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L1[00:02:44] <Neal> I have run into an
unexpected problem
L2[00:02:58] <Neal> my lander is so heavy it
just sank into the ocean...
L3[00:03:26] <Neal> now sinking at around 15
m/s
L4[00:04:41] <tawny-> that's quite a
problem
L5[00:05:15] <Neal> now sitting on the
seafloor at -1014 meters depth =|
L6[00:05:46] <Neal> ...and getting direct
sun on the solar panels somehow..!
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L9[00:15:03] <Althego> lol
L10[00:15:41] <Althego> even a full eve
ascent vehicle is unable to sink, what did you put on that
L11[00:17:36] <Gasher[work]> Neal,
screenshots please? just for the glory of that
L13[00:22:02] <Neal> Althego:
L14[00:22:21] <Althego> tiny
L15[00:22:35] <Althego> the monoprop tanks
may be really dense
L16[00:23:25] <Neal> runs on depleted
uranium
L17[00:23:37] <Neal> monoprop tank was
mostly empty too
L18[00:23:45] <Althego> strange
L19[00:23:52] <Althego> then it should
float
L20[00:38:38] <Althego> or maybe even
double :
L21[00:38:40] <Althego> )
L22[00:42:10] <Neal> it only INTed =(
L23[00:43:54] <Neal> somehow 3 toroidal
tanks were enough to get me from LKO to landed on the muns
surface
L24[00:44:09] <Neal> only have 6 fuel units
to spare
L26[00:50:03] <kmath> YouTube - Suicide
Space Robots | Space Time
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L42[03:23:28] <daey> i am running kerbal on
linux. im having an issue with the planet textures. basically my
planet surface is fractured in big squares of surface texture.
these squares float around freely above the actual surface with
gaps in between :')
L43[03:24:42] <daey> during the launch
everything looks fine btw. but not when i come back down
L44[03:38:06] <Althego> dont you run some
mod? scott had an issue like that while having some mods?
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L46[03:49:30] <daey> Althego: i am using
the mechjeb plugin, nothing else
L47[03:51:17] <Althego> that probably
shouldnt do it
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L52[04:22:14] <GlassYuri> so today I
accidentally went to kawasaki
L53[04:22:33] <GlassYuri> and found a
factory that didn't have a do not enter sign at the entrance
L54[04:22:43] <GlassYuri> like, I searched
for it, couldn't find anything
L55[04:23:01] <GlassYuri> so I just walked
around the area photographing everything
L56[04:23:19] <Althego> hehe
L57[04:23:36] <Althego> is it still
producing stuff?
L58[04:24:09] <GlassYuri> it was a public
holiday
L59[04:25:02] <GlassYuri> there didn't seem
to be much going on but the parking lot was in use and there were
some cars coming in and out
L60[04:27:20] <GlassYuri> also the
individual buildings and outside storage tanks all had authorized
persons only on them
L61[04:27:27] <TheKosmonaut> GlassYuri: How
did you "accidentally" go to Kawasaki
L62[04:27:39] <Althego> got on a wrong
train?
L63[04:27:57] <GlassYuri> TheKosmonaut, I
was randomly riding around in the jr east network and decided to
try the nanbu branch line
L64[04:28:54] <TheKosmonaut> Althego: It's
not exactly inside the main tokyo area which is wy I asked
lol
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L66[04:30:21] <TheKosmonaut> It'd be like
"I accidentally went to New Jersey" but you're in
downtown NYC
L67[04:30:38] <GlassYuri> I can't really
recommend it to tourists though, you might literally walk past a
sign saying "special anti terror measures in place" with
no english translation
L68[04:31:19] <TheKosmonaut> GlassYuri:
Hmm, they'd probably have shot you if it's closer to
Christmas
L69[04:31:23] <TheKosmonaut> THat's when
the germans attack
L70[04:31:45] <TheKosmonaut> Just make sure
there are no barefoot cops around
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L72[04:32:00] <GlassYuri> TheKosmonaut,
special anti terror measures seems to mean that the guardhouse at
the gate is staffed
L73[04:32:24] <TheKosmonaut> So the
camouflage worked perfectly!
L74[04:32:57] <tawny> reading the words
"special anti terror measures in place" would have the
exact opposite effect on my emotional state tbh
L75[04:33:23] <tawny> maybe it's some sort
of equivalent exchange thing? The more terror I feel, the less
terror they feel
L76[04:36:06] *
TheKosmonaut breaks down door
L77[04:36:13] <TheKosmonaut> ANTI TERROR
SQUAD EVERYONE TAKE A TEDDY BEAR
L78[04:36:25] <JCB> special huh? here I was
thinking something like land mines
L79[04:40:12] <daey> GlassYuri: is there
even any terror thread in japan atm?
L80[04:40:16] <daey> threat*
L81[04:40:21] <TheKosmonaut> daey: Not
really
L82[04:40:27] <TheKosmonaut> But it's
always like that
L83[04:40:35] <TheKosmonaut> The rail
system is always "on heightened alert"
L85[04:40:51] <TheKosmonaut> That said, the
POTUS was in town a few weeks ago
L86[04:41:38] <daey> yeah ive heard about
it
L87[04:43:33] <daey> 日本に住んでいるか
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L89[04:45:46] <TheKosmonaut> yes
L90[04:48:49] <daey> neat
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L96[05:18:58] <kmath> <irwin> I’ve
seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Gopher, Netscape with
frames, the first Browser Wars. Searching for p…
https://t.co/dBEnF36k7U
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L104[06:09:48] <Rolf> lol
L106[06:11:33] <Althego> there was one
that i wrote for over a day, starting in my head, and only editing
for several hours after i typed it in, it turned out to be more
than 20K
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L115[07:18:03] <Gasher[work]> hm, so you
can't put kerbals on the command seat via launch options?
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L132[08:44:32] <TheKosmonaut>
Gasher[work]: there’s a mod for that ™
L133[08:47:33] <ve2dmn> We need a bot that
searches for me and quote this sentence before the search
L134[08:47:50] <Althego> hehehe
L135[08:48:16] <ve2dmn> -me +mod
L136[08:48:20] <ve2dmn> stupid brain
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L146[09:18:12] <Draconiator> KSP is
joining the Net Neutrality push, awesomeeeeee
L147[09:19:08] <Draconiator> What the hell
are those pleeeeeebs thinking anyway...:/
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L149[09:19:28] <Althego> this can quickly
go to politics
L150[09:20:46] <ve2dmn> Draconiator:
link?
L151[09:21:22] <Althego> lol i found some
good stuff on ksp twitter
L153[09:21:43] <kmath>
<Million_Lights_> Random conversation Today: X: What have you
been up to today? Me: Nothing useful. X: Nothing huh? Show me what
you'…
https://t.co/ZgiEwWhmII
L155[09:23:08] <kmath> <DjPreside>
Hullo! Scott Kerman here! I kerbalized Scott Manley, the man that
taught the world how to play @KerbalSpaceP with h…
https://t.co/tDWC7gfE8E
L156[09:23:19] <Althego> scott and skye
kerman!
L157[09:24:57] <ve2dmn> I like the
"H.u.l.l.o." shirt on that pic
L158[09:26:30] <ve2dmn> What do you think
it's an acronym for?
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L160[09:28:27] <ve2dmn> wow... I search
for 'Hullo acronym' on google and saw so really weird
auto-generataed astrological website for the 'deeper meaning' of
Hullo
L161[09:30:28] <ve2dmn> wait... no it's
numerology
L162[09:30:47] <Althego> same useless
thing
L163[09:31:48] <ve2dmn> I'm trying to
understand the how they got a 'Life path 5' of 'emmencipation' out
of just 5 letters...
L164[09:32:16] <Althego> how do people
come up with anything?
L166[09:34:29] <technicalfool>
*coff*
L167[09:34:55] <Althego> coff is a
deprecated executable format
L168[09:35:05] <Althego> we use elf32
instead
L169[09:35:52] <ve2dmn> technicalfool: I
understand the deeper meaning of the *Coff*. I must distance myself
for the *coff*
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L171[09:36:01] <Althego> hehe
L172[09:37:00] <ve2dmn> "We
self-actualize, we dream, we are reborn. Presence requires
exploration. To go along the path is to become one with
it."
L173[09:37:08] <ve2dmn> I am one with my
kerbals
L174[09:37:15] <Althego> what is
self-actualize?
L175[09:37:28] <ve2dmn> no clue. it come
from that generator
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L180[10:01:33] <UmbralRaptor> Huh, bizjet
sized trijet.
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L187[10:37:27] <kmath> YouTube - Slav
makes a demostration of russian tank guns firepower
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L199[11:50:07] <xShadowx> happy turkey day
\o/
L200[11:51:32] <APlayer> Is thanksgiving
today?
L201[11:53:06] <Althego> i dont give a
thanks :)
L202[11:53:37] <ve2dmn> APlayer: depends
where you live, but for the majority, it's turkey day
L203[11:54:08] <APlayer> I don't think I
am familiar with that term
L204[11:54:16] <ConductorCat> How happy
can the turkeys be today?
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L206[11:54:57] <ve2dmn> ConductorCat: they
are very happy: they survived
L207[11:56:09] <ConductorCat> Something is
very wrong when a President's first pardon isn't a turkey.
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L209[12:03:00] <ve2dmn> Desert Bus for
hope is almost over
L210[12:04:22] <ve2dmn> it's either the
last shift or pen-ultimate
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L213[12:06:48] <schnobs> Is there a mod
that helps with VTOL craft?
L214[12:07:04] <schnobs> I find hovering
on jets quite hard.
L215[12:07:26] <Althego> throttle control
avionics maybe
L216[12:07:52] <Althego> but jets have
lagging throttles, so it is harder than with rockets
L217[12:08:27] <schnobs> don't need to
tell *me*. Just crashed a few times because of that.
L218[12:08:35] <APlayer> Custom kOS
scripts are my means of achieving un-achievable things. Although
some tasks are beyond what I can do, and usually people need to
help me
L220[12:09:50] <Althego> actually hovering
is one of the hardest things you could choose to do
L221[12:10:16] <ve2dmn> it's like an
inverted pendulum
L222[12:10:17] <schnobs> well, I'd already
settle for not spazzing out *that* badly.
L223[12:10:29] <ve2dmn> you need to
correct all the time
L224[12:10:31] <Althego> different, but
both are unstable
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L226[12:11:47] <schnobs> hmmm. hold on. If
I tell MJ to limit thrust to just slightly above 1g...?
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L228[12:12:50] <Althego> just dont do too
fast adjustments
L229[12:23:42] *
schnobs watches *that* vid again, gets WASD envy.
L231[12:25:13] <kmath> YouTube - ...and it
only took a few hundred takes!
L232[12:36:00] <ve2dmn> So Desert Bus (the
charity) has challenges that they can do (People donate X if they
do Y)...
L233[12:36:27] <ve2dmn> ...some viewer
challenged 'James Turner' to name his daughter 'Paige'
L234[12:38:51] <Althego> hehe
L235[12:41:48] <ve2dmn> of course the best
challenges was the list they used yesterday: A neural network
generated list that was fed the challenges from the 10 previous
years
L236[12:42:03] <ve2dmn> It was complete
nonsense
L237[12:42:12] <ve2dmn> they did them
anyway...
L238[12:42:21] <Althego> lol
L239[12:46:08] <SnoopJeDi> is that to
imply that challenges aren't usually nonsense :P
L240[12:46:30] <ve2dmn> those challenges
were hardly sentences
L241[12:46:57] <ve2dmn> but yes, the input
was silly to begin with
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L243[12:54:41] <schnobs> 2km/s for a lunar
landing is about right?
L244[12:57:36] <SnoopJeDi> there's a Δv
map in the /topic
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L246[12:59:10] <Althego> from where?
L247[12:59:36] <Althego> just for landing
a lot less is enough
L248[12:59:45] <schnobs> low lunar orbit.
LLLunar, not munar.
L249[12:59:52] <Althego> ah
L250[13:00:58] <schnobs> got a dV map
squirreled away somewhere, nevermind. *goes looking*
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L252[13:07:43] <schnobs> it says 1720m/s,
but that strikes me as rather tight. If memory serves, that's
orbital velocity...
L253[13:10:39] <Warrigal_> I think there
used to be a common recommendation that when building large craft,
you should use pairs of docking ports to connect parts that
wouldn't otherwise be connectable.
L254[13:10:40] <Warrigal_> Right?
L255[13:10:54] <Warrigal_> Does that
advice still apply now that we've got struts?
L256[13:11:06] <Althego> i never did that.
i always used cubic octagonal
L257[13:11:55] <Althego> cubic... is the
part that makes the impossible possible. the glue of the universe.
the one to rule everything
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L259[13:15:46] <schnobs> Warrigal_:
there's a mod called Recoupler (I think) which does what the double
docking ports did. only at fewer parts.
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L261[13:18:32] <schnobs> For large craft
(wide, sprawling) stabilty can increase by a lot of you do that.
The mechanism is quite different from autostruts, so I don't think
the two approaches are comparable.
L262[13:19:03] <schnobs> Then again, if
you build it in one piece, you may as well use ordinary struts to
begin with.
L263[13:19:46] <schnobs> The docking ports
only really make sense if you want to rip it apart at some point.
Otherwise, use Recoupler (if that's the name) or just plain boring
struts.
L264[13:24:21] <oren> I just use real
struts
L265[13:24:22] <Warrigal_> Whelp, good
news and bad news about my Mün landing just now.
L266[13:24:32] <Warrigal_> I've landed and
collected 132 science points...
L267[13:24:41] <ve2dmn> you need a rescue
mission?
L268[13:24:45] <Warrigal_> And my ship is
currently oriented horizontally.
L269[13:24:45] <Althego> hehe
L270[13:24:46] <schnobs> Warrigal_:
Please, leave out the rock dots.
L271[13:25:00] <Althego> rock dots?
L272[13:25:08] <Althego> but metal dots
are ok?
L273[13:25:08] <Warrigal_> The umlaut in
Mün.
L274[13:25:14] <schnobs>
"Mün"sounds totally silly for people who actually have
that character in their language.
L275[13:25:20] <Althego> to me to
L276[13:25:27] <Althego> i always say it
as mun
L277[13:25:34] <Warrigal_> I bet.
L278[13:25:36] <Althego> maybe because
most peopla also call it like that
L279[13:25:51] <oren> what does ü actully
represent?
L280[13:25:59] <Warrigal_> In IPA,
"Mün" would be /myn/ or something, right?
L281[13:26:12] <schnobs> I guess most
people say something that sounds almost but not quite like
"moon".
L282[13:26:19] <schnobs> Warrigal_:
right.
L283[13:26:21] <Althego> line in german
words
L284[13:26:35] <oren> like meen but
rounded
L285[13:26:46] <Warrigal_> So, my
remaining delta-v is 1,422.
L286[13:26:59] <Warrigal_> I just need to
get off this here Mun.
L287[13:27:01] <ve2dmn> schnobs: sound
depends on the language
L288[13:27:11] <Eddi|zuHause>
<ve2dmn> ...some viewer challenged 'James Turner' to name his
daughter 'Paige' <-- there are a few jokes like that in german,
the most common is the clerk asking: "do you really want to
name your daughter Claire, miss Grube?"
L289[13:27:37] <schnobs> ve2dmn: I only
know german and turkish.
L290[13:27:46] <Warrigal_> There's a
character in "Arthur" named Paige Turner.
L291[13:27:47] <oren> schnobs: and
english
L292[13:27:51] <Althego> hehe
L293[13:27:55] <schnobs> Eddi|zuHause:
Frau Mira Bellenbaum.
L294[13:28:40] <schnobs> Warrigal_:
where's the problem? 1400m/s sounds like plenty. ~800m/s to take
off, ~270m/s to get a low Kerbin PE....
L295[13:28:40] <Eddi|zuHause> and then
there are those simpsons prank calls, which also have a (probably
unrelated) german translation/replacement
L296[13:28:51] <Warrigal_> schnobs: yeah,
but my ship is lying on its side.
L297[13:29:04] <schnobs> Ah, I can see how
this complicates matters.
L298[13:29:05] <ve2dmn> schnobs: The
letter Ü is present in the Hungarian, Turkish, Uyghur Latin,
Estonian, Azeri, Turkmen, Crimean Tatar, Kazakh Latin and Tatar
Latin alphabets,
L299[13:29:18] <oren> Warrigal_:
horizontal takeoff from mun is ok if you have a hill you can roll
to
L300[13:29:44] <schnobs> Warp on / warp
off and hope for a good leap?
L301[13:30:01] <Eddi|zuHause> ve2dmn: in
almost all of them the sound will probably be similar
L303[13:30:10] <Warrigal_> Roll it to a
hill. Wish me luck.
L304[13:30:37] <schnobs> Warrigal_: brute
force, hack gravity and use reaction wheels.
L305[13:31:02] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause:
depends if it's a seperate letter, or if it is a diaeresis over the
letter U
L306[13:31:19] <oren> Note: The letters ä,
ö, and ü do not have alternative forms such as the ae, oe, and ue
of German, but Schleyer proposed alternate forms ꞛ, ꞝ, and ꞟ for
them
L307[13:31:34] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i
always thought of "Mün" as something equivalent to
"Mötely Crüe", where people who had no idea what the dots
mean used them as pure style element
L308[13:31:55] <Warrigal_> My electric
charge is pretty limited...
L309[13:32:15] <Warrigal_> Let me see if I
can use RCS to spin my ship around so it's at least pointing
up.
L310[13:32:22] <ve2dmn> Eddi|zuHause: I
always assume that alphabets diverges enough over the centuries
that I don't trust my own prononciations of the letters
L311[13:32:26] <Kalpa> Mün is myn
L312[13:32:42] <Warrigal_> The answer is
nope, not really.
L313[13:33:17] <schnobs> Soooooo....
soliciting advice.
L314[13:33:28] <Eddi|zuHause> Warrigal_:
get the kerbals out, disassemble the ship, and reassemble it
upright :p
L315[13:33:52] <schnobs> In my olde-timey
game, I'm approaching the point where a lunar landing would be in
order.
L316[13:34:03] <schnobs> The proposed
vessel looked like this:
L318[13:34:25] <Warrigal_> Oh ****.
L319[13:34:43] <Warrigal_> I decided to
fire the rocket engine and use reaction wheels to turn
around.
L320[13:34:44] <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds
a bit overdone for a moon landing
L321[13:34:48] <Warrigal_> It worked well
for one or two seconds...
L322[13:34:55] <ve2dmn> you need a rescue
mission?
L323[13:34:56] <schnobs> It assumes
inflatable, lightweight everything. Some handwaving involved.
L324[13:35:20] <Eddi|zuHause> Warrigal_:
try to avoid the ground while taking off :p
L325[13:35:27] <Warrigal_> But then my
engine exploded.
L326[13:35:31] <Warrigal_> And then my
fuel tank exploded.
L327[13:35:37] <schnobs> Ah, three of
these, two crew and one cargo vessel. Cargo vessel holds lots of
rovers and stuff.
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L329[13:36:01] <schnobs> approx 40 crew
spend a fortnight on the moon. That's exploration!
L330[13:36:24] <Warrigal_> The good news
is, I managed to get the remaining part of the craft upright.
:D
L331[13:36:42] <schnobs> Still... It's
tall, spindly, and all things considered I wonder if that plan
would have held up.
L332[13:37:14] <Eddi|zuHause> Warrigal_:
sounds like a job for f9 :p
L333[13:37:23] <APlayer> schnobs: This
amount of engines sounds like an excessive hassle in KSP
L334[13:38:21] <schnobs> APlayer: I don't
even know. I modded me some engines and tanks to have the
"proper" stats and it just doesn't work out.
L335[13:38:24] <Eddi|zuHause> schnobs:
reminds me a bit of the space ship in Civ1
L336[13:38:27] <Warrigal_> I'm going to
plant a flag that says "Please Send Help".
L337[13:38:31] <schnobs> I guess that's a
case of the artist going wild.
L338[13:39:28] <APlayer> schnobs: What
does not work out exactly?
L339[13:40:35] <schnobs> The engines as
pictured amount to perhaps 2000kN; first attempts to put it
together like that would give me TWR=7 for the landing.
L340[13:42:13] <APlayer> TWR 2 - 10 is
appropriate depending on your trajectory
L341[13:42:23] <APlayer> It's on the Mun,
after all
L342[13:42:30] <APlayer> Also, what's the
things mass?
L343[13:43:14] <Althego> ah another
systematic classification of life episode from aronra
L344[13:43:15] <schnobs> No precise data
available. But it's clearly ripped of the martian vessels, so...
(hold on)
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L347[13:45:16] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L348[13:45:42] <schnobs> newspaper where I
got the pics gives 160feet tall, 110 wide (including the large
spherical tanks) and 4370t at departure from earth.
L349[13:46:36] <schnobs> 800,000 gallons
of hydrazine and nitric acid. 580,000 for departure burn.
L350[13:47:29] <Althego> lol
L351[13:47:38] <schnobs> That's a lunar
"expedition" in the sense of, say, an arctic expedition
of the time.
L352[13:47:39] <Althego> all these
friendly materials
L353[13:47:53] <oren> schnobs: sounds like
a Von Braun design from the the 40's
L354[13:48:05] <schnobs> oren: it
is.
L355[13:48:21] <schnobs> Nowhere does he
mention "inhibited" acid, I think the concept wasn't
known.
L356[13:48:32] <oren> schnobs: discovered
in the 60's
L357[13:49:27] <schnobs> IIRC, you
neededglassware or ceramics to store it until they put the i in
IRFNA.
L358[13:50:22] <schnobs> So, as I said,
there's some handwaving involved. Lightweight inflatable tanks....
but in KSP, I can.
L359[13:50:32] <oren> schnobs: you could
also just use steel and launch it right after filling
L360[13:51:17] <oren> The main problem
wasn't the eating through the walls, it was the fact that doing so
weakened the acid
L361[13:51:34] <oren> and created sludge
in the works
L362[13:51:42] <schnobs> You can do that
with oxygen too. Which he had some experience with, after all. But
for that mission, storable fuel was required.
L363[13:52:00] *
schnobs has read "Ignition", too.
L364[13:52:38] <oren> schnobs: have you
read von braun's Das Mars Projekt?
L365[13:52:57] <schnobs> diagonally.
Mostly the data tables near the end.
L366[13:53:24] <oren> he proposed
launching >1000 ferry rockets to assemble a mars fleet in
orbit
L367[13:53:35] <oren> all hydrarfna
L369[13:54:07] <oren> the rockets were
suppose to be reusable with each stage piloted (!)
L370[13:54:26] <schnobs> of course. He did
not foresee robotic probes.
L372[13:56:10] <schnobs> (old and outdated
WIP pics, vessel has evolved a lot. And been put into RSS)
L373[13:56:16] <oren> nice!
L374[13:57:15] <Neal> somehow my kerbin
apoapsis is at 1.6 billion meters
L375[13:57:22] *
Neal is confused
L377[13:58:14] <Althego> lol
L378[13:58:28] <Neal> kerbin's SOI is only
supposed to be around 80Mm, and here i am at 1.6Gm
L379[13:58:36] <Althego> ask taniwha, he
did the current trajectory system
L381[13:59:05] <schnobs> So, yea, about
soliciting advice: should I try to follow through with a moon
mission that *looks* like those ald magazine illustrations?
L382[13:59:23] <Neal> I feel like a quick
kick of my engine will get the trajectory recalculated and
fixed
L383[13:59:28] <Althego> if it is fun for
you
L384[13:59:30] <daey> two things happen
there. A. the rectangular floating surface texture. and me
exploding at 2346m mid air due to an invisible mountain :')
L385[13:59:58] <daey> no mods
running
L386[14:00:09] <schnobs> Or come up with
somehting more reasonable / workable?
L387[14:00:34] <ve2dmn> schnobs: it's your
game. Why not both?
L388[14:00:53] <ve2dmn> Survival of the
fitest
L389[14:01:50] <schnobs> The latter would
probably look a lot like the IPP: LEO - lunar shuttle - lunar
station (mostly for a fuel depot) - lunar lander
L390[14:02:43] <APlayer> Neal: Switch to
KSC?
L391[14:04:41] <Neal> APlayer, skipping
ahead a few days fixed it
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L394[14:05:50] <daey> Kerbal: textures in
the sky. presented by studio ghibli :P
L395[14:06:18] <schnobs> ve2dmn: I'm
trying to make up my mind about what to do next in my game.
L396[14:06:56] <ve2dmn> make a moon base
to kcik-launch further explorations?
L397[14:07:27] <daey> oh im retarded. im
using a scatterer mod :3
L398[14:08:30] <schnobs> moon station
would make more sense, to land in several spots. Possibly a
reusable lander too. But then it becomes the 1960s IPP, just
without Nerva.
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L402[14:11:33] <daey> still amazes me that
something like that happens
L403[14:11:48] <Blaank> Well it had to
happen eventually with all the rocks flying around
everywhere.
L404[14:11:49] <daey> imagine how
precisely that thing had to start to meet us
L405[14:11:53] <daey> sure
L406[14:11:56] <Blaank> But we could have
learned an amazing amount from it.
L407[14:12:12] <daey> dont know about
that. it probably looks exactly like our rocks :')
L408[14:12:15] <Althego> that specific
one
L409[14:12:28] <Blaank> Says it's going to
take 20,000 years to leave, maybe we will come up with a drive
capable of chasing it down.
L410[14:12:37] <Althego> but surely there
are millions of things like this in the galaxy, so one is boud to
go through our solarsystem
L411[14:12:43] <daey> meh apparently it
happens once a year.
L412[14:12:58] <daey> its more a question
of finding it
L413[14:13:01] <Althego> we just did not
detect the ones before it
L414[14:13:11] <Blaank> Even if it's just
a normal rock no different from ours that gives us information
about other star systems are similar.
L415[14:13:44] <Althego> what gives me
goosebumps is the fact that it is interstellar
L416[14:13:49] <Althego> it did what we
couldnt
L417[14:13:56] <Althego> crossed the space
beteen stars
L418[14:14:07] <daey> well voyager is
going to do it as well.. eventually
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L420[14:14:15] <Althego> what huge
cataclysm could have shot it here
L421[14:14:23] <ve2dmn> Althego: that's
somewhat easy if you have infinite time
L422[14:14:52] <Blaank> rampant
speculation being 45 million year voyage.
L423[14:14:59] <ve2dmn> for a vague
definition of 'somewhat' and 'easy'
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L425[14:15:01] <daey> im sure our star
system loses stuff on a daily basis, just as earth itself
does
L426[14:15:16] <Blaank> So when are we
going to rig up a rocket and lasso this sucker?
L427[14:15:18] <SnoopJeDi> Blaank, things
get murky when you're willing to speculate on a timescale twice as
long as the history of civilization :P
L428[14:15:36] <Warrigal_> All right... I
figure it's probably not necessary to euthanize Megfrid just
yet.
L429[14:15:43] <Warrigal_> I have a ton of
money, after all.
L430[14:15:44] <Blaank> We don't have the
tech to catch it right now but work on propulsion technology for
100 years and then we should be able to grab that sucker.
L431[14:16:45] <daey> catching it wouldnt
even be necessary. a small research satellite would already be
nice. but its hard to schedule something like that i guess
L432[14:17:04] <daey> we would need many
of them in orbit on standby
L433[14:17:15] <Warrigal_> I think I'll
try again after I've researched Landing.
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L435[14:17:15] <Althego> or we could wait
for the next one in 2018
L436[14:17:27] <daey> assuming we see it
:')
L437[14:17:42] <Althego> still easier than
cacthing up with this one
L438[14:18:00] <Blaank> So ... how big is
this thing compared to most random rocks. 180mx30mx30m
L439[14:18:08] <daey> seeing that that
task is likely impossible, yeah :P
L440[14:18:39] <Blaank> If the entire
human race devoted itself totally to propulsion research for the
next 10 years I think we could make something to catch it.
L441[14:18:52] <Althego> dont count on
it
L442[14:18:55] <Blaank> All wars and
recreationk put on hold to chase down a rock.
L443[14:19:00] <schnobs> Blaank: hard to
say. "About the size of an aircraft carrier" gives me
something to imagine, but i don't know how common that size
is.
L444[14:19:22] <daey> is there even a
light at the end of the propulsion research tunnel?
L445[14:19:26] <Althego> even usa only
could achieve so much just by ditching the useless wars
L446[14:19:37] <daey> atm nuclear drives
seem to be the hit. but are they good enough?
L447[14:20:01] <Blaank> dicey to launch
them.
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L449[14:20:05] <schnobs>
"atm"?
L450[14:20:12] <Althego> at the
moment
L451[14:20:16] <Blaank> People don't like
them blowing up and spraying them with 0.5 banana doses of
radiation.
L452[14:20:18] <Althego> i thought ions
are all the rage
L453[14:20:33] <Blaank> Nuclear got the
power. Ion got the ISP.
L454[14:20:34] <Warrigal_> Do I want to
research Landing or Electrics first? Hmmmm.
L455[14:20:42] <daey> i only know that
china/usa restarted their nuclear propulsion research this year
iirc.
L456[14:20:45] <Blaank> Landing legs are
overrated.
L457[14:20:48] <Althego> you dont need
legs
L458[14:20:59] <Blaank> Engines are super
sturdy if you land at low speeds.
L459[14:20:59] <ve2dmn> combine the 2...
BAM! worse then either probably
L460[14:21:10] <schnobs> I understand the
literal meaning, just wondering what world daey lives in. In mine,
work on nukes has effectively stopped some fifty years ago.
L461[14:21:12] <tawny> if you can figure
out how to assemble a fusion engine in orbit, then that's probably
as good as you'll get
L462[14:21:27] <daey> schnobs: o0 kim
disagrees
L463[14:21:29] <Althego> the problem is,
we dont even know how to do it on earth
L464[14:21:35] <Iskierka> there are many
kinds of 'fusion' engines
L465[14:21:41] <Iskierka> it's somewhat
meaningless
L467[14:21:51] <tawny> alright, fair
L468[14:22:02] <Warrigal_> Well, I tried
to land without landing legs and my ship tipped over.
L469[14:22:12] <daey> im not taking about
nuking the capsule to space btw :P
L470[14:22:54] <Althego> nuclear
propulsion is something that could have been done decades ago. it
is just with too many risks and probably against current agreements
about nuclear stuff in space
L471[14:23:38] <daey> well it was done
decades ago. they had nuclear powered missles, but the research was
stopped due to icbm's and international agreements iirc.
L472[14:23:53] <schnobs> Althego: I think
public opinion is all you're up against. but yeah, can't imagine it
to happen.
L473[14:24:08] <tawny> maybe your best
hope is that metallic hydrogen is real and usable at all
L475[14:24:38] <daey> heck they even had
nuclear powered planes :P
L476[14:24:46] <Althego> scott has a video
about metallic hydrogen propulsio
L477[14:24:56] <tawny> or, only slightly
less probable than metallic hydrogen, you can hope for the EM drive
to be real!
L478[14:24:58] <schnobs> daey: and
"nuclear" not being safe as milk after all, and general
opinion swinging to the oppsite once the public got wind of
it.
L479[14:25:08] <Althego> em drive is not
real
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L481[14:25:37] <schnobs> If your world is
like mine, you probably know a few people who panic at the mention
of radioactivity.
L482[14:26:02] <schnobs> (nevermind if
that's reasonable -- it's what you're up against)
L483[14:26:34] <SnoopJeDi> MSL has an RTG
though, there's hope \o/
L484[14:27:10] <daey> schnobs: the
incentive needs to be big enough. but seeing that two countries are
actively working on them as we speak, im pretty sure its going to
happen sooner or later
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L486[14:27:21] <SnoopJeDi> and the 2020
rover, for that matter
L487[14:27:59] <schnobs> wasn't there
quite a brouhaha about Cassini's RTG, back in the day? "And
it's gonna do a close flyby too, just imagine what could
happen"
L488[14:28:07] <daey> i mean they are
already shooting nuclear material into space. i dont think the
nuclear drive would be used during the launch
L489[14:28:20] <Iskierka> and one's on
offer for the mission that Titan Dragonfly is competing for
L490[14:28:46] <Iskierka> nuclear thermal
rockets, the type being studied, are closed-cycle and have minimal
if any radioactive material release
L491[14:29:09] <daey> only if they dont
happen to blow up :^)
L492[14:29:17] <Iskierka> a **** of a lot
of radiation sitting right next to it, but that's neutron flux, not
material release
L493[14:29:18] <schnobs> daey: and packed
well enough to just sink to the bottom of the ocean, where it would
be spilled over decades. Which I consider to be "mostly
harmless", but... well, ain't gonna convince my mother of
that.
L494[14:29:32] <Iskierka> they're much
lower temperature and pressure than conventional engines. If you
blow it up you did something very wrong
L495[14:30:09] <daey> well its sufficient
when the big liquid engine below it blows up. which happens not
that rarely
L496[14:30:33] <ve2dmn> schnobs: I'm sure
the underwater fumaroles are more radioactive that the debri we
make...
L497[14:30:51] <schnobs> ve2dmn:
possibly.
L498[14:30:59] <Warrigal_> So um, I guess
I just need to figure out how to land without my ship falling
over.
L499[14:32:22] <schnobs> Warrigal_: always
a good idea.
L500[14:32:40] <schnobs> gotta run. See
you tomorrow.
L501[14:33:03] <ve2dmn> SnoopJeDi: wait...
which 2020 rover?
L502[14:33:29] <SnoopJeDi> AFAIK
"Mars 2020" is as specific a name as NASA have given
it
L503[14:33:57] <SnoopJeDi> Curiosity 2:
Thermoelectric Boogaloo
L504[14:34:21] <SnoopJeDi> Roly Poly
Science Patroly
L505[14:34:21] <Althego> there is no name
for it yet
L506[14:35:12] <Althego> btw insight is
getting into shape too
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L508[14:37:00] <SnoopJeDi> ...huh. I did
not know about that mission, but the CubeSats really seems like
something I should have been cognizant of
L509[14:37:25] <Iskierka> AIUI Mars 2020
is to be better prepared for planetary protection and will go into
the slightly more likely areas for evidence of life
L510[14:37:49] <daey> i dont see the
purpose that these hobby cubesats serve.. most of them do totally
retarded experients :/
L511[14:37:58] <Althego> hehe
L512[14:38:07] <daey> dont get me wrong a
satellite is awesome. but...
L513[14:38:30] <Althego> which probe was
designed with 2 interplanetary cubesats?
L514[14:39:06] <Warrigal_> Maybe I just
need to land much more slowly.
L515[14:39:21] <Althego> ah it was
insight
L516[14:39:32] <Althego> i hope the
cubesats still go with it
L517[14:40:03] <SnoopJeDi> daey, leaving
aside the remarkably poor taste of using "retarded" in
this context, these aren't hobbyist devices, they're JPL.
L518[14:40:29] <daey> yeah im using that
word to lightly :')
L519[14:41:08] <daey> im kinda hyped about
the steam rocket launch on sunday though :D
L520[14:41:15] <Althego> i still find it
funny that retarded potential is actually a thing
L521[14:41:18] <SnoopJeDi> CubeSat is
worth what's been spent on developing it many many times over for
the developed infrastructure alone
L522[14:41:30] <SnoopJeDi> PPOD etc
L523[14:42:41] <daey> i think one cool
effect of cubesats is that the space travel is actively being
funded through paid services available to the public
L524[14:44:10] <ve2dmn> daey: most... but
the Humble space telescope is a good example of a small sat doing
good work
L525[14:44:24] <SnoopJeDi> the relevant
attitude determination and control problems are pretty cute,
too.
L526[14:44:42] <daey> ve2dmn: im not
saying small sats are useless. what i meant is that most of these
hobby lowcost projects seem to be.
L528[14:45:18] <SnoopJeDi> very unclear
what "these" projects are since we began the discussion
with a NASA/JPL project
L529[14:45:21] <ve2dmn> although, I don't
know if that qualifies as a cubesat...
L530[14:45:39] <SnoopJeDi> but that's also
rather implying that teaching a next generation is not
fruitful
L531[14:46:10] <daey> nah thats not a
cubesat. cube sats are 10x10x10*X
L532[14:46:57] <SnoopJeDi> among many
other specifications
L533[14:47:21] <Althego> actually that is
just the smallest size
L534[14:47:25] <Althego> these are
modular
L535[14:48:12] <SnoopJeDi> Althego, IIRC
the CubeSat spec only supports union along one axis
L536[14:48:23] <daey> yeah
L537[14:48:44] <daey> they are deployed
via special deployer systems which can afaik only take those
dimensions
L538[14:48:44] <SnoopJeDi> but they're
obviously related if you think about other axes (Wallops did a lot
of looking at a 6U once upon a whenever)
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L541[14:49:55] <ve2dmn> I wonder what's
the smallest sat you could make that could still be usefull
L542[14:50:39] <Althego> probably
microscopic
L543[14:50:45] <daey> i think the problem
is mainly the available money not the available space
L544[14:50:52] <SnoopJeDi> hardest part of
figuring that out is how to get N > 1 people to agree on what
"useful" is supposed to mean
L545[14:51:01] <Althego> hehe
L546[14:51:57] <Warrigal_> I think I'll
use the Mk1 Lander Can for the landing stage on my second
attempt...
L547[14:52:21] <Althego> good choice
because it is the lightest you can go with a 1 person cabin
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L550[14:56:10] <Warrigal_> Looks like it
only has one hatch, which is on the side, right?
L551[14:58:32] <daey> aww the cubesats
even have density restrictions. i guess someone tried to launch a
leadblock :P
L552[15:00:29] <SnoopJeDi> it's a very
thorough specification, even includes constraints on CoM deviation
from geometric center
L553[15:01:42] <bees> lightest useful sat
would probably be a few grams
L554[15:02:35] <SnoopJeDi> go
big^H^H^Hsmall or go home, MEMSsat :)
L555[15:03:45] <bees> why you would need
such a sat, i have no idea
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L557[15:03:53] <SnoopJeDi> I think the
whispercraft in Accelerando was a few grams, but there are some
computronium tooth fairies involved
L558[15:04:19] <bees> irl grams-range sat
would be a simplest retranslator possible
L559[15:04:21] <daey> According to
NanoRacks, this mission marks the first deployment of the industry
standard 6U CubeSats in the 2U x 3U form factor
L560[15:04:28] <daey> it looks like they
are getting more flexible
L562[15:04:36] <SnoopJeDi> it's not
exactly a stretch of the imagination
L563[15:04:43] <SnoopJeDi> 6U I mean
L564[15:05:00] <daey> yes but its 2U wide
and 3U long not 6U long
L565[15:05:15] <SnoopJeDi> bees, sure,
you'd have to actually specify some kind of valuation function to
take any of this past "idle speculation"
L566[15:05:16] <daey> that wasnt possible
before
L567[15:05:18] <SnoopJeDi> but that's not
very KSP :)
L568[15:05:23] <Mat2ch> Which still is
pretty small
L569[15:05:29] <Mat2ch> had a cubesat in
my hands today :D
L570[15:05:45] <daey> what is its
task?
L571[15:05:53] <Mat2ch> And I saw the
engineering module for Rosetta. That's a huge sat...
L572[15:05:56] *
legion looks behind him at the full scale cubesat model he has
made
L573[15:06:54] <SnoopJeDi> now, PhoneSat?
That's a little silly :P
L574[15:07:05] <SnoopJeDi> the good kind
of silly though
L575[15:09:27] <bees> SnoopJeDi:
"retranslate a radio signal on fixed frequency if sun is
shining on a panels"
L576[15:09:58] <SnoopJeDi> err, that
wasn't a request so much as pointing out that the original question
was vague. but yes, point taken.
L577[15:10:23] <bees> this is probably the
most basic function that can be considered "useful"
L578[15:10:53] <SnoopJeDi> inside of the
present framework, yep
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L581[15:21:02] <Warrigal_> All right... my
ship is kinda funny looking, and I don't know if it will actually
work...
L583[15:21:20] <Warrigal_> But hey, what's
the worst that could happen?
L584[15:23:52] <Warrigal_> Oh yeah, that
was TERRIBLE. :D
L585[15:26:08] <Warrigal_> That's kinda
weird, FAR says this is aerodynamically stable...
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L587[15:31:49] <Warrigal_> I tried adding
struts. I don't expect that to help... but I figure it *might*
help.
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L589[15:37:34] <ve2dmn> anyone know who
'Jerry Holkins' from Penny-arcade is?
L590[15:38:33] <ve2dmn> ^ disregard, wrong
channel
L591[15:41:51] <ve2dmn> (For the record,
he's "Tycho Brahe" from Penny Arcade)
L592[15:45:08] <Warrigal_> Whelp, that was
a bad launch. I spent over 5,000 delta-v getting into orbit.
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L595[16:03:31] <tawny> any launch you can
walk away from...
L596[16:04:26] <RandomJeb> if my kerbals
can walk away from a launch something is very wrong, they should be
in space or exploded
L597[16:07:16] <tawny> haha
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L599[16:18:12] <Warrigal_> \o/ \o/ \o/
Landed on the Mun without tipping over. :D
L600[16:18:50] <tawny> nice
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L603[16:35:00] <SnoopJeDi> grats
Warrigal_
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L607[16:49:47] <Warrigal_> And I got 162
science returning from that trip. :D
L608[17:07:44] <Warrigal_> I wonder how
I'm supposed to easily find the Infernal Robotics parts in the
VAB...
L609[17:07:59] <Warrigal_> They don't show
up at all under "Filter by function" or "Filter by
manufacturer".
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L611[17:08:40] <Warrigal_> They do show up
under "Filter by Tech Level", tiers 6 through 8, but so
does a bunch of other junk.
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L617[17:44:21] <Fluburtur> I played like
10 hours of war thunder today
L618[17:44:25] <Fluburtur> what am I even
doing with my life
L619[17:45:45] <Warrigal_> Whelp, I made a
helicopter using Infernal Robotics. :D
L620[17:45:49] <Warrigal_> It
*technically* works...
L621[17:46:08] <Warrigal_> It just
produces some pretty extreme yaw.
L622[17:48:17] <Warrigal_> As in, it
causes the cockpit to yaw at a good 100-200 RPM.
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L625[17:50:08] <kmath> YouTube - HUGE XXXL
LIEBHERR RC CRANE FRIEDRICHSHAFEN 2017
L626[17:51:51] <Warrigal_> Also, it's
impossible to stop the blades spinning.
L627[17:52:12] <Warrigal_> Cut the engine,
they continue spinning anyway.
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L631[17:58:08] <TheKosmonaut> Fluburtur:
only in Germany could they be excited about RC cranes
L632[17:58:19] <Fluburtur> those crazy
germans
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L641[19:24:15] <kuzetsa> TheKosmonaut: wow
yeah I agree.
L642[19:24:35] <kuzetsa> like my first
thought was: "huh, why are they remote-controlling a full-size
construction / junkyard crane"
L643[19:25:06] <kuzetsa> followed
immediately by HOLY [expletive deleted] WHAT?!
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L647[19:26:39] <kuzetsa> so I guess it's
like model trains... except REC contruction equipment instead of
track-based "literally on rails" things which don't
normally get micromanaged by a pilot or whatever [O__o]
L648[19:26:45] <kuzetsa> *RC
L649[19:27:18] <kuzetsa> TL;DR good job,
germany: a hobby-sport-activity of some kind which I never knew
existed
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L656[21:04:40] <Draconiator> KSP is 40%
off on Steam
L657[21:06:42] <UmbralRaptor> Happy black
friday eve.
L658[21:07:40] <Kalpa> Happy black friday
(our webstores seem to have crashed under the rampage of
people)
L659[21:12:43] <taniwha> Neal: that's
either a mod breaking things, or Squad went and broke my code
:P
L660[21:13:49] <Neal> taniwha, no mods
installed whatsoever =p
L661[21:14:46] <taniwha> then it's time
for you to head to bugs.kerbalspaceprogam.com
L662[21:15:26] <taniwha> I notice it's
after an encounter with something (Minmus?)
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L664[21:16:04] <Neal> I was on an escape
trajectory and the minmus intercept was after apoapsis
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L667[21:17:28] <taniwha> hang on
L669[21:18:04] <taniwha> working here (do
note the https, though)
L670[21:18:18] <Neal> lol whoops, neither
noticed the typo
L671[21:18:43] <taniwha> yeah
L672[21:19:04] <taniwha> I suspected a
typo so I went and pulled the url out of my browser history
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L676[21:31:11] <xShadowx> taniwha: happy
turkey day :D
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L678[21:43:16] <taniwha> on the internet,
every day is turkey day :P
L679[21:43:30] <xShadowx> o.O
L680[21:44:07] <taniwha> (there's at least
one turkey in every community)
L681[21:45:13] <UmbralRaptor> ???
L682[21:45:30] <taniwha> what font do I
need to see those?
L683[21:47:41] <Warrigal_> Aww crap, I
warped right through Kerbin periapsis at 40,000 m. :D
L684[21:48:05] <taniwha> avoid > 10k
warp when in Kerbin's SoI
L685[21:49:13] <UmbralRaptor> taniwha:
anything that covers the SMP?
L686[21:49:34] <taniwha> 10k means 200s
per frame, so you're guaranteed to hit Kerbin's atmo
L687[21:49:49] <taniwha> 100k means 2000s
per frame: all too easy to miss
L688[21:49:52] <taniwha> UmbralRaptor:
thanks
L689[21:50:34] <UmbralRaptor> Anyway, it's
U+1F983 Turkey
L690[21:52:57] *
xShadowx gives taniwha a fresh homemade pumpkin pie
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L692[21:59:47] <Warrigal_> Woo, I've got
enough science now to get to any Tier 6 technology, or any three
Tier 5 technologies.
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L695[22:04:28] <Warrigal_> So it looks
like landing on Minmus is probably actually easier than landing on
the Mun?
L696[22:05:24] <UmbralRaptor> Pretty
much.
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L700[22:12:16] <tawny> it takes less
delta-v to descend to as well as to slow down for a safe landing,
with the only real hard parts being matching the inclination and
timing it to actually get there
L701[22:12:32] <Warrigal_> Well, then,
sounds like it's time to...
L702[22:12:34] <tawny> it's a lot easier
to get a mun intercept without even trying at all
L703[22:12:57] <Warrigal_> Start a new
career game on a higher difficulty, because this is too easy.
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L705[22:15:33] *
Warrigal_ just sets everything to the highest difficulty
possible.
L706[22:16:03] <Warrigal_> Starting Funds:
0. Starting Reputation: -1,000.
L707[22:16:11] <Warrigal_> I don't think
it will actually be possible for me to do anything.
L708[22:16:33] <Warrigal_> Kerbal G-Force
Tolerance: 0.01
L709[22:17:08] <xShadowx> both are easy to
land on, get enough dv to make an encounter, then just sat sas to
point retrograde, engines on/off to slow you enough to run into
minmus/mun, repeat again as you get close to lose speed, then near
ground nudge throttle up/down to keep falling speed controlled
enough to just not go forward, sas will keep the engine pointing
down so you can land
L710[22:21:39] <taniwha> Warrigal_: the
difficulty setting affects only science and finance. it's not
really worth it
L711[22:22:22] <taniwha> (now, if it
randomized planetary parameters a bit and hid the information, then
it might be worth calling a difficulty setting)
L712[22:25:01] <mabus> the no reverts
makes it tough
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L716[22:25:34] <KrazyKrl> The no reverts
makes it sadistic.
L717[22:25:42] <mabus> you can also select
that probes have no control when they have no signal which isnt
default for hard
L718[22:25:44] <Warrigal_> taniwha:
science and finance are the parts that make it too easy...
L719[22:26:01] <taniwha> mabus: no, it
makes it punishing, which is unacceptable in a game
L720[22:26:28] <Warrigal_> I've been
playing with no reverts for a pretty long time.
L721[22:26:33] <taniwha> Warrigal_: no,
it's us having access to the information NASA and Russia (not sure
the name) had to figure out
L722[22:26:37] <mabus> ok but its default
on hard
L723[22:26:40] <taniwha> that's what makes
it easy
L724[22:26:49] <KrazyKrl> Unless you run
stuff that lets you modify crafts after launch. The only times I
really use reverts, are when I forget simple stuff at launch.
L725[22:26:49] <taniwha> mabus: doesn't
make it right
L726[22:26:49] <mabus> so more than just
science and funds
L727[22:27:03] <mabus> Warrigal_: wants a
harder mode
L728[22:27:08] <mabus> it can be fun
L729[22:27:21] <mabus> i usually play that
way
L730[22:27:26] <KrazyKrl> Play RSO
then.
L731[22:27:31] <taniwha> if you want
harder, use a life support mod
L732[22:27:59] <mabus> or let us use the
options we find fun
L733[22:28:06] <KrazyKrl> RSO/RSS with
life support?
L734[22:28:21] <taniwha> oh, use what you
want
L735[22:28:39] <taniwha> I won't even try
to stop you
L736[22:28:54] <taniwha> but calling
"no reverts" hard is not really accurate
L737[22:29:03] <mabus> im just saying
"hard" difficulty chamges more than science/funds
L738[22:29:12] <KrazyKrl> No reverts is
tedious, not actually difficult.
L739[22:29:22] <taniwha> KrazyKrl:
yeah
L740[22:29:26] <mabus> and by default sets
no reverts no quickloads
L741[22:29:37] <taniwha> mabus: which does
not affect the difficulty
L742[22:30:02] <taniwha> (it does affect
the consequences, though)
L743[22:30:05] <mabus> not sure how you
make that case
L744[22:30:20] <mabus> funds become a
problem when you jave to spend them on mistakes
L745[22:30:52] <KrazyKrl> Now... if you
had a mod that limited reverts to only prelaunch...
L746[22:31:17] <taniwha> mabus: launch
cheaper rockets :P
L747[22:31:37] <mabus> play on default
hard, get back to me
L748[22:31:50] <Warrigal_> I think that
g-force tolerance setting is gonna be the hardest thing on me,
here. :D
L749[22:32:02] <taniwha> that I turn on
anyway
L750[22:32:20] <mabus> they turned down
threshold too
L751[22:32:28] <taniwha> (but it won't
affect you much unless you fly planes a lot)
L752[22:32:31] <mabus> which seems to me
it will be unplayable
L753[22:33:31] <mabus> since on launchpad
they will be 100x over gee limit
L754[22:33:43] <taniwha> (or do lots of
bad reentries, I guess)
L755[22:33:48] <mabus> or is it just a
factor of 0.01
L756[22:33:57] <taniwha> mabus: eh?
L757[22:34:15] <mabus> Warrigal_: said
they set gees limit to 0.01
L758[22:34:32] <mabus> i dont think its
possible to play a career with that set
L759[22:36:48] <Warrigal_> Well, I
launched a ship. Jebediah immediately lost consciousness and
remained unconscious for about 150 seconds.
L760[22:39:07] <Warrigal_> Oh boy, look at
the money numbers on this contract.
L761[22:39:20] <tawny> not letting probes
operate with no signal is a neat idea I guess but it makes anything
better than the stayputnik almost totally useless
L762[22:39:36] <Warrigal_> Advance: $20.
Completion: $450. Failure: -$18,000.
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L764[22:52:37] <Warrigal_> Whelp, there
goes Jebediah.
L765[22:52:55] <Warrigal_> Hit the ground
at 276.5 m/s.
L766[23:04:01] <petti> reduce lithobraking
slightly
L767[23:07:38] <Warrigal_> And there goes
Valentina, too.
L768[23:07:57] <Warrigal_> There's good
news, though.
L769[23:08:06] <Warrigal_> I have more
than 1% of the amount of money required in order to hire a new
pilot.
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L772[23:11:43] <mabus> never hire kerbals,
the ones you enslave, i mean, rescue, are better value
L773[23:12:01] <Warrigal_> And I have good
news about Bill Kerman.
L774[23:12:05] <Althego> exactly
L775[23:12:08] <Warrigal_> He didn't
regain consciousness before dying.
L776[23:13:55] <Warrigal_> So if I cancel
a contract, I *don't* get the failure penalty, right?
L777[23:15:01] <Warrigal_> Whew. I wasn't
eager to get that $94,500 penalty.
L778[23:27:56] <Gasher[work]> you save
their lives and then you own them :)
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L782[23:36:58] <Warrigal_> This career
game is proving to be surprisingly possible.
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L784[23:37:21] <Warrigal_> Looks like all
my kerbals can sustain 2 g's indefinitely. 3 g's, not so
sure.
L785[23:38:42] <taniwha> 3 is pretty low,
really
L786[23:39:11] <Warrigal_> I haven't
actually had anyone pass out from 3 yet.
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L788[23:45:30] <petti> normal people
usually have no problems sustaining 4 g I think?
L789[23:46:27] <Althego> maybe with some
training
L790[23:47:24] <taniwha> I think the limit
for normal people is somewhere between 4 and 6
L791[23:47:26] <Althego> wiki says 5 g is
the usual limit although it can be lower for some people
L792[23:47:56] <taniwha> yeah, well, if
you're fairly unfit, 5g would be pretty nasty
L793[23:48:13] <Gasher[work]> Althego, i
guess those some people won't get through initial testing
L794[23:48:27] <petti> no more donuts at
the crew lounge
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