L1[01:22:51] <Spider ​EveryOS> %tonk

L2[01:22:51] <MichiBot> Crud! Spider ​EveryOS! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 7 hours, 20 minutes and 58 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L3[01:22:52] <MichiBot> Spider EveryOS's new record is 7 hours, 20 minutes and 58 seconds! Spider EveryOS also gained 0.00735 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.70689 more points to pass Forec​aster!

L4[02:13:27] <Jas​onS> how does tonk work

L5[02:25:39] <Corded> > <Jas​onS> how does tonk work

L6[02:25:39] <Spider ​EveryOS> If you run the command for the first time, it will link you to a page explaining how it works

L7[02:26:11] <Spider ​EveryOS> https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk

L9[03:11:31] <Amanda> No wonder I'm so eepy

L10[03:12:36] <Amanda> Night girls

L14[06:08:35] <⚧ E​mily> hi!

L22[10:46:42] <Va​ur> %tonk

L23[10:46:43] <MichiBot> Woah! Va​ur! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of 7 hours, 20 minutes and 58 seconds (By 2 hours, 2 minutes and 52 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L24[10:46:45] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 9 hours, 23 minutes and 51 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0164 (0.00205 x 8) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.

L27[15:19:34] <Amanda> s Time

L28[15:20:02] <Amanda> Time to %splash @Forecaster with mutable blue potion

L29[15:20:03] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable blue potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a stainless steel bear girl until they have some bacon.

L30[15:20:10] <Amanda> !

L32[15:24:48] <Forec​aster> D:

L33[16:01:07] <Amanda> %remindme 45m check ci

L34[16:01:07] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "check ci" in 45m at 04/12/2024 04:46:07 PM

L35[16:04:18] <Forec​aster> At least I won't rust

L36[16:04:24] <Forec​aster> 😐

L37[16:11:45] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> At least I won't rust

L38[16:11:45] <Mim​iru> Ask Tesla how that goes.

L39[16:19:37] <Forec​aster> I'm not a cybertruck

L40[16:19:58] <Michiyo> No, but you are both Stainless Steel currently.

L41[16:22:45] <Forec​aster> Hopefully I got higher quality stuff than what they used

L42[16:28:13] <Corded> > <Mic​hiyo> Ask Tesla how that goes.

L43[16:28:13] <Va​ur> its not rusting, its having an averse reaction to steel dust 🤣

L44[16:36:26] <Forec​aster> I've also read this, but I don't care to protect the musk in any way

L45[16:37:46] <Amanda> One might say an oxydizing reaction?

L46[16:38:08] <Amanda> %choose halucinate or try and be productive first

L47[16:38:08] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A faraway lamp replies something inaudible.

L48[16:39:15] <Forec​aster> _wanderers looking for bacon_

L50[16:46:07] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: check ci

L51[17:20:03] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> *Gives @Forecaster some bacon*

L52[17:21:00] <Forec​aster> Hooray

L53[17:31:28] <Forec​aster> %sip

L54[17:31:29] <MichiBot> You drink a powdery boneboo potion (New!). The bottle turns into a pie.

L55[17:31:40] <Forec​aster> And free pie too!

L56[17:40:50] <Spider ​EveryOS> Nice, free pie is pretty nice

L58[17:57:53] <walks​anator> %sip

L59[17:57:55] <MichiBot> You drink a shining red potion (New!). It tastes bitter.

L60[18:02:45] <⚧ E​mily> hi

L61[18:06:50] <Forec​aster> %yeshi

L62[18:06:50] <MichiBot> Hi, welcome to the opencomputers IRC channel. If you just connected from minecraft, yes this is a real chat. There are people here, but dont expect people to engage with someone who just says "hi" or similar, we are (usually) pretty busy.

L63[18:07:20] <⚧ E​mily> Oh

L64[18:07:37] <⚧ E​mily> erhm.. bye then?

L65[18:08:54] <Forec​aster> Or you could, you know, say something else, try to spark a conversation

L66[18:11:33] <Corded> > <⚧ E​mily> hi

L67[18:11:34] <Va​ur> hello

L69[18:12:21] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Or you could, you know, say something else, try to spark a …

L70[18:12:21] <⚧ E​mily> My head is empty

L78[19:22:29] <Forec​aster> %sip

L79[19:22:30] <MichiBot> You drink a redacted rubium potion (New!). Dramatic music briefly plays in the distance.

L80[20:10:15] <Forec​aster> According to my calculations it should be time to %tonkout

L81[20:10:15] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forec​aster, you were not able to beat Va​ur's record of 9 hours, 23 minutes and 51 seconds this time. 9 hours, 23 minutes and 32 seconds were wasted! Missed by 18 seconds!

L82[20:10:30] <Forec​aster> Well, I was sort of right

L83[20:26:30] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> Well, I was sort of right

L84[20:26:30] <Va​ur> not according to MichiBot you weren't 😄

L85[20:27:21] <Forec​aster> I said sort of

L86[20:48:57] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> Oof.

L87[20:49:17] <Brisingr​ Aerowing> %splash @Forecaster with mutable potion

L88[20:49:17] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable ruby potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a unicorn boy for 2 moons.

L89[22:22:23] <vo​id*> is OC2 actually dead before it lived? last commit that i can see was 2 years ago

L90[22:23:07] <Jas​onS> idk about "dead before it lived" but right now it's just in indefinite maintence mode, no plans for new content or porting to newer minecraft versions

L91[22:23:26] <vo​id*> OC2 not OC

L92[22:23:32] <vo​id*> https://github.com/fnuecke/oc2

L93[22:24:39] <Jas​onS> oh shoot

L94[22:24:44] <Jas​onS> didn't notice you said OC2 not OC lol

L95[22:24:51] <Jas​onS> uhh yeah might be dead before it lived

L96[22:24:57] <Jas​onS> I don't know if OC2 is going anywhere or not

L97[22:25:02] <Jas​onS> I'm under the impression it might not be

L98[22:25:17] <vo​id*> yeah i would have really loved that because i would love writing my code in a compiled language

L99[22:25:38] <vo​id*> maybe even get c++ to run on it...

L100[22:26:22] <Jas​onS> honestly I feel like WASM would've been a better fit for OC2 than RISC-V. RISC-V is too standard and normal. WASM would've kept the charm of having a computer based on a weird architecture, but still keeping the benefit of being able to use compiled languages instead of being stuck to one language (Lua)

L101[22:26:24] <Hawk777> It was on hold due to a really hard-to-find bug in Sedna which was just found a week or two ago.

L102[22:26:34] <Jas​onS> oh wow

L103[22:26:44] <Jas​onS> so is it resuming or has too much steam been lost?

L104[22:26:51] <Hawk777> https://github.com/fnuecke/sedna/pull/19

L105[22:26:55] <Hawk777> I don’t know what will happen now.

L106[22:27:22] <Hawk777> For original OC, there is also (shameless self-promotion) https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/oc-wasm

L107[22:28:27] <vo​id*> I actually think WASM would be too standard nowadays... Also i dont know if OC is really about having a weird system... i thought it was for adding artificial restrictions on the stuff you can do (also in the speed regard)

L108[22:28:53] <vo​id*> i would enjoy writing efficient c++ applications in it instead of the not so fast lua ones...

L109[22:29:47] <Hawk777> Personally I don’t care too much about the choice of architecture, I just want something where I can use the languages I like, in a way that lets me control machines inside my MC world.

L110[22:30:04] <vo​id*> yeah

L111[22:30:04] <Corded> > <vo​id*> I actually think WASM would be too standard nowadays... Als…

L112[22:30:05] <Jas​onS> yeah I know it is standard, but having a computer whose entire architecture is WASM is very weird, much the same as a computer whose entire architecture is a Lua VM is also weird. But RISC-V was meant to be a computer architecture, so it's not weird anymore, and too normal for me. It makes it feel like I'm playing in QEMU or something,

L113[22:30:05] <Corded> except now it's minecraft, and I don't feel like QEMU and minecraft go together very well

L114[22:30:55] <Jas​onS> with OC1's Lua architecture it felt like I was playing with something really unique and special, something found nowhere else in the world

L115[22:30:56] <vo​id*> the Lua based system was probably a restriction of the mod being kinda inspired by ComputerCraft i guess

L116[22:31:09] <Jas​onS> but OC2 just feels like QEMU

L117[22:31:13] <Hawk777> I do think it’s a bit weird running Linux inside Minecraft personally. It’s not about CPU architecture, it’s about the fact that most of the jobs I do are things that feel more on the scale of a bare-metal embedded system.

L118[22:31:20] <vo​id*> im fine with qemu

L119[22:31:25] <Hawk777> Things I’d use a microcontroller for in real life.

L120[22:31:28] <Hawk777> Not a PC.

L121[22:31:48] <Jas​onS> yeah I don't have any issue with QEMU, it's just that for me most of the fun of OC1 was being something unique, and if OC2 is just a QEMU clone that's not unique anymore

L122[22:32:34] <vo​id*> i work as a c++ developer for huge old multi platform GUI applications. We develop stuff on linux so i probably prefer it being like qemu

L123[22:32:49] <Corded> > <Haw​k777> I do think it’s a bit weird running Linux inside Minecraft …

L124[22:32:49] <Jas​onS> yeah I also don't like the Linux idea. A lot of the fun for me was creating a whole operating system from scratch since the hardware architecture was strange enough to not support anything mainstream. But now that's it's just RISC-V you can put linux on and now it's boring

L125[22:33:05] <vo​id*> well it is pretty unique because its in minecraft and the computers still have to be powered and stuff...

L126[22:33:07] <Jas​onS> * how OC1 had a whole operating system from scratch since the hardware architecture was strange enough to not support anything mainstream. But now that's it's just RISC-V you can put linux on and now it's boring

L127[22:33:14] <Jas​onS> * created a whole operating system from scratch since the hardware architecture was strange enough to not support anything mainstream. But now that's it's just RISC-V you can put linux on and now it's boring

L128[22:33:36] <Jas​onS> yeah but that's all trivial

L129[22:33:56] <vo​id*> its less trivial than comparable mods... ( CC )

L130[22:33:57] <Jas​onS> and power was never the main focus of the mod, just a way to vaguely incorporate it into a modpack

L131[22:34:21] <Hawk777> Personally I just want something that can control things which are complicated enough to be painful with redstone or even Project Red ICs (or whatever has since replaced them). And TBH the reason I’m here rather than using CC is because CC losing state every time the chunk unloads is a pain.

L132[22:34:36] <vo​id*> i would just enjoy having a system that can actually handle GUI's (alby text based) efficiently...

L133[22:34:53] <Jas​onS> at this point OC1 can do that too, with VRAM

L134[22:34:57] <vo​id*> CC has no cost, no progression... too boring

L135[22:35:15] <Jas​onS> yeah CC is really boring

L136[22:35:27] <Jas​onS> the operating system is builtin

L137[22:35:35] <Jas​onS> but with OC1 it's all there in the filesystem

L138[22:35:48] <Jas​onS> ditch that and now you have no OS, just bare metal

L139[22:36:10] <vo​id*> but you cant really access berkly socket based networking

L140[22:36:17] <vo​id*> which is half the fun

L141[22:36:17] <Hawk777> You still have the BIOS. Ditch *that* and now have *true* bare metal! :D

L142[22:36:27] <Corded> > <Haw​k777> You still have the BIOS. Ditch *that* and now have *true* b…

L143[22:36:28] <Jas​onS> yeah true lol

L144[22:36:30] <Jas​onS> but BIOS is tiny anyway

L145[22:36:34] <Hawk777> Yep.

L146[22:37:26] <Corded> > <vo​id*> but you cant really access berkly socket based networking

L147[22:37:26] <Jas​onS> you can't? Surely it can be set up in OC1

L148[22:38:09] <vo​id*> maybe but i dont wanna bother with deliberately recreating sockets

L149[22:38:26] <vo​id*> they would also be a pain in lua probably

L150[22:38:44] <Jas​onS> yeah fair

L151[22:38:46] <Hawk777> The Internet card has TCP, but it’s not exactly the same API.

L152[22:38:53] <vo​id*> yeah...

L153[22:39:27] <vo​id*> also multithreading would be nice...

L154[22:39:36] <vo​id*> i mean... it exists... somewhat

L155[22:39:50] <Jas​onS> yeah preempting would be nice

L156[22:40:06] <Jas​onS> as it is you have to constantly yield or else an infinite loop will halt the whole computer

L157[22:40:17] <vo​id*> yeah...

L158[22:42:24] <vo​id*> if i could write c++ for OC i could also take some things i wrote before and just put it into the game... like QuadTree's ... and the MultiUserMultiTouch interface system i wrote...

L159[22:42:51] <vo​id*> i have no idea how i would use multi touch there... but still

L160[22:44:43] <Jas​onS> you could probably transpile WASM to Lua

L161[22:44:47] <Jas​onS> and compile C++ to WASM

L162[22:45:39] <vo​id*> maybe..

L163[22:46:06] <Hawk777> I considered that, but didn’t find any existing WASM-to-Lua tools, whereas there is Asmble which converts WASM to JVM bytecode, which is what OC-Wasm uses under the hood, so adding a proper OC architecture seemed likely to be less work.

L164[22:46:09] <Hawk777> And also faster.

L165[22:53:27] <Amanda> How could the cat goddess have known, this egg was girl, she only played the exact same, painstakingly character created, smol catgirl in every game!

L166[22:56:24] <Amanda> Truly the divine work in mysterious ways

L167[22:57:13] <Amanda> Also you should always save a cat in a tree startled by a jackhammering construction worker, never know when they might be a cat goddess

L169[23:04:58] <Izzy> shadowkat.net PSA: most services will be down for database work shortly, if you need to grab anything from gitea do it now

L170[23:13:33] <Izzy> Time's up.