L11[02:46:06] <AEnterprise> so the #video-and-stream-announcements channel is broken, there are no messages but it keeps showing as having unread messages to me

L15[03:19:21] <Forecaster> see #bots

L16[03:25:41] <AEnterprise> ah alright, sorry

L39[12:35:47] <vigilian> Guys, from..the beginning of 1.10 I have difficulties to have electricity in game. And now that a lot of mods are going to be on 1.11 is even more difficult. So does the engine blocks been activated on railcraft and if yes do you have a alternative of buildcraft for the pipes?

L41[12:50:18] <Hanakocz> well, probably easiest way is to alternate pipes by minecarts, but it takes more space.

L42[13:12:09] <Forecaster> No, there are no engines yet

L49[17:27:56] <Kodos> Honestly, if you want the full Railcraft experience, stay on 1.7.10, but if you want new stuffs, you'll have to wait it out with the rest of us :3

L50[17:29:44] <Forecaster> Or get on the Patreon train

L51[17:29:49] <Forecaster> ?

L52[17:29:55] <bball> i see what you did

L53[17:35:56] <Natesky9> Yeah, 1.7.10 is where everything just kinda.. Died off..

L54[17:36:22] <Forecaster> My what a positive way to look at it

L55[17:37:39] <Natesky9> I mean, at least there are promising replacements, like immersive engineering

L56[17:38:22] <Natesky9> I hope that thermal expansion makes a comeback

L57[17:38:50] <Natesky9> And I really wish Thaumcraft would make reappearance

L58[17:39:09] <Forecaster> I don't really care about either of those

L59[17:41:49] <Natesky9> Well, I don't really care for CanolaCraft, plant Witchery, or any of the new, half-baked mods that don't quite hit the mark

L60[17:42:19] <Forecaster> Okay...

L61[17:43:43] <Natesky9> I like the 1.7.10 mods. I don't like that I can't play them on an up-to-date version of the game

L63[17:57:35] <Kodos> Honestly, there hasn't really been an update (To vanilla) since 1.7.10 that's really made me interested in updating. Sure, there are shields and a combat rework, but I can get better stuff from Mine and Blade, and Dynamic Sword Skills

L64[17:57:54] <Kodos> I don't like the additional requirement put on enchanting and potion brewing

L65[17:58:07] <Kodos> And I don't need the new mobs badly enough to warrant updating

L66[18:01:42] <Natesky9> I'm personally disappointed with vanilla enchanting and brewing. I don't mind the changes, funny enough, I hate how it changes almost nothing, adds almost nothing except cheaper lv 30 books and a use for lapis

L67[18:02:55] <Kodos> Speaking of lapis, I need to work on new sprites for my mod and then deal with recipes ugh

L68[18:03:02] <Natesky9> Plus, the "stackable potions" in the form of arrows are hilariously useless, lingering potions are just more useless splash potions

L69[18:04:49] <Kodos> I'd still like to see the ability to right click another player with a potion (good ones only to avoid grief) to apply it at 3/4 the duration

L70[18:05:03] <Kodos> Then you could have a dedicated healer for boss fights

L71[18:05:15] <Kodos> For being a sandbox game, it is still very limiting in some areas

L72[18:06:23] <Natesky9> But is that more because of the implementation, or the limitations

L73[19:10:09] <Natesky9> What I'm curious about, is why forge doesn't act like a code base translator between versions. I mean, wouldn't that make it easier for modders if they didn't have to reformat every version?

L74[19:11:22] <bball> Because Forge hates things that make sense

L75[19:12:29] <Natesky9> That can't be the case, since they made the framework that allowed mods to work together

L76[19:12:39] <Natesky9> I mean, they created the ore dictionary

L77[19:19:46] <Chocohead> Probably performance more than anything

L78[19:20:17] <Chocohead> As the vanilla code base shifted further and further from the original starting point, there would need to be more and more hacks to patch it to work like it used to

L79[19:23:17] <Natesky9> Then... Forge would provide that... I don't see the problem there

L80[19:24:32] <Natesky9> If there's ever a large enough split between old methods and newer ones that it requires an individualized approach, then maybe

L81[19:27:06] <Chocohead> The old way has no guarantee of working along side the new one, thus you could quite quickly end up with dragging forward old vanilla code that then has to run with the new vanilla code too

L82[19:27:35] <liach> @Kodos 1.10 has many new features

L83[19:27:35] <Chocohead> From Forge's point of view it's a colossal maintenance overhead that they would never want

L85[19:29:17] <liach> And things will be back soon (trademark)

L86[19:29:42] <bball> ™ <- copypaste that ;)

L87[19:42:02] <liach> How to type it? Alt plus what?

L88[19:42:38] <bball> I dont know about windows, but mac its option 2, or Discord has it as an emoji ™

L89[19:42:49] <bball> ``:tm:``

L90[19:44:56] <Natesky9> For Windows, it's alt + 0153

L91[19:45:20] <MrConductor1> * <bball> votes emoji

L92[19:46:05] <Natesky9> I've memorized a couple of alt codes that always come in handy

L93[19:46:14] <Natesky9> Like the music notes

L107[21:52:41] <Jackson> I don't understand why forge can't just keep the same API

L108[21:52:53] <Jackson> Or at least allow for deprecated functions to still work

L109[21:53:02] <Jackson> So using old mods would still owkr

L110[21:53:06] <Jackson> So using old mods would still work

L111[21:53:17] <liach> @Jackson Forge is not like that, it is just to allow more than one mod to run together

L112[21:53:25] <liach> Instead of making things cross-version

L113[21:53:31] <liach> That is Sponge API's job

L114[21:53:45] <Jackson> I get that

L115[21:54:02] <Jackson> But still, why couldn't they stick to a certain way of doing things

L116[21:54:16] <Jackson> Or at *least* keeping the old functions, just porting them to the new version.

L117[22:03:17] <liach> Because stupid mojang hurts mods!

L118[22:13:59] <Raga> If you do a lot of technical vanilla contraptions, the new updates change and improve upon pretty much almost everything really. Observer and Slime Blocks changed how to engage the game. The combat rework is simple, but is quite enough ... and the dual wielding is super useful. It's certainly not the main attention for me, but it does work quite well. You have tons of Lapis and tons of Blaze Powder for enchanting and brewing, so I don't r

L119[22:13:59] <Raga> consider it as a real additional requirement, it doesn't even really hinder that much since you don't enchant and brew 24/7. Plus, it makes sense ... tons of mods do it too, even Railcraft here. The new mobs are just for fun I feel, the technical updates are very important. Splash Potions have never been useless; an efficient Guardian XP Farm could do very well with a Splash Potion killing method. The Lingering Potion could kill a whole p

L120[22:13:59] <Raga> mobs, and provide boost for you for a period of time ... a way for your dedicated healer.

L123[22:19:52] <SkySom> @Jackson sometimes legacy code needs to die.

L124[22:20:01] <SkySom> So a new MC version is the best time for that.

L125[22:20:07] <SkySom> So mods only break once

L126[22:20:15] <Jackson> I guess

L127[22:20:28] <Jackson> But wouldn't it help so much, at least keeping support for old functions...

L128[22:22:25] <SkySom> It wouldn't

L129[22:22:35] <SkySom> Because you'd have half using the old

L130[22:22:37] <SkySom> half using the new

L131[22:22:44] <SkySom> and in a lot of cases the two wouldn't work together

L132[22:22:52] <SkySom> (See IInventory vs IItemStackHandler)

L133[22:22:56] <Jackson> Oh, okay.

L134[22:22:59] <Jackson> I see.

L135[22:26:24] <bball> @Raga I agree, the new features are great, but the problem comes from all the backend changes that make no difference to vanilla but they mean modders have to completely redo everything

L136[22:28:21] <Jackson> That sucks

L137[22:28:33] <Jackson> I wonder why Mojang does that? Optimization?

L138[22:34:47] <SkySom> To fix stuff, make things better for them, able to add new features

L139[22:35:07] <SkySom> Any number of reasons to change code