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L8[00:08:13] <Blaank> Ok, assume it's earth we are talking about. You see the aurora borialis at 20 degrees latitude. That's really bad, right?
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L12[00:09:51] <Blaank> From what I know about it, solar wind pushes the magnetic field and it snaps back to a more stable position and that releases an electrical discharge that travels down the field lines and hits the atmosphere? So if you are seeing that near the equator, the earth's magnetic field has gone down the toilet.
L13[00:10:40] <bees> was there a aurora at 20 degrees latitude?
L14[00:11:36] <Blaank> No.
L15[00:11:39] <Blaank> Just wondering.
L16[00:11:47] <bees> actually, yes
L17[00:11:55] <bees> two of them it seems
L18[00:11:57] <Blaank> Well not one just now that I know of.
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L22[00:12:58] <bees> carrington event and some other storm
L23[00:14:55] <bees> Auroras were seen around the world, those in the northern hemisphere as far south as the Caribbean;
L24[00:15:02] <bees> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event
L25[00:15:32] <bees> looks like exactly what are you wondering about
L26[00:16:30] <Blaank> That takes a huge amount of energy and rips the magnetosphere up?
L27[00:16:55] <Blaank> Dang, 1859 we wouldn't have had good data gathering other than human eyes.
L28[00:17:52] <Blaank> Direct hit by a CME. ouch.
L29[00:18:56] <Blaank> Oh, cool, we had some recording stuff back then. I don't know much about astronomy.
L30[00:20:09] <Blaank> >Some telegraph operators could continue to send and receive messages despite having disconnected their power supplies.
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L32[00:25:10] <Blaank> Do we have any sats at Earth-Sol Lagrange 1?
L33[00:26:01] <Blaank> 2
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L36[01:01:31] <UmbralRaptor> Blaank: DISCOVR and ACE
L37[01:03:30] <UmbralRaptor> oh, 2? Not sure at the moment.
L38[01:04:03] <UmbralRaptor> I think Herschel was, but it left.
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L112[04:09:17] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/27092fdcbb12357157e5bf2bc2f7d0a4/tumblr_inline_p0gwgsbjch1tv7l4a_540.png
L113[04:09:25] <Fluburtur> look at this weird bird
L114[04:12:40] <Mat2ch> that one is really strange, yes.
L115[04:15:41] <Fluburtur> there is a job avaiable at the local hardware store
L116[04:15:59] <Fluburtur> im probably overqualified for this but it's pretty close so worth trying
L117[04:16:14] <sandbox> Life, uh, finds a way
L118[04:20:12] <Althego> hehe
L119[04:20:52] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: go for it. Just do it a few month and quit if you don't like it. Also yes, you're overqualified
L120[04:27:00] <Blaank> Are there challenge lists for KSP?
L121[04:27:10] <Blaank> I've gone to Eve and made it back with all 4 kerbals.
L122[04:27:28] <Blaank> Took me about 20 hours of work and 3 scrapped designs.
L123[04:28:15] <Althego> only 20?
L124[04:29:26] <Blaank> It was a terrible design that was SSTO, land on mun, refuel, land on ike, refuel, land on eve, refuel, take off and shed 95% of my mass then land on Kerbin.
L125[04:29:41] <Blaank> I'm very proud of it.
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L127[04:30:17] <Blaank> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/96097735801810438/9B4032D5531A5115C82E4B2DF8A0D0484E1E1F99/ landing legs and chutes not stock but those just reduced part counts.
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L130[04:43:25] <Althego> FOR EVE, I REALLZ TRZ TO MINIMIYE CAPSULE MASS
L131[04:43:26] <Althego> heh
L132[04:43:45] <Althego> the mk1-2 is the heaviest of all per person
L133[04:43:50] <Althego> so annythin but that
L134[04:44:00] <Althego> i once did it just for the chellenge of it
L135[04:45:19] <Blaank> I had other stuff suggested like Mk 2 lander cans. I was going with lithobrake 4 man pod but it's even worse person:mass than anything stock.
L136[04:45:41] <Blaank> I did it for looks mainly
L137[04:46:55] <Althego> 4 kerbals are hard because there is no 4 person capsule
L138[04:47:04] <Althego> and you cant really combine the ones to be minimal mass
L139[04:47:16] <Althego> *the ones existing
L140[04:47:22] <Blaank> Lithobrake Technologies has a 4 person pod that is even worse mass than 4 Mk1 pods
L141[04:47:50] <Blaank> They also have mammoth sized landing legs.
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L143[06:20:09] <Fluburtur> https://youtu.be/1ZqFDsq09H8
L144[06:20:09] <kmath> YouTube - Compressed Air Powered Plane
L145[06:23:37] <Althego> soesnt og very fara
L146[06:26:56] <Fluburtur> man im sleepy
L147[06:27:01] <Fluburtur> might take a nap
L148[06:27:03] <Gasher[work]> hm, how would it work with a carbon tank for airguns?
L149[06:27:23] <Fluburtur> good ol COPV
L150[06:28:08] <Mat2ch> 20 seconds flight time :D
L151[06:28:12] <Althego> now that you say it, yes i am
L152[06:28:29] <Althego> run it on liquid nitrogen
L153[06:28:38] <Mat2ch> yeah, there were people trying to run cars with compressed air
L154[06:28:45] <Fluburtur> and then the tiny 3 grams free flight gliders can fly over a minute
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L156[06:30:33] <Fluburtur> at least this motor makes a nice sound
L157[06:31:58] <Mat2ch> is this some kind of air powered piston engine? Why not use a turbine?
L158[06:32:10] <Fluburtur> he made a video about the motor itself
L159[06:32:32] <Fluburtur> I think a turbine will use the air too quickly, this looks like it should work better
L160[06:32:39] <Fluburtur> now to make a v12 engine
L161[06:34:28] <Fluburtur> can't he use rela units like bars
L162[06:34:42] <Fluburtur> apparently he goes up to 60psi which is 4.1 bar
L163[06:35:01] <Fluburtur> I know I loaded water bottles with up to 6 bars before and they didn't fail
L164[06:35:16] <Fluburtur> so they can probably resist even higher presure
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L188[09:23:20] <ve2dmn> https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7iag0l/leaked_photographs_from_the_ksc_show_the_true/
L189[09:24:43] <ve2dmn> Best comment in that thread: " I don't believe in flat earthers, I think they're a lizard government conspiracy to make us humans look bad."
L190[09:25:08] <Truga> heh
L191[09:25:29] <sandbox> pesky humans
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L223[12:01:39] <Mathuin> There is a popular mod that has a black button with a play/eject symbol next to it. The black button has a grid of colorful squares on it, and it's sort of a meta tool bar thing. It is apparently required by a few plugins in CKAN. Is there a way to make it permanently invisible? I don't mean hide it on the edge, I mean not on the screen.
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L226[12:18:33] <ve2dmn> it's a toolbar
L227[12:22:44] <Mathuin> I have a mod named Toolbar. I removed it. Hopefully that won't break anything else...
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L233[12:38:10] <Fluburtur> what in hell https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Breda_30.jpg/1200px-Breda_30.jpg
L234[12:38:55] <ve2dmn> Fluburtur: Fallout 4 ulra-gun mod?
L235[12:38:59] <Fluburtur> no
L236[12:39:03] <Fluburtur> breda 30
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L238[12:43:39] <Mathuin> So I have to connect a Dawn engine to a mid-sized fairing base. I don't want anything getting tippy. What's best practices?
L239[12:57:02] * Deddly has never used a fairing...
L240[12:57:31] <Deddly> That's only because I've been focusing on spaceplanes for a while
L241[12:58:40] <Deddly> But my inderstanding is that everything inside a fiaring is secured. Isn't that so?
L242[12:59:05] <Althego> never used a fairing?
L243[12:59:07] <Althego> how
L244[12:59:20] <Deddly> Althego, cargo bays BTW
L245[12:59:24] <Deddly> FTW*
L246[12:59:51] <Deddly> Althego, I made rockets before fairings were a thing, then I started making spaceplanes... that's where I stayed
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L250[13:27:38] <Mathuin> Tippy seems to happen when you have disparate sizes of parts you're attaching.
L251[13:28:00] <Mathuin> If you make an hourglass rocket with two orange tanks connected by a tiny separatron, you get the wiggles.
L252[13:28:05] <Mathuin> Etc.
L253[13:28:22] <Althego> and dont use struts
L254[13:28:32] <Althego> but there are even autostruts now
L255[13:30:03] <ve2dmn> ^
L256[13:30:20] <ve2dmn> Autostruct to heaviest part work well enough for me
L257[13:39:16] <Deddly> Don't fairings have autostuts to everything inside them nowadays?
L258[13:40:02] <Althego> there is something like that too
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L262[14:05:18] <Deddly> How does Windows Update always manage to break something every time?
L263[14:05:46] <Eclipser> they make extra effort to achieve that every time
L264[14:07:15] <Althego> it doesnt
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L266[14:07:57] <Eclipser> every major update breaks my audio drivers and I have to uninstall and reinstall them a few times to get them working again
L267[14:08:01] <Eclipser> on windows 10
L268[14:08:19] <Althego> conclusion: the audio drivers are bad
L269[14:08:59] <Eclipser> yes, but I wonder how they manage to break with each update
L270[14:09:44] <Eclipser> there hven't been any new drivers for it since around 2008-2009(?)
L271[14:09:55] <Eclipser> discontinued pro-hardware :E
L272[14:10:03] <Althego> there you go
L273[14:10:13] <Althego> windows 10 didnt even exist then
L274[14:10:36] <Althego> why would you assume that those drivers will be compatible with a future version of windows?
L275[14:10:40] <Eclipser> look... I know how things work
L276[14:10:52] <Althego> ms tries to be compatible to the ends of time
L277[14:10:58] <Althego> tries really hard
L278[14:11:09] <Eclipser> obviously you missed the sarcasm
L279[14:11:20] <Althego> i always do
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L282[14:14:20] <ve2dmn> Eclipser: Virtualize your hardware! it's the future!
L283[14:16:18] <ve2dmn> one day we won't need hardware! It will be all in the cloud!
L284[14:18:23] <Eclipser> unfortunately for audio production that's never going to be a thing
L285[14:19:02] <ve2dmn> Did you make a Tower of Midi?
L286[14:19:25] <Eclipser> it's more like a wall
L287[14:20:38] <ve2dmn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiMP-PlL6VM
L288[14:20:39] <kmath> YouTube - LGR - 486 Upgrade! Building a MIDI Mountain
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L291[14:22:41] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
L292[14:22:50] <Deddly> I have my battery set to sharge no more than 90% and Windows update stops it working :/
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L294[14:24:07] <ve2dmn> Deddly: are you trying to save the battery life?
L295[14:24:32] <Deddly> ve2dmn, indeed
L296[14:24:42] <Deddly> Makes a big difference
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L300[14:25:00] <Deddly> My old laptop battery lasted for 8 years because of that feature
L301[14:25:06] <ve2dmn> The biggest difference is to not use the battery at all :D
L302[14:25:24] <Deddly> ve2dmn, impractical when it is welded to the motherboard
L303[14:26:51] <Deddly> Or possibly soldered ;)
L304[14:27:49] <ve2dmn> It's one thing I miss in cellphones: removable batteries
L305[14:28:26] <Deddly> Me too, but the solution is to get one with an unreasonably large battery and try not to charge it to 100%
L306[14:28:48] <Deddly> The reduced number of charge cycles will make it last years longer
L307[14:29:03] <ve2dmn> isn't it charge 'cycles' to kills the cell prematuraly?
L308[14:29:35] <Deddly> What do you mean?
L309[14:29:48] <ve2dmn> I'm not an expert on battery tech, but I had the impression that It was better to leave them plugged in then letting the phone charge-discharge
L310[14:30:09] <Deddly> OK, so assuming we're talking about Litium Ion, that's not quite true
L311[14:30:47] <Deddly> The optimal solution would be to leave it constantly at 50%, but that's not going to happen
L312[14:31:16] <Deddly> Both fully-charged and completely empty puts a lot of wear and tear on the cells
L313[14:31:39] <Deddly> Fully-charged is better than completely empty, though
L314[14:32:11] <Deddly> The worst thing you can do is to let a Lithium ion battery completely discharge and leave it empty
L315[14:32:44] <Deddly> It's not going to destroy it to let it run out, and it's not going to destroy it to charge it full, but don't leave it in that state.
L316[14:32:56] <ve2dmn> I'll have to look it up. I never actually took the time to really find good sources of information
L317[14:33:15] <Deddly> Realistically, try and unplug the charger around 80-90% and don't let it go below 20-20%
L318[14:33:57] <Deddly> er
L319[14:34:02] <Deddly> 20-30%
L320[14:35:16] <Deddly> Cycles of 80% - 20% every day will be many times better for the battery than 100% - 0%
L321[14:35:56] <Deddly> Even if the total number of cycles are the same, battery will last many years longer
L322[14:38:03] <Deddly> On the other hand, NiCad batteries LOVE to be completely discharged, and indeed should be left completely empty if you're not going to use them for a long time. Since NiCad is what many people first experienced when it comes to consumer devices with rechargable batteries, people make the big mistake of treating other battery chemistries the same way. RIP batteries
L323[14:38:28] <ve2dmn> yeah: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_commercial_battery_types
L324[14:38:56] <Deddly> Ah, nice
L325[14:39:17] <Deddly> One of the most interesting batteries on that list is the Nickel-iron one
L326[14:39:45] <Deddly> Some of the earliest cars ever built were actually electric, and used those batteries
L327[14:40:25] <Deddly> There are examples still in existence, and still fully-functioning using the original batteries
L328[14:40:42] <Deddly> 100-year-old battery with no degredation. Incredible
L329[14:41:15] <ve2dmn> much simpler tech. Less possibles modes of failiure
L330[14:42:17] <ve2dmn> If you have any good reference for battery tech lifetime extention, I'll be happy to read it
L331[14:42:34] <Deddly> You can take that battery, leave it out in extremely low temperatures with zero charge so that the electrolyte freezes, then start charging it, leave it with no overcharge protection so that the water completely boils dry, replace the water, battery will be like new.
L332[14:42:47] <tawny> so why don't we really use them much anymore
L333[14:43:02] <tawny> not high enough energy density?
L334[14:43:06] <Deddly> tawny, there's an interesting story there.
L335[14:43:35] <Deddly> The energy density is indeed inferior to Lead acid
L336[14:44:28] <Deddly> but because you can completely discharge it with no damage, the useful charge is actually about the same
L337[14:46:09] <Deddly> tawny, as to why we don't use them: Exide bought the tech and subsequently killed it off in favour of lead acid batteries they already were producing
L338[14:46:37] <JCB> ....
L339[14:46:56] <JCB> anyone built a thing for helping pilots in and out of aircraft?
L340[14:47:01] <Deddly> Oh yes, it has another weakness: high self discharge
L341[14:47:04] <ve2dmn> plus, consumers wanted 'shelf-life' batteries. And other types have a longer shlef-life
L342[14:47:33] <Deddly> ve2dmn, what is a "shelf-life" battery?
L343[14:47:59] <ve2dmn> one that last a long time on the shelf before you use it.
L344[14:48:03] <Deddly> JCB, are you talking about KSP?
L345[14:48:17] <ve2dmn> (Maybe a translation issue here. don't mind me)
L346[14:48:46] <Deddly> ve2dmn, ah, yes. Nickel Iron discharges itself quite quickly compared with other technologies. But it works very well in some applications
L347[14:49:16] <ve2dmn> yes. Ones with constant recharges, like solar, winds, trains, etc...
L348[14:50:07] <JCB> deddly ya.. for most part. somehow ended up building a passenger plane thats working rather well. guess I should consider more runways first...
L349[14:50:55] <Deddly> JCB, so you need a ladder to get in the plane?
L350[14:51:08] <Deddly> JCB, or lower the landing gear
L351[14:51:42] <Deddly> ve2dmn, sorry all I said is from memory. There are some excellent articles out there though
L352[14:51:54] <Deddly> (in reference to your request for sources)
L353[14:51:57] <JCB> also whine for not making a couple of fuel tanks into cargo pods or something
L354[14:52:27] <JCB> deddly eh.. mk3 spaceplane cockpit.. 3 of those 16 passenger cabin parts
L355[14:52:51] <JCB> I tried a cargo varient but... didn't quite work out as well as my other, the Mule
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L357[14:53:49] <ve2dmn> Deddly: reminds me a bit about Zylog. They were making too much money to spend time developping FPGA tech. So the Engineers left and started a new company which is now worth many times what Zylog is worth.
L358[14:54:41] <ve2dmn> But at the time it was like: "Nobody is gonna use that tech. The other one are much cheaper and much more efficient"
L359[14:54:41] <JCB> Deddly the KRJ-58 https://imgur.com/a/WbRRZ
L360[14:54:42] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/1PLX99u.jpg
L361[14:55:59] <Deddly> What is Zylog?
L362[14:56:26] <Deddly> That's nice, JCB
L363[14:56:48] <ve2dmn> sorry, Zilog, not Zylog
L364[14:57:08] <Deddly> ve2dmn, ok, what is Silog? :)
L365[14:57:12] <Deddly> Zilog*
L366[14:57:32] <Deddly> JCB, does it really need all those aelerons?
L367[14:57:35] <ve2dmn> They made the 8-bit and 16-bit chips in the old computers
L368[14:57:38] <JCB> Deddly it was based off the BAE RJ-85.. just something I started fiddling with last night
L369[14:57:43] <Deddly> ailerons*
L370[14:57:48] <ve2dmn> like the TRS-80 and the ZX81
L371[14:58:05] <JCB> ve2dmn mm... TRS-80 model 1 pocket computer right next to me
L372[14:58:29] <JCB> Deddly aelerons are on the wing tips... two of them each. but I turn off the inner during cruise. the rest are used as flaps
L373[14:58:47] <Deddly> ZX81 was Sinclair, wasn't it?
L374[14:58:53] <ve2dmn> They were making tons of money on microcontrollers and other parts to see the futur in FPGA tech
L375[14:59:06] <Deddly> JCB, ok fair enough :)
L376[14:59:29] <ve2dmn> now compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilog and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xilinx
L377[14:59:54] <JCB> cruising at alt of 4220, 185m/s burning only 0.25/second
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L379[15:01:09] <Deddly> Ah I see
L380[15:01:57] <Deddly> JCB, are you doing a range test?
L381[15:02:20] <JCB> sorta....
L382[15:02:39] <JCB> I thought of crusing to the south tip of the mainland... but .. eh.
L383[15:03:08] <JCB> the tail section is made of fuel tanks but they are empty. having that much fuel back there would mess with balance over time
L384[15:03:47] <JCB> fuel is mainly in the wings, those tanks that make up the engine pods, and the cowlings that make up the wheel fairings
L385[15:04:29] <Deddly> Ah, nice that you emptied the read tanks. I was expecting you to have serious balance problems later in the flight.
L386[15:04:36] <Deddly> rear* tanks
L387[15:05:24] <JCB> considering... I've been into aviation since I was a kid... part way through getting my recreational class pilot's permit...
L388[15:05:44] <ve2dmn> JCB: I did the ground school part
L389[15:06:19] <JCB> ya.. they want me to run through it again, since its been a while. Weather has been crap out here for anything outside summer..
L390[15:07:50] <JCB> mm... I should probably get a proper aircraft autopilot for my flying around.. think about bringing back kerbinside and some of the settlements I built
L391[15:11:14] <ve2dmn> Comment by DuoDex: https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/7iag0l/leaked_photographs_from_the_ksc_show_the_true/dqxs3s4/
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L401[15:20:37] <tawny> JCB, haha I just noticed the small little strake wing parts being used as a fillet for the tail
L402[15:21:17] <JCB> strake tank.. ya...
L403[15:21:37] <tawny> did that help it fly better, or is it just for aesthetics
L404[15:22:05] <JCB> sorta both..
L405[15:22:13] <tawny> neat!
L406[15:22:29] <JCB> rudder part though... I might change I don't know yet. for now, seems to work.
L407[15:22:58] <JCB> loose an outer engine, can still control it kinda
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L411[15:29:22] <JCB> welp.. looks like flight cut short. Getting called away to help someone. yay for revert flight
L412[15:29:51] <JCB> but first test water landing
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L415[15:32:12] <JCB> lol.. ok that went better than expected... no damage and can even take off... if careful
L416[15:34:20] <Deddly> Nice
L417[15:34:25] <Deddly> So quick save :)
L418[15:34:29] <tawny> oh, wow, nice
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L420[15:35:15] <JCB> do know gotta take care on runway landing. touch down just a bit too fast, wings snap off
L421[15:36:45] <JCB> anycase.. gotta run
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L434[15:52:17] <Deddly> New Weekly is out https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/168325-ksp-weekly-longest-stay-on-the-moon/
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L439[15:54:19] <ve2dmn> Deddly: KSP on consoles? Which ones?
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L441[15:55:24] <Deddly> ve2dmn, consoles? KSP console versions were made for XBoxOne and PS4
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L443[15:56:10] <ve2dmn> it mentions "Kerbal Space Program Enhanced Edition" in the weekly
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L446[15:56:52] <Deddly> Oh, I haven't got there yet :)
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L448[15:57:48] <ve2dmn> I only care for Nintendo Exclusives. Most of the other games, I can get on PC
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L451[15:58:29] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/388810836074037249/24862413_544810872528203_4995124498588054749_n.png
L452[16:01:25] <Deddly> ve2dmn, ok so the current game on consoles is version 1 and is no longer available. This is a completely new rewrite of the game, and so much has changed that they obviously feel a slightly new name is appropriate
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L477[16:49:32] <lordcirth> My IRC client is flashing that someone tagged me, but it's off scrollback
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L479[17:04:53] <sandbox> lordcirth, not today
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L481[17:07:15] <Rolf> lordcirth: I use hexchat "highlight" which stores text that pinged me
L482[17:07:21] <Rolf> so i can read whatever said it
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L498[17:41:11] <lordcirth> Rolf, is that a plugin? I'm using hexchat
L499[17:41:25] <Rolf> it is
L500[17:41:35] <Rolf> a sec
L501[17:42:09] <Rolf> https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat-addons/blob/master/perl/showhighlight/showhighlight.pl
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L515[18:41:23] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/4a3b32080805c35f31a945b001964a07/tumblr_owi9tyEdCu1u1vkloo1_500.jpg
L516[19:08:39] <Fluburtur> does anyone here know about airfoils?
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L528[20:27:13] <FltAdmVonSpiz> anyone know the maximum terrain height on Ike?
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L541[21:05:12] <Blaank> Patreon is doing some skeevy cashgrabbing. Be warned. https://www.reddit.com/r/patreon/comments/7i2kqd/patreon_will_start_charging_patrons_a_credit_card/
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L543[21:23:39] <lordcirth> Rolf, thanks!
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L548[21:37:36] <FltAdmVonSpiz> also I'm a terrible boss, I sent Valentina on an orbital survey of Duna and Ike by herself
L549[21:37:49] <FltAdmVonSpiz> then only managed to get her back because I used the monoprop aboard to correct the approach
L550[21:38:06] <Mathuin> At least she didn't have to get out and push.
L551[21:38:11] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and spent several minutes holding down the H key
L552[21:38:12] <taniwha> FltAdmVonSpiz: how is that terrible?
L553[21:38:31] <FltAdmVonSpiz> well she's probably crazy and terrified that next time she launches she is going to die in the cold vacuum of space
L554[21:38:37] <FltAdmVonSpiz> because mission control cut corners on the delta-v budget
L555[21:38:51] <taniwha> fair enough
L556[21:46:23] <Blaank> The Subnautica planetary system makes no sense at all. You have background stars which are stationary. A moon which is stationary. A moon which moves. And the sun which moves.
L557[21:46:59] <Blaank> As far as I can tell there is one moon magically pinned in place, a moon that orbits the planet, and a sun that orbits the planet.
L558[21:48:29] <Blaank> Minecraft is slightly better as the planet does rotate. But the moon is in the earth-sun L2 and still has phases.
L559[21:55:49] <tawny> the moon is just another minecraft world with a bunch of automated quarries that tear up all the stone and then put it down again
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