
L316[11:44:10] <Althego> it always bothered me that the relative sizes in the game are not correct
L317[11:44:20] <Althego> you cant use the shuttle solid booster and the orange tank
L318[11:45:20] <NomalRaptor> There isn't a stock shuttle booster, really.
L319[11:45:46] <NomalRaptor> The Kickback's thrust is an order of magnitude too low vs the other engines.
L320[11:45:49] <Althego> but the long solid booster and the orange tank are obviously copies of the shuttle parts
L321[11:45:58] <Althego> visually
L322[11:46:06] <Mat2ch> Just take two on each side...
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L324[11:46:20] <Althego> and they are too small
L325[11:46:24] <Althego> they dont have enough thrust
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L327[11:46:35] <Althego> same for the orange tank, too small
L328[11:46:57] <Mat2ch> also the aerodynamics are broken :P
L329[11:46:59] <Althego> also we need bigger from everything in stock. wings, tanks, engines
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L331[11:47:14] <Mat2ch> As if we'd get :D
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L333[11:47:36] <Mat2ch> Take Two is probably working on KSP 2: Revenge of the Kraken. Where you play as the Kraken.
L334[11:47:45] <Althego> because even the biggest engine and tank is often not enough, and part counts skyrocket when you cluster those
L335[11:49:04] <NomalRaptor> They're not even UA1205/1206/1207 sized, really.
L336[11:51:14] <NomalRaptor> Call them weird long duration GEM-40/46/60 motors?
L337[11:53:45] <oren> Take Two is probably working on a mobile phone game where you catapult different colored minikrakens at a rocket with green kerbals inside it
L338[11:54:39] <oren> and then you have to wait a minute to get another set of minikrakens
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L341[12:03:00] <ve2dmn> oren: "get extra kerbals for only 12.99!"
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L344[12:05:08] <ve2dmn> I know people are gonna hate me, but I've tried No Man's Sky yesterday and I enjoyed my time with the game
L345[12:05:53] <NomalRaptor> AIUI, it takes a few hours to run out of fun?
L346[12:07:23] <ve2dmn> Well, I liked to explore new lands in Minecraft, so I might play for some time...
L347[12:07:29] <sandbox> It was inevitable.
L348[12:07:39] <ve2dmn> Although, I do have issues with the UI a bit
L349[12:08:59] <ve2dmn> I wish I could have a sort of world map with waypoints I could set
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L351[12:10:02] <ve2dmn> Also, some of the markers disapeer once I get on board my ship and I'm not sure it's intentional (lack of good sensors, for example) or if it's a UI issue
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L353[12:11:48] <ve2dmn> Anyway, I bought a few games for the xmas vacations
L354[12:12:18] <ve2dmn> All my friends are working, so I'm stuck alone with free time. So I'll try a few new games
L355[12:12:46] <ve2dmn> And then go back to KSP, Minecraft and Stellaris like I always do
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L359[12:21:15] <Mathuin> Minecraft is a game I play with the wife and MIL.
L360[12:21:24] <Mathuin> Every time there's an update, we nuke whatever we have and start over.
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L362[12:22:20] <ve2dmn> Mathuin: I wish my immediate family was into gaming, but sadly... I'm the only one
L363[12:22:38] <ve2dmn> well, maybe except my nephew, but he is a bit young
L364[12:23:26] <Althego> hah the alita movie is coming... i guess it will be a mess. also cameron will not be directing it as it was rumoured previously
L365[12:24:13] <legion> it said that in the trailer...
L366[12:25:01] <Althego> and why did they do that to her eyes?
L367[12:25:17] <Althego> cameron is producer
L368[12:26:45] <legion> the eyes were something the original manga (and then anime had) that doesn't translate well to full on 3d. super creepy
L369[12:29:40] <Althego> but that is an art style
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L371[12:29:56] <Althego> why would anybody try to move that to a movie?
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L373[12:38:57] <ve2dmn> There's a 'Battle Angel Alita' movie?
L374[12:39:10] <Althego> will be
L375[12:39:20] <Althego> it has been in development hell for many years
L376[12:39:39] <ve2dmn> ... that could be both awesome or very awful
L377[12:39:44] <Althego> along with ender i think, but that was finally finished years ago
L378[12:40:19] <ve2dmn> Never read Ender's game
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L380[12:40:43] <Althego> good, because then you want to read the other books in the series :)
L381[12:41:00] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8mN_7Apcw
L382[12:41:00] <kmath> YouTube - Alita: Battle Angel | Official Trailer [HD] | 20th Century FOX
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L384[12:45:58] <APlayer> Wohoo, air launched missiles work so far! Now on to create the actual guidance algorithm (for which I have no idea, but I guess I'll figure it out)
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L388[12:52:00] <Althego> i didnt know this http://www.core77.com/posts/71024/New-Brain-Breaking-Optical-Illusion-These-Lines-are-All-the-Same-Shape
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L397[13:48:27] <APlayer> Huh... Guidance seems to be working, with the sole exception of nearly zero control authority
L398[13:48:36] <APlayer> Guess it's a hardware problem
L399[13:49:38] <JCB> ugh.. heart burn.. software.. or hardware issues?
L400[13:50:14] <APlayer> Hardware
L401[13:50:35] <APlayer> Missile tries to steer rather nicely, but fails because... Well, because it fails to steer
L402[13:52:11] <APlayer> Might be too front heavy
L403[13:52:13] <JCB> oh heh.. I meant about the heartburn.. though I guess flesh... maybe more organic ware..
L404[13:52:27] <JCB> erp.. front?
L405[13:52:36] <APlayer> Sorry?
L406[13:52:38] <JCB> no... you want it heavy up front. this shooting in space or air?
L407[13:52:47] <APlayer> In air
L408[13:52:59] <JCB> ya front.. probably not enough control athority..
L409[13:53:04] <JCB> maybe too much weight up frotn
L410[13:53:07] <APlayer> It simply fails to steer, although it seems to get worse as the burn progresses
L411[13:53:16] <JCB> that would be weight shift
L412[13:53:28] <JCB> got a pic of the design?
L413[13:53:37] <APlayer> Either the CoM moves too much (It does move a fair bit), or the aero properties get worse with speed
L414[13:53:54] <JCB> well faster you are.. harder it is to turn
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L419[13:55:30] <APlayer> Mk1 pod for scale: https://imgur.com/vTazj3A
L420[13:55:31] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/vTazj3A.png
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L423[13:57:00] <JCB> mm...
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L425[13:57:08] <JCB> try this
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L427[13:57:35] <JCB> reverse the control fin locations..
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L429[13:57:49] <APlayer> The CoM gets about 2 - 3 times as far to the front over the course of the missile flight
L430[13:57:54] <APlayer> Also, let me see
L431[13:57:56] <JCB> see if you can push the center of pressure back a little more
L432[13:58:07] <APlayer> CoL you mean?
L433[13:58:08] <JCB> ah.. ya means you got quite a bit of weight up front
L434[13:58:16] <JCB> ya.. lift also known as pressure sometimes
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L436[13:58:31] <APlayer> 2 - 3 times the distance between CoM and CoL, that is
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L439[13:58:58] <APlayer> I can push it back by simply moving the front fins backwards?
L440[13:59:09] <JCB> if mass pushes forwards just a little.. you ok. but if its a lot, causes it to be too stable and not too controlable
L441[13:59:47] <APlayer> Let me see what I can do about the front mass
L442[13:59:47] <JCB> its the fin type... think the canards on the back don't have as much authority as the full on fin surfaced ones
L443[14:00:05] <JCB> also.. maybe try putting battery between engine and tank.. put a little weight aft to help balance
L444[14:00:31] <APlayer> It's a solid rocket motor :P
L445[14:00:49] <APlayer> Might at most remove the inline battery and add small radial ones
L446[14:00:55] <JCB> nah
L447[14:01:06] <APlayer> Although the battery only weighs 1 kg
L448[14:01:10] <APlayer> (Tweakscale)
L449[14:01:10] <JCB> ok.. thought was liquid
L450[14:01:28] <JCB> other option is to go remove front fins... put stationary ones half way on mirrored mode
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L452[14:01:56] <APlayer> Wouldn't that move the CoL too much backwards?
L453[14:02:21] <APlayer> Plus remove like half the control authority I have
L454[14:02:35] <JCB> you want it a little aft...
L455[14:02:48] <JCB> don't want it too close to matching CoM...
L456[14:03:19] <APlayer> So, it's the probe core
L457[14:03:33] <APlayer> 10 kg at the front, vs most components of 1 kg and less
L458[14:04:46] <APlayer> I either add something back heavy or somehow reduce on the probe mass (I could tweakscale it even smaller, but already costs a lot) to prevent the CoM from wandering
L459[14:06:33] <APlayer> OK, I guess this works
L460[14:06:36] <APlayer> Let me try
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L462[14:10:09] <JCB> k
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L464[14:12:55] <ve2dmn> APlayer: I read your link as 'Mk1 pod for sale'
L465[14:13:27] <APlayer> Well, good luck at the auction. Starting price is $ 500 K
L466[14:14:08] <ve2dmn> I'll give you 15cent for it.
L467[14:14:19] <APlayer> Deal
L468[14:16:01] <ve2dmn> And then I could write the shortest KSP story ever: "For sale: Mk1 pod. Never used"
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L470[14:19:56] <APlayer> OK, guidance now much better, still not quite good enough (Looks like it can only deviate by like 5 or 10 degrees per km)
L471[14:20:24] <APlayer> Will try to move the CoL even further
L472[14:20:49] <APlayer> Also, the CoM does not move nearly as much anymore
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L474[14:24:49] <JCB> ok
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L476[14:31:10] <APlayer> OK, looking good so far, but the guidance does not seem to be that good anymore :P
L477[14:31:45] <APlayer> I guess I see the problem
L478[14:33:33] <JCB> I know a bit about missiles.. though its not specialty
L479[14:33:44] <JCB> er.. its not my specialty as it were...
L480[14:34:21] <ve2dmn> JCB: TL;DR: it's a big controlled explosion with a guidance system
L481[14:34:29] <APlayer> Well, is there a name for AGM missile guidance algorithms?
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L483[14:36:08] <GuestBanana> someone's gonna hate me for this, but still: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKAdi0hPtr4
L484[14:36:08] <kmath> YouTube - Zelda: Breath of the Wild - The Champions' Ballad OST - Monk Maz Koshia (Phase 1)
L485[14:36:18] <GuestBanana> amazing music
L486[14:36:31] <APlayer> OK, I may or may not have improved it
L487[14:36:35] <APlayer> Only time will tell
L488[14:36:37] <APlayer> :P
L489[14:38:52] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: did you buy the DLC?
L490[14:41:04] <GuestBanana> I don't have the game, but I rent it a lot
L491[14:41:15] <GuestBanana> I might have spoiled everything about the DLC... just might have :)
L492[14:41:18] <JCB> ve2dmn there is no such thing as a controlled explosion... it just happens
L493[14:41:20] <ve2dmn> Renting is still a thing?
L494[14:41:31] <GuestBanana> more like borrowed from the library
L495[14:41:38] <APlayer> JCB: So, I basically adjust the heading in a P-Loop to try to get the prograde vector aligned with the target, then I adjust the pitch basically the same way, but pointing slightly upwards of that in order to counteract gravity
L496[14:41:40] <ve2dmn> even cooler
L497[14:42:05] <GuestBanana> I wished for it for Christmas, so maybe good ol' Santa will hear my wish
L498[14:42:13] <JCB> ok..
L499[14:42:25] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: i asked for the Mario+Rabbit game
L500[14:42:57] <GuestBanana> Mind you, I requested the Wii U version because I only have a Wii U
L501[14:43:09] <APlayer> Hard coded level 7 on a Mohs scale
L502[14:43:54] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: I played both. It's fine on both platforms
L503[14:43:54] <GuestBanana> why is that tune so good - like the techno part
L504[14:44:38] <GuestBanana> except whenever you pause in Wii U by pressing "home" it takes like 15 seconds for it to resume
L505[14:44:48] <GuestBanana> I haven't seen that happen on Switch, so I wouldn't know
L506[14:46:48] <ve2dmn> GuestBanana: I play in the Métro :D
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L508[14:49:23] <ve2dmn> btw, that is why I was interested in a Console version of KSP: To launch rockets while riding the subway undeground
L509[14:49:41] <GuestBanana> I would probably be way too addicted to Zelda anyway if I could take it anywhere...
L510[14:50:49] <ve2dmn> It's not as cool as seeing it on the big screen
L511[14:52:43] <GuestBanana> yeah
L512[14:53:22] <GuestBanana> I think the closest I'll get for a while is getting to tap the Wii U Gamepad to switch screens
L513[14:53:26] <GuestBanana> then I can go anywhere...
L514[14:53:55] <GuestBanana> ...50 feet from the console
L515[14:54:07] <ve2dmn> The original design for the game used the gamepad for inventory
L516[14:59:31] <APlayer> Here's how a typical trajectory looks like right now: https://i.imgur.com/Xr2mWwn.png Target was on the launch pad, launched from about 5 km away at low altitude, pointing pretty much straight at the launch pad
L517[14:59:38] <GuestBanana> well wouldn't that have been sweet
L518[14:59:47] <APlayer> The response of the guidance is way too sluggish
L519[15:00:40] <JCB> bomb drop might have also worked too
L520[15:00:51] <APlayer> Sorry?
L521[15:01:27] <APlayer> You mean from that position?
L522[15:01:35] <JCB> powered missile flight to target vs glide, ballistic drop
L523[15:01:49] <APlayer> I followed the missile from rather far away, this is like 1 km away
L524[15:02:08] <JCB> plane aimed at launch pad too?
L525[15:02:13] <APlayer> Yeah
L526[15:02:22] <JCB> ok
L527[15:02:31] <APlayer> It's the guidance by now, not the missile itself
L528[15:03:32] <APlayer> And the guidance is not predictive enough, i.e. simply pointing in the direction of the target does not help much when you want to actually hit it
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L531[15:03:54] <JCB> mm... yay for dumb fire missile
L532[15:03:56] <JCB> or DFM
L533[15:03:58] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L534[15:04:23] <APlayer> Looks like I will need some sort of impact position modelling and counteract the impact error in order to hit things
L535[15:04:56] <GuestBanana> Supernovy: Whatever-time-of-day-it-is to you too, Overlord.
L536[15:05:14] <APlayer> Actually, I guess I can just plot a straight line from where I am to where the target is, adjust my course so that it matches the line closely as possible and steer slightly upwards
L537[15:05:26] <APlayer> And hope there is no VAB or things in the way
L538[15:05:40] <APlayer> Does that sound feasible?
L539[15:07:03] <JCB> or just aim for the VAB
L540[15:07:14] <APlayer> Nah, VAB is too sturdy
L541[15:07:20] <JCB> unless its more a project for hitting flat ground targets
L542[15:07:38] <APlayer> Flat ground targets?
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L544[15:08:08] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Today, on a special episode of Kerbal Space Program, Jebediah gets help with his adrenaline addiction.
L545[15:08:30] <Scolar_Visari> This, of course, was never mentioned in previous episodes and will never be mentioned again in the future.
L546[15:09:05] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari: That is, Jeb is grounded? No more flights for now?
L547[15:09:13] <JCB> launch pad.. lays nearly flat to the ground as opposed to buildings
L548[15:09:21] <JCB> poses different challenges..
L549[15:09:30] <Scolar_Visari> Aplayer: They consider grounding him before he gets help from Adrenaline Addicts Ahoy
L550[15:09:41] <JCB> building you can broadside hit... flat targets, sort of have to come down from over top, or you'd just bounce
L551[15:09:57] <Scolar_Visari> Also: So I guess habitable worlds *don't* need indigenous magnetospheres? https://phys.org/news/2017-12-mars-atmosphere-solar.html
L552[15:10:00] <APlayer> JCB: Well, really, I don't care about the effects
L553[15:10:06] <APlayer> Just want to hit the thing
L554[15:10:13] <JCB> feh.. Jeb hogs all the attention anyways. I tend to stuff him in the back, let others a chance
L555[15:10:14] <Scolar_Visari> From the article: "Despite the absence of a global Earth-like magnetic dipole, the Martian atmosphere is well protected from the effects of the solar wind on ion escape from the planet."
L556[15:10:35] <JCB> mm ok
L557[15:11:07] <APlayer> Anyway I need to get a plan to hit it any way, not even talking about specific trajectories
L558[15:11:21] <Scolar_Visari> JCB: I insist on making Jebediah the first on nearly all missions for the purpose of earning ribbons for the Final Frontier mod. I subsequently imagine him wearing so many medals at formal functions that he falls on his chest when attempting to walk.
L559[15:11:45] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: then why has Mars lost it all?
L560[15:12:00] <Scolar_Visari> Or melting down said medals to make a heroic statue of himself with enough ribbon material to make an appropriate cape.
L561[15:12:04] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Aliens sneezed at it
L562[15:12:09] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: That's the thing, it may have not.
L563[15:12:10] <JCB> eh.. send him off into a solar escape launch... not dead, but not recoverable...
L564[15:12:22] * Scolar_Visari notes Mars still sort of has an atmosphere that's a lot better than none at all.
L565[15:12:43] <APlayer> Or a lot worse, depends
L566[15:13:27] <Scolar_Visari> Mars' climate evolution is very poorly understood, and a thicker atmosphere alone cannot account for what geological evidence is suggesting.
L567[15:13:34] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: does this mean, if we manage to make one (out of N2, let's say), it would be stable?
L568[15:14:32] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Well, even before this paper was published, it would've still been stable for tens of thousands of years.
L569[15:14:53] * Scolar_Visari spits at the possibility of Earth giving the Dusters an atmosphere. Dirty Reds should pay for it 'emselves.
L570[15:15:39] <ve2dmn> I'm thinking of sending bacteria to make it. Think I should start a Kickstarter?
L571[15:16:07] <Scolar_Visari> That would run into all sorts of planetary protection issues.
L572[15:16:36] <Scolar_Visari> Though terrestrial bacteria would probably find the Martian surface less than hospitable.
L573[15:17:11] <ve2dmn> Send Tadigrades!
L574[15:17:49] <Scolar_Visari> But they're animals!
L575[15:18:36] <Scolar_Visari> Without other organisms to consume, they would slowly starve to death.
L576[15:18:44] <Scolar_Visari> Unless they convert to Breathenarianism.
L577[15:20:34] <APlayer> Well, of course my guidance might be failing because I used TAN instead of ATAN
L578[15:20:37] <APlayer> :P
L579[15:21:45] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari: They would not starve. They would go on standby and use zero energy, and not starve before the Sun consumes the Earth
L580[15:23:16] <ve2dmn> APlayer: they probably survived the last heat death of the previous universe and repopulated the earth when a new universe was born
L581[15:23:26] <APlayer> And then they would realize the Earth is no longer inhabited, form intelligence and take over the solar system
L582[15:23:41] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: I would think that they would've been annihilated by radiation long before that.
L583[15:23:55] <APlayer> Nope, they are immortal
L584[15:23:59] <ve2dmn> ^
L585[15:24:00] <Scolar_Visari> Also the reactive bits of Martian regolith.
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L587[15:24:31] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: all these things might kill some of them, but some always survives
L588[15:25:58] <Scolar_Visari> Starving to death is pretty guaranteed. Should've brought coral I guess?
L589[15:26:11] <ve2dmn> Vaccum of space? meh. Marrianna Trench like pressures? "seen worse". near 0k temperature? "I'll just hibernate here, then"
L590[15:27:43] <APlayer> Meanwhile, tardigrades whispering to each other: "I wonder when they will realize we actually came to colonize this planet!"
L591[15:29:25] <ve2dmn> APlayer: They have been here for millions of years...
L592[15:30:16] <APlayer> I'm being silly, in case it's not obvious ;-)
L593[15:31:17] * Scolar_Visari glares at the tardigrade-philes. "You invertabrate lovers can stuff it!"
L594[15:31:35] <Scolar_Visari> Give me synapsids or give me death!
L595[15:32:11] <GuestBanana> ok pew pew
L596[15:32:38] <APlayer> Sounds like a mass shooting is imminent
L597[15:32:44] * SnoopJeDi coughs
L598[15:32:51] <SnoopJeDi> bad day for that sort of joke
L599[15:32:59] <Scolar_Visari> Too soon.
L600[15:33:08] <tawny> they're all bad days for that sort of joke :/
L601[15:33:09] <SnoopJeDi> (as are most days)
L602[15:33:10] <Scolar_Visari> From an op, too, FOR SHAME
L603[15:33:12] <APlayer> Sorry? Did I say something insensible?
L604[15:33:40] <ve2dmn> APlayer: check the news
L605[15:33:44] <SnoopJeDi> it's just a third rail subject, particularly for any US chatters. sorry for the call-out
L606[15:34:06] <SnoopJeDi> but yea, today there was an attempted act of terrorism in NYC so it's kind of close at mind
L607[15:34:21] <APlayer> Woah, I'm sorry, guys
L608[15:34:37] <tawny> we've had an average of almost one a day this year
L609[15:34:46] <APlayer> Didn't know the US news, and didn't realize it hurts
L610[15:36:21] <Scolar_Visari> Alright, on to something less rule-breaking . . . On second thought, "President to sign space policy directive Monday" is probably more tasteless.
L611[15:37:18] <Scolar_Visari> Okay, here's something less political! The wealthiest organism on planet Earth plans renewed rocket tests! http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-preparing-to-resume-test-flights-from-west-texas/
L612[15:37:41] <APlayer> What about tardigrades?
L613[15:37:51] <ve2dmn> APlayer: they stay awesome
L614[15:38:58] <KrazyKrl> Wait... is the consensus around here to hate blue origin, or to like blue origin?
L615[15:39:02] <Scolar_Visari> APlayer: They're exterminated by the Prokyarotic Bacteria Alliance
L616[15:39:21] <APlayer> KrazyKrl: I personally tend to the former. Don't ask me why
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L618[15:39:43] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl: I've . . . Honestly never heard someone 'hate' Blue Origin, albeit largely because it's seldom in the news per Bezo's preference to work in the shadows ala Lex Luthor.
L619[15:40:09] <KrazyKrl> APlayer: Same here... probably because they super hyped a suborbital flight on the coattails of SpaceX.
L620[15:40:23] * Scolar_Visari notes the engine and capsule abort tests were carried out without fanfare.
L621[15:40:40] <ve2dmn> I just want to see more rockets
L622[15:40:56] <Scolar_Visari> KrazyKrl: Sure you're confusing them with Virgin Galactic?
L623[15:40:57] <APlayer> Okay, apologies once more for crossing the borderline there, I'll try to avoid it in the future. I'm off for today, be back tomorrow and will bring better jokes that time!
L624[15:41:14] <APlayer> See you!
L625[15:41:15] <Scolar_Visari> Who is opping the ops?
L626[15:41:32] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: superops
L627[15:41:59] <Scolar_Visari> What superops? We have a NormalRaptor, we need a UberRaptor.
L628[15:41:59] <APlayer> Scolar_Visari: The opers themselves. Maily Deddly in my case, if I got it correctly
L629[15:42:14] <KrazyKrl> We have infrared cops here too.
L630[15:42:16] <APlayer> Anyway, off for real now. Bye!
L631[15:42:19] <GuestBanana> bye
L632[15:42:52] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: I know that DuoDex seems to be everywhere I go
L633[15:43:08] * Scolar_Visari ponders upgrading NormalRaptor into a HyperRaptor running off the main sequence and into oblivion.
L634[15:43:26] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Of course. DuoDex is actually a Vorlon. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN HERE.
L635[15:43:58] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: not just that, but a mod on a few subreddits...
L636[15:44:17] <Scolar_Visari> We can only hope they're the good ones.
L637[15:44:26] <Althego> upgrade to fuzzyraptor
L638[15:45:00] <Althego> because of the feathers in amber
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L640[15:45:24] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: I think raptor feathers would be less fuzzy upon appearance and more like modern birds' flight feathers.
L641[15:45:43] <Scolar_Visari> Prior to amber, we had plenty of impressions on similar animals plus quill nobs on raptors.
L642[15:45:47] <Althego> the article said it was from a dinosaur related to raptors
L643[15:46:03] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: the visual is really cool
L644[15:46:30] <Althego> ok that is just the tail, other parts may have more modern feathers
L645[15:46:32] * Scolar_Visari goes all Thomas Huxley https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*HmwxJekyj8ioyYSzX8kgcg.jpeg
L646[15:47:16] <ve2dmn> see? A picture is worth more cool stuff
L647[15:47:24] <Althego> at least we can easily say to creationists that yes dinosaurs lived together with humans, just as they live now
L648[15:47:36] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: It belonged to coelurosaurs
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L650[15:47:53] <ve2dmn> Althego: who were the humans back then?
L651[15:48:08] <Scolar_Visari> Which is, pretty vague.
L652[15:48:15] <Althego> no, the birds
L653[15:48:17] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Turok, I guess?
L654[15:48:27] <Althego> they are still here
L655[15:48:48] <ve2dmn> So my great-great-great-greath^N-grand-father looked that bad?
L656[15:49:19] <Althego> just as we are still apes, or vertebrates, etc, those categories never disappear
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L658[15:49:55] <Scolar_Visari> Also, for reference https://goo.gl/ft6Pjc
L659[15:50:11] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: I, for one, am proud of my prokaryotic ancestory!
L660[15:50:13] <SnoopJeDi> mmm Turok
L661[15:50:14] <Althego> i think they would be popular pets
L662[15:50:21] <Scolar_Visari> Nucleus -schmucleus.
L663[15:50:22] <Althego> like dogs or something
L664[15:50:27] <SnoopJeDi> Turok is a pretty good speedrun
L665[15:50:50] <ve2dmn> Althego: they are
L666[15:50:53] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Until they eat some one elses pets.
L667[15:51:27] <ve2dmn> modern dinosaurs are good pets, for the most part
L668[15:51:30] <Althego> they are no b igger than dogs
L669[15:51:48] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: That doesn't stop them from eating them ala larger birds of prey!
L670[15:51:50] <ve2dmn> Although, it's hard to explain to someone that the emperor penguin is related to T-Rex
L671[15:52:06] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: They're related in the same way you're related to a distant cousin.
L672[15:52:07] <Althego> just look at bird feet
L673[15:52:38] <Scolar_Visari> You have a common ancestor in Charlemange, I suppose.
L674[15:53:01] <ve2dmn> Charles mange?
L675[15:53:17] <Scolar_Visari> Charles Magnus!
L676[15:53:34] <Scolar_Visari> Hrm . . . Well, I suppose I can give them credit for getting the head right https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/59/8059-004-EEFFC355.jpg
L677[15:54:14] <Rolf> btw those dinsours is likely to have had feathers
L678[15:54:30] <ve2dmn> Rolf: that was the original conversation
L679[15:54:37] <Rolf> lol ok
L680[15:54:39] <ve2dmn> with the story about amber and stuff
L681[15:54:40] <Althego> we know they had feathers
L682[15:54:57] <ve2dmn> someone has the link to the image?
L683[15:55:08] <Althego> https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/12/feathered-dinosaur-tail-amber-theropod-myanmar-burma-cretaceous/
L684[15:55:08] * Scolar_Visari looks at the awful Deinonychus that had the horribly inaccurate skull on the Wikipedia page https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/FMNH_Deinonychus.JPG
L685[15:55:16] <Rolf> I find it funny that we still have dinsours now
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L687[15:55:20] <Rolf> we just call em birds
L688[15:55:35] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf: We are all out of non-avian dinosaurs, however.
L689[15:55:41] <Rolf> yeah
L690[15:55:44] * Scolar_Visari laments the loss of Earth's largest land animals.
L691[15:55:57] <ve2dmn> https://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/2016/12/08/dinosaur_tail/06_dinosaur_tail.jpg
L692[15:56:00] <Scolar_Visari> The tonnage of an Atlas assault 'Mech, the gentleness of Little Foot's mother.
L693[15:56:11] <Rolf> I doubt today's earth could support em now
L694[15:56:17] <Rolf> not enough oxygen in air
L695[15:56:21] <Althego> the largest animals probably didnt have too many feathers
L696[15:56:31] <Althego> just as the large ones now dont have much fur
L697[15:56:54] <ve2dmn> Scolar_Visari: So you are saying the big dinos were the original tanks?
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L699[15:57:16] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf: There's a new-ish paper that casts doubt on mesozoic oxygen levels
L700[15:58:27] <Scolar_Visari> Tappert et al.s "Stable carbon isotopes of C3 plant resins and ambers record changes in atmospheric oxygen since the Triassic" from Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta 2013 https://www.eas.ualberta.ca/wolfe/eprints/Tappert_GCA_2013.pdf
L701[15:58:40] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: I'm saying they're the original BattleMechs.
L702[15:58:57] <ve2dmn> only missing lasers
L703[15:59:36] <Althego> walking mechs in real life sound a bit silly, or sci-fi. but i sure hope there will be real ones. there are some projects in that direction
L704[15:59:56] <Scolar_Visari> ve2dmn: Who needs lasers when you have AC-20s?
L705[16:00:06] <Rolf> much much dakka
L706[16:00:37] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: While they are silly, I do detest the insistance that making walking machines are an engineering impossibility given that there have been 100+ walking animals in real life that did not benefit from 32nd Century materials!
L707[16:00:44] <Rolf> much dakka https://funnypictures3.fjcdn.com/pictures/Never+too+much+dakka_9dafe9_5843640.jpg
L708[16:00:51] <Scolar_Visari> Now all we need are low temperature molecular hydrogen fusion reactors.
L709[16:01:08] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf: Flash Gitz is nev' hav too much dakka!
L710[16:01:22] <Althego> no, where are the catgirls?
L711[16:01:31] <Scolar_Visari> Jus' bust out som' of dim' grotz teff n' buy some snazz gunz!
L712[16:02:08] <Scolar_Visari> Heck, modern tanks are heavier than most medium 'Mechs, and they go wicked fast.
L713[16:02:30] <Rolf> legs is very diffult to do
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L715[16:02:46] <Fluburtur> im going to a hobby shop to get a job tomorrow again
L716[16:02:54] <Fluburtur> so any more advice?
L717[16:03:06] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf: Amusingly, none of the legs I've seen in BattleMech art seem to follow the lore.
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L719[16:03:07] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: be yourself?
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L721[16:03:17] <Fluburtur> I guess
L722[16:03:24] <tawny> what's the lore about battlemech leg
L723[16:03:25] <tawny> s
L724[16:03:42] <Scolar_Visari> They're supposed to be endoskeletal legs with myomer (read: Artificial muscle) motors in lieu of conventional motors.
L725[16:04:07] <tawny> ah
L726[16:04:21] <Scolar_Visari> The use of an endoskeleton allows for a larger maximum weight.
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L728[16:04:53] <Scolar_Visari> Armor being mounted on the outside, rather than serving as a load bearing structure.
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L730[16:07:08] <Scolar_Visari> I'd appreciate a turn to more plausible looking design, if only for a different look rather than a continuation of art that's been used since the 80's
L731[16:07:31] <Scolar_Visari> Also: MechWarrior 5 is totes a thing now, with Mercenaries even.
L732[16:08:58] <Scolar_Visari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztqhTjLVfgs
L733[16:08:58] <kmath> YouTube - MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries Teaser (Mech_Con 2017)
L734[16:09:13] <Scolar_Visari> But, Grey Death Legion?
L735[16:10:55] * Scolar_Visari silently hoped for a Dark Age storyline set on the Periphery. Enough Great House shenanigans!
L736[16:11:17] <Scolar_Visari> Davion-this and Steiner-that, what about those worlds outside the light of Blake!?
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L738[16:13:00] <Scolar_Visari> Excluding those Clan savages, of course. They can take their overheating ER nonsense where the light doesn't escape for all I care.
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L741[16:16:54] * Scolar_Visari goes off to join the one true heir to the Star League: The Free Worlds League, albeit only because their use of the color purple makes it possible to use Purple Rain as a pro-wrestling-esque intro to Solaris VIII battles.
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L744[16:24:28] <KrazyKrl> Star League: Free Worlds Initiative: The Last Musician: Explosions in the Blood Dome: Revengance
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L756[18:42:41] <Fluburtur> would like to try all of that
L757[18:42:43] <Fluburtur> http://www.crashtesthobby.com/all-about-combat.html
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L762[19:44:38] <FltAdmVonSpiz> launching from the surface of gilly takes hours
L763[19:44:41] <FltAdmVonSpiz> :(
L764[19:45:42] <FltAdmVonSpiz> with a jet pack
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L779[20:58:51] * darsie completed the tech tree in stock again.
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L783[21:11:39] <JCB> I'm debating on a mun or minmus mission early-mid stock career... again..
L784[21:11:49] <JCB> thinking something of crewed but robotic lander
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L788[21:20:38] <Mathuin> kOS to the rescue?
L789[21:26:07] <JCB> nah...
L790[21:26:27] <JCB> just sci mission, using small lander rather than crewed lander. But crewed lunar orbitor
L791[21:27:27] <Mathuin> Ah, okay.
L792[21:28:19] <JCB> more just messing with an idea..
L793[21:28:49] <JCB> I did a dual relay delivery ship for minmus a while back.. using an idea similar but with a robotic lander
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L795[21:33:10] <Mathuin> I have a rocket for Duna which has two relay sats and a scanning sat.
L796[21:34:27] <Mathuin> Hrm. Is there a way from stock IVA to trigger an action group?
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L816[22:31:01] <Mathuin> <rant>The dotted line for post-maneuver orbits needs a swirly animation like the solid ones, so I don't accidentally orbit in the wrong direction like an idiot.
L817[22:31:04] <Mathuin> </rant>
L818[22:32:11] <UmbralRaptor> That's a fair complaint.
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L823[22:54:37] <Mathuin> The satellite needs to move in the swirly direction, right?
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L828[23:25:27] <Mathuin> Yesss. Ugh hate those.
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