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L1[00:00:07] <Rolf> if none just make mining rover and go to nearest place you can mine on kerbal
L2[00:02:11] <Mathuin> It's gotta be done on Mun. Will have to look at the wiki to see what a good mining rover is.
L3[00:02:43] <Rolf> lol ok. I still remember that weird ksp bug that allows anyone mine their own fuel tank, filling it.
L4[00:02:58] <Rolf> tank on base I mean
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L15[00:33:39] <taniwha> Rolf: eh?
L16[00:34:22] <Rolf> taniwha: there was this silly bug where guy could build a mining rover, drive to fuel thingy at ksp base, and mine it
L17[00:34:31] <Rolf> it gives infinite fuel
L18[00:35:28] <KrazyKrl> That doesn't sound like a bug, it sounds like a feature.
L19[00:35:47] <taniwha> there's that, but it also sounds incoherent
L20[00:35:51] <KrazyKrl> Especially if selling fuel at that distance is literally zero funds.
L21[00:36:28] <KrazyKrl> Or maybe drilling into the tank should make the tank explode; and take out the drill you're using.
L22[00:36:38] <Rolf> it simply dont work now I think
L23[00:36:38] <taniwha> why would it explode?
L24[00:36:45] <Rolf> fuel, and sparks
L25[00:36:54] <KrazyKrl> Rapid oxidation.
L26[00:36:58] <taniwha> my dad has welded fuel tanks
L27[00:37:07] <taniwha> by filling them with fuel
L28[00:37:24] <KrazyKrl> Welding doesn't cause leaks, quite the opposite.
L29[00:37:42] <taniwha> lots of sparks and heat near fuel and air :P
L30[00:37:52] <taniwha> (fuel due to leak being welded shut)
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L32[00:38:44] <taniwha> he had to do that when I was little: my parents were traveling around the Australian outback and got a hole in the fuel tank
L33[00:38:49] <KrazyKrl> Except that the fuel inside cannot burn, because it does not contain oxygen; along with the fact that welding introduces more material, not less.
L34[00:38:58] <taniwha> dad welded it shut while mom kept me at a safe distance
L35[00:39:28] <taniwha> KrazyKrl: that's exactly why the tank did not explode: it was full of fuel instead of a fuel-air mix
L36[00:39:32] <KrazyKrl> It probably wasn't a pressurized, possibly cryogenic, fuel storage.
L37[00:39:49] <taniwha> still wouldn't necessarily explode
L38[00:40:09] <KrazyKrl> Drilling into that spherical tank wouldn't really explode... as much as it would burst, mix with air, and be ignited by the hot drill interface.
L39[00:40:24] <taniwha> it might not burst
L40[00:40:42] <taniwha> yes, balloons do, but not much engineering goes into balloons
L41[00:41:10] <KrazyKrl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr15rPHEmeQ
L42[00:41:10] <kmath> YouTube - Propane Tank Explosion
L43[00:42:14] <taniwha> many many factors
L44[00:42:28] <taniwha> (not saying it's a good idea to go drilling into fuel tanks, though)
L45[00:42:49] <taniwha> saying only that there's no guarantee it will explode
L46[00:43:33] <taniwha> (and since it's a fixed surface installation, it might very well be over-engineered)
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L56[02:25:46] <Blaank> Neat propane tank.
L57[02:27:15] <Blaank> Hmm..... would it make more sense to have the pressure relief valve pop open and stay open to fully vent the tank without an explosion?
L58[02:27:21] <Blaank> A rupture disk.
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L60[02:28:30] <Blaank> I've always wondered why the tanks blow up when they have relief valves and the answer is the fire weakens the metal and it ruptures below the relief valve pressure.
L61[02:29:18] <taniwha> but but but, jet fuel cannot melt steel [tanks]!
L62[02:29:22] <taniwha> ;)
L63[02:29:30] <taniwha> (doesn't need to)
L64[02:29:56] <Blaank> It would make even more sense to have a temperature sensitive rupture valve like a fire sprinkler. If there is lots of heat, it trips and fully vents the tank resulting in a flamethrower but no explosion. If it isn't at risk of weakening and exploding, the normal pressure valve does all the work from overpressure.
L65[02:31:27] <Blaank> That single relief valve does give you plenty of time to run away.
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L72[03:40:06] <Blaank> What organization regulates who can land what ships on what planets (IRL) and do they have any enforcement powers?
L73[03:40:24] <Blaank> What is actually stopping Elon from cratering a Tesla into Mars?
L74[03:42:41] <tawny> the FAA regulates things up to a certain height
L75[03:42:53] <tawny> but nobody really has any actual power to stop elon from doing it if he wants to
L76[03:43:03] <tawny> save for someone's military
L77[03:43:15] <Gasher[work]> save for telecommunications :)
L78[03:43:18] <tawny> who could blow up the rocket on the pad or something
L79[03:43:24] <tawny> haha
L80[03:43:29] <Gasher[work]> disconnect
L81[03:43:34] <tawny> them too, but they'd have to get clever about it
L82[03:43:54] <tawny> and then find a way to still convince spacex to launch their next iridium sat ;)
L83[03:46:58] <Blaank> So there are no fines in place for launching biological payloads to other planets and contaminating them?
L84[03:48:29] <Gasher[work]> well legislation is a thing not set in stone so i'd say one can find oneself in interesting position after doing so
L85[03:55:10] <tawny> there is the UN's outer space treaty
L86[03:55:21] <tawny> but I'm not sure if that does anything at all about an independent corporate approach
L87[03:56:30] <tawny> I wonder how you get a sterilized payload onto the rocket in the first place
L88[03:56:32] <tawny> without contaminating it
L89[03:57:06] <Blaank> You do your best to ensure the inside is clean then rely on vacuum and cosmic radiation to finish off what's on the outside.
L90[03:57:27] <Blaank> 6 months of irradiating death is not kind to life.
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L101[04:54:29] <Eddi|zuHause> ... and then there's tardigrades
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L103[05:05:21] <Blaank> You have to dehydrate them and shield them from direct sunlight.
L104[05:05:35] <Blaank> And then it's like 80% kill rate after .... don't remember the timeline.
L105[05:05:46] <Blaank> The ones exposed to sunlight all died.
L106[05:06:09] <Rolf> unless its a water bear
L107[05:06:19] <Rolf> then it laughs at your pathitic attempt to kill it
L108[05:08:10] <Eddi|zuHause> that's what we're talking about
L109[05:08:33] <Rolf> oh yes forgot scienfic name of tardigrades lol
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L112[05:29:19] <Blaank> They die when exposed to raw sunlight.
L113[05:29:25] <Blaank> There were no survivors.
L114[05:31:19] <Rolf> so they die in raw sunlight eh
L115[05:31:21] <Rolf> interesting
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L117[05:32:19] <Blaank> I read a pretty good summary of the study and remember some of it. The ones that lived were exposed to cosmic rays but were in the shade. ~80% death rate. The ones without shade all died.
L118[05:32:53] <Rolf> Behold, the power of Ra
L119[05:33:06] <Rolf> even water bears die by it]
L120[05:33:08] <Rolf> ;(
L121[05:33:12] <Rolf> er ;)
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L126[06:00:53] <sandbox> F
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L130[07:04:01] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/0e3331756f53e0a02e4fc41e0ba7b59a/tumblr_oqh6o20UFX1vp2ixso1_400.jpg
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L132[07:06:39] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/e26fe0687a0435fc9153123c2300010b/tumblr_inline_p039q7Wi8z1t6s5jk_540.jpg
L133[07:09:45] <Mat2ch> and then he falls over and crushes the display. :D
L134[07:10:03] <Fluburtur> it's a gopnik he doesn't care
L135[07:10:29] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/3e22431a6ba268dc21de9b2afde9e14e/tumblr_nrmnivs7S61tu0z5no1_540.jpg
L136[07:13:43] <Althego> supreme champion?
L137[07:14:01] <Fluburtur> yes
L138[07:14:10] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/e1c99893c21ff259ca86d4b680584d3c/tumblr_inline_nbckjkugKs1s77xmy.gif
L139[07:18:19] <sandbox> what's going on with the supreme champion?
L140[07:18:30] <Fluburtur> yes
L141[07:19:51] <sandbox> I don't get it
L142[07:20:04] <Fluburtur> yes
L143[07:20:42] <sandbox> have you ever been to an agricultural show?
L144[07:21:02] <Althego> so elon just lied abot the car?
L145[07:21:17] <Blaank> what
L146[07:22:08] <Blaank> No way could he pass up that news coverage.
L147[07:22:21] <Althego> https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-is-sending-a-tesla-roadster-into-space-on-the-1820944174
L148[07:22:35] <Blaank> TRAITOR
L149[07:23:47] <Blaank> Well I guess I'm not going to see the launch. I'm angry.
L150[07:23:54] <Althego> hehe
L151[07:26:14] <Blaank> How could he pass up something so amazing.
L152[07:26:27] <Blaank> He came up with the most crazy idea that would get everyone interested in the rocket and then blew it.
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L156[07:35:34] <Mat2ch> I've seen lots of people posting stuff like "before we even set foot on Mars, wie put space junk up there" and most of them have no clue about orbital mechanics
L157[07:35:38] <Mat2ch> it's sad :|
L158[07:36:06] <Mat2ch> they think of space junk as something random, something that clutters up space. But one giant car is not the problem
L159[07:36:16] <Alanonzander> we already have 'space junk' on mars :P
L160[07:36:25] <Mat2ch> yeah, that, too. :D
L161[07:36:35] <Mat2ch> stupid stupid people
L162[07:36:40] <Alanonzander> yep
L163[07:37:01] <Alanonzander> Most don't even know that Viking 1 and 2 are there
L164[07:37:02] <Fluburtur> man this batch of hot glue really stinks
L165[07:37:14] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: did you shop in China again?
L166[07:37:20] <Fluburtur> no
L167[07:37:26] <Fluburtur> local hardware store
L168[07:37:33] <Mat2ch> I did wanna see a Tesla in space :(
L169[07:37:35] <Fluburtur> but it smells worse than usual
L170[07:37:39] <Mat2ch> Return it
L171[07:38:07] <Fluburtur> I already used half of it
L172[07:38:14] <Fluburtur> I got it like 3 months ago
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L174[07:49:09] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/255748182426910720/387238846665981961/DSC_8070.JPG
L175[07:50:12] <Mat2ch> brütal!
L176[07:50:30] <Mat2ch> is there any tape on the wings themselfs or just at the edges?
L177[07:50:44] <Mat2ch> also I see christmas cookies!
L178[07:51:07] <Fluburtur> just leading edges
L179[07:51:27] <Fluburtur> also that cookies box is from last year but my grandma makes cakes and put them in the box
L180[07:52:45] <Fluburtur> next step is make a hatch and joint the control surfaces and then it will be ready to fly
L181[07:52:47] <Mat2ch> seems all the mas are the same :D
L182[07:53:04] <Mat2ch> you could use clear tape to smoothen the surface of the wing
L183[07:53:11] <Mat2ch> less turbulances means more flight time
L184[07:53:46] <Mat2ch> but it adds a bit of weight. It's a tradeoff
L185[07:54:02] <Fluburtur> eh
L186[07:54:15] <Fluburtur> it looks kinda smooth but it really isn't, it was my first try cutting something that big
L187[07:54:37] <Fluburtur> so im gonna fly this one until it doesn't fly anymore
L188[07:54:46] <Fluburtur> and with that battery load it will have too much flight time already
L189[07:55:06] <Fluburtur> 4400mah, this will fly like an hour
L190[07:55:18] <Mat2ch> well, time to make a drone out of it. Let it fly on its own. :D
L191[07:55:56] <Fluburtur> I was thinkign about adding a flight controller for some stabilisation but I realized it would take longer to set it up than it would fly
L192[07:57:27] <Mat2ch> I'd pack a gyro, an airspeed and a height sensor and a microcontroller
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L199[08:18:48] <Fluburtur> moft flight controllers those day can do all that
L200[08:18:57] <Fluburtur> they at least pack a 6 axis inertial unit
L201[08:19:02] <Fluburtur> sometimes a presure sensor
L202[08:19:13] <Fluburtur> and they can handle a bunch of other sensors
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L204[08:25:45] <Mat2ch> but it's just plugging things together from which you don't know what they're doing :P
L205[08:26:00] <Fluburtur> eh not a simple
L206[08:26:02] <Mat2ch> with a microcontroller you can add a GPS module and make it fly waypoints. :D
L207[08:26:12] <Fluburtur> I also have a gps
L208[08:26:17] <Fluburtur> but it's hard to make it work
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L212[09:16:13] <Fluburtur> Mat2ch https://youtu.be/HO7VMJ2fVBo
L213[09:16:13] <kmath> YouTube - Building the Marble Machine at the Speelklok Museum
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L216[09:42:20] <ve2dmn> good morning
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L229[10:14:53] <APlayer> Hi!
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L232[10:27:41] <Leveller> Hello
L233[10:27:41] <ve2dmn> anyone tried the Google doodle?
L234[10:27:42] <Leveller> :)
L235[10:27:42] <Mod9000> Hello, Leveller
L236[10:27:49] <Leveller> wuuut? bot?
L237[10:28:01] <Leveller> that was way to fast for a hello for a human.
L238[10:29:07] <ve2dmn> Leveller: yes
L239[10:29:25] <ve2dmn> although IRC clients have tab completion
L240[10:29:58] <Leveller> true.
L241[10:30:10] <ve2dmn> https://www.google.com/doodles/celebrating-50-years-of-kids-coding
L242[10:30:34] <sandbox> that's too old to be a kid
L243[10:48:30] <ve2dmn> Google is too old?
L244[10:50:00] <ve2dmn> Google is of drinking age everywhere except the US
L245[10:50:18] <ve2dmn> If Google was a person, it would be old enough to have kids
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L266[11:58:47] <Eddi|zuHause> what is the definition of "old enough to have kids"?
L267[11:59:33] <Eddi|zuHause> biological fertility?
L268[11:59:57] <Eddi|zuHause> that's pretty young these days, and tends to get even younger
L269[12:00:23] <Eddi|zuHause> by societal norms, it tends to get older
L270[12:07:32] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: I wonder if there'll be a next video.
L271[12:08:21] <Mat2ch> It only gets younger, because of our good nutrition
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L280[12:40:19] <ve2dmn> Me vs the Google Doodle; https://xkcd.com/356/
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L288[13:16:35] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L295[13:32:39] <ve2dmn> :( https://dogarandkazon.squarespace.com/
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L297[13:35:20] <ve2dmn> Good news: there is not 1 but 2 new Star Control games. Bad news: They don't agree on legal things
L298[13:36:02] <tawny> huh
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L300[13:36:43] <ve2dmn> Stardock says they own the rights. The original authors don't agree
L301[13:37:16] <ve2dmn> Both are making a new game... and are saying the other don't have full rights...
L302[13:37:47] <ve2dmn> If they somehow manage to agree we might get not 1 but 2 new games \o/
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L314[14:15:30] <APlayer> Houston, the Eagle has destroyed the platform it was supposed to land on
L315[14:16:20] <APlayer> That sucks more than it sounds like, actually
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L318[14:17:51] <APlayer> Anyway, looks like it might be successful once I fix a typo in the code which caused the landing burn not to be executed
L319[14:18:39] <APlayer> Crashed spot-on into the landing pad, and I know for a fact that landings were working before this test run, although it never hit the target pad
L320[14:22:37] * APlayer crosses his fingers
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L322[14:25:16] <ve2dmn> APlayer: 'Tried to push infinity on the stack'?
L323[14:25:34] <APlayer> Tried to get a vector from a vector, more like
L324[14:26:03] <APlayer> (Forgot to remove ":VECTOR" from an edited expression which used to be a direction)
L325[14:27:19] <APlayer> Man, testing this thing sucks
L326[14:28:19] <APlayer> GOt to launch, wait 2.5 min in game time (more IRL because of lag), switch the vessel to the staged booster, wait 5 min before reentry and only then watch the interesting part (2 - 3 more minutes)
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L328[14:29:34] <APlayer> And time warp is not an option, it causes the wildest RCS oscillations and I end up running out of fuel mid-air
L329[14:32:31] <APlayer> ...and another syntax error
L330[14:32:38] <APlayer> Although I have no idea what caused it
L331[14:32:58] <APlayer> Oh, I know what caused it
L332[14:33:21] <APlayer> It's the one I just fixed, for some reason it did not get updated while re-launching :/
L333[14:33:45] <Leveller> Is there a way to see history in chrome of a specific site? Like blahblah.com/underfolders.html ive been too ?
L334[14:33:51] <Leveller> i never clear history
L335[14:33:56] <Leveller> so should be "somewhere"
L336[14:34:50] <APlayer> There is a menu in the upper right window of Chrome (on Windows, that is). There should be an option like "History" somewhere at the top
L337[14:37:43] <Leveller> yeah but i dont wanna browse through all "today, yesterday " etc
L338[14:37:50] <Leveller> i wanna search for a specific site ive been on.
L339[14:37:54] <Leveller> and see all adresses.
L340[14:39:00] <APlayer> There is a search bar in there, IIRC?
L341[14:39:24] <APlayer> (I mean, a product of Google without search bars? You kidding me? :P)
L342[14:40:17] <APlayer> Ctrl + H it is
L343[14:40:24] <APlayer> That's what I mean
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L345[14:44:23] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Humm, have you ever played with the thought of using multiple kOS cores to perform simultaneous tasks asynchronously? I.e. one master core to send commands to the slave cores one at a time, while the slave cores perform scripts depending on the command. Useful for asynchronous attitude control, PID loops, UI things, etc...
L346[14:44:39] <APlayer> Or is there a better way to do this?
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L348[14:44:55] <ve2dmn> I wish. There is a messaging system if I'm not mistaken
L349[14:45:03] <APlayer> There is, yes
L350[14:46:03] <ve2dmn> Leveller: your google account also has your complete history if you want to search that
L351[14:46:13] <APlayer> It queues up variables either to a vessel or to a specific core, and any given script may get the oldest message of the queue at any time. Messages can be nearly any sort of variable
L352[14:46:36] <ve2dmn> https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity
L353[14:48:32] * APlayer crosses his fingers once more
L354[14:50:41] <APlayer> Nooo! :-( https://imgur.com/GKTHFau
L355[14:50:41] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/GKTHFau.png
L356[14:51:28] <ve2dmn> APlayer: is your code public?
L357[14:51:54] <APlayer> ve2dmn: I have not uploaded it anywhere, but I may pastebin it or something
L358[14:52:23] <APlayer> It's messy, though
L359[14:52:32] <ve2dmn> I'm busy theses few weeks, I was just curious, but I won't have time to look at it
L360[14:53:01] <APlayer> Was "theses" intentional, or did you mean "these"?
L361[14:53:29] <ve2dmn> I have lots of shopping to do the next few weeks
L362[14:54:20] <APlayer> Ah, okay. Christmas stuff?
L363[14:54:27] <ve2dmn> yes
L364[14:54:43] <ve2dmn> I have Maple Alcohol to buy (as xmas gift) and that thing is in short supply
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L366[14:55:32] <APlayer> Wait, let me guess, in Canada you do not drink beer or wine or traditional alcoholic beverages - you drink maple alcohol?
L367[14:55:34] <ve2dmn> I also have to find an original Gameboy with Pokémon Yellow for my sister
L368[14:56:18] <ve2dmn> Maple Alhocol is a rare thing. It's a recent addition
L369[14:56:24] <ve2dmn> It's made like mead
L370[14:56:27] <APlayer> Alright then
L371[14:57:18] <ve2dmn> Compared to europe, alcohol is not cheap
L372[14:57:48] <APlayer> Depends on what parts of Europe you mean
L373[14:58:32] <APlayer> IIRC alcoholic beverages are extremely expensive in some Scandinavian countries
L374[14:58:42] <ve2dmn> Define 'expensive'
L375[14:58:50] <APlayer> Let me look up
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L377[15:00:54] <APlayer> "Drinks are taxed by content of alcohol, more heavily than in most other countries. The tax on vodka (40%) is 200.56 SEK/litre, on Wine (14%) 22.08 SEK/litre and on beer (4.5%) 6.615 SEK/litre (2007)." according to Wikipedia, "Alcoholic drinks in Sweden"
L378[15:01:26] <ve2dmn> So... how much for a typical bottle?
L379[15:01:27] <APlayer> Not sure how the currency compares to dollars, but IIRC about 1:20 or so?
L380[15:01:45] <APlayer> 1:10
L381[15:02:06] <APlayer> ...so the tax on vodka is $20 per litre
L382[15:02:36] <Leveller> ve2dmn: and you can sort "from the beginning of time" on a specific site?
L383[15:03:43] <ve2dmn> Leveller: probably. It's your entire history if you are logged-in
L384[15:03:54] <Leveller> cool
L385[15:04:02] <ve2dmn> APlayer: how much for a bottle then?
L386[15:04:23] <APlayer> ve2dmn: No idea, I'm not in Sweden :P
L387[15:05:08] <ve2dmn> Bcause a typical Bottle of 1.15L is around 40-45 CAD
L388[15:05:10] <APlayer> The alcohol tax alone is $15 per bottle, though, so I guess, what, maybe $20? $25?
L389[15:05:13] <ve2dmn> (for vodka)
L390[15:05:21] <APlayer> Assuming a 0.75 bottle
L391[15:05:43] <ve2dmn> A cheap 750ml bottle is 25$
L392[15:05:52] <APlayer> And USD prices, not sure how USD compares to CAD
L393[15:06:08] <ve2dmn> CAD is crappy these days
L394[15:06:34] <APlayer> 1:0.75
L395[15:07:17] <APlayer> So my estimate is about 19 CAD for a bottle of vodka in Sweden
L396[15:07:31] <APlayer> Let me find some random supermarket site and see actual prices
L397[15:07:38] <ve2dmn> Vodka in QC: https://www.saq.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplay?storeId=20002&catalogId=50000&langId=-2&pageSize=20&beginIndex=0&searchCategory=Entete&searchTerm=vodka
L398[15:07:50] <ve2dmn> And in Ontario:http://www.lcbo.com/lcbo/search?searchTerm=vodka
L399[15:08:40] <APlayer> Ah, there we go: http://www.globalalcoholprices.com/alcohol_prices/Sweden/
L400[15:09:10] <APlayer> Canada is actually less than Sweden in that list
L401[15:09:28] <ve2dmn> I doubt it: Every province has a different price
L402[15:09:42] <ve2dmn> So a bottle in Alberta might be half the price
L403[15:09:52] <ve2dmn> so the average is mostly useless
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L405[15:12:51] <ve2dmn> Which is why I was curious as how we compare to the rest of the world
L406[15:13:45] <APlayer> Anyway, Sweden is listed as 33 CAD in that list
L407[15:16:55] <ve2dmn> Take for example that Jonny Walker Red label bottle: That one is 29.95CAD in QC and in Ontario
L408[15:18:09] <ve2dmn> but the average for Canada is higher because it's pricier in Vancouver
L409[15:22:34] <ve2dmn> But there is a wide variety of alcohol made from Maple: https://www.saq.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplay?pageSize=20&searchTerm=maple&catalogId=50000&showOnly=product&beginIndex=0&langId=-1&storeId=20002&categoryIdentifier=&facet=ads_f4_ntk_cs%3A%22Origine%2BQu%25C3%25A9bec%22&title=title-produits-a-l-erable.html
L410[15:22:53] <ve2dmn> as well as food in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foods_made_from_maple
L411[15:24:34] <APlayer> Argh, why do you Canadians seem to have an obsession with maple things? :P
L412[15:24:56] <ve2dmn> why not?
L413[15:25:16] <APlayer> Almost like sausages in Germany. Sausages here, sausages there, sausages wherever you look at
L414[15:26:12] <Rokker> APlayer: canadians always try to tell me they arent obsessed with it
L415[15:26:27] <Rokker> and then whenever i go to canada, maple leaves as far as the eye can see
L416[15:26:29] <ve2dmn> I mean, it's sugar water
L417[15:26:34] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Well, maple syrup and other things are not particularly "conventional" in Europe. It's not bad, it's just interesting
L418[15:27:28] <ve2dmn> Rokker: it's called "The forest". We didn't put the tree there. They just grow there
L419[15:27:34] <APlayer> LOL
L420[15:28:23] <APlayer> So, in Canada you just use whatever you have on hand in creative ways, and one of the things you have on hand traditionally happened to be the forest? :P
L421[15:28:42] <ve2dmn> pretty much
L422[15:28:48] <Deddly> You're forgetting something significant
L423[15:29:14] <Deddly> In Sweden, you cannot buy wine or spirits from a random supermarket
L424[15:29:31] <Deddly> You can only buy it from the state-operated monopoly called Systembolaget
L425[15:29:39] <ve2dmn> Deddly: same here
L426[15:29:41] <Deddly> Norway is more expensive again
L427[15:30:00] <ve2dmn> See 'SAQ' and 'LCBO' as examples
L428[15:30:02] * APlayer lets more knowledgeable people take this over
L429[15:30:07] <Deddly> Norwegians go to Sweden to buy alcohol
L430[15:30:15] <Deddly> Swedes go to Denmark to buy it
L431[15:30:22] <Deddly> Danes go to Germany to get it
L432[15:30:22] <APlayer> ve2dmn: "exmaples"? :P
L433[15:30:38] <APlayer> Well, yeah, Germany is particularly famous for beer
L434[15:30:45] <ve2dmn> APlayer: other provinces have other things
L435[15:31:12] <APlayer> ve2dmn: That was a pun ;-)
L436[15:31:22] <Deddly> Aplayer, Don't let me take over, I'm going again ;)
L437[15:31:23] <APlayer> (A cheesy one, but whatever)
L438[15:32:01] <APlayer> Actually, I am about to leave as well
L439[15:32:49] * APlayer sees no objections
L440[15:32:53] * APlayer leaves
L441[15:32:53] <ve2dmn> sad. You were my distraction from a bad meeting
L442[15:33:03] * APlayer sees objections
L443[15:33:06] * APlayer returns
L444[15:33:18] <ve2dmn> Objection!!!
L445[15:33:51] <APlayer> ...so, you're researching alcohol prices during bad meetings?
L446[15:33:55] <APlayer> Nice! :D
L447[15:34:12] <ve2dmn> They are talking about XML...
L448[15:34:30] <APlayer> And what do they want to do with XML?
L449[15:34:47] <ve2dmn> I'm thinking about my next move (after work) as well as my Switch
L450[15:35:26] <ve2dmn> APlayer: something to do with one of the Library Of Congress and/or Canadian Archive library formats
L451[15:36:09] <APlayer> Are you working in some sort of Canadian National Archive IT Department or something?
L452[15:36:16] <ve2dmn> University
L453[15:36:22] <APlayer> (No idea if this is a thing)
L454[15:36:28] <APlayer> Ah, University makes sense too
L455[15:36:34] <ve2dmn> The issue is data exchange between researchers
L456[15:36:43] <APlayer> Though I never knew they held meetings at universities
L457[15:36:54] <ve2dmn> It's like any other job
L458[15:37:25] <ve2dmn> I work as a sysadmin. And my coworkers are developpers
L459[15:38:40] <APlayer> A University sysadmin? Sounds fun. So, you're basically 1) the fixit guy and 2) the-one-responsible-for-our-bad-internet-guy?
L460[15:38:54] <ve2dmn> mostly
L461[15:40:14] <ve2dmn> I don't do networking. I mostly do server management
L462[15:41:08] <APlayer> However, if Canadian stereotypes apply, which they mostly do from my limited experience, they probably are polite and invite you to maple syrup drinks anyway :P
L463[15:42:53] <APlayer> Anyway, as much as I'd like to stay as a distraction for you, I've got to leave now. I may or may not be back in 10 or so minutes, though, depends on the next course of action over here
L464[15:43:32] <APlayer> See you, stay alive until I return
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L469[15:53:25] <ve2dmn> wb
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L471[15:54:00] <ADistraction> Hey there! :D
L472[15:54:32] <ADistraction> So, are you still alive?
L473[15:55:27] <ADistraction> Apparently not :-(
L474[15:55:36] <sandbox> F
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L478[15:58:27] <ve2dmn> moslty
L479[15:58:52] <ADistraction> Mostly? The limbs are slowly going numb, or what?
L480[15:59:34] <ve2dmn> XML gives me drain bamage
L481[16:00:18] <Althego> hehe
L482[16:01:00] * ADistraction assumes there are tools to unclog drains around there somewhere
L483[16:01:13] <ADistraction> We'll fox you up in no time
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L485[16:02:05] <APlayer> How long is the meeting supposed to last?
L486[16:02:06] <ve2dmn> My day is almost over
L487[16:02:30] <APlayer> That was more dramatic than you might have anticipated
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L489[16:02:39] <ve2dmn> Tomorrow we have a maintenance at 8:00 in the morning. Then entire infrastructure will be down
L490[16:03:25] <ve2dmn> So I'm mostly thinking about that... not XML
L491[16:04:20] <APlayer> How bad is the anticipated disaster on a Richter magnitude scale?
L492[16:04:29] <ve2dmn> 2
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L494[16:04:54] <ve2dmn> our job is long-term important, but short-term 'meh'
L495[16:05:08] <APlayer> Which is more boring then, the meeting or the maintenance?
L496[16:05:19] <ve2dmn> definitly the meeting
L497[16:05:26] <ve2dmn> I'm not sure why I'm here
L498[16:05:29] <APlayer> Got it
L499[16:05:47] <APlayer> bamaging your drain, what else could be the reason?
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L501[16:05:57] <Althego> hehe meeting
L502[16:06:16] <APlayer> Also, postponing the inevitable, I.e. shopping for maple alcohol
L503[16:06:23] <ve2dmn> of course
L504[16:07:08] <APlayer> (I mean, it's the 21st century, you can buy virtually anything on the Internet. But maple alcohol is special)
L505[16:07:11] <APlayer> :P
L506[16:07:13] <Althego> is this maple alcohol some sort of game item?
L507[16:07:30] <APlayer> Althego: TIL it is some Canada item
L508[16:07:48] <Althego> maple syrup has sugar in it, so i guess it works
L509[16:07:52] <APlayer> The name is highly suggestive of this fact on its own, but TIL this is even a thing
L510[16:08:44] <APlayer> Also, I hate the weather
L511[16:09:43] <APlayer> The sun was shining literally twice for an hour or so in the last almost two months, and there was rain or snow at least once every two days for this period
L512[16:10:00] <APlayer> Feels like some sort of nuclear winter from the books by now
L513[16:10:22] <Althego> what, did you move to canada?
L514[16:10:34] <Althego> luckily i avoided winter there
L515[16:10:49] <APlayer> No, I have not left Germany recently
L516[16:11:09] <Althego> and i have not entered germany recently, the delight
L517[16:11:21] <Althego> havent even gone near an airport
L518[16:11:26] <APlayer> But I live in a very literal hole
L519[16:11:40] <Althego> in the mohole
L520[16:12:07] <APlayer> There is a lot of humidity here and it's surrounded by hilly terrain from all directions, so we are the first to end up in fog or rain or clouds or similar
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L522[16:15:54] <ve2dmn> APlayer: I can't get Alcohol on the internet. It's illegal to ship here
L523[16:15:56] <ve2dmn> https://www.saq.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchDisplay?pageSize=20&searchTerm=maple&catalogId=50000&showOnly=product&beginIndex=0&langId=-1&storeId=20002&categoryIdentifier=&facet=ads_f4_ntk_cs%3A%22Origine%2BQu%25C3%25A9bec%22&title=title-produits-a-l-erable.html
L524[16:16:28] <Althego> is this site allowed here (age rating)?
L525[16:16:39] <ve2dmn> wait... probably not
L526[16:17:23] <ve2dmn> it's just alcohol: it's the local monopoly
L527[16:17:24] <APlayer> I'd call it on the worse end of a grey zone
L528[16:17:37] <Leveller> ve2dmn: where do you live?
L529[16:17:40] <Leveller> Sounds like sweden as me.
L530[16:17:53] <ve2dmn> Montréal
L531[16:17:53] <APlayer> No worries, but better try to avoid sending such links
L532[16:18:14] <Leveller> k
L533[16:18:30] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Sweden!! See? It's Sweden with the cruel policies! :P
L534[16:19:11] <ve2dmn> Ontario, Quebec and New Hamphire does the same
L535[16:19:28] <Althego> somehow the most vivid image of montreal in my head is the marmots next to the highway
L536[16:19:53] <Althego> just how can they live there
L537[16:19:59] <Althego> how they dont die
L538[16:20:04] <Althego> what do they eat
L539[16:20:08] <Althego> there is nothing there
L540[16:20:20] <ve2dmn> Marmot?
L541[16:20:42] <Althego> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmot
L542[16:20:58] <JCB> Not to be confused with the Mammoet..
L543[16:21:15] <Althego> yes, marmoset is a monkey
L544[16:21:59] <ve2dmn> Althego: they eat grass and roots
L545[16:22:42] <ve2dmn> The racoon are the most well-adapted to city-life.
L546[16:22:59] <ve2dmn> They simply steal what they can't find the in the garbage
L547[16:23:12] <JCB> Coons and foxes.. though sadly no foxes in my area.
L548[16:24:07] <ve2dmn> I saw a brown fox in the university campus.
L549[16:24:46] <JCB> brown huh?
L550[16:24:58] <ve2dmn> I think. I don't know the name in English
L551[16:25:57] <JCB> usually they are red.. no idea why that nursery ryhme calls them brown
L552[16:26:00] <Althego> stereotypical fox here is called red (because it is a bit like the color of red human hair)
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L554[16:27:35] <ve2dmn> Althego: yes because english had no name for the 'orange-red-beige' colour : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roux_(couleur)
L555[16:28:04] <Althego> i am sure people have come up with names for lot of colors
L556[16:28:33] <Althego> it is just so that i would not use them in any language, because i feel it is not important to have that many labels
L557[16:28:38] <JCB> silver, which is really black and gray...
L558[16:28:40] <ve2dmn> Actually... there is an official name: 'Russet'
L559[16:28:42] <ve2dmn> TIL
L560[16:29:49] <Althego> hahaha https://i.redd.it/6fl9u5v2h4101.jpg
L561[16:30:12] <JCB> umm.. polar caps melted huh?
L562[16:31:28] <ve2dmn> bbl. heading downtown
L563[16:31:44] <Althego> description says: The KSC after the Kraken spagettified Jeb, causing him to hit the water at 12 times the speed of sound!
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L565[16:34:41] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FEI79WXzww
L566[16:34:41] <kmath> YouTube - Tesla Roadster to Mars? - Let's teach Elon what "going Kerbal" REALLY means!
L567[16:34:50] <Althego> wow, rocket erection mechanism
L568[16:35:05] <Althego> did not think of that yet
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L580[17:11:37] <Blaank> Elon had better send a Tesla up there.
L581[17:11:52] <Blaank> Any further word from him and not a secondary source on if he's doing it?
L582[17:22:05] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank: he said if himself
L583[17:22:15] <Blaank> jerk
L584[17:25:46] <Fluburtur> baby driver is a pretty good movie
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L587[17:50:15] <Fluburtur> https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/acecombat/images/3/35/Xfa36a1xj4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20071211044937
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L590[17:58:36] <Mathuin> Someone brought up new Hampshire and alcohol stores -- many of them are located on the perimeter of the state, like hundreds of yards from the border.
L591[17:59:27] <Mathuin> Some Massachusetts fraternity kids drove across the border to load up in NH then came back and got busted by the state police. Never heard what happened, but they totally should not have been charged with tax evasion.
L592[18:02:30] <Ezko_> do you know why finns go to estonia
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L594[18:08:50] <Mathuin> TIL Finland and Estonia are across the water from each other but the melody of the Finnish anthem is used for the Estonian anthem too.
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L599[18:15:57] <Ezko_> Mathuin: indeed
L600[18:16:06] <Ezko_> Mathuin: we go there to buy cheap alcohol
L601[18:17:41] <Ezko_> Mathuin: two of the three major languages spoken from the uralic language tree are finnish and estonian
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L603[18:17:54] <Ezko_> last one is hungarian
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L610[18:39:20] <Fluburtur> http://www.museeairespace.fr/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/09/360-cockpit-heinkel-he-162-a-2-spatz.jpg
L611[18:39:22] <Fluburtur> comic sans
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L615[19:04:12] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/b139a2d66e4203b2e541961d9d5f2e4b/tumblr_oy36xijABz1sgw3y7o5_540.jpg
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L617[19:26:07] <HotSpicySausage> Is there a way to name missions upon launch? I have too many ships that have the same name
L618[19:26:13] <HotSpicySausage> because i'm launching the same design
L619[19:26:25] <Fluburtur> rename the ship?
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L621[19:27:46] <HotSpicySausage> but that's an annoying hurdle
L622[19:27:53] <HotSpicySausage> to load the tracking station then the ship?
L623[19:28:07] <Fluburtur> you can do that on launch
L624[19:28:15] <Fluburtur> right click ont he command module and rename
L625[19:29:29] <Eddi|zuHause> you can rename from the tracking station
L626[19:30:13] <Eddi|zuHause> but it could be more obvious ui-wise
L627[19:31:48] <Mathuin> It's definitely doable when the ship is loaded, there's a button on the command module.
L628[19:31:53] <HotSpicySausage> Fluburtur, thanks, didn't know about that
L629[19:31:56] <HotSpicySausage> :D
L630[19:32:02] <Mathuin> There used to be a way from the tracking station, IDK if it's still working.
L631[19:32:49] <HotSpicySausage> there is
L632[19:32:53] <HotSpicySausage> click the 'i' icon
L633[19:32:59] <HotSpicySausage> and double click the name
L634[19:33:05] <HotSpicySausage> but i meant upon launch how to rename
L635[19:33:54] <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like an automatic counter that adds a number each time i launch a new mission with the same saved rocket name
L636[19:36:14] <HotSpicySausage> here are my CKAN mods: https://pastebin.com/EPxRceun
L637[19:36:19] <HotSpicySausage> wrong window
L638[19:36:58] <HotSpicySausage> Eddi|zuHause, there was one called champaign bottle but it discontinued
L639[19:37:29] <HotSpicySausage> https://www.curseforge.com/kerbal/ksp-mods/champagne-bottle
L640[19:42:18] <HotSpicySausage> I use kerbalism and didn't realize how long the trip was going to be to minmus and my kerbals died of thirst on the way back
L641[19:42:24] <HotSpicySausage> How can I calculate how long a trip is to somewhere?
L642[19:43:54] <Eddi|zuHause> launch window calculator?
L643[19:44:35] <Eddi|zuHause> if you're already in orbit, hover over the path to know the time
L644[19:45:58] <Eddi|zuHause> also the dv map in the topic has some typical values
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L647[19:50:58] <HotSpicySausage> ah it's better than the cheat sheet i use
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L649[20:01:39] <HotSpicySausage> is this in kerbin time? https://i.imgur.com/CHVnEeE.png
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L654[20:30:27] <FltAdmVonSpiz> does anyone know how much power a probobodyne OKTO uses when hibernating?
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L665[20:55:34] <dlrkdesktop> Can anyone recommend a mod or anything for shrouding radial-mounted eninges?
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L667[20:58:08] <Mathuin> FltAdmVonSpiz: I thought that was listed in the right-button spam in the VAB for the OKTO
L668[21:00:31] <Mathuin> Yeah, 0.01x
L669[21:00:44] <Mathuin> "Hibernation mode: Resource rates 0.01x"
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L673[21:05:37] <Blaank> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk%27s_midnight_cherry_Tesla_Roadster
L674[21:07:37] <Mathuin> You know you've made it when your *car* has a Wikipedia page.
L675[21:08:05] <Mathuin> I once had a friend make my girlfriend a Wikipedia page for her birthday. The next day it was taken down as her being insufficiently notable, but for one day she was almost as cool as Elon's car.
L676[21:08:34] <tawny> "The sound system on board the car will will play a song called Space Oddity by David Bowie."
L677[21:08:50] <tawny> for real, how many human beings will read that page and not know that Space Oddity is a david bowie song
L678[21:09:01] <Mathuin> The ones born in the 2000s?
L679[21:09:18] <tawny> at most, just write "will play Space Oddity" and hyperlink it
L680[21:09:25] <Mathuin> Whose first introduction was Commander Chris Canadian Astronaut guy
L681[21:09:28] <tawny> or "will play David Bowie's Space Oddity"
L682[21:09:48] <tawny> who really needs to be told that, yes, this is in fact definitely a song
L683[21:10:44] <Mathuin> Might be the DB version versus the CH versio? IDK
L684[21:11:46] <tawny> I guess it's specifically the "a song called" part that I hate
L685[21:12:49] <Mathuin> ... do you have a Wikipedia account? You could totes fix it
L686[21:12:57] <Mathuin> If I weren't wrangling a toddler I'd consider it.
L687[21:14:14] <tawny> mmmmm yeah I guess that is how wikipedia works, isn't it
L688[21:14:22] <tawny> I forget why I stopped editing articles actually
L689[21:14:42] <Mathuin> I think it's the catty back and forth that keeps me out
L690[21:16:10] <tawny> yeah probably
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L699[22:02:41] <FltAdmVonSpiz> also flew to the Mun, am in a 10km parking orbit and about to begin my descent.... decide to check my landing struts
L700[22:02:46] <FltAdmVonSpiz> turns out they are slightly too short
L701[22:02:56] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so dont extend below the bottom of the engine bell by any real distance at all
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L703[22:03:15] <FltAdmVonSpiz> oops
L704[22:21:35] <Mathuin> FltAdmVonSpiz: FWIW that's happened to me too, and it's a characteristic of the engine selection
L705[22:21:43] <Mathuin> They need more stock landing structs that are longer.
L706[22:21:57] <Mathuin> The lander I am flying now using a short engine partly for this reason.
L707[22:22:29] <Mathuin> The Poodle is also efficient in ways that makes my flights actually happen which is the other reason I like it.
L708[22:23:41] <tawny> although in fairness to them
L709[22:23:53] <tawny> I don't think you're meant to land on top of a mainsail or a nerv or w/e
L710[22:24:07] <tawny> but yeah it's kind of infuriating how they're never quiiiite long enough
L711[22:24:28] <FltAdmVonSpiz> maybe I should add cubic octagonal pieces
L712[22:24:31] <FltAdmVonSpiz> around my engine
L713[22:24:45] <tawny> I think that's what I do
L714[22:25:01] <tawny> or I just put a small radially attached fuel tank where I need it
L715[22:25:22] <Mathuin> Does anyone here use the tilted nose cones? If so, how do you control the tilt?
L716[22:25:54] <tawny> I think the nose cone parts are always at fixed angles
L717[22:26:03] <tawny> but you can take a normal one and press 3 and then rotate it to where you want
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L719[22:28:48] <FltAdmVonSpiz> also
L720[22:28:53] <FltAdmVonSpiz> when should I be commencing pitchover these days?
L721[22:29:05] <FltAdmVonSpiz> my traditional burn straight up to 10km and flip 45 degrees don't work very well any more
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L724[22:38:57] <Mathuin> Lots of folks do real gravity turns
L725[22:38:58] <SnoopJeDi> how quickly are you pitching over, FltAdmVonSpiz?
L726[22:39:34] <FltAdmVonSpiz> for the last few days been pitching over starting at about 8km, and aiming to be horizontal at about 25km, but obviously still heading straight up at a rather large rate
L727[22:41:07] <Mathuin> I start pitch over at about 100m
L728[22:41:20] <Mathuin> My goal is 50s to apoapsis
L729[22:42:41] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so I should pitch over a few degrees
L730[22:42:45] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and then just follow the prograde marker?
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L740[23:10:36] <Blaank> It all depends on TWR
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L742[23:10:50] <Blaank> High TWR pitch over sooner and more aggressively.
L743[23:11:05] <Blaank> Low is opposite.
L744[23:11:57] <Blaank> It really comes down to the rocket but generally you start with 1.5 TWR, tip over to 3 degrees instantly then follow prograde. Adjust tip angle based on how badly it goes.
L745[23:12:48] <FltAdmVonSpiz> problem is most of my ascent thrust is solid boosters
L746[23:12:52] <FltAdmVonSpiz> so its hard to coast mid ascent
L747[23:13:20] <Blaank> You want to end up screaming sideways and on fire and nearly falling back to the planet. That's ideal. Minimize gravity losses by going sideways fast. Mechjeb can list dV losses in a custom windows so you can refine an ascent to minimize losses from drag, turning, and gravity.
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L749[23:13:55] <Blaank> Pogo is bad. Falling back to the planet is worse. Run the fine line between orbit and falling back down and you do pretty well.
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L752[23:14:30] <Blaank> You can adjust thrust limiters on SRBs to refine starting TWR
L753[23:14:52] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I mean I exit the atmosphere mid SRB burn
L754[23:15:06] <Blaank> Tip harder
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L757[23:15:36] <Blaank> So either reduce TWR by limiting thrust or tip over harder.
L758[23:17:10] <FltAdmVonSpiz> is there a simple way to check TWR in the VAB?
L759[23:18:01] <tawny> with kerbal engineer, there is
L760[23:18:25] <FltAdmVonSpiz> my first stage is 16 BACC boosters
L761[23:19:21] <FltAdmVonSpiz> 14.9kN per tonne. Which is a TWR of 1.52
L762[23:22:17] <Blaank> dear god that is a lot
L763[23:22:31] <Blaank> get KER and MJ then Mechjeb and KER for all
L764[23:22:58] <FltAdmVonSpiz> Ive been iteratively improving the performance of my craft by adding more strap on boosters
L765[23:23:24] <Mathuin> FltAdmVonSpiz: you will soon be acquainted with the law of diminishing returns
L766[23:23:24] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I have 32 boosters total spread ove three stages
L767[23:23:27] <FltAdmVonSpiz> and two liquid stages
L768[23:23:28] <FltAdmVonSpiz> oh yes
L769[23:23:30] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I already am
L770[23:23:44] <Mathuin> <3 MechJebForAll 1.2.0.0
L771[23:23:50] <Mathuin> Blaank++
L772[23:23:57] <Blaank> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/616170817386352414/FEC435FADF169D5CE68CC666B404B2C51AF12E28/
L773[23:24:00] <FltAdmVonSpiz> its taken me a long time to even get used to using maneuvres
L774[23:24:05] <FltAdmVonSpiz> just as it took me a long time to get used to the map view
L775[23:24:08] <Blaank> It's exactly what it looks like
L776[23:24:27] <Mathuin> That's just ... Kerbal.
L777[23:24:45] <Mathuin> Stage 2 of 14 has 12km/s and can run for 90 min but... dude
L778[23:24:55] <FltAdmVonSpiz> what the hell is that stage?
L779[23:25:11] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I tend to asparagus stage for great justice
L780[23:25:16] <Mathuin> My guess is something nuclear or xenon
L781[23:25:19] <FltAdmVonSpiz> for the strap on boosters
L782[23:25:37] <Mathuin> I never got into asparagus. I try to do it the way I vaguely imagine real folks do it.
L783[23:25:52] <Mathuin> Which is why I'm 100% okay with MJ.
L784[23:25:52] <Blaank> Single NERV with 5 jumbo 64 droptanks.
L785[23:25:59] <Blaank> It's suffering.
L786[23:26:04] <Mathuin> Not enough fuel need more fuel
L787[23:26:20] <Blaank> 0.12 TWR has got to be wrong
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L789[23:27:42] <FltAdmVonSpiz> hey it can still land on Minmus
L790[23:28:59] <Blaank> It's got like 0.02 TWR in practice.
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L793[23:31:53] <ConductingCat> :3
L794[23:44:39] <bees> Blaank: i bet if you add 4 nervs and split it into three stages with 5-3-1 jumbo tanks, it would be atleast 3x better
L795[23:44:49] <Blaank> yeah, did that
L796[23:45:07] <bees> or atleast 5-1
L797[23:46:06] <Blaank> I do 2-2-1 tanks with 0-2-1 engines. 2 engines get discarded and then it's just one jumbo and one engine
L798[23:46:19] <Blaank> It's tolerable. Barely
L799[23:48:00] <FltAdmVonSpiz> I do wonder if I could do something Atlas-y
L800[23:48:04] <FltAdmVonSpiz> but I haen't unlocked fuel ducts yet
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L803[23:51:31] <ConductingCat> I once built a NERV that only dropped empty tanks.
L804[23:52:36] <ConductingCat> Kept all the engines.
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