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L1[00:00:38] <Amanda> One question mark might be corded though, I gather from just some matrix rooms I'm in that the libra staff are a bit iffy with bridge bots
L2[00:00:49] <Amanda> But I've never actually looked into it
L3[00:01:11] <CompanionCube> i think they just didn't like how the matrix one behaved?
L4[00:01:41] <Liizzii> Are bots allowed?
L5[00:01:42] <Liizzii> Users may run bots that connect to Libera.Chat. Please get permission from the operators of any channels that the bot is in.
L6[00:01:44] <Vexatos> you could just ask libera staff
L7[00:01:48] <Vexatos> well then
L8[00:01:54] <Liizzii> from their FAQ
L9[00:02:39] <Liizzii> pretty much the same rules as here, both in terms of Esper's rules and our own of no bots other than Michiyo and Corded
L10[00:02:50] <Liizzii> * MichiBot
L11[00:02:52] <CompanionCube> https://libera.chat/guides/faq#are-bridges-allowed
L12[00:03:58] <Liizzii> looks like our usage will fit in the rules
L13[00:05:20] <Vexatos> libera is one of, if not the largest IRC network right now
L14[00:05:23] <Amanda> CompanionCube: that may be the case. I know heisenbeidge in proxy mode is tolerated, so it might just be bridges that puppet IRC users instead of xorded-style
L15[00:05:24] <Vexatos> it would be somewhat safe
L16[00:06:07] <Liizzii> contemplating popping into dragonweyr and asking whether esper is gonna implode
L17[00:06:19] <Vexatos> either way, the truly impossible part would be changing every reference to the IRC server ever
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L19[00:06:33] <Vexatos> you should probably ask to make sure liz
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L22[00:07:07] <Mim​iru> Anyone up for pushing a new oc build for every version to fix the irc program? Lol...
L23[00:07:15] <Liizzii> lol
L24[00:07:36] <Liizzii> "new update": only change is the irc server url
L25[00:07:57] <Mim​iru> Lol yes
L26[00:08:09] <Vexatos> change it on github, on the forums, in OC, migrate every sister channel
L27[00:09:22] <Liizzii> urghh, just remembered i need to migrate the forums to a container that has PHP8 so i can do the upgrade it's been needing for some time and i got a license renewal needing paying email today
L28[00:09:45] <Vexatos> ouch owie
L29[00:11:13] <Mim​iru> Hmm... old corded could bridge 2 irc channels if they both pointed to the same discord channel... I have no idea if new corded can
L30[00:11:54] <Mim​iru> That'd be handy for the move assuming Esper doesn't die suddenly
L31[00:12:27] <Liizzii> I can probably whip up a bridge for irc-to-irc, instead of needing to code it back into corded
L32[00:12:33] <Mim​iru> Old corded could connect to multiple irc servers too...
L33[00:12:35] <Vexatos> one of you two should probably ask staff for details to make sure
L34[00:12:52] <Liizzii> yeah, gonna pop in the staff channel and ask now
L35[00:12:58] <Liizzii> totally didn't get sidetracked
L36[00:12:59] <Vexatos> this is one of the largest remaining channels on esper after all
L37[00:13:04] <Liizzii> it is?
L38[00:13:05] <Liizzii> wow
L39[00:13:08] <Vexatos> see that's why I reminded you
L40[00:13:23] <Vexatos> :⁾
L41[00:13:46] <Vexatos> always has been one of the largest actually
L42[00:13:48] <Vexatos> even before discord
L43[00:13:52] <CompanionCube> til there's a factorio channel on esper
L44[00:14:00] <Mim​iru> Wow... vexs auto genned avatar is pain on this theme...
L45[00:14:11] <Vexatos> what does it look like
L46[00:14:14] <Mim​iru> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1709338454369.jpg
L47[00:14:21] <Mim​iru> I should fix that...
L48[00:14:38] <Vexatos> camouflage
L49[00:14:43] <Mim​iru> Lol
L50[00:14:59] <Vexatos> that's quite funny
L51[00:15:11] <Vexatos> that being said, it's past 1 a.m. for me
L52[00:15:22] <Vexatos> if anything implodes or you have news please ping me
L53[00:15:37] <Vexatos> particularly wrt. whether esper is really gonna die
L54[00:16:28] <Liizzii> will do
L55[00:16:36] <Liizzii> have asked the question
L56[00:16:38] <Vexatos> (remember I am connected on discord so pings will work)
L57[00:16:46] <Liizzii> in the #dragonweyr channel
L58[00:16:51] <Vexatos> thanks
L59[00:17:05] <Vex​atos> If I can find the channel
L60[00:19:37] <Amanda> Well, I just registered AmandaC on libera so I guess I'm covered for meow
L61[00:19:40] <Mim​iru> Good luck @Liizzii-chan last time I asked a question it was 2 days later for a response
L62[00:19:59] <Liizzi​i-chan> @Mimiru check oc admin channel, got a response pretty quickly
L63[00:20:46] <Mim​iru> Ahh
L64[00:23:34] <stephan48> they apparently dont have DNS access and lost their central server for provisioning :( asked if i can help but they are trying to see if they can get DNS accewss back
L65[00:23:48] <Liizzii> yeah, that's the same they said to me
L66[00:24:06] <Liizzii> probably registered by someone who's nolonger part of the team
L67[00:24:12] <Liizzii> or who's MIA
L68[00:24:39] <CompanionCube> it's always DNS
L69[00:25:27] <Liizzii> kbuck said they have backups of stuff, but that isn't really usable if they cant get access to the dns
L70[00:27:35] <CompanionCube> well the domain expires in july, according to whois
L71[00:28:34] <CompanionCube> registrar is squarespace who got it from google domains
L72[00:29:14] <Liizzii> yeah, but TLS certs expire late march, idk if they'll be able to limp along in untrusted TLS certs till the domain expires and they can re-aquire it. though they're probably gonna pay a pretty penny for it
L73[00:29:32] <Liizzii> single-word domain on .net, a popular IRC network on top of that
L74[00:30:12] <CompanionCube> not sure the last part actually means anything in 2024
L75[00:30:48] <Liizzii> perhaps, but still a somewhat popular domain name if they were to go by queries or something
L76[00:33:40] <Liizzii> hmm, just looked, we're the 5th biggest channel based on user count, tied with spacex
L77[00:35:21] <CompanionCube> wow
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L79[00:48:49] <Amanda> Oh no, now SpaceX is winning!
L80[00:48:56] <Amanda> :p
L81[00:49:01] <S​3> Anyone need some eggs?
L82[00:49:11] <S​3> We get like... 8 a day
L83[00:49:23] <S​3> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1709340563005.jpg
L84[00:51:50] <Amanda> Sure, I'll take some, just leave them in the hen pen, I'll be by in 8-10 business days
L85[00:53:57] <Liizzii> https://gist.github.com/mrflea/5bc585d2b49182be0f9006d20f364471 just got posted in the espernet lobby channel by kbuck (Esper Operator)
L86[00:57:18] <Mim​iru> :/
L87[00:59:54] <CompanionCube> :(
L88[01:07:49] <stephan48> and the contact is behind a privacy provider. ouch
L89[01:32:13] <Elfi> EsperNet's at its end?
L90[01:32:16] <Elfi> Damn.
L91[01:32:45] <Elfi> Been over 20 years for me under various nicks, seeing a rise and fall of the influence of various subcultures. It's a shame to see it go
L92[01:33:35] <Mim​iru> Yeah, it's been a very long time for me too.
L93[01:33:52] <Elfi> I was there during the nadir before the MSPA and Minecraft communities, when #CleverPun was vying for the top 3 with #furry and... god, I can't even remember what the other big channels were back in 2008
L94[01:34:36] <Elfi> I remember all the RPing communities during the *really* early days, the FFRPG channels, Lost Universe RPG, the Elite Squad...
L95[01:34:58] <Elfi> Back when esper.net was clearly a final fantasy-themed network, when the IRCops included the names of folks like Scarmiglion
L96[01:36:20] <Elfi> Servers named much like FFXIV does to its own gameservers nowadays
L97[01:38:30] <Elfi> ...end of an era. I'm sad to see it go.
L98[01:40:01] <CompanionCube> User reg. : Aug 29 19:50:51 2010 (13 years, 26 weeks, 6 days, 05:45:56 ago)
L99[01:41:03] <Elfi> Of course, my original registration lapsed some time ago, but I still held onto this one for almost a decade :'D
L100[01:42:03] <Michiyo> I have no idea when I first showed up in the ComputerCraft channel... but I know it was longer than the 10 years on this account
L101[01:43:03] <CompanionCube> I got into IRC via Minecraft servers, and eventually registered a nick here, which was a couple years before i popped on freenode long enough to register a nick, though I barely used that network for quite a long time
L102[01:43:18] <Elfi> To think, even the time the Minecraft community dominated this network feels more like a blip where my activity on Esper dipped to a passive participation, when to many of you it's been an eternity
L103[01:43:43] <Elfi> God, I really am too old for this shit :')
L104[01:44:02] <Mim​iru> lol
L105[01:44:22] <Liizzii> I've had my nickserv account since Feb 14th 2013, and i know we somewhat had #opencomputers before drama in that one ended up with us having this one, where eventually more drama ensued, the original person who messaged it had a fit about me calling them out then fucked off and I think i've had the channel ever since Sangar gave it to me after one of those incidents
L106[01:45:26] <CompanionCube> oh wow the account age is about half of my total age, that's a long time indeed
L107[01:47:23] <Elfi> I guess as one of the old guard, I guess it's my duty to stick around as long as possible at this point.
L108[01:47:27] <Elfi> Last one out, turn off the lights, etc
L109[01:47:39] <Elfi> So I'll be here 'til the end
L110[01:47:59] <Elfi> And when you shut down the bridge, or the last server winds down, I'll see you all off o7
L111[01:48:02] <Liizzii> hopefully it wont be the end, cause otherwise we'll have to move networks lol
L112[01:48:27] <Liizzii> but yeah, certainly been a while and sad to see it end
L113[01:48:30] <Hawk777> Registered : Jul 30 05:56:56 2012 (11 years, 31 weeks, 0 days, 19:51:21 ago) for me
L114[01:48:39] <Hawk777> Never really realized it had been so long.
L115[01:48:53] <Hawk777> Though earlier on I was mostly in #redpower and #railcraft
L116[01:49:07] <Liizzii> NickServ- User reg. : Feb 14 23:15:04 2013 (11 years, 2 weeks, 4 days, 02:33:46 ago)
L117[01:49:25] <Mim​iru> Damn, the old khobbits IRC logs only go back to Early 2013
L118[01:49:28] <CompanionCube> also Registered : Oct 04 18:35:13 2010 (13 years, 21 weeks, 5 days, 07:01:34 ago) (my original nick has long since expired since iirc this network has per-nick expiry or something of the sort)
L119[01:49:41] <Michiyo> Registered : Dec 19 00:12:26 2013 (10 years, 10 weeks, 6 days, 01:37:05 ago) For this iteration of me.
L120[01:51:25] <Liizzii> oh wow, so 9 years ago is when i switched from the nick i had before to Lizzy full-time, though I'm pretty sure that was a separate account from summer of 2014 and that's when i discovered I was trans
L121[01:51:27] <Elfi> I deleted a lot of my old logs ages ago, so at this point I have no idea how long I've actually been here, but it has been at least two decades, that much I know
L122[01:51:51] <Liizzii> pretty sure nadja helped me realise i was trans back then :D
L123[01:52:21] <Liizzii> (in the sense that I semi-vented my feelings and they were like "you might be trans" and linked the wikipedia artical i'm pretty sure)
L124[01:55:48] <Michiyo> If anyone needs the IPs for Esper with DNS down: 139.99.136.176, 85.52.1.101, 51.255.119.242, 188.240.145.50
L125[01:59:40] <CompanionCube> swepipe.esper.net is 2001:6b0:78::50
L126[02:03:40] * CompanionCube wonders how long before dns-induced netsplittery happens unless they get access again
L127[02:04:28] <Liizzii> depending on how the servers are set up, they're probably not relying on DNS
L128[02:04:58] <Liizzii> like with InspIRCd, you can specify the raw IP addresses for server-to-server links
L129[02:18:25] <Elfi> Yeah, and at the very least they have control of the servers themselves so they can redefine the links
L130[02:18:57] <Elfi> Of course, without anything to tie their identity to and people moving offsite en masse, it won't be long before they decide to start shutting down
L131[02:20:12] <Elfi> We're not coming back from this, I don't think. Thanks for flying EsperNet, 1996-2024, it's been fun. o7
L132[02:23:49] * Amanda collapses into a pile of floof atop Elfi, meows incoherently in void
L133[02:23:59] <Amanda> Night girls
L134[02:45:56] <Elfi> I just remembered one of the other major channels during Esper's earlier nadir, #Nationstates
L135[02:48:09] * CompanionCube never cares about cleaning up the znc channel list and i was/am in that channel - it's empty now.
L136[03:17:28] <Elfi> Hah! Of course
L137[05:30:15] <Forec​aster> I know I was present in the old channel, and that I joined irc because of Railcraft, but I don't know how long ago that was
L138[05:30:41] <Forec​aster> I was lurking in the old channel for a long time before I became active
L139[07:48:03] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L140[07:48:04] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! Compan​ionCube! You beat Spider ​EveryOS's previous record of <0 (By 9 hours, 6 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L141[07:48:05] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 9 hours, 6 minutes and 2 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.0091 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.50584 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L142[08:04:52] <nadja> Ah fuck…
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L145[08:10:35] <Redston​eParkour> well it appears esper's dns issue is resolved
L146[08:12:25] <nadja> Liizzii: it's been an honour, I do hope booping you in the right direction helped :)
L147[08:13:56] <CompanionCube> github gist hasn't said it was resolved, but they did add the server ips
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L149[08:37:14] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
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L151[09:47:52] <Va​ur> %sip
L152[09:47:54] <MichiBot> You drink a warm bavarium potion (New!). A trapdoor suddenly opens up under Vaur! There are spikes at the bottom. They successfully evaded it with a 15 vs DC 15!
L153[09:48:14] <Forec​aster> close call
L154[10:16:42] <Forec​aster> I have new things to add to the potions... https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1709374602106.png
L155[10:36:27] <Liizzii> nadja, it did a little, but anxiety's a bitch :D :/
L156[12:13:17] <stephan48> apparently one problem they have is that the server sponsors basically do their thing, kbuck and co have no direct access, I was suggesting setting up a franken-http-validation-round-robin-proxy-monster/SNI for the ircds
L157[12:13:26] * Amanda meows and looks around for where she left the fissile material
L158[12:13:57] <stephan48> Amanda: next to my bed, the radiator was unusually warm this night and i now have a headache
L159[12:18:15] <Amanda> Ah, okay, I was wondering where I left it
L160[12:18:20] * Amanda leaves it there
L161[12:27:20] <Amanda> Oh hey, my tablet Screen is now in Indiana
L162[13:14:14] <S​3> I have lost my registration with esper hundreds of times
L163[13:14:16] <S​3> Hehehe
L164[13:14:33] <S​3> Mostly because my bouncer kept me logged in longer than my account was active
L165[13:14:53] <S​3> I should have made it reauth every once in a while
L166[13:26:00] <Amanda> Hrm hrm
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L169[15:06:06] <Amanda> %choose modifier or field
L170[15:06:06] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: modifier'os, for a complete breakfast!
L171[15:06:18] <Amanda> Hrm.
L172[15:25:58] <Forec​aster> %sip
L173[15:25:59] <MichiBot> You drink a powdery tuna potion (New!). Forecaster grows a tail from a frog until they have some bacon.
L174[15:31:54] <Forec​aster> Good thing frogs don't have tails
L175[15:40:52] <Amanda> tadpoles do, which are just frog kittens
L176[16:14:05] <Forec​aster> But she didn't specify tadpole
L177[16:30:35] <gruetzkopf> my account dropped some years ago, but ~ 2010-ish originally
L178[16:31:51] <Amanda> %splash @Forecaster with mutable green potion
L179[16:31:52] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable green potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a platypus boy until they tonk.
L180[16:33:43] * Amanda flops down around Elfi, meows about her plans for universal basic scritchies
L181[16:34:13] <Forec​aster> D:
L182[17:01:05] <Amanda> %choose waves; em or pressure
L183[17:01:05] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: pressure waves
L184[17:06:44] <Ocawes​ome101> %tonk
L185[17:06:45] <MichiBot> Holy living tombstone Batman! Ocawes​ome101! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of 9 hours, 6 minutes and 2 seconds (By 12 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L186[17:06:46] <MichiBot> Ocawesome101's new record is 9 hours, 18 minutes and 40 seconds! Ocawesome101 also gained 0.0021 (0.00021 x 10) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #9. Need 0.01132 more points to pass Lii​zzii!
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L191[18:26:04] <Mainframe> hey
L192[18:37:57] <Michiyo> Hello
L193[18:39:08] <Mainframe> i dont care abt my savety :D
L194[18:39:19] <Michiyo> Erm... okay?
L195[18:47:15] <Forec​aster> I don't care about your savety either
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L197[19:03:07] <Forec​aster> I guess the savety ran out and they were eaten by the grue
L198[19:03:20] <gruetzkopf> nom!
L199[19:12:04] <Michiyo> heh
L200[19:13:47] * Amanda meows and looks for where she left the maintence robots
L201[19:14:01] <Amanda> House maintence is such a pain
L202[19:15:13] <Forec​aster> Just wait until it falls over and then build a new one
L203[19:17:11] <Kristo​pher38> squiddev: does amulet not have any syntactic sugar for mutually recursive types or did I miss that? I can't seem to find any references
L204[19:29:22] <SquidDev> I have a sinking suspicion it does not.
L205[19:29:50] <SquidDev> https://github.com/amuletml/amulet/issues/197 Ahh, yep
L206[19:29:51] <MichiBot> Title: Mutually recursive types | Posted by: Squi​dDev | Posted: Tue Oct 15 08:23:06 UTC 2019 | Status: open
L207[19:30:45] <Forec​aster> You mean sneaking suspicion
L208[19:33:29] <Kristo​pher38> oh well, anyway it's not a huge problem
L209[19:35:33] <SquidDev> "You mean sneaking suspicion" <- Nah. It's a sinking feeling, but more suspicions.
L210[19:35:45] <Amanda> A sus submarine, if you will
L211[19:40:17] <Amanda> %choose continue break or continue house maintence
L212[19:40:18] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: You hear a faraway lamp yell "continue break!".
L213[19:40:24] * Amanda nods sagely
L214[19:40:36] <Amanda> I'm sure the leaky sink can go for awhile longer
L215[19:40:54] <Forec​aster> It's happy to leak in fact
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L218[21:25:13] <Amanda> Hrm hrm
L219[21:25:30] <Amanda> This should help with my boredom, %splash @Forecaster with mutable potion
L220[21:25:30] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable pear potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a turtle until they tonk.
L221[21:36:54] <Amanda> Hrm, didn't really help
L222[21:56:54] <Amanda> %choose early rainbox or cubes
L223[21:56:54] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A nearby lamp suddenly screams "cubes!" such that it's barely audible.
L224[22:01:32] <Amanda> %choose 12 or 20
L225[22:01:32] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Is it a bird?! Is it a plane?! No! It's "12"!
L226[23:23:38] <S​3> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1709421818370.png
L227[23:23:42] <S​3> A nearby lamp
L228[23:29:42] <Amanda> Oh hey, my screen is in eastern ohio now, not quite into PA
L229[23:45:15] <Amanda> Is that Sans from undertale?
L230[23:47:17] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime or continue poking the editor window hoping it'll magically code for me
L231[23:47:17] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: My grandfather always told me that "continue poking the editor window hoping it'll magically code for me" is the way to go!
L232[23:47:34] <Amanda> That does sound like something Michiyo's dad would say
L233[23:49:45] <Amanda> I think I'll distract MichiBot from my disobediance with a well-timed %splash @Forecaster with mutable octiron potion
L234[23:49:46] <MichiBot> You fling a mutable octiron potion (New!) that splashes onto @Forecaster. @Forecaster turns into a golem until they steal the concept of stealing.
L235[23:49:57] <Amanda> :o fantasy robot!
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