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<Ocawesome101> Izzy: thoughts on NixOS for
common configs?
<Ocawesome101> Izzy: thoughts on NixOS for
common configs?L2[00:18:37] <Ocawesome101> ig that's more of a
whole-system change though
<Ocawesome101> ig that's more of a
whole-system change thoughL3[00:25:16] <Izzy> Most NixOS users I know
spend more time fighting NixOS than using their computer :p
L4[00:25:32] <Izzy> And they're smarter
than me
L5[00:25:37] <Ocawesome101> honestly fair
<Ocawesome101> honestly fairL6[00:25:50] <Ocawesome101> i have stuck to Arch thus
far but i do want a way to share configs between machines
<Ocawesome101> i have stuck to Arch thus
far but i do want a way to share configs between machinesL7[00:35:00] <Ocawesome101> also, do you have your
ansible management node running on like a server?
<Ocawesome101> also, do you have your
ansible management node running on like a server?L8[00:35:21] <Izzy> no I keep my playbooks
in git
L9[00:35:30] <Izzy> Can install ansible and
run them from wherever
L10[00:35:49] <Izzy> Though in practice it
ends up being my laptop and desktop x3
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L14[00:59:26] <Ocawesome101> how does the inventory
setup work for that?
<Ocawesome101> how does the inventory
setup work for that?L15[01:00:14] <Izzy> it's in git
too
L16[01:00:19] <Izzy> for real hosts
L17[01:00:29] <Izzy> containers and VMs are
pulled in from proxmox at runtime
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L20[01:04:11] <Ocawesome101> how do you differentiate
which host you're running the playbook on?
<Ocawesome101> how do you differentiate
which host you're running the playbook on?L21[01:04:29] <Izzy> like, VM hosts?
L22[01:04:38] <Ocawesome101> real ones
<Ocawesome101> real onesL23[01:04:44] <Izzy> if it's targeting
them directly you just specify them by name
L24[01:05:03] <Ocawesome101> and `ansible_host` is just
`localhost`?
<Ocawesome101> and `ansible_host` is just
`localhost`?L25[01:05:57] <Izzy> otherwise, it creates
groups for like, for example, proxmox_asakura_lxc and
proxmox_all_running
L26[01:06:05] <Izzy> so you can do filters
for these
L27[01:06:53] <Izzy> though mostly I just
specify which server I want a given service on and have it create a
container with the right - we were talking about desktops not
servers weren't we
L28[01:07:00] <Izzy> uhhh so I have a
[mintdesktop] group basically
L29[01:07:30] <Izzy> more accurately, I
have a lmdesktops group that contains the mint21 and mint22
groups
L30[01:09:55] <Ocawesome101> do you need an ansible host
daemon or w/e running on every computer?
<Ocawesome101> do you need an ansible host
daemon or w/e running on every computer?L31[01:10:08] <Izzy> nope
L32[01:10:11] <Izzy> logs in via ssh
L33[01:10:51] <Ocawesome101> oh i see. didn't
properly scan the error message : ⁾ i can read, i swear
<Ocawesome101> oh i see. didn't
properly scan the error message : ⁾ i can read, i swearL34[01:11:46] <Izzy> it does mean
you're not able to do things to hosts that are offline but
that's why it generates retry files, so you can retry against
failed hosts later
L35[01:19:49] <Ocawesome101> i take it administering
configuration changes has to be done individually from each
machine?
<Ocawesome101> i take it administering
configuration changes has to be done individually from each
machine?L36[01:19:50] <Amanda> @Ocawesome101 I say
this as a serial distro-hopper who managed to stay on nixos for
like 5-6 years: don't bother
L37[01:20:03] <Ocawesome101> fair enough
<Ocawesome101> fair enoughL38[01:20:09] <Ocawesome101> i installed it in a VM once
for giggles
<Ocawesome101> i installed it in a VM once
for gigglesL39[01:20:15] <Ocawesome101> not too long ago
<Ocawesome101> not too long agoL40[01:21:26] <Amanda> Nixos is great in
theory, but the community is a whole pile of hacks upon hacks. PRs
take forever to get even looked at, I'm pretty sure I still
have a couple from my first years of using it that are still open.
I stopped using nix a year or two ago
L41[01:21:58] <Amanda> And it's just
too alien for most software to use properly
L42[01:22:09] <Ocawesome101> i thought i had in my head
that you were one of the people here who had used it
<Ocawesome101> i thought i had in my head
that you were one of the people here who had used itL43[01:23:07] <Amanda> Linux just
doesn't expect for every binary to be in /nix, read-only,
chowned to nobody:nobody, too much software expects setuis type
stuff
L44[01:23:35] <Amanda> Steam is a rolling
target that frequently was just broken whenever I wanted to
play
L45[01:24:10] <Ocawesome101> games were a big concern
and part of why i hadn't switched yet
<Ocawesome101> games were a big concern
and part of why i hadn't switched yetL46[01:24:16] <Ocawesome101> also the package manager
(in a vm at least) is dog slow
<Ocawesome101> also the package manager
(in a vm at least) is dog slowL47[01:24:51] <Amanda> Fuck, one of my open
prs was just to *add a symlink to the chroot the packages use* so
unity games worked. I wrote that patch last time Izzy made a ksp
mod pack, and it still hasn't been merged
L48[01:25:04] <Amanda> It got bike-shedded
a bit the. Just fhosted
L49[01:26:59] <Amanda> I guess one nice
thing about nix is since it's all declarative, I can just have
my patch in my nixos repo like this for my personal use: https://git.camnet.site/homelab/nixos/src/branch/master/pkgs/default.nix#L96
L50[01:27:19] <Amanda> But that's what
I mean by hacks upon hacks. Everyone's got patches like that
in their configs
L51[01:27:29] <Amanda> Nothing gets fixed
"upstream"
L52[01:29:21] <Amanda> I went from running
nix-based stuff on everything to a single VM that I'm slowly
moving stuff out of
L53[01:33:01] <Amanda> </rant> sorry
I'll go back to meowing about the half-fae to Elfi now.
:3
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L59[01:44:40] <Izzy> Ocawesome101: I mean
you run it on your local machine and it tries to run each step in
parallel on every target
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L61[02:04:26] <Ocawesome101> gotcha. and just kinda
fails on everything other than local machine?
<Ocawesome101> gotcha. and just kinda
fails on everything other than local machine?L62[02:12:05] <Izzy> um. No?
L63[02:12:21] <Izzy> Why would it let me
target other machines if it would just fail?
L64[04:22:48] <SpiderEveryOS> %tonkout
<SpiderEveryOS> %tonkoutL65[04:22:48] <MichiBot> Yeah!
SpiderEveryOS! You beat Vaur's previous record of 3 hours,
37 minutes and 39 seconds (By 4 hours, 29 minutes and 30 seconds)!
I hope you're happy!
L66[04:22:49] <MichiBot> SpiderEveryOS has
stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk
points! plus 0.007 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to
50% because stealing) Current score: 0.48793. Position #2 => #1
(Overtook Forecaster)
L67[04:22:57] <SpiderEveryOS> Nice
<SpiderEveryOS> NiceL68[04:37:20] <Forecaster> Dang
<Forecaster> DangL69[05:19:54] <Ariri>
izzy: any chance u could share some snippets of ur playbooks?
actually considering it tbh
<Ariri>
izzy: any chance u could share some snippets of ur playbooks?
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L71[06:40:08] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL72[06:40:08] <MichiBot> Goshhawk! Vaur!
You beat SpiderEveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 2
hours, 17 minutes and 19 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L73[06:40:09] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 2 hours, 17 minutes and 19 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00229 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need
0.07105 more points to pass Forecaster!
L74[06:57:43] <Izzy> Ariri: can do, though
later. need to commit some stuff to git x3
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L76[11:02:28] <SpiderEveryOS> %tonk
<SpiderEveryOS> %tonkL77[11:02:28] <MichiBot> Swell!
SpiderEveryOS! You beat Vaur's previous record of 2 hours,
17 minutes and 19 seconds (By 2 hours and 5 minutes)! I hope
you're happy!
L78[11:02:29] <MichiBot>
SpiderEveryOS's new record is 4 hours, 22 minutes and 19
seconds! SpiderEveryOS also gained 0.00624 (0.00208 x 3) tonk
points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L79[12:32:23] *
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L81[12:32:27] <MichiBot> Waiter!! Waiter!!
Theres a Shiny genuine l&uuml;mp! (10%) in my soup!
L82[12:32:43] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster
with mutable pink potion
L83[12:32:43] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable pink potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster.
@Forecaster turns into a frog until they have a nap.
L84[12:42:40] <Forecaster> D:<
<Forecaster> D:<L85[12:42:43] <Forecaster> nap time!
<Forecaster> nap time!L86[12:42:45] <Forecaster> zzzz
<Forecaster> zzzzL88[13:45:27] <Forecaster> When you have too many
harddrives and don't remember what's on them
<Forecaster> When you have too many
harddrives and don't remember what's on themL89[13:50:45] <Flameingsoul> Mmmmm drives
<Flameingsoul> Mmmmm drivesL90[13:50:49] <Flameingsoul> Thay are tasty
<Flameingsoul> Thay are tastyL91[13:51:09] <Flameingsoul> Speaking of tasty
%chug
<Flameingsoul> Speaking of tasty
%chugL92[13:51:09] <MichiBot> You drink a muddy
green potion (New!). Flameingsoul turns into water fairy until an
angel gets their wings.
L93[13:59:56] <Forecaster> the problem is that a few may
be bad
<Forecaster> the problem is that a few may
be badL94[14:00:36] <Forecaster> I discovered that my media
server had issues accessing files on a drive, and in response I
shut it down saying I'd deal with it later
<Forecaster> I discovered that my media
server had issues accessing files on a drive, and in response I
shut it down saying I'd deal with it laterL95[14:00:43] <Forecaster> that was just over a year ago
I think...
<Forecaster> that was just over a year ago
I think...L96[14:04:19] <Corded> >
<Forecaster> When you have too many harddrives and
don't remember what's…
L97[14:04:20] <SpiderEveryOS> So many drives
<SpiderEveryOS> So many drivesL98[14:07:27] <Flameingsoul> I actually need to get
around to doing shit with my equipment
<Flameingsoul> I actually need to get
around to doing shit with my equipmentL99[14:16:47] <Forecaster> I wrote a python program that
scans the contents and indexes it, and hopefully doing that I can
also find which files are inaccessible
<Forecaster> I wrote a python program that
scans the contents and indexes it, and hopefully doing that I can
also find which files are inaccessibleL100[14:17:01] <Forecaster> but there are a lot of drives
to go through
<Forecaster> but there are a lot of drives
to go throughL101[14:17:37] <Forecaster> I hope the important part of
my media collection are recoverable
<Forecaster> I hope the important part of
my media collection are recoverableL102[14:44:41] <Lizzy>
<~SpiderEveryOS> So many Drives
L103[14:44:43] <Lizzy> If you think
that's a lot of drives https://party.theender.net/publiccrap/IMG_20260212_144312_852.jpg
L104[14:48:24] <Flameingsoul> so many
<Flameingsoul> so manyL105[14:49:00] <Flameingsoul> i got like.... i think 4
hard drives left? and like 6 ssd, and 8 or so scuzzy i think? idk i
forgot what they are but server uses em
<Flameingsoul> i got like.... i think 4
hard drives left? and like 6 ssd, and 8 or so scuzzy i think? idk i
forgot what they are but server uses emL106[14:49:38] <Flameingsoul> but that is so much, why do
you have so many drives?
<Flameingsoul> but that is so much, why do
you have so many drives?L107[14:57:52] <Forecaster> I don't think those are
personal drives though
<Forecaster> I don't think those are
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L119[16:36:49] <Flameingsoul> %tonk
<Flameingsoul> %tonkL120[16:36:49] <MichiBot> Yow!
Flameingsoul! You beat SpiderEveryOS's previous record of 4
hours, 22 minutes and 19 seconds (By 1 hour, 12 minutes and 1
second)! I hope you're happy!
L121[16:36:50] <MichiBot>
Flameingsoul's new record is 5 hours, 34 minutes and 21
seconds! Flameingsoul also gained 0.006 (0.0012 x 5) tonk points
for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.16108 more points to
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L125[19:06:23] <Corded> >
<Lizzy> If you think that's a lot of drives https://party.theender…
L126[19:06:23] <SpiderEveryOS> How do you get such a huge
shelf of them? Do you work at a datacenter?
<SpiderEveryOS> How do you get such a huge
shelf of them? Do you work at a datacenter?L127[19:06:23] <SpiderEveryOS>
<SpiderEveryOS>L128[19:06:23] <SpiderEveryOS> What's written in the
red? Does that say dead drives
<SpiderEveryOS> What's written in the
red? Does that say dead drivesL129[19:13:34] <Forecaster> Don't Inside, Dead
Drives
<Forecaster> Don't Inside, Dead
DrivesL130[19:24:56] <Forecaster> hm
<Forecaster> hmL131[19:25:21] <Forecaster> I have a slight suspicion my
scanner is miscounting the file sizes somehow
<Forecaster> I have a slight suspicion my
scanner is miscounting the file sizes somehowL133[19:25:41] <Forecaster> This drive's physical
max size is 4TB...
<Forecaster> This drive's physical
max size is 4TB...L134[19:26:20] <Amanda> compression?
L135[19:26:59] <Amanda> or it's
scanning some files twice due to symlink following
L136[19:27:36] <Forecaster> there shouldn't be any
symlinks on this drive, it's just a media drive
<Forecaster> there shouldn't be any
symlinks on this drive, it's just a media driveL137[19:27:54] <Forecaster> and no compressed files
either, mostly just video files
<Forecaster> and no compressed files
either, mostly just video filesL138[19:29:50] <Forecaster> I should probably do some
tests with my scanner before I begin using it...
<Forecaster> I should probably do some
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L140[19:44:26] <Forecaster> well, I have 3 drives that
appear to just straight up not work
<Forecaster> well, I have 3 drives that
appear to just straight up not workL141[19:44:48] <Forecaster> they start up and spin, but
no drive is available
<Forecaster> they start up and spin, but
no drive is availableL142[19:45:14] <Forecaster> I have no idea what's on
them because they're not labelled
<Forecaster> I have no idea what's on
them because they're not labelledL143[19:46:17] <Forecaster> but at least I've
confirmed that most of my media collection appears to be fine, most
of what I care about are the really old cartoons from the early 80s
and 90s, because I think most of those are impossible to find
now
<Forecaster> but at least I've
confirmed that most of my media collection appears to be fine, most
of what I care about are the really old cartoons from the early 80s
and 90s, because I think most of those are impossible to find
nowL144[19:49:20] <Forecaster> correction, 60s onwards
<Forecaster> correction, 60s onwardsL145[20:00:58] <Forecaster> hm, the episodes of Red Dwarf
on this drive have no video, just audio
<Forecaster> hm, the episodes of Red Dwarf
on this drive have no video, just audioL146[20:01:32] <Forecaster> but they're all like
that, and everything else I tested seems fine, so they might have
been like that for a long time
<Forecaster> but they're all like
that, and everything else I tested seems fine, so they might have
been like that for a long timeL147[20:01:49] <Vaur> rip
red dwarf
<Vaur> rip
red dwarfL148[20:02:25] <Izzy> everyone's
dead, dave
L149[20:14:15] <Forecaster> it's probably possible
to find and re-download that show, hopefully
<Forecaster> it's probably possible
to find and re-download that show, hopefullyL150[20:14:53] <Vaur>
%chug
<Vaur>
%chugL151[20:14:53] <MichiBot> You drink a
molten spice potion (New!). Vaur turns into a rubium steel boy
until hell has a mild winter.
L152[20:37:40] <Forecaster> I'm also looking into
long term cloud storage for the archive
<Forecaster> I'm also looking into
long term cloud storage for the archiveL153[20:37:59] <Forecaster> Amazon S3 seems like a
primary candidate for that
<Forecaster> Amazon S3 seems like a
primary candidate for thatL154[22:02:00] <Lizzy>
<~SpiderEveryOS> How do you get such a huge shelf of them? Do
you work at a datacenter?
L155[22:02:02] <Lizzy> Nope, just work at
a college and over the years we've gotten rid of a number of
servers. we do have a contract with our disposal company that
they'll wipe the drives but for server drives I err on the
side of caution and set stuff up to wipe them ourselves
L156[22:02:30] <Lizzy> and yes, the red
writing is dead
L157[22:03:04] <Amanda> %splash
@Forecaster with mutable red potion
L158[22:03:04] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable red potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster.
@Forecaster turns into a grass plant girl until hell celebrates
midsummer.
L159[22:03:19] <Ocawesome101> Izzy: sorry. what i meant
to ask is, presumably when you run it on one machine it will
succeed for that machine, and fail for others (that it can't
reach)?
<Ocawesome101> Izzy: sorry. what i meant
to ask is, presumably when you run it on one machine it will
succeed for that machine, and fail for others (that it can't
reach)?L160[22:03:38] <Izzy> uuuh if it targets
the local machine yes?
L161[22:03:43] <Lizzy> @Forecaster
Hetzner's storagebox is a pretty good option
L162[22:04:05] <Izzy> backblaze is not the
most expensive option
L163[22:04:16] <Izzy> tasks can also fail
if they run into issues
L164[22:05:18] <Ocawesome101> i would expect this
<Ocawesome101> i would expect thisL165[22:10:55] <Flameingsoul> %tonkout
<Flameingsoul> %tonkoutL166[22:10:56] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Flameingsoul, you were not able to beat Flameingsoul's
record of 5 hours, 34 minutes and 21 seconds this time. 5 hours, 34
minutes and 6 seconds were wasted! Missed by 14 seconds!
L167[22:11:04] <Flameingsoul> What
<Flameingsoul> WhatL168[22:11:42] <Flameingsoul> 14 seconds
<Flameingsoul> 14 secondsL169[22:46:01] ⇦
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L170[23:09:05] <Michiyo>
@Forecaster I have red dwarf if you can't find / get it
<Michiyo>
@Forecaster I have red dwarf if you can't find / get itL171[23:44:08] <Ariri>
%pat Izzy
<Ariri>
%pat IzzyL172[23:44:08] <MichiBot> Ariri is
brushing Izzy with the Shiny concept of immortality! (10%). Izzy
regains 1d6 => 4 hit points!
L173[23:44:34] <Ariri> is
the concept shiny or the immortality shiny
<Ariri> is
the concept shiny or the immortality shinyL174[23:44:34] <Ariri> u
live forever but u look like silver surfer
<Ariri> u
live forever but u look like silver surfer