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L2[00:22:27] <HotSpicySausage> I can't get the Kemini orbital science things to work with contracts and science wise
L3[00:22:40] <HotSpicySausage> I grab the experiment off the PEC and add it to my kerbal's inventory, but it doesn't work
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L5[00:30:31] <Althego> hehe check yo stagin, thanks
L6[00:33:26] <HotSpicySausage> wait let me try something
L7[00:33:35] <HotSpicySausage> Also, does anyone use editor extensions redux?
L8[00:37:53] <HotSpicySausage> also how can i cheat with money by typing it in? I had a bug
L9[00:40:42] <GlassYuri> what's with these games showing up on steam which have japanese audio but chinese text
L10[00:41:43] <Althego> western people not being able to differentiate between moonrunes
L11[00:41:45] <GlassYuri> so they take a japanese game that was sold off steam and localize it into chinese, and then on as separate steam page into english
L12[00:42:39] <GlassYuri> and the english version has an age warning but the chinese doesn't
L13[00:42:56] <Epi> English is typically way way more prude
L14[00:43:28] <GlassYuri> how far does steam actually let you go in adult content now
L15[00:43:56] <GlassYuri> I mean they sell games that are rated AO for violence only such as hatred
L16[00:44:54] <Epi> With mods- all the way afaik. worst i've seen in a game on steam is nude but smooth 'parts'
L17[00:45:10] <Epi> like a ken or barbie doll
L18[00:45:51] <GlassYuri> wait so you actually bought nekopara? w
L19[00:48:08] <Althego> hehe
L20[00:52:10] <Epi> my mates know i'm not into those types of games.. so one giftedme 'DEEP SPACE WAIFU' I lol'd... but i don't want to open the gift -_-
L21[00:52:43] <Althego> lol there is such title
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L24[01:40:49] <Althego> btw in the making history expansion we wil get the missing 2 person capsule
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L30[02:19:09] <ConductorCat> :3
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L33[02:31:40] <HotSpicySausage> Is it possible for me to do something like this? https://imgur.com/a/57IQw
L34[02:31:40] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/CvH62g8.jpg
L35[02:31:44] <HotSpicySausage> I really want to minimize weight
L36[02:32:41] <Judge_Dedd> Sure, why not?
L37[02:33:35] <HotSpicySausage> I mean give me advice
L38[02:33:45] <HotSpicySausage> i need to bring 5 tourists to the mun
L39[02:33:48] <HotSpicySausage> for orbiting
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L42[02:35:17] <Judge_Dedd> Well I don't recognise the modded parts you're using, but assuming you have a probe, power, connection and 5 seats, I see no reason why that shouldn't work.
L43[02:35:41] <Judge_Dedd> Or no probe and 6 seats
L44[02:36:38] <Judge_Dedd> Bear in mind that your choice of engine does not generate electricity
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L46[02:37:39] <Judge_Dedd> Your single parachute will probably not be enough to slow it down on re-entry, though.
L47[02:38:49] <Judge_Dedd> Depending on your method of getting it up there, it might be a little short on fuel.
L48[02:39:29] <Judge_Dedd> The tiny stack decoupler will possibly make it floppy at the joint, but an autostrut will fix that
L49[02:41:05] <Judge_Dedd> Looks like you have some form of life-support mod installed. I can't help on that :)
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L51[02:57:32] <HotSpicySausage> lol
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L55[03:15:55] <sandbox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfaOyqWZ2wk
L56[03:15:55] <kmath> YouTube - Dear EA : Pink is the new Black
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L62[04:18:52] <HotSpicySausage> Do you even need drogue chutes?
L63[04:32:17] <TheKosmonaut> HotSpicySausage: in some cases they’re useful
L64[04:32:26] <TheKosmonaut> Steep entries
L65[04:33:06] <TheKosmonaut> I like to use drogues to ensure good orientation during descent
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L74[04:48:45] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/936781265675599873 Woah
L75[04:48:45] <kmath> <elonmusk> Falcon Heavy to launch next month from Apollo 11 pad at the Cape. Will have double thrust of next largest rocket. G… https://t.co/oaQGB9rzEG
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L78[05:00:34] <Althego> what will be the payload?
L79[05:01:05] <Althego> it is a test flight so probably nothing interesting, but still, could cram some cheap science in there, and if it works, the better
L80[05:01:21] <Althego> next month means january then
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L84[05:07:04] <Tank2333> So no falcon heavy this year?
L85[05:07:07] <HotSpicySausage> Is it normal having to use wings as tailfins to stop rockets from flipping? https://imgur.com/a/JqiK1
L86[05:07:07] <kmath> https://i.imgur.com/61VNPQ2.jpg
L87[05:07:16] <Ezko_> Tank2333: are you surprised
L88[05:07:21] <Tank2333> No
L89[05:07:39] <Tank2333> Dissapointed
L90[05:08:41] <Ezko_> being overambitious
L91[05:08:43] <Ezko_> classic elon
L92[05:09:34] <Tank2333> Well its a few years overdue isnt it?
L93[05:11:48] <Tank2333> Elon is the peter molynuex of space and car industry :)
L94[05:14:11] <HotSpicySausage> great rocket design: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/132478131490521089/386475011776446474/20170721220752_1.jpg
L95[05:14:49] <Ezko_> HotSpicySausage: transitbiker? is it you?
L96[05:14:53] <Ezko_> oh wait under 5 twr can't be
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L98[05:23:09] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/880ef95af40042ce9a5e22a689ac3f07/tumblr_oqvmequdge1rrdzpmo1_540.jpg
L99[05:27:00] <Tank2333> HotSpicySausage...why...
L100[05:28:42] <Tank2333> Fluburtur lol
L101[05:29:44] <Mat2ch> Althego: I bet on a Model X.
L102[05:30:44] <Mat2ch> HotSpicySausage: if you need tailfins you're doing to wrong most of the time ;)
L103[05:31:07] <TheKosmonaut> Tail fins are great on unguided ascents
L104[05:31:24] <Mat2ch> but if you have a lot of boosters it's necessary to get at least some control authority
L105[05:31:40] <Fluburtur> I put tiny fins because they look nice
L106[05:40:05] <KrazyKrl> https://i.imgur.com/W5sNP2W.jpg
L107[05:46:33] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/a1481c24fa06a39cf66a2410f2804921/tumblr_p004vi9QTv1sn75h6o1_540.jpg
L108[05:47:12] <KrazyKrl> https://imgur.com/gallery/qkJjX
L109[05:47:43] <Fluburtur> science
L110[05:48:40] <KrazyKrl> Useful science.
L111[05:49:17] <technicalfool> Fennecs. Because darnit, foxes just ain't cute enough.
L112[05:49:52] <Althego> hehe small fox
L113[05:49:58] <Althego> fennec or what is it
L114[05:50:17] <technicalfool> Looks pretty distinctively like a fennec fox.
L115[05:50:46] <technicalfool> unless someone stuck big ears on a chihuahua.
L116[05:51:13] <Tank2333> Im only can see ears
L117[05:51:18] <Tank2333> Attatched to something woth fur
L118[05:51:18] <Tank2333> Woth
L119[05:51:19] <Tank2333> With
L120[05:53:13] <Fluburtur> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372444178510249998/386484931553132544/DSC_7292.JPG
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L126[06:12:45] <GlassYuri> so I cut my fingernails too short and can't disassemble things anymore
L127[06:13:25] <Fluburtur> yeah that's a real problem
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L133[06:34:18] * APlayer finally has some time to play KSP
L134[06:34:42] <APlayer> Looks like I will spend it remembering where I left off, though :P
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L141[07:20:41] <ve2dmn> For here, Am I sitting in a tin can, Far above the world, Planet Kerb is blue, And there's nothing I can do
L142[07:22:14] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Something-something PID loops and landing a Falcon 9 style booster back on the launch pad
L143[07:23:21] <APlayer> Also, I remember PID loops suck when you have to tune them
L144[07:24:42] <APlayer> SO I just reorganized the code and currently digging through all the exceptions you get when you first run a code after a ton of changes
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L146[07:31:30] <APlayer> Also, I may have unknowingly created some sort of PD loop. Actually, come to think of it, I could consciously expand it to a PID loop.
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L148[07:35:15] <Mat2ch> Althego: Uh... a German newsportal says it's going to be a Tesla Roadster...
L149[07:35:26] <Althego> what
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L151[07:35:32] <ve2dmn> :D
L152[07:35:41] <Althego> the falcon heavy?
L153[07:35:52] <Mat2ch> yeah
L154[07:36:07] <Fluburtur> electric rocket when
L155[07:36:16] <Mat2ch> and it's going to Mars.
L156[07:36:59] <Mat2ch> I don't know where they go the information from
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L159[07:37:48] <Mat2ch> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/936782477502246912
L160[07:37:48] <kmath> <elonmusk> Payload will be my midnight cherry Tesla Roadster playing Space Oddity. Destination is Mars orbit. Will be in deep… https://t.co/clunBATxJr
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L162[07:38:33] <Mat2ch> One day we will be able to fly to Mars in a few minutes and on the way we'll be able to visit his Roadster...
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L164[07:41:30] <APlayer> Uh-oh, Elon is really going serious with his electric cars
L165[07:42:34] <ve2dmn> Phil plait has the real questions: https://twitter.com/BadAstronomer/status/936810025208635392
L166[07:42:34] <kmath> <BadAstronomer> @elonmusk @JC_Channel More important: Bowie or Hadfield?
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L168[07:48:22] <GlassYuri> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DP9PMs3U8AAEyla.jpg:large
L169[07:50:34] <ve2dmn> GlassYuri: I see that Carnegie Mellon is asking the real questions
L170[07:50:35] <Mat2ch> That's a joke, isn't it?
L171[07:52:37] <GlassYuri> Mat2ch, the only joke is that you could interpret it as china developing a superweapon capable of destroying japan
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L173[07:59:16] <Blaank> So is Elon really going to send a Tesla Roadster up on the Falcon Heavy and launch that sucker past Mars?
L174[08:04:11] <Althego> lol really a testla, that is funny
L175[08:08:13] <Blaank> I saw a tweet. No idea if that madman actually said that or it was faked.
L176[08:08:21] <Blaank> It was a screenshot of it with no link to it.
L177[08:08:56] <Althego> would be nice if it could land
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L179[08:09:10] <Blaank> Tesla roadster is under 2 tons (assumption). With 68 tons to LEO on a Falcon Heavy that's 66 tons of delivery vehicle. Can you get to Mars with a 2 ton payload and 66 tons of spaceship?
L180[08:09:11] <Althego> because on the surface of mars it could stay intact for longer than a million years
L181[08:09:30] <Blaank> I really doubt he has the capability to get it there, then land it.
L182[08:09:36] <Althego> without life support and things like that, it is light
L183[08:09:48] <Althego> yes, landing on mars is really hard
L184[08:10:02] <Blaank> 2 tons of payload, 66 tons of rocket in LEO. No idea what kind of dV you can get out of that.
L185[08:11:38] <APlayer> When "Deploy the airbags, we are landing" acquires an entirely unexpected meaning
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L188[08:13:24] <Althego> what is the propulsion on the upper stage?
L189[08:14:02] <lordcirth> The 1D Merlin 348 Isp
L190[08:14:08] <lordcirth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_Heavy
L191[08:14:10] <Althego> that is not very good
L192[08:14:12] <Blaank> But what does it run on?
L193[08:14:20] <Blaank> Liquid oxygen is going to boil off, right?
L194[08:14:26] <lordcirth> LOX/RP-1
L195[08:14:30] <lordcirth> Methane comes later
L196[08:15:04] <Blaank> I'm not sure if it would make a 6 month trip.
L197[08:15:19] <Blaank> Maybe 4 months if you floored it?
L198[08:15:22] <APlayer> Nobody talking about the potential dangers of exposing an electric vehicle that was not rated for it to a vacuum?
L199[08:15:23] <Althego> but say the final stage is 10 tonnes, even then it will have enough delta v... probably. 6442
L200[08:15:39] <Blaank> The roadster is not going to survive long. That's a given.
L201[08:16:02] <APlayer> Braking fluid containers or the battery exploding and things?
L202[08:16:03] <Blaank> 68 tons to LEO is the Falcon Heavy's payload.
L203[08:16:14] <Blaank> Battery is probably going to rupture.
L204[08:16:35] <Blaank> But did he actually say this or was it a fake tweet?
L205[08:17:02] <Blaank> sorry, 63 tons
L206[08:17:06] <Althego> still on his twitter
L207[08:17:07] <Blaank> Don't know where I got 68
L208[08:17:17] <Blaank> Ok, it's real. He's crazier than I thought.
L209[08:17:26] <Althego> hehe
L210[08:17:29] <Althego> he is ironman :)
L211[08:17:53] <Blaank> 16,800 kg to mars
L212[08:18:03] <Blaank> It can totally make it without any further staging.
L213[08:18:15] <Blaank> Now is that mars intercept or mars orbit I don't know.
L214[08:19:06] <Blaank> Either way it's totally capable of cratering a Tesla Roadster into Mars.
L215[08:19:26] <Blaank> And I wouldn't be surprised if you could make a landing vehicle for 14 tons.
L216[08:19:47] <Althego> but sdays mrs orbit
L217[08:19:48] <Blaank> But 2 ton payload is a lot to ask.
L218[08:19:52] <Althego> is that orbit around mars?
L219[08:20:17] <Blaank> They say orbit but then say something could be up there for a long time which means it wouldn't be in an unstable orbit.
L220[08:20:39] <Althego> the moons of mars seem to be quite stable
L221[08:20:40] <Blaank> You'd have to go past Mars to remain in space for 1.5 whatever illion years.
L222[08:21:00] <Blaank> They also don't move as much as a spacecraft.
L223[08:21:27] <Blaank> don't get moved as much.
L224[08:21:57] <Blaank> I saw the track of some poor thing orbiting Mercury getting tugged around till it ran out of fuel and crashed.
L225[08:22:31] <Blaank> It was fighting to stay in orbit every step of the way.
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L227[08:25:24] <Blaank> January, 2018[70] Falcon Heavy Demo SpaceX Elon Musk's midnight cherry Tesla Roadster.
L228[08:25:42] <Blaank> He's doing it
L229[08:28:24] <Blaank> Can anyone pin down a better launch window than January 2018?
L230[08:28:29] <Blaank> I want to go watch this.
L231[08:38:46] <Fluburtur> Althego Mat2ch check out the tutorial I made https://youtu.be/DJSBELEAb0E
L232[08:38:46] <kmath> YouTube - How to dispose of an RC airplane
L233[08:40:58] <Althego> lol
L234[08:41:21] <Althego> this releases carbon dioxide to the atmosphere
L235[08:41:53] <Fluburtur> would probably get burned anyways if I put it in the trash
L236[08:42:00] <Fluburtur> and I needed to get rid of it
L237[08:42:29] <Blaank> Anyone been to pad 39A at KSC and want to give me a good place to see it from?
L238[08:42:48] <Blaank> I know nothing of watching rocket launches.
L239[08:42:55] <Blaank> Falcon Heavy is going to be my first.
L240[08:47:14] <Mat2ch> Blaank: go to twitter, read Musks tweet...
L241[08:47:19] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: brütal! :D
L242[08:47:29] <Blaank> which tweet
L243[08:47:38] <Mat2ch> The last few he posted
L244[08:47:53] <Fluburtur> I wish I could let it burn completely but it was making some nasty smoke and we are not supposed to burn stuff in our garden
L245[08:48:00] <Fluburtur> but only the tail and a wingtip survived
L246[08:48:05] <Mat2ch> or scroll a bit up, I pasted the link here
L247[08:48:21] <Blaank> Which one am I looking for?
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L249[08:48:23] <Mat2ch> Fluburtur: make it from cardboard. And let it explode :D
L250[08:48:50] <Fluburtur> eh this one was cardboard
L251[08:49:06] <Fluburtur> I need to make a new messerschmitt so I might burn my old one too
L252[08:49:21] <Fluburtur> but only the nose is ded
L253[08:49:23] <Blaank> I know about the roadster.
L254[08:49:28] <Blaank> I need to know when the launch is.
L255[08:49:33] <APlayer> Donate it to SpaceX and ask them to put it into the Tesla they are launching
L256[08:49:38] <Blaank> January is pretty vague.
L257[08:49:51] <APlayer> @Fluburtur
L258[08:50:09] <Mat2ch> Well, I guess they'll aim for early January, but will postpone it if necessary.
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L260[08:50:21] <Mat2ch> Launch window to mars should be open for a few days
L261[08:50:29] <APlayer> Blaank: Given that they are aiming for Mars, I believe you can pin it down
L262[08:50:34] <APlayer> As Mat2ch said it
L263[08:50:34] <Fluburtur> APlayer eh a bit too far away
L264[08:50:51] <Mat2ch> The launch window for interplanetary launches is sometimes weeks long
L265[08:50:57] <Blaank> So I just book a hotel for all of january?
L266[08:51:10] <Mat2ch> Better get a camper. :D
L267[08:51:33] <Blaank> Ugh, the good hotels are going to be expensive and booked, aren't they?
L268[08:51:58] <Blaank> I'm gonna be stuck in an econolodge 40km away.
L269[08:52:01] <Fluburtur> well now I have to clean burned plane remains from my backyard
L270[08:53:30] <APlayer> Just burn the garden and buy a new one
L271[08:55:25] <Fluburtur> eh
L272[08:55:27] <Fluburtur> maybe
L273[09:11:56] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank: Asking when the FH launch is is like asking when HL2 E3 will release
L274[09:12:28] <Blaank> ARe they going to give at least 3 days early warning or just launch it in the middle of the night without telling anyone?
L275[09:13:12] <GlassYuri> TheKosmonaut, funnily musk has himself said that even he can't make hl3 a reality
L276[09:13:36] <TheKosmonaut> Blaank: Well it's not like they can just throw it up on the pad and launch it that fast
L277[09:13:55] <Blaank> But are they going to keep a blanket over it and yell surprise as it launches?
L278[09:13:59] <TheKosmonaut> GlassYuri: He doesn't have the money to pay off GabeN and his pools of hat money
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L282[09:39:59] <Blaank> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBIaM-nBeI
L283[09:39:59] <kmath> YouTube - Check.... Check.. Check.
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L295[10:56:19] <Althego> check yo stagin
L296[10:56:39] <Blaank> I kinda want that shirt
L297[10:57:06] <Alanonzander> testiment to our early engineers: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2017-310
L298[10:57:24] <Althego> it is almost never that my tshirt is visible, so it is pointless to buy something that has any picture on it
L299[10:57:31] <Althego> maybe if it would play this music
L300[10:57:37] <Althego> lot better
L301[10:57:42] <Althego> and 100 times more annoying
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L315[11:46:58] <Althego> https://youtu.be/BGbNb9R_ioE?t=300
L316[11:46:58] <kmath> YouTube - South Pole Flights - Range maps and a chat with R2
L317[11:47:06] <Althego> hehe r2
L318[11:54:35] <APlayer> Isn't there a lot of things weird with having such short thruster pulses? How does it even initiate combustion, with so little fuel in the thruster?
L319[11:55:03] <Althego> hypergolic?
L320[11:55:56] <Mathuin> Yeah, there's no spark, the two compounds combust on contact
L321[11:57:47] <APlayer> Yes, but still. You have to open both valves at exactky the same time, make sure the fuels mix properly and so on
L322[11:58:16] <Mathuin> I would not be surprised to hear that they had big valves and little valves and that small amounts of thrust used little valves
L323[11:58:26] <Mathuin> As for mix properly, combustion chambers are designed to do that I would think.
L324[11:58:46] <Mathuin> I wonder if there's an ELI5 on this in AskReddit or Space
L325[11:59:21] <APlayer> They were used as long duration thrusters, and now we used them for 10 ms. I think the process is very different
L326[11:59:54] <APlayer> Because what would usually stabilize within the first half of a second has to be stable from the first instant now
L327[12:00:25] <Althego> actually it doesnt need to be stable since it will stop a few ms later
L328[12:01:35] <APlayer> Humm
L329[12:04:21] <APlayer> And what about the purely mechanical challenge of opening and closing the valve so quickly?
L330[12:04:33] <Althego> i would have a single valve
L331[12:04:35] <Althego> with 2 holes
L332[12:04:47] <Althego> so it automatically opens at the same times
L333[12:05:38] <APlayer> No idea if this is the case with Voyagers, I could imagine it has benefits to have the holes at opposite sites of the combustion chamber to mix the fuel better
L334[12:06:22] <APlayer> But anyway it has to open and immediately shut, and again, it was not initially designed for this
L335[12:12:20] <APlayer> @kOS savvy people - how is the order of parts returned by SHIP:PARTSTAGGEDPATTERN() defined? There is no obvious hierachy, all the parts with that tag are radially attached with symmetry, and I can't figure out in what order they are, or how to influence it
L336[12:14:50] <APlayer> I need it to shut down engine pairs (as opposed to single engines). I tagged half of them symm1 and the other half symm2, and shut down the first of each of them that is not already off. But it does not shut down in pairs
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L338[12:45:33] <Althego> and here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ACGzbu8LbA
L339[12:45:33] <kmath> YouTube - The World Fastest Tesla - Launching On Falcon Heavy
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L342[12:54:01] <APlayer> That one comment is gold... "Russel's Tesla"
L343[12:55:05] <Althego> this guy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz_-A6TSP_0
L344[12:55:05] <kmath> YouTube - SSTO to Duna AND Mun without refuelling (KSP Reddit Challenge)
L345[12:56:08] <Althego> i was looking at hazardish the same way. but since he cheated...
L346[12:56:27] <Althego> matt makes the impossible mission by lot of gravity assists which i am not good at
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L350[13:08:46] <APlayer> Cats: https://imgur.com/t/science_and_tech/qkJjX
L351[13:10:26] <ehs> Hey, does anyone here use the Draggable Navball/Altimeter mods on 1.3.1? I've been asked to update it for that version, but I haven't played in a while. I may not have time to update KSP and test/debug for a bit. If I can get a few user reports that it works, I won't have to wait, I can just change spacedock/ckan now.
L352[13:10:55] <Althego> navball is moveabale already in stock i think
L353[13:11:34] <ehs> It's movable with a conf setting, but it's not movable in game. Or at least it wasn't when I made the mod a few versions back.
L354[13:12:02] <Althego> and i can never understood the decision to have the altimeter on top, far away from the navball. havent these people heard of huds? it puts all the important information in a single display
L355[13:29:11] <Alanonzander> ehs, it is movable on the fly in game now too
L356[13:29:59] <ehs> Huh. I'll have to get a stock setup and see how it works. Maybe it's time to retire the mod. What about the altimeter?
L357[13:30:11] <Althego> that stays where it is
L358[13:30:22] <Althego> as i said, strange decision
L359[13:30:29] <Althego> i would have put it on top of the navball
L360[13:30:52] <Althego> with switchable between pressure and radar altitude
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L362[13:39:19] <ehs> Althego: Any idea when it became draggable in stock? I don't see any reference in the patch notes for the last several versions. The last relevant thing is the navball position slider added in 1.1.1, but I think that's an options-menu item.
L363[13:39:43] <Althego> i never tried to move it
L364[13:39:50] <Althego> but probably 1.2 then
L365[13:39:55] <Althego> maybe 1.3
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L367[13:47:08] <Althego> it seems there is a slider that can move the navball left and right in the settings
L368[13:47:16] <Althego> you cant put it anywhere
L369[13:47:29] <Althego> it stays at the bottom
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L372[13:49:49] <Mathuin> ehs: fwiw I never thought of the in-game screens as being heads-up display, though if I were to use a kerbal's-eye-view mod that would be a great feature.
L373[13:50:09] <Althego> it is needed for your piloting
L374[13:50:17] <Althego> why make you glance up and down?
L375[13:50:34] <Althego> for me that is a great distance
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L377[13:50:53] <Althego> maybe half the range of my eye movement
L378[13:50:59] <Mathuin> Huh, I see it at the same time as I see everything else -- how close are you sitting to your display? ;-)
L379[13:51:11] <Althego> or rather how big it is
L380[13:51:32] <Althego> but even on small screens it is pointlessly far away
L381[13:51:40] <Althego> it just hinders and doesnt help
L382[13:51:43] <Althego> bad design
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L385[13:51:47] <Mathuin> My gross piloting skills use instruments, my fine piloting skills use "feel"/the-big-screen, so I haven't been significantly hindered.
L386[13:51:57] <Mathuin> I can see how it might bug you though, totally.
L387[13:52:06] <Althego> it is the instrument
L388[13:52:24] <Althego> also put the radar altimeter in stock
L389[13:52:30] <Althego> extremely important for landing
L390[13:52:38] <Althego> and you have to switch to cokcpit view
L391[13:52:49] <Althego> why?
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L396[13:55:44] <ehs> Althego: Thanks for clarifying. If the settings slider is all there is, I still see a need for the mod. I don't want to have to pull up the options every time I shift the navball around.
L397[13:56:36] <ehs> Re: Radar altimeter, not having it by default does have one benefit. Crashes are often hilarious.
L398[13:57:12] <Althego> those are typically not because of that
L399[13:57:48] <Althego> for example hitting tylo with a low twr craft at 300 m/s
L400[13:58:21] <ehs> Actually, I wonder if it's similar to the rationale for things like not showing staging in map mode.
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L403[13:58:59] <ehs> Where IIRC that and other things aren't possible because if they were there would be too much incentive to just always stay in map mode and miss everything interesting.
L404[13:59:29] <Althego> it took forever to make the navball not disappear in map mode
L405[13:59:29] <ehs> So maybe radar altimiter only in IVA is there to provide an incentive to actually use IVA.
L406[13:59:34] <Althego> i hated tht
L407[13:59:43] <Althego> you need the trajectory to fly it
L408[13:59:43] <ehs> (disclaimer: Talking out my ass there.)
L409[13:59:50] <Althego> and every time the navball disappeared
L410[14:01:23] <ehs> Mathuin: I think there is a kerbal's eye view mod, actually.
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L412[14:01:36] <Althego> kerbal fps :)
L413[14:04:48] <Mathuin> ehs: the closest I came to that was using a mod that forced me to work in IVA all the time.
L414[14:05:06] <Mathuin> I really liked it until I realized the limitations in (then-current) RPM interfaces.
L415[14:05:16] <Mathuin> There was also a super-cool "probe control room" mod for unmanned probes.
L416[14:07:32] <SnoopJeDi> elon musk wat r u doin
L417[14:07:50] <Mathuin> Perhaps the second mission will bring it home
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L425[14:57:13] <Fluburtur> I found this video again https://youtu.be/81UjjSH2iFw?t=18
L426[14:57:13] <kmath> YouTube - WFL M60 MillTurn Complete Crankshaft Machining - MARTECH Machinery, NJ - USA
L427[14:59:38] <Althego> hehe
L428[14:59:51] <Althego> leet+1 minutes long :)
L429[15:03:00] <Althego> i found this one again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsWgrf3XLKQ
L430[15:03:00] <kmath> YouTube - There she is! Complete versione in Full HD!
L431[15:03:11] <Althego> was originally a multi part series in flash
L432[15:03:24] <Althego> i still have the flash versions, but i cant play them anymore
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L435[15:04:31] <Supernovy> Evening, Gentlemen.
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L441[15:29:19] <SnoopJeDi> hi Supernovy
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L446[15:54:16] <Scolar_Visari> Sons and daughters of Kerbin: Remember to check those airlock seals before going into space!
L447[15:55:22] <Scolar_Visari> Mission: A Tesla Roadster is placed on the first Falcon Heavy. Outcome: The car batteries catch on fire and the rocket is detonated on the pad. http://spacenews.com/musk-says-tesla-car-will-fly-on-first-falcon-heavy-launch/
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L452[15:57:15] <Scolar_Visari> Obviously a Ford Pinto should've been selected to better indicate the LV's safety.
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L456[16:10:13] <Mathuin> I still think he should do a flyby and land the car back on Earth
L457[16:10:20] <Mathuin> Then loan it to the Smithsonian
L458[16:10:45] <Scolar_Visari> I think the plan is to chuck it into a Mars transfer orbit.
L459[16:11:37] <Scolar_Visari> That would make recovery problematic.
L460[16:12:39] <Mathuin> A free return trajectory with recovery would be more impressive IMO.
L461[16:16:22] <Scolar_Visari> It'd have to have some impressive protection and/or possibly double dip reentry.
L462[16:16:34] <Scolar_Visari> Oh yeah: And stuff to make it a spaceship rather than a car.
L463[16:16:58] <UmbralRaptor> Quick, steal a commsat.
L464[16:19:19] <Scolar_Visari> UmbralRaptor: So maybe one of SpaceX's earlier launch failures was simply a cover up so they could steal the parts?
L465[16:20:03] <UmbralRaptor> AMOS-7 was a
L466[16:20:34] <UmbralRaptor> er
L467[16:20:56] <UmbralRaptor> Amos-6 was never in the payload fairing!
L468[16:21:32] <Scolar_Visari> Clearly Musk is actually a supervillain
L469[16:22:44] <iamfishhead1> A James Bond supervillian.
L470[16:22:47] <iamfishhead1> Didn't he joke about building a mountain fortress this one time?
L471[16:23:17] <Alanonzander> if all goes well, would it be a variation of pumpkin chucking ?
L472[16:24:14] <Scolar_Visari> iamfishhead: My working theory is that Bezos, despite looking like Lex Luthor, is actually a member of the Leage of Good fighting Musk and his Council of Evil.
L473[16:29:45] <Scolar_Visari> Still more plausible than Justice Leage.
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L475[16:31:19] <iamfishhead1> if only
L476[16:32:26] <iamfishhead1> Actually, my friend just started work at Tesla. I could ask him to confirm that with Musk ;)
L477[16:33:19] <iamfishhead1> He'd probably get a "Who are you and what are you talking about?"
L478[16:33:33] <iamfishhead1> WHICH IS WHAT HE WOULD SAY IF HE WERE ON THE COUNCIL OF EVIL
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L480[16:37:37] <Scolar_Visari> Clearly you should capture them for interrogation.
L481[16:37:49] * Scolar_Visari prepares the soft pillows and comfortable chair.
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L487[17:06:27] <Rolf> if she floats shes a witch! "what if she sinks and drowns?" it's good because it means shes a witch!"
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L490[17:14:54] <sandbox> they all float down here
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L505[18:49:18] <Warrigal_> All right, I've got an autopilot program I wrote back before kOS had its GUI capabilities...
L506[18:49:33] <Warrigal_> I think I'm gonna add GUI functionality to it.
L507[18:53:08] <Mathuin> Does kOS have an RPM interface?
L508[18:56:57] <Warrigal_> I don't know, what's an RPM interface?
L509[19:05:53] <TheKosmonaut> Rasterprop motor
L510[19:06:09] <TheKosmonaut> Adds functional MFDs to IVA
L511[19:10:53] <Warrigal_> Good question. I don't know.
L512[19:11:57] <Warrigal_> All right, I'm making progress on that GUI... https://i.imgur.com/UgnWUJG.jpg
L513[19:12:36] <Warrigal_> I have a little box that says "AILE RON ELE VAT OR PITC H THR OTT LE".
L514[19:20:09] <Fluburtur> https://78.media.tumblr.com/aa5d773429b3fa1d78f3f90381265af9/tumblr_ovf8m3RsNl1v42ugpo1_540.jpg
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L516[19:21:26] <UmbralRaptor> Today in weird planets: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/wasp-18b-has-smothering-stratosphere-without-water
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L520[19:52:58] <Rolf> whoa
L521[19:53:09] <Rolf> NASA just used voyager main thruster
L522[19:53:13] <Rolf> after 37 years
L523[19:53:16] <Rolf> and it worked
L524[19:53:22] <Rolf> https://www.geekwire.com/2017/nasa-turns-voyagers-dormant-thrusters-first-time-37-years-work/
L525[19:53:53] <TheKosmonaut> Ever notice how clickbait titles love to use “just” even though it’s been a while now
L526[19:54:08] <TheKosmonaut> I guess geek wire didn’t. But a different outlet did
L527[19:54:21] <Rolf> ah ok lol
L528[19:54:34] <TheKosmonaut> But it’s pretty cool
L529[19:54:40] <TheKosmonaut> That’s a long 20hours
L530[19:56:13] <Rolf> apparently it's because attitude control trrusters is getting degraded
L531[19:56:37] <Rolf> they are trying to extend mission another 2 to 3 years. :( so pretty soon it will stop working
L532[19:57:55] <Mathuin> It'll run out of juice before it runs out of thrusters.
L533[20:04:10] <Rolf> big moon tomorrow apparebtly
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L540[20:51:16] <Warrigal_> Note to self: before attempting launch, check whether or not controls are working.
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L544[20:59:05] <Rolf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAvNgRAAVig
L545[20:59:06] <kmath> YouTube - KSP - Kraken Tower
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L551[21:32:48] <Warrigal_> Holy swear word, a surface sample from Minmus is worth 150 science?
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L554[21:42:25] <tawny> yeah it's a lot
L555[21:42:37] <tawny> I did one minmus landing and return and got ~8500 science from it
L556[21:42:45] <tawny> that was with visits to every biome
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L558[21:43:28] <tawny> the game's pretty generous with science so that you can turn it into money in career mode and also not take ten million flights to do anything on hard difficulties
L559[21:43:57] <Warrigal_> I have enough science to get any Tier 7 technology. \o/
L560[21:44:27] <Warrigal_> Except for Nuclear Propulsion.
L561[21:45:24] <Warrigal_> What I'm really looking forward to, though, is Advanced Science Tech, which is Tier 8.
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L563[21:47:50] <Warrigal_> Lemme just get Advanced Construction (T5), Specialized Construction (T6), and Actuators (T6).
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L568[22:00:46] <Mathuin> tawny: I've got science->money but admin won't let me do rep->money :-(
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L573[22:12:46] <Warrigal_> It just now occurs to me to wonder...
L574[22:13:00] <Warrigal_> Why would I ever use one of the larger versions of the Clamp-O-Tron instead of just using the Junior for everything?
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L578[22:42:08] <Rokker> Supernovy: o/
L579[22:42:15] <Supernovy> yo
L580[22:42:42] <Rokker> Supernovy: PM
L581[22:59:23] <tawny> Warrigal_, the bigger ones seem to have a sturdier connection, and also aesthetic value
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L585[23:17:52] <Warrigal_> So I'd like to use KER to plan my Minmus launch so that I do it right when Minmus is at the same latitude as the Space Center.
L586[23:18:29] <Warrigal_> Which, conveniently, is very close to the equator.
L587[23:20:24] <Warrigal_> Do I want to pay attention to... the intercept angle?
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L591[23:52:47] <Blaank> Oh man. SarcasticRover responded to Elon.
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L593[23:57:40] <tawny> so... with the falcon heavy
L594[23:57:56] <tawny> are they going to land all three parts of the first stage on barges
L595[23:58:06] <tawny> do they do them at separate locations or
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