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L7[08:08:48] <Haraisuru> @Instinx How long did you have to wait for the Tank to self repair... I am staring at it over 10 minutes after it broke from the portal and it still hasn't reinitialized...

L9[09:04:51] <Instinx> it was instant

L11[09:13:36] <Warlord Wossman> @Haraisuru can you try to just move away from the tank in said dimension with a tp command and tp back t see if it behaves the same as switching dimensions with the portal?

L12[09:16:20] <liach> or build the tank at somewhere far like x,z=1000000,1000000, teleport to spawn, wait 30 secs, and then teleport back to that far place to check

L13[09:17:09] <Warlord Wossman> better wait 45 seconds in case you have bad timing with the auto save ?

L14[09:17:44] <liach> or bad timings with chunk unloading

L15[09:18:14] <Haraisuru> Asking friend to OP me for a bit to try to test...

L16[09:19:14] <Warlord Wossman> trying to come up with new recipes for the various rail items

L17[09:19:19] <Warlord Wossman> not that easy tbh

L18[09:44:16] <Haraisuru> Still no OP permissions but I moved the entire tank to the center of a near by chunk above ground and no matter how long I portaled to the Overworld when I return the Tank is always working.

L19[09:45:30] <Warlord Wossman> did the old position cross a subchunk border?

L20[09:46:01] <Warlord Wossman> I feel like that technically shouldn't matter but would be interesting to know

L21[09:48:29] <Haraisuru> Not sure what a subchunk boarder is... but I think I have found the smoking gun

L22[09:49:16] <Warlord Wossman> the horizontal blue lines are subchunk borders

L23[09:49:42] <Warlord Wossman> each chunk is devided into subchunks that are 16 blocks tall each

L24[09:50:24] <Haraisuru> This is the new tank that was previously working no matter the number of times portal'ed or how long spent in the Overworld...

L25[09:51:05] <liach> hmm, what does the portal do to its surroundings

L27[09:51:58] <Haraisuru> liach not sure what you mean...

L28[09:52:50] <Warlord Wossman> it scans a pretty big area for other portals, if there wouldn't be one it might choose valid blocks to create one

L29[09:53:07] <liach> i mean portal might make some blocks no longer air so the multiblock becomes invalid

L30[09:53:56] <Warlord Wossman> also hard to tell if he uses the same code as nether portals

L31[09:54:04] <Haraisuru> Ohh I have not seen anything noticable as far as that goes.

L32[09:54:17] <Warlord Wossman> you wouldn't really see that

L33[09:54:38] <Warlord Wossman> good point tho @liach should probably ask the mod author directly

L34[09:56:45] <Haraisuru> Just for completeness, I also just tested it with the portal frame only (no portal initialized) and it did not cause any issues... so it seems it is something about the active portal that triggers the issue. http://tinyurl.com/y2r6tse7

L35[09:58:48] <Haraisuru> For the moment at least I can fix my issue by moving my portal location away from my Tanks.. which makes me happy.

L36[10:01:37] <liach> seee #support

L38[10:31:21] <flubb> is there a high speed track type which forces trains to go in only one way? Some trains keep going the wrong way around when launched and i need them to not do that

L39[10:31:36] <liach> use one way track kit

L40[10:31:43] <liach> or high speed transition

L41[10:31:53] <flubb> high speed transition unpowered doesn't stop them from going the wrong way it seems

L42[10:32:11] <flubb> like i think back in 1.7 or smth i remember if you used a control track and tried to drive into it, it wouldn't let you go that way

L43[10:32:28] <flubb> i'm using a train holding track to launch these

L44[10:32:54] <flubb> one way is also not valid for hs

L46[10:37:25] <liach> now one way track kit is the control track

L47[10:37:55] <liach> use unpowered transition track and a control track to make sure direction is right

L48[10:40:06] <flubb> but control track is also not compatible with HS

L49[10:40:23] <flubb> will it matter if i have one reinforced rail on slow moving HS?

L50[10:56:14] <liach> it will work fine.

L51[10:59:22] <flubb> thanks ill try this out

L52[11:24:04] <Haraisuru> @liach It seems it is only Aromas portal that causes the Tanks to break a Nether Portal in the same chunk as the Tank does not cause any issues. http://tinyurl.com/y5kkd3aa

L53[11:32:46] <liach> ? don't understand

L54[12:17:00] <CovertJaguar> Interesting, at least now we know it's not the structure code necessarily

L55[12:18:07] <Warlord Wossman> he is basically saying that aromas portals do it and nether portals don't

L56[12:18:12] <Warlord Wossman> he must be doing something weird

L57[12:18:16] <CovertJaguar> I should also point out that Railcraft's structures are actually one block bigger on all sides than they appear, they all have a buffer space around them, which is why you can't build them adjacent

L58[12:18:34] <Warlord Wossman> oh lol

L59[12:18:54] <Warlord Wossman> that would mean his multiblock technically did cross a chunkborder

L60[12:19:03] <CovertJaguar> Yep

L61[12:19:10] <Warlord Wossman> makes sense tho

L62[12:19:26] <Warlord Wossman> since they don't work with stuff directly next to it

L63[12:19:59] <Warlord Wossman> I kinda like the sharing walls in gregtech for multis but it's probably just a different system

L64[12:20:43] <Warlord Wossman> well stuff as in another block that could be part of the same multiblock structure

L65[12:20:59] <CovertJaguar> I made the decision to do it this way to reduce the number of blocks that need to be inspected when testing for completeness

L66[12:21:33] <Warlord Wossman> I am not too worried

L67[12:21:42] <CovertJaguar> Well, technically when propegating changes really

L68[12:22:08] <Warlord Wossman> wanted to investigate some weird behavior when you place blocks fast and happen to place an additional tank wall next to your tank

L69[12:22:15] <Warlord Wossman> but mostly happened in creative so far

L70[12:22:53] <CovertJaguar> You'll notice that you can stack tanks though, so technically the system can handle it

L71[12:22:54] <Warlord Wossman> but I think it was just a matter of breaking 1 block and replacing it to make it reform

L72[12:23:11] <Warlord Wossman> yeah, on top of each other

L73[12:23:25] <Warlord Wossman> or sideways as well? because that would be new to me

L74[12:23:41] <CovertJaguar> No, just on top

L75[12:25:11] <CovertJaguar> I'd like to allow repeatable layers, so you can make them as tall as you want, but I ran into some issues trying to implement that, so for now I still have to specifically define every shape

L76[12:26:07] <CovertJaguar> I am thinking of adding some new Cole oven ahapes

L77[12:27:57] <CovertJaguar> Maybe I should try removing the buffer entirely, but I really feel like there should be some graphical delineation if I allow that, borders on the edges or something, but that's complicated

L78[12:28:28] <Warlord Wossman> hm

L79[12:28:42] <Warlord Wossman> well for coke ovens I use the GTCE ones

L80[12:29:08] <Warlord Wossman> but huge fan of the RC tanks, they look really good

L81[12:30:31] <Warlord Wossman> would be sick if RC had compat to generate additional tiers of the multiblock tanks, maybe a stainless steel and a titanium version if GTCE is around

L82[12:30:39] <Warlord Wossman> really don't like singleblock tanks ?

L83[12:31:46] <CovertJaguar> Just curious, why do you use the GTCE coke ovens?

L86[15:44:17] <Warlord Wossman> they can share walls, only take 45 seconds for the recipes (you need a lot of fuel for steam in GTCE, more than in RC), they are more fun to automate because you only have access with the hatches which need to be centered on the sides or the bottom and they seem to cause less fps issues

L87[15:44:33] <Warlord Wossman> sorry for late reply, got carried away making a ton of CT scripts

L88[15:45:36] <Warlord Wossman> RC coke ovens are not bad but I usually end up with 32 of them since they are rather slow, not strictly against bulky setups but the sharing walls is really cool

L89[16:34:09] <texaswriter> @CovertJaguar Last last question: How will the central dispatch know what type of train is needed by a semaphore?

L90[16:34:30] <texaswriter> let's say I have chest cart trains

L91[16:34:33] <texaswriter> and tank cart trains

L92[16:34:46] <texaswriter> or maybe even an arbitrary mixed kind

L93[16:36:12] <texaswriter> I'm imaging if I request a train and it has to be generic, then it would be something like locomotive + world spike cart + (OPTIONAL) mine cart. Each inventory source would have to have a way of pre-requesting an appropriate train which would drop off the rest of the train

L94[16:36:25] <texaswriter> I'm imagining if I request a train and it has to be generic, then it would be something like locomotive + world spike cart + (OPTIONAL) mine cart. Each inventory source would have to have a way of pre-requesting an appropriate train which would drop off the rest of the train [Edited]

L95[16:37:26] <texaswriter> I'm guessing that the central dispatch doesn't know or care what type of material is loaded or unloaded by a semaphore.

L96[16:37:54] <texaswriter> Unless I'm wrong.

L97[16:42:22] <Warlord Wossman> wonder what Jag thinks of the idea with the iron and steel tank cart since he didn't respond on GH yet

L98[17:14:33] <texaswriter> Seems like an interesting concept. I guess if drag is more, I'd have to consider putting two locomotives for a train of steel tank carts.

L99[17:16:09] <Warlord Wossman> I think it could be a decision you have to make

L100[17:16:26] <Warlord Wossman> for fluids you don't need much of the iron tank cart would be perfect

L101[17:16:59] <Warlord Wossman> but if you need to transport tons of fluids you wouldn't have to spam tank carts if there is an option that holds twice as much

L102[17:17:34] <Warlord Wossman> was thinking it makes sense if I want the normal tank cart to be small size but pre steel

L103[17:18:06] <Warlord Wossman> and the other one bigger but you need the steel production first

L104[17:23:23] <LuigiHutch> the point is to use more carts in a train not less. Thats why we don't have iron chests carts directly in rc etc

L105[17:24:05] <LuigiHutch> also `less lag` really isn't a vaild reason, especially without any backing/context

L106[17:24:30] <Warlord Wossman> I generally assume that 2 carts would cause more lag than 1

L107[17:25:04] <Warlord Wossman> and also I don't really want OP stuff and I am aware that you downvoted because more carts are legit

L108[17:25:10] <LuigiHutch> well dont use carts at all then if your worrying about imaginary lag

L109[17:25:24] <Warlord Wossman> how is it imaginary

L110[17:25:43] <Warlord Wossman> unless the carts add 0 mspt I don't see your point

L111[17:25:57] <LuigiHutch> does it cauee any actual lag that effects your world using a train?

L112[17:26:04] <Warlord Wossman> with your logic I could make them hold 100mb each on the config and would be fine

L113[17:26:45] <LuigiHutch> does it cause any actual lag that effects your world using a train? [Edited]

L114[17:27:18] <Warlord Wossman> so for a bit of context here: besided playing modded I spend a lot of time playing technical vanilla, that does involve hitting a lag limit at some point when it comes to contraptions

L115[17:28:01] <Warlord Wossman> I am not saying that carts are super laggy here, I was just thinking since my modpack will probably involve more fluid transport than most other modpacks that it could be nice to have an option once you are further into the progression

L116[17:28:30] <Warlord Wossman> so for a bit of context here: besides playing modded I spend a lot of time playing technical vanilla, that does involve hitting a lag limit at some point when it comes to contraptions [Edited]

L117[17:29:30] <Warlord Wossman> at no point do I intend that players unlock any kind of teleportation for fluids because that would encourage not using trains at all once you unlock it

L118[17:30:56] <LuigiHutch> so why can't they use more tank carts? if its 'lag' then they shouldnt be using trains at all then

L119[17:31:22] <LuigiHutch> im guessing you also have some sort of iron chest carts in your pack?

L120[17:31:22] <Warlord Wossman> why not?

L121[17:31:29] <Warlord Wossman> nope

L122[17:31:47] <Warlord Wossman> because I don't think people will have to transport so many items

L123[17:31:48] <LuigiHutch> so your fine with people using more chest carts in a train but not more tank carts

L124[17:32:02] <Warlord Wossman> yeah because I don't expect people to need that many

L125[17:32:31] <Warlord Wossman> GregTech mining had this concept with drilling fluid you need tons of

L126[17:32:53] <Warlord Wossman> and sure I could obv configure the tank cart to hold a lot of fluid

L127[17:33:07] <Warlord Wossman> but the whole point of having it tiered is that there is a progression

L128[17:33:53] <Warlord Wossman> I am just not really seeing your point, do you also disable steel tanks when playing because you could just build 2 iron tanks?

L129[17:34:05] <LuigiHutch> why does RC need that progression?

L130[17:34:25] <Warlord Wossman> idk

L131[17:34:31] <Warlord Wossman> why does RC need anything?

L132[17:35:24] <Warlord Wossman> I have asked for it as an option because RC is one of the mods my modpack will be focused on, even if it happens you could disable it in the entity config

L133[17:35:37] <Warlord Wossman> don't really see how that would be a problem for you

L134[17:36:37] <LuigiHutch> CJ has never really liked direct tiering iirc

L135[17:36:57] <LuigiHutch> I also assume this statement would apply to tank carts as well `Sorry, I won't be adding any "increased storage" carts to Railcraft. You're supposed to use trains.`

L136[17:37:28] <Warlord Wossman> I would like CJ answering himself on that specific topic

L137[17:37:47] <Warlord Wossman> and can obv accept the decision if he is against it

L138[17:38:13] <LuigiHutch> all im saying is that I don't see a need and it goes against the whole point of using trains

L139[17:38:31] <Warlord Wossman> sure, that's a valid opinion

L140[17:40:04] <Warlord Wossman> keep in mind that without one of my suggestions for a blacklist for the chest and cargo cart I could have simply filled the chestcart with shulkerboxes filled with fluid containers making the tank cart 100% useless

L141[17:40:55] <LuigiHutch> k

L142[17:53:59] <CovertJaguar> I was thinking about the train consist thing, I was actually thinking of a system where the ScheduleMaster knows what carts are in the waiting trains and picks accordingly

L143[17:54:31] <CovertJaguar> it could even set the filters on the carts when it sends it out

L144[17:54:32] <Triaxx2> Someone been playing with Logistic Train Networks?

L145[17:56:51] <CovertJaguar> as for the tanks thing, I only added steel tanks as a reaction to Soaryn being an idiot and copying my tanks, only making his slightly more capacity, I honestly kind of regret it

L146[17:58:10] <CovertJaguar> especially since his tanks ended up being buggy laggy messes anyway

L147[18:00:45] <CovertJaguar> any his entire mod died off eventually

L148[18:01:06] <CovertJaguar> and his entire mod died off eventually [Edited]