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L1[00:29:13] <Izzy> nadja: the scary part is that because it's not backwards (letter-order) it's not just the RTL text marker
L2[00:29:58] <Amanda> Have some cute transbian post-humanist story: https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1081936/witch-of-the-web/
L3[00:30:17] <Amanda> Read the CWs though, one or two chapters really need them
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L7[01:30:21] * Amanda curls up around Elfi, meows the secret password to get a favor from the fae, asks for breakfast
L8[01:30:22] * Amanda Head pats and cuddles
L9[01:30:36] <Amanda> S/breakfast//
L10[01:30:49] <Amanda> Night girls
L11[01:33:20] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonkout
L12[01:33:20] <MichiBot> Boom! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 6 hours, 58 minutes and 6 seconds (By 19 minutes and 33 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L13[01:33:21] <MichiBot> Spider ​EveryOS has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.007 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 2.64073908. Position #1
L14[05:17:09] <Mic​hiyo> Hey, so FYI. Bad idea to pour boiling water on your hand.
L15[05:24:56] <Forec​aster> But that's my favorite hobby D:
L16[05:29:54] <Mic​hiyo> Then you are tougher than me. This fucking sucks
L17[05:34:51] <Forec​aster> I've touched boiling water before, it does in fact suck
L18[06:39:47] <Forec​aster> If you're a vampire, does boiling holy water hurt more then just holy water...
L19[06:50:13] <Jas​onS> Let us suppose that holy water to a vampire is equivalent to azeotropic hydrochloric acid for a human. Does boiling azeotropic hydrochloric acid hurt more than the regular, room-temperature variety?
L20[06:50:20] <Jas​onS> I would conjecture that it hurts *significantly* more
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L23[07:35:05] <ff​_66> i found a mod where crashing the game doesn't crash the game. instead, if the error didn't occur while loading, the game allows you to go back to the main menu. i don't even understand why it is not a feature...
L24[08:01:34] <ff​_66> hmmm...
L25[08:01:45] <ff​_66> i think oc.cil.li has a problem
L26[08:01:55] <ff​_66> the certificate expired today
L27[08:05:16] <ff​_66> and because the site *requires* a secure connection, i can't access oc.cil.li
L28[08:10:48] <Jas​onS> Reminds me of that time the silk song website’s certificate expired
L29[08:10:58] <Jas​onS> *still waiting for silksong*
L30[08:11:02] <Jas​onS> * silksong website’s certificate expired
L31[08:14:35] <ff​_66> the certificate expired today at 0:09
L32[08:28:53] <Forec​aster> The wiki still works
L33[08:29:10] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L34[08:29:12] <MichiBot> Darn! Forec​aster! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 6 hours, 55 minutes and 50 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L35[08:29:13] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 6 hours, 55 minutes and 50 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00693 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3 => #2. (Overtook Vaur) Need 0.05958908 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!
L36[08:30:32] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> The wiki still works
L37[08:30:32] <ff​_66> the forum doesn't anymore because of an SSL cert
L38[08:38:18] <Forec​aster> @Liizzii-chan
L39[08:45:47] <Liizzi​i-chan> Why the fuck did that break.... Urghh
L40[08:45:56] <Liizzi​i-chan> I'll see if I can fix it shortly
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L42[09:29:45] <Izzy> Presumably, because the game shouldn't crash, so it shouldn't be a concern.
L43[09:33:32] <Liizzi​i-chan> ah, no i can't fix the forum ssl issue until i get home. I forgot that i locked my server down so that only remote connections from wireguard could access the web interface
L44[10:25:14] <ff​_66> i never saw that
L45[10:25:14] <ff​_66> firefox crashed but it doesn't want to close, even by terminating the task
L46[11:10:46] <ff​_66> my computer froze
L47[11:12:43] <ff​_66> because of firefox
L48[11:12:57] <ff​_66> i think i'll change the drivers and see
L49[12:19:00] <ff​_66> ok so it seems that i have to disable hardware acceleration to make it stable, but it becomes awfully slow for some sites
L50[13:02:55] <Forec​aster> %sip
L51[13:02:56] <MichiBot> You drink a rather oculemon potion (New!). A voice whispers a secret into Forecaster's ear only they can hear.
L52[13:04:00] <Va​ur> %sip
L53[13:04:00] <MichiBot> You drink a searing aqua potion (New!). Vaur: Nothing seemed to happen...
L54[15:28:00] * Amanda meows and looks around for where she left the potion flinger
L55[15:28:20] <Forec​aster> There is no such thing D:
L56[15:29:02] <Amanda> Oh there it is, it's status led made Elfi think it was lamp, so she stole it for her collection. %splash @Forecaster with mutable gold potion
L57[15:29:02] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable gold potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a golem girl for 5 hours.
L58[15:29:35] * Amanda puts it back in Elfi's collection for now
L59[15:34:22] <Elfi> %splash @Forecaster
L60[15:34:22] <MichiBot> You fling a light currentcorn potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster flinches as the potion is thrown but nothing arrives to hit them...
L61[15:34:51] <Forec​aster> D:
L62[15:37:59] * Amanda meows good meowning to Elfi, offers her some iced coffee
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L64[15:39:59] <Amanda> %choose does chat count as web?
L65[15:39:59] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I don't think I've heard of "does chat count as web", so probably not.
L66[15:40:07] <Amanda> HRm
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L68[15:53:56] <Corded> > <ff​_66> the forum doesn't anymore because of an SSL cert
L69[15:53:56] <Liizzi​i-chan> fixed, idk why the crontab wasn't running
L70[15:54:28] <ff​_66> i confirm, this works again
L71[16:21:15] <Va​ur> %tonk
L72[16:21:15] <MichiBot> Boom! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 6 hours, 55 minutes and 50 seconds (By 56 minutes and 13 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L73[16:21:16] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 7 hours, 52 minutes and 4 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00658 (0.00094 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3 => #2. (Overtook Forecaster) Need 0.05789816 more points to pass Spider ​EveryOS!
L74[16:38:38] <Va​ur> %sip
L75[16:38:38] <MichiBot> You drink a diluted mithril potion (New!). Vaur's skin turn the color of grathnode until they find a pecan pie.
L76[16:47:20] * Amanda offers Elfi some hashbrowns as well
L77[16:50:37] <Va​ur> %sip
L78[16:50:37] <MichiBot> You drink a robust bavarium potion (New!). After drinking the potion Vaur notices a label that says "Side effects may include giggle fits and excessive monologuing."
L79[16:51:24] <ff​_66> we should maybe mute vaur before he starts speaking
L80[16:51:43] <Liizzi​i-chan> <:blobcatglare:362554149595906048>
L81[16:52:06] * Amanda offers some to Liizzii as well
L82[16:52:18] <Va​ur> what's that ? .... hihihi, ff_66 wants to mute me ? ohohoh 😄
L83[16:52:41] <ff​_66> just prevention
L84[16:52:43] <Liizzi​i-chan> _accepts Amanda's offerings_
L85[16:54:56] <Amanda> Rather, hashbrown futures, as they're still in the oven
L86[16:58:24] <Amanda> And they just popped. _nomnomnom_
L87[16:58:42] <Liizzi​i-chan> eh, wibbly wobbly timey wimey
L88[17:00:30] <Forec​aster> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722358830615.jpg
L89[17:00:45] <Forec​aster> Bit of an oopsie
L90[17:25:46] <ff​_66> that's why you shouldn't use google
L91[17:27:57] <Forec​aster> ~~google~~ any service
L92[17:29:08] <Mic​hiyo> ~~any service~~ computers.
L93[17:35:12] <ff​_66> if we shouldn't use computers, why does opencomputers exists ?
L94[17:35:38] <Mic​hiyo> All omputers, even virtual ones are a mistake.
L95[17:35:47] <Forec​aster> the heretics created it as a way to mislead the people
L96[17:35:50] <Mic​hiyo> They are an affront to the old ones.
L97[17:36:11] <Mic​hiyo> * computers, even virtual ones are a mistake.
L98[17:36:38] <ff​_66> well, if you want 1 ton computers which fit in a 30 m³ room...
L99[17:36:52] <Liizzi​i-chan> teaching sand to think was a mistake
L100[17:36:58] <Mic​hiyo> ^ 100%
L101[17:37:17] <ff​_66> so credit card are a mistake ?
L102[17:37:20] <Corded> > <ff​_66> well, if you want 1 ton computers which fit in a 30 m³ room…
L103[17:37:20] <Mic​hiyo> No, all computers were a mistake.
L104[17:37:22] <Mic​hiyo> Yes
L105[17:37:34] <ff​_66> * cards are a mistake ?
L106[17:38:24] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> No, all computers were a mistake.
L107[17:38:24] <ff​_66> cryptos are also a mistake
L108[17:39:01] <ff​_66> especially if you've seen the latest numbers about power consuption of miners
L109[17:39:07] <Forec​aster> technically you don't need computers for that do you
L110[17:39:13] <Forec​aster> just some elbow grease
L111[17:39:22] <Forec​aster> and a lotta numbers
L112[17:40:08] <ff​_66> wait, if teaching sand to think is a mistake : are calculators a mistake ?
L113[17:40:08] <Amanda> Cryptocoins and "AI" are definately both mistakes, but ones enabled by the mistake of teaching sand to think
L114[17:40:48] <Corded> > <ff​_66> wait, if teaching sand to think is a mistake : are calculat…
L115[17:40:48] <Mic​hiyo> Calculators are allowed, as long as they are mechanical, or at worst electro mechanical.
L116[17:41:31] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> Cryptocoins and "AI" are definately both mistakes, but ones…
L117[17:41:31] <ff​_66> AIs aren't even artificial intelligence, they are natural dumb programs
L118[17:41:44] <Amanda> Why do you think I put it in quotes?
L119[17:41:51] <Mic​hiyo> Right, I think that was the impli... that. :P
L120[17:42:12] <Liizzi​i-chan> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722361332778.png
L121[17:43:05] <ff​_66> chatGPT is now starting to be dumb again, and thousands of people are now dumb because of it
L122[17:43:28] <Mic​hiyo> "starting", "again"?
L123[17:43:34] <Forec​aster> I don't think peoples intelligence has changed because of that
L124[17:43:49] <Mic​hiyo> Oh, and "because of it"
L125[17:43:54] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> I don't think peoples intelligence has changed because of t…
L126[17:43:54] <ff​_66> you're right, it changed because of google
L127[17:44:41] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> "starting", "again"?
L128[17:44:41] <ff​_66> i mean, it could retrieve useful infos before, but now it is completely useless
L129[17:44:51] <ff​_66> more than google
L130[17:53:38] <Amanda> ... the hell are these go tests doing that they've been running for so long
L131[17:53:59] <Forec​aster> stealing all your bytes
L132[17:55:19] <ff​_66> one minute : if we live in a simulation ran by a computer, are we a mistake because the computer is ?
L133[17:55:37] <Forec​aster> that's a big if
L134[17:56:06] <Mic​hiyo> So is this
L135[17:56:08] <Mic​hiyo> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722362168387.jpg
L136[18:03:52] <Forec​aster> And this is a bi gif:
L137[18:03:57] <Forec​aster> https://tenor.com/view/heartstopper-s2-season-2-nick-nick-nelson-gif-6330400790583557609
L138[18:06:47] <Neon​volt> https://paste.pc-logix.com/boliwosesu
L139[18:07:54] <Neon​volt> And yeah, I get this in game:
L140[18:07:54] <Neon​volt> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/407165718162046977/1267557740197449788/image.png?ex=66a9e163&is=66a88fe3&hm=f98cb949b4f876a02791eb8f7499df74cb9761fd14b3d1a4707e7db0a7e59282&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
L141[18:18:25] <ff​_66> can you tell me details about the JVM ?
L142[18:19:18] <ff​_66> and basically tell me more details about everything ?
L143[18:26:15] <Ocawes​ome101> @Neonvolt what java version? what CPU architecture? Windows 7 or 10 or 11?
L144[18:32:07] <ff​_66> yes maybe its arm
L145[18:32:43] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> And this is a bi gif:
L146[18:32:43] <ff​_66> POV : you have autocorrect enabled : https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722364362895.png
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L149[18:39:11] <Neon​volt> Win 10 x64
L150[18:39:11] <Neon​volt> running on jre1.8.0_261 @Ocawesome101 @ff_66
L151[18:39:58] <Ocawes​ome101> huh
L152[18:40:12] <Ocawes​ome101> try updating java? iirc u381 or so is latest for openjdk 8
L153[18:40:18] <ff​_66> so thats X86_64 architecture, right ?
L154[18:40:23] <Corded> > <ff​_66> so thats X86_64 architecture, right ?
L155[18:40:24] <Neon​volt> yeah
L156[18:40:59] <ff​_66> can you send the entire log pls ?
L157[18:41:06] <Neon​volt> Sure thing.
L158[18:42:22] <Neon​volt> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722364942443.log
L159[18:44:21] <Neon​volt> For some reason
L160[18:44:21] <Neon​volt> `Java is Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM, version 1.8.0_261, running on Windows 10:x86:10.0` instead of x64-86
L161[18:44:21] <Neon​volt> Could be the problem?
L162[18:44:42] <Neon​volt> * x86-64
L163[18:44:42] <Corded> Could be the problem?
L164[18:44:51] <ff​_66> you're running an x86 java
L165[18:45:00] <Neon​volt> Goddamn...
L166[18:45:08] <ff​_66> use an x64 java
L167[18:45:18] <ff​_66> i already got that problem
L168[18:45:26] <Neon​volt> When you asked about JVM I started to get concerns that something wasn't right with it.
L169[18:45:48] <ff​_66> oh wait you're on x86 windows not x86_64
L170[18:46:06] <ff​_66> so it should be also the wrong natives then
L171[18:47:33] <ff​_66> and it is a dedicated server ?
L172[18:47:57] <Lizzy> unsure if Java is reporting the system as being 32bit cause it's running in 32bit mode or something else, but if you have more than 4GB of ram, you're deffo running a 64bit version of windows and should probably grab the 64bit java
L173[18:52:18] <ff​_66> and with 32 bit java you can have some really weird behavior with the -Xmx option, even under 4GB
L174[18:53:15] <ff​_66> BUT it allows you to consume way less ram than 64-bit JVM so you can work on 400MB RAM easily
L175[18:53:27] <ff​_66> (don't do this)
L176[18:58:07] <ff​_66> (already done that and i got awful frame rates on *decent* computers)
L177[18:58:38] <ff​_66> but wait why is it a dedicated server on a thumb drive ?
L178[18:59:59] <Lizzy> just because a drive letter isn't C: doesn't mean it's not another hard drive in the system
L179[19:00:52] <ff​_66> yes but 3 hard drives is where it's starting to be a lot
L180[19:01:19] <ff​_66> like ok 2 is fine because one for the system and one for everything else but 3...
L181[19:01:25] <Lizzy> debatable
L182[19:01:32] <Forec​aster> that's a matter of perspective
L183[19:01:45] <Lizzy> also CD/DVD drives are still a thing
L184[19:01:49] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/xIP84nlaMyIxNBRvRdixY56QRl5xxn5ZGeUv7RCU/7ebe7070-6f63-4a61-a6d4-6f5b79aa1653.png
L185[19:01:50] <Lizzy> sometimes
L186[19:01:53] <Forec​aster> I have four in my media server
L187[19:02:09] <Amanda> They did say this was a windows server earlier, it could very well also serve as a file server or media server
L188[19:02:11] <lunar_sam> laughs in 4 SATA drives, an NVMe drive, and a bluray drive
L189[19:02:29] <lunar_sam> (this is my normal computer)
L190[19:03:14] <Liizzi​i-chan> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722366194049.png
L191[19:03:57] <Ocawes​ome101> i have one NVMe drive and one 500gb HDD that mostly just has my old home directory on it
L192[19:04:24] <Forec​aster> (4 not including the main OS drive)
L193[19:05:30] <Ocawes​ome101> lizzii: i have never seen it go up to sdn before. wow.
L194[19:05:47] <Liizzi​i-chan> that's a `h`h
L195[19:05:48] <Liizzi​i-chan> * `h`
L196[19:06:11] <Ocawes​ome101> oh i thought the gap seemed big lmao
L197[19:06:27] <Ocawes​ome101> still i think i've seen up to maybe sde
L198[19:06:28] <lunar_sam> wew
L199[19:06:42] <lunar_sam> i used to have a lot of drives
L200[19:06:51] <Lizzy> oh wait, that wasn't even all of them
L201[19:07:03] <lunar_sam> cut down on the number because i couldn't fit them all in my case
L202[19:07:13] <lunar_sam> though now that i have a 3D printer, i could fix that...
L203[19:07:23] <Amanda> TIL about lsblk
L204[19:07:29] <Ocawes​ome101> 3d printing stronk
L205[19:07:47] <Ocawes​ome101> i've made all kinds of one off shit
L206[19:09:05] <lunar_sam> i need to make 3D scans of my case so i can make a nice cooling shroud
L207[19:09:19] <lunar_sam> though i should probably get PETG if i do that
L208[19:10:48] <Liizzi​i-chan> https://paste.pc-logix.com/mubuyezoci https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722366648097.png
L209[19:11:15] <Liizzi​i-chan> all crammed into a home theatre PC case
L210[19:12:48] <Corded> > <ff​_66> oh wait you're on x86 windows not x86_64
L211[19:12:49] <Neon​volt> I am on x64, my Java was x64 too (I just updated it to the latest version, gonna test it) https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1722366768680.png
L212[19:13:53] <Lizzy> do you have the 32bit java installed? if so, might be best to uninstall it cause i'm wondering if it's defaulting to it for whatever reason
L213[19:14:16] <ff​_66> personally i have one HDD, one SSD, one DVD drive,~~ one floppy drive~~ a lonely disconnected drive (LDD), and a thumb drive in case i want to ~~hack~~ recover my PC
L214[19:14:16] <Forec​aster> also what client are you using?
L215[19:15:08] <Corded> > <Li​zzy> do you have the 32bit java installed? if so, might be best …
L216[19:15:08] <ff​_66> already had that because java says there's an update but it installs the 32-bit version instead of the 64-bit version
L217[19:15:29] <ff​_66> java 7 ???
L218[19:16:50] <ff​_66> huh, maybe it's time to use java 8
L219[19:17:03] <ff​_66> especially for 1.12.2
L220[19:17:22] <ff​_66> because 1.12 is the first version requiring java 8
L221[19:17:31] <Corded> > <Li​zzy> do you have the 32bit java installed? if so, might be best …
L222[19:17:32] <Neon​volt> https://paste.pc-logix.com/izuwigezah
L223[19:17:59] <ff​_66> we don't se if its 64 bit or 32 bit
L224[19:17:59] <Va​ur> %sip
L225[19:17:59] <MichiBot> You drink a shaky octiron potion (New!). Vaur gets a sudden Spice infusion. Vaur can see the universe. [Spice Addiction +1]
L226[19:18:07] <ff​_66> * see if its 64 bit or 32 bit
L227[19:19:15] <Corded> > <ff​_66> we don't see if its 64 bit or 32 bit
L228[19:19:15] <Neon​volt> I ran `java -version`, idk why it wouldn't show that..
L229[19:21:00] <ff​_66> https://paste.pc-logix.com/tumuwoseyu
L230[19:21:40] <ff​_66> i don't know why your's isn't showing
L231[19:21:58] <Neon​volt> Okay, maybe autoinstaller messed something up. I'll look for actual x64 Java
L232[19:22:13] <Liizzi​i-chan> might be something that versions newer than 8 started including in the output
L233[19:22:29] <Corded> > <Lii​zzii> might be something that versions newer than 8 started inclu…
L234[19:22:29] <ff​_66> both are version 1.8
L235[19:22:46] <Corded> > <ff​_66> both are version 1.8
L236[19:22:46] <Liizzi​i-chan> yours says 17
L237[19:22:54] <ff​_66> ah yes
L238[19:23:04] <ff​_66> lemme check my java 1.8
L239[19:24:10] <Liizzi​i-chan> or maybe it's a linux thing
L240[19:24:32] <Liizzi​i-chan> just checked java 8 on my laptop and it lists the architecture, but that is openjdk tho
L241[19:24:47] <Liizzi​i-chan> probably openjdk doing something different
L242[19:25:26] <ff​_66> https://paste.pc-logix.com/zuwabuzifo
L243[19:25:34] <ff​_66> it show
L244[19:25:50] <ff​_66> * shows the architecture
L245[19:28:33] <Liizzi​i-chan> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L246[19:29:05] <ff​_66> maybe make a screenshot of the settings app in the "About this PC" section
L247[19:30:41] <ff​_66> and don't rely on java for displaying that info
L248[19:31:09] <ff​_66> or at least tell me which processor is it running on
L249[19:35:14] <Neon​volt> https://paste.pc-logix.com/moqasasami
L250[19:36:33] <ff​_66> maybe it was the fact that 32-bit windows != 64-bit windows and that 32-bit java can't load 64-bit natives
L251[20:05:27] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime?
L252[20:05:27] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Why would you do that when you could do something else instead?
L253[20:05:36] <Amanda> Something else like...
L254[20:05:57] <Forec​aster> naptimelaptop
L255[20:06:02] <Amanda> Sounds good
L256[20:06:13] * Amanda flops down around elfi, lets her naptime have a laptop
L257[20:17:00] ⇦ Quits: tehbeard (~tehesper@66.228.139.228) (Ping timeout: 207 seconds)
L258[20:18:48] ⇨ Joins: tehbeard (~tehesper@66.228.139.228)
L259[20:57:52] <Forec​aster> who knew, the Hellhound vehicle was not great in a streetrace...
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