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L4[00:28:24] <Michiyo> *sigh* nothing like dropping on top of a star and getting yanked out of SC
L5[00:28:55] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> :O
L6[00:29:02] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> ***another Elite player????***
L7[00:29:06] <Michiyo> and my damn jump is on the OTHER side of said star.. so now I'm just puttering around trying to line up
L8[00:29:07] <Ar​iri> rip hull integrity
L9[00:29:21] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> :OOO
L10[00:29:21] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> ***many of you???***
L11[00:29:32] <Michiyo> lol, yeah, a few of us :p
L12[00:29:39] <Ar​iri> i've fallen out of love with it since odyssey but yes :3
L13[00:29:45] <Michiyo> Myself, Fore, Izaya, Ariri, Lizzy
L14[00:29:47] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> *sad PS4 player noises*
L15[00:29:55] * Izaya has been summoned
L16[00:30:02] <Ar​iri> hello there
L17[00:30:05] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> oh no, she is summoned
L18[00:30:12] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> everybody disperse :p
L19[00:30:13] <Izaya> oh, E:D
L20[00:30:14] <Michiyo> JUST LET ME JUMP Q_Q
L21[00:30:42] <Ar​iri> fly a triangle, Michiyo
L22[00:30:42] <Ar​iri> your speed is reduced when close to a gravity well
L23[00:30:51] <Ar​iri> fly away then point to it
L24[00:33:14] <Izaya> wonder if the SC wants to work with it this year
L25[00:46:06] <Amanda> %remindme 46m _ding_ mole
L26[00:46:06] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "_ding_ mole" in 46m at 04/11/2022 01:32:06 AM
L27[00:46:20] * Amanda boops Elfi, before wandering off to use a rain box
L28[01:07:37] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> my eyes are garbage
L29[01:07:47] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> is it `eLfi` for `eIfi`
L30[01:10:02] <Michiyo> the first.
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L32[01:21:52] <Z0id​berg> Wow.
L33[01:22:00] <Z0id​berg> I've been using Slackware and FreeBSD for about 17 years
L34[01:22:14] <Z0id​berg> Scary
L35[01:22:44] <Izaya> l has the little tail at the top, I has two equal bars at the top and bottom
L36[01:23:06] <Z0id​berg> Soundds like you're describing a creature in spore
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L38[01:30:13] <Michiyo> %tonkout
L39[01:30:13] <MichiBot> Dogast! Mic​hiyo! You beat your own previous record of 5 hours, 18 minutes and 12 seconds (By 4 minutes and 3 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L40[01:30:14] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.005 tonk points! plus 0.008 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.90978, Position #2 Need 0.26925432 more points to pass Va​ur!
L41[01:32:06] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: _ding_ mole
L42[01:40:51] <Elfi> That's not your eyes, it's your font
L43[01:46:07] <The P​atmann> That's not your font, that's your screen
L44[01:47:44] <The P​atmann> %tonk
L45[01:47:44] <MichiBot> Woah! The P​atmann! You beat Mic​hiyo's previous record of <0 (By 17 minutes and 31 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L46[01:47:45] <MichiBot> The Patmann's new record is 17 minutes and 31 seconds! The Patmann also gained 0.00029 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #7. Need 0.02337 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L47[01:49:28] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> oi now
L48[01:49:45] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> my vision is 500/20, so I have a hard time even with glasses
L49[01:50:02] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Also, Discord's default font is....
L50[01:50:08] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> ***g a r b a g e***
L51[01:51:09] <Izaya> I would say change it, but you've already surrendered all agency :)
L52[01:51:48] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Well, I prefer e-mail to either IRC or Discord
L53[01:52:01] <Izaya> rare opinion
L54[01:52:22] <Izaya> I take it you're big on asynchronous messaging, then?
L55[01:53:03] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Sometimes I prefer IRC, but unless it's, like, "oh crap the code i was sent isn't building, and I need it in 5 minutes AAAAAAAA" I prefer E-Mail
L56[01:53:36] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> And that's only because IRC doesn't have offline history
L57[01:54:13] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> For instance:
L58[01:54:38] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I could either waste time trying to find you on IRC just to find you're offline, *or* I could just yeet an E-Mail to your server
L59[01:54:50] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I could either waste time trying to find you on IRC just to find you're offline and then E-Mail you, *or* I could just yeet an E-Mail to your server [Edited]
L60[01:54:54] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I could either waste time trying to find you on IRC just to find you're offline and then E-Mail you, *or* I could just yeet an E-Mail to your server first [Edited]
L61[01:54:58] <Izaya> XMPP solves these problems :^)
L62[01:55:12] <Izaya> (but I grant the point, and email is a lot more widespread)
L63[01:55:43] <ThePi​Guy24> >The Patmann: That's not your font, that's your screen
L64[01:55:43] <ThePi​Guy24> no, its the font
L65[01:55:52] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Watch
L66[01:56:12] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I
L67[01:56:13] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> l
L68[01:56:13] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Which is the uppercase `I`, and which is the lowercase `L`
L69[01:56:16] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> no copying
L70[01:56:23] <Michiyo> The first is uppercase I
L71[01:56:29] <Michiyo> the 2nd is lowercase L
L72[01:56:30] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Correct
L73[01:56:36] <Michiyo> Because I have a good font. :P
L74[01:56:44] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> But Discord's font uses the ***exact same bitmap for them***
L75[01:57:00] <ThePi​Guy24> yeah thats what i guessed, there is a tiny subpixel difference at the top on the latter
L76[01:57:18] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Combine this, with 500/20 eyes that are about 28/20 with glasses...
L77[01:57:36] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> *cries in astigmatism*
L78[01:58:26] <ThePi​Guy24> https://tinyurl.com/y9vz9cdz
L79[01:58:47] <Mic​hiyo> https://tinyurl.com/ybvmf3hb
L80[01:58:53] <Mic​hiyo> It's not a GREAT font, but it does show the difference
L81[01:59:13] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> that's completely invisible on my screen
L82[01:59:29] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> and I shouldn't have to zoom in 1600% to see something
L83[01:59:38] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> that's not showing the difference
L84[01:59:59] <ThePi​Guy24> it probably doesnt help that im running discord at 67% zoom because i want to be able to see more than 3 messages at once on this screen ;p
L85[02:00:04] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> ONE pixel on a modern display is *not* a difference
L86[02:00:08] <Michiyo> I mean, vision not withstanding, the different font DOES show *me* a difference
L87[02:00:16] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Screen res?
L88[02:00:32] <Izaya> just use a good font lmao https://shadowkat.net/tmp/caf2.png
L89[02:00:35] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Mine is 1920x1080, V-RGB
L90[02:00:35] <ThePi​Guy24> 1366x768, i hate the first number
L91[02:00:48] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Izaya: When Discord lets you change fonts, I will
L92[02:00:56] <Michiyo> 3440x1440 100% scaling on a 34" monitor
L93[02:00:59] <ThePi​Guy24> it does, just not officially ;p
L94[02:01:04] <Michiyo> @AshleighTheCutie BetterDiscord.
L95[02:01:12] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Doens't exist on Linux
L96[02:01:14] <ThePi​Guy24> its all webshit based
L97[02:01:14] <Izaya> changing fonts violates the TOS and that's a bannable offence
L98[02:01:15] <Izaya> :)
L99[02:01:17] <Michiyo> Yeah it does.
L100[02:01:18] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Doesn't exist on Linux [Edited]
L101[02:01:30] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> That's new then
L102[02:01:42] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> How'd they package it into the DEB
L103[02:01:53] <Izaya> inb4 it's running in WINE
L104[02:02:00] <Michiyo> They didn't. But like most of linux you can work around not having a package...
L105[02:02:12] <ThePi​Guy24> open up the inspector, append a new stylesheet to the document, and tada, whatever font you like, in the official client ;p
L106[02:02:13] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Well, my system can't
L107[02:02:15] <Michiyo> BetterDiscord isn't a discord client.. it's just a modification
L108[02:02:16] <Michiyo> https://gist.github.com/ObserverOfTime/d7e60eb9aa7fe837545c8cb77cf31172
L109[02:02:40] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Due to my graphics systems, things running without a package don't tend to work stably
L110[02:02:50] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> thanks nVidia
L111[02:02:53] <Michiyo> Al... right
L112[02:02:55] <ThePi​Guy24> novideo moment
L113[02:03:20] <Michiyo> My nvidia card and xubuntu install are confused... but Alright.
L114[02:03:35] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> `primus-run` tends to behave strangely if a command runs without a package reference
L115[02:03:46] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> It's not insta-broken
L116[02:03:54] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> but things go weird sometimes
L117[02:04:08] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> and when they break, ***they break***
L118[02:04:26] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> you don't even get a TTY if you push Ctrl+Alt+F<x>
L119[02:04:29] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> it's hardlocked
L120[02:04:37] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> and no logging either
L121[02:04:51] <Michiyo> *sighs* E:D just hardlocked scanning a planet
L122[02:05:01] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> the system just... hardlocks with no visible reason
L123[02:05:02] <Michiyo> Ok, break time then
L124[02:05:16] <Izaya> I've had stuff like that happen and now that you mention it those systems do have NVIDIA cards typically
L125[02:05:43] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Now, if it's *just* the nVidia card running everything, if you manage to make that work, its fine
L126[02:05:47] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Now, if it's *just* the nVidia card running everything, if you manage to make that work, it's fine [Edited]
L127[02:06:07] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> But, well, I'd rather be able to do more than one thing at a time when running a game
L128[02:06:20] <Izaya> I strongly distrust nvidia but I never bothered to investigate because they're not my main systems and my servers don't have graphics cards
L129[02:07:07] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> also, why can Steam Remote Play not just.... work
L130[02:07:20] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> this was working just fine 30 frickin minutes ago
L131[02:09:29] <Amanda> restart steam
L132[02:11:17] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> It wasn't that
L133[02:11:22] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> the host did the thing again
L134[02:11:29] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> where the NIC just... forgets how to NIC
L135[02:11:41] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> and you have to physically reconnect it
L136[02:11:48] <Izaya> classic
L137[02:13:48] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Izaya: Are your servers Dells?
L138[02:13:50] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> if so
L139[02:13:59] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> they *do* have true GFX cards on the board
L140[02:14:05] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> they're just weak
L141[02:14:27] <Izaya> alas, my rack is not deep enough for real servers
L142[02:14:41] <Izaya> they are Dells though https://games.shadowkat.net/img/arkcluster.jpg
L143[02:15:22] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Eh, there's an iGPU in there then
L144[02:15:26] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> or some GPU
L145[02:15:35] <Izaya> the CPUs have GPUs yes :p
L146[02:15:43] <Izaya> but I was referring to a dedicated card
L147[02:15:44] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Dell BIOSes typically *really* dislike booting with no GPU / VGA object
L148[02:16:15] <Izaya> (actually, one of them has an old AMD card in it because it came with it, don't have the drivers installed so it's just in VESA mode)
L149[02:16:42] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> My Dell PowerEdge has an ATI ES1000 in it
L150[02:16:45] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> on the board
L151[02:16:49] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> built-in
L152[02:16:53] <Izaya> yup
L153[02:16:58] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> My Dell PowerEdge 2950 Gen IIIhas an ATI ES1000 in it [Edited]
L154[02:17:04] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> My Dell PowerEdge 2950 Gen III has an ATI ES1000 in it [Edited]
L155[02:17:06] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> and no, not AMD
L156[02:17:08] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> ATI
L157[02:17:09] <Izaya> I have an old PowerEdge board hanging on my wall with an ATI Rage 128 Pro or somesuch
L158[02:17:23] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> 2008, apparently ATI still existed then
L159[02:19:47] * Amanda curls up around Elfi, immersing her in floof, Zzzmews
L160[02:19:52] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> ...
L161[02:19:57] <Amanda> Night nerds
L162[02:19:57] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> i want to pet the floof
L163[02:20:00] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> night
L164[02:22:03] <Amanda> %remindme 10h you need silicon. For electronics, for turrets, for titanium, for a shield, for a jump drive, for... Something
L165[02:22:03] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "you need silicon. For electronics, for turrets, for titanium, for a shield, for a jump drive, for... Something" in 10h at 04/11/2022 12:22:03 PM
L166[02:23:20] * Amanda sleepy mews about her quest for more parts to get a ship that won't just dust itself the second she fluid vaguely near the zirax
L167[02:34:16] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> ...
L168[02:34:24] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> *wants to pet the floof*
L169[03:05:54] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L170[03:05:54] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! Forec​aster! You beat The P​atmann's previous record of 17 minutes and 31 seconds (By 1 hour and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L171[03:05:55] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 18 minutes and 9 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00101 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.01932432 more points to pass Mic​hiyo!
L172[03:37:04] <CompanionCube> Izaya: i wonder how much of an improvement against the usual matrox/aspeed ones it makes :p
L173[04:59:23] <Michiyo> %tonk
L174[04:59:23] <MichiBot> Hooray! Mic​hiyo! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 1 hour, 18 minutes and 9 seconds (By 35 minutes and 18 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L175[04:59:24] <MichiBot> Michiyo's new record is 1 hour, 53 minutes and 28 seconds! Michiyo also gained 0.00118 (0.00059 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.26807432 more points to pass Va​ur!
L176[05:16:58] <Forec​aster> Dangit
L177[06:05:29] <Izaya> CompanionCube: what the fuck are matrox cards eh
L178[06:05:38] <Izaya> cons: slow, only does OpenGL like 3
L179[06:05:46] <Izaya> pros: absolute shittones of memory
L180[06:56:05] <CompanionCube> Izaya: iirc the most common variant is from before tbe millenium lol
L181[06:57:20] <Izaya> their current ones are nutty
L182[06:57:25] <Izaya> 16+ video outputs
L183[06:57:29] <Izaya> but still slow
L184[06:58:03] <CompanionCube> iirc recent ones are amd/nvidia-derived
L185[07:00:27] <CompanionCube> fhe ast2500 seems newer than the G2OO
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L188[07:17:47] <Michiyo> %tonk
L189[07:17:47] <MichiBot> Wow! Mic​hiyo! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 53 minutes and 28 seconds (By 24 minutes and 55 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L190[07:17:48] <MichiBot> Michiyo's new record is 2 hours, 18 minutes and 24 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00042 x 2 = 0.00084)
L191[10:38:57] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L192[10:38:57] <MichiBot> Golly! Forec​aster! You beat Mic​hiyo's previous record of 2 hours, 18 minutes and 24 seconds (By 1 hour, 2 minutes and 45 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L193[10:38:58] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.89645568. Position #3 Need 0.01450432 more points to pass Mic​hiyo!
L194[11:38:42] <carrot the c​arrot farmer> %tonk
L195[11:38:42] <MichiBot> carrot the c​arrot farmer: You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L196[12:22:03] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: you need silicon. For electronics, for turrets, for titanium, for a shield, for a jump drive, for... Something
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L199[12:56:30] <DaCompu​terNerd> %sip
L200[12:56:30] <MichiBot> You drink a muddy titanium potion (New!). The bottle turns into an avesmingo axe.
L201[12:56:50] <DaCompu​terNerd> %tonk
L202[12:56:51] <MichiBot> Consarn it! DaCompu​terNerd! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 17 minutes and 53 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L203[12:56:52] <MichiBot> DaComputerNerd's new record is 2 hours, 17 minutes and 53 seconds! DaComputerNerd also gained 0.0023 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #5. Need 0.02945 more points to pass Ko​dos!
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L206[13:01:18] <Va​ur> %sip
L207[13:01:18] <MichiBot> You drink a dull grass potion (New!). For about a second Vaur knows the location of a great treasure.
L208[14:08:19] <Amanda> Fun fact, 3d games are more power intensive than 2d games.
L209[14:08:41] <Amanda> I went most of the day playing factorio on battery, just lasted a couple hours in empyrion
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L212[14:32:14] <Z0id​berg> Asyncronous is the way to go
L213[14:33:02] <Z0id​berg> healthier to build syncronous on top of ascynronous than Asynchronous on top of synchronous.
L214[14:33:14] <Z0id​berg> healthier to build syncronous on top of ascynronous than asynchronous on top of synchronous. [Edited]
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L216[14:53:17] <Amanda> Inari: gimme back my memory of what I needed an advanced constructor for.
L217[14:53:34] <Inari> Amanda: simple!
L218[14:53:37] <Inari> For advanced construction
L219[14:58:39] <Amanda> smh
L220[15:07:06] <Inari> %pet Amanda
L221[15:07:06] <MichiBot> Inari is brushing Amanda with a Magic Windows but it’s actually decent! (25%). Amanda regains 1d8 => 4 (Magic +2) => 6 hit points!
L222[15:10:14] <dequbed> @Z0idberg async incurs significant rt costs compared to sync though. If you don't have highly multiplexed workloads you are unlikely to profit from it and most systems can't serialize sync-ly written async code enough to make that cost go away.
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L224[15:31:49] <DaCompu​terNerd> %sip
L225[15:31:50] <MichiBot> You drink a molten amethyst potion (New!). It tastes salty.
L226[15:32:11] <DaCompu​terNerd> %tonkout
L227[15:32:11] <MichiBot> Awesome! DaCompu​terNerd! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 17 minutes and 53 seconds (By 17 minutes and 26 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L228[15:32:12] <MichiBot> DaCompu​terNerd has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.07393, Position #5 Need 0.02545 more points to pass Ko​dos!
L229[15:32:20] <Michiyo> damn it
L230[15:32:30] <Michiyo> I had JUST switched to do that.
L231[15:32:30] <DaCompu​terNerd> Lol
L232[15:32:32] <Michiyo> like... JUST
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L235[16:03:17] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Anyone here good with MySQL servering?
L236[16:03:22] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I needs sum halsp
L237[16:03:24] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I needs sum halps [Edited]
L238[16:03:51] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I moved my `/var/lib/mysql` directory to a not tiny disk, and linked it
L239[16:04:04] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> and now, it's failing to start with no logged errors
L240[16:06:11] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> oh my gOD
L241[16:06:15] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> APPARMOR
L242[16:06:18] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> aaaaaaaaaaaaRGH
L243[16:06:25] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> it's working now
L244[16:06:26] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> ffs
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L247[16:40:54] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/akocusodak
L248[16:41:54] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> And the weird part is, the connections are typically set as one under `LAST_ACK` and the other is `CLOSE_WAIT`
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L250[16:42:10] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> they never seem to be set to `ESTABLISHED` or such
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L253[16:45:24] <dequbed> CLOSE_WAIT sounds like an issue on your end.
L254[16:52:44] <Z0id​berg> >dequbed: <@135176960816054272> async incurs significant rt costs compared to sync th…
L255[16:52:44] <Z0id​berg> Sure but unless you're doing embedded control systems, do you REALLY need realtime?
L256[16:53:01] <dequbed> uh… yes.
L257[16:53:38] <Cyborg​Potato> Zircon (Fuschia) thinks otherwise (except for the important stuff)
L258[16:53:41] <Z0id​berg> I have never seen much of a good reason to otherwise.
L259[16:54:15] <Z0id​berg> Fuschia can go screw off. There is no reason they need 40+ GB for an OS.
L260[16:54:38] <Z0id​berg> I tried to build it for fun one day
L261[16:54:42] <Cyborg​Potato> I mean, yeah-- but I didn't think Zircon was that big
L262[16:54:54] <Z0id​berg> Ran out of disk space XD
L263[16:55:03] <dequbed> Oh for interactive systems absolutely, you're more likely multiplexing heavily than you aren't. For more batch-orientated workloads you really don't like that kind of overhead if you're running razor margings or doing things at a big enough scale.
L264[16:55:07] <Cyborg​Potato> 40+ GB is far too much
L265[17:01:46] <Z0id​berg> I would kind of think that you're probably not using a system with the right kind of scheduler for realtime systems though, if the system is doing more than one or a few things at once. Plus for batch workloads, sometimes the issue is how much data you're sending at once rather than whether or not it's a syncronous call sequence, right? Example: Copying large ammounts of data from disk into RAM- DMA will be more efficient if copying data 100MB
L266[17:01:46] <Z0id​berg> at a time rather than a sector at a time.
L267[17:02:43] <Z0id​berg> Kinda makes me wonder how this will play in my custom architecture design
L268[17:02:59] <Z0id​berg> Where I am focusing on movement of data more than core performance.
L269[17:03:29] <dequbed> Well realistically speaking with interrupt-based systems you're always async in some way or another. The question there just becomes where you serialize that async into sync code. And the lower down you do the less work in-between layers need to do, usually.
L270[17:09:46] <Z0id​berg> I am currently cheating in my architecture design by ignoring cache at the moment and clocking the DMA circuit 12, 16 or 24 times faster than the cpu itself. My thought was that, if I can make the DMA circuit simple enough, I can clock it a lot faster since gate latency is lower, and without dynamic memory involved I can increase the time efficiency of how often the core is not waiting to work, instead of caching memory and complex arithmetic
L271[17:09:47] <Z0id​berg> pipelines in the alu and other things I wasn't very interested in.
L272[17:10:26] <Z0id​berg> it basically works by giving the cpu one clock cycle every all of the remaining clock cycles in the counter register to DMA
L273[17:10:35] <Z0id​berg> cycle stealing, basically.
L274[17:11:13] <Z0id​berg> except, to the user the core is still running smooth, it doesn't really stop the CPU from running at a defined frequency
L275[17:14:10] <Z0id​berg> I also split and shift the clock into two 180 degree offset clocks, then catch rise and fall on each of the two to get 4 clock pulses per full cycle as well which is a trick I learned from the Z80 lol.
L276[17:14:40] <Z0id​berg> at that point the clock speed is limited by the two D latches I use to do that
L277[17:18:11] <Z0id​berg> I know this is all not necessarily realtime related, but I think that it will help fill the gap for realtime programming purposes for my architecture toy project
L278[17:19:14] <Z0id​berg> Many architectures have shitty DMA with predefined DMA channel features per channel and other annoyances, and I'm trying to make DMA the most important "second half" by embedding DMA right inside of the MMU CPLD circuit.
L279[17:20:17] <Z0id​berg> the idea is to have the MMU and DMA circuits talk to eachother and work together to create moving memory mapped windows and provide various modes of copying and accessing memory that isn't actually in the local scope of the processor.
L280[17:23:26] <Z0id​berg> I have no intentions on competing with modern architectures at a real level though. Even though I went to school for CE/EE, it's still just a toy.
L281[17:24:44] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Yeah, but it's another webserver doing this, not an actual user
L282[17:25:22] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> The domain accessing it is `kitsunemimi.pw`
L283[17:25:50] <Z0id​berg> Are you using CORS?
L284[17:26:18] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Me?
L285[17:26:20] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> what is that
L286[17:26:42] <Z0id​berg> Cross Origins
L287[17:26:49] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I doubt it
L288[17:26:52] <Z0id​berg> When you make web APIs and stuff
L289[17:26:59] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> it's a bog-standard Apache install
L290[17:27:09] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> serving a hand-coded HTML4 website
L291[17:27:19] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> that has no input fields, anywhere
L292[17:27:43] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> the entire `www_root` folder is only like 40 KB
L293[17:28:09] <Z0id​berg> CORS is a shitty security feature that can poorly block access to resources on a webserver not coming from an "honest" domain.
L294[17:28:23] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Even so, I don't think I have that on
L295[17:28:35] <Z0id​berg> if you don't know what it is then you'll find out eventually one day and be like WHY is this not working
L296[17:28:35] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Besides, this is not a user
L297[17:28:49] <Z0id​berg> That's how most people learn about it XD
L298[17:28:57] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> If I go to the domain it's saying is holding it open, there's a webserver there
L299[17:29:11] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> A webserver should never access another one like this
L300[17:29:28] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Especially if it's not one of mine / doesn't belong to me
L301[17:31:12] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Also, my server is not letting HTTP connections through anymore
L302[17:31:18] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> which is all it supports
L303[17:31:33] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> or, more accurately, Firefox won't let be connect
L304[17:31:40] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> it's autoredirecting to HTTPS
L305[17:32:13] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> This being said, Konqueror is unable to connect either
L306[17:32:19] <Z0id​berg> OH NO.
L307[17:32:28] <Z0id​berg> Kill it
L308[17:32:30] <Z0id​berg> kill it now
L309[17:32:31] <Z0id​berg> nao
L310[17:32:34] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> uh
L311[17:32:39] <Z0id​berg> (Konqueror)
L312[17:32:52] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> No, I can't
L313[17:33:05] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I have no other browser that is not forcing HTTPS in the URL
L314[17:33:14] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> My server is not HTTPS
L315[17:33:27] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Also, uh
L316[17:33:31] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Apache is not runnin
L317[17:33:32] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Apache is not running [Edited]
L318[17:33:49] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> So how is this webserver even creating a connection
L319[17:33:56] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> what the frick
L320[17:34:30] <Z0id​berg> ps -A | grep httpd
L321[17:34:54] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/xegidifapu
L322[17:34:57] <Z0id​berg> wha
L323[17:35:03] <Z0id​berg> what about..
L324[17:35:12] <Z0id​berg> netstat -an | grep :80
L325[17:35:18] <Z0id​berg> nothin?
L326[17:35:26] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/eberuxuxeq
L327[17:35:27] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> is the weird server / connections
L328[17:35:54] <Z0id​berg> ok, that's their remote ports
L329[17:35:54] <Z0id​berg> but
L330[17:36:02] <Z0id​berg> wth local ports are they on
L331[17:36:12] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> HTTP
L332[17:36:18] <Z0id​berg> ...
L333[17:36:22] <Z0id​berg> OH I see
L334[17:36:27] <Z0id​berg> yours is fancy
L335[17:36:34] <Z0id​berg> it converts it to a known port 😄
L336[17:36:48] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> And this is why i *don't* `-an` https://tinyurl.com/y8bft8fo
L337[17:37:06] <Z0id​berg> you know..
L338[17:37:16] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Line 3 is the weird unexpected one
L339[17:37:41] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Wait a frickin second
L340[17:37:48] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> They aren't connecting to me
L341[17:37:53] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Mine is connecting to them
L342[17:38:07] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Look, the port on the remote machine is the one with 80
L343[17:38:11] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> not on mine
L344[17:38:23] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> How do you see what URLs are being accessed?
L345[17:38:42] <Z0id​berg> check the access log in apache
L346[17:38:47] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Apache is off
L347[17:38:50] <Z0id​berg> might be in like /var/log/httpd or something
L348[17:38:54] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Has been for a couple of days now
L349[17:38:55] <Z0id​berg> well something is running..
L350[17:39:08] <Z0id​berg> btw
L351[17:39:09] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> How do you see what process is using a port?
L352[17:39:23] <Z0id​berg> there's a way to use lsof to track this sometimes
L353[17:39:35] <Z0id​berg> and I can't remember the exact switches you'd want
L354[17:40:00] <Z0id​berg> you can get the pid from lsof I thought somehow
L355[17:40:09] <Z0id​berg> and then look in ps and see the full command being run
L356[17:40:43] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> it's MinetestServer
L357[17:40:43] <Z0id​berg> yes pid is second one so for example lets say I connect to my CUPS print server on localhost:631
L358[17:41:02] <Z0id​berg> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/oliqizeyuz
L359[17:41:12] <Z0id​berg> 30961 is the PID
L360[17:41:15] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> so someone on my MT server is using a Lua script, or this is the server list
L361[17:41:21] <Z0id​berg> interesting
L362[17:41:29] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/zuzovoguzu
L363[17:41:40] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> I have a mod very similiar to OC on there
L364[17:41:44] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> So this could be that
L365[17:41:53] <Ashleigh​TheCutie> Or this is the server list advertisement
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L369[19:05:49] <Michiyo> %tonk
L370[19:05:49] <MichiBot> Bingo! Mic​hiyo! You beat DaCompu​terNerd's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 33 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L371[19:05:50] <MichiBot> Michiyo's new record is 3 hours, 33 minutes and 38 seconds! Michiyo also gained 0.00356 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.26451432 more points to pass Va​ur!
L372[19:05:58] <Michiyo> damn, so close to 3:33:33
L373[19:39:21] <Michiyo> It's amazing how less stressful a long trip is with a fuel scoop... I did 700 LY in a Cobra with no fuel scoop lol
L374[19:42:35] <Forec​aster> crazy
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L376[19:54:12] <Forec​aster> are you saying you didn't enjoy the belts? 😛
L377[19:54:25] <Forec​aster> I mean rings
L378[20:20:00] <Forec​aster> %sip
L379[20:20:00] <MichiBot> You drink a bubbly aether potion (New!). Forecaster sees the sky briefly flash solid dark blue then go back to normal.
L380[20:20:20] <Forec​aster> Someone needs to replace those skyscreens
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L383[20:25:49] <Amanda> I keep saying that, but Inari keeps spending that budget on trivial things like shiny rocks instead
L384[20:32:28] <Forec​aster> well, shiny rocks are also important
L385[20:32:34] <Forec​aster> they keep the dragons entertained
L386[20:52:37] <Inari> God I hate web stores.. people wonder why people shop at Amazon. And okay, Amazon sin't perfect, especially for clothing, but it's a whole lot better than most other web stores I've seen
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L389[20:53:50] <Inari> Regional options: US, EU, Uk, France, Germany. Oh okay, I want English so let's go with EU (which for some reason has a German language setting available then too). go to checkout, can't pick country Germany, just not in the list of countries... have to go to the Germany site to actually checkout
L390[20:53:51] <Inari> ugh
L391[21:20:17] <Forec​aster> https://tinyurl.com/yc6chfzu
L392[21:20:21] <Forec​aster> Promising
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L395[22:21:24] <Forec​aster> still need to figure out how to locate new asteroids...
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L397[22:52:32] <DaCompu​terNerd> I wonder if OC1 drones will be in OC2 or not
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L399[22:59:28] <DaCompu​terNerd> Not exactly the same ofc but you know, like an entity which can be programmed
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L402[23:17:08] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime or wait and see
L403[23:17:08] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: "laptopnaptime", now with 30% fewer deaths caused by negligence!
L404[23:39:07] <Michiyo> %tonkout
L405[23:39:08] <MichiBot> Yeah! Mic​hiyo! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 33 minutes and 38 seconds (By 59 minutes and 40 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L406[23:39:09] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.92452, Position #2 Need 0.25451432 more points to pass Va​ur!
L407[23:57:46] <Amanda> %choose royals or outsiders
L408[23:57:46] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: You'll want to go with "royals".
L409[23:57:53] <Amanda> %p
L410[23:57:54] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 0.61s
L411[23:58:22] <Amanda> Okay,I really need to see wtf Miranda's doing
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