L1[00:14:09] <Amanda> Oh hey, I just have
that "fore no!" Sticker available in my keyboard forever
now I guess:
L2[00:14:14] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/v3/download/camnet.site/RgkhepYLmjkljRjmcDEtKhlq/Screenshot_20240515-201348.png
L3[00:18:02] <Corded> > <Amanda>
https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/v3/download/camnet���
L4[00:18:02] 
<Spider
EveryOS> Wait, is that element? Does element support IRC?
<Spider
EveryOS> Wait, is that element? Does element support IRC?L5[00:18:36] <Lizzy> if you run a bridge,
yes ( i think )
L6[00:19:26] <Amanda> Kinda, I use
heisenbridge which is basically an IRC bouncer that speaks to
matrix instead of another IRC client for the ui
L7[00:20:51] <Spider
EveryOS> Ah, that makes sense
<Spider
EveryOS> Ah, that makes senseL8[00:22:10] <Amanda> Oh nice, buildinfo
supports showing an overlay of a conveyer network. That would have
been helpful when I was going nuts wondering why my mining ships
weren't emptying into the base
L9[00:22:28] <Amanda> "/bi
cn"
L10[00:23:46] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/v3/download/camnet.site/qDUZgHuGNetHjjfwPKMHHAjA/244850_20240515202312_1.png
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L12[02:36:40] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/tH6jl5m8UQAwkM3GpKE93ucjxTLL6MiiYtdRfgtv/d8b0f032-4920-4d33-8669-0c21de84f2aa.png
L13[02:36:43] <lunar_sam> soon
L14[03:00:28] *
Amanda curls up around Elfi, sets up the AA defenses in case fore
gets the urge to shell us again, dudes a heccen zzzmew
L15[03:00:35] <Amanda> Night girls
L16[03:24:34] <lily> is
`component.isAvailable` available to EEPROMs?
L17[03:32:56] <Ocawesome101> no
<Ocawesome101> noL18[03:38:19] <lily> damn
L19[03:45:20] <Spider
EveryOS> %tonk
<Spider
EveryOS> %tonkL20[03:45:21] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Spider
EveryOS, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 11 hours,
10 minutes and 47 seconds this time. 4 hours, 14 minutes and 9
seconds were wasted! Missed by 6 hours, 56 minutes and 37
seconds!
L21[03:45:49] <Spider
EveryOS> Wait, oh
<Spider
EveryOS> Wait, ohL22[03:47:35] <Lilirine>
there must be an easier way to debug EEPROMs, since this gives me
no indication of where it failed https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715831254512.png
<Lilirine>
there must be an easier way to debug EEPROMs, since this gives me
no indication of where it failed https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715831254512.pngL23[03:48:00] <Lilirine>
...guess I can add some `computer.shutdown()` statements all over
the place
<Lilirine>
...guess I can add some `computer.shutdown()` statements all over
the placeL24[03:49:43] <Lilirine>
ah! the problem is I am a dumbass
<Lilirine>
ah! the problem is I am a dumbassL25[04:00:51] <lunar_sam> i realized i
don't need a full minitel stack just for frequest in my BIOS
L26[04:01:14] <lunar_sam> i could do
something very Cursed
L27[04:05:47] <Lilirine>
IT FUCKING WORKS https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715832346922.png
<Lilirine>
IT FUCKING WORKS https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715832346922.pngL28[04:05:49] <Lilirine>
I T W O R K S
<Lilirine>
I T W O R K SL29[04:06:10] <Lilirine>
one of the few times I'm happy to see it crash
<Lilirine>
one of the few times I'm happy to see it crashL30[04:08:19] <Lilirine>
just have to slap an implementation of `getBootAddress` in there
for legacy booting and it's golden
<Lilirine>
just have to slap an implementation of `getBootAddress` in there
for legacy booting and it's goldenL31[04:08:37] ⇦
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L32[04:10:06] <Lilirine>
...now to test HTTP(S) boot
<Lilirine>
...now to test HTTP(S) bootL33[04:15:25] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL34[04:15:26] <MichiBot> You drink a
boiling currentcorn potion (New!). Forecaster turns into a
dalekanium turtle until they have a knifey jumbonium potion.
L35[04:15:50] <Forecaster> Dangit
<Forecaster> DangitL36[04:16:36] <Corded> >
<Lilirine> ...now to test HTTP(S) boot
L37[04:16:37] <Lilirine>
"why isn't it worki- oh I forgot to put the internet card
in"
<Lilirine>
"why isn't it worki- oh I forgot to put the internet card
in"L38[04:17:44] <Lilirine>
90-95% of all bugs can be summed up to accidental dumbassery
<Lilirine>
90-95% of all bugs can be summed up to accidental dumbasseryL39[04:19:16] <Lilirine>
oh it doesn't follow 3xx automatically, right
<Lilirine>
oh it doesn't follow 3xx automatically, rightL40[04:19:18] <Lilirine>
works now tho!
<Lilirine>
works now tho!L41[04:22:55] <Corded> >
<Flameingsoul> Darn
L42[04:22:55] <Forecaster> You were pretty close
<Forecaster> You were pretty closeL43[04:23:05] <Forecaster> Now you're out of attempts
though
<Forecaster> Now you're out of attempts
thoughL44[04:23:24] <Forecaster> %tonkattempts
<Forecaster> %tonkattemptsL45[04:23:24] <MichiBot> You have 2
attempts left.
L46[04:24:14] <Corded> >
<Forecaster> Now you're out of attempts though
L47[04:24:14] <Lilirine>
...Does an invalid code *also* count as an attempt?
<Lilirine>
...Does an invalid code *also* count as an attempt?L48[04:25:21] <Corded> >
<Lilirine> just have to slap an implementation of
`getBootAddress` in …
L49[04:25:21] <Lilirine>
...or do I?
<Lilirine>
...or do I?L50[04:25:46] <Lilirine>
Since there won't *be* a boot address, at least not like how the
default EEPROM sets it
<Lilirine>
Since there won't *be* a boot address, at least not like how the
default EEPROM sets itL51[04:26:07] <Corded> >
<Lilirine> ...Does an invalid code *also* count as an
attempt?
L52[04:26:07] <Forecaster> No
<Forecaster> NoL53[04:26:32] <Lilirine>
Then wait, what makes them out of attempts if each person gets
two
<Lilirine>
Then wait, what makes them out of attempts if each person gets
twoL54[04:27:12] <Lilirine>
Wouldn't they still have one left?
<Lilirine>
Wouldn't they still have one left?L55[04:27:34] <Forecaster> https://discord.com/channels/125649403162656768/125649403162656768/1240284053941391400
<Forecaster> https://discord.com/channels/125649403162656768/125649403162656768/1240284053941391400L56[04:27:44] <Lilirine>
Ohhh, I missed that
<Lilirine>
Ohhh, I missed thatL57[04:33:45] <Lilirine>
...the default EEPROM doesn't set `require`, right?
<Lilirine>
...the default EEPROM doesn't set `require`, right?L58[04:34:09] <Lilirine>
actually no, it doesn't, because booting from a filesystem works
fine
<Lilirine>
actually no, it doesn't, because booting from a filesystem works
fineL59[04:34:15] <Lilirine>
so... what the *fuck* https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715834054801.png
<Lilirine>
so... what the *fuck* https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715834054801.pngL60[04:35:43] <Lilirine>
How... How the fuck?
<Lilirine>
How... How the fuck?L61[04:35:57] <Lilirine>
How did I somehow *exclude `require`*
<Lilirine>
How did I somehow *exclude `require`*L62[04:36:05] <Lilirine>
Nothing I do even MENTIONS it
<Lilirine>
Nothing I do even MENTIONS itL63[04:36:39] <Lilirine>
and it works fine when booting from filesystem
<Lilirine>
and it works fine when booting from filesystemL64[04:48:01] <Lilirine>
...is `component.internet.request` *supposed* to return nil,
ever?
<Lilirine>
...is `component.internet.request` *supposed* to return nil,
ever?L65[04:53:50] <Lilirine>
IT WORKS
<Lilirine>
IT WORKSL66[04:53:54] <Lilirine>
I T W O R K S
<Lilirine>
I T W O R K SL67[04:59:11] <lily> - why would you want
to boot off the internet?
L68[04:59:13] <lily> no idea but it's
coo
L69[04:59:16] <lily> s/coo/cool
L70[04:59:17] <MichiBot> <lily> no
idea but it's cool
L71[05:44:12] <Izzy> booting from the
internet would be useful for dev on a drone
L72[05:45:41] <Lilirine>
oh shit good point actually
<Lilirine>
oh shit good point actuallyL73[05:46:05] <Izzy> would be useful for a
part of a more general bootloader too
L74[05:46:17] <Izzy> like how some machines
can do recovery images from the internet
L75[05:46:29] <Izzy> wonder if you could
cram a rica client into an EEPROM...
L76[05:52:01] <Lilirine>
rica?
<Lilirine>
rica?L77[05:53:35] <lily> also this /is/
technically a general bootloader
L78[05:53:49] <lily> (it supports legacy
boot, filesystem boot, and PXE netboot)
L79[05:54:13] <lily> and with 1822
characters left over, I could *probably* cram a GRUN-like
bootloader in
L80[05:54:19] <lily> s/GRUN/GRUB
L81[05:54:19] <MichiBot> <lily> and
with 1822 characters left over, I could *probably* cram a GRUB-like
bootloader in
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L84[06:07:29] zsh
sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L85[06:19:38] <Izzy> rica = "remote
internet card access" - shares an internet card's HTTP stuff
over RPC
L87[06:28:02] <Izzy> (and presents it as a
vcomponent, so you can use it with oppm and such)
L88[06:28:49] <lily> ah
L89[06:28:50] <lily> neat
L90[06:29:01] <lily> also:
vcomponent?
L91[06:29:08] <Izzy> virtual
component
L92[06:29:12] <lily> is that like... nbd
but for components
L93[06:29:14] <lily> and over minitel
L94[06:29:14] <Izzy> vcomponent is the
"standard" library to create them
L95[06:29:27] <Izzy> https://github.com/OpenPrograms/gamax92-Programs/blob/master/vcomponent/vcomponent.lua
L96[06:29:36] <Izzy> everyone uses it
because it just works
L97[06:29:39] <lily> oh it's not minitel
specific?
L98[06:29:42] <Izzy> nop
L99[06:29:43] <lily> it's just something
standardized
L100[06:30:00] <Izzy> it even works
outside of OpenOS with a little bit of trimming
L101[06:30:33] <Izzy> for my thinger to
netboot OpenOS, it's running at just above the BIOS level, and I
include it in PsychOS too
L102[06:30:37] <lily> hm, wonder if
netbios can boot psychos
L103[06:30:45] <lily> how does psychos
boot?
L104[06:30:46] <lily> init.lua?
L105[06:31:04] <Izzy> nominally you load a
kernel yes
L106[06:31:15] <Izzy> and you can include
a lot in it, if you want
L107[06:31:36] <lily> "a"
kernel?
L108[06:31:54] <lily> there's
multiple?
L109[06:32:19] <Izzy> there's two packaged
versions and you can include an arbitrary set of modules if you
want to build your own
L110[06:32:24] <lily> ah
L111[06:32:53] <Izzy> (the difference
between the base and full kernels is the full kernel includes the
libraries and services to boot from rtfs)
L112[06:33:17] <lily> I read that as ntfs
lmao
L113[06:33:26] <Izzy> no it's much more
cursed than ntfs
L114[06:33:36] <lily> ...hm. could you do
NTFS in OC
L115[06:33:36] <Izzy> related,
though!
L116[06:33:48] <lily> you could absolutely
do FAT with the filesystem sizes
L117[06:34:03] <lily> hell, those are the
kinds of sizes it was DESIGNED for
L118[06:35:10] <lily> Izzy: wait,
related?
L119[06:35:50] <Izzy> well you know how
NTFS and NT in general is kind of a clone of work that was
happening at DEC?
L120[06:36:15] <lily> ...no, but I do
now!
L121[06:36:23] <Izzy> :D
L122[06:36:40] <Izzy> so the filesystem in
VMS has a lot of design work taken from previous DEC operating
systems, as one would expect
L123[06:37:04] <Izzy> meanwhile, rtfs is a
mutant clone of the RT-11 filesystem
L124[06:38:21] <lily> ah
L125[06:38:33] <lily> ...have you written
anything that /isn't/ cursed?
L126[06:38:42] <lily> Have /any/ of us
here, actually
L127[06:38:49] <Izzy> I think Minitel
itself is rather elegant, personally
L128[06:38:52] <lily> I'd wager a good bet
the answer is "hahaha, funny joke"
L129[06:39:17] <lily> ive never actually
used minitel, I probably should
L130[06:39:24] <lily> hm.... I wonder if I
can add minitel support to netbios?
L131[06:40:02] <lily> Can I cram minitel
in about 1600 characters?
L132[06:40:14] <lily> 1822 left, and I'd
need some for the loader itself
L133[06:40:37] <Izzy> hmm, just
about
L134[06:41:03] <Izzy> microtel layer 3 is
1361 bytes, 4 is 167, 5 depends on what you need
L135[06:41:19] <Izzy> (and if you're doing
RPC you don't need layer 4 even)
L136[06:41:38] <lily> what would I need 5
for?
L137[06:41:47] <Izzy> layer 5 implements
sockets
L138[06:41:50] <Lilirine>
ah
<Lilirine>
ahL139[06:41:56] <Lilirine>
...maybe? depends
<Lilirine>
...maybe? dependsL140[06:42:08] <lily> let me, uh, slap
what I do rn on pastebin
L141[06:42:18] <Izzy> has a separate file
for the core, open, listen, and flisten
L142[06:42:24] <Izzy> so you can only
include what you need
L143[06:42:36] <Izzy> but again, RPC
operates on top of layer 3, so you don't really need any :p
L145[06:43:07] <lily> `__BIOS_PXE` is
default true, but if any other method is used it's false
L146[06:43:15] <lily> the order is
internet, filesystem, legacy filesystem, PXE
L147[06:43:52] <lily> but really only one
will ever be valid
L148[06:44:06] <lily> given the first
three are dependent on what's in the EEPROM data
L149[06:44:28] <Izzy> I don't have a
clean-enough-to-share netboot thing unfortunately
L150[06:44:42] <lily> also,
`component.modem` /is/ valid here (I add some of the syntactic
sugar, but in a slightly different way)
L151[06:44:58] <lily> I just proxy-list in
an __index metamethod
L152[06:46:08] <lily> which, now that I
think about it
L153[06:46:19] <lily> EEPROMs without a
data field will default to PXE
L154[06:46:43] <Izzy> I need to rework the
SKS EHBIOS some time
L155[06:46:47] <lily> ...but if you're
using netbios in a fresh machine, that's probably what you want
anyway.
L156[06:46:48] <lily> EHBIOS?
L157[06:46:54] <Izzy> Enhanced BIOS
L158[06:46:56] <lily> Ah
L159[06:47:16] <Izzy> I want to support
booting from specific partitions, rather than just specific block
devices
L160[06:47:17] <lily> what's that offer,
over regular?
L161[06:47:19] <lily> ah
L162[06:47:23] <lily> it's psychOS
specific?
L163[06:47:27] <Izzy> no
L164[06:47:47] <Izzy> currently it
supports booting from ordinary filesystem components, and
mtpt-partitioned drives and tape drives
L165[06:47:48] <lily> ah
L166[06:47:53] <lily> ...mtpt?
L167[06:48:16] <Izzy> https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-misc/src/branch/master/partition
L168[06:48:21] <lily> ah
L169[06:48:36] <Izzy> you know me I like
my software too stupid to fail
L170[06:48:49] <Izzy> and mtpt can coexist
with all the other OC partition table formats I've found
L171[06:48:57] <Izzy> because it lives at
the end of the disk rather than the start
L172[06:49:06] <lily> sounds like a bad
case of NIH syndrome /j
L173[06:49:33] <Izzy> eh, at the time the
only standard was wildly complicated
L174[06:49:47] <lily> I'm mildly surprised
there's a standard at all
L175[06:49:58] <lily> With OC there's
either zero or like, fifteen competing standards
L176[06:50:13] <lily> It all ends up
becoming a
L177[06:50:16] <lily> %xkcd 927
L178[06:50:17] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name:
Standards URL: https://xkcd.com/927
L179[06:50:46] <Izzy> mmmh
L180[06:51:10] <Izzy> lunar_sam has
written tools that understand both OSDI and mtpt
L181[06:51:19] <lily> hmm, I should add
extension support to netbios
L182[06:51:30] <Izzy> we should really
look into publishing those coreutils packages...
L183[06:51:35] <lily> oh?
L184[06:51:58] <Corded> > <lily>
hmm, I should add extension support to netbios
L185[06:51:58] <Lilirine>
but where should I load extensions from
<Lilirine>
but where should I load extensions fromL186[06:52:03] <Lilirine>
floppies? the internet? tapes?
<Lilirine>
floppies? the internet? tapes?L187[06:52:07] <Lilirine>
some combination of the above?
<Lilirine>
some combination of the above?L188[06:52:15] <Izzy> sam suggested
picking some software for a coreutils metapackage
L189[06:52:22] <Lilirine>
ah
<Lilirine>
ahL190[06:52:27] <Izzy> fdisk, mtar, that
sort of thing
L191[06:58:11] <Izzy> https://cdn.shadowkat.net/media/c7e4b2bff7c959488eeec61b848dc62a3b9b59115846487889e4152e55353ab8.png
L192[07:02:01] <Hawk777> Ah, coexisting
partition formats! Perfect, now I can put two partition tables on
the same disk but make the partitions different between them, so
that any given tool randomly sees the same disk as one of two
completely different shapes!
L193[07:02:48] <Izzy> excellent, isn't it?
:D
L194[07:03:06] <Izzy> just wait till you
find out about the utility that can present a file on an rtfs
filesystem as its own partition
L195[07:03:17] <Izzy> to allow booting
directly from the filesystem
L196[07:03:23] <Hawk777> You invented a
loopback device?
L197[07:03:37] <Izzy> no, you
misunderstand
L198[07:03:41] <Izzy> it adds it to the
partition table
L199[07:03:43] <Hawk777> Ah.
L200[07:03:49] <Izzy> so the bootloader
can load from a file without having to understand the
filesystem
L201[07:03:55] <Hawk777> That is rather
cursed. And fails as soon as the filesystem relocates the
extents.
L202[07:04:14] <Hawk777> Kinda like the
old LILO “embed the block numbers of the file” approach.
L203[07:04:26] <Izzy> entirely right
L204[07:04:47] <Izzy> but that's why you
use it in addition to an actual boot partition
L205[07:05:04] <Izzy> so if you forget to
update it when you update the kernel you can still boot your
system
L206[07:05:24] <lunar_sam> Izzy: mtar,
fdisk, cpio, minitel
L207[07:05:25] <Hawk777> So… if you have
to have a separate boot partition for emergency purposes, why not
just always use that and not bother with the file-as-partition at
all?
L208[07:06:02] <Izzy> because I wanted to
see if I could do it :D
L209[07:06:09] <Hawk777> Good
reason!
L210[07:06:12] <lily> It's not about the
why
L211[07:06:15] <lily> It's about the why
not
L212[07:06:26] <Izzy> more seriously, if
you were very storage constrained (EEPROM card?) it would be
convenient
L213[07:06:32] <lily> EEPROM *card*?
L214[07:06:37] <Izzy> especially because
you won't be updating those filesystems often
L215[07:06:45] <Izzy> hey lunar_sam you
arrived at just the right time
L216[07:07:04] <lily> There's an addon
that adds flashcards?
L217[07:07:34] <lunar_sam> it kinda
works
L218[07:07:42] <lunar_sam> lmao
L219[07:07:50] <lily> "kinda
works" story of modding ain't it
L220[07:08:08] <lily> 90% of my modding
problems boil down to "I'm a dumbass"
L221[07:08:34] <Izzy> I wish I got to that
stage q_q
L222[07:08:36] <lily> 9 out of 10 bugs
occur in Layer 8
L223[07:09:01] <Izzy> java melts my brain,
couldn't work out how to put 4 T2 GPUs on one T3 card
L224[07:09:32] <lily> ...what
L225[07:09:56] <Izzy> a T3 GPU has more
VRAM than 4 T2 GPUs so it seemed very fair to me
L226[07:10:04] <Hawk777> Reminds me of a
couple of other cursed disk things I know of.
L227[07:10:05] <Hawk777> The first is that
apparently you can write a GPT (I think it is) to a storage device,
which contains one partition, where that partition is actually *the
entire disk* (including the partition table itself), which some
OSes recognize as an “I don’t want a partition table” partition
table and then uses the entire disk as a filesystem in a way that
avoids the partition table.
L228[07:10:05] <Hawk777> The second is the
absolutely batsh** insane result of doing an in-place ext4-to-btrfs
conversion, which is, IIRC, that you end up with a filesystem that
is simultaneously both a valid ext4 filesystem *and* a valid btrfs
filesystem, *and continues to be so* if you use it as btrfs (with
the btrfs filesystem continuing to evolve and the ext4 being a
snapshot as it was at the moment you converted it), *AND ALSO* the
btrfs filesystem contain
L229[07:10:05] <Hawk777> ile the size of
the entire partition that contains it, inside of which is an image
of the ext4 filesystem that you originally converted. If you want
to abandon the conversion, you can just mount the filesystem as
ext4 and it carries on working while destroying the btrfs metadata.
If you want to commit the conversion, you just delete the file
containing the ext4 disk image, which destroys the ext4 metadata
and gives you back the disk spa
L230[07:10:05] <Hawk777> used to
consume.
L231[07:10:15] <lily> Izzy: How... did you
think that was going to work?
L232[07:10:22] <lily> four T2s on a T3
that is
L233[07:10:33] <Izzy> I don't understand
the question
L234[07:10:40] <Izzy> I want 4 T2 GPUs on
a T3 card
L235[07:10:45] <lily> how do you put four
graphics cards on one graphics card
L236[07:10:56] <Izzy> but I couldn't
figure out how to register the other three to the component
network
L237[07:10:56] <lily> or one T3 card in
general
L238[07:11:02] <lily> oh wait
L239[07:11:04] <Izzy> actually, I couldn't
figure out how to register a single component
L240[07:11:10] <lily> could each GPU have
been bound to a screen?
L241[07:11:18] <lily> tbf I just ripped it
out of computronics
L242[07:11:19] <Izzy> yes that is the
appeal
L243[07:11:22] <lunar_sam> regardless,
EEPROM cards Should work, though I was last working on SoCs
L244[07:11:28] <lily> So... SLI with extra
steps?
L245[07:11:56] <Izzy> I want 4 GPUs on a
single card so a T3 server can support 13 terminals plus a network
card
L246[07:12:03] <lunar_sam> also, WORM
discs were another thing i wanna do
L247[07:12:06] <lily> WORM?
L248[07:12:18] <JasonS>
write-once-read-many
<JasonS>
write-once-read-manyL249[07:12:21] <lily> Also, do I want to
ask what you needed 13 terminals for?
L250[07:12:31] <lily> I'm going to guess
DSS2 or whateveritwascalled
L251[07:12:38] <Izzy> that is the primary
appeal yes
L252[07:12:47] <Corded> > <lily>
9 out of 10 bugs occur in Layer 8
L253[07:12:47] <JasonS> 9
out of 10 bugs originate between the keyboard and the chair.
<JasonS> 9
out of 10 bugs originate between the keyboard and the chair.L254[07:12:49] <Izzy> but also like, it'd
just be convenient to be able to run 4 displays on my
workstation
L255[07:12:51] <lunar_sam> Izzy: also^2
OSSM needs a card writer
L256[07:13:12] <lunar_sam> for writing to
the flash modules and such
L257[07:13:34] <JasonS>
How do discord replies look on the IRC side? Does the reply
mechanic work correctly?
<JasonS>
How do discord replies look on the IRC side? Does the reply
mechanic work correctly?L258[07:13:37] <lily> Ye
L259[07:13:39] <lunar_sam> also might as
well make it able to write 8K EEPROMs :v
L260[07:13:41] <Izzy> oh lily it may be a
slightly important detail that PsychOS both supports multiple
physical terminals, and multiple virtual terminals per physical
terminal
L261[07:13:50] <lily> how do the vterms
work
L262[07:14:07] <lunar_sam> i'm still
(slowly) working on a simple filesystem
L263[07:14:11] <Izzy> VRAM buffers
L264[07:14:22] <Lilirine>
ah
<Lilirine>
ahL265[07:14:28] <Lilirine>
..wait, doesn't OC just have those no
<Lilirine>
..wait, doesn't OC just have those noL266[07:14:30] <Lilirine>
* now
<Lilirine>
* nowL267[07:14:39] <Izzy> it does, but OpenOS
doesn't know how to use them
L268[07:14:55] <lunar_sam> yep
L269[07:15:00] <Izzy> writes go to either
the framebuffer, if it's the active virtual terminal, or a VRAM
buffer
L270[07:15:17] <lily> ah
L271[07:15:35] <Izzy> when you change, it
copies the active one to a buffer, copies the other one to the
framebuffer, and changes the plumbing so writes get directed
correctly
L272[07:15:36] <lunar_sam> that also
reminds me, i wanted to make something that acts like OpenOS but
with better support for unmanaged drives :v
L273[07:16:08] <lily> does openos support
them at all
L274[07:16:21] <Izzy> not natively
L275[07:16:35] <Izzy> https://cdn.shadowkat.net/media/098f4104601d150620507d3879566dbe2dbdd4c2cdcb9fcb3b616896582f6b7d.png
L276[07:17:37] <lunar_sam> both solutions
(one implemented as seen above and one planned) are kinda hacks
:p
L277[07:17:47] <Corded> >
<lunar_sam> that also reminds me, i wanted to make something
that acts …
L278[07:17:47] <JasonS>
You could write a filesystem driver and hook it into OpenOS with a
custom `init.lua` and/or custom EEPROM
<JasonS>
You could write a filesystem driver and hook it into OpenOS with a
custom `init.lua` and/or custom EEPROML279[07:17:58] <Izzy> yup, done that
L280[07:18:05] <lunar_sam> ~my plan is to
just completely replace the init~
L281[07:19:09] <lunar_sam> i'm using my
BIOS (ziptie) to load a bootloader partition which loads the init
and provides a `readfile` function that the init can use to load
OpenOS
L282[07:19:23] <lunar_sam> i coulda used
vcomponent but oh well :p
L283[07:19:29] <lily> Does ziptie support
internet boot?
L284[07:19:31] <lily> :^)
L285[07:20:22] <lunar_sam> no because a
good portion is taken up by a minitel stack
L286[07:20:26] <lunar_sam> :p
L287[07:20:56] <lunar_sam> (just so it can
use frequest for LAN booting)
L288[07:21:15] <Lilirine>
ah
<Lilirine>
ahL289[07:21:30] <lunar_sam> theoretically
you could use that to internet boot since i expose the config API,
among other things
L290[07:21:41] <Lilirine>
netbios supports PXE too, but with a much smaller setup
<Lilirine>
netbios supports PXE too, but with a much smaller setupL291[07:21:53] <lunar_sam> though i will
be replacing the full minitel stack with a hackjob to make it Just
Work
L292[07:22:06] <Corded> >
<Lilirine> https://pastebin.com/HCBY64ff
L293[07:22:07] <Lilirine>
see here
<Lilirine>
see hereL294[07:22:08] <Izzy> I should really make
an embedded RPC implementation
L295[07:22:13] <lunar_sam> (and reduce the
size of the BIOS)
L296[07:22:27] <Izzy> I bet it'd be a lot
smaller to boot from an mtfs share than use frequest
L297[07:22:32] <Lilirine>
*M*TFS?
<Lilirine>
*M*TFS?L298[07:22:43] <Lilirine>
...minitel FS?
<Lilirine>
...minitel FS?L299[07:22:44] <Izzy> shared filesystems
over minitel RPC
L300[07:23:04] <lunar_sam> https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/ziptie
L301[07:23:22] <Izzy> https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/tree/master/MTFS
L302[07:23:39] <lunar_sam> Izzy: i bet i
could make a tiny frequest implementation without a real minitel
stack
L304[07:24:57] <lunar_sam> here's the
atrocity that is my current frequest implementation
L305[07:24:59] <lunar_sam> https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/ziptie/blob/master/src/extra/frequest.lua
L306[07:25:20] <Lilirine>
yours isn't monolithic?
<Lilirine>
yours isn't monolithic?L307[07:25:55] <Izzy> the other advantage
of using mtfs is that you wouldn't need specific netboot logic
beyond getting a component proxy, after you do that you can treat
it as an ordinary filesystem
L308[07:25:59] <Lilirine>
(your BIOS, I mean)
<Lilirine>
(your BIOS, I mean)L309[07:26:09] <lunar_sam> see, i use a
preprocessor i made to turn it into one file :p
L310[07:26:13] <Izzy> ... which would make
netbooting PsychOS more desirable, now that I think about it
L311[07:26:27] <lunar_sam> https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/ziptie/blob/master/bios.lua
L312[07:26:32] <Izzy> you'd only actually
need to export one path
L313[07:26:33] <Izzy> hmhmhmhmhm
L314[07:26:41] <lunar_sam> i also use the
opportunity to compress the BIOS
L315[07:27:05] <lunar_sam> (this has been
my gimmick for the last few BIOS attempts)
L316[07:29:23] <lunar_sam> sidenote, if i
take a while to respond, it's because i'm _currently_ at work
L317[07:32:54] <Lilirine>
In unrelated news, why can my brain not remember important Things
To Do, but CAN remember... which members of `#oc` are least likely
to use discord?
<Lilirine>
In unrelated news, why can my brain not remember important Things
To Do, but CAN remember... which members of `#oc` are least likely
to use discord?L318[07:33:12] <Lilirine>
For... some reason?
<Lilirine>
For... some reason?L319[07:33:21] <Izzy> your brain only
remembers important things
L320[07:33:24] *
Izzy nods
L321[07:34:20] <Lilirine>
I think my brain's definition of important is...
<Lilirine>
I think my brain's definition of important is...L322[07:34:28] <Lilirine>
a little skewed.
<Lilirine>
a little skewed.L323[07:35:04] <Corded> >
<Lilirine> In unrelated news, why can my brain not remember
important …
L324[07:35:04] <Lilirine>
(the answer is... actually the only real person I know that
vehemently refuses to use discord - and is a permanent resident
here - is Izzy)
<Lilirine>
(the answer is... actually the only real person I know that
vehemently refuses to use discord - and is a permanent resident
here - is Izzy)L325[07:35:15] <Lilirine>
To be fair, can't blame you
<Lilirine>
To be fair, can't blame youL326[07:35:17] <lunar_sam> i use discord
in other places but i prefer to use XMPP :v
L327[07:35:21] <Corded> >
<Lilirine> In unrelated news, why can my brain not remember
important …
L328[07:35:21] <JasonS>
Remembering to do things and remembering certain facts are
completely different types of memory. I have ADHD, and that means
my abilities with regard to the former type of memory are
abysmal.
<JasonS>
Remembering to do things and remembering certain facts are
completely different types of memory. I have ADHD, and that means
my abilities with regard to the former type of memory are
abysmal.L329[07:35:23] <Lilirine>
IRC is going away never
<Lilirine>
IRC is going away neverL330[07:35:32] <Corded> >
<JasonS> Remembering to do things and remembering certain
facts are …
L331[07:35:32] <Lilirine>
ADHD gang
<Lilirine>
ADHD gangL332[07:35:55] <lily> You could wipe out
the entire internet as we know it, and someone would STILL be
running an IRC server in their garage
L333[07:36:01] <Izzy> oh is that an ADHD
thing?
L334[07:36:09] <JasonS>
Yeah it is
<JasonS>
Yeah it isL335[07:36:13] <lily> apparently
:ioa:
L336[07:36:16] *
Izzy chuckles
L337[07:36:18] <Izzy> I in danger
L338[07:36:23] <Izzy> ... close
enough
L339[07:36:42] <Lilirine>
There's a reason this server is in my "nerd central"
folder
<Lilirine>
There's a reason this server is in my "nerd central"
folderL340[07:36:53] <lunar_sam> i personally
find conversations to be nicer than discord mobile
L341[07:37:01] <JasonS>
Normally you can keep in mind the things you need to do, but ADHD
interferes with attention control so you can’t keep things in your
mind like that unless you focus on absolutely nothing else
<JasonS>
Normally you can keep in mind the things you need to do, but ADHD
interferes with attention control so you can’t keep things in your
mind like that unless you focus on absolutely nothing elseL342[07:37:07] <Izzy> as a sidenote, I now
have two physical locations for my "homelab"
network
L343[07:37:08] <lunar_sam> ... and even
gaijim better than discord desktop
L344[07:37:20] <Izzy> I've been meaning to
set up an IRC net over the VPN
L345[07:38:01] <Izzy> apparently prosody
can do high availability by just ... running multiple copies
against the same database too
L346[07:38:05] <Izzy> so I might do that
some time
L347[07:38:06] <Izzy> just for fun
L348[07:38:18] <Izzy> it's basically free
to run after all
L349[07:38:55] <lily> the venn diagram of
people in #oc and people with ADHD is basically a circle, huh
L350[07:39:23] <JasonS> It
*does* feel like that lol
<JasonS> It
*does* feel like that lolL351[07:39:32] *
Izzy refreshes the parcel tracking pages again
L352[07:39:49] <lily> ...thank you for
reminding me to do that for ULTRAPOSTER:tm:
L353[07:40:11] <Corded> > <lily>
the venn diagram of people in #oc and people with ADHD is b…
L354[07:40:11] <JasonS> Or
it might be more accurately said that OC people are a subset of
ADHD people, since not all ADHD people are also OC people
<JasonS> Or
it might be more accurately said that OC people are a subset of
ADHD people, since not all ADHD people are also OC peopleL355[07:40:21] <lily> ...Oh hey, it's
delivered! Neat.
L356[07:40:34] <lily> Time to go bother
reception for it real quick.
L357[07:40:34] <Izzy> I'm waiting on a HBA
and NIC for my new server :3
L358[07:41:13] <Izzy> and a fan splitter
and serial card and associated cables so I can test it
L359[07:41:44] <lunar_sam> anyways, i hope
that gutting the full minitel stack frees up tons of space
L360[07:42:08] <lunar_sam> so i can
implement a built in config tool :V
L361[07:42:10] ⇦
Quits: Hawk777 (~Hawk777@2001:569:7ca4:2a00:3f6d:55e1:343a:ecc4)
(Quit: Leaving.)
L362[07:42:22] <Izzy> can you believe that
my modern AM4 machine doesn't even have an RS232 header?
L363[07:43:39] <lunar_sam> i can then
reuse the menu items for a boot device selection menu!
L364[07:44:15] <lily> ultraposter
acquired
L365[07:51:51] <lunar_sam> i also plan on
rewriting zorya to load from a bootcode partition
L366[07:53:42] <lunar_sam> since tbh it's
probably most useful for unmanaged disks
L367[07:56:26] <lily> Izzy: thanks v much
for reminding me to refresh my parcel tracker
L368[07:56:31] <lily> https://i.imgur.com/tYTm9H0.jpeg the ultraposter is
now installed
L369[07:56:54] <Izzy> mmmh, had a
suspicion from the name it'd be ultrakill related
L370[07:57:02] <Lilirine>
yeah lol
<Lilirine>
yeah lolL371[07:57:45] <Izzy> https://cdn.shadowkat.net/media/4b5a376bcb065d72c43567fd8144774fc4c6ed0df438330c466d8e1768e8659b.jpg
L372[07:57:54] <Izzy> new serber
L373[07:57:59] <Lilirine>
nice !!
<Lilirine>
nice !!L374[07:58:13] <Izzy> it 9500 -> it can
support 128GB of RAM
L375[07:58:19] <Lilirine>
9500?
<Lilirine>
9500?L376[07:58:26] <Izzy> i5 9500*
L377[07:58:29] <Lilirine>
ah
<Lilirine>
ahL378[07:58:33] <Lilirine>
Also, speaking of 128GB...
<Lilirine>
Also, speaking of 128GB...L379[07:58:33] <Izzy> and the SFF chassis
is much friendlier for rack-mounting than the giant tower server
case
L381[07:59:10] <Lilirine>
XMP/EXPO is off though, too unstable with 4x32
<Lilirine>
XMP/EXPO is off though, too unstable with 4x32L382[07:59:33] <Izzy> ayy
L383[07:59:42] <Izzy> I'm sure I'll get
this desktop up to 128GB eventually
L384[07:59:56] <Lilirine>
the XTX is the icing on the cake tho imo
<Lilirine>
the XTX is the icing on the cake tho imoL385[08:00:02] <Lilirine>
she was, uh. more than I'd like to admit
<Lilirine>
she was, uh. more than I'd like to admitL386[08:00:06] <Izzy> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/0fd4.png
L387[08:00:20] <Lilirine>
however, I *did* win three grand in an award, so... *technically*
free!
<Lilirine>
however, I *did* win three grand in an award, so... *technically*
free!L388[08:00:31] <Izzy> I spent more on this
computer than I did on my car
L389[08:00:41] <Lilirine>
understandable tbh
<Lilirine>
understandable tbhL390[08:00:49] <Lilirine>
fortunately I never plan on a car
<Lilirine>
fortunately I never plan on a carL391[08:00:54] <Lilirine>
(or a driver's license for that matter)
<Lilirine>
(or a driver's license for that matter)L392[08:01:35] <Corded> >
<Lilirine> however, I *did* win three grand in an award,
so... *techni…
L393[08:01:35] <JasonS>
Doesn’t an XTX only cost like one grand though?
<JasonS>
Doesn’t an XTX only cost like one grand though?L394[08:01:42] <Lilirine>
Two
<Lilirine>
TwoL395[08:01:46] <Lilirine>
* Two, actually
<Lilirine>
* Two, actuallyL396[08:01:49] <Lilirine>
Well, $2k NZD
<Lilirine>
Well, $2k NZDL397[08:01:55] <Lilirine>
It's probably closer to a grand in the US
<Lilirine>
It's probably closer to a grand in the USL398[08:02:01] <JasonS>
Google says prices are 1,000ish USD
<JasonS>
Google says prices are 1,000ish USDL399[08:02:02] <Lilirine>
mine's a powercolour hellhound
<Lilirine>
mine's a powercolour hellhoundL400[08:02:16] <Corded> >
<JasonS> Google says prices are 1,000ish USD
L402[08:02:28] <Izzy> I've been informed
that my 6700XT is really designed for 1440p144
L403[08:02:38] <Izzy> and I'm using it for
1920x1200 @ 60Hz
L404[08:02:45] <Lilirine>
my monitor is 1440p50
<Lilirine>
my monitor is 1440p50L405[08:02:48] <Lilirine>
(max)
<Lilirine>
(max)L406[08:02:51] <JasonS> If
I were to buy a computer now with a lot of money but not an
unlimited budget, I’d go for the 7800 GRE
<JasonS> If
I were to buy a computer now with a lot of money but not an
unlimited budget, I’d go for the 7800 GREL407[08:02:59] <Izzy> weird refresh
rate
L408[08:03:08] <Izzy> is it a TV?
L409[08:03:14] <Lilirine>
nope!
<Lilirine>
nope!L410[08:03:16] <Lilirine>
Dell U2711
<Lilirine>
Dell U2711L411[08:03:21] <Lilirine>
50Hz is the max it can do at 1440p
<Lilirine>
50Hz is the max it can do at 1440pL412[08:03:26] <Izzy> oic
L413[08:03:35] <Izzy> I'm using a pair of
U2412Ms
L414[08:04:13] <Lilirine>
ah
<Lilirine>
ahL415[08:04:19] <Corded> >
<JasonS> If I were to buy a computer now with a lot of money
but not…
L416[08:04:19] <JasonS>
About half the price of an XTX, and supposedly the same performance
as a 3090 Ti
<JasonS>
About half the price of an XTX, and supposedly the same performance
as a 3090 TiL417[08:05:41] <JasonS> *
7900 GRE
<JasonS> *
7900 GREL418[08:06:10] <JasonS> *
3DMark performance as a 3090 Ti
<JasonS> *
3DMark performance as a 3090 TiL419[08:06:33] <JasonS>
How does the IRC side handle discord message edits?
<JasonS>
How does the IRC side handle discord message edits?L420[08:07:33] <lunar_sam> oh yeah, Izzy,
i thought of a cursed but amazing way to add permissions and other
fun attributes to OCFS
L421[08:07:52] <Izzy> oh boy
L422[08:08:11] <lunar_sam> have the last
inode in an inode group point to inodes that store a tag list for
said inodes in group
L423[08:09:42] <Izzy> I was expecting
worse
L424[08:09:46] <lunar_sam> it works
because i have a free node type (3)
L425[08:10:05] <lunar_sam> 0 is a
directory, 1 is a file, 2 is a symlink
L426[08:11:53] <lunar_sam> hell, i could
even make it so the extended data inode could be all kinds of
different types for whatever usecase
L427[08:12:20] <lunar_sam> also it's
either gonna be pointers to tag list inodes or ADS directory nodes
lol
L428[08:14:19] <lunar_sam> anyways, ocfs
is funny because it stores so little metadata
L429[08:14:31] <lunar_sam> but it does
have support for extents and inline data!
L430[08:18:45] <lunar_sam> it's like,
number of hardlinks, number of blocks a file takes up, and the
amount of space free in the file's allocated space
L431[08:19:10] <lunar_sam> oh and
ctime/mtime and write and execute bits
L432[08:21:19] <lunar_sam> if i'm insane,
i'll add optional journaling and copy on write
L433[08:21:23] <lunar_sam> (i won't)
L434[08:26:46] <lunar_sam> anyways, only
the bare minimum will be required to read/write from OCFS
L435[08:43:42] <lunar_sam> oh also the
reason i only store the free bytes and not the actual file size was
to save a few bytes
L436[08:43:58] <lunar_sam> and you can
still have 64K preallocated so i think that's fine to OC
L437[08:44:04] <lunar_sam> *for OC
L438[08:50:43] <lunar_sam> oh also the
doubly indirect pointers are a linked list lol
L439[08:50:56] <lunar_sam> though i highly
doubt you'd ever need more than one DIP block
L440[08:56:54] <lunar_sam> actually could
you even fit a file that large on the filesystem
L441[08:57:09] <lunar_sam> like, the max
filesystem size is like
L442[08:58:30] <lunar_sam> just under
8GiB
L443[09:00:07] <lunar_sam> my quick math
says you absolutely could
L444[09:00:17] <lunar_sam> linked list
stays
L445[09:36:18] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> hi how to write code
on an eeprom please?
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> hi how to write code
on an eeprom please?L446[09:36:21] <Forecaster> my media server is
offline...
<Forecaster> my media server is
offline...L447[09:36:27] <Forecaster> uh oh
<Forecaster> uh ohL448[09:37:04] <Corded> >
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> hi how to write code on an eeprom
please?
L449[09:37:04] <Forecaster> do you mean how to get code
onto it?
<Forecaster> do you mean how to get code
onto it?L450[09:37:43] <Corded> >
<Forecaster> do you mean how to get code onto it?
L451[09:37:43] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> i want my drone work
and if i understand well, i need to insert a program in my drone
using an eeprom?
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> i want my drone work
and if i understand well, i need to insert a program in my drone
using an eeprom?L452[09:38:18] <Forecaster> that doesn't answer my
question
<Forecaster> that doesn't answer my
questionL453[09:39:13] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> it depends what i need
to do to working my drone
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> it depends what i need
to do to working my droneL454[09:39:35] <Forecaster> ...
<Forecaster> ...L455[09:39:46] <Forecaster> presumably you need to write
code, then get the code on an eeprom
<Forecaster> presumably you need to write
code, then get the code on an eepromL456[09:40:49] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> ok, where i code and
how i get the code on an eeprom? please
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> ok, where i code and
how i get the code on an eeprom? pleaseL457[09:42:35] <Forecaster> you write the code in a file
like any other program, then you use the `flash` program to write
it to the eeprom
<Forecaster> you write the code in a file
like any other program, then you use the `flash` program to write
it to the eepromL458[09:42:54] <Forecaster> note that code run from an
eeprom doesn't have require
<Forecaster> note that code run from an
eeprom doesn't have requireL459[09:43:09] <Forecaster> so you can't use APIs
provided by the OS
<Forecaster> so you can't use APIs
provided by the OSL460[09:43:16] <Forecaster> because there is no OS
<Forecaster> because there is no OSL461[09:46:43] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> ok and what is the
most basic thing you can do with a drone but not with another
thing?
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> ok and what is the
most basic thing you can do with a drone but not with another
thing?L462[09:52:20] <Forecaster> what?
<Forecaster> what?L463[09:52:46] <Forecaster> normal computers can't move,
so that, I guess
<Forecaster> normal computers can't move,
so that, I guessL464[09:53:10] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> ok thanks
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> ok thanksL465[09:57:19]
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L466[09:57:25] <OC> hello
L467[09:59:25] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> but i code in file on
an computer/server? and when i terminate my code, how i use
"flash"?
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> but i code in file on
an computer/server? and when i terminate my code, how i use
"flash"?L468[10:00:07] <OC> there is a flash cmd
on openOS
L469[10:00:41] <OC> flash -r bios.lua
[insert file you want to flash here]
L470[10:00:45] <OC> iirc
L471[10:00:51] <OC> never flashed before
soooo
L472[10:00:56] <OC> could be wrong on this
one
L473[10:01:47] <OC> oooh i think i have an
idea for a mod to install
L474[10:01:49] <OC> brb
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L476[10:05:16] <Forecaster> no
<Forecaster> noL477[10:05:20] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> ok, so i code my file
on an server, i do the command on the same system and after i take
the eepom of the system and i put it on drone?
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> ok, so i code my file
on an server, i do the command on the same system and after i take
the eepom of the system and i put it on drone?L478[10:05:32] <Forecaster> you do `flash
<filename>`
<Forecaster> you do `flash
<filename>`L479[10:05:48] <Forecaster> it will copy the contents of
that file to the currently inserted eeprom
<Forecaster> it will copy the contents of
that file to the currently inserted eepromL480[10:06:31] <Forecaster> you take out the LUA Bios
eeprom from the computer and insert an empty one first
<Forecaster> you take out the LUA Bios
eeprom from the computer and insert an empty one firstL481[10:06:32]
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L482[10:06:36] <OC> i returnith!
L483[10:06:39] <Forecaster> flash it, then put it in the
drone
<Forecaster> flash it, then put it in the
droneL484[10:06:54] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> okk
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> okkL485[10:06:56] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> thanks
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> thanksL486[10:06:58] <Forecaster> put the LUA Bios one back in
the computer, because otherwise it will not start if you restart
it
<Forecaster> put the LUA Bios one back in
the computer, because otherwise it will not start if you restart
itL487[10:07:08]
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L488[10:07:22] <chermik63> hi
L489[10:07:44] <Forecaster> there are some options and
optional arguments for the flash program, one lets you set the name
of the eeprom
<Forecaster> there are some options and
optional arguments for the flash program, one lets you set the name
of the eepromL490[10:07:47] <chermik63> fuck u
all
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L492[10:08:13] <Forecaster> how lovely
<Forecaster> how lovelyL493[10:08:13]
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L494[10:08:19] <chermik63> sorry my friend
is an idiot
L495[10:08:51] <lunar_sam> ok sure
whatever you say
L496[10:09:15] <OC> so i am hoping this
mod ive installed works, only cause it seems intresting
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L498[10:09:47] <OC> out of curiosity is
OpenEEPROM functional?
L499[10:10:30] <Forecaster> try it and find out
<Forecaster> try it and find outL500[10:10:36] <Forecaster> probably faster than waiting
for an answer
<Forecaster> probably faster than waiting
for an answerL501[10:11:12] <OC> oh wait i need a
seperate folder
L502[10:11:46] <OC> like full on in the
file path on the computer
L503[10:13:05] <Corded> >
<Forecaster> put the LUA Bios one back in the computer,
because otherwis…
L504[10:13:05] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> why i have this?
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715854384977.png
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> why i have this?
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715854384977.pngL505[10:18:06] <Forecaster> I guess you did something
wrong
<Forecaster> I guess you did something
wrongL506[10:18:25] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> i ask you what
ahha
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> i ask you what
ahhaL507[10:18:56] <Forecaster> how should I know?
<Forecaster> how should I know?L508[10:20:09] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> do you have any
idea?
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> do you have any
idea?L509[10:20:17] <Forecaster> did you put the valid eeprom
in the drone
<Forecaster> did you put the valid eeprom
in the droneL510[10:20:30] <OC> where did ahha come
from?
L511[10:20:43] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> i dont have coded
anything, i created only a server to code
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> i dont have coded
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L513[10:27:57] <Forecaster> is that error from the
server?
<Forecaster> is that error from the
server?L514[10:29:07] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> yes
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> yesL515[10:29:41] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> that i created all
component specially for this serevr
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> that i created all
component specially for this serevrL516[10:30:23] <Forecaster> you didn't put an eeprom in
it I guess
<Forecaster> you didn't put an eeprom in
it I guessL518[10:31:59] <Forecaster> that's a blank eeprom
<Forecaster> that's a blank eepromL519[10:32:02] <Forecaster> not much better
<Forecaster> not much betterL520[10:32:15] <Forecaster> you need the LUA Bios
one
<Forecaster> you need the LUA Bios
oneL522[10:36:07] <Forecaster> it would have been useful if
you'd mentioned you've never used OC before
<Forecaster> it would have been useful if
you'd mentioned you've never used OC beforeL523[10:36:30] <Forecaster> put an OpenOS floppy in a
floppy drive connected to it
<Forecaster> put an OpenOS floppy in a
floppy drive connected to itL524[10:36:48] <Forecaster> also you should start with a
regular computer, not a server.
<Forecaster> also you should start with a
regular computer, not a server.L525[10:37:35] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> the block at right of
the rack is an floppy disk "OS" https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715855855298.png
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715855855446.png
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> the block at right of
the rack is an floppy disk "OS" https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715855855298.png
https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715855855446.pngL526[10:38:11] <Forecaster> it wont be connected by
default, which is why you should use a regular computer case and
not a server
<Forecaster> it wont be connected by
default, which is why you should use a regular computer case and
not a serverL527[10:40:43] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> because remote
terminal and server irl are better than regular computer so i
copied reality
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> because remote
terminal and server irl are better than regular computer so i
copied realityL528[10:40:58] <Forecaster> okay
<Forecaster> okayL529[10:41:02] <Forecaster> have fun with that then
<Forecaster> have fun with that thenL530[10:41:17] <Forecaster> I'm going to do something
else
<Forecaster> I'm going to do something
elseL531[10:41:37] <🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> oh ok
<🏳🌈🇺🇦TrueWorld🇺🇦🏳🌈> oh okL532[11:30:23] *
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L533[11:38:46] <Izzy> how do we feel about
this network diagram design? https://cdn.shadowkat.net/media/8bf26af1c520cfe2cff6f2a7d0bfad6fe150a46e5e60abc6f6ae05c4092d6142.png
L534[11:41:40] <Izzy> trying to diagram a
network with a virtual router was doing my head in lmao
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L537[14:30:39] <Amanda> Hrm
L538[14:30:57] <Amanda> I should probably
have picked out a spot for my new space station before going and
dismantling the old one
L539[14:32:53] <Amanda> Cause now my
shuttle is full of components from the old station, and there's
still more to dismantle, and I really shouldn't ship the parts back
to the planet just to have to lift them up again
L540[14:45:12] <Amanda> Hrm
L541[14:55:04] <Amanda> I really should
have scouted before dismantling the old base. I hope this thing has
enough fuel to get back to planet when I'm done
L542[15:03:23] *
Amanda goes to dig up some of the ice from the old refuel station's
asteroid to hopefully allow her to scout more
L543[15:05:27] <Amanda> %p
L544[15:05:28] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Amanda 0.57s
L545[15:05:35] <Amanda> Busy night, quiet
day
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L547[15:18:36] <Corded> >
<Amanda> Busy night, quiet day
L548[15:18:36] <Flameingsoul> Ig
<Flameingsoul> IgL549[15:30:17] <Amanda> %choose 1 or 2 or
keep looking
L550[15:30:17] <Flameingsoul> I mean work in the day
relax at night so makes sense
<Flameingsoul> I mean work in the day
relax at night so makes senseL551[15:30:18] <MichiBot> Amanda: A
faraway lamp replies something inaudible.
L552[15:31:01] <Flameingsoul> When was last tonk
<Flameingsoul> When was last tonkL553[15:31:10] <Amanda> Elfi did you hear
what that lamp said? Should I go for the first asteroid I found as
a canidate for my new station, which has some nickel in it
somewhere, or the second canidate, which seems to be just stone, or
keep looking?
L554[15:33:11] <Amanda> Back up to 82% H2
so I've got plenty of fuel to keep looking
L555[15:45:36] <Flameingsoul> What
<Flameingsoul> WhatL556[15:47:36] <Forecaster> She's playing space
engineers
<Forecaster> She's playing space
engineersL557[15:47:52] <Forecaster> A fully stoned asteroid is
clearly the best choice
<Forecaster> A fully stoned asteroid is
clearly the best choiceL558[15:52:35] <Flameingsoul> Ice asteroid for extra fuel
just to be safe
<Flameingsoul> Ice asteroid for extra fuel
just to be safeL559[15:52:54] <Flameingsoul> Maybe find iron or uranium
if at all possible
<Flameingsoul> Maybe find iron or uranium
if at all possibleL560[16:01:59] <Amanda> I was planning on
finding a nearby stone-only asteroid, so that I could just sic a
miner ship onto the ice asteroid my old refueling station was on,
and then I don't need to worry about PAM damaging the station
L561[16:05:43] <Amanda> oh hey, the second
canidate has nickel as well apparently
L562[16:11:01] <Amanda> Bah, bean'd myself
on the asteroid as I was looking around.
L563[16:37:46] <Amanda> And now I'm
suffocating. And I may have saved too soon to recover from
this
L564[16:39:33] <Amanda> yuuup
L565[16:39:38] <Amanda> Just suffocated
when loading back in
L566[16:39:40] <Amanda> fuck
L567[16:47:16] <Mimiru>
:/
<Mimiru>
:/L568[16:49:34] <Amanda> Guess I'll print a
second shuttle! :D
L569[16:49:45] <Elfi> Backup save
time?
L570[16:49:53] <Amanda> Does SP keep
backups?
L571[16:49:57] <Elfi> Yee
L572[16:50:03] <Amanda> oh nice
L573[16:50:12] *
Amanda goes back to the main menu to poke and see if she can find
them
L574[16:52:31] <Amanda> Elfi: Installing
the performance enhansing mod + allowing SE to use all my deck's
cores and it's much more stable, if you want me to open up the
world sometime lemme know, I'm now fairly more confident it'll be
safe
L575[16:52:36] <Amanda> Other than sim
speed issues, that is
L576[16:53:00] <Amanda> Clearly I should
poke Mimiru to setup a server so I can just yeet my SP world there.
<.<
L577[16:53:53] <Elfi> I kind of miss the
setup we had with the randomized custom planets and the asteroid
rings
L578[16:54:08] <Amanda> ah, that's
fair
L579[16:54:23] <Amanda> I'm just worried
my ADHD won't let me have fun if we started a new world
L580[16:55:18] <Flameingsoul> i wonder
<Flameingsoul> i wonderL581[16:55:18] <Amanda> but I also don't
want to ruin your fun
L582[16:55:36] <Flameingsoul> can you acess the irc and
log in through SE?
<Flameingsoul> can you acess the irc and
log in through SE?L583[16:55:59] <Flameingsoul> cause there are the ability
to connect to irl iirc though painful and c++(i think)
<Flameingsoul> cause there are the ability
to connect to irl iirc though painful and c++(i think)L584[16:56:04] <Vaur>
%tonkout
<Vaur>
%tonkoutL585[16:56:04] <Amanda> We had a discord
bridge mod installed in a previous iteration of the server, which
was modded to also bridge Corded messages
L586[16:56:05] <MichiBot> Bingo! Vaur!
You beat Forecaster's previous record of 11 hours, 10 minutes and
47 seconds (By 1 hour, 59 minutes and 55 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L587[16:56:06] <MichiBot> Vaur has stolen
the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.013 tonk points!
plus 0.012 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50%
because stealing) Current score: 1.4817682. Position #2 Need
0.2475218 more points to pass Forecaster!
L588[16:56:18] <Amanda> but obviously not
to here
L589[16:57:36] <Flameingsoul> soooo
<Flameingsoul> sooooL590[16:57:46] <Flameingsoul> yes, but painful
<Flameingsoul> yes, but painfulL591[16:59:15] <Amanda> Pretty sure
there's IRC bridge torch plugins as well
L592[16:59:54] *
Amanda punches into SAM the coordinates for the old station, so she
can melt some ice for more O2
L593[17:00:40] <Amanda> %choose tunnel
into the asteroid or build on it's surface
L594[17:00:40] <MichiBot> Amanda: My
grandfather always told me that "tunnel into the
asteroid" is the way to go!
L595[17:00:41] <Mimiru> I
wonder if I have that old vm disk still kicking around lol
<Mimiru> I
wonder if I have that old vm disk still kicking around lolL596[17:00:59] <Amanda> We could do the
long-delayed rescue mission of the station! :P
L597[17:01:16] <Mimiru>
lol
<Mimiru>
lolL598[17:01:18] <Amanda> Might have been
long enough for my brain fuckery to not be as salty about the kill
loop I got in
L599[17:01:45] <Amanda> but honestly I
think I'd rather start new with less mods instead
L600[17:02:01] <Amanda> I've had plenty of
fun with the minimal set I've got installed now
L601[17:02:47] <Mimiru>
Yeah, no doubt, was just wondering if I still had the backup is
all
<Mimiru>
Yeah, no doubt, was just wondering if I still had the backup is
allL602[17:03:20] <Flameingsoul> I wanted to play with my
friend, even added mods to make it a big challenge as he wanted to
solve his issues with it, but sadly he has yet to and just from
messing about solo I solved the issues that arise due to the.
Mods
<Flameingsoul> I wanted to play with my
friend, even added mods to make it a big challenge as he wanted to
solve his issues with it, but sadly he has yet to and just from
messing about solo I solved the issues that arise due to the.
ModsL603[17:05:11] <Mimiru>
Installing an OS on a fresh VM now.
<Mimiru>
Installing an OS on a fresh VM now.L604[17:06:21] <Amanda> Phew, just barely
made it to the ice asteoid and got some ice melted as I was
suffocating to death
L605[17:09:56] *
Amanda adds the autofill bottles mod back into the
save
L606[17:10:55] <Amanda> Elfi: if we do
start a new server, Let's skip https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1804604586&searchtext=AQD
and just add the mods we want from it's deps. the GPS distance mod
interferes with the GPS folder plugin I've got installed
L607[17:11:18] <Amanda> PLus it's super
annoying how it keeps overwriting the description
L608[17:11:26] <Elfi> Okie
L609[17:11:58] <Amanda> the GPS Folders
mod also has a distance column in the GPS folder list, which is
nice
L610[17:12:02] <Amanda>
s/mod/plugin/
L611[17:12:02] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
the GPS Folders plugin also has a distance column in the GPS folder
list, which is nice
L612[17:14:15] *
Amanda offers Elfi some coffee to soak in, curls up around to
protecc while she waits for space to load back up
L613[17:16:36] <Amanda> there, with
autofill bottles, no conveyer access to O2/H2 gen, no problem.
:D
L614[17:16:51] <Amanda> no large conveyer
access anyway
L615[17:17:52] <Corded> >
<Amanda> Elfi: if we do start a new server, Let's skip
https://steam…
L616[17:17:52] <Flameingsoul> wait there was an SE serv
here?
<Flameingsoul> wait there was an SE serv
here?L617[17:18:11] <Amanda> Nah, small private
one me + Elfi + Liizzii + Michiyo (in theory) played on
L618[17:18:27] <Flameingsoul> darn
<Flameingsoul> darnL619[17:19:07]
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L621[17:24:50] <OC> chello
L622[17:27:50] <Flameingsoul> seems http requests are
specifically intended to not exist for programmable blocks as you
can just have them run the bare bones and controll it entirely from
a local server
<Flameingsoul> seems http requests are
specifically intended to not exist for programmable blocks as you
can just have them run the bare bones and controll it entirely from
a local serverL623[17:28:28] <Lizzy> also remember that
programmable blocks need to run all their code within one game
tick
L624[17:28:36] <Flameingsoul> really?
<Flameingsoul> really?L625[17:28:38] <Flameingsoul> darn
<Flameingsoul> darnL626[17:28:43] <Lizzy> yup
L627[17:28:52] <OC> I wonder if we can run
OC on server 1 to OC on server 2
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L629[17:45:22] <Amanda> Hrm
L630[17:46:35] <Mimiru>
Hmm, I should likely add more than a single CPU to this VM
<Mimiru>
Hmm, I should likely add more than a single CPU to this VML631[17:46:36] <Mimiru>
whoops
<Mimiru>
whoopsL632[17:49:08] <Amanda> Michiyo's finger
slipped and she deleted the entire hypervisor
L633[17:50:36] <Amanda> I should move SE
to the steamdeck's SSD, it takes foreeevvvveeerr to load from the
SD
L634[17:55:00] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL635[17:55:01] <MichiBot> You drink a dull
bombastium potion (New!). A bard starts playing a lute behind
Forecaster until someone looks at them.
L636[18:32:20] <Amanda> Bah
L637[18:32:26] <Amanda> I need to go to
the surface after all
L639[18:47:41] <Amanda> Welp, I guess I'm
not getting away with leaving a bunch of this old material from the
station up here, I don't have any metal grids so I can't make any
parts for storage up here
L640[18:48:02] <Amanda> @Michiyo nice.
:3
L641[18:49:04] <Amanda> I assume the RDP
details are different?
L642[18:50:39] <Mimiru>
They are, yes. It's not even accepting RDP ATM lol. In a work
meeting
<Mimiru>
They are, yes. It's not even accepting RDP ATM lol. In a work
meetingL643[18:53:28] <Amanda> no problem
L644[19:08:22] *
Amanda watches windows update with Michiyo
L645[19:08:39] <Michiyo> Actually that
kicked me out :P But it's ok
L646[19:08:55] <Amanda> ah
L647[19:09:53] <Amanda> I think I may have
actually confused it, it just has a screen saying "Updates are
available" but I don't see a button to make it go
L648[19:10:11] <Amanda> I logged back out,
lemme know when you're done and I'll head in to get stuff
setup
L649[19:10:56] <Amanda> Elfi: Thoughts on
starting in an asteroid belt? Might be fun, assuming we can survive
long enough to make it elsewhere
L650[19:11:18] <Amanda> And I'm thinking
it'll be easier on my deck
L651[19:12:01] <Michiyo> Updates are still
installing, it's fine
L652[19:12:07] <Amanda> ah okay
L653[19:12:22] <Amanda> It's been a hot
minute since I used windows, so I wasn't sure if that mean it was
still applying or if I confused it
L654[19:12:54] <Amanda> Closest I've come
is helping my dad/sister with their laptops
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Linux, but figured it'd just be easier for SE to run windows
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crash into the fucking wind tower and then destroy a nacelle
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L694[19:42:14] <Michiyo> Amanda,
done
L695[19:42:32] <Amanda> woo
L696[19:42:53] <Michiyo> I forwarded the
normal SE port through so it should just be set up the server and
go at this point
L697[19:44:50] <lily> One of the nice
things about IRC is you can't get woken up at seven in the bloody
morning by a call sound
L698[19:45:03] <lily> I should never have
turned Discord notifications back on >.>
L699[19:52:58] <S3> I
mean
<S3> I
meanL700[19:53:24] <S3> You
can spam Ctrl G though to send audible Bel characters that are
invisible
<S3> You
can spam Ctrl G though to send audible Bel characters that are
invisibleL701[19:58:59] <lily> Huh.
L702[19:59:20] <lily> Yeah, but I imagine
that'd... probably be frowned upon by an op
L703[20:11:05] <S3> Oh
yeah but we used to sneak them randomly all the time in the middle
of our sentences so that ity would piss off mIRC users that had
flashing windows on bel characters
<S3> Oh
yeah but we used to sneak them randomly all the time in the middle
of our sentences so that ity would piss off mIRC users that had
flashing windows on bel charactersL704[20:11:08] <S3>
XD
<S3>
XDL705[20:11:43] <Forecaster> I have my phone turn on DND
mode over night automatically
<Forecaster> I have my phone turn on DND
mode over night automaticallyL706[20:11:56] <S3> People
would be idling afk and come back with a flashing window with no
ping or anything LOL
<S3> People
would be idling afk and come back with a flashing window with no
ping or anything LOLL707[20:11:58] <S3> And be
confused af
<S3> And be
confused afL708[20:11:58] <Forecaster> No notifications to wake me
up no matter the source
<Forecaster> No notifications to wake me
up no matter the sourceL709[20:12:19] <S3> My
phone accepts calls all the time
<S3> My
phone accepts calls all the timeL710[20:12:33] <S3> Gotta
be ready at 2AM when people say "Shit broke"
<S3> Gotta
be ready at 2AM when people say "Shit broke"L711[20:12:48] <S3> Good
thing I get paid well to do it
<S3> Good
thing I get paid well to do itL712[20:14:07] <Forecaster> If someone calls again within
a few minutes it goes through the block
<Forecaster> If someone calls again within
a few minutes it goes through the blockL713[20:14:44] <Forecaster> Or if the number is in my
contacts and marked as a favourite
<Forecaster> Or if the number is in my
contacts and marked as a favouriteL714[20:15:42] <Forecaster> "a few minutes" is
apparently 15
<Forecaster> "a few minutes" is
apparently 15L715[20:22:18] <Amanda> Elfi: getting
ready to generate the world on the server, now's the time to
mention any new planet mods you want
L716[20:22:37] <Elfi> Uhhh
L717[20:22:51] <Elfi> We have vanilla
planets rn, right?
L718[20:27:16] <Amanda> yee, or we will
once I get the server to stop crashing every time it starts
L719[20:27:34] <Elfi> These look fun,
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2861911175
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2172157292
and either https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2112199540
or https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2927180356
L720[20:30:28] <Forecaster> That shattered one isn't
because of Amanda playing with it is it...?
<Forecaster> That shattered one isn't
because of Amanda playing with it is it...?L721[20:33:36] <Amanda> N-no
L722[20:39:44] <Amanda> generating. I
picked the blue gas giant
L723[20:47:46] <Amanda> never mind, I
clicked the wrong button
L724[20:47:50] <Amanda> Getting ready to
generate now
L725[20:48:35] <Amanda> Current mod
list:
L726[20:48:36] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/v3/download/camnet.site/WnOjiSOewJnaKGvmlKIadHOU/image.png
L727[20:48:52] <Amanda> Elfi: Anything you
want to add ^?
L728[20:50:52] <Amanda> Generating the
universe now
L729[20:51:24] <Elfi> Oh, I was gonna
suggest https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1359954841
to simplify on atmos calculations
L730[20:51:41] <Forecaster> That's a great mod
<Forecaster> That's a great modL731[20:51:50] <Forecaster> I wish I could play SE
<Forecaster> I wish I could play SEL732[20:51:57] <Forecaster> But... Hot room
<Forecaster> But... Hot roomL733[20:52:43] <Amanda> Elfi: That's fine,
though IIRC that mod is very glitchy? or have they fixed it since?
It would sometimes end up in a state where it was "both sides
open"
L734[20:53:01] <Elfi> I've never
encountered that myself
L735[20:53:18] <Amanda> Elfi: I did learn
about a fun little trick for one-door airlocks though. Apaprently
corner pieces liek rounded windows and armor are counted as being
air-tight, though you can walk through them
L736[20:53:31] <Elfi> Huh.
L737[20:53:41] <Elfi> Usually I had the
opposite problem with things like that
L738[20:53:55] <Amanda> Saw it in a
youtube video earlier today, but it was from 11 months ago I think
so it may have changed
L739[20:54:27] <Amanda> but there, added
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1359954841
L740[20:55:55] <Amanda> oh bah
L741[20:55:58] <lily> hm, writing to
/dev/eeprom modifies it right
L742[20:56:21] <Amanda> @Michiyo does that
server IP you gave me point to a static IP? It seems SE won't let
me include dots in the direct connect configuration
L743[20:56:56] <Amanda> at least not in
the UI, might work with the steam:// urls, but IDK how to craft
those off the top of my head
L744[20:57:12] <Ocawesome101> lily: yes
<Ocawesome101> lily: yesL745[20:57:23] <lily> thanks
L746[20:57:49] <Amanda> oh wait, never
mind, it's the bluetooth keyboard I have attached to my steamdeck
being a pile of crap
L747[20:58:56] <lily> hmm. debating
whether or not to expose boot variables (__BIOS_DATA, __BIOS_PXE,
that sort of thing)
L748[20:59:40] <lily> currently I just
don't have them local, but I might put them in a table (kind of
like efivars) or not expose them at all
L749[21:02:21] <Spider
EveryOS> %tonk
<Spider
EveryOS> %tonkL750[21:02:22] <MichiBot> Fudge! Spider
EveryOS! You beat Vaur's previous record of <0 (By 4 hours, 6
minutes and 17 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L751[21:02:23] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's
new record is 4 hours, 6 minutes and 17 seconds! Spider EveryOS
also gained 0.0041 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3.
Need 0.1782664 more points to pass Vaur!
L752[21:02:34] <Spider
EveryOS> The gap grows larger and larger
<Spider
EveryOS> The gap grows larger and largerL753[21:05:27] <Forecaster> That's what happens if you
don't tonk enough
<Forecaster> That's what happens if you
don't tonk enoughL755[21:16:03] <lily> I imagine it
wouldn't be in the spirit of tonk to have something running to
automatically tonk (in OC, of course)
L756[21:16:43] <Forecaster> No
<Forecaster> NoL757[21:16:47] <lily> Would be funny if I
wrote something to predict times (but not actually do it)
though
L758[21:16:53] <Spider
EveryOS> I'd consider doing so cheating
<Spider
EveryOS> I'd consider doing so cheatingL759[21:17:31] <Forecaster> I mean, like I said
previously I use timeanddate.com to calculate the target time
<Forecaster> I mean, like I said
previously I use timeanddate.com to calculate the target timeL760[21:18:00] <Forecaster> Sometimes
<Forecaster> SometimesL761[21:18:12] <Forecaster> Mostly I calculate it in my
head
<Forecaster> Mostly I calculate it in my
headL762[21:18:20] <Amanda> @Michiyo I'm
unable to connect, did you forward the right port? (27016)
L763[21:18:57] <Forecaster> It tends to be easier if you
calculate ahead, though I miss the time a lot of times anyway
because I get distracted and forget
<Forecaster> It tends to be easier if you
calculate ahead, though I miss the time a lot of times anyway
because I get distracted and forgetL764[21:19:50] <Forecaster> You can also purposely fail
strategically to place the next time at a time where you know
you'll be able to do it
<Forecaster> You can also purposely fail
strategically to place the next time at a time where you know
you'll be able to do itL765[21:20:01] <Forecaster> That's why you gave two
attempts
<Forecaster> That's why you gave two
attemptsL766[21:20:07] <Forecaster> * have two attempts
<Forecaster> * have two attemptsL767[21:20:33] <lily> Strategic failure is
an interesting tactic
L768[21:27:13] <S3> This
is what I came home to
<S3> This
is what I came home toL770[21:27:45] <Amanda> chikken
L771[21:28:12] <S3> I love
chickens
<S3> I love
chickensL772[21:28:19] <S3> They
are so interesting.
<S3> They
are so interesting.L773[21:28:58] <S3> I like
poultry in general. We have chickens, geese, and ducks.
<S3> I like
poultry in general. We have chickens, geese, and ducks.L774[21:29:56] *
Amanda waits for @z0idburg to get distracted so she can steal a
chikken for dinner
L775[21:31:52] <Mimiru>
Amanda, just got home sorry one second
<Mimiru>
Amanda, just got home sorry one secondL776[21:31:54] *
Amanda gets distracted herself, decides to put on a cold-circle
instead
L777[21:32:03] <Amanda> @Michiyo no
problem, <2
L778[21:32:07] <Amanda> <3 even
L779[21:32:13] <Mimiru>
and yes, 27016 is forwarded
<Mimiru>
and yes, 27016 is forwardedL780[21:32:29] <Mimiru>
You may need to disable the firewall (or allow it through) on the
machine itself?
<Mimiru>
You may need to disable the firewall (or allow it through) on the
machine itself?L781[21:32:32] <Mimiru>
I'll take a look
<Mimiru>
I'll take a lookL782[21:33:46] <S3> Would
you eat the chicken or keep it for infinite eggs?
<S3> Would
you eat the chicken or keep it for infinite eggs?L783[21:33:54] <Amanda> I'll disconnect so
you can give it a poke
L784[21:34:07] <Mimiru> I
can do the firewall from the Admin acct
<Mimiru> I
can do the firewall from the Admin acctL785[21:34:20] <Mimiru>
waiting on SE to actually launch currently
<Mimiru>
waiting on SE to actually launch currentlyL786[21:34:28] <Amanda> It should already
be running
L787[21:34:34] <Amanda> or do you mean on
your computer?
L788[21:34:37] <Mimiru>
The client, on my desktop :P
<Mimiru>
The client, on my desktop :PL789[21:34:51] <Amanda> ah
L790[21:37:12] <Michiyo> The port is
forwarded on the router, disabled the firewall totally on the
machine...
L791[21:37:50] <Amanda> ah
L792[21:38:04] <Amanda> wait, I misread
that
L793[21:38:09] <Michiyo> it shows up on
LAN, but I can't connect to it via domain
L794[21:38:15] <Michiyo> or IP
L795[21:41:01] <Amanda> I didn't see
anything I did wrong in the UI, guessing you're taking a look
now
L796[21:41:21] <Michiyo> I CAN connect via
LAN, but I'm not a member of the group, but I do at least get that
message
L797[21:41:34] <Amanda> huh, you should be
a member?
L798[21:42:04] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/index.php/s/rAYRfW95cWcZcta
L799[21:42:59] <Amanda> https://steamcommunity.com/groups/NekoFaeConfederancy/members
shows you as a member?
L800[21:43:09] <Amanda> or are you using a
different steam account
L801[21:44:07] <Michiyo> Nope, I'm using
the only steam account I have *shrug*
L802[21:44:40] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/index.php/s/RfdYdTxbM2cDepZ
L803[21:44:51] <Brisingr
Aerowing> Technical Difficulties are Technical. And
Difficult.
<Brisingr
Aerowing> Technical Difficulties are Technical. And
Difficult.L804[21:46:24] <Michiyo> RDP works, so I
clearly know how to forward a port ._.
L805[21:46:47] <Amanda> Could it be your
ISP blocking the port? We can try a non-standard port
L806[21:47:15] <Amanda> or maybe it's an
issue with my ISP, though I don't see why it would let me in via
RDP but not SE
L807[21:47:53] <Michiyo> It's the same ISP
as last time I hosted one of these, the only port they block is
25
L808[21:47:59] <Amanda> hrm
L809[21:48:54] <Michiyo> Also not a your
ISP issue, cause I too can only connect via LAN
L810[21:48:59] <Amanda> ah
L811[21:49:06] <Amanda> Check the forward
for a topy?
L812[21:49:32] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/index.php/s/g349TcBiNqqMHep
L813[21:50:00] <Amanda> It might need TCP
and UDP or just TCP?
L814[21:50:16] <Michiyo> It was
"BOTH", SE is UDP though so I switched it
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L816[21:52:46] <Michiyo> Even switched to
another port, just to check, same thing
L817[21:53:22] <Amanda> Does the server
need to be restarted after poking the windows firewall?
L818[21:54:18] <Amanda> Try closing torch
entirely and re-opening it, or I can if you're done debugging your
ideas
L819[21:55:54] <lunar_sam> https://j.404.city:5443/share/c44a7f29876bb754953efd718432c3cb3316b2da/mzNfKf0B8nfrq4CBM5CO9v1wPBHZnmmY9MJXzQ30/cc1b745e-0227-4992-9f40-0a94d31a63ac.png
L820[21:57:29] <Michiyo> No, shouldn't
need a reboot for firewall changes
L821[21:57:38] <Michiyo> just restarted
torch
L822[21:59:59] <Amanda> whoops sorry
L823[22:00:26] <Amanda> Conencting to the
IP it resolves to fails a slightly different way, but I'm guessing
that's just SE jank
L824[22:00:44] <Amanda> ( Both say Server
is not responding, but the IP doesn't glitch out the dialog stack
)
L825[22:01:06] <Michiyo> yeah... makes no
effing sense.
L826[22:01:13] <Michiyo> I've hosted SE
servers with no issue before .-.
L827[22:01:27] <Izzy> SE is hell to
host
L828[22:01:40] <Michiyo> And if you can
load this: https://git.pc-logix.com/ You can connect to the
same host that is running the SE server
L829[22:02:45] <Amanda> I assume the IP in
the port forward is correct?
L830[22:02:53] <Michiyo> Eff it,
rebooting
L831[22:02:57] <Amanda> kk
L832[22:03:01] <Michiyo> it's the same as
the RDP so yeah
L833[22:03:19] <Amanda> hrm
L834[22:03:45] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/index.php/s/GPE3pB9ycdDzx78
L835[22:03:52] <Amanda> also yeah I can
load the git.pc-logix.com link
L836[22:04:16] <Izzy> Also, longshot, but
new server has Intel AMT v12, which doesn't support normal VNC or
serial-over-LAN, only via the "Intel Redirection
Protocol"; anyone know any software that actually supports
that?
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L841[22:13:06] <Mimiru>
I.. have no effing idea ._>
<Mimiru>
I.. have no effing idea ._>L842[22:14:55] <Amanda> Nothing else has a
port forward for that IP does it? Leftovers from the last
server?
L843[22:15:00] <Amanda> er, for that
port
L844[22:15:16] <Amanda> wait, that
wouldn't explain why it doesn't work on an alt port
L845[22:16:37] <Mimiru>
Yeah, Palworld uses 27016, which is why I tried 28016... going to
try one more thing
<Mimiru>
Yeah, Palworld uses 27016, which is why I tried 28016... going to
try one more thingL846[22:17:15] <Mimiru> I
don't think the port ACTUALLY changed when I tried it.
<Mimiru> I
don't think the port ACTUALLY changed when I tried it.L847[22:19:20] <Amanda> Di dyou click the
tiny little "Save changes" button on the bottom of the
settings page when you changed the port?
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L850[22:21:00] <Mimiru>
"Peer2Peer_SessionRequest" when I hit connect (The server
is still starting though)
<Mimiru>
"Peer2Peer_SessionRequest" when I hit connect (The server
is still starting though)L851[22:21:32] <Mimiru>
Yes, I did. However I noticed that it said something something IDR
the error "configuration fiole out of sync" or some
shit
<Mimiru>
Yes, I did. However I noticed that it said something something IDR
the error "configuration fiole out of sync" or some
shitL852[22:21:44] <Amanda> ah
L853[22:45:22] <lily> I'm... starting to
think this is a bug in OC itself
L854[22:45:34] <Lilirine>
There's no reason these two should not do anything https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715899534569.png
<Lilirine>
There's no reason these two should not do anything https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715899534569.pngL855[22:45:45] <Lilirine>
When this works perfectly fine https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715899545043.png
<Lilirine>
When this works perfectly fine https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715899545043.pngL856[22:46:05] <Lilirine>
I don't know about you but those look like... the exact same sets
of statements
<Lilirine>
I don't know about you but those look like... the exact same sets
of statementsL857[22:46:25] <Lilirine>
So there's... no reason the first two should do *nothing* and the
last one works fine
<Lilirine>
So there's... no reason the first two should do *nothing* and the
last one works fineL858[22:47:27] <JasonS>
actually, there is a *perfectly* good reason. This is programming,
and in programming, you *never* delete/alter that one line of code
that no one can figure out the purpose of. Shit's just mysterious
sometimes.
<JasonS>
actually, there is a *perfectly* good reason. This is programming,
and in programming, you *never* delete/alter that one line of code
that no one can figure out the purpose of. Shit's just mysterious
sometimes.L859[22:47:52] <Lilirine>
You say that but I did just try adding the `PXE_READY` line and it
had no effect
<Lilirine>
You say that but I did just try adding the `PXE_READY` line and it
had no effectL860[22:47:53] <JasonS>
basically programming is just haunted sometimes
<JasonS>
basically programming is just haunted sometimesL861[22:48:00] <Amanda> Sude-effect of
status function maybe?
L862[22:48:14] <Lilirine>
Uh, it's just `gpu.set` so unlikely
<Lilirine>
Uh, it's just `gpu.set` so unlikelyL864[22:48:27] <Lilirine>
But I will try it without
<Lilirine>
But I will try it withoutL865[22:48:56] <lily> No effect.
L866[22:49:14] <Amanda> Oh wait, I didn't
notice the new broadcast line. Are you hitting a router's packet
relay limit?
L867[22:49:28] <Lilirine>
I'm not near a router, so I doubt it?
<Lilirine>
I'm not near a router, so I doubt it?L868[22:49:49] <Amanda> er, relay
L869[22:49:51] <Amanda> not router
L870[22:49:57] <Lilirine>
yeah, I know what you mena
<Lilirine>
yeah, I know what you menaL871[22:50:11] <Lilirine>
ALSO, `__BIOS_LEGACY` is true https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715899810789.png
<Lilirine>
ALSO, `__BIOS_LEGACY` is true https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1715899810789.pngL872[22:50:17] <Amanda> oh okay steam, go
ahead and download my update
L873[22:50:17] <Lilirine>
So like. Why isn't this working.
<Lilirine>
So like. Why isn't this working.L874[22:51:29] <Corded> >
<Lilirine> There's no reason these two should not do
anything
L875[22:51:29] <JasonS>
why do you have the block of code in an if-statement repeated again
without modification right after that if-statement? And the
existence of that repeat is the only difference between the first
and second image right?
<JasonS>
why do you have the block of code in an if-statement repeated again
without modification right after that if-statement? And the
existence of that repeat is the only difference between the first
and second image right?L876[22:51:33] <JasonS> or
were other thigns changed too?
<JasonS> or
were other thigns changed too?L877[22:51:36] <JasonS> *
things changed too?
<JasonS> *
things changed too?L878[22:51:43] <Corded> >
<JasonS> why do you have the block of code in an
if-statement repeat…
L879[22:51:44] <Lilirine>
Because I am going mad trying to figure out why it doesn't
work
<Lilirine>
Because I am going mad trying to figure out why it doesn't
workL880[22:52:11] <JasonS> in
the second image where is the `end` for the if-statement?
<JasonS> in
the second image where is the `end` for the if-statement?L881[22:52:25] <Lilirine>
A little further down the ine
<Lilirine>
A little further down the ineL882[22:52:26] <Lilirine>
* line
<Lilirine>
* lineL884[22:53:21] <JasonS>
ok, so that works, right? What if you commend out everything in the
if-statement that isn't `component.modem` stuff? Does it still
work?
<JasonS>
ok, so that works, right? What if you commend out everything in the
if-statement that isn't `component.modem` stuff? Does it still
work?L885[22:53:42] <Lilirine>
let me check
<Lilirine>
let me checkL886[22:56:31] <Lilirine>
No???? It doesn't???
<Lilirine>
No???? It doesn't???L887[22:56:33] <Lilirine>
What????
<Lilirine>
What????L888[22:56:48] <JasonS> I
think I found your problem lol
<JasonS> I
think I found your problem lolL889[22:56:57] <Lilirine>
Actually it just isn't working at all now
<Lilirine>
Actually it just isn't working at all nowL890[22:57:00] <JasonS>
now comment out fewer lines of code until you find the one weirdly
important line
<JasonS>
now comment out fewer lines of code until you find the one weirdly
important lineL891[22:57:02] <JasonS>
oh...
<JasonS>
oh...L892[22:57:17] <Lilirine>
Oh I forgot to open the port on the tablet lmao
<Lilirine>
Oh I forgot to open the port on the tablet lmaoL893[22:57:29] <Lilirine>
trying again
<Lilirine>
trying againL894[22:57:36] <JasonS>
imagine if that was the whole problem the entire time lol
<JasonS>
imagine if that was the whole problem the entire time lolL895[22:57:43] <Lilirine>
nah
<Lilirine>
nahL896[22:58:35] <Lilirine>
OK, it does work without that
<Lilirine>
OK, it does work without thatL897[22:59:17] <JasonS> ok
so then if you add in the second block of
"component.modem" stuff after the if-statement, so you
recreate the first of the two images, does it suddenly break?
<JasonS> ok
so then if you add in the second block of
"component.modem" stuff after the if-statement, so you
recreate the first of the two images, does it suddenly break?L898[23:00:30] <Lilirine>
aaand now it fucking works fine
<Lilirine>
aaand now it fucking works fineL899[23:00:45] <Lilirine>
with no changes
<Lilirine>
with no changesL900[23:01:10] <Lilirine>
maybe there was some obscure race condition somewhere
<Lilirine>
maybe there was some obscure race condition somewhereL901[23:02:23] <JasonS>
heisenbug moment
<JasonS>
heisenbug momentL902[23:03:18] <Izzy> gluh, wish this
monitor stand was about 4cm taller
L903[23:03:35] <Izzy> wouldn't need to
stand it on top of a DVD player to make it the right height
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