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<Natesky9> really
<Natesky9> reallyL13[00:24:36] <Natesky9> that's an interesting
mechanioc
<Natesky9> that's an interesting
mechaniocL14[00:24:45] <Natesky9> but what for though?
<Natesky9> but what for though?L15[00:25:15] <liach>
to prevent overheating
<liach>
to prevent overheatingL16[00:25:24] <liach>
it;'s said rc 1.7 works best with gregtech
<liach>
it;'s said rc 1.7 works best with gregtechL17[00:26:23] ⇨
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L18[00:26:55] <Natesky9> I'm wondering what
that would offer over just a simple temp toggle
<Natesky9> I'm wondering what
that would offer over just a simple temp toggleL19[00:27:07] <Natesky9> or how it would detect if
there's not that mod
<Natesky9> or how it would detect if
there's not that modL20[00:27:54] <Natesky9> maybe a falling edge
restart switch, to let it cool to 0%, so that it doesn't keep
flickering off/on?
<Natesky9> maybe a falling edge
restart switch, to let it cool to 0%, so that it doesn't keep
flickering off/on?L21[00:28:54] <Generalcamo> And RC 1.12 works best
with.. I dunno
<Generalcamo> And RC 1.12 works best
with.. I dunnoL22[00:29:02] <Generalcamo> IC2
<Generalcamo> IC2L23[00:29:22] <Natesky9> Honestly, Railcraft would
work best with forestry
<Natesky9> Honestly, Railcraft would
work best with forestryL24[00:29:28] <Natesky9> and immersive
<Natesky9> and immersiveL25[00:29:56] <Natesky9> only two instances I can
see multiple bases requiring transport
<Natesky9> only two instances I can
see multiple bases requiring transportL26[00:31:26] <Generalcamo> We do have official
integration with Forestry in the form of Bee Filters
<Generalcamo> We do have official
integration with Forestry in the form of Bee FiltersL27[00:32:02] <liach>
No, rc really works with gregtech
<liach>
No, rc really works with gregtechL28[00:32:09] <liach>
Otherwise the pipes are too cheap
<liach>
Otherwise the pipes are too cheapL29[00:32:42] <Generalcamo> Pipes?
<Generalcamo> Pipes?L30[00:35:17] <Generalcamo> If you are referring to
GT pipes, those are _really_ expensive
<Generalcamo> If you are referring to
GT pipes, those are _really_ expensiveL31[00:38:08] <liach>
buildcraft pipes are too cheap and too powerful
<liach>
buildcraft pipes are too cheap and too powerfulL32[00:38:28] <liach>
we need to further reduce the drag of minecarts (now locomotives
are too weak in terms of horsepower)
<liach>
we need to further reduce the drag of minecarts (now locomotives
are too weak in terms of horsepower)L33[00:39:10] <liach>
and locomotives eat waaaaaaaay too much fuel (recall i used 10 coal
blocks to travel from player and my base to neptunepunk's base
on the patron server)
<liach>
and locomotives eat waaaaaaaay too much fuel (recall i used 10 coal
blocks to travel from player and my base to neptunepunk's base
on the patron server)L34[00:39:28] <Generalcamo> Wait
<Generalcamo> WaitL35[00:39:36] <Generalcamo> Why are you using
Buildcraft with GT
<Generalcamo> Why are you using
Buildcraft with GTL36[00:39:39] ⇨
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L37[00:39:39] <Generalcamo> That's not
good
<Generalcamo> That's not
goodL38[00:39:44] <Generalcamo> GT has its own item
pipes
<Generalcamo> GT has its own item
pipesL39[00:40:03] <liach>
I mean if you use rc with buildcraft no one will build
railways
<liach>
I mean if you use rc with buildcraft no one will build
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L41[00:41:07] <Generalcamo> Creating a 120 block
long pipeline is insane
<Generalcamo> Creating a 120 block
long pipeline is insaneL42[00:41:37] <Mimiru> I totally built rail
lines for transporting stuff with BC.
L43[00:42:05] <Generalcamo> I should mention that
railways are a one-size-fits-all deal. They can transport liquids
and items of all sorts
<Generalcamo> I should mention that
railways are a one-size-fits-all deal. They can transport liquids
and items of all sortsL44[00:42:06] <liach>
but 120 block pipe is somehow cheaper than 120 block rail
<liach>
but 120 block pipe is somehow cheaper than 120 block railL45[00:42:13] <Generalcamo> Not really
<Generalcamo> Not reallyL46[00:42:23] <liach>
and now the liquid loader loads liquid way slower than the item
loader
<liach>
and now the liquid loader loads liquid way slower than the item
loaderL47[00:42:36] <abculatter_2> You have to chunkload
the whole pipe, though
<abculatter_2> You have to chunkload
the whole pipe, thoughL48[00:42:37] <Generalcamo> How is that
relevant?
<Generalcamo> How is that
relevant?L49[00:42:45] <Generalcamo> (The loader stuff)
<Generalcamo> (The loader stuff)L50[00:43:03] <Generalcamo> Pipes transport fluids a
whole lot slower unless you use gold pipes
<Generalcamo> Pipes transport fluids a
whole lot slower unless you use gold pipesL51[00:44:12] <Generalcamo> Those are not
cheap
<Generalcamo> Those are not
cheapL52[00:48:35] <liach>
pipes are too cheap. In vanilla you transport with hoppers and
droppers which are more expensive than pipes
<liach>
pipes are too cheap. In vanilla you transport with hoppers and
droppers which are more expensive than pipesL53[00:48:52] <liach>
even if the output of pipe recipes are cut 1/8 they are still
relatively cheap
<liach>
even if the output of pipe recipes are cut 1/8 they are still
relatively cheapL54[00:50:29] <Natesky9> Yeah, that's something
that bothers me about vanilla
<Natesky9> Yeah, that's something
that bothers me about vanillaL55[00:50:40] <Natesky9> things are automatable, but
hella expensive
<Natesky9> things are automatable, but
hella expensiveL56[00:50:54] <Natesky9> 5 iron per block is quite
high
<Natesky9> 5 iron per block is quite
highL57[00:51:32] <Generalcamo> Pipes aren't
equivilent to hoppers though
<Generalcamo> Pipes aren't
equivilent to hoppers thoughL58[00:51:43] <Generalcamo> The closest equivilent
is the Buildcraft Chute
<Generalcamo> The closest equivilent
is the Buildcraft ChuteL59[00:51:47] <liach>
you can use dropper plus water
<liach>
you can use dropper plus waterL60[00:51:55] <Generalcamo> Which was the original
Hopper
<Generalcamo> Which was the original
HopperL61[00:52:08] <Generalcamo> (Anyone remember several
block high chutes on those IC2 machines?)
<Generalcamo> (Anyone remember several
block high chutes on those IC2 machines?)L62[00:53:36] <Natesky9> Yeah, it's nice that
vanilla actually implimented some modded concepts into the core
game
<Natesky9> Yeah, it's nice that
vanilla actually implimented some modded concepts into the core
gameL63[00:53:54] <Natesky9> I think the first of those
being pistons
<Natesky9> I think the first of those
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L65[01:00:02] <Natesky9> I've actually been
making great progress in our server, even though I've been
hopping literally all over the place
<Natesky9> I've actually been
making great progress in our server, even though I've been
hopping literally all over the placeL66[01:00:20] <Generalcamo> What server do you play
on?
<Generalcamo> What server do you play
on?L67[01:00:41] <Natesky9> The Thaumcraft 6 beta
server, but also on the TC 4
<Natesky9> The Thaumcraft 6 beta
server, but also on the TC 4L68[01:00:47] <Natesky9> which has all the good
mods
<Natesky9> which has all the good
modsL69[01:00:53] <Natesky9> (especially
railcraft)
<Natesky9> (especially
railcraft)L70[01:01:15] <Natesky9> One thing that I saw had
great potential was villager trading
<Natesky9> One thing that I saw had
great potential was villager tradingL71[01:01:46] <Natesky9> 2 emeralds effectively
equals 1 diamond, if you get a blacksmith trade
<Natesky9> 2 emeralds effectively
equals 1 diamond, if you get a blacksmith tradeL72[01:05:59] <Natesky9> The thing about resource
transport in modded, is that rarely do you ever need to transport
things long distances. Even in the case of quarries, it's just
not worth it to set up a station, then have to move it once
it's depleted
<Natesky9> The thing about resource
transport in modded, is that rarely do you ever need to transport
things long distances. Even in the case of quarries, it's just
not worth it to set up a station, then have to move it once
it's depletedL73[01:06:23] <Generalcamo> Of course you do
<Generalcamo> Of course you doL74[01:06:35] <Generalcamo> Just use a
tesseract
<Generalcamo> Just use a
tesseractL75[01:06:40] <Generalcamo> Who needs
stations?
<Generalcamo> Who needs
stations?L76[01:06:58] <Natesky9> But then that defeats the
purpose of trains, if you can teleport items
<Natesky9> But then that defeats the
purpose of trains, if you can teleport itemsL77[01:07:05] <Generalcamo> Exactly...
<Generalcamo> Exactly...L78[01:07:31] <Generalcamo> In our server, I do
actually have a station setup for water transport
<Generalcamo> In our server, I do
actually have a station setup for water transportL79[01:07:41] <Natesky9> but that's the
inherent problem with railcraft. It's "Why make an
extensive train network when I don't have to"
<Natesky9> but that's the
inherent problem with railcraft. It's "Why make an
extensive train network when I don't have to"L80[01:07:42] ⇦
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L81[01:08:00] <Generalcamo> Killed by item
teleportation
<Generalcamo> Killed by item
teleportationL82[01:08:25] <Generalcamo> The large servers
outright ban the major parts of railcraft
<Generalcamo> The large servers
outright ban the major parts of railcraftL83[01:09:31] <Natesky9> so then the question, what
does railcraft do?
<Natesky9> so then the question, what
does railcraft do?L84[01:09:49] <Generalcamo> _Cosmetics_!
<Generalcamo> _Cosmetics_!L85[01:09:56] <Generalcamo> Also some sort of steam
system
<Generalcamo> Also some sort of steam
systemL86[01:10:19] <Generalcamo> I dunno I just made a
boiler and plugged it into my turbine to produce energy
<Generalcamo> I dunno I just made a
boiler and plugged it into my turbine to produce energyL87[01:12:02] <Natesky9> I think that's why
railcraft has gotten stuck, is because it doesn't have
identity. Yeah, it's "The trains mod", but what
aspect about it makes people use it?
<Natesky9> I think that's why
railcraft has gotten stuck, is because it doesn't have
identity. Yeah, it's "The trains mod", but what
aspect about it makes people use it?L88[01:12:03] <liach>
oh that cheap blast furnace and coke oven
<liach>
oh that cheap blast furnace and coke ovenL89[01:12:25] <liach>
and the trade station
<liach>
and the trade stationL90[01:12:35] <liach>
worldspike (world anchor) minecarts
<liach>
worldspike (world anchor) minecartsL91[01:12:54] <Natesky9> That is true, railcraft is
king of chunkloading
<Natesky9> That is true, railcraft is
king of chunkloadingL92[01:13:09] <liach>
not any more, other mods are coming in
<liach>
not any more, other mods are coming inL93[01:13:30] <liach>
there is minemaarten signals adding openttd signals
<liach>
there is minemaarten signals adding openttd signalsL94[01:14:56] <Natesky9> I think for railcraft to
pick back up in popularity, it has to step up in it's role of
"industrializing minecraft"
<Natesky9> I think for railcraft to
pick back up in popularity, it has to step up in it's role of
"industrializing minecraft"L95[01:14:58] <Generalcamo> Not quite
<Generalcamo> Not quiteL96[01:15:05] <Generalcamo> ChickenChunks is more
popular
<Generalcamo> ChickenChunks is more
popularL97[01:15:31] <Generalcamo> ...because it's
free
<Generalcamo> ...because it's
freeL98[01:15:59] <Natesky9> True, but I've had
servers corrupted by chickenchunks
<Natesky9> True, but I've had
servers corrupted by chickenchunksL99[01:16:03] <Natesky9> multiple times
<Natesky9> multiple timesL100[01:16:06] <liach>
corrupted?
<liach>
corrupted?L101[01:16:10] <liach>
how
<liach>
howL102[01:16:46] <Generalcamo> Chunks become
unloable
<Generalcamo> Chunks become
unloableL103[01:16:49] <Generalcamo> Chunks become unloadable
[Edited]
<Generalcamo> Chunks become unloadable
[Edited]L104[01:17:01] <Generalcamo> The only reason it is
popular is because server owners like it more and it's
free
<Generalcamo> The only reason it is
popular is because server owners like it more and it's
freeL105[01:17:09] <liach>
what types of error occur when the chunk break
<liach>
what types of error occur when the chunk breakL106[01:17:16] <Generalcamo> None
<Generalcamo> NoneL107[01:17:19] <Generalcamo> The chunk just
disappears
<Generalcamo> The chunk just
disappearsL108[01:17:28] <Generalcamo> Never to be seen
again
<Generalcamo> Never to be seen
againL109[01:17:30] <liach>
just become void and player fall in?
<liach>
just become void and player fall in?L110[01:17:40] <Natesky9> no, complete
regeneration
<Natesky9> no, complete
regenerationL111[01:17:43] <Generalcamo> I think it gets reloaded
into a fresh chunk usually
<Generalcamo> I think it gets reloaded
into a fresh chunk usuallyL112[01:18:06] <Natesky9> had half a base get cut
right down the middle, despite the entire thing being loaded by 1
loader
<Natesky9> had half a base get cut
right down the middle, despite the entire thing being loaded by 1
loaderL113[01:18:14] <Natesky9> made me sad
<Natesky9> made me sadL114[01:18:15] <liach>
maybe chicken chunks did not handle the serialization of chunks
properly when the chunk must be unloaded after shutting down the
server, etc
<liach>
maybe chicken chunks did not handle the serialization of chunks
properly when the chunk must be unloaded after shutting down the
server, etcL115[01:18:21] <Generalcamo> Probably not
<Generalcamo> Probably notL116[01:18:30] <liach>
too many ticckets?
<liach>
too many ticckets?L117[01:18:37] <Generalcamo> ChickenBones was a
better graphical programmer
<Generalcamo> ChickenBones was a
better graphical programmerL118[01:18:51] <liach>
his code is poor indeed
<liach>
his code is poor indeedL119[01:18:52] <Generalcamo> His mods were very
pretty to look at
<Generalcamo> His mods were very
pretty to look atL120[01:19:34] <Generalcamo> A lot of mods like
Thermal Expansion rely on his code solely for the rendering for
that reason
<Generalcamo> A lot of mods like
Thermal Expansion rely on his code solely for the rendering for
that reasonL121[01:19:37] <Natesky9> Oh yeah, thanks for
reminding me, I wanted to make an issue about cart linking
graphics
<Natesky9> Oh yeah, thanks for
reminding me, I wanted to make an issue about cart linking
graphicsL122[01:19:48] <liach>
isn't malisiscore bette
<liach>
isn't malisiscore betteL123[01:20:26] <Generalcamo> Maybe
<Generalcamo> MaybeL124[02:02:05] ⇦
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L154[15:55:03] <Awf>
You make an extensive train network because you WANT to,
dude.
<Awf>
You make an extensive train network because you WANT to,
dude.L155[15:55:04] <Awf>
lol
<Awf>
lolL156[16:02:20] <vedrit> I like trains.
<vedrit> I like trains.L157[16:02:21] <vedrit> I like trains taking me to my
various quarries and manufacturing locations for inspections and/or
upgrades
<vedrit> I like trains taking me to my
various quarries and manufacturing locations for inspections and/or
upgradesL158[16:08:48] <liach>
trains are fun but they are too slow in railcraft
<liach>
trains are fun but they are too slow in railcraftL159[16:09:07] <liach>
especially because that the locomotive cannot pull a long traine
effectively
<liach>
especially because that the locomotive cannot pull a long traine
effectivelyL160[16:09:12] <bball.psd> *high speed tracks*
<bball.psd> *high speed tracks*L161[16:09:51] <liach>
they are unstable yet
<liach>
they are unstable yetL162[16:09:55] <liach>
we need more test on them
<liach>
we need more test on themL163[16:10:12] <liach>
btw high speed track is not compatible with locomotives; locos go
really slow on high speed tracks
<liach>
btw high speed track is not compatible with locomotives; locos go
really slow on high speed tracksL164[16:10:35] <liach>
maybe we need a revamp on locomotives just like how we will rewrite
tunnel bore
<liach>
maybe we need a revamp on locomotives just like how we will rewrite
tunnel boreL165[16:10:41] <bball.psd> ❌
<bball.psd> ❌L166[16:10:51] <liach>
locos have ancient code
<liach>
locos have ancient codeL167[16:10:56] <bball.psd> HS track is compatible
with locos
<bball.psd> HS track is compatible
with locosL168[16:10:58] <liach>
much of them needs redesign
<liach>
much of them needs redesignL169[16:11:08] <bball.psd> as long as they are at max
speed
<bball.psd> as long as they are at max
speedL171[16:11:27] <liach>
Well it is not because of a bug
<liach>
Well it is not because of a bugL172[16:11:59] <liach>
I haven't looked deep into the locos yet because **they do not
break as hell as we port**
<liach>
I haven't looked deep into the locos yet because **they do not
break as hell as we port**L173[16:12:23] <liach>
But many issues may have been ignored during the porting
<liach>
But many issues may have been ignored during the portingL174[16:15:01] <dustboy> certain mods/features make
railcraft far more powerful
<dustboy> certain mods/features make
railcraft far more powerfulL175[16:16:43] <liach>
like the trade station?
<liach>
like the trade station?L176[16:17:07] <dustboy> that's not what i was
thinking but yes
<dustboy> that's not what i was
thinking but yesL177[16:17:38] <liach>
People often say trade station is the best thing for automation in
villager trading
<liach>
People often say trade station is the best thing for automation in
villager tradingL178[16:17:54] <dustboy> iguanatweaks, better with
mods, iberia etc. all make rail lines a lot more useful
<dustboy> iguanatweaks, better with
mods, iberia etc. all make rail lines a lot more usefulL179[16:18:12] <liach>
Although from a vanila perspective the trade station needs some
feature like trade unlocking
<liach>
Although from a vanila perspective the trade station needs some
feature like trade unlockingL180[16:18:34] <liach>
@dustboy how does iguanatweaks enhance rail lines?
<liach>
@dustboy how does iguanatweaks enhance rail lines?L181[16:19:18] <dustboy> weight restriction mechanic
makes it harder to mine and return home with a ton of
resources
<dustboy> weight restriction mechanic
makes it harder to mine and return home with a ton of
resourcesL182[16:20:14] <dustboy> also the block type slowness
makes certain biomes like deserts and snowy biomes a pain to
traverse until you can build a line through them
<dustboy> also the block type slowness
makes certain biomes like deserts and snowy biomes a pain to
traverse until you can build a line through themL183[16:38:01] ⇦
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L184[16:45:51] <Natesky9> imo, the trade station
needs a reqork
<Natesky9> imo, the trade station
needs a reqorkL185[16:46:09] <Natesky9> not gonna bother fixing
that
<Natesky9> not gonna bother fixing
thatL186[16:54:02] <Awf>
my best memories from an ftb server i used to play was when my
friend used the drill thing and bore through the world
<Awf>
my best memories from an ftb server i used to play was when my
friend used the drill thing and bore through the worldL187[16:54:05] <Awf>
it was magnificent
<Awf>
it was magnificentL188[16:55:49] <Awf>
he was the best AE user in the server, a cunning technician, and a
good friend
<Awf>
he was the best AE user in the server, a cunning technician, and a
good friendL189[17:02:09] <Natesky9> You speak as if he's
passed away
<Natesky9> You speak as if he's
passed awayL190[17:02:13] <Natesky9> I hope that isn't the
case
<Natesky9> I hope that isn't the
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L192[17:55:09] <Awf>
no i was just referencing a quote by obi wan kenobi from a new
hope
<Awf>
no i was just referencing a quote by obi wan kenobi from a new
hopeL193[17:55:10] <Awf>
lel
<Awf>
lelL194[18:54:58] <Natesky9> I should remake the trade
station issue again, now that I have more ideas for it
<Natesky9> I should remake the trade
station issue again, now that I have more ideas for itL195[18:55:42] <Natesky9> but first
<Natesky9> but firstL196[18:55:52] <Natesky9> what are the plans for the
chem lab?
<Natesky9> what are the plans for the
chem lab?L197[18:56:04] <Natesky9> are there any ore
refinement plans?
<Natesky9> are there any ore
refinement plans?L198[18:56:23] <Natesky9> like, is there another
option than just smelting poor ore?
<Natesky9> like, is there another
option than just smelting poor ore?L199[18:57:18] <liach>
@Natesky9 With ic2 installed you can macerate poor ores
<liach>
@Natesky9 With ic2 installed you can macerate poor oresL200[18:58:09]
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L205[19:05:33] <Natesky9> I haven't really
played with the new railcraft to know how well
<Natesky9> I haven't really
played with the new railcraft to know how wellL206[19:06:04] <Natesky9> in 1.7.10, poor ore was
just tossed out like extra cobblestone
<Natesky9> in 1.7.10, poor ore was
just tossed out like extra cobblestoneL207[20:22:54]
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L214[20:30:52] <Generalcamo> I'll be making a
proper production chain one of these days
<Generalcamo> I'll be making a
proper production chain one of these daysL215[20:31:03] <Generalcamo> It will support Zinc and
Nickel fully
<Generalcamo> It will support Zinc and
Nickel fullyL216[20:53:45] ⇦
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