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L1[00:32:36] <Corded> > <Z0id​burg> .. Where is all of the line spacing? This is so cramped and…
L2[00:32:36] <PewPew​Cricket> Spacing is for cowards
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L4[01:29:50] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> Spacing is for cowards
L5[01:29:50] <S​3> You're fired.
L6[02:22:07] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> why isnt this aligning 😭
L7[02:22:08] <Ocawes​ome101> couple things. it's not aligning because of scrolling, as hawk777 said.
L8[02:22:19] <Ocawes​ome101> 1) `for i=16, 1, -1 do` is clearer than your `while` loop
L9[02:22:25] <Ocawes​ome101> 2) `flagBit == true` is redundant, you can just do `if flagBit then`
L10[02:22:28] <Ocawes​ome101> 3) using `io.write(string.format("%d\t%d\t%d\t%d\t", i, start, last, partType))` will make it so you don't need to call `term`
L11[02:22:31] <lunar_sam> thinking about it, i don't think i have room in ziptie for yet another partition table format
L12[02:22:54] <Ocawes​ome101> + AND will fix your scrolling woes
L13[02:23:11] <Ocawes​ome101> .s/scrolling/scrolling-related
L14[02:23:22] <Redston​eParkour> you can specify a width when using string.format
L15[02:23:45] <Redston​eParkour> and tell it to pad with spaces
L16[02:24:02] <Ocawes​ome101> oh yeah, i was going for 1:1 and forgot about that lmao
L17[02:24:03] <lunar_sam> well, i don't have room for one that takes any extra effort vs OSDI and MTPT
L18[02:24:15] <lunar_sam> since i can just reuse the code in a mildly cursed way
L19[02:24:38] <lunar_sam> https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/ziptie/blob/master/src/parts.lua
L20[02:25:01] <Ocawes​ome101> so, addendum, `string.format("%2d%10d%10d%10d\t", i, start, last, partType)` is equally valid and doesn't depend on tabs working :p
L21[02:25:18] <lunar_sam> i might add an active flag check Soon(tm)
L22[02:26:06] <lunar_sam> but w/e
L23[02:26:40] <lunar_sam> i also wanna Eventually(tm) get an example software package running off of an unmanaged disk
L24[02:26:46] <lunar_sam> ...probably just a custom build of psychos
L25[02:27:01] <lunar_sam> Izzy: update repo when, unless it actually is latest
L26[02:27:16] <Redston​eParkour> what if you add back references to lzss?
L27[02:27:30] <lunar_sam> hmm?
L28[02:27:55] <Redston​eParkour> as in: first decompress with lzss, then resolve backreferences
L29[02:28:27] <lunar_sam> i'm still not following
L30[02:28:33] <Redston​eParkour> alr
L31[02:28:53] <lunar_sam> if you mean compressing by referencing something previous in the source data, that's how LZSS works
L32[02:29:09] <Redston​eParkour> oh
L33[02:29:31] <lunar_sam> that's why i can have a tiny LZSS decompressor
L34[02:29:52] <lunar_sam> and because it's only like 254(?) bytes, i use it all the time
L35[02:30:00] <Redston​eParkour> yeah thought it was a huffman-like compression algorithm
L36[02:31:30] <Redston​eParkour> also you can save a few bytes by moving `h=c.sub` to line 1
L37[02:31:41] <Redston​eParkour> (1 byte)
L38[02:32:32] <Redston​eParkour> and there's an unneeded space on the last line
L39[02:34:30] <Va​ur> %tonk
L40[02:34:31] <MichiBot> Dagnammit! Va​ur! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of 3 hours, 29 minutes and 14 seconds (By 1 hour, 54 minutes and 25 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
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L42[03:07:28] <Ocawes​ome101> installing ulos 2 in opencomputers on 1.16
L43[03:07:30] <Ocawes​ome101> so far it's working :)
L44[03:25:22] <PewPew​Cricket> i dont think its working (i used gzip to decompress the bin file) https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721618721436.png https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721618721607.png
L45[03:28:37] <PewPew​Cricket> i thinks its an issue with the writer function https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721618917016.png
L46[03:31:39] <lunar_sam> i need to add more partition types to my fdisk
L47[03:32:12] <lunar_sam> also i'm probably just gonna have fennec boot from a cpio written to a partition until i make a decent FS driver
L48[03:33:39] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> i dont think its working (i used gzip to decompress the bin…
L49[03:33:39] <Ocawes​ome101> i think it is
L50[03:33:59] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> i think it is
L51[03:33:59] <PewPew​Cricket> the first 32 bytes should be nothing
L52[03:34:10] <Ocawes​ome101> why?
L53[03:35:26] <Ocawes​ome101> where's your spec so i can look at it? @PewPewCricket
L54[03:35:30] <lunar_sam> @Ocawesome101 what partition types do you want me to add for ULOS 2 :v
L55[03:35:44] <Ocawes​ome101> let me look at how it installs rq
L56[03:36:06] <Izzy> lunar_sam: PsychOS is current, and can boot from rtfs on MTPT disks
L57[03:36:57] <Ocawes​ome101> lunar_sam: should just be type `SIMPLEFS`
L58[03:37:15] <lunar_sam> nothing special to mark a ULOS root? aight
L59[03:37:52] <Ocawes​ome101> nope, as long as the bootloader can either chainload `cldr` or read directly from a simplefs volume, it's good
L60[03:38:00] <Izzy> actually, I say "can boot" the kernel will mount a correctly named rtfs partition as the /boot filesystem
L61[03:39:09] <Izzy> assuming it's built with mtpt and rtfs support, anyway
L62[03:39:41] <PewPew​Cricket> whar https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721619580345.png https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721619580629.png
L63[03:40:34] <Corded> > <Ocawes​ome101> where's your spec so i can look at it? @PewPewCricket
L64[03:40:34] <PewPew​Cricket> its a WIP https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721619633660.pdf
L65[03:42:18] <lunar_sam> gonna have to add simplefs, vxboot boot partition (`VelxBoot`, `vxbp`), stuff for fennec and tsuki, and stuff for a new zorya Thing
L66[03:42:36] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> whar
L67[03:42:36] <Ocawes​ome101> read the docs carefully
L68[03:42:40] <Ocawes​ome101> `Xop` not `Xn`
L69[03:42:52] <PewPew​Cricket> tf do i put in op
L70[03:43:02] <Ocawes​ome101> another pack option
L71[03:43:06] <Ocawes​ome101> e.g. `Xc32` gives you empty 32 bytes
L72[03:43:21] <Ocawes​ome101> because `X` (align) according to `c32` (32 byte string)
L73[03:43:53] <PewPew​Cricket> Xc30 did this https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721619833266.png
L74[03:44:08] <Ocawes​ome101> ah clearly `c` is not a good example
L75[03:44:19] <PewPew​Cricket> I?
L76[03:44:21] <PewPew​Cricket> or i?
L77[03:44:25] <Ocawes​ome101> those will work
L78[03:44:49] <Ocawes​ome101> but they only go up to `I16` so you may as well just add a `c16` for your volume label and then do an `XI14` or something
L79[03:45:50] <Ocawes​ome101> or put in a `c14` and ignore it
L80[03:49:16] <Izzy> no partition names huh?
L81[03:50:42] <PewPew​Cricket> the ID can be determined by its position in the table
L82[03:50:50] <lunar_sam> OSDI has partition labels :p
L83[03:50:53] <PewPew​Cricket> but yes no names
L84[03:51:11] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> OSDI has partition labels :p
L85[03:51:11] <PewPew​Cricket> im making mine simple as can be
L86[03:52:04] <PewPew​Cricket> and its still buggy
L87[03:52:05] <PewPew​Cricket> cool
L88[03:52:56] <lunar_sam> ~the S is supposed to stand for Simple~
L89[03:53:11] <PewPew​Cricket> simpler
L90[03:53:14] <PewPew​Cricket> :3
L91[03:55:41] <lunar_sam> i mean, the simplest you can get is a sector that's just a list of partition info with some indicator of allocation
L92[03:56:22] <lunar_sam> OSDI uses a type field full of nulls to specify an unallocated partition table entry, MTPT uses a label field full of nulls
L93[03:58:29] <PewPew​Cricket> so the string isnt uh... in the correct spot https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721620709405.png
L94[03:58:41] <PewPew​Cricket> the highlighted spot is where it should be
L95[03:59:04] <PewPew​Cricket> everything just seems to be random spots?
L96[03:59:25] <PewPew​Cricket> well the signature bits are right
L97[03:59:31] <PewPew​Cricket> thats uh... it
L98[04:04:40] <PewPew​Cricket> so maybe osdi isnt that bad
L99[04:04:47] <PewPew​Cricket> im tired of this
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L101[04:06:40] <PewPew​Cricket> lunar_sam can you link your fdisk
L102[04:06:45] <PewPew​Cricket> ill just do EEPROM for osdi
L103[04:06:49] <PewPew​Cricket> im done
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L105[04:10:54] <lunar_sam> https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/oc-utils/blob/master/OpenOS/fdisk.lua
L106[04:11:30] <lunar_sam> iirc there's still a bug with labels if they're too long but don't quote me
L107[04:16:49] <lunar_sam> oh it's because i forgot to cut the name off for the disk label
L108[04:21:13] <PewPew​Cricket> how do i set flags
L109[04:21:57] <lunar_sam> i didn't implement that yet because ziptie doesn't check the flags yet
L110[04:22:27] <lunar_sam> was gonna do that when i got home
L111[04:22:56] <lunar_sam> and add flag setting
L112[04:23:24] <PewPew​Cricket> flags should be set by individual bits for easy reading imo
L113[04:23:49] <lunar_sam> that's kinda the plan
L114[04:24:03] <PewPew​Cricket> :D
L115[04:24:17] <PewPew​Cricket> so uh
L116[04:24:26] <PewPew​Cricket> how does oc gzip the unmanaged drives
L117[04:24:29] <PewPew​Cricket> what exact args
L118[04:24:31] <lunar_sam> though you'll have to set the user bits manually so w/e
L119[04:28:11] <PewPew​Cricket> how would i set the active flag https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721622491364.png
L120[04:28:12] <PewPew​Cricket> here
L121[04:28:29] <PewPew​Cricket> nvm
L122[04:31:02] <PewPew​Cricket> how can i recompress this and put it back in the saves folder https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721622662078.png
L123[04:31:12] <PewPew​Cricket> idk what args oc uses for gzip
L124[04:32:37] <Forec​aster> Check the source
L125[04:32:59] <PewPew​Cricket> Where do I check
L126[04:33:05] <PewPew​Cricket> I do t know where to begin
L127[04:33:11] <PewPew​Cricket> * dont know where to begin
L128[04:33:20] <Forec​aster> Unlikely that anyone is going to know that off the top of their head
L129[04:34:00] <PewPew​Cricket> Where would it be located do you think?
L130[04:34:03] <PewPew​Cricket> I have no idea
L131[04:34:05] <PewPew​Cricket> Where to start
L132[04:34:53] <lunar_sam> w-what
L133[04:35:06] <Forec​aster> Maybe look up how gzip is used in Java/scala then search for that
L134[04:35:12] <lunar_sam> just image it and upload it so something like catbox or w/e
L135[04:35:21] <lunar_sam> and then dl it and write it
L136[04:35:27] <lunar_sam> i should make a script for that
L137[04:35:36] <lunar_sam> or 0x0.st
L138[04:35:57] <lunar_sam> anyways i gotta get to work
L139[04:36:21] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> just image it and upload it so something like catbox or w/e
L140[04:36:22] <PewPew​Cricket> ?
L141[04:36:49] <lunar_sam> i just realized there'd be nowhere to store the image lmao
L142[04:39:06] <PewPew​Cricket> how do i search through all code on a gh repo
L143[04:39:12] <PewPew​Cricket> im not opening each file
L144[04:39:15] <PewPew​Cricket> id rathe die
L145[04:40:19] <lunar_sam> note to self, more coreutils needed
L146[04:40:49] <lunar_sam> might make my own, better argument parser if i make a coreutils package
L147[04:44:17] <PewPew​Cricket> i cant find this
L148[04:44:25] <PewPew​Cricket> i hate github
L149[04:46:25] <PewPew​Cricket> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/ad76e2a54a9d7f9fdede851b2491972641b71f8f/src/main/scala/li/cil/oc/server/component/Drive.scala#L7
L150[04:46:28] <PewPew​Cricket> i think its here
L151[04:48:02] <PewPew​Cricket> but i cant find out what options this means i should use
L152[04:48:04] <PewPew​Cricket> :(
L153[04:49:31] <Izzy> PewPewCricket: the ... search box? at the top of the page?
L154[04:51:06] <PewPew​Cricket> It's hard to use
L155[04:51:30] <PewPew​Cricket> I found the file that does the drive api and it has gzip stuff in it
L156[04:53:04] <PewPew​Cricket> Idk what to do now tho
L157[04:59:37] <Forec​aster> ...
L158[06:19:00] <Kil​o-07> Can I get an invite link for a friend?
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L161[06:36:33] <Izzy> irc.esper.net:6667 #oc
L162[06:41:14] <nadja> Izzy, no.
L163[06:55:06] <Forec​aster> @Kilo-07 it's in the topic
L164[07:12:30] <Izzy> oh, true, that's not a link at all. ircs://irc.espernet:6697/oc
L165[07:12:33] <Izzy> :p
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L183[09:02:29] <Va​ur> %sip
L184[09:02:30] <MichiBot> You drink a serif-only apple potion (New!). A bard behind Vaur suddenly stops playing. They were most likely eaten by a monster.
L185[09:28:45] <ff​_66> hi
L186[09:44:41] <ff​_66> anything new today ?
L187[10:05:59] <ff​_66> i found the way to avoid mitm attacks even with non-oc hackers
L188[10:06:21] <ff​_66> the solution is SSL self-signed certificates
L189[10:07:14] <ff​_66> the public key used to verify the signature can be stored in the eeprom and thus the authenticity can be verified
L190[10:07:51] <lunar_sam> uh huh
L191[10:08:46] <lunar_sam> do you have a way to prevent people from just
L192[10:08:53] <lunar_sam> overwriting the EEPROM
L193[10:09:25] <ff​_66> read-only eeprom ?
L194[10:09:39] <ff​_66> and the firmware extension can be updated
L195[10:10:11] <ff​_66> but it means the certificate has to be valid for an infinite amount of time
L196[10:10:34] <ff​_66> which is impossible but i can make it last 10 years
L197[10:19:42] <fingercomp> at this point I've lost track of what exactly you're trying to achieve with this, but I'm rather sure you don't need DER-encoded X.509 certificates even if they can solve the problem
L198[10:20:46] <fingercomp> people only use them because they are standardized and thus interoperable, not because it's the best format for carrying signed identity information
L199[10:21:39] <lunar_sam> and what if someone somehow gets your private key, also how are you going to _store_ that public key
L200[10:22:30] <Corded> > <finge​rcomp> people only use them because they are standardized and thus…
L201[10:22:31] <ff​_66> i don't need the exact same form of certificate, i only need a signature and some other infos
L202[10:23:02] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> and what if someone somehow gets your private key, also how…
L203[10:23:02] <ff​_66> 1. TPM chip
L204[10:23:03] <ff​_66> 2. Read only eeprom
L205[10:24:19] <Corded> > <finge​rcomp> at this point I've lost track of what exactly you're trying…
L206[10:24:19] <ff​_66> I need to make the most secure system, and because i can't store the private key in the eeprom, i need to store it in a server
L207[10:24:51] <ff​_66> and i need a way to verify the authenticity of the server
L208[10:25:08] <fingercomp> just run the whole system on the server then
L209[10:25:28] <fingercomp> send key presses and mouse events to the server; receive and draw graphics data
L210[10:26:04] <ff​_66> thats cloud computing bro
L211[10:27:34] <ff​_66> bitlocker exists on real computers, that means i can do it in an oc computer, by emulating what a tpm chip does
L212[10:31:09] <Corded> > <finge​rcomp> send key presses and mouse events to the server; receive an…
L213[10:31:09] <ff​_66> and this is called a screen and a keyboard
L214[10:32:12] <ff​_66> and it doesn't mean it is secure because then i would need to verify the authenticity of the "screen" and of the "keyboard"
L215[10:33:19] <ff​_66> which is harder without a CA
L216[10:34:10] <ff​_66> because anyone can make in this config a self signed kinda-SSL certificate
L217[10:36:06] <ff​_66> but making that os public would demonstrate the security of it
L218[10:36:49] <fingercomp> IIRC, you were looking for a way to authenticate a client that involves no user interaction (so no asking passwords) and isn't susceptible to impersonation, all the while having no equivalent of an unforgeable authentication token
L219[10:37:05] <fingercomp> which is impossible
L220[10:37:23] <fingercomp> and making the EEPROM read-only doesn't prevent you from cloning it
L221[10:37:38] <fingercomp> like, insert into another computer running OpenOS, read the data and flash onto a different EEPROM
L222[10:37:58] <fingercomp> possibly modify it so that it appears to retain the same address to the rest of the program
L223[10:38:58] <ff​_66> the system would assign to private keys, one for decrypting all the files, and another for decrypting LUA files, and that private key is bound to the eeprom
L224[10:39:11] <ff​_66> just not stored on it
L225[10:39:28] <ff​_66> * two private keys, one for decrypting all the files, and another for decrypting LUA files, and that private key is bound to the eeprom
L226[10:39:55] <ff​_66> tht prevents cloning
L227[10:40:14] <ff​_66> you don't only need a copy, but the exact same eeprom
L228[10:40:27] <Na​dja> If it's bound to the EEPROM, how can I not just extract it when I have the EEPROM?
L229[10:40:35] <ff​_66> which is not possible to make without modifying the save or the mod
L230[10:40:53] <Corded> > <na​dja> If it's bound to the EEPROM, how can I not just extract it …
L231[10:40:53] <ff​_66> it is bound to its address
L232[10:41:11] <ff​_66> the computer send the addres and gets the private key
L233[10:41:26] <Na​dja> So? I can look up the address, how am I prevented from sending that address from a different computer?
L234[10:41:31] <ff​_66> and i can even disable it remotely thanks to the server
L235[10:43:48] <ff​_66> i dunno... maybe another cert stored on the computer where the actual private key is deleted ?
L236[10:44:17] <ff​_66> so only the cert remain, and a copy of the cert is made on the server
L237[10:44:36] <ff​_66> with the private key there
L238[10:44:46] <ff​_66> so basically the server is the CA
L239[10:45:01] <fingercomp> so far I believe you're approaching cryptographic problems existentially, by which I mean you only ensure the happy path works, whereas security (or correctness for that matter) is a universal property: *all* execution paths must preserve it
L240[10:45:32] <fingercomp> this means you have to look for counterexamples that invalidate the propety, i.e. attacks, which so far you haven't been doing
L241[10:46:24] <fingercomp> making a cryptographic system more complicated does not make it secure, just harder to verify
L242[10:46:48] <ff​_66> so then find them and i will answer, it is easier when other find them because you don't see them when you're doing it yourself because you are auto-validating your own theory
L243[10:47:10] <Na​dja> technically for cryptographic security you need to prove that the easiest attack is the brute force attack for it to not count as "broken", but what fingercomp said is definitely the right start.
L244[10:47:11] <Corded> > <finge​rcomp> making a cryptographic system more complicated does not mak…
L245[10:47:11] <ff​_66> harder to verify litterally = more secure
L246[10:47:22] <Corded> > <ff​_66> harder to verify litterally = more secure
L247[10:47:23] <Na​dja> oh *fuck* no.
L248[10:48:06] <Na​dja> The most secure encryption system is OTP XOR because it's trivial to verify. It's just impossible to implement practically.
L249[10:50:11] <ff​_66> even the nintendo switch got hacked, it doesn't mean it wasn't secure, but it stood several years, if i make the same durability in oc, it will **definitely** be secure since 1 or 2 years is huge when talking about minecraft
L250[10:52:13] <Amanda> If you roll your own crypto, I guarantee as soon as you post it, a bored security engineer will hack it in seconds
L251[10:53:15] <Amanda> Large, multi-national companies can't get rolling their own crypto right
L252[10:53:32] <ff​_66> an engineer which plays minecraft ? the most secure OS i ever known is fuchas, and oh hell it is buggy
L253[10:54:21] <ff​_66> and everyone knows what is mineos : no security at all, even for the password
L254[10:54:26] <Na​dja> > the most secure OS i ever known is fuchas
L255[10:54:26] <Na​dja> Have you considered that maybe your knowledge is just … *limited*?
L256[10:55:18] <ff​_66> i do, but there is today so much abandoned OSes that only 3 major remains : OpenOS, MineOS and Fuchas
L257[10:55:49] <ff​_66> and other custom oses aren't even public, so i can't test them
L258[10:57:38] <ff​_66> i'm gonna look one last time at the different oses that exist, but i ensure nearly nothing else than these even exists
L259[10:57:52] <Na​dja> I mean at that point, just skip all the crypto vodoo? You're right, nobody is trying to hack your OS so why not just skip all of that?
L260[10:58:09] <lunar_sam> i had uhhh
L261[10:58:15] <lunar_sam> code signing in zorya once
L262[10:58:19] <lunar_sam> found it pointless
L263[10:58:20] <lunar_sam> moved on
L264[10:58:25] <lunar_sam> (it was also super jank)
L265[10:59:02] <lunar_sam> i am also now home so that's nice, i just feel awful
L266[10:59:46] <Corded> > <na​dja> I mean at that point, just skip all the crypto vodoo? You'r…
L267[10:59:47] <ff​_66> still want the revenge over these "malwares" even if they aren't, and rpove "OC" and "secure" aren't incompatible
L268[11:01:00] <lunar_sam> what
L269[11:01:23] <Corded> > <ff​_66> still want the revenge over these "malwares" even if they a…
L270[11:01:23] <Na​dja> You're not making a secure OS though. You're using crypto vodoo that you don't understand to make you feel like you're building something secure when you aren't.
L271[11:03:26] <Amanda> So point of info: I believe part of nadja 's job description is working on embedded systems, so she knows a thing or two about proper security
L272[11:05:16] <Redston​eParkour> @ff_66: https://ocdoc.cil.li/computer_users
L273[11:05:23] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> So point of info: I believe part of nadja 's job descriptio…
L274[11:05:23] <ff​_66> i understand how SSL works, i even understood (kinda) how TLS roughly works, and i'm just solving problems that OC don't provide solutions, and it is not because i don't know everything that i can't make a secure OS. any os better than fuchas is more secure than the tree most popular oses for oc
L275[11:05:53] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> @ff_66: https://ocdoc.cil.li/computer_users
L276[11:05:53] <ff​_66> i already know that, but it doesn't protect against op
L277[11:05:54] <Corded> > <ff​_66> i understand how SSL works, i even understood (kinda) how T…
L278[11:05:55] <Na​dja> *Do you though?* I doubt you understand how TLS works, sorry.
L279[11:06:15] <Redston​eParkour> wait you're trying to protect against op?
L280[11:06:29] <Redston​eParkour> thats impossible
L281[11:06:36] <Corded> > <na​dja> *Do you though?* I doubt you understand how TLS works, sorr…
L282[11:06:36] <ff​_66> i know at least how the most sensible phase works, the handshake
L283[11:06:53] <Redston​eParkour> they can just take your eeprom, dump the encryption keys, and decrypt all your data
L284[11:06:57] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> wait you're trying to protect against op?
L285[11:06:58] <ff​_66> i'm trying to protect against approx. everyone
L286[11:07:04] <Forec​aster> What does protecting against op have to do with "malware"
L287[11:07:26] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> they can just take your eeprom, dump the encryption keys, a…
L288[11:07:26] <ff​_66> encrypion keys aren't decryption keys on tier 3 data cards
L289[11:07:31] <Corded> > <ff​_66> i know at least how the most sensible phase works, the hand…
L290[11:07:31] <Na​dja> Well then, how *does* it work? Please, do explain it to me! Now I wanna know :)
L291[11:07:50] <Redston​eParkour> oh yeah i meant decryption keys
L292[11:07:59] <Redston​eParkour> they have to be stored somewhere
L293[11:09:20] <Amanda> If the computer can decrypt it, anybody with local access can decrypt it. This is a universal law of crypto
L294[11:10:09] <Amanda> You can't "sandbox" away somebody with local access taking the eeprom and disk out. Or reading the mc save files
L295[11:11:50] <Redston​eParkour> unless you keep the password fully external and prevent the compurer from being persisted
L296[11:12:39] <Corded> > <na​dja> Well then, how *does* it work? Please, do explain it to me!…
L297[11:12:39] <ff​_66> https://paste.pc-logix.com/laboteqoja
L298[11:12:56] <ff​_66> is it good enough for you ?
L299[11:13:28] <ff​_66> i did take only 30 minutes to learn that
L300[11:13:44] <ff​_66> so maybe i missed 1 or 2 things
L301[11:13:53] <ff​_66> but overall...
L302[11:14:53] <Corded> > <ff​_66> 1. client establish connection with the server
L303[11:14:53] <Corded> 2. "server h…
L304[11:14:53] <Na​dja> Hmm but if that's what's transferred, if I listen in on that don't I get this premaster secret? Doesn't that sorta break the crypto and make it not a "secret" anymore?
L305[11:16:11] <Amanda> Don't say that nadja, that'll just make the poor kid dunning Kruger themselves into thinking all tls is insecure
L306[11:16:12] <ff​_66> the premaster secrets are used to make the master secret on each side and they are never transmitted, basically thats a dh protocol i think
L307[11:16:39] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> Don't say that nadja, that'll just make the poor kid dunnin…
L308[11:16:40] <ff​_66> and https since it is built on tls so goodbye online payment
L309[11:16:43] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> Don't say that nadja, that'll just make the poor kid dunnin…
L310[11:16:44] <Na​dja> *Good*
L311[11:17:45] <ff​_66> and even tls is not perfecty secure
L312[11:18:14] <ff​_66> tls 1.2 is considered not secure but in 10 years tls 1.3 will also be
L313[11:18:46] <ff​_66> thats why patches exist
L314[11:18:53] <ff​_66> and updates
L315[11:19:19] <ff​_66> if an attack is made, i'll think about *how* to fix it
L316[11:19:29] <Corded> > <ff​_66> the premaster secrets are used to make the master secret on…
L317[11:19:29] <Na​dja> Well, I mean we're talking TLS 1.2 here given that you're saying "premaster secret". So, how come I can't just sit in the middle of this handshake of yours and break it wide open? Since the premaster secret is what's made into the master secret I can just sit between the client and the server and act like the server to the client and as
L318[11:19:29] <Corded> the client to the server?
L319[11:19:43] <Redston​eParkour> wouldn't tls be as simple as client: 'hi i want tls' server: 'hi here is my pk and certs that this pk is correct' client: 'ok here is my pk (maybe encrypted with your pk)' and boom you have exchanged keys securely
L320[11:19:59] <Redston​eParkour> or am i grossly oversimplifying?
L321[11:20:03] <Forec​aster> That "if" is doing a lot of work
L322[11:20:05] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> or am i grossly oversimplifying?
L323[11:20:06] <Na​dja> **yes**
L324[11:20:15] <Corded> > <na​dja> Well, I mean we're talking TLS 1.2 here given that you're s…
L325[11:20:15] <ff​_66> hooray ! you discovered the mitm attack !
L326[11:20:25] <Redston​eParkour> alr
L327[11:20:54] <Corded> > <ff​_66> hooray ! you discovered the mitm attack !
L328[11:20:55] <Na​dja> Oh I know it's called MITM, but how does TLS 1.2 protect against it? Because I happen to know from a reliable source that it does!
L329[11:21:08] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> That "if" is doing a lot of work
L330[11:21:09] <ff​_66> nor windows nor linux nor osx has been made in 1 day
L331[11:21:43] <Forec​aster> The first one should be "neither" you know
L332[11:21:47] <ff​_66> and it takes time to find a breach
L333[11:22:03] <Forec​aster> And it seems you missed my meaning
L334[11:22:04] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> The first one should be "neither" you know
L335[11:22:04] <ff​_66> remeber i am french i'm not a perfect english
L336[11:22:40] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> The first one should be "neither" you know
L337[11:22:41] <Na​dja> Forecaster, that's bad style. Yes his english isn't perfect but he's understandable.
L338[11:22:55] <Forec​aster> Teaching people is bad?
L339[11:23:01] <ff​_66> at least now i know
L340[11:23:22] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Teaching people is bad?
L341[11:23:22] <ff​_66> bro i'm in holidays leave me alone
L342[11:23:36] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Teaching people is bad?
L343[11:23:36] <Na​dja> If you do it in that tone, yes.
L344[11:24:00] <Forec​aster> What tone?
L345[11:24:11] <Forec​aster> It's text...
L346[11:24:35] <ff​_66> so when you pronounce text you pronounce it like a TTS ?
L347[11:24:55] <Redston​eParkour> back to the topic at hand: ff_66, how will you protect against op?
L348[11:25:29] <ff​_66> you know that your hack are possible irl
L349[11:25:38] <ff​_66> * hacks are possible irl
L350[11:25:59] <Redston​eParkour> ?
L351[11:26:27] <ff​_66> i did once demonstate how to hack a pc using an usb stick
L352[11:26:38] <ff​_66> with winPE 7
L353[11:26:50] <ff​_66> basically the windows 7 setup
L354[11:27:22] <ff​_66> and it still works in 2024 on windows 11
L355[11:27:35] <Redston​eParkour> with secure boot?
L356[11:27:46] <ff​_66> disable it in bios
L357[11:28:00] <ff​_66> or add your own keys
L358[11:28:00] <Amanda> "with security?" "Turn it off"
L359[11:28:00] <Redston​eParkour> bios password
L360[11:28:18] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> bios password
L361[11:28:18] <ff​_66> remove the cmos battery and short two pins
L362[11:28:27] <ff​_66> also works
L363[11:29:08] <Redston​eParkour> the building in which the pc is in is (i hope) physically secured
L364[11:29:33] <ff​_66> you said "if you have local access"
L365[11:29:40] <Corded> > <ff​_66> remove the cmos battery and short two pins
L366[11:29:40] <Na​dja> Won't move the TPM out of enforced user mode.
L367[11:29:46] <Na​dja> So, won't disable secure boot.
L368[11:29:59] <ff​_66> irl it means physical
L369[11:30:33] <Redston​eParkour> was talking about op, so in minecraft
L370[11:31:52] <ff​_66> not gonna deal with encryption here so just remove the tpm module and reinsert it later
L371[11:32:22] <Na​dja> Then the OS can't boot because the TPM supplies the bitlocker key
L372[11:32:42] <Corded> > <na​dja> Then the OS can't boot because the TPM supplies the bitlock…
L373[11:32:42] <ff​_66> i said no encryption here for the moment
L374[11:32:45] <Na​dja> And that's not even mentioning fTPM embedded in the CPU or TPM moduled soldered in place.
L375[11:32:50] <Na​dja> * modules soldered in place.
L376[11:32:55] <Redston​eParkour> or just use an ubuntu installer; should work with secure boot
L377[11:32:58] <Corded> > <ff​_66> i said no encryption here for the moment
L378[11:32:58] <Na​dja> So … it doesn't work.
L379[11:33:09] <Corded> > <na​dja> And that's not even mentioning fTPM embedded in the CPU or …
L380[11:33:10] <ff​_66> provide you own soldering station or your own cpu
L381[11:33:40] <Redston​eParkour> this is getting involved
L382[11:33:55] <Corded> > <ff​_66> provide you own soldering station or your own cpu
L383[11:33:55] <Na​dja> Your own CPU will not provide the same bitlocker key as the one installed, so that simply does not work.
L384[11:33:58] <Corded> > <Redston​eParkour> this is getting involved
L385[11:33:58] <ff​_66> ops doesn't have limits
L386[11:34:23] <Corded> > <na​dja> Your own CPU will not provide the same bitlocker key as the…
L387[11:34:24] <ff​_66> for the moment boot on the setup on the usb drive
L388[11:34:35] <ff​_66> then shift f10
L389[11:34:38] <ff​_66> regedit
L390[11:34:42] <ff​_66> load hive
L391[11:34:43] <Redston​eParkour> waaait so your protection measure is literally taking over the server?
L392[11:35:03] <Amanda> No see, nadja, they're saying that bitlocker and all other security will be off, ask you can use this one skiddy tool they know if
L393[11:35:04] <Corded> > <ff​_66> for the moment boot on the setup on the usb drive
L394[11:35:04] <Na​dja> Soooo your attack is … livebooting a different OS? I mean, if you just want to use the PC that works I guess.
L395[11:35:19] <ff​_66> local disk > windows > system32 > config > system
L396[11:35:35] <ff​_66> then name it for example sys
L397[11:35:44] <ff​_66> HKLM > sys > setup
L398[11:35:51] <Amanda> It's easy to bypass security when ah security is off!
L399[11:35:56] <Li​ly> if a device with a bitlocker-encrypted drive is forcibly powered off (via psu switch) could you take it out and insert it into another (non-windows) system?
L400[11:35:57] <Li​ly> or is decrypted data stored in-memory
L401[11:36:05] <ff​_66> and then SysSetup in progress = 1
L402[11:36:06] <Na​dja> I mean it will work unless somebody has set up 802.1AE in the network but who would use *security* in this day and age?!
L403[11:36:14] <Amanda> s/ah/all/
L404[11:36:14] <MichiBot> <Amanda> It's easy to bypass security when all security is off!
L405[11:36:18] <ff​_66> SetupPhase = 4
L406[11:36:30] <ff​_66> OobeInProgress = 1
L407[11:36:37] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> if a device with a bitlocker-encrypted drive is forcibly po…
L408[11:36:38] <Na​dja> It's decrypted on the fly into memory, so unless you do a coldboot attack and have unencrypted RAM this isn't helping.
L409[11:36:46] <Li​ly> ah
L410[11:36:49] <ff​_66> and finally the shell to load is cmd.exe
L411[11:36:55] <ff​_66> then reboot on the os
L412[11:37:11] <ff​_66> and you have trusted installer permissions
L413[11:37:30] <Na​dja> On a livebooted OS. You can get *that* much easier :P
L414[11:37:31] <Redston​eParkour> s3 sleep and then a complicated memory preservation tactic?
L415[11:37:49] <ff​_66> which means net start lanmanworkstation
L416[11:38:02] <ff​_66> and then net user create hacker
L417[11:38:20] <Corded> > <ff​_66> and then net user create hacker
L418[11:38:20] <Na​dja> aww, you're getting cute <3
L419[11:38:29] <Na​dja> lil hacker kid :3
L420[11:38:47] <ff​_66> net user localgroup /add hacker administrator or something like tht
L421[11:38:49] <Li​ly> missing the fedora though /j
L422[11:38:49] <Na​dja> wee lad scripting his way into using the PC. It's adorable
L423[11:38:50] * Amanda curls up in nadja's lap, meows for affection too
L424[11:38:55] <Li​ly> %sip
L425[11:38:55] <MichiBot> You drink a forbidden water potion (New!). Lily is now Borg until someone stabs them.
L426[11:38:58] <ff​_66> then revert the regedit changes
L427[11:39:08] <ff​_66> and finally close the window
L428[11:39:16] <ff​_66> it will reboot the computer
L429[11:39:27] <Na​dja> _pets the wee cat in her lap_
L430[11:39:34] <Li​ly> "Forbidden water" can mean a lot of different things
L431[11:39:46] <ff​_66> i did this to grant me irl admin permissions for my demonstration
L432[11:39:56] <ff​_66> so it works
L433[11:40:05] <ff​_66> i did this several months ago
L434[11:40:09] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable ocean potion
L435[11:40:10] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable ocean potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a diamond dragon boy until they see a star fall.
L436[11:40:50] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> "Forbidden water" can mean a lot of different things
L437[11:40:51] <Li​ly> Most of them range from "not great" to "mm, radiation"
L438[11:41:10] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Most of them range from "not great" to "mm, radiation"
L439[11:41:11] <ff​_66> plutonium be like
L440[11:41:24] <The Pa​tmann💖> Alright, I've read up on the convo insofar, how exactly are we planning on preventing the server OPs from accessing your stuff?
L441[11:41:24] <Li​ly> Yummy Chernobyl water
L442[11:41:28] <Corded> > <ff​_66> i did this several months ago
L443[11:41:28] <Na​dja> aye did ya now? How cute! Amanda, can we keep him? :O
L444[11:41:54] <Amanda> I don't know, do you think he's litter box trained?
L445[11:41:57] <ff​_66> thats the BCPE discovered by endermanch you know ?
L446[11:42:27] <ff​_66> but i perfectly know how to do
L447[11:42:48] <ff​_66> just forget the encryption, you need to get rid of that first
L448[11:42:59] <Na​dja> Ah yes, draw the rest of the owl :D
L449[11:43:31] <The Pa​tmann💖> Because that's always been what seemed like an impossibility from my musings, barring something like a decryption program on the EEPROM where the decryption key is not stored locally (on the server) but instead is something you need to type in at boot-time
L450[11:44:04] <ff​_66> sure and how am i going to tell them the password ?
L451[11:44:20] <Li​ly> Have them set it themself?
L452[11:44:23] <ff​_66> they have to create a really secure one then
L453[11:44:25] <Amanda> You're "telling them the password" if you embed it in the eeprom anyway
L454[11:44:31] <The Pa​tmann💖> Right
L455[11:44:45] <Li​ly> You could store a hash in EEPROM data and compare against it
L456[11:44:50] <Corded> > <Ama​nda> You're "telling them the password" if you embed it in the e…
L457[11:44:50] <ff​_66> can generate the private key from the pasword
L458[11:45:04] <ff​_66> it is doable i think
L459[11:45:54] <The Pa​tmann💖> Ah, I wasn't even really considering passwords persay, just like, raw keys and completely encrypting the drive pre-launch. This does run into the problem of not being automatically rebootable though XD
L460[11:46:05] <Forec​aster> Amanda hey D:
L461[11:46:07] <ff​_66> but only AES keys can be made this way
L462[11:46:56] <Corded> > <The Pa​tmann💖> Ah, I wasn't even really considering passwords persay, just…
L463[11:46:56] <ff​_66> it would crash the fist second you would attempt
L464[11:47:10] <ff​_66> * first second you would attempt the wrong pass
L465[11:47:26] <The Pa​tmann💖> Which *would* prevent anyone unauthorized from accessing the stuff
L466[11:47:43] <The Pa​tmann💖> It'd also be a massive hassle to use for autonomous systems though
L467[11:47:54] <Corded> > <ff​_66> but only AES keys can be made this way
L468[11:47:55] <Na​dja> Which are the ones you want anyway
L469[11:48:25] <ff​_66> but you would need a password with like 16 characters capitals and numbers and special characters
L470[11:48:47] <ff​_66> the users are going themselves to forget
L471[11:48:48] <The Pa​tmann💖> On a semi-related note to the crypto-shenanigans, is there any way to transfer the stuff in my GPG wallet to something quicker like a Blowfish wallet? I may have done some silly things when setting up my pc and am wondering if I've made myself a mess I can't easily clean
L472[11:49:31] <ff​_66> i'm not documented on this
L473[11:49:40] <Corded> > <ff​_66> but you would need a password with like 16 characters capit…
L474[11:49:40] <Na​dja> nah, you can just expand whatever password you're given to the keysize you need
L475[11:50:01] <The Pa​tmann💖> ff_66: I am talking about actual linux stuff, not OC stuff, btw
L476[11:50:08] <ff​_66> why ? you need the password to be impossible to guess
L477[11:50:25] <Na​dja> Nah you really don't
L478[11:50:27] <ff​_66> otherwise it is hacked in ten secs
L479[11:50:40] <Na​dja> I will just TNT all your diamonds until you give me the password
L480[11:51:03] <Corded> > <na​dja> I will just TNT all your diamonds until you give me the pas…
L481[11:51:04] <ff​_66> i have a digital miner so it is not a problem
L482[11:51:04] <Forec​aster> Kneecap hacking
L483[11:51:14] <Li​ly> average fabric modder
L484[11:51:14] <Corded> > <ff​_66> i have a digital miner so it is not a problem
L485[11:51:14] <Na​dja> I'll blow up that too then
L486[11:51:33] <Corded> > <na​dja> I'll blow up that too then
L487[11:51:34] <ff​_66> i have at least 10 shulkers full of that too
L488[11:51:38] <ff​_66> on me
L489[11:51:42] <The Pa​tmann💖> Nuh-uh Nadja, he is smart and has it all secured in an AE2 Spatial Storage Cell!
L490[11:51:45] <ff​_66> and a totem
L491[11:51:46] <Li​ly> Aw, it's 1.13
L492[11:51:49] <Li​ly> * 1.12
L493[11:51:57] <Corded> > <ff​_66> and a totem
L494[11:51:57] <Na​dja> Well, more TNT then
L495[11:51:57] <The Pa​tmann💖> lol
L496[11:52:02] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Aw, it's 1.12
L497[11:52:02] <ff​_66> love combat update
L498[11:52:02] <Li​ly> None of the cool exploits in 1.7
L499[11:52:38] <Corded> > <ff​_66> love combat update
L500[11:52:38] <Li​ly> And I love how spaghetti 1.7 mods are, we are not the same
L501[11:52:40] <ff​_66> and also an obsidian suit, a jetpack and even an **atomic disassembler**
L502[11:52:52] <ff​_66> love mekanism
L503[11:53:01] <Li​ly> ...Is Mek all you have?
L504[11:53:04] <ff​_66> yes
L505[11:53:18] <ff​_66> thats why i prefer 1.12 to 1.20
L506[11:53:22] <Li​ly> Is the jetpack at least armoured
L507[11:53:23] <ff​_66> ore gen
L508[11:53:27] <ff​_66> yes
L509[11:53:29] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> ...Is Mek all you have?
L510[11:53:29] <Na​dja> aye he's a wee lad, don't break him will ya?
L511[11:53:37] <Li​ly> Foine
L512[11:53:45] <ff​_66> i'll give you the mods and the map if you want
L513[11:53:53] <Corded> > <ff​_66> thats why i prefer 1.12 to 1.20
L514[11:53:54] <Li​ly> I admit: I agree here.
L515[11:54:08] <ff​_66> even 2b2t agree
L516[11:54:10] <Li​ly> Modern just doesn't have the spark 1.7 has
L517[11:54:25] <The Pa​tmann💖> *quietly shuffles away with my monster modpack that uses OC to manage QMD, Nuclearcraft, and IE*
L518[11:54:27] <The Pa​tmann💖> Nothing to see here
L519[11:54:30] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Modern just doesn't have the spark 1.7 has
L520[11:54:30] <Na​dja> ~~Have you been introduced to Izzy perchance?~~
L521[11:54:31] <Li​ly> ~~Literally, if you compare Spark versions~~
L522[11:54:48] <ff​_66> stop striking the text
L523[11:54:53] <Corded> > <na​dja> ~~Have you been introduced to Izzy perchance?~~
L524[11:54:53] <Li​ly> Nah, my love of 1.7 is unrelated
L525[11:54:59] <Corded> > <ff​_66> stop striking the text
L526[11:54:59] <Li​ly> ~~No~~
L527[11:55:07] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Nah, my love of 1.7 is unrelated
L528[11:55:07] <Na​dja> You should meet her, you would get along *splendidly*
L529[11:55:16] <Corded> > <na​dja> You should meet her, you would get along *splendidly*
L530[11:55:17] <Li​ly> I know her :P
L531[11:55:24] <ff​_66> 1.7 is even more broken than 1.12 and the only thing i hate is translation
L532[11:55:44] <ff​_66> there is nearly 0 mods that are translated
L533[11:55:48] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I know her :P
L534[11:55:48] <Na​dja> You've become … acquaintanced then?
L535[11:56:07] <Li​ly> I've been here since... uh, maybe 2020ish
L536[11:56:07] <Li​ly> the join date on discord isn't correct, I rejoined at some point
L537[11:56:11] <Corded> > <na​dja> You've become … acquaintanced then?
L538[11:56:11] <Li​ly> Yeah
L539[11:56:29] <ff​_66> and also i prefer having an obsidian shield than nothing
L540[11:56:47] <Li​ly> I played SKSpack, I think 8?
L541[11:56:50] <Li​ly> Or maybe 9
L542[11:56:57] <ff​_66> love obsidian ingots and nuclear reactors
L543[11:57:12] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Yeah
L544[11:57:12] <Na​dja> Good, good!
L545[11:57:25] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I played SKSpack, I think 8?
L546[11:57:25] <Na​dja> Whichever that one was :D
L547[11:57:31] <Corded> > <na​dja> Good, good!
L548[11:57:31] <Li​ly> We're actually in similar timezones lmao
L549[11:57:38] <Na​dja> I am aware, yes.
L550[11:58:05] <Li​ly> though my sleep schedule is...
L551[11:58:05] <Li​ly> lacking, to say the least
L552[11:58:14] <Na​dja> One more thing you have in common.
L553[11:58:30] <Li​ly> it's currently 12am and I woke up an hour ago
L554[11:58:35] <ff​_66> so, you want the map then ? i have tornadoes every week >:-)
L555[11:58:49] <Corded> > <ff​_66> so, you want the map then ? i have tornadoes every week >:-)
L556[11:58:49] <Li​ly> Do you live in Kansas
L557[11:58:57] <Li​ly> Or whereever Tornado Alley is
L558[11:58:57] <Na​dja> Worse, france.
L559[11:59:21] <ff​_66> well, it *was* a forest but there is only dead trees today so yes, kansas here
L560[11:59:31] <Li​ly> The French have already breached our defenses?!
L561[11:59:42] <ff​_66> the DGSE is there
L562[12:02:53] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L563[12:02:53] <MichiBot> Golly! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 10 minutes and 3 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L564[12:02:54] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 3 hours, 10 minutes and 3 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00317 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.0027682 more points to pass Va​ur!
L565[12:03:31] <Forec​aster> %greenshell vaur
L566[12:03:31] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Unfortunately you missed with a 4 vs 10.
L567[12:03:49] <Forec​aster> >:
L568[12:09:45] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> The French have already breached our defenses?!
L569[12:09:45] <ff​_66> you litterally leaked your timezone
L570[12:11:59] <ff​_66> which is huge
L571[12:12:11] <ff​_66> so yes
L572[12:12:29] <ff​_66> (just joking huh, i'm not working for them)
L573[12:15:06] <Forec​aster> What
L574[12:16:30] <ff​_66> i'm **not** gonna find her, but don't do that again, especially on public sites
L575[12:17:44] <ff​_66> saying what time it is is leaking the timezone
L576[12:18:22] <Forec​aster> Here it is currently 14:17
L577[12:18:34] <Izzy> mildly incensed about the implication that PsychOS is abandoned
L578[12:18:36] <ff​_66> ok you're GMT+1
L579[12:18:45] <ff​_66> like me
L580[12:18:51] <Forec​aster> Correct
L581[12:18:57] <Forec​aster> Now find me
L582[12:19:18] <Spider ​EveryOS> %blueshell Vaur
L583[12:19:18] <MichiBot> Spider ​EveryOS: You hit Vaur! They lost 0.00498728 tonk points which you gain! Congratulations! Position #3 Need 0.01496184 more points to pass Va​ur!
L584[12:19:30] <Izzy> though I suppose it wouldn't interest you because security is not something I'm worried about with my single-user multitasking workstation OS :^)
L585[12:19:33] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Correct
L586[12:19:33] <ff​_66> you also leaked that you are applying DST
L587[12:19:41] <ff​_66> thanks
L588[12:20:15] <Forec​aster> Not by choice
L589[12:20:21] <ff​_66> so you are in western Europe (non GB)
L590[12:20:47] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/eEEFcgN9Ho1vyCxD8LWFse3dpO0jGWpgaVEMkYjV/Peek_2024-07-22_08-20.mp4
L591[12:20:47] <Forec​aster> Yes
L592[12:21:19] <ff​_66> did the codec uninstall itself ???
L593[12:21:23] <Corded> > <ff​_66> i'm **not** gonna find her, but don't do that again, especi…
L594[12:21:23] <Li​ly> Oh no, you know my timezone
L595[12:21:23] <Li​ly> How scary~
L596[12:21:42] <Li​ly> I only live in a country with millions of others
L597[12:21:52] <Izzy> mmm that +64K is a nice thing
L598[12:21:55] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Oh no, you know my timezone
L599[12:21:55] <Corded> How scary~
L600[12:21:55] <ff​_66> GMT -1 or GMT -2 DST, right ?
L601[12:22:10] <Izzy> not me inlining calculations into my slicer calls
L602[12:22:12] <Li​ly> Ah. You don't know my timezone.
L603[12:22:21] <Forec​aster> I'm still waiting for you to pinpoint my location
L604[12:22:29] <Corded> > <ff​_66> GMT -1 or GMT -2 DST, right ?
L605[12:22:29] <Li​ly> Try +12.
L606[12:22:31] <Li​ly> lmao
L607[12:22:32] <ff​_66> oh wait, i didn't compute correctly
L608[12:22:43] * Izzy checks own whois
L609[12:22:48] <Izzy> interesting.
L610[12:22:57] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Try +12.
L611[12:22:57] <ff​_66> ah yes 12 am and not pm ,that's why i hate english
L612[12:23:05] <ff​_66> i prefer 24 hour format
L613[12:23:15] <Izzy> I prefer Metric time :^)
L614[12:23:24] <Li​ly> Metric time?
L615[12:23:31] <Na​dja> 1200
L616[12:23:32] <lunar_sam> NO
L617[12:23:36] <lunar_sam> NO METRIC TIME
L618[12:23:50] <Forec​aster> Deci-hours
L619[12:24:01] <lunar_sam> also it's currently uhhh
L620[12:24:06] <lunar_sam> 08:24 here
L621[12:24:48] <Izzy> Lily: it can actually refer to several different systems, the ambiguity is intentional
L622[12:25:06] <lunar_sam> i could tell you what state i live in and you'd still never find me
L623[12:25:14] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> Metric time?
L624[12:25:14] <ff​_66> found you
L625[12:25:31] <lunar_sam> also Izzy: yeah i love that feature of the +...
L626[12:25:37] <ff​_66> eastern russia ?
L627[12:25:42] <Li​ly> ...No
L628[12:25:53] <lunar_sam> though it should be noted that without a unit, it's in sectors
L629[12:25:57] <Li​ly> You're about as far away as you could be
L630[12:26:08] <ff​_66> wait new zealand ???
L631[12:26:17] <Li​ly> Yeah
L632[12:26:19] <lunar_sam> anyways, lol, flags
L633[12:26:21] <Li​ly> Congratulations
L634[12:26:23] <Li​ly> You win a cookie
L635[12:26:26] <lunar_sam> and a few other changes here and there
L636[12:26:33] <ff​_66> tought you were not applying DST
L637[12:26:38] <ff​_66> * thought you were not applying DST
L638[12:27:10] <lunar_sam> also ziptie will now hopefully respect the active flag
L639[12:27:21] <lunar_sam> though it doesn't support booting off on non-BOOTCODE partitions but w/e
L640[12:27:21] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> You win a cookie
L641[12:27:22] <ff​_66> i always reject cookies
L642[12:27:37] ⇨ Joins: lily (~Lily@58.84.227.106)
L643[12:27:38] <Izzy> now that I have a small inline 4 hatchback made in japan I'm gonna rewatch Initial D to fully appreciate it
L644[12:27:43] <ff​_66> and what is the goal of the s flag ?
L645[12:27:45] <lunar_sam> ...you can currently set multiple partitions as active but
L646[12:27:50] <lunar_sam> that's not my fuckin problem
L647[12:27:56] <lunar_sam> 🚬
L648[12:28:16] <Izzy> it is the user's right to empty all six chambers into their foot if they want
L649[12:28:16] <ff​_66> you love smoking
L650[12:28:25] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> now that I have a small inline 4 hatchback made in japan I'…
L651[12:28:25] <Na​dja> oh no :D
L652[12:28:33] <lunar_sam> the s flag is supposed to inform the OS that the partition is important and that you could probably warn the user before they hose it
L653[12:28:33] <Izzy> >:)
L654[12:28:41] <lily> Izzy: I'm stealing that one
L655[12:29:09] <lunar_sam> *should probably warn the user
L656[12:29:10] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> the s flag is supposed to inform the OS that the partition …
L657[12:29:10] <ff​_66> thats all ? windows NT would just require you trusted installer rights !!!
L658[12:29:10] <lunar_sam> w/e
L659[12:29:35] <lunar_sam> i mean, in any sane system, you need root to even mess with a partition
L660[12:29:57] <Izzy> Nadja: went on a road trip down south over the weekend, went over my favourite twisty mountain road. go into the first corner at the speed limit, grinning uncontrollably. my grandad, in the passenger seat, is holding on to both the (fixed) door handle and the handle above the door
L661[12:30:01] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> it is the user's right to empty all six chambers into their…
L662[12:30:01] <Na​dja> Not if I'm the one that has to patch the user back together after their sudden onset cavitation shock!
L663[12:30:36] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> Nadja: went on a road trip down south over the weekend, wen…
L664[12:30:37] <Na​dja> You are evil and remind me to never let you drive.
L665[12:30:43] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> i mean, in any sane system, you need root to even mess with…
L666[12:30:44] <ff​_66> now try rm -rf --no-preserve-root / and see if it is secure
L667[12:30:46] <Izzy> I was just having a good time :(
L668[12:31:08] <lunar_sam> the vxbp is not supposed to be mounted in a way for a normal user to even touch anyways
L669[12:31:25] <lunar_sam> it's effectively like the ESP
L670[12:31:28] <Izzy> god I forgot how janky the early season CGI compositing in Initial D was
L671[12:31:39] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> I was just having a good time :(
L672[12:31:40] <Na​dja> Yes, *you*. Your granddad apparently wasn't!
L673[12:31:50] <lily> That /does/ sound like a good time
L674[12:32:09] <ff​_66> or dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda if you want some fun recovering your files
L675[12:32:21] <Corded> > <li​ly> That /does/ sound like a good time
L676[12:32:21] <Na​dja> Will you two kiss already?
L677[12:32:21] <lily> What if I don't have a /dev/sda?
L678[12:32:23] <ff​_66> (don't try this at home)
L679[12:32:45] <Corded> > <li​ly> What if I don't have a /dev/sda?
L680[12:32:45] <ff​_66> then you don't have dd because linux
L681[12:32:51] <Forec​aster> I still haven't been found ):
L682[12:32:54] <lily> Someone's never heard of NVMe
L683[12:32:56] <lunar_sam> it should be mounted with the ownership of root:root and 644
L684[12:33:04] <lunar_sam> anyways
L685[12:33:11] <lunar_sam> yeah you need root to execute those sorts of commands
L686[12:33:12] <Corded> > <li​ly> Someone's never heard of NVMe
L687[12:33:13] <ff​_66> its a sata ssd you know
L688[12:33:23] <lunar_sam> if they have root access, you're already boned six ways from sunday
L689[12:33:34] <Izzy> hmm, is my browser out of date, or is openstreetmap's "from here" and "to here" thingers broken?
L690[12:33:35] <Corded> > <li​ly> Someone's never heard of NVMe
L691[12:33:35] <lily> there's /dev/nvmeX, you know
L692[12:33:35] <Na​dja> Or IDE drives you young'uns!
L693[12:33:50] <lily> Hey! I actually have an IDE drive!
L694[12:33:54] <lily> ...Somewhere, in a box.
L695[12:33:56] <Izzy> my current machine contains zero SATA drives
L696[12:33:57] <lunar_sam> hey i have several
L697[12:33:58] <Corded> > <na​dja> Or IDE drives you young'uns!
L698[12:33:58] <ff​_66> speaking of that, i'm searching a 34 pin IDE controller
L699[12:34:04] <lily> I also have a ZIP drive
L700[12:34:07] <lunar_sam> /dev/hda moment
L701[12:34:08] <lily> And two Olivetti M10s
L702[12:34:09] <Izzy> I have too many IDE drives, but none of them are in my machine
L703[12:34:17] <lily> Can you believe someone was going to just THROW OUT such hardware?!
L704[12:34:22] <lunar_sam> also shoutout to my man /dev/floppy
L705[12:34:24] <lily> I found it in my apartment's rubbish room
L706[12:34:25] <Izzy> those things are cute af
L707[12:34:27] <lunar_sam> o7
L708[12:34:28] <Corded> > <li​ly> Hey! I actually have an IDE drive!
L709[12:34:28] <Na​dja> Yeah but you didn't back when Linux made IDE drives /dev/hdX and SCSI drives /dev/sdX
L710[12:34:35] <lily> OK, fair point,
L711[12:34:38] <lily> s/,/.
L712[12:34:39] <MichiBot> <lily> OK. fair point,
L713[12:34:44] <lunar_sam> hey i used PS2 linux :v
L714[12:34:46] <Corded> > <li​ly> I also have a ZIP drive
L715[12:34:47] <ff​_66> i have a floppy disk reader in mine, but i'm looking for some 34-pin PATA controller
L716[12:35:01] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> hey i used PS2 linux :v
L717[12:35:01] <Na​dja> Not talking about you Sam I know you're old and weird
L718[12:35:04] <lunar_sam> that was still /dev/hdX
L719[12:35:07] <lily> Speaking of PS2Linux, I might try that later. No idea if it works on a slim though
L720[12:35:14] <lunar_sam> i'm not even that old lol
L721[12:35:16] <lily> I ordered a video cable for mine a couple days ago
L722[12:35:36] <lunar_sam> i mean apparently i look old enough where they usually don't card me when i buy alcohol but oh well
L723[12:35:38] <Izzy> lily: look at this delightful bit of road https://www.google.com/maps/dir/-28.3464857,153.400666/40/@-28.4174551,153.3966513,12.08z/data=!4m6!4m5!1m0!1m3!2m2!1d153.5198218!2d-28.4906856?entry=ttu
L724[12:35:51] <lunar_sam> absolutely grim
L725[12:35:54] <Corded> > <li​ly> I ordered a video cable for mine a couple days ago
L726[12:35:54] <ff​_66> VGA, DVI, HDMI or DP ?
L727[12:36:14] <lunar_sam> oh also there's uhhh
L728[12:36:18] <lily> ...Neither.
L729[12:36:20] <Izzy> try uh, SCART or composite?
L730[12:36:21] <lily> AV
L731[12:36:22] <lunar_sam> /dev/mmcblkX (?)
L732[12:36:25] <lily> Composite, yeah
L733[12:36:31] <ff​_66> bro you have a crt ?
L734[12:36:33] <lily> My monitor has composite AND component input
L735[12:37:01] <lily> As well as HDMI, DP, two DVIs...
L736[12:37:03] <Corded> > <ff​_66> bro you have a crt ?
L737[12:37:03] <Na​dja> a) lily is a lot of things, but not a 'bro', your's even less so b) kid you are *so* out of your depth it's not even funny anymore.
L738[12:37:04] <lunar_sam> oh i need to either buy or make a VGA cable for my PS2 at some point
L739[12:37:09] <lily> Oh, and VGA
L740[12:37:28] <lily> VGA, DVI-D1, DVI-D1, DP, HDMI, Composite, Component
L741[12:37:28] <lunar_sam> i _think_ one of my monitors supports sync on green but idk
L742[12:37:34] <lily> Also audio support
L743[12:37:48] <lily> And for your information, I used to have a CRT.
L744[12:37:55] <ff​_66> wow thats extremely advanced technology
L745[12:37:56] <lily> ...When I was like eight, but the point stands still
L746[12:38:05] <lunar_sam> i've been wanting to get a CRT but
L747[12:38:07] <lunar_sam> no room
L748[12:38:12] <lunar_sam> probably gonna get one when i move
L749[12:38:15] <Izzy> my only CRT these days is attached to a G4 Macintosh
L750[12:38:23] <Izzy> ... which may be able to run Windows NT 4 soon
L751[12:38:29] <Corded> > <li​ly> ...When I was like eight, but the point stands still
L752[12:38:30] <Na​dja> back when CRTs used to be the new shit!! 🧓
L753[12:38:56] <lunar_sam> since my main PC will be downstairs in the office and i'll just have my deck and laptop in my room but w/e
L754[12:38:58] <Corded> > <na​dja> back when CRTs used to be the new shit!! 🧓
L755[12:38:59] <ff​_66> at the time where a 80486 DX used to cost 1 grand
L756[12:39:13] <lily> I'm not sure whether to be flattered or concerned.
L757[12:39:20] <lily> Nadja: ...How old do you think I am?
L758[12:39:27] <Corded> > <li​ly> Nadja: ...How old do you think I am?
L759[12:39:27] <Na​dja> 23
L760[12:39:38] <Izzy> did you see that by the way? some absolute nutters abused Windows NT into running on G3 macintoshes
L761[12:39:40] <Corded> > <li​ly> Nadja: ...How old do you think I am?
L762[12:39:41] <ff​_66> sure, after the timezone, the age
L763[12:39:52] <lunar_sam> actually wait, yeah, how old you think _i_ am :v
L764[12:40:01] <lily> Nadja: I'll take it! You're five years too much, but I'll take it
L765[12:40:11] <lily> Closer to four really
L766[12:40:13] <Corded> > <li​ly> Nadja: I'll take it! You're five years too much, but I'll t…
L767[12:40:13] <Na​dja> You're *what*?!
L768[12:40:19] <ff​_66> so you're 19 ???
L769[12:40:23] <lily> Next month
L770[12:40:31] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> actually wait, yeah, how old you think _i_ am :v
L771[12:40:31] <Na​dja> Fuck you told me once … uuuuuh 29?
L772[12:40:33] <lily> But yes, close enough
L773[12:40:48] <lily> You wouldn't be the first person to overestimate my age though
L774[12:40:49] <Corded> > <li​ly> Next month
L775[12:40:49] <ff​_66> timezone : leaked
L776[12:40:49] <ff​_66> age : leaked
L777[12:40:49] <ff​_66> name : not leaked
L778[12:40:53] <Corded> > <na​dja> Fuck you told me once … uuuuuh 29?
L779[12:40:53] <Na​dja> Actually, 29 back then I think so … 32 now?
L780[12:40:58] <lily> "Not leaked"
L781[12:41:02] <lily> My name is literally my IRC username
L782[12:41:04] <lily> Good luck finding me
L783[12:41:14] <lily> lily is probably one of the most common names
L784[12:41:17] <Izzy> wait till he finds out about IRC hostnames
L785[12:41:19] <ff​_66> address : not leaked
L786[12:41:20] <lunar_sam> 22, actually :v
L787[12:41:28] <ff​_66> ip : maybe leaked
L788[12:41:34] <ff​_66> pick a vpn
L789[12:41:40] <lily> OK, I'm not telling you my address.
L790[12:41:42] <lunar_sam> oh no, my ipv4
L791[12:41:45] <Corded> > <li​ly> lily is probably one of the most common names
L792[12:41:45] <Na​dja> 19 year old Lilys in New Zealand? There can only be like a few thousand of those!
L793[12:41:49] <lily> Lmao
L794[12:41:51] <lunar_sam> assigned to an LTE router
L795[12:41:52] <ff​_66> because ipv6 = address
L796[12:41:54] <lily> I'm not 19 /yet/
L797[12:41:57] <Kristo​pher38> lunar_sam: close, I was thinking 21
L798[12:42:00] <lily> Next month, though
L799[12:42:05] <lunar_sam> what a shame
L800[12:42:08] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> 22, actually :v
L801[12:42:09] <Na​dja> Welp, I am probably mistaking your for somebody else then :P
L802[12:42:14] <lunar_sam> likely!
L803[12:42:34] <lily> The only gripe I really have about my apartment is that I can't get a cat D:
L804[12:42:43] <lunar_sam> @Kristopher38 in most cases, that's close enough :v
L805[12:42:51] <Corded> > <li​ly> Next month, though
L806[12:42:52] <Na​dja> Something something !remindme next month to congratulate you :P
L807[12:43:11] <lily> 17th, if you care
L808[12:43:27] <ff​_66> now your bithday ?
L809[12:43:47] <lily> I mean, you could already figure out my birthday from "next month".
L810[12:43:58] <lily> There's not much left in the month so you'd be close
L811[12:44:02] <ff​_66> what else? your email ?
L812[12:44:04] <lily> Two weeks off, at most
L813[12:44:29] <lily> Speaking of email, I should really at the very least set something up to forward to my gmail address
L814[12:44:39] <ff​_66> that's not a leak,
L815[12:44:52] <ff​_66> thats an open tap
L816[12:45:06] <Forec​aster> https://tenor.com/view/leek-gif-5912956
L817[12:45:21] <Li​ly> I have so many domains https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721652320596.png
L818[12:45:24] <lily> Not shown: domain #4.
L819[12:45:33] <ff​_66> you've said that you have a google account and a gmail
L820[12:45:36] <Corded> > <li​ly> 17th, if you care
L821[12:45:36] <Na​dja> Thanks now I have to contemplate the fact that 2005 was 19 years ago and that'd you're not that much older than my daughter. Thanks, fuck, ow.
L822[12:45:36] <lily> For... hopefully obvious reasons, if you check my profile
L823[12:46:06] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> I have so many domains
L824[12:46:06] <ff​_66> Sure, hexcasting https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721652365744.png
L825[12:46:08] <lily> Nadja: No problem :3
L826[12:46:19] <lily> ff_66: There's no A record
L827[12:46:29] <lily> I own the domain I just don't have anything behind it.
L828[12:46:34] <lily> Same with downloadmoremedia
L829[12:46:52] <Forec​aster> That site is not secure! You have to practice protection lily
L830[12:46:59] <lily> Hey, my CDN is!
L831[12:47:03] <lily> (cdn.lilyflower.xyz)
L832[12:47:16] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/ODSbfSF7zp4ICkD12YYOZLNV2X3mn9y6iJoSegwK/c76e821f-1302-4159-9780-ff50fbd15b96.png
L833[12:47:17] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> That site is not secure! You have to practice protection li…
L834[12:47:17] <ff​_66> which site ?
L835[12:47:17] <Forec​aster> 😛
L836[12:47:21] <lily> In which I store various misc things.
L837[12:47:22] <Izzy> the early Initial D art is rough
L838[12:47:37] <Izzy> speaking of CDNs, I added a third physical site to mine this week!
L839[12:47:45] <Izzy> I'm now up to a combined total upload speed of 60Mbps!
L840[12:47:52] <lily> Including SAO Alicization WoU, apparently
L841[12:47:55] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> That site is not secure! You have to practice protection li…
L842[12:47:55] <Na​dja> Safer ~~sex~~ http!
L843[12:48:03] <ff​_66> now i'll steal all your files because you leaked your site
L844[12:48:11] <Forec​aster> Good luck
L845[12:48:24] <ff​_66> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721652504471.png
L846[12:48:29] <Izzy> was I this vaguely unpleasant 10 years ago?
L847[12:48:42] <Corded> > <ff​_66> now i'll steal all your files because you leaked your site
L848[12:48:42] <Na​dja> Yes who's a wee little hacker? Yes you are <3
L849[12:48:54] <Forec​aster> I'm sure most people were at one point in their lives
L850[12:49:05] <lily> ff_66: You can have them, if you want
L851[12:49:05] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> was I this vaguely unpleasant 10 years ago?
L852[12:49:06] <Na​dja> No, not even close.
L853[12:49:13] <lily> They're public for a reason
L854[12:49:39] <ff​_66> init.lua is litterally the luabios for some reason
L855[12:49:41] <lily> There's not much on there
L856[12:49:46] <lily> Half of which I don't know what it's for!
L857[12:50:04] <lunar_sam> i still have yet to actually use my various websites
L858[12:50:06] <ff​_66> there is not much, i confirm https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721652605913.png
L859[12:50:08] <lunar_sam> rather, addresses
L860[12:50:09] <lunar_sam> whatever
L861[12:50:22] <lily> ...Why do I have a jar for the testdummy mod?
L862[12:50:26] <lily> Appropriately named "test.jar".
L863[12:50:41] <lunar_sam> i just love that i was able to acquire those URLs
L864[12:51:02] <Forec​aster> I unfortunately don't have a public file directory to share
L865[12:51:07] <lunar_sam> tbh icbmlaunch.site has been mine for a while
L866[12:51:16] <lily> It's a shame wolfgirls.link doesn't go anywhere
L867[12:51:17] <lunar_sam> i don't have anything public either :v
L868[12:51:20] <Forec​aster> https://towerofawesome.org/files/
L869[12:51:21] <Corded> > <li​ly> ...Why do I have a jar for the testdummy mod?
L870[12:51:21] <ff​_66> i can even decompile it i have cfr
L871[12:51:28] <lily> CFR? Just CFR?
L872[12:51:30] <lily> Not even Recaf?
L873[12:51:39] <ff​_66> i love command line
L874[12:51:40] <Izzy> you can probably just like, get the source code
L875[12:51:41] <lily> Recaf is <3
L876[12:51:57] <ff​_66> don't need anything more
L877[12:52:03] <lunar_sam> also was i this bad when i was still in school
L878[12:52:05] <lily> I mean, sure, but CFR is just a decompiler
L879[12:52:10] <lunar_sam> jesus christ it's been 4 years
L880[12:52:11] <ff​_66> already decompiled minecraft 1.12 entirely
L881[12:52:12] <lily> Recaf is a bytecode editor
L882[12:52:15] <lunar_sam> mentalflashbang
L883[12:52:22] <lily> Speaking of bytecode
L884[12:52:24] <Corded> > <li​ly> Recaf is a bytecode editor
L885[12:52:24] <ff​_66> i have HxD
L886[12:52:28] <lily> That's a hex editor
L887[12:52:33] <lily> Not the same thing
L888[12:52:38] <lily> I'm talking about /JVM/ bytecode
L889[12:53:01] <ff​_66> can use cfr then modify then recompile
L890[12:53:07] <lily> You know, ICONST_0 IRETURN; ACONST_NULL ARETURN; that sort of thing.
L891[12:53:07] <ff​_66> as easy
L892[12:53:18] <lily> Booleans are really just two integers in a trenchcoat.
L893[12:53:25] <Corded> > <li​ly> Not shown: domain #4.
L894[12:53:25] <Na​dja> right … thanks bytheby.
L895[12:53:31] <ff​_66> prefer java that is in his original form
L896[12:53:58] <lily> recaf /does/ let you edit in a source-like style but it doesn't work well for things with a lot of dependencies
L897[12:54:00] <lily> like MC mods
L898[12:54:19] <ff​_66> your mod is old though 😂 https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721652858846.png
L899[12:54:23] <lily> so for that the disassembly view is better, + `EXPR` is good
L900[12:54:32] <lily> Damn, I didn't know we had Minecraft at epoch 0
L901[12:54:49] <lily> Or Java, for that matter
L902[12:54:52] <Forec​aster> Minecraft is forever
L903[12:54:56] <Corded> > <li​ly> Damn, I didn't know we had Minecraft at epoch 0
L904[12:54:57] <ff​_66> it is not the epoch, the epoch is jan 1 1970
L905[12:55:31] <ff​_66> you don't know what UNIX is
L906[12:55:39] <Forec​aster> Not many know this but Java was initially just a Minecraft mod
L907[12:55:43] <lily> There's more than one epoch
L908[12:55:58] <lily> the ZIP epoch is 1980
L909[12:56:02] <Izzy> ff_86 when jesus walks out
L910[12:56:07] <lily> and since a JAR is just a zip in a trenchcoat
L911[12:56:19] <Corded> > <ff​_66> you don't know what UNIX is
L912[12:56:19] <Na​dja> Aye kid, Lily does. You don't.
L913[12:56:23] <Corded> > <li​ly> and since a JAR is just a zip in a trenchcoat
L914[12:56:23] <ff​_66> docx files are also zip files
L915[12:56:40] <lily> A lot of file formats are just ZIP in disguise
L916[12:56:44] <ff​_66> and all the files office use
L917[12:56:48] <lunar_sam> the intrusive thoughts to just say "heysoos" when i se "jesus"
L918[12:56:52] <lunar_sam> *see
L919[12:57:08] <lily> Also fat32 and exfat use 1980
L920[12:57:12] <ff​_66> i just saw "hey sus"
L921[12:58:40] <Corded> > <li​ly> Also fat32 and exfat use 1980
L922[12:58:40] <ff​_66> because thats what OC is inspired of
L923[12:58:48] <lunar_sam> what
L924[12:58:59] <Li​ly> what
L925[12:59:03] <Forec​aster> Sigh, I've hardly gotten home and sat down and I've got a cat climbing on me
L926[12:59:03] <ff​_66> the '80s
L927[12:59:09] <Izzy> "kansei dorifto?!"
L928[12:59:29] <ff​_66> whut
L929[12:59:33] <lily> Nani?!
L930[12:59:41] <Forec​aster> Wha?!
L931[12:59:43] <lunar_sam> nani ⁉
L932[12:59:48] <lily> Speaking of, I can't unhear Perfect Hero in big hero 6's car scene anymore
L933[12:59:51] <Li​ly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtm0V65CJAI
L934[13:00:02] <lily> It just feels empty without it
L935[13:00:17] <lunar_sam> it's like the final race in the speed racer movie
L936[13:00:23] <Li​ly> Wow, I never noticed how much I had installed https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721653222730.png
L937[13:00:23] <lunar_sam> it just requires the top to be playing
L938[13:00:28] <Izzy> it is both disappointing and comforting that realistically it's somewhere between pointless and impossible to do all the scary street racer stuff from Initial D in my little FF car
L939[13:00:50] <ff​_66> asseto corsa ?
L940[13:00:51] <lunar_sam> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S18Hm1q0srE
L941[13:01:56] <lunar_sam> AC mentioned
L942[13:01:59] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/WmBPxalUeijpysfrNcggr6ki9xnveupbVDuyJXgo/5bc40a1d-1c42-4f1c-a74e-3decd41f3f0f.png
L943[13:03:21] <Izzy> lunar_sam, lily: did you hear the news
L944[13:03:25] <lily> Oh?
L945[13:03:27] <lunar_sam> hm?
L946[13:03:27] <Izzy> flatout 2 now comes out of the box with openspy
L947[13:03:32] <Izzy> multiplayer just works
L948[13:03:33] <lunar_sam> huh
L949[13:03:47] <Izzy> (assuming you don't have a firewall fucking it all up by being too smart, anyway)
L950[13:04:26] <lily> Hmm, I wonder if it has wheel support...
L951[13:04:33] <Izzy> I play with a SC >:)
L952[13:04:39] <lily> SC?
L953[13:04:42] <lily> A Switchcraft?
L954[13:04:42] <Izzy> steam controller
L955[13:04:44] <lily> ah
L956[13:05:19] <Izzy> speaking of, my beamng setup is uh, left rear paddle for clutch, and shove the stick up or down to change gears
L957[13:05:19] <lunar_sam> lemme play with my ACE5 HOTAS :v
L958[13:05:44] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> speaking of, my beamng setup is uh, left rear paddle for cl…
L959[13:05:44] <ff​_66> mine is a gamecube controller
L960[13:05:49] <Izzy> (right paddle is push-to-talk)
L961[13:07:44] <ff​_66> A and B to change gears, left stick to drive, right stick for camera, start button for... well, start/stop, select for toggling highbeam/lowbeam, and L/R for turn lights
L962[13:07:57] <lunar_sam> i wish there was a game like war thunder that wasn't run by gaijin
L963[13:08:16] <ff​_66> by what ?
L964[13:09:01] <lunar_sam> (monkey's paw, it's instead run by wargaming)
L965[13:09:46] <lunar_sam> anyways, i just love full sending it in my phantom with 20 minutes of fuel B)
L966[13:12:36] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/uYafDPb9uKXsuShLyXI1mhR1NFnm8VWvDu7D0S1K/0e2f5b18-1086-4015-9b46-a1f9f8c6efa5.png
L967[13:12:38] <lunar_sam> very realistic simulation
L968[13:18:01] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/3SfdmC5fglqNPVT4ybF5JeetaRhr321unF6wnstO/536acc4a-bbb5-494b-8772-bb8421918275.png
L969[13:18:04] <lunar_sam> i love my spooky ghost
L970[13:20:33] <Izzy> lily, nadja: dumb question: I'm used to bikes with like, aircraft fuel caps. the swift's uhhh fuel input is almost exactly the same size as the fuel pump nozzle. is there a secret technique to not have to fill it at half speed or have the fuel pump lock up?
L971[13:21:57] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/dF0gYVLZ1DD1FRFabEcPGy1Y7DqWFVLdZaxKYWbD/d56a8cd4-5d37-4278-ac9e-e4897c18dedc.png
L972[13:21:57] <lunar_sam> i'd call this a nugget but it's the entire chicken
L973[13:22:39] <Izzy> thinkin about the dino nugget the false self contains traces of the true self thing
L974[13:22:53] <nadja> Izzy: I'm not sure what exactly you're asking; specifically your wording is ambiguous in text: (fill at half speed or have lock up) vs (fill at half speed) or (have lock up).
L975[13:23:34] <Izzy> so like you know how fuel pumps at servos have the pressure sensors and if there's too much pressure it cuts off the supply? to avoid that with the swift I have to fill it at half speed
L976[13:25:25] <nadja> Not sure if Austrian fuel nozzles work differently than European ones but over here you can usually lock a fuel nozzle in two or three positions (i.e. further out) and it still works. But also, most cars have a valve in their fuel tanks to let air out, you will probably want to have that checked out based on what you're describing.
L977[13:25:38] <Izzy> oh okay I'll do that
L978[13:30:06] <lily> Izzy: I am the wrong person to ask about that, unfortunately
L979[13:30:15] <lily> I, uh, don't have a driver's license :P
L980[13:30:39] <nadja> City girl then I presume? :P
L981[13:30:46] <lily> Yeah, pretty much
L982[13:31:10] <lily> I'm terrified of driving actually, hah. Too worried I'll hit something or someone
L983[13:31:29] <lily> (though I'm fine if I'm not actually driving; I can be in another other seat)
L984[13:32:18] <Corded> > <li​ly> I, uh, don't have a driver's license :P
L985[13:32:18] <Spider ​EveryOS> Me neither xD
L986[13:32:21] <lunar_sam> nobody likes riding with me
L987[13:32:21] <nadja> City girl and country girl, isn't that every lesbian love story ever anyway?
L988[13:32:26] <lily> s/another other/another
L989[13:32:26] <MichiBot> <lily> (though I'm fine if I'm not actually driving; I can be in another seat)
L990[13:32:37] <lunar_sam> then again, i do 6k RPM clutch drops for fun
L991[13:32:49] <lunar_sam> wheel go SCREEEEE
L992[13:33:43] <lily> the only reason I'd get a driver's license is for one of those large camper vans anyway; turn it into something looking like those surveillance vans you see in movies
L993[13:33:49] <lily> except with more RGB
L994[13:34:14] <lunar_sam> also highway speed limits are a suggestion
L995[13:34:31] <lunar_sam> (same with any empty two lane back road)
L996[13:36:09] <lunar_sam> i will probably die by losing control in a high speed turn
L997[13:36:31] <lunar_sam> or my suspension finally peaces out
L998[13:41:32] <Forec​aster> https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-roger-rabbit-choque-accidente-gif-19070857
L999[13:42:33] <Liizzi​i-chan> I want to learn to drive or get a motorbike, but ADHD go brr and brain stuck in frugal mode
L1000[13:45:07] <Corded> > <na​dja> City girl then I presume? :P
L1001[13:45:07] <Liizzi​i-chan> I initially read this as "cat girl" cause of lily's profile pic and was very confused
L1002[13:45:12] <Spider ​EveryOS> When my parents tried to teach me how to drive, I would immeadietly panic behind the wheel
L1003[13:45:12] <Spider ​EveryOS> And public transit is better anyways. Cheaper, controlled by somebody who has a lot of driving experience, no maitenance, more friendly to the environment, I can use my phone, etc
L1004[13:45:44] <Corded> > <Lii​zzii> I initially read this as "cat girl" cause of lily's profile…
L1005[13:45:44] <Spider ​EveryOS> Same, actually. I had been considering mentioning it, but I misread stuff alot
L1006[13:46:04] <lunar_sam> i love just throwing on a playlist and driving
L1007[13:46:09] <lunar_sam> once the vehicle starts moving, my ass is NOT using my phone
L1008[13:46:22] <Forec​aster> I spend like half of work driving
L1009[13:48:10] <Izzy> lily: oh I see. not too many people enjoy being passengers in cars driven by people having fun, haha
L1010[13:49:42] <Corded> > <Lii​zzii> I initially read this as "cat girl" cause of lily's profile…
L1011[13:49:42] <Li​ly> :3~
L1012[13:50:35] <Corded> > <Mich​iBot> Spider ​EveryOS: You hit Vaur! They lost 0.00498728 tonk po…
L1013[13:50:35] <Va​ur> Wasting shells again are we ?
L1014[13:51:26] <Va​ur> %sip
L1015[13:51:27] <MichiBot> You drink a woolly gold potion (New!). Vaur: Nothing seemed to happen...
L1016[13:54:14] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> :3~
L1017[13:54:14] <Liizzi​i-chan> <:meowevil:844349904670949408>
L1018[13:54:20] <Corded> > <Va​ur> Wasting shells again are we ?
L1019[13:54:21] <Spider ​EveryOS> It wasn't as effective as I thought it would be, I must misunderstand how it works
L1020[13:54:21] <Spider ​EveryOS> Is it 20% of total or 20% of difference?
L1021[13:54:36] <Va​ur> Diffrence
L1022[13:54:55] <Spider ​EveryOS> Ahh, yea that's why it didn't do much
L1023[13:55:03] <Va​ur> Basicly there no point in nay of us 3 to use shells
L1024[13:55:10] <Va​ur> Any*
L1025[13:55:19] <Spider ​EveryOS> Gotcha
L1026[13:55:22] <lily> What happens if someone with zero tonk points uses one
L1027[13:55:27] <lily> Or very little
L1028[13:55:34] <Va​ur> We are too close in score
L1029[13:55:49] <Corded> > <li​ly> What happens if someone with zero tonk points uses one
L1030[13:55:49] <Spider ​EveryOS> Then it would be of total or almost total, I assume
L1031[13:55:55] <lily> Hmmm....
L1032[13:55:56] <lily> %sip
L1033[13:55:56] <MichiBot> You drink a slimy tuna potion (New!). lily suddenly craves cake.
L1034[13:56:00] <Corded> > <li​ly> What happens if someone with zero tonk points uses one
L1035[13:56:00] <Va​ur> If it lands you'd break the 3 way tie
L1036[13:56:19] <lily> interesting.
L1037[13:57:12] <lily> Do you need to be registered to the tonk system to use shells?
L1038[13:57:36] <Liizzi​i-chan> lets see
L1039[13:57:38] <Liizzi​i-chan> %shell
L1040[13:57:39] <MichiBot> Liizzii-chan loads a Season Pass for a p2w game into a shell and fires it. It strikes the ground near Va​ur, pi​ng, and immi​bis. They take 1d6 => 4, 1d6 => 2, and 1d6 => 2 splash damage respectively.
L1041[13:57:40] <MichiBot> The Season Pass for a p2w game poofs away in a sparkly cloud.
L1042[13:57:41] <Spider ​EveryOS> I dunno, tryitands.ee
L1043[13:57:56] <Liizzi​i-chan> i probably didn't do that right
L1044[13:58:09] <lily> %greenshell vaur
L1045[13:58:09] <MichiBot> li​ly: You can't target this user right now. Try again in 22 hours, 5 minutes and 22 seconds.
L1046[13:58:12] <lily> Ah.
L1047[13:58:23] <lily> right, spider already tried
L1048[13:58:26] <Liizzi​i-chan> %greenshell Forecaster
L1049[13:58:27] <MichiBot> Liizzi​i-chan: Unfortunately you missed with a 9 vs 10.
L1050[13:58:33] <lily> %greenshell "Spider EveryOS"
L1051[13:58:34] <MichiBot> li​ly: Unfortunately you missed with a 1 vs 10.
L1052[13:58:36] <lily> None of us hit
L1053[13:58:38] <lily> Amazing
L1054[13:58:42] <lily> Though you probably /can/ use them...
L1055[13:59:00] <Forec​aster> You can
L1056[13:59:14] <lily> Interesting...
L1057[13:59:40] <Forec​aster> Also technically shells are twice as effective, because the points are removed from the target and given to you
L1058[14:00:14] <Spider ​EveryOS> If the user knows about shells, they probably already know how the tonk system works and probably don't need to read the instructions is my assumption
L1059[14:00:21] <Forec​aster> (in terms of gap closure)
L1060[14:00:33] <Spider ​EveryOS> Gotta clock into work 😭 Cya'll
L1061[14:01:23] <Forec​aster> Also the shell command is unrelated, the base command is `tonksnipe`
L1062[14:01:56] <Forec​aster> The *shell commands are aliases
L1063[14:02:21] <lily> ah
L1064[14:16:50] <Forec​aster> @Spider EveryOS .004 isn't a huge amount, but it's not insignificant either
L1065[14:18:00] <Forec​aster> But you generally want to target the furthest player ahead of you the shell allows to make the most use out of it
L1066[14:27:31] <Forec​aster> I mean, you should definitely use all your shells on Vaur!
L1067[14:41:33] <Va​ur> Hasn't helped him much so far though
L1068[14:41:54] <Va​ur> (should probably try a new target)
L1069[14:51:44] <Forec​aster> It'll work any day now, keep going!
L1070[15:44:12] <Elfi> %inv add the Dahak-AZI03
L1071[15:44:13] * MichiBot summons 'the Dahak-AZI03' and adds to their inventory. This seems very sturdy.
L1072[15:45:39] <Forec​aster> I just found out something amazing
L1073[15:45:52] * Amanda meows good meowning to Elfi, offers her some snackies and cofe
L1074[15:46:03] <Forec​aster> my domain registration lists my name as redacted, but then it names my organisation name
L1075[15:46:05] * Elfi climbs into coffee cup and soaks
L1076[15:46:12] <Forec​aster> my organisation name is just my actual name...
L1077[15:46:19] * Elfi facepalms
L1078[15:48:21] <Amanda> Amazing
L1079[15:58:30] <Forec​aster> I hope nobody hacks it
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L1081[16:09:04] <Amanda> %choose waves; em or pressure
L1082[16:09:05] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: pressure waves
L1083[16:21:34] <Forec​aster> %sip
L1084[16:21:35] <MichiBot> You drink a frosty white potion (New!). Forecaster's bed is suddenly slightly more comfortable until an elephant forgets.
L1085[16:21:43] <Forec​aster> aw man
L1086[16:24:08] <lily> That seems like an "Oh no! Anyway"
L1087[16:24:13] <lily> %sip
L1088[16:24:13] <MichiBot> You drink a mutable röd potion (New!). lily turns into a yellow cat until they exit the room.
L1089[16:24:45] <Forec​aster> I don't really care, it's just funny
L1090[16:35:18] <ninte​ndo DS> i wonder amiga mod tracker files are possible on OC
L1091[16:35:26] <ninte​ndo DS> * trackers are possible on OC
L1092[16:39:38] <Forec​aster> it is but it's very illegal, so don't try it
L1093[16:39:44] <Forec​aster> the space cops will arrest you
L1094[17:10:26] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> might make my own, better argument parser if i make a coreu…
L1095[17:10:26] <Ocawes​ome101> ulos 2's argument parser is pretty nice imo :p
L1096[17:13:43] <Corded> > <ff​_66> and other custom oses aren't even public, so i can't test t…
L1097[17:13:43] <Ocawes​ome101> try ULOS 2!
L1098[17:17:01] <Va​ur> %tonk
L1099[17:17:01] <MichiBot> Yippee! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 3 hours, 10 minutes and 3 seconds (By 2 hours, 4 minutes and 4 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1100[17:17:02] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 5 hours, 14 minutes and 8 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00828 (0.00207 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2 => #1. (Overtook Forecaster)
L1101[17:17:51] <Va​ur> https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-lotr-theoden-rohan-two-towers-gif-13863406401517703527
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L1103[17:41:20] <Forec​aster> I can't believe this.
L1104[17:41:30] <Forec​aster> On the day of my daughter's wedding.
L1105[18:01:44] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> On the day of my daughter's wedding.
L1106[18:01:44] <Spider ​EveryOS> Congrats to your daughter
L1107[18:15:38] <Forec​aster> That is a Godfather/Zootopia reference, I do not have any children
L1108[18:16:05] <Amanda> That you know of
L1109[18:16:56] <Forec​aster> True, if unlikely
L1110[18:22:03] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> That is a Godfather/Zootopia reference, I do not have any c…
L1111[18:22:03] <Spider ​EveryOS> It's been an eternity since I watched Zootopia
L1112[18:22:03] <Spider ​EveryOS>
L1113[18:22:03] <Spider ​EveryOS> And I don't think I've watched Godfather, but isn't that the one where the actor playing an evil person pets a stray cat they found in the studio before filming
L1114[18:24:52] <Forec​aster> it's been a while since I watched either
L1115[18:25:23] <Spider ​EveryOS> Gotta clock back into work ):
L1116[18:25:26] <Spider ​EveryOS> Cya
L1117[18:57:25] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> was I this vaguely unpleasant 10 years ago?
L1118[18:57:26] <Ocawes​ome101> "wow ten years is a long time" "wait i've been here five years jesus christ"
L1119[18:57:59] <Ocawes​ome101> i've had my license for more than a year :^)
L1120[19:01:07] <Mic​hiyo> Thanks, I needed reminding that I've been around since 2014
L1121[19:01:26] <Forec​aster> wait, you need a license to drive?!
L1122[19:01:32] <Mic​hiyo> lol...
L1123[19:21:18] <Amanda> %choose early rain box?
L1124[19:21:18] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I've heard that such things lead to bad luck
L1125[19:21:27] <Amanda> What's the worst that can happen
L1126[19:26:27] <Li​ly> Amanda: Famous last words
L1127[19:26:31] <Li​ly> %sip
L1128[19:26:31] <MichiBot> You drink a soft strawberry potion (New!). It tastes sour.
L1129[19:27:22] <Li​ly> Must've been unripe strawberries
L1130[19:29:29] <PewPew​Cricket> @lunar_sam can you make your fdisk set a type of any number that can fit in the type field?
L1131[19:29:39] <PewPew​Cricket> not just the types known to fdisk
L1132[19:29:45] <PewPew​Cricket> i need to use a custom type
L1133[19:40:19] <Amanda> @Lily I survived just fine!
L1134[19:57:45] <Amanda> %remindme 30m check IC
L1135[19:57:45] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "check IC" in 30m at 07/22/2024 08:27:45 PM
L1136[19:58:25] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> Thanks, I needed reminding that I've been around since 2014
L1137[19:58:25] <Liizzi​i-chan> those are rookie numbers, i've been here since 2013! :D
L1138[19:58:44] <Lizzy> well, irc side anyway
L1139[19:58:52] <Mic​hiyo> Yeah, I realized I'd been here longer than I have logs. But I didn't bother to correct
L1140[19:59:14] <Forec​aster> oh yeah, well I've been here since 20XX!
L1141[19:59:16] <Lizzy> i just went off of my nickserv registration time
L1142[19:59:38] <Mic​hiyo> my NS reg dropped :(
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L1144[19:59:48] zsh sets mode: +o on Michiyo
L1145[19:59:49] <Lizzy> sadge
L1146[20:00:31] <Michiyo> Or maybe I'm drunk
L1147[20:00:33] <Michiyo> Dec 19 00:12:26 2013 (10 years, 31 weeks, 1 day, 19:47:36 ago)
L1148[20:00:38] <Michiyo> That was for this account.
L1149[20:00:57] <Lizzy> NickServ- User reg. : Feb 14 23:15:04 2013 (11 years, 22 weeks, 6 days, 20:42:42 ago)
L1150[20:00:59] <Michiyo> I didn't group this nick to my old account when I switched.
L1151[20:01:07] <Lizzy> aah
L1152[20:01:30] <Michiyo> Wanted a clean switch.. lol
L1153[20:01:48] <Hawk777> Registered : Jul 30 05:56:56 2012 (11 years, 51 weeks, 3 days, 14:04:31 ago)
L1154[20:03:04] <Hawk777> I have logs from this channel going back to 2014-06-12
L1155[20:03:25] <Hawk777> Hard to imagine!
L1156[20:03:27] <Michiyo> My first log here is 2014-01-23.log
L1157[20:04:02] <Lizzy> Michiyo, that's when the channel was first registered, so from the start pretty much
L1158[20:04:07] <Amanda> User reg. : Mar 12 16:44:18 2013 (11 years, 19 weeks, 2 days, 03:19:27 ago)
L1159[20:04:38] <Amanda> I'm somewhat surprised I managed to keep my registration going given how much I hop between clients and shit
L1160[20:05:39] <Forec​aster> I didn't keep logs from the start, so who knows when I joined
L1161[20:05:51] ⇨ Joins: prolacika69 (~prolacika@540057AE.dsl.pool.telekom.hu)
L1162[20:05:52] <Amanda> Apparently it's been 4y 28w since I stole the nick Amanda from whoever had it registeered before
L1163[20:06:15] <Forec​aster> sometime before the switch to the new channel
L1164[20:06:23] <prolacika69> hello
L1165[20:06:29] <Lizzy> o/
L1166[20:06:33] <Amanda> Greetings mortal
L1167[20:06:33] <Forec​aster> hi
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L1169[20:07:17] <Michiyo> o-o
L1170[20:07:19] <Lizzy> %bye
L1171[20:07:19] <MichiBot> Oh, well, bye I guess...
L1172[20:07:30] <Forec​aster> short and to the point
L1173[20:07:35] <Forec​aster> and also entirely pointless
L1174[20:19:08] <PewPew​Cricket> goto has some uses https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721679548061.png
L1175[20:23:58] <Re​nno> so it looks like there's no way to edit files with an external editor in OC2 reimagined?
L1176[20:25:54] <Amanda> there's import/export cards you can use to upload/download files from the vm, but no you can't just poke the files in the save folder anymore, really
L1177[20:27:46] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check IC
L1178[20:43:09] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime?
L1179[20:43:10] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Hah! Good luck with that!
L1180[20:46:57] <PewPew​Cricket> string.unpack says the data string is too small, but the data string is the first sector of a valid osdi disk (there is only 1 unmanaged drive is the computer so it can't be reading another drive) https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721681216890.png https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721681217037.png
L1181[20:47:13] <PewPew​Cricket> And the format stuff seems right according to the osdi spec
L1182[20:49:33] <PewPew​Cricket> Sorry if this is another stupid question
L1183[20:49:41] <Hawk777> URL of the OSDI spec please?
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L1186[20:54:41] <lunar_sam> i realized i've never documented this, but when it prompts you for a type, prefixing a normal string with `*` will set it to a custom value, and you can use `#` to pass hex values
L1187[20:54:58] <lunar_sam> @PewPewCricket
L1188[20:55:04] <lunar_sam> also you're using s8 instead of c8
L1189[20:55:29] <lunar_sam> _also_ i need to edit the spec to remove the null terminated part since uh, yeah, that was stupid
L1190[20:58:29] <lunar_sam> https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Random-OC-Docs/blob/master/formats/osdi/1.1.md
L1191[21:02:34] <Corded> > <Iz​zy> was I this vaguely unpleasant 10 years ago?
L1192[21:02:34] <Spider ​EveryOS> I know I was very unpleasant, like, 3 years ago
L1193[21:02:35] <Spider ​EveryOS> I have changed a lot personality-wise while at college, I think
L1194[21:03:31] <lunar_sam> you'd want `<I4I4c8I3c13`
L1195[21:04:48] <Corded> > <Spider ​EveryOS> I know I was very unpleasant, like, 3 years ago
L1196[21:04:48] <Corded> I have chan…
L1197[21:04:48] <Mic​hiyo> I've came across memories on FB that have made me cringe... lol
L1198[21:11:34] <Forec​aster> Why would you do that to yourself, go on Facebook
L1199[21:13:41] <Forec​aster> The musk is doing it again... https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721682821201.jpg
L1200[21:14:28] <Forec​aster> Well the headline might come true I suppose
L1201[21:15:04] <Forec​aster> But will these robots do anything useful that necessitates "humanoid robots"? Unlikely.
L1202[21:17:30] <Kristo​pher38> I have irc logs starting from circa 2011-2012
L1203[21:17:42] <Kristo​pher38> back when I was in primary school
L1204[21:17:55] <Kristo​pher38> definitely not reading those ever
L1205[21:18:44] <Forec​aster> But then how are you going to know how far you've come
L1206[21:19:11] <Li​ly> Some things are best left unopened
L1207[21:19:18] <Li​ly> And also preferably stored in a lead-lined container
L1208[21:20:45] <Kristo​pher38> I don't have to read those to know that
L1209[21:21:23] <Kristo​pher38> it's also scary to think that I'm now twice as old as those logs
L1210[21:24:03] <Forec​aster> I guess you're keeping them so they can be used for engraving onto your tombstone later
L1211[21:24:24] <Kristo​pher38> I'm keeping them because I'm a data hoarder
L1212[21:26:21] <Li​ly> I'm guilty of that myself
L1213[21:29:21] <Forec​aster> That's crazy
L1214[21:29:21] <Forec​aster> *Struggles to hold door bulging with bytes falling on the sides shut*
L1215[21:29:32] <Kristo​pher38> well it's mostly for the story those files tell
L1216[21:29:38] <Forec​aster> * out on the sides shut*
L1217[21:29:49] <Kristo​pher38> each file and it's last modification date tells me what I was doing at that time
L1218[21:30:02] <Forec​aster> See? Perfect for engraving in stone for future generations
L1219[21:30:27] <Kristo​pher38> I still have my MS paint drawings from 2005 back when the only computer we had at home was pentium 133
L1220[21:38:27] <Corded> > <luna​r_sam> you'd want `<I4I4c8I3c13`
L1221[21:38:28] <PewPew​Cricket> 🙏
L1222[21:38:31] <PewPew​Cricket> Thank you
L1223[21:43:59] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Well the headline might come true I suppose
L1224[21:44:00] <Va​ur> Well boston dynamics have had those for a while
L1225[21:46:54] <PewPew​Cricket> its printing the volume label! https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721684814286.png
L1226[22:02:19] <ninte​ndo DS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjIgFmEaIpo ive uploaded it to youtube!
L1227[22:04:24] <Kristo​pher38> awesome!
L1228[22:04:47] <Kristo​pher38> looks like you're not using gpu buffers - I'd seriously recommend using these as they should provide a rendering speedup
L1229[22:05:04] <ninte​ndo DS> i see
L1230[22:05:18] <ninte​ndo DS> i mean this is version 0.7 so possibly i will add them
L1231[22:08:20] <Kristo​pher38> also is the music played in OC too or outside of the game?
L1232[22:09:32] <Li​ly> what block is /that/? https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721686172579.png
L1233[22:09:58] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> also is the music played in OC too or outside of the game?
L1234[22:09:58] <Li​ly> out-of-game, judging by quality and mouse movement.
L1235[22:11:13] <ninte​ndo DS> Yeah you are right
L1236[22:11:18] <ninte​ndo DS> I havent added sound yet
L1237[22:11:29] <ninte​ndo DS> Also i used OBS for recording
L1238[22:11:38] <Li​ly> You need Computronics for sound, fwiw
L1239[22:11:40] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> what block is /that/?
L1240[22:11:40] <ninte​ndo DS> Sound block
L1241[22:11:45] <Li​ly> Oh?
L1242[22:11:46] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> You need Computronics for sound, fwiw
L1243[22:11:46] <ninte​ndo DS> Ik
L1244[22:11:50] <Li​ly> From what mod?
L1245[22:12:00] <ninte​ndo DS> Opencomputers
L1246[22:12:06] <Li​ly> <:thwonk:1263060363436621835>
L1247[22:12:10] <Li​ly> I don't remember such a block
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L1249[22:12:24] <lily> I can certainly check but I highly doubt OC itself adds that
L1250[22:12:46] <ninte​ndo DS> Also if someone made an amiga mod tracker port to OC, i will instantly use it here
L1251[22:12:55] <lily> On an unrelated note, I wonder what happens if you try to shell someone who's not in tonk?
L1252[22:13:00] <lily> %greenshell thispersondoesnotexist
L1253[22:13:00] <MichiBot> li​ly: You can't snipe right now. Try again in 15 hours, 45 minutes and 33 seconds.
L1254[22:13:02] <lily> Aw.
L1255[22:15:11] <lily> %sip forbidden chocolate
L1256[22:15:11] <MichiBot> You drink a forbidden chocolate potion (New!). lily's skin turn the color of quicksilver until someone turns on a lamp and then off again.
L1257[22:15:24] <lily> ...Shouldn't that be 'turns'?
L1258[22:15:29] <lily> Hrm.
L1259[22:15:50] <Kristo​pher38> @nintendo DS just watched it running under mineOS, I think you should see similar performance under openOS as well if you use the gpu buffers
L1260[22:16:25] <ninte​ndo DS> i see
L1261[22:18:13] <Corded> > <Mich​iBot> You drink a forbidden chocolate potion (New!). lily's skin …
L1262[22:18:13] <Li​ly> That.. hm. Doesn't line up. https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721686693029.png
L1263[22:18:49] <Corded> > <Kristo​pher38> @nintendo DS just watched it running under mineOS, I think …
L1264[22:18:49] <ninte​ndo DS> This is rendering without an gpu btw
L1265[22:19:13] <Kristo​pher38> how so
L1266[22:19:21] <Li​ly> <:thwonk:1263060363436621835>
L1267[22:19:47] <Kristo​pher38> you can't display on a screen without a gpu (or an APU which has a gpu built in)
L1268[22:19:50] <Corded> > <Lilyfl​owerFDL> That.. hm. Doesn't line up.
L1269[22:19:51] <Li​ly> forecaster wrote the potion system, right?
L1270[22:20:02] <ninte​ndo DS> I know but it does not use the gpu
L1271[22:20:06] <ninte​ndo DS> At the most part
L1272[22:20:13] <ninte​ndo DS> Mine os does
L1273[22:20:27] <Jas​onS> How are you rendering
L1274[22:20:37] <Jas​onS> `print`?
L1275[22:20:51] <ninte​ndo DS> My own decoder engine
L1276[22:20:52] <Jas​onS> `print` uses the gpu under the hood
L1277[22:21:06] <ninte​ndo DS> I know
L1278[22:21:18] <ninte​ndo DS> It's just 12 am and i am tired
L1279[22:21:22] <Corded> > <ninte​ndo DS> My own decoder engine
L1280[22:21:22] <Jas​onS> But I mean, once you’ve determined what to display, how do you tell the screen to display that
L1281[22:21:34] <Jas​onS> What function(s)/API do you use
L1282[22:21:42] <ninte​ndo DS> Computer and gpu
L1283[22:21:49] <ninte​ndo DS> Possibly timer
L1284[22:22:10] <Li​ly> So you DO use a gpu
L1285[22:22:12] <ninte​ndo DS> I will do the gpu buffer soon
L1286[22:22:31] <ninte​ndo DS> Kind of like blitz
L1287[22:23:03] <ninte​ndo DS> +on the X16
L1288[22:23:46] <ninte​ndo DS> Also here's a weird fact
L1289[22:23:53] <ninte​ndo DS> It runs better on the creatix
L1290[22:25:16] <lily> Oh god I just realized I've been in #oc for nearly four years now
L1291[22:25:25] <lily> (at LEAST!)
L1292[22:25:33] <Corded> > <Cor​ded> prisma ha​s joined #oc on IRC
L1293[22:25:33] <Li​ly> Two months off but it's close enough.
L1294[22:25:33] <ninte​ndo DS> Congrats
L1295[22:25:36] <PewPew​Cricket> line 74 how can i do this without the stupud out of range thing https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721687136173.png
L1296[22:25:43] <PewPew​Cricket> i can only go up to 16
L1297[22:26:29] <PewPew​Cricket> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721687189109.png
L1298[22:27:45] <Hawk777> Why are you trying to read a very very very large integer?
L1299[22:28:08] <PewPew​Cricket> im setting my offset
L1300[22:28:10] <Li​ly> What even *is* "integral size out of limits"?
L1301[22:28:13] <PewPew​Cricket> note the X
L1302[22:28:45] <Hawk777> That sets the *ALIGNMENT*.
L1303[22:29:04] <Corded> > <PewPew​Cricket> line 74 how can i do this without the stupud out of range t…
L1304[22:29:04] <ninte​ndo DS> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51664697/how-to-get-the-range-of-integers-supported-by-lua i guess this can help you
L1305[22:29:19] <Hawk777> Why the heck aren’t you just using the third parameter to string.unpack?
L1306[22:29:27] <PewPew​Cricket> wait
L1307[22:29:47] <Hawk777> (Unrelated other question, why the heck are you re-reading the sector from disk 17 times)
L1308[22:30:21] <Corded> > <Cor​ded> PrismaticYT ha​s joined #oc on IRC
L1309[22:30:21] <Li​ly> oh god. no, four years is too young. it's six. at least.
L1310[22:30:38] <lily> ...I've been here a LONG time.
L1311[22:32:20] <ninte​ndo DS> Wish i have the source code for this https://youtu.be/i-x9DjqvxeM
L1312[22:38:51] <Kristo​pher38> do you own a gravis ultrasound card?
L1313[22:59:29] <ninte​ndo DS> Nope
L1314[23:27:07] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L1315[23:27:07] <MichiBot> Awesome! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 5 hours, 14 minutes and 8 seconds (By 55 minutes and 57 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1316[23:27:08] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points! plus 0.01 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 2.56219092, Position #1
L1317[23:27:28] <Va​ur> %sip
L1318[23:27:28] <MichiBot> You drink a steady redstone potion (New!). Vaur turns into an unobtanium horse girl until their next sip of water.
L1319[23:28:42] <lily> TIL that the debug menu reduces your FPS /significantly/.
L1320[23:29:07] <lily> and the only reason I found out was... coil whine!
L1321[23:29:42] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@p200300eaef1dca00d2c7b7574f1080ce.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L1322[23:30:50] <Va​ur> As a debug option would
L1323[23:32:59] <PewPew​Cricket> BIOS is reading partition table https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721691178783.png
L1324[23:40:16] <PewPew​Cricket> YES https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721691615873.png
L1325[23:40:38] <PewPew​Cricket> It only puts partitions that are valid entries in the array
L1326[23:44:39] <Amanda> %choose zzzmews?
L1327[23:44:40] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A faraway lamp replies something inaudible.
L1328[23:44:53] <Spider ​EveryOS> I got myself a new book (: https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1721691892827.jpg
L1329[23:45:24] <Amanda> Shame my petition was destroyed by MichiBot
L1330[23:45:40] <Spider ​EveryOS> Petition?
L1331[23:45:43] <Amanda> But I'm ducking exhausted, so night girls
L1332[23:46:09] * Amanda fishes Elfi out of the coffee cup, curls up around her to zzzmew
L1333[23:46:51] <Amanda> My petition to give all lamps megaphones was destroyed by MichiBot elsewhere
L1334[23:46:58] <Spider ​EveryOS> Cya
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