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<SpiderEveryOS> %tonk
<SpiderEveryOS> %tonkL2[01:56:23] <MichiBot> Yeah!
SpiderEveryOS! You beat your own previous record of 0s (By 9h 5m
32s)! I hope you're happy!
L3[01:56:23] <MichiBot> SpiderEveryOS's
new record is 9h 5m 32s! No points gained for stealing from
yourself. (Lost out on 0.00909)
L4[04:04:07] <Corded> > <einBeo>
the robot just crossed a chunk boundary too
L5[04:04:08] <Renno>
supposedly the chunk loader upgrade works in a 3x3 around the
robots current chunk so it shouldn't be possible but I have
noticed that a few times but never confirmed it
<Renno>
supposedly the chunk loader upgrade works in a 3x3 around the
robots current chunk so it shouldn't be possible but I have
noticed that a few times but never confirmed itL6[04:05:42] <Renno> I
couldn't tell what was happening on my long running stuff
which is why I made a robot library that has position and
orientation persistence
<Renno> I
couldn't tell what was happening on my long running stuff
which is why I made a robot library that has position and
orientation persistenceL7[04:06:12] <Renno> and
typically my bots don't run off into infinity so I'll
setup a redstone card computer that broadcasts a wake message for
the robot to autostart back where it was
<Renno> and
typically my bots don't run off into infinity so I'll
setup a redstone card computer that broadcasts a wake message for
the robot to autostart back where it wasL8[06:37:28] *** Joins: Vexatos
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L11[08:56:37] <Corded> > <Renno>
supposedly the chunk loader upgrade works in a 3x3 around t…
L12[08:56:37] <einBeo>
I'm more inclined to think the ticket was orphaned first,
followed by the robot leaving the area
<einBeo>
I'm more inclined to think the ticket was orphaned first,
followed by the robot leaving the areaL13[08:57:25] <Corded> > <Renno>
and typically my bots don't run off into infinity so I'll
s…
L14[08:57:25] <einBeo>
limiting the working area is reasonable, albeit loading the full
128x128 chunk working area would be less so
<einBeo>
limiting the working area is reasonable, albeit loading the full
128x128 chunk working area would be less soL15[08:57:54] <einBeo> *
my full 128x128 chunk working area would be less so in this
case
<einBeo> *
my full 128x128 chunk working area would be less so in this
caseL16[08:58:03] <einBeo>
+and loading that
<einBeo>
+and loading thatL17[08:58:27] <einBeo> at
the end of a day, if this failiure mode is rare enough, backups
will fix it
<einBeo> at
the end of a day, if this failiure mode is rare enough, backups
will fix itL18[08:58:55] <einBeo>
but if it happens daily then I have a problem
<einBeo>
but if it happens daily then I have a problemL19[09:14:29] ⇨
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L20[10:52:07] <Corded> > <einBeo>
I'm more inclined to think the ticket was orphaned first,
f…
L21[10:52:07] <Renno>
Yeah, that's probably true. Was it always on the first block
in a new chunk, or was that only sometimes? Maybe there's some
weird behavior where it's not losing all of the chunks at
once, but instead only one or maybe the outer chunks. And so the
moment it moves out of the chunk that it was in, it then drops it
fully and turns off
<Renno>
Yeah, that's probably true. Was it always on the first block
in a new chunk, or was that only sometimes? Maybe there's some
weird behavior where it's not losing all of the chunks at
once, but instead only one or maybe the outer chunks. And so the
moment it moves out of the chunk that it was in, it then drops it
fully and turns offL22[10:52:34] <Corded> > <einBeo>
limiting the working area and loading that is reasonable, a…
L23[10:52:34] <Renno>
What exactly are you trying to do?
<Renno>
What exactly are you trying to do?L24[11:04:32] ⇨
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L25[11:16:15] <Corded> > <Renno>
Yeah, that's probably true. Was it always on the first
bloc…
L26[11:16:15] <einBeo>
it's happened once so far, trying to reproduce it with no luck
so far. That time, however, had the robot just exit a chunk. I
doubt that the ticket is somehow losing chunks rather than getting
lost alltogether
<einBeo>
it's happened once so far, trying to reproduce it with no luck
so far. That time, however, had the robot just exit a chunk. I
doubt that the ticket is somehow losing chunks rather than getting
lost alltogetherL27[11:16:21] <Corded> > <Renno>
What exactly are you trying to do?
L28[11:16:21] <einBeo>
robot only run
<einBeo>
robot only runL29[11:17:52] <einBeo>
specifically, starting the run by looting thaumcraft structures for
a certain couple items https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550828267379105852/1789816672210-4f1db3ae0aad.png
<einBeo>
specifically, starting the run by looting thaumcraft structures for
a certain couple items https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550828267379105852/1789816672210-4f1db3ae0aad.pngL30[11:19:42] <Corded> > <einBeo>
it's happened once so far, trying to reproduce it with no
l…
L31[11:19:42] <RedstoneParkour> i mean you could build
some redundancy
<RedstoneParkour> i mean you could build
some redundancyL32[11:20:07] <RedstoneParkour> if some robot goes
offline unexpectedly send another robot that way
<RedstoneParkour> if some robot goes
offline unexpectedly send another robot that wayL33[11:20:20] <RedstoneParkour> or have them always
travel in pairs
<RedstoneParkour> or have them always
travel in pairsL34[11:20:33] <einBeo>
handling robot "death" will definitely be necessary
<einBeo>
handling robot "death" will definitely be necessaryL35[11:20:48] <einBeo>
though handling it via backups may just be sufficient and very
easy
<einBeo>
though handling it via backups may just be sufficient and very
easyL36[11:21:25] <RedstoneParkour> well that requires you
to be active in case that happens
<RedstoneParkour> well that requires you
to be active in case that happensL37[11:21:39] <einBeo> I
can automate it, though there is a risk involved
<einBeo> I
can automate it, though there is a risk involvedL38[11:21:43] <RedstoneParkour> also instead of sending
a robot you could send a drone; those are faster
<RedstoneParkour> also instead of sending
a robot you could send a drone; those are fasterL39[11:22:08] <RedstoneParkour> yep
<RedstoneParkour> yepL40[11:22:25] <einBeo>
drones are enticing, I'm still considering them
<einBeo>
drones are enticing, I'm still considering themL41[11:22:57] <einBeo>
but they may be much harder to deal with, bringing many more
failiure modes with them, primarily concerning their
entity-ness
<einBeo>
but they may be much harder to deal with, bringing many more
failiure modes with them, primarily concerning their
entity-nessL42[11:23:20] <einBeo>
but they are cool and fast...
<einBeo>
but they are cool and fast...L43[11:25:29] <Corded> > <einBeo>
I can automate it, though there is a risk involved
L44[11:25:29] <einBeo>
this would digress from OC so I'll only leave this as a quick
side note: You could aleviate the risk by automatically
"labelling" backups as "safe", always keeping
at least a couple "safe" backups in store and always
loading to the latest "safe" backup on restart
<einBeo>
this would digress from OC so I'll only leave this as a quick
side note: You could aleviate the risk by automatically
"labelling" backups as "safe", always keeping
at least a couple "safe" backups in store and always
loading to the latest "safe" backup on restartL45[11:25:50] <einBeo>
the key challenge would be in labelling backups as safe
<einBeo>
the key challenge would be in labelling backups as safeL47[11:27:00] <einBeo>
*
<einBeo>
*L48[11:27:00] <Corded> -make backup on
server A, unlabelled
L49[11:27:00] <Corded> -A resumes as
normal
L50[11:27:00] <Corded> -B loads the
backup
L51[11:27:00] <Corded> -run safety check on
backup
L52[11:27:01] <Corded> -if
L53[11:27:26] <einBeo> *
restart. This system would guarantee non-decreasing progress
<einBeo> *
restart. This system would guarantee non-decreasing progressL54[11:27:43] <einBeo>
<sidenote closed>
<einBeo>
<sidenote closed>L56[11:32:29] <einBeo>
-simpler and
<einBeo>
-simpler andL57[12:10:36] <SpiderEveryOS> %tonkout
<SpiderEveryOS> %tonkoutL58[12:10:37] <MichiBot> Fiddlesticks!
SpiderEveryOS! You beat your own previous record of 9h 5m 32s (By
1h 8m 41s)! I hope you're happy!
L59[12:10:37] <MichiBot> SpiderEveryOS has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.01 tonk points! plus
0.018 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 3.4147406,
Position #1
L60[12:28:34] <Corded> > <einBeo>
handling robot "death" will definitely be necessary
L61[12:28:35] <Renno> use
an internet card to report to a backend so you can track where they
last were and then when that robot stops reporting when it was out
on a job send another robot to its position to then have it
broadcast a wake message to that robot until it starts reporting
again and then have the hero bot return home
<Renno> use
an internet card to report to a backend so you can track where they
last were and then when that robot stops reporting when it was out
on a job send another robot to its position to then have it
broadcast a wake message to that robot until it starts reporting
again and then have the hero bot return homeL62[12:28:51] <Renno>
and you can even have a robot factory just for it
<Renno>
and you can even have a robot factory just for itL63[12:29:03] <Renno>
totally extravigant but cool
<Renno>
totally extravigant but coolL64[12:46:16] <Amanda> %choose cubes or
space
L65[12:46:16] <MichiBot> A nearby lamp
replies "space".
L66[12:46:36] <Amanda> Hrm... %choose hands
or wall
L67[12:46:36] <MichiBot> Oh no, not
"hands" again! I'll have "wall"
instead.
L68[12:50:01] <Amanda> Hrm... Neither,
lap!
L69[12:56:41] <vftdan>
Are there legal ways to give control (potentially temporarily
moving current OpenOS thread to it ) to a particular OpenOS
process?
<vftdan>
Are there legal ways to give control (potentially temporarily
moving current OpenOS thread to it ) to a particular OpenOS
process?L70[12:57:53] <Izzy> aha, hi vftdan I
pushed the VLAN and NAT stuff which made the private modem stuff
redundant
L71[12:58:15] <vftdan>
nice
<vftdan>
niceL72[13:00:06] <vftdan>
Does that mean that sending domain names to another remote host is
meaningless?
<vftdan>
Does that mean that sending domain names to another remote host is
meaningless?L73[13:00:23] <Izzy> ?
L74[13:02:36] <vftdan>
Like, I have `pc1`, `pc2`, `pc3`. `pc1` tells `pc2` to contact
`pc3`. It probably wouldn't work if `pc1` and `pc2` are in
different VLANs, because `pc3` will have different domain names
relative to them?
<vftdan>
Like, I have `pc1`, `pc2`, `pc3`. `pc1` tells `pc2` to contact
`pc3`. It probably wouldn't work if `pc1` and `pc2` are in
different VLANs, because `pc3` will have different domain names
relative to them?L75[13:02:45] <Izzy> not necessarily
L76[13:02:51] <RedstoneParkour> hmm
<RedstoneParkour> hmmL77[13:02:52] <Izzy> you can just connect a
VLAN without a suffix
L78[13:03:04] <Izzy> you'll get
routing between
L79[13:03:05] <RedstoneParkour> have pc1 tell pc3 to
tell pc2 to contact pc3?
<RedstoneParkour> have pc1 tell pc3 to
tell pc2 to contact pc3?L80[13:03:08] <Izzy> suffix is
optional
L81[13:04:45] <Corded> > <einBeo>
<sidenote closed>
L82[13:04:45] <RedstoneParkour> riiight since you work
under the assumption of admin privileges (but no cheating)
<RedstoneParkour> riiight since you work
under the assumption of admin privileges (but no cheating)L83[13:07:33] <vftdan>
So, if I have several tablets running that are connected with each
other wirelessly and one of them is connected to a metropolitan
area network via a linked card, how do I configure hostnames and
routing between the PAN and the MAN?
<vftdan>
So, if I have several tablets running that are connected with each
other wirelessly and one of them is connected to a metropolitan
area network via a linked card, how do I configure hostnames and
routing between the PAN and the MAN?L84[13:07:54] <RedstoneParkour> ~oh god wireless mesh
network~
<RedstoneParkour> ~oh god wireless mesh
network~L85[13:08:06] <Izzy> if you want to limit
the linked card to just that device you can give it its own
suffix
L86[13:08:16] <RedstoneParkour> probably have the linked
card be a suffix yeah
<RedstoneParkour> probably have the linked
card be a suffix yeahL87[13:08:35] <Izzy> it's a little odd
to do it like that but it works
L88[13:08:37] <RedstoneParkour> though wdym just that
device?
<RedstoneParkour> though wdym just that
device?L89[13:08:59] <Izzy> oh. oh right yes
L90[13:09:01] <Izzy> PAN
L91[13:09:03] <RedstoneParkour> wouldnt other devices in
the wireless network also route through the linked card if they use
the suffix
<RedstoneParkour> wouldnt other devices in
the wireless network also route through the linked card if they use
the suffixL92[13:09:06] <Izzy> yeah no you'd
give the PAN a suffix
L93[13:09:11] <Izzy> via the linked
card
L94[13:09:37] <Izzy> rc minitel set_vlan
tunneladdr 0 .vftpan
L95[13:10:04] <RedstoneParkour> ideally you'd have
a suffix both ways: one to prevent unneeded metropolitan traffic
from going to your PAN and one vice-versa
<RedstoneParkour> ideally you'd have
a suffix both ways: one to prevent unneeded metropolitan traffic
from going to your PAN and one vice-versaL96[13:10:11] <RedstoneParkour> right?
<RedstoneParkour> right?L97[13:10:25] <Izzy> yup, one on the tablet
side also
L98[13:10:55] <RedstoneParkour> (or you use the nat i
made and configure it on just one end)
<RedstoneParkour> (or you use the nat i
made and configure it on just one end)L99[13:11:10] <RedstoneParkour> though for linked cards
it doesnt really matter
<RedstoneParkour> though for linked cards
it doesnt really matterL100[13:14:03] <Izzy> https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/blob/master/OpenOS/usr/man/minitel
for docs
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L103[13:35:25] <Amanda> Izzy does modem
address need to be the full address?
L104[13:35:58] <Izzy> Nop, passes through
to component.get
L105[13:37:57] <Amanda> %choose hexagons
or code
L106[13:37:57] <MichiBot> You'll want
to go with "code".
L107[14:48:01] <Corded> >
<einBeo> reacted ✅ to <RedstoneParkour> riiight since
you work under the assumption of admin privileges (but no
cheatin…
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L110[15:23:31] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL111[15:23:31] <MichiBot> Fiddlesticks!
Vaur! You beat SpiderEveryOS's previous record of 0s (By 3h
12m 54s)! I hope you're happy!
L112[15:23:31] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 3h 12m 54s! Vaur also gained 0.00322 tonk points for
stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.5037094 more points to pass
Forecaster!
L113[15:41:14] <Corded> >
<vftdan> Are there legal ways to give control (potentially
temporari…
L114[15:41:14] <vftdan>
like, is it legal to reassign `process.findProcess().parent`? What
invariants are there between coroutine statuses, process parents,
and thread attachments? How to manipulate these things without
breaking the invariants?
<vftdan>
like, is it legal to reassign `process.findProcess().parent`? What
invariants are there between coroutine statuses, process parents,
and thread attachments? How to manipulate these things without
breaking the invariants?L115[15:46:47] <Forecaster> you have to save the file
while in international waters
<Forecaster> you have to save the file
while in international watersL116[15:49:32] <Corded> >
<vftdan> like, is it legal to reassign
`process.findProcess().parent…
L117[15:49:32] <RedstoneParkour> i doubt it
<RedstoneParkour> i doubt itL119[16:03:28] <Corded> >
<vftdan> like, is it legal to reassign
`process.findProcess().parent…
L120[16:03:28] <vftdan> I
think, the things are related like this? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550900138044559462/1789833807559-ac6f65b57185.png
<vftdan> I
think, the things are related like this? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550900138044559462/1789833807559-ac6f65b57185.pngL121[16:09:12] <Corded> >
<vftdan> I think, the things are related like this?
L122[16:09:12] <vftdan>
Actually, more like this https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550901580629278773/1789834151493-aa927151443e.png
<vftdan>
Actually, more like this https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550901580629278773/1789834151493-aa927151443e.pngL123[16:12:50] <Corded> >
<vftdan> Actually, more like this
L124[16:12:51] <vftdan>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550902499664208015/1789834370425-9004c96ef90d.png
<vftdan>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550902499664208015/1789834370425-9004c96ef90d.pngL125[17:02:42] <Forecaster> Hmm, I think you should have
taken a left at albuquerque
<Forecaster> Hmm, I think you should have
taken a left at albuquerqueL126[18:49:59] <Forecaster> not ideal but %tonkout
<Forecaster> not ideal but %tonkoutL127[18:50:00] <MichiBot> Dogast!
Forecaster! You beat Vaur's previous record of 3h 12m 54s
(By 13m 34s)! I hope you're happy!
L128[18:50:00] <MichiBot> Forecaster has
stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk
points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to
50% because stealing) Current score: 2.8541094. Position #2 Need
0.5606312 more points to pass SpiderEveryOS!
L129[18:51:30] <Amanda> %splash
@Forecaster with mutable uranium potion
L130[18:51:30] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable electrum potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster.
@Forecaster turns into A Robot girl until they get up.
L131[19:03:24] <Forecaster> gets up to check what the
noise was
<Forecaster> gets up to check what the
noise wasL132[19:33:59] <Michiyo>
Well, heres an error I've never seen before https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550953117766647944/1789846438941-7e5f181a6ce5.png
<Michiyo>
Well, heres an error I've never seen before https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1550953117766647944/1789846438941-7e5f181a6ce5.pngL133[19:35:55] <Forecaster> huh
<Forecaster> huhL134[19:38:35] <Forecaster> ...I just tried out the Zed
editor because I've heard things about it
<Forecaster> ...I just tried out the Zed
editor because I've heard things about itL135[19:38:42] <Forecaster> there's no horizontal
scrollbar
<Forecaster> there's no horizontal
scrollbarL136[19:38:56] <Forecaster> there's an issue about
it that was opened in 2024
<Forecaster> there's an issue about
it that was opened in 2024L137[19:39:47] <Forecaster> there was apparently a PR for
it the same year, but it was never pulled
<Forecaster> there was apparently a PR for
it the same year, but it was never pulledL138[19:40:09] <Michiyo>
gotta love when a PR that fixes the exact issue you're having
is sitting there, stale...
<Michiyo>
gotta love when a PR that fixes the exact issue you're having
is sitting there, stale...L139[19:40:15] <Forecaster> how do you have a text editor
that doesn't scroll horizontally, but doesn't wrap the
text by default
<Forecaster> how do you have a text editor
that doesn't scroll horizontally, but doesn't wrap the
text by defaultL140[19:42:23] <Forecaster> oh wait, it says merged
<Forecaster> oh wait, it says mergedL141[19:42:35] <Forecaster> do you have to enable it in
the settings???
<Forecaster> do you have to enable it in
the settings???L142[19:45:24] <Forecaster> oh, seems the window had a
bottom I couldn't see because the window wasn't
maximized, but I couldn't tell
<Forecaster> oh, seems the window had a
bottom I couldn't see because the window wasn't
maximized, but I couldn't tellL143[20:25:33] ⇦
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L144[20:26:31] <SoraFirestorm> I interacted with Zed
briefly for like a week a while ago
<SoraFirestorm> I interacted with Zed
briefly for like a week a while agoL145[20:27:03] <SoraFirestorm> For the specific thing I
was trying to do (write an editor plugin/extension/mode), it was
actually kinda garbage
<SoraFirestorm> For the specific thing I
was trying to do (write an editor plugin/extension/mode), it was
actually kinda garbageL146[20:28:29] <SoraFirestorm> It had basically no API to
speak of, and even though I did manage to get what I wanted working
out of it, it required doing some awkward workarounds and manual
fiddling to 'install' my plugin
<SoraFirestorm> It had basically no API to
speak of, and even though I did manage to get what I wanted working
out of it, it required doing some awkward workarounds and manual
fiddling to 'install' my pluginL147[20:29:34] <SoraFirestorm> Someone liked it enough to
have been maining it for several months up to that point, though no
idea if they still use it or not
<SoraFirestorm> Someone liked it enough to
have been maining it for several months up to that point, though no
idea if they still use it or notL148[20:37:04] <Amanda> Wasn't zed
one of those "agentic editors"
L149[22:48:52] <SpiderEveryOS> %tonk
<SpiderEveryOS> %tonkL150[22:48:52] <MichiBot> Yippee!
SpiderEveryOS! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 0s
(By 3h 58m 52s)! I hope you're happy!
L151[22:48:52] <MichiBot>
SpiderEveryOS's new record is 3h 58m 52s! SpiderEveryOS also
gained 0.00398 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position
#1.
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L153[23:45:17] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> Well, heres an error I've never seen
before
L154[23:45:17] <Renno>
huh
<Renno>
huh