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L1[00:10:25] <Kristo​pher38> I need to figure out why oppm can't download my repo anymore
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L4[00:22:02] <Amanda> Dang, town leader(?) Doesn't want me to be a burrower cat on the server
L5[00:29:00] <Kristo​pher38> Be a burrower temporarily
L6[00:42:20] <stephan48> just hide the holes?
L7[00:46:02] <Hawk777> Don’t let anyone use your stuff, either? Neither a burrower nor a lender be?
L8[00:52:16] <Izzy> Kristopher38: it does and I've been using it, but it's unreliable
L9[00:55:11] <Izzy> downloads of some stuff stalls pretty consistently so
L10[02:28:31] <Amanda> %choose be good or iced creams
L11[02:28:31] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: After all, why shouldn't you "be good"?
L12[02:28:50] <Amanda> B-b-but... Iced creams :(
L13[03:13:37] * Amanda snuggles up around Elfi, meows about her day, does a heccen zzzmew
L14[03:13:40] <Amanda> Night girls
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L28[05:20:37] <Izzy> Mimiru: I am using OpenPrinter for evil good https://shadowkat.net/tmp/ad3e.png
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L30[05:21:13] <Mim​iru> Awesome, glad it's being useful! :D
L31[05:21:51] <Izzy> wrote the world's worst typesetting program to do this stuff
L32[05:22:09] <Mim​iru> In fairness.... OpenPrinter... sucks :/
L33[05:22:15] <Mim​iru> I didn't know wtf I was doing.. lol
L34[05:23:51] <Izzy> it works pretty okay, but I would not argue with having either a monospace font or proper proportional width support like Minecraft books
L35[05:24:57] <Mim​iru> I'm just using wtfever MC uses for GUIs
L36[05:25:05] <Mim​iru> `mc.fontRenderer.drawString`
L37[05:30:55] <Izzy> There's a table on the Minecraft wiki with the widths of each character, if you ever want to improve the "how many characters fit on a line" logic.
L38[05:33:23] <Mim​iru> Goddess damn it this WG Bullshit is pissing me off ._>
L39[05:35:10] <Mim​iru> I can see traffic over the WG Link... but I can't connect to a webserver behind it
L40[05:41:12] <Izzy> when I had issues with that it was NAT and firewall weirdness, doing a site-to-site link between home and my grandad's house with pfSense
L41[05:42:06] <Mim​iru> Yeah, I'm trying to link my home server to a VPS so that I can expose the VPS IP and not have to worry about my home IP changing
L42[05:42:13] <Mim​iru> which has broken things twice now
L43[05:42:41] <Mim​iru> I can "telnet" from the WG Server to the WG Client on port 80 and it connects, so I know the link is up.
L44[05:46:16] <Mim​iru> It was fucking UFW on the VPS, even though I had allowed 80/443 it was still blocking it
L45[05:56:10] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L46[05:56:11] <MichiBot> Eureka! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 4 hours, 34 minutes and 17 seconds (By 2 hours, 47 minutes and 14 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L47[05:56:12] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.007 tonk points! plus 0.012 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.93991842, Position #1
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L53[06:53:22] <lunar_sam> i have an extremely cursed idea
L54[06:53:22] <lunar_sam> universal pkgfs time
L55[06:57:02] <lunar_sam> just make it a virtual component
L56[06:57:16] <lunar_sam> lmao
L57[07:34:55] <PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)> %tonk
L58[07:34:55] <MichiBot> Dagnabbit! PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 38 minutes and 45 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L59[07:34:56] <MichiBot> PwnagePineapple (He/Him)'s new record is 1 hour, 38 minutes and 45 seconds! PwnagePineapple (He/Him) also gained 0.00165 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #8. Need 0.08183775 more points to pass Mic​hiyo!
L60[08:09:38] <Kristo​pher38> Izzy: I'm wondering if you've ever looked at doing a remote shell
L61[08:09:48] <Izzy> PsychOS has one
L62[08:10:16] <Kristo​pher38> Tempting
L63[08:10:55] <Izzy> been doing the big think about how to get it booting on a drone today
L64[08:11:20] <Izzy> realised I can probably skip running a PsychOS minitel stack at all and just use microtel in the BIOS for communication
L65[08:11:35] <Izzy> should let me have a remote /boot
L66[08:13:00] <Kristo​pher38> I'd love robot remote access but I'd need to check how much my software relies on OpenOS' libs
L67[08:18:47] <Kristo​pher38> Hmm, seems it's mainly the event, component and computer APIs
L68[08:19:58] <Kristo​pher38> How much does psychos have in terms of handling events?
L69[08:20:25] <Izzy> It has a mostly compatible event library
L70[08:20:43] <Izzy> with the caveat that if you miss an event due to yielding to the OS it's gone
L71[08:23:22] <Kristo​pher38> I woke up recently so I'm not sure if this would be a problem or not but sounds like an undesirable trait
L72[08:25:18] <Izzy> on the upside
L73[08:25:25] <Izzy> you do get more traditional multitasking
L74[08:25:58] <Kristo​pher38> wym
L75[08:26:35] <Kristo​pher38> You insert yields like ocawesome does in ulos?
L76[08:26:42] <Izzy> nah, it's cooperative
L77[08:26:58] <Izzy> but it's less "oh you can technically use threads" and more "a basic system has a dozen running processes"
L78[08:27:48] <Kristo​pher38> I suppose you could achieve the same on OpenOS but like
L79[08:27:55] <Kristo​pher38> Noone really does this in practice
L80[08:28:29] <Izzy> PsychOS was designed to support multiple concurrent users, while OpenOS is generally single-user
L81[08:28:42] <Kristo​pher38> Yeah
L82[08:32:19] <Kristo​pher38> Does that mean if I set an event handler I won't miss any though?
L83[08:33:26] <Izzy> if the event handler itself yields it can, but you can have your event handler spawn a separate process you avoid that chance
L84[08:35:41] <Kristo​pher38> Well it shouldn't be problem then
L85[08:37:06] <Izzy> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/a767.png
L86[08:38:17] <Izzy> cooked up a daemon to handle unpacking the archives and linking them
L87[08:40:10] <lunar_sam> and here i am, about to make package handling done in the init.lua
L88[08:41:01] <Kristo​pher38> They do get copied eventually, right?
L89[08:42:18] <Izzy> so how I have it set up is, if you're on a read-only root, it unpacks only set A to /tmp and links them. If your rootfs is r/w but you don't have enough space for everything, you get set A and set B. If your root fs is r/w and has enough space, it unpacks everything to the real FS
L90[08:43:24] <Kristo​pher38> Oh neat
L91[08:43:41] <Kristo​pher38> Is tmpfs persistent between reboots or not?
L92[08:44:07] <Izzy> with set A being stuff that doesn't depend on having r/w root, set B being stuff that does (basically just oppm), and set C is the manual pages and such
L93[08:44:34] <Izzy> it's persistent between soft reboots
L94[08:45:23] <Izzy> you could also theoretically update the archives on your disk, but
L95[08:45:38] <Izzy> well, that's left as an exercise to the user
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L98[08:53:53] <Kristo​pher38> on an unrelated note: wdym when you say "acknowledgements are implied" in minitel layer 5
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L100[08:57:11] <Izzy> the acknowledgement packets are not reproduced in the documentation
L101[09:03:32] <Kristo​pher38> so I assume they're like in tcp, either sent as a standalone packet or lumped together with some message back?
L102[09:03:45] <Izzy> only standalone
L103[09:03:49] <Izzy> see the layer 3 docs
L104[09:12:26] <Izzy> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/9efc.png
L105[09:14:47] <Izzy> aaaand once installed on a HDD with enough space for everything: https://shadowkat.net/tmp/15a9.png
L106[09:25:42] <AR2​000> Project idea : persistent symlinks
L107[09:29:20] <Izzy> hmm, should I delete the archives after they're unpacked to the rootfs?
L108[10:19:58] <Izzy> do floppies lose their label when you set them as RO?
L109[10:22:03] <Izzy> yeah the first time the disk is inserted after labelling the label goes away
L110[10:22:05] <Izzy> that's annoying :|
L111[10:22:24] <Izzy> Once it's locked you can't change it, either
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L113[10:27:52] <doriki> anan
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L115[10:28:04] <kurucu> 1
L116[10:28:11] <doriki> ananı
L117[10:28:12] <kurucu> 31
L118[10:28:14] <kurucu> skjrem
L119[10:28:15] <doriki> 32
L120[10:28:17] <doriki> oc
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L123[10:33:09] <Izzy> Mimiru: OpenPrinter feature suggestion: let me put floppy disks in folders
L124[11:11:40] <lunar_sam> AR2000: so about that
L125[11:14:30] <lunar_sam> it realistically wouldn't be that hard since you could just store a list of symlinks and have them get applied by a script in /boot
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L128[13:24:33] <Amanda> Sure was nice of Verizon to wait until I got back from Hawaii to change my IP
L129[13:25:37] <Amanda> downside: One of the many files I accidentally'd was the credentials for my DNS account
L130[13:50:14] <Amanda> Izzy: I was thinking about that earlier, maybe a single slot for folders / books, like old print magazines coming with demo discs
L131[13:51:05] <Amanda> Would probably be a pain though, item handling is a fuck in MC
L132[15:05:24] <Mim​iru> Sadly I can't actually set up the mod's workspace anymore... :/
L133[15:28:32] <Forec​aster> your free time disagress with that "sadly"
L134[15:31:01] <Amanda> Izzy: can I have a copy of that rsync pre-launch command you used?
L135[15:33:42] <Corded> > <Forec​aster> your free time disagress with that "sadly"
L136[15:33:42] <Mim​iru> I mean... you're not wrong, but I do wish I could set up the workspace.
L137[15:49:30] <Mim​iru> So, 10 hours of routing web requests over a WG VPN results seem good.
L138[15:50:04] <Mim​iru> 6.6 GB of bandwidth in that 10 hours.. lol
L139[15:53:33] <Forec​aster> good thing the bands are so wide
L140[16:18:23] <Mim​iru> VPS has a 2TB limit, so I'm hoping I stay below that
L141[16:19:02] <Mim​iru> I need to move Corded and my other Discord bot to the new VPS.
L142[16:23:07] <stephan48> @Mimiru, the mods workspace?
L143[16:25:55] <Mim​iru> Yes
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L146[16:37:01] <stephan48> what question was more aimed at... what do you mean by that?
L147[16:42:34] <Mim​iru> It doesn't work? I don't have the time to dedicated into working on making it work. It errors, I get pissed off and shelv it.
L148[16:54:50] <stephan48> ah. i meant what is your definition of "mod's workspace" like CI/CD? jenkins foo? or just a dev environment?
L149[16:59:30] <Mim​iru> my local dev env
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L152[19:14:10] <S​3> FreeBSD 14.0 just dropped
L153[19:14:16] <S​3> https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1699989255759.png
L154[19:30:58] <Izzy> Amanda: rsync -avP --exclude options.txt --exclude bin --exclude cache /home/izaya/.technic/modpacks/secondcraft/ $INST_MC_DIR
L155[19:59:58] <Amanda> Izzy: danke
L156[20:06:43] <Lili​rine> tfw, someone asked "why does anyone still use irc" https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1699992402890.png
L157[20:10:21] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L158[20:10:22] <MichiBot> Swell! Forec​aster! You beat PwnagePineap​ple (He/Him)'s previous record of 1 hour, 38 minutes and 45 seconds (By 10 hours, 56 minutes and 40 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L159[20:10:23] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 12 hours, 35 minutes and 25 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.02188 (0.01094 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.15031 more points to pass Va​ur!
L160[20:11:52] <Lili​rine> Also, TIL Twitch chat is just IRC
L161[20:12:26] <Mim​iru> Bastardized IRC, but yes, IRC.
L162[20:12:37] <Lili​rine> The documentation font is also a sin https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1699992757188.png
L163[20:12:59] <Izzy> Lilirine: let's see... isn't run by a hostile corporation, is better moderated, allows custom clients, is semi-standardised, won't end up folding once it runs out of money
L164[20:13:06] <Lili​rine> Not sure if that's an extension I have doing that unintentionally or it's just. bad
L165[20:14:09] <Mim​iru> I just killed Firefox... 25GB of RAM used. lol https://discordembeds.pc-logix.com/live/1699992849421.png
L166[20:16:39] <Corded> > <Lili​rine> Not sure if that's an extension I have doing that unintenti…
L167[20:16:39] <Lili​rine> Nope. It's just like that. Tested on my clean Chromium install I use for MS Teams because it hates Firefox
L168[20:25:58] <Forec​aster> @Mimiru how many tabs?
L169[20:26:04] <Mim​iru> lots?
L170[20:26:21] <Forec​aster> so a standard amount
L171[20:26:41] <Mim​iru> 5 windows with way too many tabs each
L172[20:27:04] <Forec​aster> you just can't help it
L173[20:38:30] <stephan48> get TabCounter and then dispair
L174[20:38:37] <stephan48> despair?
L175[20:41:35] <Forec​aster> The latter is right
L176[20:47:23] <stephan48> but is it the right answer?
L177[20:51:36] <Forec​aster> well, it *is* left aligned...
L178[21:00:36] <Corded> > <Lili​rine> tfw, someone asked "why does anyone still use irc"
L179[21:00:37] <Na​dja> > transfem australian friend
L180[21:00:37] <Na​dja> **sigh** :D
L181[21:04:18] <Corded> > <na​dja> > transfem australian friend
L182[21:04:18] <Corded> **sigh** :D
L183[21:04:18] <Lili​rine> I'm not sure if that's cursed or hilarious without context
L184[21:04:30] <Lili​rine> ...Or both
L185[21:42:04] <Liizzii> @mimiru sounds about right, my FF instance ends up using about half my ram (16GB total, so 8GB or so) when i have it running for a long while
L186[21:43:24] <Liizzii> 295 / 437 / 118 / 101 / 84 / 53 tabs in each of my firefox windows, i should probably go through and clean out some old ones at some point
L187[21:45:56] <Forec​aster> no ping
L188[21:46:12] <Liizzii> @Michiyo
L189[21:46:20] <Liizzii> that one did it
L190[21:46:40] <Mim​iru> why did the bridge not do it
L191[21:46:48] <Michiyo_> @mimiru test
L192[21:46:52] <Michiyo_> ffs
L193[21:46:55] <Michiyo_> @Mimiru test
L194[21:47:00] <Michiyo_> WTF?
L195[21:47:06] <Michiyo_> @Michiyo
L196[21:47:11] <Michiyo_> oh fuckin right...
L197[21:47:24] *** Michiyo_ is now known as Michiyo
L198[21:47:30] zsh sets mode: +o on Michiyo
L199[21:48:27] <Michiyo> So we'll want to make sure your IRCd can connect to Aurora
L200[21:48:36] <Michiyo> crap wrong channel
L201[21:48:36] <Michiyo> lmfao
L202[21:48:40] <Liizzii> lmaooo
L203[21:56:42] <Lili​rine> TIL GNU `date` limits years to 2147481748
L204[22:04:31] <Lili​rine> I've been wondering - why is OCDoc and the forums a subdomain of `cil.li`?
L205[22:04:45] <Lili​rine> afaict - there's nothing there
L206[22:04:57] <Lili​rine> personal domain owned by a maintainer, maybe?
L207[22:20:55] <Liizzii> cil.li is Sangar's domain (original dev of OC and OC2)
L208[22:21:16] <Liizzii> the forums themselves actually reside on my server, the wiki is on one of Sangar's servers
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L210[22:53:38] <Forec​aster> %sip
L211[22:53:40] <MichiBot> You drink a shimmering cerulium potion (New!). Forecaster now has a mullet until they say the phrase "Awesome Actually".
L212[22:54:01] <Forec​aster> That's not awesome actually.
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