L1[00:01:39] 
<SoraFirestorm> yeah there is at least one
other recipe involving vanilla items that are also scuffed
<SoraFirestorm> yeah there is at least one
other recipe involving vanilla items that are also scuffedL2[00:02:00] <Michiyo>
Will take a look. Thanks
<Michiyo>
Will take a look. ThanksL3[00:02:50] <SoraFirestorm> I'll continue toying
around in creative for now
<SoraFirestorm> I'll continue toying
around in creative for nowL4[00:03:04] <SoraFirestorm> this is why we have test
instances lol
<SoraFirestorm> this is why we have test
instances lolL5[00:08:41] <SoraFirestorm> what does the slot in the
holographic screen do?
<SoraFirestorm> what does the slot in the
holographic screen do?L6[00:08:53] <Amanda> @Michiyo I believe in
before they adopted the c:nuggets/foo form from I want to say
fabric?
L7[00:08:58] <Amanda> In neoforge*
L8[00:09:18] <Amanda> Fucking slop keyboard
overriding my sentences
L9[00:10:15] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> what does the slot in the holographic screen
do?
L10[00:10:15] <Michiyo> I
don;t remember, it's been AGES since I used OpenScreens
<Michiyo> I
don;t remember, it's been AGES since I used OpenScreensL11[00:10:20] <SoraFirestorm> fair enough
<SoraFirestorm> fair enoughL12[00:25:07] <Amanda> I think it sends
that item to another world, via truck-kun
L13[00:26:17] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 😂 to <Amanda> I think it sends that
item to another world, via truck-kun
L14[00:29:42] <Amanda> %choose irradiate or
find something else to do
L15[00:29:42] <MichiBot> Amanda: A nearby
lamp suddenly screams "irradiate!" such that it's
barely audible.
L16[00:48:53] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm>
L17[00:48:54] <Michiyo>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533637742913654804/1785718133526-6893470c0c03.png
<Michiyo>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533637742913654804/1785718133526-6893470c0c03.pngL18[00:49:19] <SoraFirestorm> clarification: "works
fine for me no idea what you are talking about" or "look
I fixed it"?
<SoraFirestorm> clarification: "works
fine for me no idea what you are talking about" or "look
I fixed it"?L19[00:49:32] <Michiyo> I
had to fix a FTON of broken IDE stuff to get JEI and thigns to load
in dev.
<Michiyo> I
had to fix a FTON of broken IDE stuff to get JEI and thigns to load
in dev.L20[00:49:48] <Michiyo>
Yeah sorry fixed it. Working through recipes now that I can view
them in game easily
<Michiyo>
Yeah sorry fixed it. Working through recipes now that I can view
them in game easilyL21[00:49:59] <SoraFirestorm> no worries, I just wanted
to be sure I was understanding correctly lol
<SoraFirestorm> no worries, I just wanted
to be sure I was understanding correctly lolL22[00:50:18] <Michiyo> I
can actually TEST all the integrations now too.
<Michiyo> I
can actually TEST all the integrations now too.L23[00:50:26] <Michiyo>
Since they LOAD and all.
<Michiyo>
Since they LOAD and all.L24[00:52:59] <SoraFirestorm> I have a feeling the
hoverboots aren't right
<SoraFirestorm> I have a feeling the
hoverboots aren't rightL25[00:53:40] <SoraFirestorm> yeah I think their texture
isn't rendering, just their charge bar
<SoraFirestorm> yeah I think their texture
isn't rendering, just their charge barL26[00:54:31] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 👍 to <SoraFirestorm> yeah I think
their texture isn't rendering, just their charge bar
L27[00:55:18] <Michiyo>
I'd noticed HoverBoots and I thought I had them on my todo
list when I fixed the Netsplitter and Creatix with the same issue,
but I guess I forgot.
<Michiyo>
I'd noticed HoverBoots and I thought I had them on my todo
list when I fixed the Netsplitter and Creatix with the same issue,
but I guess I forgot.L28[00:55:32] <SoraFirestorm> it wasn't until I
brought up the wiki page that I realized that it was just blank
lol
<SoraFirestorm> it wasn't until I
brought up the wiki page that I realized that it was just blank
lolL29[00:55:47] <SoraFirestorm> I saw the charge bar but
didn't immediately grok what I was looking at
<SoraFirestorm> I saw the charge bar but
didn't immediately grok what I was looking atL30[00:56:50] <Michiyo>
Yeah, it's totally on me just not writing it down in the early
port. Will poke
<Michiyo>
Yeah, it's totally on me just not writing it down in the early
port. Will pokeL31[00:56:55] <Michiyo>
Fixed all the recipes locally
<Michiyo>
Fixed all the recipes locallyL32[00:56:59] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> reacted :yebuddyts: to <Michiyo>
Fixed all the recipes locally
L33[00:57:01] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> reacted :yebuddyts: to <Michiyo>
Yeah, it's totally on me just not writing it down in the early
port. Will poke
L34[00:57:11] <SoraFirestorm> ... does anyone know why
the Internet card can't do UDP sockets?
<SoraFirestorm> ... does anyone know why
the Internet card can't do UDP sockets?L35[00:57:17] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not asking for
it, I just never understood why
<SoraFirestorm> I'm not asking for
it, I just never understood whyL36[01:00:05] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not getting the
Create speedometer (random choice) to be visible as a
component
<SoraFirestorm> I'm not getting the
Create speedometer (random choice) to be visible as a
componentL37[01:00:10] <SoraFirestorm> https://github.com/Creators-of-Create/Create/wiki/Speedometer-%28Peripheral%29
<SoraFirestorm> https://github.com/Creators-of-Create/Create/wiki/Speedometer-%28Peripheral%29L38[01:00:27] <Michiyo>
Yeah, it may be because the integration stuff was hosed in that
build.
<Michiyo>
Yeah, it may be because the integration stuff was hosed in that
build.L39[01:00:30] <Michiyo>
Will try it in dev
<Michiyo>
Will try it in devL40[01:00:48] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> reacted :yebuddyts: to <Michiyo>
Yeah, it may be because the integration stuff was hosed in that
build.
L41[01:01:05] <Michiyo> I
just spent like 20 minutes fighting with gradle to get it working
again lol
<Michiyo> I
just spent like 20 minutes fighting with gradle to get it working
again lolL42[01:01:38] <Amanda> @SoraFirestorm same
reason you can't do listening, it'd basically be
implementing an entire networking stack to keep track of the
incoming packets
L43[01:02:41] <SoraFirestorm> fair enough, thanks
<SoraFirestorm> fair enough, thanksL44[01:06:45] <SoraFirestorm> seems like tablet is
rendering behind my hand in offhand mode
<SoraFirestorm> seems like tablet is
rendering behind my hand in offhand modeL45[01:07:07] <SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533642338851754104/1785719227444-54e540694b59.png
<SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533642338851754104/1785719227444-54e540694b59.pngL46[01:07:14] <SoraFirestorm> (he is also pretty small
lol)
<SoraFirestorm> (he is also pretty small
lol)L47[01:07:36] <Michiyo>
yeaaaaaaah... I'll bump the size up at some point, I fixed the
main hand and, well here we are :p
<Michiyo>
yeaaaaaaah... I'll bump the size up at some point, I fixed the
main hand and, well here we are :pL48[01:07:57] <SoraFirestorm> here we are
<SoraFirestorm> here we areL49[01:07:58] <Michiyo>
So... wanna know why the create integration does nothing?
<Michiyo>
So... wanna know why the create integration does nothing?L50[01:08:09] <SoraFirestorm> mmm bet it will be very
silly
<SoraFirestorm> mmm bet it will be very
sillyL51[01:08:10] <SoraFirestorm> ready
<SoraFirestorm> readyL52[01:08:48] <Michiyo>
There is one driver.
<Michiyo>
There is one driver.L53[01:08:54] <Michiyo>
for the creative computer.
<Michiyo>
for the creative computer.L54[01:08:57] <Michiyo>
err
<Michiyo>
errL55[01:08:59] <Michiyo>
computer?
<Michiyo>
computer?L56[01:09:00] <Michiyo>
BRAIN...
<Michiyo>
BRAIN...L57[01:09:01] <Michiyo>
MOTOR
<Michiyo>
MOTORL58[01:09:05] <Michiyo>
Creative MOTOR
<Michiyo>
Creative MOTORL59[01:09:33] <SoraFirestorm> yup, I do see it pop up if
I put one on an adapter
<SoraFirestorm> yup, I do see it pop up if
I put one on an adapterL60[01:09:55] <Michiyo>
Yeah, well my dev env crashed when I did that, so lucky you
:P
<Michiyo>
Yeah, well my dev env crashed when I did that, so lucky you
:PL61[01:10:19] <Michiyo>
So it looks like someone STARTED drivers for Create, did one, said
good enough, and shipped it.
<Michiyo>
So it looks like someone STARTED drivers for Create, did one, said
good enough, and shipped it.L62[01:11:29] <SoraFirestorm> oh, so it's not just
using the existing Create CC drivers and doing translation, there
is exactly one bespoke OC driver?
<SoraFirestorm> oh, so it's not just
using the existing Create CC drivers and doing translation, there
is exactly one bespoke OC driver?L63[01:11:44] <Michiyo>
Yeah.
<Michiyo>
Yeah.L64[01:11:51] <SoraFirestorm> that makes sense
<SoraFirestorm> that makes senseL65[01:12:01] <SoraFirestorm> I just assumed that it
would proxy the existing CC drivers...
<SoraFirestorm> I just assumed that it
would proxy the existing CC drivers...L66[01:12:02] <Michiyo>
I, or someone, will have to write drivers.
<Michiyo>
I, or someone, will have to write drivers.L67[01:12:35] <SoraFirestorm> I thought that at some
previous point, there was a proxy thing that made CC peripherals
work as OC components
<SoraFirestorm> I thought that at some
previous point, there was a proxy thing that made CC peripherals
work as OC componentsL68[01:14:11] <SoraFirestorm> sincere, serious question
- obviously in the short term there has to be another
solution
<SoraFirestorm> sincere, serious question
- obviously in the short term there has to be another
solutionL69[01:14:28] <SoraFirestorm> but wonder if the Create
folk would be willing to maintain the driver on their side
<SoraFirestorm> but wonder if the Create
folk would be willing to maintain the driver on their sideL70[01:17:23] <Michiyo>
Do they maintain the CC: Tweaked stuff?
<Michiyo>
Do they maintain the CC: Tweaked stuff?L71[01:17:39] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, the
ComputerCraft-Create integration is on the Create side
<SoraFirestorm> yeah, the
ComputerCraft-Create integration is on the Create sideL72[01:19:17] <Michiyo>
https://github.com/Creators-of-Create/Create/tree/mc1.20.1/dev/src/main/java/com/simibubi/create/compat/computercraft
So it is
<Michiyo>
https://github.com/Creators-of-Create/Create/tree/mc1.20.1/dev/src/main/java/com/simibubi/create/compat/computercraft
So it isL73[01:19:33] <Michiyo>
https://github.com/cc-tweaked/CC-Tweaked/blob/mc-1.20.x/projects/forge/src/main/java/dan200/computercraft/shared/integration/CreateIntegration.java
<Michiyo>
https://github.com/cc-tweaked/CC-Tweaked/blob/mc-1.20.x/projects/forge/src/main/java/dan200/computercraft/shared/integration/CreateIntegration.javaL74[01:19:33] <Michiyo>
There is a bit on the CC: Tweaked side too
<Michiyo>
There is a bit on the CC: Tweaked side tooL75[01:19:37] <Michiyo>
I'll see if I can bring those over.
<Michiyo>
I'll see if I can bring those over.L76[01:19:46] <SoraFirestorm> because all of the
documentation for the CC stuff is on the Create docs, not the CC
docs
<SoraFirestorm> because all of the
documentation for the CC stuff is on the Create docs, not the CC
docsL77[01:19:49] <SoraFirestorm> or at least most of
it
<SoraFirestorm> or at least most of
itL78[01:20:09] <Michiyo> I
need to get a working build out before I ask them for support
though lol
<Michiyo> I
need to get a working build out before I ask them for support
though lolL79[01:20:26] <Michiyo>
https://github.com/Creators-of-Create/Create/pull/7453
And actually looks like it was PR-ed in
<Michiyo>
https://github.com/Creators-of-Create/Create/pull/7453
And actually looks like it was PR-ed inL80[01:20:40] <SoraFirestorm> I think that CC side
integration relates to contraptions, not
drivers/peripherals/components
<SoraFirestorm> I think that CC side
integration relates to contraptions, not
drivers/peripherals/componentsL81[01:22:17] <SoraFirestorm> (relates to contraptions
== seems like it handles making sure modems and cables cope with
getting moved)
<SoraFirestorm> (relates to contraptions
== seems like it handles making sure modems and cables cope with
getting moved)L82[01:22:51] <SoraFirestorm> A tablet that I manually
made (did not pull out of the creative menu) appears to not be able
to hold charge
<SoraFirestorm> A tablet that I manually
made (did not pull out of the creative menu) appears to not be able
to hold chargeL83[01:22:58] <SoraFirestorm> the charge bar empties
when I take it out of the charger
<SoraFirestorm> the charge bar empties
when I take it out of the chargerL84[01:23:34] <SoraFirestorm> what I put into the
tablet, for reference https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533646479002964119/1785720214562-a7a31a7dab3e.png
<SoraFirestorm> what I put into the
tablet, for reference https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533646479002964119/1785720214562-a7a31a7dab3e.pngL85[01:23:46] <SoraFirestorm> T2 tablet case
<SoraFirestorm> T2 tablet caseL86[01:24:10] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not completely
sure I'm not doing something subtly wrong though
<SoraFirestorm> I'm not completely
sure I'm not doing something subtly wrong thoughL87[01:26:20] <Michiyo>
No, I found the issue.
<Michiyo>
No, I found the issue.L88[01:31:56] *
Amanda yawns a big toofy yawn, curls up atop Elfi, meows about the
history of the latest ant colony in Lizzy's
garden
L89[01:32:47] <Amanda> Night girls,
don't forget to install windows ME
L90[01:33:09] <SoraFirestorm> Relay appears to not
accept the new T4 components
<SoraFirestorm> Relay appears to not
accept the new T4 componentsL91[01:33:19] <Corded> > <Amanda>
Night girls, don't forget to install windows ME
L92[01:33:19] <Michiyo>
Night!
<Michiyo>
Night!L93[01:33:28] <SoraFirestorm> Trying to
remember/rediscover how to network OC and CC together
<SoraFirestorm> Trying to
remember/rediscover how to network OC and CC togetherL94[01:33:28] <Michiyo>
Not super surprising tbh.
<Michiyo>
Not super surprising tbh.L95[01:33:34] <SoraFirestorm> not really lol
<SoraFirestorm> not really lolL96[01:33:41] <Michiyo>
This was VERY halfassed.
<Michiyo>
This was VERY halfassed.L97[01:35:07] <SoraFirestorm> yeah seemed like it
<SoraFirestorm> yeah seemed like itL98[01:36:21] <SoraFirestorm> feature request: for some
reason, memory capacity is not in the item title, even though
it's in the title for HDDs
<SoraFirestorm> feature request: for some
reason, memory capacity is not in the item title, even though
it's in the title for HDDsL99[01:39:10] <Brisingr
Aerowing> I will be watching your progress with great
interest.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> I will be watching your progress with great
interest.L100[01:39:48] <Brisingr
Aerowing> CC:T works, but I hate it not having computers persist
across chunk and world / server reloads.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> CC:T works, but I hate it not having computers persist
across chunk and world / server reloads.L101[01:42:15] <Michiyo>
persistence is 100% why I'm doing this. :P
<Michiyo>
persistence is 100% why I'm doing this. :PL102[01:42:29] <SoraFirestorm> Persistence is probably
the single biggest reason
<SoraFirestorm> Persistence is probably
the single biggest reasonL103[01:42:39] <SoraFirestorm> but honestly in a bunch of
smaller ways, OC just plain works better than CC does
<SoraFirestorm> but honestly in a bunch of
smaller ways, OC just plain works better than CC doesL104[01:44:22] <Michiyo>
Speaking of... can you check if persistence is working for
you?
<Michiyo>
Speaking of... can you check if persistence is working for
you?L105[01:44:32] <Michiyo>
Cause it WAS working, but now locally it's suddenly not.
<Michiyo>
Cause it WAS working, but now locally it's suddenly not.L106[01:45:00] <SoraFirestorm> contents of VRAM did not
persist, but CPU state did persist
<SoraFirestorm> contents of VRAM did not
persist, but CPU state did persistL107[01:45:10] <Michiyo>
Yeah that's EXACTLY what I'm seeing.
<Michiyo>
Yeah that's EXACTLY what I'm seeing.L108[01:45:23] <SoraFirestorm> well
<SoraFirestorm> wellL109[01:45:25] <Michiyo>
Ok... wtf cause NONE of that changed lmfao
<Michiyo>
Ok... wtf cause NONE of that changed lmfaoL110[01:45:32] <SoraFirestorm> it appears that the screen
component temporarily disappears
<SoraFirestorm> it appears that the screen
component temporarily disappearsL111[01:45:36] <Michiyo>
Yep.
<Michiyo>
Yep.L112[01:45:55] <SoraFirestorm> because I just so happened
to be doing event poll in a loop in the Lua REPL
<SoraFirestorm> because I just so happened
to be doing event poll in a loop in the Lua REPLL113[01:46:24] <SoraFirestorm> but aside from VRAM,
it's still doing what it was doing so
<SoraFirestorm> but aside from VRAM,
it's still doing what it was doing soL114[01:47:46] <Michiyo>
Ok, at least I know it's not something borked in IDE.
<Michiyo>
Ok, at least I know it's not something borked in IDE.L115[01:49:45] <SoraFirestorm> the creative tablet
persisted its VRAM, FWIW
<SoraFirestorm> the creative tablet
persisted its VRAM, FWIWL116[01:50:03] <SoraFirestorm> it probably did not lose
its screen at any point
<SoraFirestorm> it probably did not lose
its screen at any pointL117[01:50:06] <Brisingr
Aerowing> I had that happen exactly once on 1.12.2.
Couldn't replicate it at all.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> I had that happen exactly once on 1.12.2.
Couldn't replicate it at all.L118[01:56:29] <SoraFirestorm> ... you have to turn CC
modems on?
<SoraFirestorm> ... you have to turn CC
modems on?L119[01:56:31] <SoraFirestorm> since when
<SoraFirestorm> since whenL120[01:57:34] <Michiyo>
That's a... vague memory
<Michiyo>
That's a... vague memoryL121[01:58:06] <Michiyo>
Ok, fixed screens
<Michiyo>
Ok, fixed screensL122[01:58:20] <Michiyo>
It'll require a power cycle they'll work afterwards
<Michiyo>
It'll require a power cycle they'll work afterwardsL123[01:58:34] <SoraFirestorm> I'm still sitting
here trying to get CC<->OC cross networking
<SoraFirestorm> I'm still sitting
here trying to get CC<->OC cross networkingL124[01:58:43] <SoraFirestorm> it's the only other
integration I can think of to test offhand
<SoraFirestorm> it's the only other
integration I can think of to test offhandL125[01:59:26] <Michiyo> I
never used it in 1.12... why would I have had CC installed when OC
was... better :P
<Michiyo> I
never used it in 1.12... why would I have had CC installed when OC
was... better :PL126[01:59:29] <SoraFirestorm> and if I have to
temporarily proxy CC computers to interact with Create, might as
well test
<SoraFirestorm> and if I have to
temporarily proxy CC computers to interact with Create, might as
well testL127[01:59:38] <SoraFirestorm> right lol
<SoraFirestorm> right lolL128[01:59:55] <SoraFirestorm> It's installed here
because well... it was the only option until today :P
<SoraFirestorm> It's installed here
because well... it was the only option until today :PL129[02:00:33] <SoraFirestorm> I vaguely recall at some
earlier point in time (back when OC was fairly new) that I had both
CC and OC for a while
<SoraFirestorm> I vaguely recall at some
earlier point in time (back when OC was fairly new) that I had both
CC and OC for a whileL130[02:01:27] <SoraFirestorm> okay, so the CC side does
see the relay
<SoraFirestorm> okay, so the CC side does
see the relayL131[02:01:46] <SoraFirestorm> as attached in some way as
a peripheral
<SoraFirestorm> as attached in some way as
a peripheralL132[02:04:33] <Michiyo>
sigh I might have to PR support for OC into Create.
<Michiyo>
sigh I might have to PR support for OC into Create.L133[02:04:45] <SoraFirestorm> ofc I'm not really
getting simple CC<->CC networking going either
<SoraFirestorm> ofc I'm not really
getting simple CC<->CC networking going eitherL134[02:07:10] <SoraFirestorm> okay, I got the
CC<->CC networking going
<SoraFirestorm> okay, I got the
CC<->CC networking goingL135[02:07:12] <SoraFirestorm> I was missing steps
<SoraFirestorm> I was missing stepsL136[02:09:14] <Michiyo>
Oh awesome. Sounds like documentation could be useful for the
process.
<Michiyo>
Oh awesome. Sounds like documentation could be useful for the
process.L137[02:12:10] <Michiyo>
Ok, going to test the tablet battery fix.
<Michiyo>
Ok, going to test the tablet battery fix.L138[02:12:31] <SoraFirestorm> At this point I can't
tell if the CC<->OC cross networking is not going because I
messed up or because it's actually not functional
<SoraFirestorm> At this point I can't
tell if the CC<->OC cross networking is not going because I
messed up or because it's actually not functionalL139[02:13:24] <Michiyo>
Oh, I thought you had it lol... yeah sadly it's hard to tell
unless you roll back to 1.12... and THEN it's a question of is
it because CC changed, or because something is just... wrong in
this port
<Michiyo>
Oh, I thought you had it lol... yeah sadly it's hard to tell
unless you roll back to 1.12... and THEN it's a question of is
it because CC changed, or because something is just... wrong in
this portL140[02:13:50] <SoraFirestorm> no, sorry, the thing I got
was getting CC to talk to itself
<SoraFirestorm> no, sorry, the thing I got
was getting CC to talk to itselfL141[02:13:56] <Michiyo>
Oh bleh right, I have to re-enable power.
<Michiyo>
Oh bleh right, I have to re-enable power.L142[02:13:58] <SoraFirestorm> CC and OC are too similar,
that's on me
<SoraFirestorm> CC and OC are too similar,
that's on meL143[02:14:08] <Michiyo>
Oh... yeah no I read it again right
<Michiyo>
Oh... yeah no I read it again rightL144[02:14:48] <Michiyo>
How the fuck do I power things with power enabled, when I have
nothing that makes FE
<Michiyo>
How the fuck do I power things with power enabled, when I have
nothing that makes FEL145[02:15:04] <Michiyo>
Oh... the carpeted capacitor?
<Michiyo>
Oh... the carpeted capacitor?L146[02:15:54] <Michiyo>
Oh, or I have Mek installed lol
<Michiyo>
Oh, or I have Mek installed lolL147[02:16:20] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, I think the 'no
additional mods' power source is the carpeted cap
<SoraFirestorm> yeah, I think the 'no
additional mods' power source is the carpeted capL148[02:16:29] <SoraFirestorm> I have literally never
used OC by itself lol
<SoraFirestorm> I have literally never
used OC by itself lolL149[02:16:48] <SoraFirestorm> and I think that it at
least used to disable power by default if it didn't detect any
other power providers
<SoraFirestorm> and I think that it at
least used to disable power by default if it didn't detect any
other power providersL150[02:18:57] <Michiyo>
The charger letting me access a tablet's HDD is nice...
lmfao
<Michiyo>
The charger letting me access a tablet's HDD is nice...
lmfaoL151[02:19:23] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, that's a
feature that existed
<SoraFirestorm> yeah, that's a
feature that existedL152[02:19:36] <SoraFirestorm> honestly the tablet is
kinda not usable without that?
<SoraFirestorm> honestly the tablet is
kinda not usable without that?L153[02:19:49] <SoraFirestorm> you otherwise have to
permanently install a disk drive and OS install disk
<SoraFirestorm> you otherwise have to
permanently install a disk drive and OS install diskL154[02:21:02] <SoraFirestorm> and now I have CC talking
to itself
<SoraFirestorm> and now I have CC talking
to itselfL155[02:22:50] <SoraFirestorm> * OC
<SoraFirestorm> * OCL156[02:28:04] <Michiyo>
Well, I fixed the charging bug! By making it not charge.
<Michiyo>
Well, I fixed the charging bug! By making it not charge.L157[02:32:00] <SoraFirestorm> bug? what bug? there is no
bug here!
<SoraFirestorm> bug? what bug? there is no
bug here!L158[02:38:35] <SoraFirestorm> the messages not getting
through the bridge could be because I am trying to take a
shortcut?
<SoraFirestorm> the messages not getting
through the bridge could be because I am trying to take a
shortcut?L159[02:38:57] <SoraFirestorm> I'm using the rednet
library on the CC side, which abstracts the modem peripherals away
into the 'old style' API
<SoraFirestorm> I'm using the rednet
library on the CC side, which abstracts the modem peripherals away
into the 'old style' APIL160[02:40:53] <SoraFirestorm> and possibly that is
interfering
<SoraFirestorm> and possibly that is
interferingL161[02:46:04] <SoraFirestorm> okay, the turning on and
off thing I think has to do with the dual-use of modems as remote
connectors for CC peripherals
<SoraFirestorm> okay, the turning on and
off thing I think has to do with the dual-use of modems as remote
connectors for CC peripheralsL162[02:47:39] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, it's just for
limiting peripheral visibility
<SoraFirestorm> yeah, it's just for
limiting peripheral visibilityL163[02:48:43] <SoraFirestorm> okay well, going to go
back to the 1.12 pack and xref to see if I can make it go
there
<SoraFirestorm> okay well, going to go
back to the 1.12 pack and xref to see if I can make it go
thereL164[02:49:10] <Michiyo>
Thanks for checking
<Michiyo>
Thanks for checkingL165[02:49:28] <SoraFirestorm> sincerely, doing all this
testing is the least I can do in this situation lol
<SoraFirestorm> sincerely, doing all this
testing is the least I can do in this situation lolL166[02:49:32] <Michiyo>
Ok, the disassembler is NOT returning any parts.
<Michiyo>
Ok, the disassembler is NOT returning any parts.L167[02:49:41] <SoraFirestorm> oops!
<SoraFirestorm> oops!L168[02:49:45] <SoraFirestorm> hadn't gotten to
testing that part lol
<SoraFirestorm> hadn't gotten to
testing that part lolL169[02:49:51] <SoraFirestorm> speaking of testing
<SoraFirestorm> speaking of testingL170[02:50:01] <Michiyo>
And I think that the charge is going up as I use it. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533668234753216522/1785725401576-32a64f19636c.png
<Michiyo>
And I think that the charge is going up as I use it. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533668234753216522/1785725401576-32a64f19636c.pngL171[02:50:16] <SoraFirestorm> one of the things I have
always wanted to use but never got around to actually ever making
and playing with is the 3D printer
<SoraFirestorm> one of the things I have
always wanted to use but never got around to actually ever making
and playing with is the 3D printerL172[02:51:11] <Michiyo> I
player around with it like twice.. it's really cool but it
hurt my head :P
<Michiyo> I
player around with it like twice.. it's really cool but it
hurt my head :PL173[02:51:36] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> And I think that the charge is going up as I use
it.
L174[02:51:36] <SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533668629500006550/1785725495648-3a2f806908d2.png
<SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533668629500006550/1785725495648-3a2f806908d2.pngL175[02:51:40] <SoraFirestorm> same energy
<SoraFirestorm> same energyL176[02:51:49] <Michiyo>
O_O
<Michiyo>
O_OL177[02:51:51] <SoraFirestorm> it is super cool, I just
never spent the time on it
<SoraFirestorm> it is super cool, I just
never spent the time on itL178[02:58:13] <SoraFirestorm> I wish so hard that there
was stock software that did simple networking
<SoraFirestorm> I wish so hard that there
was stock software that did simple networkingL179[02:58:41] <SoraFirestorm> well the good news is
that
<SoraFirestorm> well the good news is
thatL180[02:58:47] <SoraFirestorm> it didn't immediately
work in 1.12
<SoraFirestorm> it didn't immediately
work in 1.12L181[02:58:49] <SoraFirestorm> ("good")
<SoraFirestorm> ("good")L182[02:59:05] <SoraFirestorm> that means either the
integration was already broken or I'm still doing something
wrong lol
<SoraFirestorm> that means either the
integration was already broken or I'm still doing something
wrong lolL183[03:05:06] <SoraFirestorm> okay, I got it to work in
1.12
<SoraFirestorm> okay, I got it to work in
1.12L184[03:06:32] <SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533672388334719117/1785726391841-7e55d4fb62f1.png
<SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533672388334719117/1785726391841-7e55d4fb62f1.pngL185[03:06:34] <SoraFirestorm> so basically
<SoraFirestorm> so basicallyL186[03:06:53] <SoraFirestorm> in order for the CC modem
message to cross the bridge, you have to explicitly connect to the
modem that is connected to the relay
<SoraFirestorm> in order for the CC modem
message to cross the bridge, you have to explicitly connect to the
modem that is connected to the relayL187[03:07:01] <SoraFirestorm> not the one connected to
the computer itself
<SoraFirestorm> not the one connected to
the computer itselfL188[03:07:25] <SoraFirestorm> the relay doesn't
'sniff the wire' to bridge modem messages
<SoraFirestorm> the relay doesn't
'sniff the wire' to bridge modem messagesL189[03:07:33] <SoraFirestorm> now that I know this
<SoraFirestorm> now that I know thisL190[03:07:35] <SoraFirestorm> back to 1.21
<SoraFirestorm> back to 1.21L191[03:10:09] <SoraFirestorm> the relay doesn't
have a modem-y list of functions in 1.21
<SoraFirestorm> the relay doesn't
have a modem-y list of functions in 1.21L192[03:10:31] <SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533673390597210142/1785726630761-ce43c0086196.png
<SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533673390597210142/1785726630761-ce43c0086196.pngL193[03:10:41] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not sure if that
means that the future is different or if the integration is
broken
<SoraFirestorm> I'm not sure if that
means that the future is different or if the integration is
brokenL194[03:11:20] <SoraFirestorm> (both of those functions
return 0, so they are not at all useful lmao)
<SoraFirestorm> (both of those functions
return 0, so they are not at all useful lmao)L195[03:11:21] <Michiyo>
It'll be the latter.
<Michiyo>
It'll be the latter.L196[03:11:53] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> in order for the CC modem message to cross
the bridge, you …
L197[03:11:53] <SoraFirestorm> and really, because of the
way it works, it's more accurate to say 'connect to the
relay'
<SoraFirestorm> and really, because of the
way it works, it's more accurate to say 'connect to the
relay'L198[03:12:11] <SoraFirestorm> because the CC side
doesn't see it as a 'modem' in that case, I
don't think
<SoraFirestorm> because the CC side
doesn't see it as a 'modem' in that case, I
don't thinkL199[03:12:23] <SoraFirestorm> this system is confusing
and awkward
<SoraFirestorm> this system is confusing
and awkwardL200[03:13:39] <SoraFirestorm> does Create have bundled
redstone? I might have to network via OLDSKOOL bundled wire
lol
<SoraFirestorm> does Create have bundled
redstone? I might have to network via OLDSKOOL bundled wire
lolL201[03:14:06] <Michiyo>
No
<Michiyo>
NoL202[03:14:20] <Michiyo>
There are some bundled redstone mods I'll need to add support
for at some point though
<Michiyo>
There are some bundled redstone mods I'll need to add support
for at some point thoughL203[03:14:32] <SoraFirestorm> I might end up
implementing a hacky SPI then
<SoraFirestorm> I might end up
implementing a hacky SPI thenL204[03:15:47] <Michiyo> I
mean, I'm working on fixing the charging bug that refuses to
just... die then I'll poke at the CC Stuff ;p
<Michiyo> I
mean, I'm working on fixing the charging bug that refuses to
just... die then I'll poke at the CC Stuff ;pL205[03:15:54] <SoraFirestorm> ;p
<SoraFirestorm> ;pL206[03:16:05] <SoraFirestorm> is there anything in
particular you want me to look at?
<SoraFirestorm> is there anything in
particular you want me to look at?L207[03:16:29] <SoraFirestorm> anything that I
haven't thought to test yet that you would like to pawn off on
me so we can work in parallel?
<SoraFirestorm> anything that I
haven't thought to test yet that you would like to pawn off on
me so we can work in parallel?L208[03:18:01] <Michiyo>
IDK to be honest... my brain is in 30 places at once lmao
<Michiyo>
IDK to be honest... my brain is in 30 places at once lmaoL209[03:18:05] <SoraFirestorm> valid
<SoraFirestorm> validL210[03:18:29] <SoraFirestorm> Might see what I can
figure out about the 3D printer
<SoraFirestorm> Might see what I can
figure out about the 3D printerL211[03:27:29] <SoraFirestorm> found an old video of
Sangar demoing the 3D printer
<SoraFirestorm> found an old video of
Sangar demoing the 3D printerL212[03:27:51] <SoraFirestorm> He installed printer
software and some example models from OPPM
<SoraFirestorm> He installed printer
software and some example models from OPPML213[03:27:56] <SoraFirestorm> and luckily OPPM still
works
<SoraFirestorm> and luckily OPPM still
worksL214[03:28:20] <SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533677875910148247/1785727700226-4d6bcb249b8f.png
<SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533677875910148247/1785727700226-4d6bcb249b8f.pngL215[03:28:34] <SoraFirestorm> so 3D printer is working
fine, at least to a first-order approximation :P
<SoraFirestorm> so 3D printer is working
fine, at least to a first-order approximation :PL216[03:29:40] <SoraFirestorm> The example button also
works
<SoraFirestorm> The example button also
worksL217[03:30:05] <Michiyo>
ayyy
<Michiyo>
ayyyL218[03:30:07] <Michiyo>
That's something
<Michiyo>
That's somethingL219[03:34:08] <Michiyo>
This fucking charger, how have I fixed EVERYTHING ELSE... but this
goddess damned charger refuses to work.
<Michiyo>
This fucking charger, how have I fixed EVERYTHING ELSE... but this
goddess damned charger refuses to work.L221[03:41:04] <SoraFirestorm> You know, if I had
actually READ the documentation, I think it hints at the problem I
was having with using the wrong modem peripheral...
<SoraFirestorm> You know, if I had
actually READ the documentation, I think it hints at the problem I
was having with using the wrong modem peripheral...L222[03:41:28] <SoraFirestorm> > The Relay block also
serves as a ComputerCraft peripheral, providing an interface
imitating that of ComputerCraft's (wired) modems.
<SoraFirestorm> > The Relay block also
serves as a ComputerCraft peripheral, providing an interface
imitating that of ComputerCraft's (wired) modems.L223[03:44:27] <Michiyo>
heh
<Michiyo>
hehL224[03:45:38] <Michiyo> I
want to get tablets working at least before I push 1.9.2-1
<Michiyo> I
want to get tablets working at least before I push 1.9.2-1L225[03:45:53] <Michiyo>
if I can fix CC that'll be neat too
<Michiyo>
if I can fix CC that'll be neat tooL226[03:47:38] <SoraFirestorm> Nanobots?
<SoraFirestorm> Nanobots?L227[03:47:47] <SoraFirestorm> guess I should poke at
those
<SoraFirestorm> guess I should poke at
thoseL228[03:47:58] <SoraFirestorm> I don't think I have
literally ever used them, not even playing around in creative
<SoraFirestorm> I don't think I have
literally ever used them, not even playing around in creativeL229[03:52:38] <Michiyo>
Oh I'm sure those are all kinds of broken
<Michiyo>
Oh I'm sure those are all kinds of brokenL230[03:54:26] <SoraFirestorm> I keep crashing when I try
to hard power cycle the computer after removing an adapted
component
<SoraFirestorm> I keep crashing when I try
to hard power cycle the computer after removing an adapted
componentL231[03:54:37] <SoraFirestorm> I'll investigate here
in a minute once I try to use the nanomachines
<SoraFirestorm> I'll investigate here
in a minute once I try to use the nanomachinesL232[03:54:58] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL233[03:54:58] <MichiBot> Dagnabbit!
Forecaster! You beat SpiderEveryOS's previous record of 4
hours, 3 minutes and 41 seconds (By 1 hour, 50 minutes and 3
seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L234[03:54:59] <MichiBot>
Forecaster's new record is 5 hours, 53 minutes and 44 seconds!
Forecaster also gained 0.00915 (0.00183 x 5) tonk points for
stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.2278612 more points to pass
SpiderEveryOS!
L235[03:59:08] <SoraFirestorm> actually it seems like the
nanomachines are working?
<SoraFirestorm> actually it seems like the
nanomachines are working?L236[03:59:18] <SoraFirestorm> based on my brief
<SoraFirestorm> based on my briefL237[03:59:26] <SoraFirestorm> +playing with this Sangar
demo program
<SoraFirestorm> +playing with this Sangar
demo programL238[03:59:37] <SoraFirestorm> that absolutely has a
not-so-great UI :')
<SoraFirestorm> that absolutely has a
not-so-great UI :')L239[04:04:12] <SoraFirestorm> in-game manual isn't
working
<SoraFirestorm> in-game manual isn't
workingL240[04:04:22] <SoraFirestorm> `Document not found:
%LANGUAGE%/index.md`
<SoraFirestorm> `Document not found:
%LANGUAGE%/index.md`L241[04:04:36] <Michiyo>
it's working fine here https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533687002690617485/1785729876355-b34be21a5bc6.png
<Michiyo>
it's working fine here https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533687002690617485/1785729876355-b34be21a5bc6.pngL242[04:04:54] <SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533687079295516682/1785729894454-4cf140f595d6.png
<SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533687079295516682/1785729894454-4cf140f595d6.pngL243[04:04:57] <SoraFirestorm> interesting
<SoraFirestorm> interestingL244[04:05:04] <SoraFirestorm> none of the other tabs are
working either naturally
<SoraFirestorm> none of the other tabs are
working either naturallyL245[04:07:39] <SoraFirestorm> I'll have to write
another piece of software that is more usable, but I do believe
that nanomachines are functioning properly
<SoraFirestorm> I'll have to write
another piece of software that is more usable, but I do believe
that nanomachines are functioning properlyL246[04:07:52] <SoraFirestorm> at the very least, the
behavior that I am getting seems consistent with this old Sangar
demo video
<SoraFirestorm> at the very least, the
behavior that I am getting seems consistent with this old Sangar
demo videoL247[04:18:05] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> I keep crashing when I try to hard power
cycle the computer…
L248[04:18:05] <SoraFirestorm> Going to try this with a
clean pack that has just OC (the one you gave me earlier that has
been working)
<SoraFirestorm> Going to try this with a
clean pack that has just OC (the one you gave me earlier that has
been working)L249[04:18:20] <SoraFirestorm> I see lots of stuff in the
stack trace related to optimization mods I have in this testing
pack
<SoraFirestorm> I see lots of stuff in the
stack trace related to optimization mods I have in this testing
packL250[04:18:37] <SoraFirestorm> slightly concerned they
may be at play
<SoraFirestorm> slightly concerned they
may be at playL251[04:19:16] <SoraFirestorm> but definitely it looks
like someone is holding on to a stale pointer when the component is
destroyed and that causes problems, but only when you try to turn
the computer off (???)
<SoraFirestorm> but definitely it looks
like someone is holding on to a stale pointer when the component is
destroyed and that causes problems, but only when you try to turn
the computer off (???)L252[04:19:31] <SoraFirestorm> it doesn't
immediately crash the game, nor does rebooting the computer
<SoraFirestorm> it doesn't
immediately crash the game, nor does rebooting the computerL253[04:19:50] <SoraFirestorm> shutting down - by case
power button or by soft shutdown - does cause the crash
<SoraFirestorm> shutting down - by case
power button or by soft shutdown - does cause the crashL254[04:20:03] <Michiyo>
What exactly is the trigger?
<Michiyo>
What exactly is the trigger?L255[04:20:09] <Michiyo> a
component in an adapter?
<Michiyo> a
component in an adapter?L257[04:21:50] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 👍 to <SoraFirestorm> 1. spawn
computer 2. put adapter next to computer 3. put component block
next t…
L258[04:22:21] <SoraFirestorm> It happened the very first
time with the Create creative motor
<SoraFirestorm> It happened the very first
time with the Create creative motorL259[04:22:35] <Michiyo>
OH
<Michiyo>
OHL260[04:22:40] <Michiyo>
I've got that fixed locally
<Michiyo>
I've got that fixed locallyL261[04:22:45] <SoraFirestorm> oh cool
<SoraFirestorm> oh coolL262[04:23:10] <Michiyo>
That's why I crashed when I was messing with the motor... I
had two facing each other, and it broke the one I'd placed by
the adapter because they were rotating against each other
<Michiyo>
That's why I crashed when I was messing with the motor... I
had two facing each other, and it broke the one I'd placed by
the adapter because they were rotating against each otherL263[04:23:39] <SoraFirestorm> yuuuup that tracks
<SoraFirestorm> yuuuup that tracksL264[04:38:32] <SoraFirestorm> ... 1.12 has just been
running in the background this whole time
<SoraFirestorm> ... 1.12 has just been
running in the background this whole timeL265[04:38:33] <SoraFirestorm> what a champ
<SoraFirestorm> what a champL266[04:40:49] <SoraFirestorm> surprised I didn't
notice it sucking away resources lol
<SoraFirestorm> surprised I didn't
notice it sucking away resources lolL267[04:41:37] <Michiyo>
lol
<Michiyo>
lolL268[04:47:17] <Izzy> ah, to have the free
memory for that...
L269[04:47:35] <SoraFirestorm> It's nice to have
bought memory years ago :P
<SoraFirestorm> It's nice to have
bought memory years ago :PL270[04:47:40] <Michiyo>
Right?
<Michiyo>
Right?L271[04:47:47] <Izzy> 32GB is good but I
need MORE
L272[04:47:54] <SoraFirestorm> 64GB in this machine
<SoraFirestorm> 64GB in this machineL273[04:48:00] <Michiyo> I
have 64 in my desktop at 128 in the "server"
<Michiyo> I
have 64 in my desktop at 128 in the "server"L274[04:48:01] <Izzy> 128GB would fix
me
L275[04:48:14] <Michiyo>
(and 512GB in the ACTUAL server, that is in my trunk lol)
<Michiyo>
(and 512GB in the ACTUAL server, that is in my trunk lol)L276[04:48:28] <Izzy> I gotta try
Minecraft on the G5 some time...
L277[04:48:32] <Michiyo>
But that's 512GB of DDR3
<Michiyo>
But that's 512GB of DDR3L278[04:48:44] <SoraFirestorm> This is DDR4
<SoraFirestorm> This is DDR4L279[04:49:05] <Michiyo>
Yeah Desktop and "Server" are DDR4
<Michiyo>
Yeah Desktop and "Server" are DDR4L280[04:49:59] <Izzy> my beefiest server
only has 40GB >.>
L281[04:51:28] <Michiyo> I
honestly wish I could run more in the "Server" but
it's a standard 5950x so I've got it maxed out
<Michiyo> I
honestly wish I could run more in the "Server" but
it's a standard 5950x so I've got it maxed outL282[04:56:18] <Michiyo>
Ok, working on CC interop
<Michiyo>
Ok, working on CC interopL283[04:59:58] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm>
L284[04:59:59] <Michiyo>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533700937544106156/1785733198481-33ca0de61b56.png
<Michiyo>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533700937544106156/1785733198481-33ca0de61b56.pngL285[05:00:04] <SoraFirestorm> \o/
<SoraFirestorm> \o/L286[05:00:18] <Michiyo>
Is that what SHOULD be there? lol
<Michiyo>
Is that what SHOULD be there? lolL287[05:00:23] <SoraFirestorm> yeah I think so
<SoraFirestorm> yeah I think soL288[05:00:40] <Michiyo>
Man ANYONE else that KNEW OC should have been the one to pick up
the torch lmao
<Michiyo>
Man ANYONE else that KNEW OC should have been the one to pick up
the torch lmaoL289[05:37:26] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> sigh I might have to PR support for OC into
Create.
L290[05:37:26] <SoraFirestorm> If you do this, I would
strongly consider packaging that support into an additional mod
until it actually lands in Create. Create doesn't rev very
frequently and that could lead to having to wait several forevers
for them to make another release on top of the time it takes for
them to review and approve a PR. Happened with some
<SoraFirestorm> If you do this, I would
strongly consider packaging that support into an additional mod
until it actually lands in Create. Create doesn't rev very
frequently and that could lead to having to wait several forevers
for them to make another release on top of the time it takes for
them to review and approve a PR. Happened with someL291[05:37:26] <Corded> of the CC stuff
that landed and then didn't actually make it out to a release
for a couple months.
L292[05:38:03] <Michiyo>
Nah, I'm about to learn mixins lol
<Michiyo>
Nah, I'm about to learn mixins lolL293[05:47:13] <Vaur>
%chug
<Vaur>
%chugL294[05:47:13] <MichiBot> You drink a
shiny sapphire potion (New!). Vaur remembers an unimportant
appointment.
L295[06:02:05] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> If you do this, I would strongly consider
packaging that su…
L296[06:02:05] <Michiyo>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533716565462356059/1785736924913-455b260f6c22.png
<Michiyo>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533716565462356059/1785736924913-455b260f6c22.pngL297[06:03:28] <Michiyo>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533716916202373142/1785737008162-c27c540f1189.png
<Michiyo>
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533716916202373142/1785737008162-c27c540f1189.pngL298[06:03:42] <SoraFirestorm> Hell yeah
<SoraFirestorm> Hell yeahL299[06:04:22] <SoraFirestorm> Is this reusing the CC
peripherals?
<SoraFirestorm> Is this reusing the CC
peripherals?L300[06:04:23] <Michiyo>
Ok, I'm going to ship this in a moment.... hopefully this
build doesn't die.
<Michiyo>
Ok, I'm going to ship this in a moment.... hopefully this
build doesn't die.L301[06:04:58] <SoraFirestorm> One more thing I wanna do
here in a couple minutes is diff the default config files
<SoraFirestorm> One more thing I wanna do
here in a couple minutes is diff the default config filesL302[06:05:00] <Michiyo>
It's based on the CC Peripherals yeah, but with a mixin to add
support for OC without requiring CC to be installed
<Michiyo>
It's based on the CC Peripherals yeah, but with a mixin to add
support for OC without requiring CC to be installedL303[06:05:20] <Michiyo>
Yeah, I know the port bumped a lot of limits up.
<Michiyo>
Yeah, I know the port bumped a lot of limits up.L304[06:05:22] <SoraFirestorm> Between 1.12 and
1.21
<SoraFirestorm> Between 1.12 and
1.21L305[06:05:49] <SoraFirestorm> It occurred to me that the
port may have made some questionable decisions for defaults
<SoraFirestorm> It occurred to me that the
port may have made some questionable decisions for defaultsL306[06:06:09] <SoraFirestorm> I think the memory
literally doubles every tier instead of growing more linearly
<SoraFirestorm> I think the memory
literally doubles every tier instead of growing more linearlyL307[06:06:18] <Izzy> inb4 better for
MineOS
L308[06:06:26] <SoraFirestorm> So T3 RAM is way bigger
than it's supposed to be
<SoraFirestorm> So T3 RAM is way bigger
than it's supposed to beL309[06:06:56] <Michiyo>
Well, I'm all ears for better defaults.
<Michiyo>
Well, I'm all ears for better defaults.L310[06:07:17] <SoraFirestorm> I still have some degree
of heartburn that OpenOS literally won't run on a single stick
of T1
<SoraFirestorm> I still have some degree
of heartburn that OpenOS literally won't run on a single stick
of T1L311[06:07:40] <Izzy> PsychOS will
L312[06:08:28] <SoraFirestorm> I've come to be more
accepting of that though
<SoraFirestorm> I've come to be more
accepting of that thoughL313[06:13:06] <Izzy> been collecting
ideas for reworking PsychOS
L314[06:14:50] <Kristobear38> Having the max RAM be 4MB
makes for an interesting limitation to work around, but at the same
time makes some things impractical to run in-game
<Kristobear38> Having the max RAM be 4MB
makes for an interesting limitation to work around, but at the same
time makes some things impractical to run in-gameL315[06:15:15] <SoraFirestorm> I used to double all my
RAM amounts back in the day
<SoraFirestorm> I used to double all my
RAM amounts back in the dayL316[06:15:23] <Michiyo>
IIRC I did the same.
<Michiyo>
IIRC I did the same.L317[06:15:43] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> I think the memory literally doubles every
tier instead of …
L318[06:15:43] <SoraFirestorm> confirmed
<SoraFirestorm> confirmedL319[06:16:01] <SoraFirestorm> 1.12 does a more linear
thing, 1.21 just goes lmao exponential
<SoraFirestorm> 1.12 does a more linear
thing, 1.21 just goes lmao exponentialL320[06:16:12] <Michiyo>
sigh
<Michiyo>
sighL321[06:16:51] <SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533720284425748640/1785737811000-c7f36136d567.diff
<SoraFirestorm> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533720284425748640/1785737811000-c7f36136d567.diffL322[06:17:09] <SoraFirestorm> lots of stuff was bumped
up yeah
<SoraFirestorm> lots of stuff was bumped
up yeahL323[06:17:51] <Corded> >
<Kristobear38> Having the max RAM be 4MB makes for an
interesting limitati…
L324[06:17:51] <Kristobear38> e.g. parsing large Lua AST.
I'm undecided if bumping the defaults is the way to go
<Kristobear38> e.g. parsing large Lua AST.
I'm undecided if bumping the defaults is the way to goL325[06:17:54] <SoraFirestorm> `maxTotalRam` got like
4x'd, concerning
<SoraFirestorm> `maxTotalRam` got like
4x'd, concerningL326[06:18:19] <SoraFirestorm> Even with doubled RAM, the
Fennel system kept OOMing
<SoraFirestorm> Even with doubled RAM, the
Fennel system kept OOMingL327[06:18:36] <SoraFirestorm> I literally contributed
compiler and memory optimizations back to Fennel specifically as a
result
<SoraFirestorm> I literally contributed
compiler and memory optimizations back to Fennel specifically as a
resultL328[06:18:38] <Michiyo>
Call budget went from 0.5, 1, 1.5 to 2, 3,4....
<Michiyo>
Call budget went from 0.5, 1, 1.5 to 2, 3,4....L329[06:18:47] <Izzy> damn they 4x'd
the size of a floppy
L330[06:18:50] <Izzy> bigger than IRL
floppies
L331[06:19:13] <Michiyo>
EEPROMS are 16k now...
<Michiyo>
EEPROMS are 16k now...L332[06:19:21] <Michiyo>
Even OpenSecurity only doubled it to 8k
<Michiyo>
Even OpenSecurity only doubled it to 8kL333[06:19:34] <Izzy> memory I can see an
argument for at the high end but these just look like patching out
the fun
L334[06:19:51] <SoraFirestorm> I can see an argument for
1024 EEPROM data siz
<SoraFirestorm> I can see an argument for
1024 EEPROM data sizL335[06:19:55] <SoraFirestorm> * size
<SoraFirestorm> * sizeL336[06:20:00] <SoraFirestorm> (still less than the 2048
they set it to)
<SoraFirestorm> (still less than the 2048
they set it to)L337[06:20:11] <SoraFirestorm> honestly I would nuke all
of the bumps and go back to clean slate
<SoraFirestorm> honestly I would nuke all
of the bumps and go back to clean slateL338[06:20:12] <Kristobear38> Izzy: this
<Kristobear38> Izzy: thisL339[06:20:21] <SoraFirestorm> at least as a first pass
on this
<SoraFirestorm> at least as a first pass
on thisL340[06:20:34] <SoraFirestorm> I think there are
arguments for bumping some of the defaults
<SoraFirestorm> I think there are
arguments for bumping some of the defaultsL341[06:20:51] <Izzy> mmmm
L342[06:20:59] <Izzy> if you really want
more memory, use Computronics
L343[06:21:13] <Izzy> 512k /tmp???
L344[06:21:20] <Izzy> you can just run
OpenOS from that!
L345[06:21:24] <SoraFirestorm> that's 512K?
<SoraFirestorm> that's 512K?L346[06:21:26] <SoraFirestorm> seriously?
<SoraFirestorm> seriously?L347[06:21:27] <Michiyo>
Computronics doesn't exist here
<Michiyo>
Computronics doesn't exist hereL348[06:21:27] <Michiyo>
lol
<Michiyo>
lolL349[06:21:30] <SoraFirestorm> yikes
<SoraFirestorm> yikesL350[06:22:00] <Izzy> Michiyo I have a
weird fucked up request
L351[06:22:03] <SoraFirestorm> kinda sorta inclined to
keep the 3D printer shapes bump
<SoraFirestorm> kinda sorta inclined to
keep the 3D printer shapes bumpL352[06:22:11] <Izzy> a tier 3 card with 4
T2 GPUs on it
L353[06:22:26] <Izzy> I bumped the 3D
printer shape allowance on SKS v12
L354[06:22:39] <Corded> > <Izzy>
a tier 3 card with 4 T2 GPUs on it
L355[06:22:39] <SoraFirestorm> for the ultimate
multi-headed monster? :P
<SoraFirestorm> for the ultimate
multi-headed monster? :PL356[06:22:46] <Izzy> exactly
L357[06:22:58] <Izzy> for optimal PsychOS
use
L358[06:23:22] <SoraFirestorm> I'm also still
<SoraFirestorm> I'm also stillL359[06:23:24] <Izzy> even in a T3 server
you can get like 4 displays max
L360[06:23:35] <SoraFirestorm> kinda on the fence about
the new T4 equipment
<SoraFirestorm> kinda on the fence about
the new T4 equipmentL361[06:23:46] <Izzy> without resorting to
the funny card cage blocks that use twice as many components per
GPU
L362[06:24:02] <Michiyo>
https://paste.pc-logix.com/osulikajok.bash Ok, so
this is the current defaults
<Michiyo>
https://paste.pc-logix.com/osulikajok.bash Ok, so
this is the current defaultsL363[06:24:04] <SoraFirestorm> (for the uninitiated:
there is a new, fourth tier that is Netherite)
<SoraFirestorm> (for the uninitiated:
there is a new, fourth tier that is Netherite)L364[06:24:27] <Izzy> for memory could be
reasonable, to keep the old memory defaults?
L365[06:24:51] <Michiyo> I
honestly don't mind the T4 stuff...
<Michiyo> I
honestly don't mind the T4 stuff...L366[06:25:11] <SoraFirestorm> like it doesn't
bother me or anything
<SoraFirestorm> like it doesn't
bother me or anythingL367[06:25:16] <SoraFirestorm> I don't feel like
it's explicitly out of place
<SoraFirestorm> I don't feel like
it's explicitly out of placeL368[06:25:23] <Izzy> toggle for it
maybe?
L369[06:25:39] <Izzy> eh. can disable it
with the modern equivalent of crafttweaker if you really
want.
L370[06:25:48] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 💯 to <Izzy> eh. can disable it with
the modern equivalent of crafttweaker if you really wan…
L371[06:27:10] <SoraFirestorm> a single stick of T1 now
is less than what it was originally lmao
<SoraFirestorm> a single stick of T1 now
is less than what it was originally lmaoL372[06:27:22] <Michiyo>
lol yeah I was just poking at ram sizes
<Michiyo>
lol yeah I was just poking at ram sizesL373[06:27:32] <SoraFirestorm> T1 in 1.12 is 192k and in
1.21 is 128k
<SoraFirestorm> T1 in 1.12 is 192k and in
1.21 is 128kL374[06:28:16] <Izzy> oh goddamn you could
get 64M in one T3 server with the T4.5(?) memory
L375[06:28:49] <Michiyo>
Ok, I reverted the ramp back to 1.12, but did 1.5x it
<Michiyo>
Ok, I reverted the ramp back to 1.12, but did 1.5x itL376[06:28:59] <Izzy> restore original
memory sizes, 1536/2048- ah
L377[06:29:08] <SoraFirestorm> no wonder OpenOS was
constantly crashing
<SoraFirestorm> no wonder OpenOS was
constantly crashingL378[06:29:48] <Izzy> I should compile
ppc64 natives for OpenComputers...
L379[06:30:10] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 👍 to <Izzy> I should compile ppc64
natives for OpenComputers...
L380[06:30:16] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> Ok, I reverted the ramp back to 1.12, but did 1.5x
it
L381[06:30:16] <SoraFirestorm> what are the numbers
specifically?
<SoraFirestorm> what are the numbers
specifically?L383[06:30:32] <SoraFirestorm> having trouble visualizing
concrete numbers from that
<SoraFirestorm> having trouble visualizing
concrete numbers from thatL384[06:30:35] <Izzy> ppc-linux-musl and
ppc64-linux-musl, for peak cursed
L386[06:31:51] <Corded> > <Izzy>
even in a T3 server you can get like 4 displays max
L387[06:31:51] <RedstoneParkour> maybe reduce the
resolution to T2 levels
<RedstoneParkour> maybe reduce the
resolution to T2 levelsL388[06:32:10] <SoraFirestorm> convinced that was an AI
not understanding something
<SoraFirestorm> convinced that was an AI
not understanding somethingL389[06:32:35] <Izzy> oh yeah that was my
meaning, 4 T2 GPUs, providing 80x25 16-colour with 3 screens worth
of VRAM or however much it is
L390[06:32:37] <SoraFirestorm> I'd put it back
<SoraFirestorm> I'd put it backL391[06:32:37] <Michiyo>
Floppies back to 512?
<Michiyo>
Floppies back to 512?L392[06:32:42] <Izzy> just in one
card
L393[06:32:43] <Michiyo>
Oh yeah I already did lmao
<Michiyo>
Oh yeah I already did lmaoL394[06:33:00] <Izzy> storage was fine as
it was in 1.12
L395[06:33:22] <Izzy> the floppy size was
the same as the T1 HDD which was an odd decision
L396[06:33:26] <Izzy> (in the port)
L397[06:33:43] <SoraFirestorm> I'd change the HDD
platter counts
<SoraFirestorm> I'd change the HDD
platter countsL398[06:33:52] <SoraFirestorm> it nerfed T3
<SoraFirestorm> it nerfed T3L399[06:34:00] <RedstoneParkour> do the platter counts
even matter
<RedstoneParkour> do the platter counts
even matterL401[06:34:10] <SoraFirestorm> supposedly it does in
unmanaged mode
<SoraFirestorm> supposedly it does in
unmanaged modeL402[06:34:24] <RedstoneParkour> does anyone use
unmanaged mode?
<RedstoneParkour> does anyone use
unmanaged mode?L403[06:34:28] *
Izzy waves
L404[06:34:37] <SoraFirestorm> > # Number of physical
platters to pretend a disk has in unmanaged mode. This
<SoraFirestorm> > # Number of physical
platters to pretend a disk has in unmanaged mode. ThisL405[06:34:37] <SoraFirestorm> > # controls seek
times, in how it emulates sectors overlapping (thus sharing
<SoraFirestorm> > # controls seek
times, in how it emulates sectors overlapping (thus sharingL406[06:34:37] <SoraFirestorm> > # a common head
position for access).
<SoraFirestorm> > # a common head
position for access).L407[06:34:42] <RedstoneParkour> ok nvm
<RedstoneParkour> ok nvmL408[06:34:45] <SoraFirestorm> * Number of physical
platters to pretend a disk has in unmanaged mode. This
<SoraFirestorm> * Number of physical
platters to pretend a disk has in unmanaged mode. ThisL409[06:34:45] <Corded> > controls seek
times, in how it emulates sectors overlapping (thus sharing
L410[06:34:45] <Corded> >
L411[06:34:53] <Izzy> rtfs isn't good
but it does work
L412[06:35:01] <Izzy> mostly
L413[06:35:05] <SoraFirestorm> sorry for the big yelling
on that
<SoraFirestorm> sorry for the big yelling
on thatL414[06:35:06] <Michiyo> I
have no dog in that fight, Izzy do you think it would impact you?
IDK what it even does :P
<Michiyo> I
have no dog in that fight, Izzy do you think it would impact you?
IDK what it even does :PL415[06:35:24] <Izzy> uhhhh lemme see the
maths
L416[06:36:21] <SoraFirestorm> I have to ask - is
`httpUserAgent` actually hooked up anywhere?
<SoraFirestorm> I have to ask - is
`httpUserAgent` actually hooked up anywhere?L417[06:36:27] <SoraFirestorm> it's completely new
in 1.21
<SoraFirestorm> it's completely new
in 1.21L418[06:36:48] <Michiyo>
I'll check, I know it WAS hard coded originally
<Michiyo>
I'll check, I know it WAS hard coded originallyL419[06:37:21] <SoraFirestorm> well that's better
than being a complete hallucination from nowhere
<SoraFirestorm> well that's better
than being a complete hallucination from nowhereL420[06:37:30] <Izzy> okay, more platters
= faster, I think
L421[06:37:40] <Izzy> so I would prefer
not to nerf T3
L422[06:37:50] <Vaur>
%chug
<Vaur>
%chugL423[06:37:50] <MichiBot> You drink a
warpy silver potion (New!). Vaur gains the ability to see
previously unseen bricks until the next time they hug
someone.
L424[06:38:00] <SoraFirestorm> maybe you don't need
to make T4 have 16 platters
<SoraFirestorm> maybe you don't need
to make T4 have 16 plattersL425[06:38:06] <SoraFirestorm> alternatively 12
<SoraFirestorm> alternatively 12L426[06:38:19] <SoraFirestorm> given it's a doubling
in size, makes sense it has 2x platters
<SoraFirestorm> given it's a doubling
in size, makes sense it has 2x plattersL427[06:38:30] <Michiyo>
yeah t3 isn't nerfed it's the same, as it was 2, 4, 8
before
<Michiyo>
yeah t3 isn't nerfed it's the same, as it was 2, 4, 8
beforeL428[06:38:39] <Michiyo>
I'm good with 12
<Michiyo>
I'm good with 12L429[06:39:13] <Izzy> summarily the maths
on that is it modulo's the start and end sector by the number
of sectors per platter, and if the difference is big, it adds a
delay
L430[06:39:19] <RedstoneParkour> oh right T4...
<RedstoneParkour> oh right T4...L431[06:39:32] <SoraFirestorm> Did `tmpSize` get made to
be sane again?
<SoraFirestorm> Did `tmpSize` get made to
be sane again?L432[06:39:45] <SoraFirestorm> I'd put it back at
64k
<SoraFirestorm> I'd put it back at
64kL433[06:39:57] <Michiyo>
Yeah I did
<Michiyo>
Yeah I didL434[06:40:01] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> reacted :yebuddyts: to <Michiyo> Yeah
I did
L435[06:40:13] <Izzy> so if you have more
platters, that's less sectors per platter, meaning less chance
any given seek needs to move the heads a long way
L436[06:40:31] <Izzy> I would love to know
the authorial intent in some of these settings changes x3
L437[06:40:39] <SoraFirestorm> There probably
wasn't
<SoraFirestorm> There probably
wasn'tL439[06:40:49] <Michiyo> I
bumped HDDs back to stock
<Michiyo> I
bumped HDDs back to stockL440[06:40:52] <RedstoneParkour> though wouldn't
that mean the sectors are bigger so sequential r/w speed
drops?
<RedstoneParkour> though wouldn't
that mean the sectors are bigger so sequential r/w speed
drops?L441[06:41:05] <Izzy> not modelled
L442[06:41:06] <Michiyo>
I'm leaving the SSDs bigger... why not.
<Michiyo>
I'm leaving the SSDs bigger... why not.L443[06:41:08] <RedstoneParkour> unless you just
don't use some part of the hdd
<RedstoneParkour> unless you just
don't use some part of the hddL444[06:41:12] <RedstoneParkour> and yeah thought
so
<RedstoneParkour> and yeah thought
soL445[06:41:20] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> I'm leaving the SSDs bigger... why not.
L446[06:41:20] <SoraFirestorm> unrealistic ;p
<SoraFirestorm> unrealistic ;pL447[06:41:26] <SoraFirestorm> What actually is the
difference?
<SoraFirestorm> What actually is the
difference?L448[06:41:30] <Izzy> Michiyo: cursed
option. T2 size, as many platters as sectors
L449[06:41:34] <SoraFirestorm> I'm assuming that
it's supposed to be that SSDs are faster
<SoraFirestorm> I'm assuming that
it's supposed to be that SSDs are fasterL450[06:41:40] <Izzy> never seek
L451[06:41:49] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 😂 to <Izzy> Michiyo: cursed option.
T2 size, as many platters as sectors
L452[06:41:57] <RedstoneParkour> does seeking on hdds
cost anything?
<RedstoneParkour> does seeking on hdds
cost anything?L453[06:41:59] <SoraFirestorm> I have little confidence
it's been hooked up properly
<SoraFirestorm> I have little confidence
it's been hooked up properlyL454[06:42:09] <Michiyo>
ssds aren't even implemented :P
<Michiyo>
ssds aren't even implemented :PL455[06:42:09] <RedstoneParkour> managed hdds*
<RedstoneParkour> managed hdds*L456[06:42:22] <Izzy> if it's over
the "seek threshold" it pauses execution for a configured
time
L457[06:42:33] <Izzy> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/server/component/Drive.scala#L199-L207
L458[06:42:34] <SoraFirestorm> yeah I figured as
much
<SoraFirestorm> yeah I figured as
muchL459[06:42:43] <Michiyo>
Hey Izzy, how serious were you on that 4x t2 GPU card?
<Michiyo>
Hey Izzy, how serious were you on that 4x t2 GPU card?L460[06:43:05] <Izzy> I would love one but
it's kind of an unhinged thing to have
L461[06:43:15] <Michiyo>
Well, I'm kinda unhinged
<Michiyo>
Well, I'm kinda unhingedL462[06:43:23] <Izzy> I'm not
complaining~
L463[06:43:26] <Izzy> :D
L464[06:43:40] <Izzy> the reason I want it
is so I can run more terminals from one PsychOS system
L465[06:43:40] <SoraFirestorm> EEPROMs are still looking
kinda big
<SoraFirestorm> EEPROMs are still looking
kinda bigL466[06:43:46] <SoraFirestorm> I'd do 4k code and 1k
data
<SoraFirestorm> I'd do 4k code and 1k
dataL467[06:44:00] <SoraFirestorm> (revert code back to 1.12,
4x data from 1.12)
<SoraFirestorm> (revert code back to 1.12,
4x data from 1.12)L468[06:44:00] <RedstoneParkour> wait so how many
terminals would 4xt2 be
<RedstoneParkour> wait so how many
terminals would 4xt2 beL469[06:44:03] <Michiyo> I
moved EEPROMS down to 8096
<Michiyo> I
moved EEPROMS down to 8096L470[06:44:16] <Michiyo>
8k / 1k
<Michiyo>
8k / 1kL471[06:44:18] <Izzy> that would give you
4 real displays or 12 vtys
L472[06:44:24] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> reacted :yebuddyts: to <Michiyo> 8k /
1k
L473[06:44:25] <RedstoneParkour> oh wait
<RedstoneParkour> oh waitL474[06:44:29] <Izzy> 8192
L475[06:44:38] <RedstoneParkour> its just multiple gpus
ok nvm
<RedstoneParkour> its just multiple gpus
ok nvmL476[06:44:41] <Michiyo>
yeah that's what I meant lmfao
<Michiyo>
yeah that's what I meant lmfaoL477[06:44:49] <Izzy> yeah I just want
more GPUs per card
L478[06:44:54] <Izzy> give me the dumb GTX
690
L479[06:44:58] <Izzy> I don't care if
it's bad
L480[06:45:13] <RedstoneParkour> sounds like you want to
build some kind of mainframe
<RedstoneParkour> sounds like you want to
build some kind of mainframeL481[06:45:26] <Izzy> I did the maths on
this a while ago it works out to less total VRAM than a single T3
GPU
L482[06:45:35] <SoraFirestorm> what about the computer
thread count?
<SoraFirestorm> what about the computer
thread count?L483[06:45:42] <RedstoneParkour> oh that
<RedstoneParkour> oh thatL484[06:45:45] <SoraFirestorm> 4 in 1.12, 8 in 1.21
<SoraFirestorm> 4 in 1.12, 8 in 1.21L485[06:45:49] <RedstoneParkour> just leave it at
4?
<RedstoneParkour> just leave it at
4?L486[06:45:57] <RedstoneParkour> though it could be
updated yeah
<RedstoneParkour> though it could be
updated yeahL487[06:46:00] <SoraFirestorm> I'm inclined to go
back to 4
<SoraFirestorm> I'm inclined to go
back to 4L488[06:46:02] <Michiyo>
Yeah I moved it back to 4
<Michiyo>
Yeah I moved it back to 4L489[06:46:07] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> reacted :yebuddyts: to <Michiyo> Yeah
I moved it back to 4
L490[06:46:10] <RedstoneParkour> izzy what do you use for
sks12?
<RedstoneParkour> izzy what do you use for
sks12?L491[06:46:26] <Izzy> it's on 4 but
if I remembered it existed it would be 6
L492[06:46:30] <Izzy> (the server has 6
cores)
L493[06:46:36] <RedstoneParkour> lol
<RedstoneParkour> lolL494[06:46:41] <Michiyo>
Well, that's why you can edit the config. :P
<Michiyo>
Well, that's why you can edit the config. :PL495[06:46:54] <SoraFirestorm> These are just defaults,
not invariable laws :P
<SoraFirestorm> These are just defaults,
not invariable laws :PL496[06:46:57] <Izzy> the next one will be
8 or 16 because the new server has a 5700G baybee
L498[06:47:04] <Michiyo>
This is the new values
<Michiyo>
This is the new valuesL499[06:47:10] <Michiyo>
please review.
<Michiyo>
please review.L500[06:47:54] <Michiyo>
tell me if I missed anything
<Michiyo>
tell me if I missed anythingL501[06:48:12] <Michiyo>
Also if we want a build of this out tonight I've got ~12
minutes. :P
<Michiyo>
Also if we want a build of this out tonight I've got ~12
minutes. :PL502[06:48:15] <SoraFirestorm> curious: if `defaultLua53`
is off... what is the default?
<SoraFirestorm> curious: if `defaultLua53`
is off... what is the default?L503[06:48:26] <SoraFirestorm> is 5.2 an arch?
<SoraFirestorm> is 5.2 an arch?L504[06:48:37] <Izzy> the RAM sizes bother
me but for purely aesthetic reasons
L505[06:48:44] <SoraFirestorm> same ^^^
<SoraFirestorm> same ^^^L506[06:48:50] <Michiyo>
Well, suggest better. :P
<Michiyo>
Well, suggest better. :PL507[06:49:08] <Michiyo> I
want slightly more than default, but not dumb but if you guys want
default I'm fine with it
<Michiyo> I
want slightly more than default, but not dumb but if you guys want
default I'm fine with itL508[06:49:34] <Michiyo>
IIRC 5.2 is JNLua?
<Michiyo>
IIRC 5.2 is JNLua?L509[06:49:36] <Michiyo>
IDK it's been ages
<Michiyo>
IDK it's been agesL510[06:49:51] <RedstoneParkour> 5.2 is still eris
iirc
<RedstoneParkour> 5.2 is still eris
iircL511[06:50:06] <SoraFirestorm> LuaJ is not available by
default yeah
<SoraFirestorm> LuaJ is not available by
default yeahL512[06:50:08] <RedstoneParkour> jnlua is only for
unsupported archs
<RedstoneParkour> jnlua is only for
unsupported archsL513[06:50:23] <SoraFirestorm> or whatever the non-Eris
Lua is
<SoraFirestorm> or whatever the non-Eris
Lua isL514[06:50:30] <SoraFirestorm> I have half a mind that
like
<SoraFirestorm> I have half a mind that
likeL515[06:50:35] <SoraFirestorm> the memory should match
the graphics?
<SoraFirestorm> the memory should match
the graphics?L516[06:50:36] <SoraFirestorm> meaning
<SoraFirestorm> meaningL517[06:50:56] <Michiyo>
256 → 384 → 512 → 768 → 1024 → 1536 → 2048 → 3072 ?
<Michiyo>
256 → 384 → 512 → 768 → 1024 → 1536 → 2048 → 3072 ?L518[06:50:57] <SoraFirestorm> a TX stick has 2 RAM chips
and a TX.5 chip has 3 RAM chips
<SoraFirestorm> a TX stick has 2 RAM chips
and a TX.5 chip has 3 RAM chipsL519[06:50:58] <Izzy> 256, 384, 512, 768,
1024, 1536, 2048, 3072?
L520[06:51:02] <Michiyo>
lol
<Michiyo>
lolL521[06:51:14] <SoraFirestorm> yeah, I like that
<SoraFirestorm> yeah, I like thatL522[06:51:27] <Izzy> keeps the max,
progression is still a little strange at the top end but
that's okay
L523[06:51:34] <Michiyo>
Ok, done.
<Michiyo>
Ok, done.L524[06:51:43] <SoraFirestorm> It makes T1 more
reasonable for OpenOS (192 -> 256) and is aesthetic again
✨
<SoraFirestorm> It makes T1 more
reasonable for OpenOS (192 -> 256) and is aesthetic again
✨L525[06:51:45] <Izzy> and it means I can
now build a 512K machine with the cheapest memory rather than the
second cheapest
L526[06:52:13] <Izzy> (most of my machines
don't end up with more)
L527[06:53:01] <Izzy> also if anyone wants
a tour of Valle Niasmor before SKS v13 happens I'm happy to
provide :3 can show off our BBS, computerised storage, finnicky
drone delivery system,
L528[06:53:35] <SoraFirestorm> I'm good with
https://paste.pc-logix.com/abovofojey.bash + memory
adjustments <:yebuddyts:1511100003555213392>
<SoraFirestorm> I'm good with
https://paste.pc-logix.com/abovofojey.bash + memory
adjustments <:yebuddyts:1511100003555213392>L529[06:53:36] <Michiyo>
Ok, let's see if this launchest, then push it and pray
<Michiyo>
Ok, let's see if this launchest, then push it and prayL530[06:54:06] <Michiyo>
Oh I love it when launching minecraft crashes explorer....
<Michiyo>
Oh I love it when launching minecraft crashes explorer....L531[06:55:10] <Michiyo>
Enjoy Izzy https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533729925683744823/1785740109944-99c074e8e19f.png
<Michiyo>
Enjoy Izzy https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533729925683744823/1785740109944-99c074e8e19f.pngL532[06:55:25] <RedstoneParkour> lol
<RedstoneParkour> lolL533[06:55:30] <Izzy> banger
L534[06:55:36] <Izzy> this will be used
for evil
L535[06:55:45] <Michiyo>
"Quad T2 Graphics Card"
<Michiyo>
"Quad T2 Graphics Card"L536[06:55:51] <Izzy> let's fucking
go
L537[06:56:00] <Izzy> cram 3 of those into
a T3 server
L538[06:56:04] <Michiyo> I
have NO effing idea if it'll work. But it built. :P
<Michiyo> I
have NO effing idea if it'll work. But it built. :PL539[06:56:26] <SoraFirestorm> We'll solve those
problems in software
<SoraFirestorm> We'll solve those
problems in softwareL540[06:56:27] <SoraFirestorm> errr
<SoraFirestorm> errrL541[06:56:28] <Izzy> can build the
silliest PsychOS machine now :3
L542[06:56:30] <SoraFirestorm> software-software
<SoraFirestorm> software-softwareL543[06:56:36] <SoraFirestorm> not the software-hardware
you just made
<SoraFirestorm> not the software-hardware
you just madeL544[06:56:48] <RedstoneParkour> plus an APU i
assume
<RedstoneParkour> plus an APU i
assumeL545[06:56:48] <SoraFirestorm> are we confused yet?
<SoraFirestorm> are we confused yet?L546[06:57:02] <SoraFirestorm> an APU would net you
another GPU yeah lol
<SoraFirestorm> an APU would net you
another GPU yeah lolL547[06:57:13] <RedstoneParkour> so that'd be 13
gpus
<RedstoneParkour> so that'd be 13
gpusL548[06:57:16] <Izzy> yup :3
L549[06:57:21] <Michiyo>
Ok, so this is gonna be 1.9.3 NOT 1.9.2-1 lmao
<Michiyo>
Ok, so this is gonna be 1.9.3 NOT 1.9.2-1 lmaoL550[06:57:36] <Michiyo>
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUGFIX RELEASE lmfao
<Michiyo>
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUGFIX RELEASE lmfaoL551[06:57:48] <Izzy> I am reasonably
confident PsychOS won't boot properly with 256K on a machine
with 13 terminals
L552[06:58:07] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BUGFIX RELEASE
lmfao
L553[06:58:07] <SoraFirestorm> I didn't do it
:C
<SoraFirestorm> I didn't do it
:CL554[06:58:13] <Izzy> but if you're
building a 13-terminal system you can afford to get 16M of memory I
think
L555[06:58:35] <RedstoneParkour> michiyo you fixed the
lack of a quad gpu obv
<RedstoneParkour> michiyo you fixed the
lack of a quad gpu obvL556[06:58:40] <Izzy> ^
L557[06:58:42] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 😂 to <RedstoneParkour> michiyo you
fixed the lack of a quad gpu obv
L558[06:58:44] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 😂 to <Izzy> ^
L559[06:58:52] <Izzy> very important for
all the one PsychOS deployments
L560[06:58:53] <SoraFirestorm> 13-headed system to then
not use all of the memory you can possibly cram in is... well...
it's a choice...
<SoraFirestorm> 13-headed system to then
not use all of the memory you can possibly cram in is... well...
it's a choice...L561[06:59:14] <Izzy> I think it will give
you 26 vtys
L562[06:59:20] <Izzy> hell yeah
L563[06:59:22] <Izzy> finally
L564[07:00:39] <RedstoneParkour> well
<RedstoneParkour> wellL565[07:00:56] <RedstoneParkour> if you want to use all
vtys on one screen it'd require some rebinding
shenanigans
<RedstoneParkour> if you want to use all
vtys on one screen it'd require some rebinding
shenanigansL566[07:01:44] <Izzy> oh no I just mean
each screen will have two vtys
L567[07:02:05] <Izzy> running a T2 display
with a T3 GPU already gets you 12 vtys and that's more than I
need for anything reasonable
L568[07:03:10] <Izzy> okay I must
shower
L569[07:03:24] <Izzy> thank you for
enabling my bullshit Michiyo :D
L570[07:06:58] <Michiyo>
Shit... i was also going to review the commits asie mentioned
earlier.
<Michiyo>
Shit... i was also going to review the commits asie mentioned
earlier.L571[07:07:02] <Michiyo>
but.. beeeddddddd
<Michiyo>
but.. beeedddddddL572[07:10:03] <SoraFirestorm> Bed is good
<SoraFirestorm> Bed is goodL573[07:12:50] <Michiyo>
sleep is for the weak, or I'll sleep for a week... who
knows!
<Michiyo>
sleep is for the weak, or I'll sleep for a week... who
knows!L574[07:23:04] <Michiyo>
Ok... so it's not that much that we don't currently
have.
<Michiyo>
Ok... so it's not that much that we don't currently
have.L575[07:23:46] <Michiyo>
OH lol...
<Michiyo>
OH lol...L577[07:23:54] <Michiyo>
They reversed the rack sides...
<Michiyo>
They reversed the rack sides...L578[07:24:03] <Michiyo>
Oh, no asie did that. nvm
<Michiyo>
Oh, no asie did that. nvmL579[07:24:04] <Michiyo>
lmfao
<Michiyo>
lmfaoL580[07:24:11] <Michiyo>
I've only been up for 19 hours at this point.
<Michiyo>
I've only been up for 19 hours at this point.L581[07:24:13] <Michiyo>
don't mind me.
<Michiyo>
don't mind me.L582[07:25:22] <SoraFirestorm> I'm not going to do
it now (I also have to go to bed), so don't feel rushed to
produce this, but how can I set up a dev env? I wanna take a crack
at adding a minor wishlist item of mine
<SoraFirestorm> I'm not going to do
it now (I also have to go to bed), so don't feel rushed to
produce this, but how can I set up a dev env? I wanna take a crack
at adding a minor wishlist item of mineL583[07:26:23] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> I'm not going to do it now (I also have
to go to bed), so d…
L584[07:26:23] <Michiyo>
Quickly give me your ingame name, and your fav color.
<Michiyo>
Quickly give me your ingame name, and your fav color.L585[07:27:00] <Michiyo>
as hex or something
<Michiyo>
as hex or somethingL586[07:27:08] <Michiyo>
lol
<Michiyo>
lolL587[07:28:13] <SoraFirestorm> SoraFirestorm /
`#0991ff`
<SoraFirestorm> SoraFirestorm /
`#0991ff`L588[07:31:51] <Michiyo>
Cool. 1.9.3 is building and should be on CF soon, IDK when
they'll approve it though.
<Michiyo>
Cool. 1.9.3 is building and should be on CF soon, IDK when
they'll approve it though.L589[07:34:19] <Michiyo>
Setup is... well it's a minecraft mod so prepare to hate
yourself. https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/OpenComputers/blob/main-MC1.21.1/OpenComputers-Development-Setup.md
This SHOULD get you through it if not I'll be home tomorrow
after ~3 PM Pacific Or folks here are pretty smart.
<Michiyo>
Setup is... well it's a minecraft mod so prepare to hate
yourself. https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/OpenComputers/blob/main-MC1.21.1/OpenComputers-Development-Setup.md
This SHOULD get you through it if not I'll be home tomorrow
after ~3 PM Pacific Or folks here are pretty smart.L590[07:35:15] <Corded> >
<SoraFirestorm> reacted :yebuddyts: to <Michiyo>
Setup is... well it's a minecraft mod so prepare to hate
yourself. https://gith…
L591[07:35:39] <SoraFirestorm> I won't get to it
until pretty late in the day anyways; I have a busy day ahead of me
:P
<SoraFirestorm> I won't get to it
until pretty late in the day anyways; I have a busy day ahead of me
:PL592[07:36:10] <Michiyo>
sigh the CF upload step failed... get to fix that and try
again
<Michiyo>
sigh the CF upload step failed... get to fix that and try
againL593[07:40:50] <Michiyo>
Build slower why don't you
<Michiyo>
Build slower why don't youL594[07:42:04] <Michiyo>
Great https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533741727964332062/1785742923805-3239f4b946e3.png
<Michiyo>
Great https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533741727964332062/1785742923805-3239f4b946e3.pngL595[07:42:09] <Michiyo>
Bed now.
<Michiyo>
Bed now.L596[07:42:10] <Michiyo>
night
<Michiyo>
nightL597[07:42:13] <Izzy> o7
L598[07:42:48] <Michiyo>
Please grab that when it gets approved and yell at me that
it's all broken! https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/opencomputers-rebooted/files/
Maybe make issues on GitHub though so I can actually track
things
<Michiyo>
Please grab that when it gets approved and yell at me that
it's all broken! https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/opencomputers-rebooted/files/
Maybe make issues on GitHub though so I can actually track
thingsL599[07:42:49] <Michiyo>
lmfao
<Michiyo>
lmfaoL600[07:52:05] <Izzy> low-key might see if
I can backport the graphics card myself to 1.12 so I can use it in
SKS v13
L601[07:55:17] ⇦
Quits: Hawk777 (~Hawk777@2605:1700:1080:de00:68f:cdfa:7cf4:7d3d)
(Quit: Leaving.)
L602[08:09:07] <Izzy> oh, now that actual
productive discussion is finished, this week I've been having
Fun With Firewire
L603[08:09:24] <Izzy> firewire networking,
got some firewire HDDs,
L604[08:09:36] <Izzy> today I exported an
ISO file as a firewire device so I don't need to burn
CDs!
L605[08:10:06] <Izzy> can't do all
this shit with USB even like, 20 years later
L606[08:10:14] <Izzy> (well, you can, but
not with Normal Hardware)
L607[08:10:38] <Izzy> (can't even
network two machines over USB3 without a bullshit cable that
pretends to be a pair of ethernet adaptors)
L608[08:15:37] <Izzy> oh yeah I exported a
RAM disk over firewire for my G5 to use as swap
L609[08:16:35] ⇦
Quits: ping (~uwu@66.42.92.79) (Ping timeout: 194
seconds)
L610[08:19:11] <Kristobear38> Izzy: cursed
<Kristobear38> Izzy: cursedL611[08:19:42] <Izzy> Apple only populated
half the pads for RAM slots!
L612[08:20:08] <Izzy> And DDR3 in an
optiplex is at least as fast as firewire 400 x3
L613[08:20:28] <Kristobear38> Lol
<Kristobear38> LolL614[08:20:49] <Izzy> Alas, it looks like
I won't be able to network the Sun via firewire, I'll
have to run ethernet.
L615[08:21:08] <Kristobear38> Couldn't you solder
more slots though?
<Kristobear38> Couldn't you solder
more slots though?L616[08:21:11] <Izzy> Solaris doesn't
have an IP-over-firewire driver it seems
L617[08:21:33] <Izzy> Theoretically?
Maybe. But DDR means soldering a lot of tiny surface mount
joints
L618[08:21:39]
⇨ Joins: ping (~uwu@femboy.me)
L619[08:21:53] <Izzy> I am shit at
soldering.
L620[08:22:29] <Izzy> 4GB is fine for
normal use though, it's just compiling webkit lmao
L621[08:25:34] <Kristobear38> Ah right, these are SMD. I
wouldn't dare without a hotplate, otherwise I'd likely
burn the plastic sockets themselves
<Kristobear38> Ah right, these are SMD. I
wouldn't dare without a hotplate, otherwise I'd likely
burn the plastic sockets themselvesL622[09:39:03] <einBeo>
feel like I've seen that name before https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533771171366047794/1785749943524-db00cad72bc4.png
<einBeo>
feel like I've seen that name before https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533771171366047794/1785749943524-db00cad72bc4.pngL623[09:44:54] <einBeo> I
just got it twice in a row
<einBeo> I
just got it twice in a rowL624[10:45:25] <SpiderEveryOS> %tonkout
<SpiderEveryOS> %tonkoutL625[10:45:25] <MichiBot> Woah!
SpiderEveryOS! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 5
hours, 53 minutes and 44 seconds (By 56 minutes and 43 seconds)! I
hope you're happy!
L626[10:45:26] <MichiBot> SpiderEveryOS
has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk
points! plus 0.005 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to
50% because stealing) Current score: 2.5668406. Position #1
L627[11:29:13] *
Amanda meows and looks around
L628[11:29:20] *
Amanda orders MichiBot some %soup
L629[11:29:21] <MichiBot> Waiter!!
Waiter!! Theres jeffreymander in my soup!
L630[11:29:47] <Amanda> %splash
@Forecaster with mutable currentcorn potion
L631[11:29:47] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable currentcorn potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster.
@Forecaster turns into a titanium rock girl until hell has a mild
winter.
L632[13:46:45] *** Joins: Vexatos
(~Vexatos@2001:4647:af75:0:def9:f1c2:ebab:bcda) Vexatos
L633[13:46:45]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L634[14:13:20] <Michiyo>
Ok, well great news, the 1.9.3 jar ACTUALLY loads. And seems
stable. OC in 1.21.1 lives
<Michiyo>
Ok, well great news, the 1.9.3 jar ACTUALLY loads. And seems
stable. OC in 1.21.1 livesL635[14:20:25] <Michiyo>
sigh AND of course I find a bug. Found the issue with the
manual.
<Michiyo>
sigh AND of course I find a bug. Found the issue with the
manual.L636[14:29:55] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL637[14:29:55] <MichiBot> Kapow! Vaur!
You beat SpiderEveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 3
hours, 44 minutes and 29 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L638[14:29:56] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 3 hours, 44 minutes and 29 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00374 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need
0.3062594 more points to pass Forecaster!
L639[14:33:26] <Michiyo>
Fix pushed.... 1.9.3-2 in approval queue. damn it.
<Michiyo>
Fix pushed.... 1.9.3-2 in approval queue. damn it.L640[14:34:20] <Brisingr
Aerowing> Thus is the life of a software dev
<Brisingr
Aerowing> Thus is the life of a software devL641[14:54:42] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> sigh AND of course I find a bug. Found the issue
with th…
L642[14:54:43] <SoraFirestorm> Glad it wasn't just
me, not so glad that it had to be stubborn and require a fix of
it's own :P
<SoraFirestorm> Glad it wasn't just
me, not so glad that it had to be stubborn and require a fix of
it's own :PL643[14:56:12] <Michiyo>
It's odd that it worked in my local builds but not on
release.....
<Michiyo>
It's odd that it worked in my local builds but not on
release.....L644[14:56:22] <Michiyo>
Aaand nvm no it's not I just realized why.
<Michiyo>
Aaand nvm no it's not I just realized why.L645[14:56:57] <Michiyo>
It was a case issue, and the ide seems to have been ignoring
that
<Michiyo>
It was a case issue, and the ide seems to have been ignoring
thatL646[14:57:45] <Amanda> %remindme 20m
check tablet
L647[14:57:46] <MichiBot> I'll tell
you "check tablet" in 20m at 08/03/2026 03:17:45 PM
L648[14:58:39] <Amanda> %choose big tv or
medium tv
L649[14:58:39] <MichiBot> Amanda:
"big tv", now with 30% fewer deaths caused by
negligence!
L650[15:04:47] <Amanda> %choose space 2 or
space at home or indie space
L651[15:04:47] <MichiBot> Amanda: Huh,
what? "space at home" I guess, now leave me alone
I'm playing Tetris.
L652[15:10:59] <Forecaster> That's such an IDE thing
to do
<Forecaster> That's such an IDE thing
to doL653[15:17:46] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER:
check tablet
L654[15:19:04] <Forecaster> No don't it's a
trap!
<Forecaster> No don't it's a
trap!L655[15:19:25] <Forecaster> Unless it's not an
ancient tablet, then it's probably fine
<Forecaster> Unless it's not an
ancient tablet, then it's probably fineL656[15:54:17] <lunar_sam>
trying to figure out how the FUCK to make yielding in the xpcall
handler work
<lunar_sam>
trying to figure out how the FUCK to make yielding in the xpcall
handler workL657[15:54:42] <einBeo> is
the swing method a likely candidate for modification? I feel like
in the light of this wrapper (see second image) (and the existance
of swingUp and swingDown in the API) implies that this description
(see first image) of the swing function of the base robot component
is missing the first argument
<einBeo> is
the swing method a likely candidate for modification? I feel like
in the light of this wrapper (see second image) (and the existance
of swingUp and swingDown in the API) implies that this description
(see first image) of the swing function of the base robot component
is missing the first argumentL658[15:54:42] <Corded> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533865702493130873/1785772481651-7d0856766af3.png
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533865702493130873/1785772481786-366862adb97c.png
L659[15:55:08] <einBeo> *
modification (by pack specific OC implementations)?
<einBeo> *
modification (by pack specific OC implementations)?L660[15:55:59] <einBeo>
same for place
<einBeo>
same for placeL661[15:57:15] <Michiyo>
Is this in base OC, or Rebooted?
<Michiyo>
Is this in base OC, or Rebooted?L662[15:57:29] <Corded> >
<lunar_sam> trying to figure out how the FUCK to make
yielding in the x…
L663[15:57:29] <RedstoneParkour> move the yielding
outside the xpcall handler perhaps?
<RedstoneParkour> move the yielding
outside the xpcall handler perhaps?L664[15:59:29] <RedstoneParkour> like `local ret =
table.pack(xpcall(f, function(r) return {r, debug.traceback()}
end)) if not ret[1] then --[[ error handler]] else --[[normal
path]] end`
<RedstoneParkour> like `local ret =
table.pack(xpcall(f, function(r) return {r, debug.traceback()}
end)) if not ret[1] then --[[ error handler]] else --[[normal
path]] end`L665[15:59:55] <RedstoneParkour> also michiyo: i think
both
<RedstoneParkour> also michiyo: i think
bothL666[15:59:59] <RedstoneParkour> at least base OC
<RedstoneParkour> at least base OCL667[16:00:07] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> Is this in base OC, or Rebooted?
L668[16:00:07] <einBeo>
it's neither, it's OC 1.12.48-GTNH, modified by the pack
as the name implies. I doubt that they would change the swing
method though? how would I tell whether it's base or
rebooted?
<einBeo>
it's neither, it's OC 1.12.48-GTNH, modified by the pack
as the name implies. I doubt that they would change the swing
method though? how would I tell whether it's base or
rebooted?L669[16:00:12] <einBeo>
-neither, it's
<einBeo>
-neither, it'sL670[16:00:21] <RedstoneParkour> the wiki is base
<RedstoneParkour> the wiki is baseL671[16:00:58] <RedstoneParkour> the openos floppy is
from the mod itself but very likely unchanged
<RedstoneParkour> the openos floppy is
from the mod itself but very likely unchangedL672[16:02:11] <Michiyo>
Just trying to see if this is something I'll need to fix
lol
<Michiyo>
Just trying to see if this is something I'll need to fix
lolL673[16:02:19] <einBeo> (a
follow up question would then be how one would implement swingUp in
base)
<einBeo> (a
follow up question would then be how one would implement swingUp in
base)L674[16:02:39] <Corded> >
<einBeo> (a follow up question would then be how one would
implement…
L675[16:02:39] <RedstoneParkour> pass sides.up (or
1)
<RedstoneParkour> pass sides.up (or
1)L676[16:03:15] <RedstoneParkour> the second image is very
likely just base openos
<RedstoneParkour> the second image is very
likely just base openosL677[16:03:21] <RedstoneParkour> scratch that
<RedstoneParkour> scratch thatL678[16:03:25] <RedstoneParkour> it is base openos
<RedstoneParkour> it is base openosL679[16:04:02] <einBeo>
yea, that makes the likely culprit simply an emitted first argument
in the documentation for swing, place, use
<einBeo>
yea, that makes the likely culprit simply an emitted first argument
in the documentation for swing, place, useL680[16:04:06] <einBeo> *
place and
<einBeo> *
place andL681[16:04:19] <RedstoneParkour> huh
<RedstoneParkour> huhL682[16:04:23] <RedstoneParkour> the wiki is
correct
<RedstoneParkour> the wiki is
correctL683[16:05:05] <RedstoneParkour> but do note you're
looking at the page for `require("component").robot`, not
`require("robot")` (the code the second image is part
of)
<RedstoneParkour> but do note you're
looking at the page for `require("component").robot`, not
`require("robot")` (the code the second image is part
of)L684[16:05:07] <einBeo> I
believe the side argument (optional) it is mentioning here is about
the face of the block targetted by the swing https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533868328190349462/1785773107498-1dfa09769a09.png
<einBeo> I
believe the side argument (optional) it is mentioning here is about
the face of the block targetted by the swing https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533868328190349462/1785773107498-1dfa09769a09.pngL686[16:05:24] <einBeo>
dw, I'm aware
<einBeo>
dw, I'm awareL687[16:05:41] <RedstoneParkour> oh
<RedstoneParkour> ohL688[16:05:46] <RedstoneParkour> oh just a doc
issue
<RedstoneParkour> oh just a doc
issueL689[16:05:55] <RedstoneParkour> minor even
<RedstoneParkour> minor evenL690[16:06:42] <RedstoneParkour> should be "against
the block or space on `side` of the robot"
<RedstoneParkour> should be "against
the block or space on `side` of the robot"L691[16:06:54] <RedstoneParkour> (or "on side
`side`")
<RedstoneParkour> (or "on side
`side`")L693[16:07:33] <RedstoneParkour> oh thats what you
mean
<RedstoneParkour> oh thats what you
meanL694[16:07:36] <RedstoneParkour> also correct
<RedstoneParkour> also correctL695[16:07:47] <RedstoneParkour> sometimes the ocdoc is
slightly incorrect
<RedstoneParkour> sometimes the ocdoc is
slightly incorrectL696[16:08:20] <RedstoneParkour> then the component
documentation (`components -l robot` on a robot) is likely correct
(but short)
<RedstoneParkour> then the component
documentation (`components -l robot` on a robot) is likely correct
(but short)L697[16:09:32] <einBeo>
phew, awesome, a bit of a relief after some confusion. thanks for
helping me figure this out! (just wanted to sanity check since what
I was gathering from the source didn't fully align with the
ocdoc)
<einBeo>
phew, awesome, a bit of a relief after some confusion. thanks for
helping me figure this out! (just wanted to sanity check since what
I was gathering from the source didn't fully align with the
ocdoc)L698[16:10:50] <RedstoneParkour> another one of those
cases is `transposer.transferItem`
<RedstoneParkour> another one of those
cases is `transposer.transferItem`L699[16:11:14] <RedstoneParkour> (most of the arguments
are actually optional)
<RedstoneParkour> (most of the arguments
are actually optional)L700[16:18:13] <asie> okay
let's try to guess how many commits behind this thing is
<asie> okay
let's try to guess how many commits behind this thing isL701[16:19:18] <asie>
it's the most I can do
<asie>
it's the most I can doL702[16:19:21] <Michiyo> I
pulled in a few last night before pushing 1.9.3
<Michiyo> I
pulled in a few last night before pushing 1.9.3L703[16:19:21] <asie> *
least
<asie> *
leastL704[16:20:08] <Michiyo> I
dont have the commit hash i started from handy as im at work
<Michiyo> I
dont have the commit hash i started from handy as im at workL705[16:23:22] <asie> for
some reason JNLua is now in-repo as opposed to out-of-repo
<asie> for
some reason JNLua is now in-repo as opposed to out-of-repoL706[16:23:25] <asie> as
in the Java part
<asie> as
in the Java partL707[16:26:35] <SoraFirestorm> It probably wasn't
"on purpose"
<SoraFirestorm> It probably wasn't
"on purpose"L708[16:26:56] <asie> oh I
know
<asie> oh I
knowL709[16:27:03] <asie> I
assume it was to fix some kind of build/run issue
<asie> I
assume it was to fix some kind of build/run issueL710[16:29:28] <asie> I
think you might have it all
<asie> I
think you might have it allL711[16:29:49] <asie> as
for RAM usage...
<asie> as
for RAM usage...L712[16:30:06] <asie>
personally I would be in favor of doubling all previous tiers
<asie>
personally I would be in favor of doubling all previous tiersL713[16:30:23] <asie>
relative to 1.12
<asie>
relative to 1.12L714[16:30:23] <asie> RAM
is expensive these days, but RAM wasn't much cheaper back when
those values were
<asie> RAM
is expensive these days, but RAM wasn't much cheaper back when
those values wereL715[16:30:28] <asie>
decided
<asie>
decidedL716[16:30:33] <asie> (so
~2013?)
<asie> (so
~2013?)L717[16:30:54] <asie> I
paid around $120 for 16GB of RAM back in 2015
<asie> I
paid around $120 for 16GB of RAM back in 2015L718[16:30:55] <Michiyo>
Well i moved from 192 to 256 base, should it double in your
opinion?
<Michiyo>
Well i moved from 192 to 256 base, should it double in your
opinion?L719[16:31:21] <asie>
I'd say the amount of RAM people have in their computers on
average doubled since
<asie>
I'd say the amount of RAM people have in their computers on
average doubled sinceL720[16:31:28] <asie> So I
think a doubling of OC memory defaults is similarly
appropriate
<asie> So I
think a doubling of OC memory defaults is similarly
appropriateL721[16:31:41] <asie> But
you might want to get a second opinion
<asie> But
you might want to get a second opinionL722[16:32:17] <asie>
also, Quad T2 Graphics Card? 😛
<asie>
also, Quad T2 Graphics Card? 😛L723[16:32:48] <asie> that
kind of makes sense
<asie> that
kind of makes senseL724[16:33:25] <Michiyo>
Hey ask Izzy she wanted it lmao
<Michiyo>
Hey ask Izzy she wanted it lmaoL725[16:33:35] <Corded> > <asie>
I'd say the amount of RAM people have in their computers
on…
L726[16:33:35] <SoraFirestorm> I like the 2-3
patterning
<SoraFirestorm> I like the 2-3
patterningL727[16:33:37] <Michiyo>
And I said why the eff not lol
<Michiyo>
And I said why the eff not lolL728[16:33:58] <asie> as
for Computronics: you have my spiritual okay to integrate whatever
the hell you need from Computronics that I designed into OC
<asie> as
for Computronics: you have my spiritual okay to integrate whatever
the hell you need from Computronics that I designed into OCL729[16:33:58] <SoraFirestorm> Always bothered me that
the graphics and the amounts didn't logically line up
<SoraFirestorm> Always bothered me that
the graphics and the amounts didn't logically line upL730[16:34:08] <asie>
@Vexatos hey what about you
<asie>
@Vexatos hey what about youL731[16:34:25] <asie>
CC:Tweaked already integrated DFPWM, OC can't be worse
<asie>
CC:Tweaked already integrated DFPWM, OC can't be worseL732[16:34:45] <Michiyo> I
was going to ask about either porting it forward, or pulling stuff
in
<Michiyo> I
was going to ask about either porting it forward, or pulling stuff
inL733[16:34:58] <asie>
porting it forward is kinder in the sense that the CC people also
get to benefit
<asie>
porting it forward is kinder in the sense that the CC people also
get to benefitL734[16:35:09] <asie> but
again, CC integrated some of that stuff already
<asie> but
again, CC integrated some of that stuff alreadyL735[16:35:34] <asie> if I
ever find some motivation, I might give fixing JNLua another
shot
<asie> if I
ever find some motivation, I might give fixing JNLua another
shotL736[16:35:44] <asie> that
is, updating its Lua 5.4 support to the latest Lua version, and
from there, adding a Lua 5.5 option
<asie> that
is, updating its Lua 5.4 support to the latest Lua version, and
from there, adding a Lua 5.5 optionL737[16:36:18] <Forecaster> We're gonna need more
ram to run Crysis on this thing
<Forecaster> We're gonna need more
ram to run Crysis on this thingL738[16:37:15] <asie> >
It moves them to opencomputers/natives instead of directly in the
root.
<asie> >
It moves them to opencomputers/natives instead of directly in the
root.L739[16:37:15] <asie> can
we get a PR to do this upstream as well? for the final OC
update
<asie> can
we get a PR to do this upstream as well? for the final OC
updateL740[16:37:47] <asie> as I
want to get it out this month and move on, especially now that I
know a fork of OC is in passionate hands
<asie> as I
want to get it out this month and move on, especially now that I
know a fork of OC is in passionate handsL741[16:40:03] <Corded> > <asie>
> It moves them to opencomputers/natives instead of
directl…
L742[16:40:03] <Michiyo> I
can look into it, it might be the weekend before I have time, but
ill try to prioritize it
<Michiyo> I
can look into it, it might be the weekend before I have time, but
ill try to prioritize itL743[16:40:11] <asie> ah,
then don't worry
<asie> ah,
then don't worryL744[16:40:36] <asie>
I'll just backport the commit myself
<asie>
I'll just backport the commit myselfL745[16:40:42] <Michiyo> I
dont mind, it just depends on how the week goes... ive got some
medical stuff i have to deal with
<Michiyo> I
dont mind, it just depends on how the week goes... ive got some
medical stuff i have to deal withL746[16:40:50] <asie>
ah
<asie>
ahL747[16:40:50] <Michiyo>
Ah, ok.
<Michiyo>
Ah, ok.L749[16:41:18] <asie> that
was easy
<asie> that
was easyL750[16:42:13] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 👍 to <asie> that was easy
L751[16:56:38] <Vexatos> uuh what did I
miss
L752[16:57:25] <Vexatos> who's making
an OC fork
L753[16:59:02] <Forecaster> Michiyo
<Forecaster> MichiyoL754[16:59:15] <Forecaster> has taken over one
rather
<Forecaster> has taken over one
ratherL755[16:59:39] <Vexatos> cool
L756[17:00:35] <Vexatos> good luck with
that
L757[17:01:17] <Vexatos> uuh as for what
asie pinged about, I am pretty sure almost everything I added to
computronics was mod integration of some sort so it's not
applicable anyway
L758[17:01:44] <Vexatos> except for like
the sound card
L759[17:03:19] <Vexatos> I am not sure if
I will have time to port computronics if a port of OC exists,
largely because I am not sure how much work it is, even if I
disable most mod integration
L760[17:08:52] <Kristobear38> @asie I think doubling ram
sizes is not only a case of making sure the mod doesn't hoard
too many resources but also a question of gameplay balance
<Kristobear38> @asie I think doubling ram
sizes is not only a case of making sure the mod doesn't hoard
too many resources but also a question of gameplay balanceL761[17:10:17] <Michiyo> I
think the original porter stole the sound card from computronics
anyway..
<Michiyo> I
think the original porter stole the sound card from computronics
anyway..L762[17:10:17] <Michiyo>
Just like they did OpenScreens
<Michiyo>
Just like they did OpenScreensL763[17:10:45] <Michiyo>
There is an "Audio Card" in the mod that I had no idea
how to use.
<Michiyo>
There is an "Audio Card" in the mod that I had no idea
how to use.L764[17:11:00] <Vexatos> computronics
added two, a "Noise card" which is just multiple beep
cards in one
L765[17:11:17] <Vexatos> and a sound card
which uses some kind of cursed instruction-based sound chip
emulator I came up with myself
L766[17:11:36] <Vexatos> at least
largely
L767[17:12:41] <Vexatos> fingercomp wrote
a decent program for it
L768[17:15:32] <Michiyo> I
didn't have time to compare their implementation with
computronics. Will review when I have a chance
<Michiyo> I
didn't have time to compare their implementation with
computronics. Will review when I have a chanceL769[17:16:00] <Vexatos> like three people
ever used it anyway
L770[17:19:57] <SoraFirestorm> https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/OpenComputers/blob/d19532938bb810142b66ee892d99fb0c21828715/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/Settings.scala#L90
<SoraFirestorm> https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/OpenComputers/blob/d19532938bb810142b66ee892d99fb0c21828715/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/Settings.scala#L90L771[17:19:58] <SoraFirestorm> 1.20 memory defaults still
floating around, should probably do an audit and ensure the default
config and the internal fallbacks actually match
<SoraFirestorm> 1.20 memory defaults still
floating around, should probably do an audit and ensure the default
config and the internal fallbacks actually matchL772[17:20:08] <SoraFirestorm> I might do this
later
<SoraFirestorm> I might do this
laterL773[17:21:53] <Corded> >
<Kristobear38> @asie I think doubling ram sizes is not only
a case of maki…
L774[17:21:53] <asie> the
thing is that since the values were last set, OpenOS grew in
size
<asie> the
thing is that since the values were last set, OpenOS grew in
sizeL775[17:22:11] <Corded> >
<Michiyo> reacted 👍 to <SoraFirestorm> I might do
this later
L776[17:23:00] <SoraFirestorm> If 256k still ends up
being too tight
<SoraFirestorm> If 256k still ends up
being too tightL777[17:23:21] <SoraFirestorm> I'd almost rather try
to come up with a stripped down OS maybe
<SoraFirestorm> I'd almost rather try
to come up with a stripped down OS maybeL778[17:23:31] <SoraFirestorm> That ends up creating like
2x more work though
<SoraFirestorm> That ends up creating like
2x more work thoughL779[17:23:50] <SoraFirestorm> And/or OpenOS needs a
'low memory' mode
<SoraFirestorm> And/or OpenOS needs a
'low memory' modeL780[17:25:40] <SoraFirestorm> I feel like that's
the actual problem - there is no stock, self-contained option for
low memory computers other than to bump the defaults
<SoraFirestorm> I feel like that's
the actual problem - there is no stock, self-contained option for
low memory computers other than to bump the defaultsL781[17:25:41] <asie> plus
I don't know how Lua 5.4/5.5 memory usage compares to
5.3
<asie> plus
I don't know how Lua 5.4/5.5 memory usage compares to
5.3L782[17:25:55] <asie>
someone would need to sit down and take notes
<asie>
someone would need to sit down and take notesL783[17:26:10] <SoraFirestorm> 5.5 supposedly brings
better memory usage, or at least a better GC
<SoraFirestorm> 5.5 supposedly brings
better memory usage, or at least a better GCL784[17:26:21] <asie> yeah
but that's for larger programs than OpenOS probably
<asie> yeah
but that's for larger programs than OpenOS probablyL785[18:02:25] *** Joins: Hawk777
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L786[19:50:04] <lunar_sam>
great success https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533924933682466877/1785786603700-0677f7617674.png
<lunar_sam>
great success https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533924933682466877/1785786603700-0677f7617674.pngL787[20:19:33] <lunar_sam>
yeah https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533932358007390380/1785788373547-ff577710b2da.png
<lunar_sam>
yeah https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1533932358007390380/1785788373547-ff577710b2da.pngL788[20:21:09] <lunar_sam>
(for the xpcall thing earlier, i decided there's not all that
many places you need the exact functionality of xpcall, so it
instead passes the error and trace to the error handler, and i
called the function `ypcall`, yieldable pcall)
<lunar_sam>
(for the xpcall thing earlier, i decided there's not all that
many places you need the exact functionality of xpcall, so it
instead passes the error and trace to the error handler, and i
called the function `ypcall`, yieldable pcall)L789[20:27:59] <Corded> >
<unitazer> reacted 👀 to <lunar_sam> great
success
L790[20:45:17] <Izzy> asie: terminal
server time >:3
L791[21:10:27] <Amanda> %choose comfort or
utility or comfort and laptopnaptime
L792[21:10:28] <MichiBot> Amanda: I tried
reading my tea leaves this morning. There was something about death
and doom. Anyway, go with "utility"
L793[21:10:48] <Amanda> Hrrrmmm
L794[21:10:57] <Amanda> Counterpoint:
Comfort and laptopnaptime
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L798[22:57:16] <Amanda> %choose storage or
mining ability
L799[22:57:16] <MichiBot> Amanda:
You'll want to go with "mining ability".