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L1[00:00:18] <Scolar_Visari> For instance:
Hagakure roughly translates into "in the shadow of the
leaves". I'm not sure what to make of the fact that there's
actually a single word for that one thing, other than the
possibility that Japanese children really like playing in piles of
raked up leaves?
L2[00:01:02] <taniwha> it's not really one
word
L3[00:01:39] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha: It is
in English!
L4[00:01:57] <Althego> hehe
L5[00:02:13] <Scolar_Visari> English is the
Borg of languages, if you will.
L6[00:02:39] <taniwha> ha is leaf, kure
probably has something to do with shadow, and ga is the old form of
the possessive "no"
L7[00:02:41] <Scolar_Visari> It will adapt
your cultural and biological distinctiveness to its own collective
of horrendously abused loan words.
L8[00:03:00] <GlassYuri|School> taniwha:
jisho.org says 葉 and 隠れる
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L11[00:03:22] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha: I'm
afraid that's no longer true since it's been added to the
Collective.
L12[00:03:32] <GlassYuri|School> so noun +
verb stem like so many other difficult to translate terms
L13[00:03:47] *
Scolar_Visari still ponders how butchered the more familiar Greek
term, "hubris" has become.
L14[00:03:49] <taniwha> ah, close. ha is
leaf as I said, but gakure is from kakureru
L15[00:03:55] <taniwha> ie, to darken
L16[00:04:15] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Soon
to launch in 2018?
L17[00:04:36] <taniwha> anyway, leafy
shadows works well :P
L18[00:05:08] <Scolar_Visari> taniwha: It
sounds less profound, particularly if you're writing a book on
samurai things. Like to retire at 50 because you're be too
senile.
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L20[00:05:25] <GlassYuri|School> taniwha: I
haven't even heard 隠れる before... I mean sure intransitive form of
隠す but
L21[00:05:45] <Althego> no information
about actual launch
L22[00:05:48] <flo> chingchang-good morning
*!*@*
L23[00:05:54] <Althego> probably long way
off
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L25[00:06:03] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: No,
it was mentioned in another article.
L26[00:06:09] <flo> last nights launch was
a success btw? spacex?
L27[00:06:12] <flo> didnt read up yet
L28[00:06:27] <Scolar_Visari> Now
2020.
L29[00:06:42] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: It
could be worse. Most spaceplanes never into space.
L30[00:07:09] <Althego> i know of only
2
L31[00:07:25] <taniwha> GlassYuri|School:
if you want to really push your Japanese, study 古語
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L34[00:08:30] <Scolar_Visari> flo: The last
orbital rocket launches were a CZ-4C on the 14th and an Antares
launch of a Cygnus vehicle to the Space Station on the 12th.
L35[00:08:52] <Scolar_Visari> GlassYuri:
Clearly you need to rewrite your game into Esperanto.
L36[00:08:53] <tawny> flo, it didn't
launch, it got pushed to the backup launch window friday at 8
EST
L37[00:09:08] <GlassYuri|School> taniwha:
sure would be interesting to do, but I feel like learning mandarin
instead would be more useful
L38[00:09:12] <tawny> which I think is like
1 UTC on saturday
L39[00:09:21] <Scolar_Visari> GlassYuri:
Esperanto is the future!
L40[00:09:22] <Althego> esperanto? no, wee
need some universal binary languageú
L41[00:09:45] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
That'd be far too irritating. I'm not sure I could stand to
communicate with chirping.
L42[00:10:30] <Althego> hehe
L43[00:10:37] <Althego> slow it down
L44[00:10:43] <Althego> then it is not
chirping anymore
L45[00:10:45] <GlassYuri|School>
Scolar_Visari: honestly esperanto has been superseded by
emoji
L46[00:10:49] <Scolar_Visari> Unless you're
really just wanting people to literally say, "one zero one
zero etc).
L47[00:10:56] <Althego> information content
of human speach is only a few bits per second
L48[00:11:12] <Scolar_Visari> GlassYuri: In
no language is the poop emoji going to supersede speech.
L49[00:11:20] <taniwha> GlassYuri|School:
unless you use Japanese materials, it won't push your
Japanese
L50[00:11:42] <taniwha> (but using Japanese
materials is likely to ruin any chance of making yourself
understood in China)
L51[00:11:43] <Scolar_Visari> Besides, poop
emoji's not really a universal spoken word.
L52[00:11:49] <Althego> hehe
L53[00:12:07] <Scolar_Visari> "Hey,
poop emoji facepalm!" "Yeah, poop emoji, man!"
L54[00:12:21] <Althego> dont worry, people
already talk like this online
L55[00:12:32] <Scolar_Visari> I'll have you
know I NEVER use emojis.
L56[00:12:45] <Scolar_Visari> Such ruffian
behavior is unbecoming a poorly programmed IRC bot.
L57[00:12:49] <oren> esperanto is a
terrible prototype for an international language
L58[00:13:01] <Scolar_Visari> oren: It was
either that or interpretive dance.
L59[00:13:18] <GlassYuri|School> taniwha:
yeah but I'd rather speak okay japanese and bad chinese than being
able to talk japanese with people who died 600 years ago
L60[00:13:21] <Althego> does interpretive
dance exist? i always hear it as a joke
L62[00:13:53] <taniwha> GlassYuri|School:
don't worry, you would not be able to speak with Japanese people
who died 600 years ago
L63[00:14:00] <oren> this guy wrote a
detailed explanation as to the many many flaws of esperanto
L64[00:14:12] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Yes,
it is a thing. They, rather amusingly, had it featured during one
of the more recent Academy Awards as an accompaniment to the best
original score category.
L65[00:14:18] <GlassYuri|School> "Here
in Scotland I've met more Klingon speakers than Esperantists!"
lol
L66[00:14:43] <taniwha> The Japanese
"abuse" of pronunciation extends to their own language
:P
L67[00:14:49] <flo> tawny, Scolar_Visari
thank you sirs
L68[00:14:55] <Althego> hehe, klingon
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L70[00:15:02] <tawny> oh I'm not a
sir
L71[00:15:05] <Althego> it is intentionally
made so that it is not resembeling human languages
L72[00:15:08] <flo> thank you ma'am
L73[00:15:11] <flo> *tips hat*
L74[00:15:15] *
Scolar_Visari is not even a human being
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L76[00:15:17] <Althego> lol
L77[00:15:24] <Althego> he is a gut, but
not a sir
L78[00:15:26] <Althego> guy
L79[00:15:32] <flo> oh well
L80[00:15:36] <Scolar_Visari> Huh . . . My
fedora sensor array just registered something.
L81[00:15:38] <flo> on the internet nobody
knows if you're a sir or not
L82[00:16:15] <oren> "It looks like
some sort of wind‐up‐toy Czech/Italian pidgin." <-- my
favoerte part
L83[00:16:15] <Scolar_Visari> flo: I
thought everyone else already agreed that I am an IRC bot
not-so-cunningly disguised as a fossil that somehow still uses IRC
in 2017.
L84[00:16:47] <flo> ...that uses
chatzilla
L85[00:16:49] <Scolar_Visari> oren: That's
also, coincidentally, the basis for the fictional language of the
titular Fifth Element.
L86[00:16:55] <flo> what bnad must a
chatzilla bot be? :-D
L87[00:16:57] <flo> :-D :-D
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L89[00:17:05] <flo> (disregard me, just had
coffee, also it is friday)
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L91[00:17:10] <Scolar_Visari> flo: It was
all my programmer had. MIRC would've been too hipster.
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L93[00:17:33] <Althego> chatzilla was
deprecated in the recent firefox release
L94[00:17:37] <flo> mIRC<->hipster is
like trump<->agoodpresident
L95[00:17:38] <Althego> too bad, i liked
it
L96[00:17:45] <flo> theres irssi
L97[00:17:45] <Althego> although it was
never my main client
L98[00:17:47] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: I,
ah, don't think I have the most recent version of Mozilla.
L99[00:17:49] <flo> i wonder why people
need other clients.
L101[00:17:58] <flo> ok, mirc, irssi,
xchat
L102[00:18:02] <GlassYuri|School> oren: my
favorite part so far is "Or the UN could hire a linguist or
two and get a language purpose‐built, the way Hollywood now
routinely does for fantasy movies!"
L103[00:18:04] <HotSpicySausage> hexchat
is the best
L104[00:18:08] <flo> i don't think the
world needs more
L105[00:18:12] <Althego> rather than
xchat, hexchat
L106[00:18:20] <flo> mirc has the best
scripting engine if you ask me
L107[00:18:23] <Scolar_Visari> GlassYuri:
They already have one. It's called power!
L108[00:18:23] <HotSpicySausage> xchat is
discontinued as far as i know
L109[00:18:27] <flo> while irssi is a
superior client
L110[00:18:31] <flo> theres also
weechat
L111[00:18:33] <Althego> i liked the
default dfeatures in chatzilla, that no fucking client has to this
day
L112[00:18:38] <flo> but weechat is what i
consider 'hipster'
L113[00:18:43] <Althego> oh sorry
L114[00:18:45] <Althego> languiage
L115[00:18:52] <Scolar_Visari> flo: The
problem is that the world needs something better than the
notoriously unsecure IRC.
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L117[00:18:58] <flo> Scolar_Visari:
nope
L118[00:19:04] <flo> Scolar_Visari: IRC is
the healing of the free world
L119[00:19:06] <technicalfool>
*coff*
L120[00:19:11] <Althego> alike it renames
me back once the primary nick pings out
L121[00:19:28] <flo> Althego: every client
has that
L122[00:19:28] <Althego> i want this in
everything
L123[00:19:30] <flo> my irssi does.
L124[00:19:32] <flo> xchat does.
L125[00:19:34] <Althego> yes, i can script
them, in some random languages
L126[00:19:37] <flo> (on my GFs
macbook)
L127[00:19:38] <Althego> but this should
be a basic feature
L128[00:19:45] <flo> mirc does that
too
L129[00:19:48] <Althego> it doesnt
L130[00:19:54] <Althego> i used mirc for
liek 10 years
L131[00:19:54] <Scolar_Visari> IRC is
painfully, woefully quaint. Its retention for internet
communication is akin to using semaphores in lieu of
telephones.
L132[00:19:57] <flo> me too
L133[00:20:00] <flo> but thats 10 yrs
back
L134[00:20:03] <flo> so i guess you're
right
L135[00:20:12] <Althego> irssi probably
has some bloat extension script for it
L136[00:20:28] <flo> actually, a
1liner
L138[00:20:34] <Althego> no, i used it
until maybe 2 years ago
L139[00:20:57] <Althego> also i am annoyed
to hell with hexchat copying selected text
L140[00:21:05] <flo> thats standard unix
behaviour
L141[00:21:09] <Althego> i dont care
L142[00:21:13] <Althego> dont implement it
in windows
L143[00:21:13] <Scolar_Visari> It's funny
how most websites have transitioned to mobile friendly versions of
HTML, but Heaven forbid smaller communities transition away from
IRC.
L144[00:21:13] <flo> but yes i couldnt
really stand it too
L145[00:21:27] <flo> Scolar_Visari:
IRC>*
L146[00:21:31] <flo> i've found my WIFE on
irc
L147[00:21:35] <flo> try and stop
irc
L148[00:21:38] <flo> and you will be
stopped
L149[00:21:41] <flo> quite
definitely
L150[00:21:42] <Althego> yes, irc will be
here long after facebook died off
L151[00:21:54] <Scolar_Visari> Althego: Or
Myspace amirite?
L152[00:22:11] <flo> or vkontakte
L153[00:22:22] <flo> i wonder if i should
sign up with my bljat friends version of FB
L154[00:22:22] <technicalfool> IRC's
simplicity helps. You can practically run a client on a pocket
calculator and a server on not much more.
L155[00:22:40] <flo> technicalfool:
another use case, i run a webradio since ~20yrs. our main control
channel is IRC, via a bot
L156[00:22:53] <Althego> icq died, msn
died, facebook will die too, irc survived all
L157[00:23:00] <flo> technicalfool: no
other software was asble to provide a simple and
reggae-dj-compatible interface like IRC did to us
L158[00:23:15] <flo> over _many_ years,
nobody that wasnt able to handle it by some point
L159[00:23:21] <flo> it is just superiorly
easy
L160[00:23:27] <flo> whats next-gen irc?
slack?
L161[00:23:34] <flo> now THAT are serious
hipster excrements
L162[00:23:36] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Though I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised. Reddit become very
popular in a very short period of time despite having a layout
worse than mid-90's message boards.
L163[00:23:49] <Althego> hehe
L164[00:24:00] <Althego> it ws never
popular among me :)
L165[00:24:02] <flo> well, reddit
stays
L166[00:24:03] <oren> mid 90's message
boards were great
L167[00:24:14] <Gasher[work]>
technicalfool, that means that those pocket calculators are
themselves bloated :D
L168[00:24:15] <oren> I miss being able to
use arbitrary HTML
L169[00:24:16] <technicalfool> Slack and
Discord are like Pro and Home versions of the same sort of thing.
:P
L170[00:24:18] <flo> i miss my bbses
:<
L171[00:24:26] *
Scolar_Visari really should use a time machine to erase whoever
developed Reddit's visually painful and horrifyingly inconvenient
layout.
L172[00:24:33] <Althego> still not is.
sometimes people link from reddit, i dont like it, i dont know what
to make of it, and it seems pointless
L174[00:24:56] <flo> i wonder what'd
happen if the author discovered some places in IRC
L175[00:24:59] <Althego> no, there should
be time traveling to eliminate what the web has become: js, php,
css
L176[00:24:59] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Most of Reddit is a morass of pain and hatred.
L177[00:25:04] <flo> would she commit
instant suicide?
L178[00:25:14] <Scolar_Visari> flo: Better
watch it there.
L179[00:25:29] <flo> nah, that was a
serious question on my end
L180[00:25:57] <flo> nowadays people tend
to bloat anything
L181[00:25:59] <Scolar_Visari> That does
not improve your situation.
L182[00:26:11] <flo> and concerning
sexism, these days, is a super popular subject.
L183[00:26:16] <flo> or... touching
minors.
L184[00:26:23] <Althego> lol
L185[00:26:33] *
Scolar_Visari should probably shine the Op signal.
L186[00:26:37] <Althego> it sounded like
the deed itself is popular
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L188[00:26:52] <Althego> rather than the
topic in talks
L189[00:27:09] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Something something all publicity good something something no
publicity badf.
L190[00:27:29] <technicalfool> er,
quite.
L191[00:27:59] <Althego> badf is like
bads? :)
L192[00:28:59] <Scolar_Visari> It's what
happens when 18th and 17th Century typesetters don't want to spend
the money on a lower case "s" and make "f" do
double duty.
L193[00:29:39] <Scolar_Visari> Though this
is typically with the italicized f. You know, the one that looks
like a snake with wings.
L194[00:30:34] <Scolar_Visari> For the
same effect on an older message board, you can do this: [i]f[/i].
Or you can just go into Word or something.
L195[00:30:35] <flo> Scolar_Visari: you
should maybe just set the rules to 'no discussion but game-related'
for ease of understanding
L196[00:30:43] <flo> that would kill all
off-topic conversation right from the start
L197[00:30:53] <flo> i know places need
rules
L198[00:30:58] <flo> i just feel it is a
bit overdone here.
L199[00:31:06] <Scolar_Visari> flo: IRC is
primarily off topic, the problem is your particular topic.
Likewise, rules are linked in the topic
L200[00:32:54] <flo> you should have
REALLY saved time and energy by setting the rules stricter.
L201[00:33:47] <Scolar_Visari> Me? Er . .
. I'm not entirely sure why you're directing this to me.
L202[00:34:08] <taniwha> flo: you could
save even more time and energy by knowing when to quit
L204[00:34:45] <flo> s/you/you guys/ to
clear that up
L205[00:34:48] <schnobs> flo: if you're
old enough to read fefe's blog, you're also old enogh to know that
sexism pushes a lot of buttons.
L206[00:34:58] <schnobs> Not only with
feminists.
L207[00:35:25] <flo> schnobs: well, your
way of writing that line isnt really not-pushing buttons
either
L208[00:35:31] <schnobs> Mods have learned
to nip it in the bud. I wonder how *that* happened?
L209[00:35:32] <flo> (but yes, thats
true)
L210[00:35:33] <Scolar_Visari> To be
frank, the rules here are probably not as heavily enforced as they
are on the forums, but they have been enforced in the case of clear
violations.
L211[00:35:34] <taniwha> also old enough
you should know that button pushing is not the wisest course of
action
L212[00:37:15] <flo> one thing that occurs
to me - which made me wonder (i can assure you i am a sane, grown
up being) is the fact that of all places on IRC where i'm in, this
is the ONLY one that requires me to act differently to adhere to
rules. where as a lot of other places do have rules, i have never
encountered a rule set that is actually acted to in a way you
do
L213[00:37:38] <flo> now while this is
hard to me to differentiate at times, i DO totally understand the
necessity for the rules.
L214[00:37:45] <flo> ....ehm. sorry.
L215[00:38:58] <technicalfool> Mostly
because that's how Squad like it and it's the only IRC channel
linked directly from the forum front page.
L216[00:39:40] <Althego> i whish they
would spend some time here
L217[00:39:43] <flo> from a personal
experience of administering irc channels:
L218[00:39:47] <flo> make it
reg-only
L219[00:39:57] <flo> you'll lose 50% of
chatters
L220[00:40:01] <flo> but gain 200% of
quality
L221[00:40:02] <Althego> at least taniwha
was here when he was a dev
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L223[00:40:45] <Gasher[work]> oh lol you
brought some current hot topic here flo? :D
L224[00:40:46] <Althego> but he was there
before he became dev
L225[00:41:03] <flo> Gasher[work]: with
force, obviously. i wasn't even
L226[00:41:23] *
Scolar_Visari is of the mind that most IRC channels are actually
99% idlers.
L227[00:41:30] <Gasher[work]> i prefer
discussing battlecruisers rather than that
L228[00:41:49] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher: But
battlecruisers are inferior to full post-Dreadnought
battleships!
L229[00:41:50] <schnobs> Anyway, for me,
one week of nightshifts is over and I'm gonna hit the sack. Too
worn out to have meta-discussions.
L230[00:41:59] <schnobs> Feierabend!
L231[00:42:04] <Gasher[work]> later
L232[00:42:20] <flo> schoenen feierabend,
schnobs
L233[00:42:24] <Gasher[work]> don't hit
your sack too hard - it might cause irreversible damage
L234[00:42:52] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher: You
can repair that by sending a Repair Corvette or Support Frigate to
it.
L235[00:42:52] <Ezko_> flo: the biggest
networks don't even have a reg-only thing
L236[00:42:57] <Ezko_> ircnet, quakenet,
freenode
L237[00:43:07] *
Scolar_Visari teehees at quakenet.
L238[00:43:20] <technicalfool> how's EFnet
doing these days?
L239[00:43:23] <taniwha> fleenode :P
L240[00:43:26] <flo> at least qnet works,
comapred to euirc :|
L241[00:43:35] <TheKosmonaut> Althego:
don’t think I didn’t see you drop a Fbomb in here. I’m watching you
wazowski
L242[00:43:49] <TheKosmonaut> Always
watching.
L243[00:43:50] <Althego> i noticed it
too
L244[00:44:18] <TheKosmonaut> Please don’t
do that. Otherwise I may have to ask you nicely again.
L245[00:44:51] <flo> one thing for sure:
you guys rock at enforcing rules
L246[00:44:56] <flo> how much one likes
'em or not
L247[00:45:02] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
Huh, I didn't even see that one.
L248[00:45:09] <Gasher[work]> flo, you
linked that article and this one phrase is just hilarious
"Slack is such a new medium that people haven’t yet rigorously
studied". A chat is a new medium?
L249[00:45:13] <flo> Scolar_Visari: i
have.
L250[00:45:15] <Althego> i even wrote
language after it
L251[00:45:20] <Althego> notifying
myself
L252[00:45:26] <flo> Gasher[work]: i'd
recommend you to sack the topic in here ;-)
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L254[00:45:35] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Wasn't a very poweful fbomb, then. Must've been tactical
yield.
L255[00:45:40] <Gasher[work]> flo, your
topic?
L256[00:45:51] <flo> well, yes
L257[00:45:57] *
TheKosmonaut scrambles alert fighters.
L258[00:46:03] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher: I
think anew medium would be more like telepathic chat?
L259[00:46:15] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, that would be like 95% porn
L260[00:46:22] <Althego> hehe
L261[00:46:23] <Scolar_Visari> Kosmonaut:
That way you'll no when to summon the actual fighters!
L262[00:46:33] *
TheKosmonaut lasers Gasher[work]
L263[00:46:42] <flo> wait... the word P***
was OK?!
L264[00:46:47] <TheKosmonaut> No
L266[00:46:55] <flo> reassuring
L267[00:46:58] <Gasher[work]>
TheKosmonaut, are you going to scramble fighters just for one
bomber on horizon?
L268[00:47:00] <Scolar_Visari> Punk?
Punk's not okay? but it's dead.
L269[00:47:11] <TheKosmonaut>
Gasher[work]: it’s our speciality
L270[00:47:13] <flo> punx not ded
L271[00:47:13] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher:
That one bomber could be leading the others below the radar
horizon.
L272[00:47:19] <flo> Scolar_Visari: :<
do not trigger me :<
L273[00:47:21] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, wrong quote
L274[00:47:23] <Scolar_Visari> Or is that
the Shipwreck missile that does that?
L275[00:47:38] *
TheKosmonaut sends out AWACS
L276[00:47:55] <Scolar_Visari> Which one?
Eagle Eye or Sky Eye?
L277[00:47:57] <Gasher[work]> it all
depends on which bomb is in it lol
L278[00:47:59] <technicalfool> really
you're supposed to stay PG rated. I'm not sure what that translated
to in terms of realtime chat and asterisks per hour, but avoiding
swearing at all is probably better than getting a calculator
out.
L279[00:48:01] <Althego> dont forget to
turn on laircm before take off
L280[00:48:01] <Gasher[work]> F or N
:D
L281[00:48:21] <Scolar_Visari>
technicalfool: We did have a calculator, but the bots seem to be
all but a distant memory.
L282[00:49:02] *
Scolar_Visari ruefully recollects memories of the very abused
mission command.
L283[00:49:11] <Althego> ah the
missoin
L284[00:49:17] <Althego> i liked it
L285[00:49:19] <Gasher[work]> yes
L286[00:49:23] <Althego> it could have
been worse
L287[00:49:24] <taniwha> technicalfool:
and easier if you get into the habit of not swearing at all
L288[00:49:28] <Althego> let me tell you
what i have found
L289[00:49:32] <Althego> on dreadnought
discord
L290[00:49:37] <Scolar_Visari> I liked it,
up until people started using it for multiple paragraphs and
flooding the channel like the Yellow River.
L291[00:49:37] <Althego> there is a
command for race
L292[00:49:40] <Althego> people can join a
race
L293[00:49:49] <Althego> each are assigned
an animal face emoji
L294[00:49:57] <Althego> and then the bot
animates a little race amog the animal faces
L295[00:50:01] <Althego> with random
rsults
L296[00:50:01] <Scolar_Visari> Althego:
Like race as in Elves and Dwarves or race as in speedways and
street circuits?
L297[00:50:27] <Althego> the symbols move
from left to tight, and since discord can delete previous messages,
it overwrites the previous frame with the new one
L298[00:50:29] <Scolar_Visari> Oh, well
that's a lot less interesting than racing dreadnoughts.
L299[00:50:41] <Gasher[work]> like rabbit
and tortoise i suppose
L300[00:51:23] <Scolar_Visari> "Here
comes the HMS Hood passing Bismarck on the third turn, but boy oh
boy are they going to have a tough time catching up with the
Iowa!"
L301[00:51:32] <Althego> it is so annoying
that this activity was banned from offtopic to its own
channel
L302[00:52:11] <Althego> also in the game
dreadnoughts have warp capability, so they can be really fast if
fitted so
L303[00:52:14] <Scolar_Visari> Alright, a
dreadnought racing simulator needs to exist now.
L304[00:53:00] <Scolar_Visari> This is the
game mode World of Tanks and World of Warships really needed.
L305[00:53:17] <flo> i cannot stop
thinking 'st:voy'
L306[00:53:22] <flo> any time i hear
dreadnought
L307[00:53:28] <flo> yes, a sim for that
would be super awesome :D
L308[00:53:33] <Supernovy> "Bismarck
defeats Hood! Who could have seen this coming?"
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L310[00:53:53] <Gasher[work]> even
Admiralty did not see that coming
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L312[00:54:27] <Althego> i know that at
this point kantai collection is old and auzr lane is the new hot
stuff, but i cant keep to think of bismarck as a big breasted
blonde :)
L313[00:54:33] <Althego> anything
but
L314[00:54:37] <flo> oh good lord
Gasher[work]
L315[00:54:41] <Scolar_Visari> Dreadnought
is a term which primarily refers to ships constructed in the style
of the HMS Dreadnought, a vessel which was primarily known for
depending on a series of turret mounted heavy guns sharing the same
caliber, rather than a variety of different calibers, greatly
improving the ability to measure the fall of shot.
L316[00:54:49] <flo> i just had to swallow
a really bad joke THAT hard it made me cough up
L317[00:55:03] <Scolar_Visari> I'm not
entirely sure why they named a missile Dreadnought.
L318[00:55:21] <Supernovy>
Dreddnaught
L319[00:55:36] <Scolar_Visari>
Occasionally spelt Dreadnaught by ragamuffins.
L320[00:55:37] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, they named a ship cannon and a series of assault
rifles the same name here
L321[00:55:54] <Gasher[work]> Supernovy,
Dreadnaughty
L322[00:55:58] <flo> Scolar_Visari: null
scheu
L323[00:56:04] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher:
Unless the assault rifles have several guns, that's not terribly
dreadful.
L324[00:56:05] <flo> would be a valid
translation of dreadnought
L325[00:56:15] <Supernovy> Dead-not
L326[00:56:28] <taniwha> dread
nothing
L327[00:56:29] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, Ak-100
L328[00:56:30] *
Scolar_Visari notes battleship is a more appropriate generic term
for what most people classify as dreadnoughts.
L329[00:56:39] <flo> yea, not feared or
scared of anything
L330[00:56:43] <flo> not 'scheu'
L331[00:56:48] <flo> dread: nought
L332[00:56:54] <flo> to me the name makes
sense
L333[00:57:01] <taniwha> same, always
did
L334[00:57:04] <Althego> despite the
title, the game features several other ship classes
L335[00:57:05] <Supernovy> I've lately
used dreadnought to refer to an all-big-guns capital ship.
L336[00:57:10] *
Scolar_Visari also wishes science-fiction franchises would simply
quit with the pretense of applying modern combat into space and
start using age of sail terminology.
L337[00:57:10] <taniwha> (particularly
once I saw the spelling)
L338[00:57:26] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
Post-dreadnought is the more correct technical term, though it too
fell out of use by the 30's.
L339[00:57:35] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, like Battlefleet Gothic
L340[00:57:35] <flo> Scolar_Visari: like
they did for some of the TNG episodes and ST movies? :)
L341[00:57:37] <Althego> we didnt even
reach the level of ocean sailing in space
L342[00:57:52] <Gasher[work]> well there
are solar sails
L343[00:57:56] <Althego> it is like we
have some small handmade paper boats
L344[00:58:02] <Althego> and they often
sink
L345[00:58:05] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher:
Battlefleet Gothic, amusingly, does not. The closest thing to
Imperial ships of the line would be the Lunar-class
*cruiser*!
L346[00:58:09] <Althego> even before
leaving the shore
L347[00:58:16] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, what
L348[00:58:22] <Scolar_Visari> Eldar ships
also follow battleship/cruiser/destroyer/frigate naming
schemes.
L349[00:58:25] <Gasher[work]> have you
ever read its manual?
L350[00:58:37] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher:
Yes, I have the manual, age of sail terminology is lacking for ship
classes.
L351[00:58:41] <Supernovy> Well the
problem with that is sometimes there's other things you need to
screen
L352[00:58:54] *
Scolar_Visari also has the spiffy Armada expansion
somewhere.
L353[00:59:02] <flo> also sometimes you
just need more screens
L354[00:59:46] <GlassYuri|School> Althego:
kancolle is not dead, although I myself haven't played recently
myself
L355[00:59:53] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher:
Battlefleet Gothic always felt like it would've done better using
the weird classes brought about between the Ironclad and HMS
Dreadnought era.
L356[01:00:03] <Gasher[work]> i
disagree
L357[01:00:04] <Supernovy> space torpedo
boats require space torpedo boat destroyers and so on
L358[01:00:12] <Scolar_Visari>
Particularly since ramming is an acceptable tactic for Imperial
ships and they like having torpedoes.
L359[01:00:18] <Gasher[work]> hm
L360[01:00:27] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
Protected cruisers protected by bunkers of space coal.
L361[01:00:31] <Gasher[work]> lol
L362[01:00:41] <Supernovy> Armoured
Cruisers are underrated
L363[01:00:46] <Gasher[work]> but
protected cruisers were like armored but in weird places
L364[01:01:11] <GlassYuri|School> I wish
webchat nick coloring had more than blue users, green users and
red-ish users
L365[01:01:15] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher:
Their primary protection being their coal bunkers, hence the term
protected rather than reasonably well armored.
L366[01:01:15] <Supernovy> after six or
seven layers of screens, you finally get to the one ship that can
actually deal damage.
L367[01:01:53] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, wait, wasn't the name because they had only certain
areas protected by armor?
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L369[01:02:04] <Supernovy> Unfortunately
space ship fuel tends to be explosive rather than
shell-absorbive
L370[01:02:06] <Scolar_Visari> Cruisers in
general are an odd, nebulous bunch, occasionally consisting of
armed merchant vessels.
L371[01:02:16] <GlassYuri|School>
Gasher[work], Supernovy and Althego are team blue, flo and taniwha
are red/purple ish, and Scolar_Visari is going solo in green
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L373[01:02:32] <Gasher[work]> and even
ships with sails
L374[01:02:35] <Supernovy> Every ship has
only certain areas protected by armour. Eventually.
L375[01:02:42] <Supernovy> And police
cars.
L376[01:02:59] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
Nope, protected being a reference to the tactical coal bunker
placement. Cruisers in general did not get much attention to armor,
ironically, until the rise of World War I battlecruisers.
L377[01:03:18] <Scolar_Visari> Even
battleships didn't get full armor, but depended on armored
"belts".
L378[01:03:33] <Supernovy> "All or
Nothing"
L379[01:03:44] <Scolar_Visari> Plunging
shot, of course, cared little for the armored belts.
L380[01:04:04] <Gasher[work]> hm,
protected seemed to have armored deck
L381[01:04:24] <Scolar_Visari> But armor
was only *one* part of protection. Voids in the hull, torpedo
netting and clever compartmentalization were just as
important.
L382[01:04:36] <Gasher[work]> coal bunkers
were present on like, any ship then so its weird to say that they
protected only one class
L383[01:04:44] <Gasher[work]> yeah
L384[01:05:32] <Scolar_Visari> Placement
was key.
L385[01:05:55] <Gasher[work]> i recall
those memoirs from russo-japanese war - the description of mending
a breach during the combat is very graphic
L386[01:07:09] <Scolar_Visari> It was
typically desirable to have a plunging shot break through the decks
and detonate the magazine.
L387[01:07:34] <Scolar_Visari> Sinking big
ships takes a lot of time.
L388[01:09:04] <Scolar_Visari> Though in
the case of the Russo-Japanese War, even primitive torpedos and
mines could sink a ship quick.
L389[01:09:25] <Supernovy> because it
turns out there's a lot of explosives in the magazine
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L391[01:10:49] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, yeah that's how we lost in that war - with faulty
munitions of that type. Japanese approach to explosions proved to
be more effective - but only i'd say because of lack of
understanding of protection
L392[01:11:01] <Scolar_Visari> Supernovy:
It's because they're filled with teen gossip magazines.
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L394[01:11:21] <Gasher[work]> that's
combustible stuff, not explosive
L395[01:11:35] <Scolar_Visari> I dunno,
they can have some explosive articles from time to time.
L396[01:11:42] <GlassYuri|School>
Scolar_Visari: another weapon that is weirdly missing from the
geneva conventions
L397[01:12:53] <Gasher[work]>
GlassYuri|School, i think it includes usage of toxic stuff
L398[01:12:53] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher: I
do recall the later Yamato having problems with damage
control.
L399[01:13:17] <Mathuin> So what's the
sweet spot for cruising altitudes with Whiplash engines?
L400[01:13:27] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, it's easy to have such problems with that scale of
aerial attacks lol.
L401[01:13:28] *
Scolar_Visari snickers at the world's two largest battleships being
brought low by tiny bombs.
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L403[01:14:11] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher: The
IJN seemed to have issues with damage control in general. Something
along the lines of not flooding compartments when it was most
prudent and designing them to make flooding more severe.
L404[01:14:34] <Scolar_Visari> They were
not . . . very well prepared for a war in general.
L405[01:14:43] <Gasher[work]> ah
right
L406[01:14:50] <Gasher[work]> the bonfires
of Midway
L407[01:15:05] <Scolar_Visari> Or, for a
better example: The Marianas Turkey Shoot.
L408[01:15:24] <Gasher[work]> no, losing
four carriers to fires is a better examples
L409[01:15:28] <Gasher[work]> *
example
L410[01:16:15] <Scolar_Visari> For the
loss of 123 aircraft and no surface vessels sunk, the USN
eliminated 3 fleet carriers and over 600 aircraft.
L411[01:17:05] <Gasher[work]> in midway
case - loss of experienced aircrews
L412[01:17:06] <Scolar_Visari> In
retrospect, putting nonfunctional radios in the A6M was a bad
idea.
L413[01:17:20] <Gasher[work]> what
L414[01:17:27] <Gasher[work]> i thought
they removed those completely
L415[01:17:37] <Gasher[work]> at least at
the beginning of the war
L416[01:17:38] <Scolar_Visari> They did,
but because they were effectively nonfunctional.
L417[01:17:44] <Scolar_Visari> Pilots thew
them out themselves.
L418[01:18:15] <Scolar_Visari> Though I
suppose the radio direction finding suite was still of some
use.
L419[01:18:42] <Gasher[work]> local
practice was supplying such a kit to flight leaders
L420[01:19:06] <Scolar_Visari> That's not
really a great idea in practice.
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L423[01:20:09] <Scolar_Visari> Dogfighting
really benefits from communication during combat, and it does one
little good if only one person has a radio (that they probably
threw out) and must communicate to the others with semaphores and
hand signals.
L424[01:20:36] <Gasher[work]> damn, it's
the practical solution to the general problem of scarcity
L425[01:20:40] <Scolar_Visari> For further
information: See early model T-34s being led into combat with
semaphores.
L426[01:21:36] <GlassYuri|School>
Scolar_Visari: how do you communicate by wave your arms during
combat, particularily air combat
L427[01:21:46] <Scolar_Visari> GlassYuri:
That's the thing: You don't.
L428[01:21:54] <Gasher[work]> you can
communicate that way during flight
L429[01:22:18] <technicalfool> with nerves
of steel.
L430[01:22:31] <technicalfool> (and
possibly brains of jelly)
L431[01:23:17] <Scolar_Visari> Though
German tank commanders typically sat with the hatch open, this was
typically for the benefit of improving situational awareness.
Waving semaphores around eliminates that improvement, as well as
makes you a tempting target for machine guns. It should go without
saying that trying to wave flags around during an artillery strike
is suicide.
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L433[01:23:55] <Mathuin> Anyone here have
experience with Whiplash engines? I'm trying to get halfway around
the world and I run out of gas on the way. I'm looking for a
fuel-efficient cruising altitude and speed if such a thing exists.
Specific values aren't as important as ranges.
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L435[01:24:01] <Scolar_Visari> Though
Germany was, despite its many technological shortcomings during the
war, adamant to put a radio in every tank after the Pzkpfw I and
made sure they had a dedicated radio operator.
L436[01:24:14] <GlassYuri|School>
Scolar_Visari: I suppose you could mount flags on the rear of a
turret and operate them from inside
L437[01:24:18] <Scolar_Visari> Even
captured tanks had allowances for radios.
L438[01:25:02] <Scolar_Visari> GlassYuri:
That'd also advertise the tank the enemies need to shoot! It'd be
like an officer grabbing a neon sign and advertising his rank to
snipers!
L439[01:25:29] <Scolar_Visari> "HEY!
HEY! HITLER! YEAH, I'M TALKING TO YOU! I'M OVER HERE!"
L440[01:25:33] <GlassYuri|School> I mean
that would mean you could only transmit rearwards but at least
they'd see you saying "oh crap" shortly before the
explosion of equal meaning
L441[01:25:52] <Scolar_Visari> Visibility
tended to get really bad in actual tank combat too.
L442[01:26:02] <GlassYuri|School>
Scolar_Visari: if your enemies are to the rear of your tank you
already have issues anyway
L443[01:26:03] <Scolar_Visari>
Particularly if you're buttoned up.
L444[01:26:27] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, soviet union though decided to churn more
tanks
L445[01:26:49] <Scolar_Visari> First gen
T-34s had little in the way of periscopes, and the forward opening
hatches, despite doubling as effective shields against small arms
fire, also obscured vision.
L446[01:27:22] <Scolar_Visari> And it
should be mentioned that the commander was also the loader or
gunner!
L447[01:27:24] <Gasher[work]>
GlassYuri|School, so mechanical semaphore on a tank? That's sort of
neat idea
L448[01:28:14] <Scolar_Visari> Between
loading shells, commanding the tank and calling out targets, they
would not be able to effectively lead a unit of other tanks
regardless of whether a radio or semaphore system was in use.
L449[01:28:29] <GlassYuri|School>
Gasher[work]: Idk I'm kinda with Scolar_Visari on the viability but
it would sure look cool
L450[01:29:00] *
Scolar_Visari notes commanding a tank is A LOT more difficult than
it is in the Battlefield games.
L451[01:29:38] <Scolar_Visari> Thankfully,
the T-34's hull could be modified to accomodate a much larger
turret in time.
L452[01:30:07] <Scolar_Visari> Did I also
mention the Commander had to stand on ammunition boxes when they
used up the first few rounds?
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L457[01:34:34] <GlassYuri|School>
wat
L458[01:34:40] <flo> Scolar_Visari: that
was da vincis idea of a tank? DAMN he was close
L459[01:34:53] <Scolar_Visari> The T-34: A
tank made with the idea that ergonomics is something that happened
to other people.
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L461[01:35:17] <Scolar_Visari> flo: That's
the Soviet T-34, a derivative of the VT series of cruiser tanks
built as a, "universal tank", a direct forerunner to
modern Main Battle Tanks.
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L463[01:36:53] <Scolar_Visari> It employed
a multi-purpose 76 mm gun similar to the 3 inch gun used by the M4
Sherman (itself derived from French 3 inch guns), was among the
very fastest of AFVs produced during the war and was among the most
uncomfortable fighting vehicles in history to operate.
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L465[01:38:09] <Scolar_Visari> The view
is, "exploded" to reveal otherwise obscured details in
the tank's admittedly cramped design. Up until very, very, very
recently, all Russian and former Soviet tanks were dramatically
cramped in comparison to their Western counterparts to reduce
target profile, weight and cost.
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L468[01:39:04] <Scolar_Visari> Much to the
chagrin of the people assigned to operate them in spite of army
mandated maximum tank crew heights.
L469[01:39:33] *
Scolar_Visari points out a worsening issue in similar Chinese AFVs
having to deal with taller youngsters.
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L471[01:41:19] <Scolar_Visari> At the
moment, Russia's attempting to produce a series of tanks where the
turret is unmanned and remotely operated by a three person crew
kept solely in the better protected hull of the tank.
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L473[01:41:39] <Gasher[work]>
Scolar_Visari, just set up a maximum height of a conscript for
armor training and you suddenly have to care less about
crampedness
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L475[01:42:00] <Gasher[work]> damn took
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L478[01:42:24] <Scolar_Visari> Gasher:
They did! A lot of the problem to is that your average Chinese
conscript is also a lot, ah, better fed than they were decades
ago.
L479[01:42:41] <Scolar_Visari> So people
are having problem fitting into the tanks. It's just as well, the
older ones are being phased out.
L480[01:43:20] <Scolar_Visari> The
original Soviet era tank designs are flawed compared to more modern
AFVs, particularly since there's absolutely no other place to put
the ammunition other than beneath the occupants!
L481[01:44:23] <Scolar_Visari> An
ammunition cookoff in a Leopard II, for example, might lead to a
mission kill but an otherwise living crew and maybe a still
operational albeit ammo depleted tank. An ammunition cookoff in a
T-90's going to kill the crew and destroy the tank.
L482[01:45:53] *
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L486[01:49:25] <Gasher[work]> why would
you need a crew after it lost a tank anyway
L487[01:54:58] <Mathuin> The Whiplash wiki
page has a graph of thrust multiplier versus atmospheric pressure.
There are three data points on it, one at what looks like 0.05,
another at 0.15, and a third at 0.5 atm. What altitudes do those
values correspond to?
L488[01:57:57] <Gasher[work]> Mathuin, you
can try to see it for yourself with a simple rocket - just note
your altitude when passing 1/2 and 3/4 and 19/20 of
atmosphere
L489[01:59:01] <Mathuin> Using what
instrument?
L490[01:59:24] <Mathuin> And I'm on a
flight mission, hoping to avoid designing a sounding rocket for
what I thought would be an easy question.
L491[02:00:35] <Mathuin> I can get
atmospheric pressure in kilonewtons per square meter from KER, but
I don't know the conversion between those units and Kerbin
atmospheres.
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L495[02:02:45] <taniwha> same as
earth
L496[02:03:18] <taniwha> ;w 1atm in
kn
L498[02:03:22] <taniwha> hmm
L499[02:03:54] <Althego> it doesnt seem to
be the answer :)
L500[02:03:55] <Mathuin> 101.325
L501[02:04:23] <taniwha> yeah
L502[02:04:47] <taniwha> I guess the
wolfram one got overused
L503[02:05:14] <Mathuin> I do wish there
was a better aircraft autopilot than AA.
L504[02:05:22] <Althego> but i know that
standard atmosphere is 29.92 inHg or 1023 mBar which doesnt help in
conversion :)
L505[02:06:01] <Mathuin> I wouldn't be
surprised to learn that one bar was equal to 0.1 kilonewtons per
square meter or something
L506[02:06:33] <Mathuin> It's frustrating
to spend literally forty-five minutes to get an airplane around the
world (using warp) and run out of gash
L507[02:06:36] <Mathuin> Err, gas.
L508[02:06:36] <Althego> is near, because
it is around 100k pascals
L509[02:09:29] <taniwha> 45m? short trip
:)
L510[02:09:42] <Mathuin> It's literally
halfway around Kerbin
L511[02:09:58] <taniwha> yeah, but only
45m? short :)
L512[02:10:26] <Mathuin> I'm using warp
and going Mach 2+ but I don't know if that's too fast for the gas
or what
L513[02:11:09] <taniwha> well, subsonic
speeds tend to have several times the range
L514[02:11:49] <taniwha> power required is
> v^3
L515[02:12:12] <taniwha> (v^2 for drag,
but power = F*v)
L516[02:12:47] <taniwha> and > because
drag is non-linear (Cd spikes in the transonic region)
L517[02:19:27] <Mat2ch> Mathuin: AA?
There's another which brings also fly-by-wire
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L519[02:20:30] <Mat2ch> Oh, that's AA
:D
L520[02:20:34] <Mathuin>
AtmosphereAutopilot. I'm hoping for something that will follow
simple instructions like "fly to this waypoint". AA is
good if your plane is trimmed and well-behaved and if you remember
to turn off warp before messing with it.
L521[02:21:00] <Mat2ch> KramaxAutopilot
can fly to waypoints
L522[02:21:39] <Mathuin> I had just
installed it and restarted KSP to see if it'll work.
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L524[02:25:37] <taniwha> the problem with
flying to waypoints (or other surface targets) is you need to steer
to the great-circle direction, no the raw direction
L525[02:25:51] <Althego> at least for the
shortest route
L526[02:25:58] <taniwha> doing the later
causes you to pick grass from your teeth
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L528[02:26:14] <Althego> and somehow i am
not good at calculating the haversine formula everysecond in my
head
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L530[02:26:30] <taniwha> don't need
haversine
L531[02:27:04] <taniwha> or any trig when
eyeballing it
L532[02:27:06] <Mathuin> The trick I'm
trying now is to check the waypoint once from waypoint manager,
then set the bank to level.
L533[02:27:35] <Mathuin> I'm flying
"straight" once I'm pointed at the waypoint, so there
shouldn't be any need for banking.
L534[02:27:57] <taniwha> Mathuin: there
will: Coriolis
L535[02:28:01] <Mathuin> Kramax is way
better behaved than other APs I have tried with respect to bank and
vertical speed and throttle.
L536[02:28:12] <Mathuin> Ah, yes, there's
that, I forgot.
L537[02:28:15] <taniwha> Kerbin's rotation
will push you off course
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L539[02:28:42] <taniwha> but yes,
otherwise, you should be able to just point straight
L540[02:29:04] <Mathuin> FWIW I don't see
a waypoint option, but I see *tons* of "flight
plans".
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L608[08:43:17] <sandbox> "An aircraft
and a helicopter are believed to have crashed in mid-air over
Buckinghamshire."
L609[08:44:36] <Althego> because a
helicopter is not an aircraft?
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L611[08:50:25] <GlassFragments> so my
microwave just sparked again
L612[08:50:35] <Althego> DONT PUT METAL IN
IT
L613[08:50:44] <GlassFragments> I
didn't
L614[08:51:07] <Althego> also grapes
L615[08:51:13] <Althego> and flames
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L617[08:52:32] <UmbralRaptor> food that's
excessively high in iron?
L618[08:52:51] <Althego> must be blood.
for an afternoon snack for a vampire
L619[08:53:57] <GlassFragments> I'm fairly
sure something is wrong with the microwave itself
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L622[08:55:36] <Althego> i wonder, is it
possible to make a gyrcompass in ksp?
L623[08:55:50] <Althego> the physical laws
that it operates on, must be present
L624[08:56:03] <Althego> the issue is a
good enough bearing
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L626[08:56:55] <Althego> hmm, maybe ia
dont need a bearing
L627[08:57:00] <Althego> if i put it on
water
L628[08:57:41] <Althego> the axis around
it needs to rotate is and is powered by the planet rotation is the
vertical
L629[08:58:00] <Althego> also water adds
some dampening that is beneficial
L630[08:58:25] <Althego> now that i built
an electric prop
L631[08:58:31] <Althego> i think i should
be able to do this
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L634[09:19:13] <GlassFragments> monorails,
but like, the trackage partially consists of giant monster
snakes
L635[09:20:35] <Gasher> hm, looking at the
news, and argentina seem to have lost a sub
L636[09:21:04] <GlassFragments> did they
anger the brits again
L638[09:24:21] <Althego> eh
L639[09:24:30] <Althego> submarines are
designed to hide
L640[09:24:56] <Althego> so if it had an
accident while under water, who would find them
L641[09:26:41] <GlassFragments> in time?
nobody
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L643[09:27:53] <GlassFragments> after a
lengthy and expensive search? there's companies that specialize in
undersea search
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L645[09:28:51] <GlassFragments>
"square([width,height],center)"
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L653[09:45:55] <Gasher> Althego, quoting
our president "She sank"
L655[09:49:06] <kmath> YouTube - Путин:
"Курск"?- она утонула...
L656[09:49:36] <Althego> ah you meant that
president
L657[09:49:41] <Althego> i thought maybe
of a company
L658[09:49:56] <Gasher> lol
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L660[09:54:19] <UmbralRaptor> Same thing
in some cases?
L661[09:56:41] <Althego> i dont know what
we are talking about
L662[09:56:48] <Althego> since the square
sentence
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L665[10:05:25] *
UmbralRaptor keeps on being surprised at how phonetic Russian
is.
L666[10:06:17] <ve2dmn> I think it is
swedish that has no exception when it comes to prononciation... Or
maybe it was another language
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L668[10:08:18] <UmbralRaptor>
Incidentally, Google says "она утонула" means "she
drowned"
L670[10:09:31] <kmath> YouTube - What's
new, Atlas?
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L677[10:30:50] <Althego> i remember i
asked about helicopters not being aircraft on one channel, but cant
find it where
L678[10:31:05] <Althego> maybe it was
discord
L679[10:31:50] <Althego> because of this
news
L681[10:33:22] <Deddly> Nasa says it's an
aircraft, so of course it can
L682[10:33:33] <Deddly> Nasa says it's an
aircraft, so of course it can't be one - everyone knows Nasa lies
;)
L683[10:33:41] <Althego> hehe
L684[10:33:44] <Deddly> (joke)
L685[10:34:09] <Althego> i think i need to
try to build the gyrocompass in ksp
L686[10:34:11] <Althego> unless
L687[10:34:24] <Althego> it just faces
kerbin rotating in the near reference frame
L688[10:34:27] <Althego> fakes
L689[10:34:31] <Althego> then it wouldnt
work
L690[10:35:27] <Deddly> Gotta go .
L691[10:35:30] <Althego> but no, you can
switch to the other mode of the navball and it still shows the
rotation
L692[10:35:31] <Deddly> Seeyas
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L694[10:37:12] <GlassFragments> ...if you
press ctrl+s in OpenSCAD, it will save FOR EVERY FRAME THE KEY
COMBO IS HELD DOWN.
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L696[10:38:25] <GlassFragments> and if you
hold it too long, it will eventually run into an access violation
from trying to outsave itself
L697[10:38:34] <ve2dmn> GlassFragments:
nice!
L698[10:39:39] <ve2dmn> is it still being
developped?
L699[10:39:41] <GlassFragments> at least
the application handles it without crashing, which really makes no
difference since you just saved the file ten times over in the last
fraction of a second
L700[10:40:38] <ve2dmn> does it save if
you try to close the file? or close the app?
L701[10:41:05] <ve2dmn> Can you type
'save()' as a workaround in the console?
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L703[10:47:11] <ve2dmn> Find the 'save'
function and add a hook that submit a bug request each time the
save oversaves the save
L704[10:47:25] <ve2dmn> (please
don't)
L705[10:56:05] <GlassFragments> a script
that automatically posts a duplicate bug report every time the
software does something you percieve as annoying?
L706[10:56:21] <GlassFragments>
that's...
L707[10:58:36] <ve2dmn> ...the best way to
get banned?
L708[10:59:18] <Althego> the ksp
gyrocompass is rotating slowly but i am not sure because of the
prcession
L709[10:59:28] <ve2dmn> ...slimey, yet
satisfying?
L710[11:00:36] <Althego> hmm, it is
pointing app. north now
L711[11:00:46] <Althego> let!s wait a
little if it is still moving
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L713[11:01:26] <Althego> it did
L714[11:01:34] <Althego> probably not
working
L715[11:01:39] <Althego> would have been
awesome
L716[11:01:46] <Althego> i want to build a
gyrocompass at least in ksp
L717[11:02:02] <Althego> also it may have
been not completely horizontal too
L718[11:02:09] <Althego> which i think can
cause this
L720[11:02:37] <ve2dmn> ?
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L723[11:07:28] <Althego> that is
amazing
L724[11:07:37] <Althego> a navball looking
like a real aircraft instrumetn
L725[11:08:12] <Althego> hehe radio aids
integrated, because of the gs and loc and the yellow cross
L726[11:09:10] <Althego> maybe converted
from an old adi<
L727[11:09:13] <Althego> ?
L728[11:09:42] <ve2dmn> a few people have
WAY much more time then I do
L729[11:10:41] <Althego> wait this seems
to be real all the way
L730[11:10:44] <Althego> 115v 400 hz
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L734[11:15:45] <Althego> with
synchros
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L738[11:27:54] <Althego> ok for now i give
up the ksp gyrocompass (which is way bigger than several
kerbals)
L739[11:28:33] <Althego> back to the
fairing eve ascent vehicle. which has one serious problem, how can
i land it without kerbals when there is no control available?
L740[11:28:48] <Althego> oh wait, there is
basic control remaining, that should be enough
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L749[12:32:56] <ve2dmn> TIL they are
making an official DesertBus VR game
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L751[12:37:53] <SnoopJeDi> Truly the best
that VR has to offer
L752[12:38:27] <ve2dmn> it even support
multiplayer!
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L756[12:40:23] <ve2dmn> Rumour says it
will sell for 0$ on Steam
L757[12:42:12] <UmbralRaptor> Will it fix
the day/night cycle bug?
L758[12:42:24] <ve2dmn> no
L759[12:44:17] <oren> You could make
desertbus in KSP with RO
L760[12:44:34] <ve2dmn> cool idea!
L761[12:46:20] <ve2dmn> Filmed on Duna, in
front of green screen?
L762[12:47:28] <SnoopJeDi> desert bus in
KSP sounds like regular rover driving :P
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L766[13:06:36] <Mathuin> Wait, I thought
Zuma was yesterday, is it today?
L767[13:06:42] <ve2dmn> yes
L768[13:06:47] <ve2dmn> got delayed
L769[13:06:59] <Mathuin> Oooh I can see it
I think
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L772[13:12:59] <Althego> this tiny eve
ascent vehicle is not going well
L773[13:13:17] <Mathuin> Can I add or
modify action groups mid-mission? (in stock)
L774[13:13:17] <Althego> as i thought it
has formally enough delta v, but too much of it is in the upper
stages
L775[13:13:24] <Althego> no
L776[13:13:29] <Mathuin> Althego: fuel
transfer midflight?
L777[13:17:04] <Althego> pointless with
this big engine and tank difference
L778[13:17:15] <Althego> it is just test
flights at this point
L779[13:27:23] <Althego> maybe i should
just stick to the usual cabin arrangement
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L782[13:47:33] <Mathuin>
ttps://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/148995-relay-networks-in-12/
-- is this still best practice for relay networks in 1.3.1 ?
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L804[15:32:18] <flerb> flerb
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L811[15:43:21] <Mod9000> Hello,
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L814[15:46:57] <Supernovy> Evening,
Gentlemen.
L815[15:47:21] <flerb> yo
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L823[16:45:57] <lordcirth> flerb, your
pupper has antlers
L824[16:49:55] <flerb> it is a good
pupper
L825[16:59:42] <Black_Eagle> never been to
dres
L826[16:59:52] <Black_Eagle> which is
unsurprising since it doesn't exist
L827[17:00:07] <Black_Eagle> but i'm
feeling like either bed or dres
L828[17:00:12] <Black_Eagle> so vote for
me, ksp?
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L843[18:25:01] <ve2dmn> no SpaceX today
either?
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L849[18:55:40] <Mathuin> eight hours ago
it slipped to 'an unspecified date"
L850[18:55:43] <Mathuin> :-(
L851[18:56:08] <Mathuin> Apparently
testing another customer's fairings has raised some issues.
L852[18:58:42] <lpg> ah darn
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L860[19:13:53] <Monty> Running OSX and the
textures of all UI elements in the cockpit are both very
low-resolution and blurry, i.e. navball. They don't seem to care
about the quarter/half/full texture resolution settings. What
controls them?
L861[19:15:52] <UmbralRaptor> Could be a
GPU setting for texture res
L862[19:16:16] <Monty> Textures do what
the program tells them everywhere else.
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L865[19:24:05] <Monty> ...okay, that's
weird. Setting the navball texture size to 150% makes it look
perfect in the cockpit, and, of course, 150% too large everywhere
else..
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L867[19:36:27] <Monty> Messing with the
navball scale and UI scale fixed it. Not because of anything I did,
though. It's like it picked a weird size, and attempting any change
at all forced it to recalculate.
L868[19:36:43] <Monty> I reset them all
back to default and their textures remained unfuzzy. Strange.
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L870[19:40:40] <Monty> OK, there it is.
Reducing textures to quarter-res makes them fuzzy again, but
improving to full res LEAVES THEM at quarter-res. Weird.
L871[19:43:25] <UmbralRaptor> o_O
L872[19:44:19] <UmbralRaptor> That's
definitely weird, but glad you found a solution. I wonder if it's
reprodceable on other systems.
L873[19:45:08] <Monty> Found a similar
thread, seems to be an OSX thing. What I want to know is, are
quarter-res textures illegible in the cockpit or everyone, or is
that ALSO an OSX thing?
L874[19:45:21] <Monty> or everyone/for
everyone
L875[19:45:39] <UmbralRaptor> They've been
illegible for me on Windows.
L876[19:46:02] <Monty> Thanks.
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