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L1[00:01:54] ⇨
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L2[00:02:34] <Scolar_Visari> Gran mama
fought fir' Marik, flew them purples and blues on her nifty
Wolfhound and even took out a few of dem' Clanner Pumas she did.
Use to tell me stories 'bout how she challenged a Clan Star
Commander to a Trial of Possession and won 'erself one of them Clan
Tech 'mechs for Thomas Marik 'imself.
L3[00:04:19] *
Scolar_Visari opens a tin and thoughftully gnaws another wad of
chewin' tobacco, recollecting the mid 31st Century. "Aint as
bad as that Blakist nonsense and nuken' whole worlds, but they all
did what they had to do. Couldn't let those Clanners take Atreus.
No siree."
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L5[00:08:01] <Scolar_Visari> Coming Winter
2018, MechWarrior V: Nostalgiac Melancholy.
L6[00:08:32] <UmbralRaptor> Hah
L7[00:09:18] <Scolar_Visari> Play the role
of a retired, geriatric MechWarrior sharing stories of great
battles past with their ungrateful grandchildren. After-combat in
the 32nd Century!
L8[00:10:30] <Scolar_Visari> Featuring the
voice talents of Michael Caine, Susan Sarandon and Weird Al
Yankovic.
L9[00:10:57] <Scolar_Visari> MechWarrior V:
32nd Century Retirement!
L10[00:14:41] <UmbralRaptor> That's uh, an
odd mix of VAs.
L11[00:15:14] <Scolar_Visari> So was
Dishonored's voice cast!
L12[00:16:27] <Scolar_Visari> Huh. Mike
Mignola, the creator of Hellboy, did some of the concept art for
Disney's Atlantis movie.
L13[00:16:46] <Scolar_Visari> In
retrospect, it is little wonder I like it more now. Also: Ivanova
was in it.
L14[00:17:17] *
Scolar_Visari has little trouble in imaginaning a Hellboy/Atlantis
crossover.
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L16[00:18:39] <KaMii> this channel still
exists?
L17[00:18:56] <Scolar_Visari> THIS CHANNEL
HAS ALWAYS BEEN HERE
L18[00:19:03] <KaMii> why the caps?
L19[00:19:23] <Scolar_Visari> BECAUSE I'M
CHANNELING AMBASSADOR KOSH, AND VORLONS FOR SOME REASON SPEAK IN
ALL CAPS
L20[00:19:33] <KaMii> hardly always been
here, it did not exist before KSP existed, and irc has been around
for much longer
L21[00:19:42] <Scolar_Visari> I also can't
do that sweet sound effect Vorlons had whenever they spoke.
L22[00:19:56] <KaMii> i have no idea what
you are talking about
L23[00:20:24] <Scolar_Visari> No, you're
mistaken. This very channel predates the internet by centuries. I
created it in anticipation of there being an overly long-lived form
of internet communication.
L24[00:20:39] <Scolar_Visari> I also forgot
to make myself an Op.
L25[00:20:42] <KaMii> are you drunk?
L27[00:21:03] <Scolar_Visari> Have you ever
seen a drunk person remember capitalization and punctuation?
L29[00:21:25] <KaMii> you know, meth is a
very terrible drug, you should call the addiction network, you can
see their ad on any television commercial break
L30[00:21:49] * flo
wanders off to get popcorn
L31[00:22:11] <Scolar_Visari> You mentioned
drunk. That would require alcohol. As last I recall, meth is not
alcohol.
L32[00:22:59] <KaMii> i miss the old days
of KSP, 0.23.5 iirc was the best version ever, now things are so
screwed up... its sad
L33[00:23:14] <Scolar_Visari> Also: I could
not imagine a meth head remembering to bother using the space bar
or the keyboard in general.
L34[00:23:18] <KaMii> Scolar_Visari: I
upgraded you from alcoholic to meth addict
L35[00:23:52] <KaMii> pretty sure Jeb uses
meth
L36[00:23:54] *
Scolar_Visari would imagine meth users operating their keyboard
with all the finesse of a cave man. That is: Slamming it against
their desk.
L37[00:24:12] <KaMii> so, just like a
typical Kerbin?
L38[00:24:13] <Scolar_Visari> Jeb simply
has bad ass checked in the appropriate .ini file.
L39[00:24:43] <KaMii> that translates to
meth user
L40[00:24:56] <KaMii> pretty sure he was on
breaking bad
L41[00:24:56] <Scolar_Visari> And why 23.5?
Things are a lot better with Unity 5.
L42[00:25:20] <KaMii> 23.5 worked great for
me
L44[00:26:11] <KaMii> too many changes
lately, and some things broke, some addons not working... the
navball is too large, idk just too many changes it seems
L45[00:26:44] <Scolar_Visari> Too many
changes? Er, you're talking about a version released three years
ago. Of course there will be changes, and of course some mods would
break.
L46[00:26:59] <KaMii> I use my own Kerbal I
made, his name, Invader Zim and he is never without his trusty
sidekick, Gir
L47[00:27:16] <Scolar_Visari> Gr is not so
much a trusty sidekick as it is a force of nature.
L48[00:27:31] <KaMii> it seems the new
antennas for the latest version dont work right, idk, I had
issues
L49[00:27:40] <KaMii> and I dont like that
I cant get remote tech anymore
L50[00:27:52] <KaMii> Gir is sooo
trustworthy!
L51[00:28:23] <KaMii> Gaz is the true hero
of the universe though
L52[00:28:32] <Scolar_Visari> Are you sure
you simply don't have the latest version of RemoteTech, there was
one released just the 11th.
L53[00:28:59] <KaMii> hrm, is it not
showing up on ckan?
L55[00:29:08] <KaMii> I could not find it a
few weeks ago
L56[00:29:41] <KaMii> even thought I have
to constantly re-edit the ini files for all the antennas so they
make sense
L57[00:30:23] <Scolar_Visari> Unity 5's
Windows friendly 64 bit support is reason enough to progress to
modern versions in and of itself.
L58[00:30:55] <KaMii> I had a really nice
kerbolsystem on 23.5, every planet had at least 3 comsats orbiting
it, I had a lot of things going on, but then... the kraken
awoken!!!!!
L59[00:31:06] <KaMii> yea, I dont use
windows
L60[00:31:11] <KaMii> why would I ever use
windows?
L61[00:31:22] <Scolar_Visari> Because most
human beings with KSP do?
L62[00:31:42] <Scolar_Visari> Particularly
those that wish to play more than a hand full of games through
anything other than an emulator.
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L64[00:31:55] <KaMii> not my problem they
chose to use an inferior and expensive operating system, when they
can use a free and superior operating system
L65[00:32:12] <KaMii> more than a handful?
pft, wine works just fine in linux
L66[00:32:16] <Scolar_Visari> A free and
superior operating system is wholly irrelevant if no one makes
games for it.
L67[00:32:25] <KaMii> use wine
L68[00:32:32] <Scolar_Visari> Yeah, might
as well just use 10.
L69[00:33:04] <KaMii> i dont have any
issues, i just dont see why I should pay for an operating
system
L70[00:33:21] <KaMii> an operating system I
cannot tweak to my hearts desire
L71[00:33:41] <Scolar_Visari> Why should
you have to pay for any software? Ironically, there are versions of
Linux people pay for.
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L73[00:34:09] <KaMii> mainly its
corporations that pay, and they are paying for the tech
support
L74[00:34:17] <Althego> they pay for
support
L75[00:34:29] <Althego> not exactly worth
it
L76[00:34:43] <KaMii> because they dont
want to deal with setting things up for themselves and hire their
own team, so they run a cost analasys to figure out which is
cheaper
L77[00:35:03] <KaMii> its called
economics
L78[00:35:11] <Scolar_Visari> Well, there
you have it.
L79[00:35:14] <KaMii> theres a book about
it on amazon
L80[00:35:51] <KaMii> or you can just say,
"Alexa, buy the book about economics"
L81[00:36:12] <KaMii> idk if cortana is as
smart
L82[00:36:32] <KaMii> cortana was kewl when
she was a halo entity, now shes just pathetic
L83[00:36:46] <Scolar_Visari> Cortana was
never that cool at all.
L84[00:36:51] <KaMii> yes she was!
L85[00:37:01] <KaMii> now she is a copy
cat
L86[00:37:40] <KaMii> dont lie, you know
you were in love with cortana back on the original xbox on release
day
L87[00:37:47] <Scolar_Visari> A blatant
attempt to stick another fembot into a series with the same
faceless protaganist everyone' seen before.
L88[00:38:07] <KaMii> so all bots need to
be men?
L89[00:38:07] <Scolar_Visari> If I want a
faceless protaganist standing up all on their lonesome against
aliens or whatever, I'll stick to Doom thankyouverymuch.
L90[00:38:49] <Scolar_Visari> Aside from
Giggalo Joe, I can't recall there being a male opposite of a fembot
in popular culture, but Giggalo Joe at least had an excuse for
looking human.
L91[00:39:17] <KaMii> Master Chief wasnt
alone, he had help, albeit really shitty help that hit just 1%
better than stormtroopers, but still he had help
L92[00:39:37] <Althego> hehe
L93[00:39:42] <Althego> never played
halo
L94[00:39:48] <KaMii> i liked the first
one
L95[00:39:51] <Scolar_Visari> Language.
Also: Just as much help as Doomguy. He had demons occasionally hit
each other.
L96[00:39:54] <KaMii> i read a few of the
books, enjoyed them
L97[00:40:09] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: It
was the first, "memorable" FPS on consoles so long as you
ignore Goldeneye.
L98[00:40:22] <Althego> that must be it,
never had consoles
L99[00:40:33] <KaMii> you can get halo on
pc
L100[00:40:39] <Scolar_Visari> There was a
PC version released around the same time as the original.
L101[00:41:00] <TheKosmonaut> KaMii: pls
watch your language in this channel. Thank you.
L102[00:41:12] <KaMii> TheKosmonaut: what
are you talking about?
L103[00:41:16] <TheKosmonaut> The forum
rules apply to the Chanel as well
L104[00:41:21] <TheKosmonaut> Channel*
rather.
L105[00:41:25] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
There are plenty of other FPS that do a better job, to be frank,
like the newer Wolfensteins.
L106[00:41:29] <KaMii> we cant talk about
halo*?
L107[00:41:31] <Scolar_Visari> Or New
Doom
L108[00:41:37] <TheKosmonaut> KaMii:
please don’t be coy.
L109[00:41:47] <KaMii> i dont follow
you
L110[00:42:29] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: I
must say, too, that the new Wolfenstein's DLC sort of looks worth
buying. On sale, that is.
L111[00:43:01] <KaMii> idk, im wondering
when fps will finally get old and go away, probably never
L112[00:43:17] <TheKosmonaut> Kerbal
Shooter Program
L113[00:43:29] <Scolar_Visari> Entire
genres are difficult to kill. Even space, "sims" did not
really die out despite the Wing Commander crash.
L114[00:43:46] *
Scolar_Visari points to Freelancer and the various X
titles.
L115[00:45:30] <Rolf> Scolar_Visari: yep
just like life. you can kill off species but you're not likely to
kill off ALL life.
L116[00:45:38] <KaMii> well, time to go.
apparently you get trolled in here for saying one word...
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L118[00:45:42] <Rolf> freelancer had huge
ponental :(
L119[00:45:47] <TheKosmonaut>
“Trolled”
L120[00:45:47] <Althego> lol
L121[00:45:58] <Rolf> it was supposed to
be multi-path play but they failed
L122[00:46:17] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf: Well,
can you kill off rather large groups of related organisms.
L123[00:46:20] <Althego> thekosmonaut
walks in singing the trololo song
L124[00:46:39] <TheKosmonaut> He’s sending
me some fan mail in PM
L125[00:46:51] <Rolf> who?
L126[00:46:54] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
Inquiring minds want to know.
L127[00:47:08] <Althego> hehe
L128[00:47:09] <xShadowx> o.O
L129[00:47:14] <Rolf> umm
L130[00:47:21] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf: I
thought Freelancer was pretty good given its pretty troublesome
development history, and I did looove the story despite its
linearity (which was the norm back them).
L131[00:47:36] <xShadowx> that mustve been
some fan mail ;p
L132[00:47:43] <Rolf> sco prevuous game
has bunch of pathways but yes
L133[00:47:47] <Scolar_Visari> That bad,
eh'? I knew I smelt something.
L134[00:47:58] <Rolf> and I had fun
hacking freelancer LOL it was so easy to mod game
L135[00:48:09] <Scolar_Visari> Rolf: True,
there are *still* mods supported for the game.
L136[00:48:28] <Rolf> I added a wormhole
to star with planet that DESPERATELY needed one cheap and easy to
buy material LOL
L137[00:48:58] <Rolf> and I landed on sun
there. apparently I did not define killzone
L138[00:49:00] <Scolar_Visari> Though I
think more and more games are adopting the, "how can we make
it so people can mod this with notepad?" approach.
L139[00:49:30] *
Scolar_Visari recoils in terror upon remembering the difficulty in
modifying older Total War titles.
L140[00:50:04] <xShadowx> editing by
notepad is ok, but code is the real power ;p
L141[00:50:27] <xShadowx> that sad c# can
turn txt file of source into a class and use it.....
L142[00:50:30] <Scolar_Visari> Shadow:
Psht. Notepad is king.
L143[00:50:40] <xShadowx> notepad++ >
notepad
L144[00:50:48] <Scolar_Visari> I use
BOTH
L145[00:51:00] <Scolar_Visari> Though
Notepad++ is reserved for editing things that get jumbled in
Notepad.
L146[00:51:03] <xShadowx> my condolences
on using the latter
L147[00:51:24] *
Scolar_Visari looks warily at XCOM 2 and Stellaris files that don't
like being well ordered.
L148[00:51:29] <xShadowx> i see no value
in it ;p np++ does it all heh
L149[00:51:48] <Scolar_Visari> I like
notepad because it's simple, and because I have it on my quick
access bar.
L150[00:52:05] <xShadowx> so put np++
there ;3
L151[00:52:16] <Scolar_Visari> None of
that menu stuff cluttering up my 1920x1080 monitor.
L152[00:52:41] <Scolar_Visari> All I need
is a blinking typing icon and blank space in GLORIOUS HD.
L153[00:53:11] <xShadowx> you can turn off
menus etc
L154[00:53:19] <xShadowx> have only tabs
show
L155[00:53:20] <Scolar_Visari> For nothing
can be as true a tabula rasa as an expanded Notepad window.
L156[00:53:40] <xShadowx> also try full
screen mode ;p
L157[00:53:44] <xShadowx> F11
L158[00:53:55] <xShadowx> (for np++)
L159[00:54:08] <Scolar_Visari> I do,
however, have occassion to use Windows key left or right arrow
key.
L160[00:54:35] <Scolar_Visari> Also: My
copy of Notepad++ is under the protection of the Omnisiah and
requires the proper rites to activate.
L161[00:55:10] <Scolar_Visari> Pressing
the rune of activation before burning the appropriate insense and
applying the correct oils will invoke a haunted memory leak.
L162[00:55:26] <xShadowx> the only thing i
really wish for, is someone would make a common color settings
system, so visual studio color rules would match np++ color rules
etc
L163[00:55:47] <Scolar_Visari> And I
really wish they had Tomb Kings in Warhammer II.
L164[00:56:26] <xShadowx> i should just
drop VS since np++ can be used to compile
L165[00:57:50] *
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Chaos.
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L167[01:01:31] <Althego>
butterflies?
L168[01:01:59] <Scolar_Visari> They are
flying insects primarily known for their pollenating and nectar
consumption.
L170[01:02:47] <Scolar_Visari> Butteflies
also undergo dramatic growth cycles, starting out as caterpillars
before entombing themselves into cocoons to emerge as the winged
adults.
L171[01:03:14] <Scolar_Visari> It's a
reference to the Butterfly Effect, as seen in Life is
Strange.
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the hope of a proper Hellboy Atlantis crossover.
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L185[02:14:50] <TheKosmonaut>
Scolar_Visari: modding total war?... *shudders*
L186[02:14:56] <TheKosmonaut> Oh. He left.
:/
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L190[02:23:15] <Althego> is there a
maximum throughput of pipes and decouplers?
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L194[02:42:12] <schnobs> Althego: no. A
single fule line will suffice, no matter how many engines it
feeds.
L195[02:42:23] <schnobs> *fuel line
L196[02:42:23] <Althego> strange
L197[02:42:40] <Althego> why does it start
to deplete before the other tank would stop feeding it
L198[02:42:49] <Althego> havent seen such
thing before
L199[02:43:44] <schnobs> a) attached it in
the right place? b) check tank priorities -- the game sometimes
gets them badly wrong.
L200[02:44:00] <Althego> ah
priorities
L201[02:44:20] <Althego> i used the pipes
because i didnt want to place symmetrically looking but not
symmetric things
L202[02:44:47] <Althego> at least it was
easier to add a few small pipes than to split the tanks and
painfully put them in the same place
L203[02:45:26] <Althego> priorities are
ok
L204[02:48:54] <Althego> the combination
of the crossfeed and the pipes confused the game
L205[02:49:12] <Althego> or rather it
split the output to 2
L206[02:49:32] <Althego> i can fix it by
pipes
L207[02:49:52] <Althego> but at this point
it would be easier to put them symmetrically manually and ditch the
pipes
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L213[03:49:00] <Althego> ok this seems to
work
L214[03:49:14] <Althego> now i need to
integrate 2 stupidly shaped ships into a launcher
L215[03:49:22] <Althego> maybe not
L216[03:49:35] <Althego> but then i would
need to do 2 circularization around eve
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L218[04:06:54] <schnobs> Althego: mating
in LKO is not an option?
L219[04:07:14] <Althego> it is already
problematic to assemble them in the vab
L220[04:08:11] <Althego> because of the
unconventional shape
L221[04:08:55] <Althego> hmm, tesla
semi
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L231[05:09:16] <Kerbalyst> hi
L232[05:09:16] <Mod9000> Hello,
Kerbalyst
L233[05:09:47] <Kerbalyst> can someone
help me
L234[05:10:12] <schnobs> affirmative.
state problem.
L236[05:12:35] <schnobs> Seen that, don't
know an answer. I've got limited experience with IR and never had
that problem.
L237[05:15:02] <Kerbalyst> have you seen
gifs? i have upload 2 new replies with gifs but appears 'hidden'
yet
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L239[05:16:37] <schnobs> No gifs yet.
You're new on the forums, the first five(?) posts or so have to be
reviewed by moderators before they become visible.
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L242[05:18:43] <schnobs> Quite generally:
if your problem is a known issue, you can expect a good answer
within a day or so. It would help if you mentioned the name of the
mod in the thread title, though.
L243[05:18:58] <Kerbalyst> ok please visit
topic later and you will see the problem, maybe you can help me
later
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L248[05:54:32] <schnobs> Just btw, are
there any under-utilized part creators in attendance?
L249[05:59:35] <Deddly> Very quiet time to
be asking, unfortunately, schnobs :)
L250[06:00:59] <schnobs> I didn't really
expect an answer.... still, can't hurt to try.
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L253[06:06:16] <Deddly> Sure. Hang around
a bit and let's see who answers. What are you making?
L254[06:09:05] <schnobs> "Past
future" stuff. Hold on.
L256[06:10:21] <schnobs> I'm struggling
with the shuttles you can see in the background. There's just no
suitable cockpits.
L257[06:10:22] <Rolf> there is very bad
accient :(
L258[06:10:35] <Rolf> one of shuttles
opened cargo door improperly... :(
L259[06:10:57] <Rolf> I think I see people
floating away
L260[06:11:50] <schnobs> Nah, that's just
orbital assembly. No worries.
L261[06:12:33] <schnobs> Parts are
supposed to be lasso'd and attached. Actually, KIS/KAS handles that
part nicely.
L262[06:14:13] <schnobs> What I'm
struggling with is making a vessel that even approaches the conical
shape.
L263[06:14:53] <schnobs> There appear to
be very few sizeX->sizeY crew modules, and those I can find are
clearly pods.
L264[06:21:41] <Deddly> nice
L265[06:23:29] <Deddly> schnobs, can you
do something like that with fairings?
L266[06:25:18] <schnobs> Deddly: trying to
make a few pics, boy am i bad at this stuff.
L267[06:26:28] <Deddly> Lots of engines
there. Elon Must would be proud
L268[06:26:33] <Deddly> Musk*
L270[06:27:47] <Deddly> I count 34 engines
- same as the SpaceX concept :)
L271[06:28:05] <schnobs> what are you
looking at?
L272[06:28:21] <Deddly> The first picture
you posted
L273[06:28:31] <Deddly> Orbital
assembly
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L275[06:30:27] <schnobs> Ah, yes. The
clustering is neat, and hard to replicate with stock symmetry
modes.
L276[06:30:47] <schnobs> Though for extra
neatness, notice how the gimballing engines are linked :)
L278[06:36:47] <schnobs> That's the best I
could come up with, hiding the crew module in a fairing. I wish
there was a better solution, like, a fitting part.
L279[06:38:01] <Deddly> It is hard for me
to work out what is happening there... It would be nice to see it
with the parts all closed neatly
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L282[06:38:45] <schnobs> Deddly: hit F5 in
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L284[06:40:16] <Deddly> ah
L285[06:40:47] <Deddly> Pretty good! But I
see what you mean. You want a smooth conical shape all the
way
L286[06:41:05] <Deddly> Can't encase the
entire thing in a fairing?
L287[06:41:05] <Rolf> nice
L288[06:43:18] <schnobs> Well, I'm
supposed to open the cargo bay and unload stuff. Fairing has to end
in front of the bay or no unloading.
L289[06:44:12] <schnobs> (haven't explored
if I could just KIS-remove a faring side, or three -- anyway, that
would look even worse)
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L291[06:45:24] <schnobs> But with a
suitably-shaped crew module, I could skip that petal adapter.
L292[06:46:59] <schnobs> I'm MM-savy
enough to stretch parts (and maybe should make the cockpit
shorter), but IIRC you can't turn a tube into a cone.
L293[06:47:22] <schnobs> For that, I need
someone who knows his way around blender.
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L295[06:53:01] <Deddly> Ah
L296[06:54:02] <Deddly> Couldn't you use
the cockpit and change the settings so it holds more people?
L297[06:54:18] <Deddly> (Suitably
stretched, of course)
L298[06:56:59] <schnobs> hmmm. Now there's
an idea, didn't think of *that*
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L300[06:59:47] <Deddly> All the best with
the project. I have to go now. Have fun :)
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L305[07:08:22] <schnobs> GlassYuri:
somehow I'd rather create a huge pileup than run into that
ramp.
L306[07:09:09] <Rolf> water trashcans
would dump momenium very fast
L307[07:09:17] <Rolf> I'd rather go there
and probably live
L308[07:09:23] <Rolf> than killing
anyone
L309[07:09:37] <GlassYuri> most if not all
of the energy is supposed to go into the steel meshing at the
beginning
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L311[07:10:16] <schnobs> That's what
troubles me. Coming to a full stop in a matter of, how deep are the
cans, 3m?
L312[07:10:24] <schnobs> With a lot of
cargo behind me?
L313[07:10:44] <Rolf> it does not trouble
me.
L314[07:10:56] <Rolf> I rather die than
hurt lots people and probably kill somone
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L326[08:21:26] <Pakaran> Hey.
L327[08:21:56] <Pakaran> In stock,
circularizing around Kerbin, going to Mun, and circularizing there,
is enough to get to L2, no?
L328[08:23:48] <Althego> there is no l2 in
stock :)
L329[08:23:58] <Pakaran> I'm toying with
the idea of working towards putting a lab there semi-permanently,
though I just checked and Minmus has better science
multipliers.
L330[08:24:14] <Althego> go minmus
L331[08:24:35] <Pakaran> the problem would
be docking with it for any reason without actually crashing.
L332[08:25:09] <Althego> docking is not
that hard
L333[08:25:15] <Pakaran> Minmus has a
better science multiplier for low space than Mun, BUT that's below
30 km, and the mountains are like 8.
L334[08:25:28] <Althego> no problem, no
orbital decay in ksp
L335[08:25:41] <Pakaran> I was thinking I
could accidentally deorbit. But if I DID, it would be "deorbit
and crash in an hour, assuming I don't make a 5 m/s
correction".
L336[08:25:54] <Pakaran> And stock fuel is
cheap, even to get that high.
L337[08:26:10] <Althego> in fact you could
make it a base temporarily and then put it back into orbit
L338[08:26:44] <Pakaran> That's actually
not a bad idea. The question is whether it makes mroe sense to make
a permanent base (which could also end up being a fuel
station).
L339[08:26:58] <Pakaran> That's getting to
be a fair number of heavy modules to soft-land.
L340[08:27:23] <Pakaran> Though,
soft-landing on Minmus, even something that heavy? Really means
"don't fall 20 m, and don't tip over".
L341[08:27:52] <Althego> the frozen lakes
on minmus are good places to land
L342[08:28:01] <Pakaran> I'm really just
thinking ahead.
L343[08:28:43] <Pakaran> A rover there
would be fun.
L344[08:29:11] <Althego> the lower the
gravity the harder it is to drive on the surface
L345[08:29:15] <Pakaran> Just put a
scientist on, and DRIVE between biomes. They're, what, 10km
across?
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L347[08:29:28] <Pakaran> Ah, because you
end up flipping when you hit bumps?
L348[08:29:47] <Althego> there is the
video where the guy jumps back to kerbin with a rover from
minmus
L349[08:30:59] <Pakaran> The hard part
would be ending up at the right periapse to re-enter, but not go in
vertically.
L351[08:31:41] <kmath> YouTube - Car
Jumping From Minmus To Kerbin
L352[08:31:41] <schnobs> Pakaran: unless
you positively enjoy docking, you shouldn't invest too much into a
refueling station.
L353[08:31:49] <Pakaran> You'd have to
drive retrograde at almost Minmus' orbital plus escape velocity,
but that's in the range that RL race cars do routinely.
L354[08:32:09] <Pakaran> schnobs, easier
to do an extra mission every now and then, and pay for fuel from
Kerbin?
L355[08:32:28] <schnobs> For terms of
science harvesting, it's not very hard to hie every single minmus
biome in a single, non-refueling mission.
L356[08:33:09] <Pakaran> I think what's
giving me a hard time is that my lander is based around small
radius technology, with two 400 tanks, which makes it rather
top-heavy.
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L358[08:33:13] <schnobs> After that, if
you get back to minmus, you'll do it for other reasons (ming, or
just for the heck of it, ...)
L359[08:33:19] <schnobs> *mining
L360[08:33:28] <Pakaran> nod
L361[08:33:47] <Althego> ming dynasty
:)
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L363[08:43:09] <schnobs> Pakaran: IIRC, my
last minmus science harvester looked something like this
L365[08:43:18] <schnobs> (quick
mock-up)
L366[08:43:48] <Althego> the landercans
look strange
L367[08:44:13] <schnobs> The nuke, too.
Ven's.
L368[08:44:40] <Althego> i see that is
from a mod, but the cans are almost like stock but not
completely
L369[08:44:50] <ve2dmn> it looks very... I
don't know... russian?
L370[08:44:53] <Pakaran> nice.
L371[08:46:21] <schnobs> Due to heavy
modding I can't tell you the dV, but it's a *lot*. Collect science
in triplicate and be done with it.
L372[08:47:08] <schnobs> However, getting
bob up there to reset the Science Jr might be a bit of a hassle if
you don't have a mod for it.
L373[08:47:28] <Pakaran> Yeah, like I
said, fuel in stock is cheap.
L374[08:47:33] <Althego> i usually place
the science equipment close to a door
L375[08:48:59] <Pakaran> What I like to do
is use downward jetpack to more or less "stand on" the
jets, and then move horizontally as needed (say, up to the science
stuff).
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L384[09:34:57] <kmath> YouTube - Factorio
- Sandstorm
L385[09:36:24] <Eddi|zuHause> what's that
song they're playing in the video? :p
L386[09:36:55] <GlassYuri> drowning pool -
bodies
L387[09:40:00] <schnobs> no knowing
factorio, I cannot even begin to comprehend what the video is
about.
L388[09:41:06] <Eddi|zuHause> schnobs: in
the quickest way i can imagine: factorio is 2D minecraft
L389[09:41:18] <Eddi|zuHause> with lots of
automation
L390[09:41:35] <schnobs> I've just noticed
the "how it was made" link and start to understand.
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L399[10:20:27] <technicalfool> Factorio is
distilled Redstone. >.>
L400[10:22:57] <ve2dmn> ^ pretty
much
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L417[11:50:03] <xShadowx> everything
factorio is basicly <item on belt> -> robotic arm moves it
into <factory> -> <factory> changes to diff item
-> robotic arm moves to belt, repeat with different
<factory>
L418[11:50:56] <schnobs> I'm having a
problem with proc fairing sides falling off at the slightest
provocation.
L419[11:50:57] <xShadowx> minecrack didnt
have robotic arms, so nothing alike :P
L420[11:51:34] <UmbralRaptor> Factorio is
like a Zachtronics game, but bigger?
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L424[11:56:41] <Althego> the downside of
the internet: every idiot has a voice, even conspiracy
theorists
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L426[11:58:59] <ve2dmn> *sigh*
L427[11:59:23] <schnobs> Draconiator:
thank you so much for bringing it to my attention.
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L429[12:00:26] <schnobs> really, linking
to rubbish doesn't help one bit.
L430[12:00:54] <JCB> ....
L431[12:01:10] <Draconiator> I just
thought it was incredible that DECADES AFTER, something like this
is STILL going around.
L432[12:01:17] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly
certain humans never landed on the mun
L433[12:02:16] <Eddi|zuHause> Draconiator:
how many decades is "elvis is still alive" now a
thing?
L434[12:02:51] <Eddi|zuHause> maybe elvis
visited hitler on the dark side of the moon?
L435[12:02:54] <Draconiator> Even more
lol
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L437[12:05:28] <xShadowx> ya all those
silly 'planet is round' people get to talk and waste our time
L438[12:05:44] <Althego> surely you are
joking mr eddie :)
L439[12:05:50] <xShadowx> good thing squad
appologized and admitted it was false!
L440[12:05:57] <ve2dmn> xShadowx: you mean
the conference?
L441[12:06:05] <Draconiator> I'm still
waiting for a news article that reads "Flat Earther on space
station dooms crew by opening airlock, stated 'the ISS is fake'
minutes before"
L442[12:06:06] <xShadowx> ve2dmn: ?
L443[12:06:17] <xShadowx> hahaha
L444[12:06:23] <Althego> hehe
L446[12:06:47] <Althego> it is an airlock,
that would doom only the person opening the outer door
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L449[12:09:12] *
schnobs is searching for the flick where someone wants to dig an
escape tunnel from the space station
L450[12:09:30] <schnobs> can't find
it.
L451[12:09:39] <ve2dmn> ????
L452[12:10:22] <schnobs> 'twas some kind
of comedy.
L453[12:10:47] <schnobs> People detained
in space, someone reading the count of monte christo, ...
L454[12:11:06] <schnobs> Movie wasn't that
good, I guess it's better to imagine than to watch it.
L455[12:12:29] <JCB> fake news site tries
to redirect... hmm.. suspecious
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L462[12:35:43] <Draconiator>
uhhh....
L463[12:35:45] <Draconiator> �Is NASA
lying?� We believe that government space agencies are taking
creative liberties with your tax dollars and producing misleading
materials. Did you know that all images of the earth which show a
curved horizon or a spherical shape are:
L464[12:35:45] <Draconiator> Computer
Generated Images (CGI, proven with photoshop programs and
analysis),
L465[12:35:46] <Draconiator> Artistic
Renderings (acknowledged by NASA), or
L466[12:35:46] <Draconiator> Captured via
fisheye/wide-angle curved lens (producing a curved
appearance)
L467[12:35:59] <Draconiator> Okay, YOU go
to Mars and take a picture.
L468[12:36:59] <Althego> the fisheye
explanation does not hold up. if a line goes through the denter it
will still eb a straight line if it was straight to begin with. and
there are videos there where you can see such lines curved
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L473[12:39:13] <xShadowx> proof of fake
moon landing ^
L474[12:41:07] <schnobs> still one of my
favorites :)
L475[12:41:41] <Althego> i like that
gif
L476[12:41:58] <Althego> i still dont know
how they put the picture on duna
L477[12:42:04] <schnobs> who did that,
btw? Someone we (still) know?
L478[12:42:07] <Althego> unless with post
manipulation
L479[12:42:37] <xShadowx> either hyperedit
or just landed parts
L480[12:42:48] <Althego> no, i mean the
picture
L481[12:42:50] <xShadowx> or a few mods
put ksc on duna
L482[12:42:53] <Althego> you cant put
pictures on parts
L483[12:43:00] <xShadowx> yes you
can
L484[12:43:04] <Althego> except for the
logo
L485[12:43:05] <xShadowx> texture~
L486[12:43:25] <Althego> so manipulatipn
of parts
L487[12:43:29] *
xShadowx knocks on Althego's head
L488[12:43:49] <xShadowx> i have no dout
its a custom part
L489[12:43:57] <xShadowx> non stock
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L491[12:45:19] <xShadowx> looks like its
just a cube of the right dimensions
L492[12:45:30] <xShadowx> toss on a
screenshot
L493[12:47:28] <ve2dmn> dammit... I forgot
to add ore container to my asteroid pusher and now I can't extract
anything :/
L494[12:47:59] <xShadowx> ST TOS actors
are old now o.o
L495[12:48:15] <Eddi|zuHause> * schnobs is
searching for the flick where someone wants to dig an escape tunnel
from the space station <-- but you don't mean the tunnel to the
moon meat mine?
L496[12:48:20] <xShadowx> lookin at one of
their recent ST fan movies, lol
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L498[12:50:40] <Eddi|zuHause> TOS aired
like 50 years ago?
L499[12:50:51] <xShadowx> yep
L500[12:50:54] <Althego> morethan that
now
L501[12:51:04] <xShadowx> 67
L502[12:51:27] <Eddi|zuHause> my mother
watched that...
L503[12:51:28] <Althego> the escape tunnel
in top secret :)
L504[12:51:45] <xShadowx> escape tunnel in
ST VOY :P
L505[12:52:34] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even
remember most of VOY anymore, it's also been quite a while
now
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L507[12:53:21] <Eddi|zuHause> it's like
there were 10 good episodes, and you only watched the rest because
it was ST
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double-episodes twice)
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L511[12:54:51] <ConductorCat> :3
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L513[12:57:33] <UmbralRaptor> ;8ball Was
Zuma full of unamused octopi?
L514[12:57:34] <kmath> UmbralRaptor: Yes
definitely
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L517[13:07:17] <ve2dmn> "about half
of the people you meet are above the median"
L518[13:12:21] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
think that is actually true
L519[13:12:46] <Eddi|zuHause> if you're
above/below the median, chances are high that the people around you
are also above/below the median
L520[13:12:51] <schnobs> where's the logs
again, the ones that a mod developer might be interested in?
L521[13:12:59] <schnobs> (linux)
L522[13:13:15] <Eddi|zuHause>
r-shift+f12?
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L525[13:20:47] <schnobs> got it,
~/.config/unity3d/Squad/Kerbal\ Space\ Program/Player.log
L526[13:20:56] <schnobs> wasn't there
another...?
L527[13:27:20] <ve2dmn> There's more then
one
L528[13:28:14] <schnobs> nah, I think
player.log is what I need. The useless one is KSP.log in the game
directory.
L529[13:28:27] <schnobs> anyhooo, goot
run. bye!
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L558[15:23:14] <APlayer> ve2dmn: Some
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L559[15:23:49] <APlayer> Anyway, I'm off
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L589[17:27:11] <Mathuin> For some reason
MJ is going a little bit insane. Got into a 150k x 90k orbit, want
to circularize at 150k, and it starts with the right vector but the
magnitude just continually increases
L590[17:27:19] <Mathuin> Any idea
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L595[17:30:52] <Mathuin> The wild increase
is in the navball's maneuvering node tag.
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L597[17:35:13] <Mathuin> Letting it
actually try that maneuver ended up in a 550 x -21 orbit, with the
former number increasing faster than the latter, and the latter
coming up sooner. :-)
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L601[17:45:10] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L602[17:45:36] <legion> ello
L604[17:54:33] <JCB> anyone mess around
with 'cruise missile' style launch systems?
L605[18:00:56] <Supernovy> I don't know
what you mean by that
L606[18:01:16] <JCB> winged missile with
payload on the end
L607[18:01:32] <JCB> rather than rocket..
more like rocket powered plane, that gets ditched when gets near
orbit.
L608[18:02:03] <JCB> I don't know.. was
just messing around with some ideas. turns out once you get the
balancing act figured out, seems to be pretty successful
L609[18:06:07] <Supernovy> I've done
rocketplanes, usually in early career mode to get Kerbals into
space.
L610[18:06:51] <Supernovy> Usually
vertical launch is more efficient, and horizontal launch is used to
take advantage of jets, so I don't know what the selling point
is.
L611[18:07:36] <JCB> kinda done a few SSTO
rocket planes... guess it helps bring the whole thing back down and
possibly reuse it
L612[18:07:52] <JCB> mostly small crafts
though
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L614[18:26:36] <xShadowx> ssto are nice,
toss in KAS to attach new cargo and refuel
L615[18:27:00] <xShadowx> IR+KAS
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L618[18:29:40] <JCB> I've done a couple of
small SSTO planes.. one has only a 1ton cargo capacity.. be useful
for crew transfers and supplies if had inventory system
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L624[19:07:09] <ve2dmn> how many biomes
does Eeloo has?
L625[19:07:43] <tawny> 11, according to
the wiki
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L627[19:10:05] <JPLRepo> 11 is
correct.
L628[19:10:20] <ve2dmn> I just unlocked
RTG and the windows for Eeloo is soon...
L629[19:10:33] <tawny> nice
L630[19:14:37] <Pakaran> What does it mean
if I get "exception of type ckan.kraken" when trying to
apply changes (updating everything, after not checking for a month
or so)?
L631[19:15:58] <Pakaran> I installed the
recommended mono version (though I choose the 64 bit one without
GTK#, don't know if that matters?)
L632[19:16:04] <JCB> eeloo flight.. hmm..
how long..
L633[19:16:30] <Pakaran> In any case, I
hit continue after the exception, ckan hangs at "about to
install".
L634[19:17:23] <tawny> Pakaran, do you
have error logs
L635[19:17:32] <Pakaran> where would they
be?
L636[19:17:46] <Pakaran> I'll chec the
ckan subdir of the install, hang on
L637[19:18:45] <Pakaran> I don't see
anything?
L638[19:19:07] <tawny> hm
L639[19:20:35] <tawny> I don't remember
how to get ckan logs >.> but iirc the most likely cause of
that problem is that it's trying to install a mod that's not in the
repository (and maybe one that doesn't even exist?)
L640[19:21:04] <Pakaran> I know there's
two mods that were listed as having prereqs that didn't exist in an
earlier error message. I'll try specifically uninstalling those
two.
L641[19:21:26] <Pakaran> (The two optional
mods from near future... decaying RTGs and somethng else
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L643[19:22:48] <JCB> mini rtg's I saw in
another parts pac
L644[19:22:53] <tawny> god now I'm having
mod problems too
L645[19:23:01] <JCB> guessing ksp hasn't
dealt with radiation effects yet huh?
L646[19:23:17] <tawny> for some reason
SMURFF stops working entirely with interstellar fuel switch
installed
L647[19:23:29] <Pakaran> JCB, perhaps
kerbals are some form of lichen that actually benefit from
it?
L648[19:23:29] <tawny> or.... wait, no, it
only stops working for the fuel tanks
L649[19:23:30] <tawny> huh
L650[19:24:05] <Pakaran> I'm going to see
if CKAN works fine on my current mostly-stock install.
L651[19:24:58] <Pakaran> it does, but
there's no updayes
L652[19:25:04] <Pakaran> updates
L653[19:26:23] <Pakaran> sigh, now the
changeset shows up blank. I think I need to download a new 1.2
install from Steam, and re-mod it from scratch :/
L654[19:28:58] <JCB> wait.. lichen makes
use of radiation?
L655[19:30:08] <Pakaran> there was one
type found in Chernobyl that apparently used ionizing radiation as
an energy source.
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L660[19:36:07] <JCB> or that movie..
andromeda syndrom
L661[19:36:28] <JCB> fed off anything..
radiation, matter... but died if the PH changed
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L663[19:41:16] <kuzetsa> *strain
L664[19:41:51] <JCB> sorry its been a
while
L665[19:41:53] <JCB> was also remake
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L667[19:58:59] <taniwha> it is believed
that humans may benefit from small amounts of radiation
L668[19:59:24] <taniwha> well, more
suspected than believed
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L670[20:01:49] <UmbralRaptor> Data at the
relevant exposure levels is deeply confusing, IIRC.
L671[20:02:45] <taniwha> yeah, mostly due
to not having sufficient data for low levels
L672[20:03:23] <taniwha> what I read
indicated that the effects of low level exposure was merely
extrapolated from the effects of high levels
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L674[20:21:44] <JCB> mm....
L675[20:21:56] <JCB> 630.. well guess glad
days is draging along
L676[20:22:01] <Mathuin> TIL KSP has a
launcher
L677[20:24:10] <Neal> I learned that last
week and have played ksp since 2012
L678[20:24:21] <JCB> ugh the
launcher
L679[20:24:27] <UmbralRaptor> Don't use
it.
L680[20:24:41] <Mathuin> Steam is normally
my launcher, but I'm playing without Steam so my wife can play
Girls Like Robots.
L681[20:25:02] <kuzetsa> last I checked,
the launcher had a broken rsync-based updater which never got
fixed
L682[20:25:06] <taniwha> why would you
want to use a launcher anyway?
L683[20:25:18] <kuzetsa> taniwha:
incremental updates is a good reason IMO
L684[20:25:48] <JCB> I got game direct
from Squad... not on steam
L685[20:26:06] <kuzetsa> same
L686[20:26:14] <kuzetsa> the non-steam
launcher has an updater (in theory)
L687[20:26:14] <UmbralRaptor> same
L688[20:26:45] <taniwha> same
L689[20:27:00] <taniwha> still, why use a
launcher?
L690[20:27:17] <JCB> people are just
people.. do their own thing
L691[20:27:48] <JCB> when I found steam
version auto updates, and some upates changed too much, was like..
nopenopenope
L692[20:30:25] <Mathuin> Oddly enough, the
only game of mine that auto-updates that makes me sad is
Minecraft.
L693[20:30:31] <Mathuin> In general, I'm
happy with auto-updates.
L694[20:31:15] <taniwha> it's not the
auto-updates, it's the unnecessary step
L695[20:31:23] <Mathuin> Also, I got the
game from Squad but put it in my Steam library.
L696[20:31:32] <Mathuin> I recently
re-learned that when doing some reddit survey for KSP
L697[20:34:29] <JCB> grumble... firefox
update... >_<
L698[20:34:41] <JCB> thankfully wasn't
quite a giant leap in changes on waterfox (64bit)
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L701[20:41:13] ***
fam_away is now known as fam
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L703[21:02:11] <lpg> hey now, quantum
stuff is great
L704[21:02:14] <lpg> UI changes...
understandable
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L708[21:19:55] <JCB> I kind of liked how
things were... the 'open new blank tab' thing was changed a bit,
kinda got me. Though was easily changed back.
L709[21:21:14] <ConductorCat> :3
L710[21:25:55] <JCB> at least they didn't
start throwing ads all over the place.
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L726[23:46:32] <Glass|phone> I'm looking
for a parts pack from around the .14 or so era, it was
soviet/russian themed and had very detailed rocket and station
parts
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L728[23:48:09] <Glass|phone> the author
was called "cardboardboxprocessor", I remember that
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L730[23:59:08] <Mathuin> Designed a relay
probe -- biggest-antenna | probe core | battery | fuel | engine --
and used structural components to put them on a fairing. Wrapped
the fairing around, and realized I can take *four* instead of
two.
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