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L1[00:05:32] <Amanda> %choose laptopnaptime?
L2[00:05:32] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I don't think I've heard of "laptopnaptime", so probably not.
L3[00:05:53] * Amanda curls up around Elfi, loads up more of her stories and puts her laptop in sleep mode
L4[00:38:44] <DaCompu​terNerd> %sip
L5[00:38:44] <MichiBot> You drink a sedimented octiron potion (New!). DaComputerNerd feels a sudden surge of static electricity.
L6[00:39:15] <DaCompu​terNerd> %tonk
L7[00:39:15] <MichiBot> Yippee! DaCompu​terNerd! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 4 hours, 49 minutes and 25 seconds (By 20 minutes and 45 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L8[00:39:16] <MichiBot> DaComputerNerd's new record is 5 hours, 10 minutes and 11 seconds! DaComputerNerd also gained 0.00175 (0.00035 x 5) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #5. Need 0.06013 more points to pass Ko​dos!
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L13[02:39:38] <lunar_sam> wonder if i could implement funny compression stuff with my newfound knowledge..........
L14[02:42:25] <Amanda> use it to transmit thefunniest joke, to makeit safe to transfer
L15[02:45:00] <luna​r_sam> my laptop's fuckin battery is smoked
L16[02:45:02] <luna​r_sam> amazing
L17[02:45:13] <luna​r_sam> [x] pain
L18[02:45:36] <luna​r_sam> 6 minutes of battery left MY ASS
L19[02:45:48] <Amanda> you shouldn't release the magic smoke from your batteries
L20[02:45:52] <luna​r_sam> it lost charge WHILE OFF
L21[02:47:08] <Amanda> %choose sleeps time or one last irradiation?
L22[02:47:09] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Oh no, not "sleeps time" again! I'll have "one last irradiation" instead.
L23[02:47:19] <Amanda> sounds good
L24[02:47:31] <lunar_sam> laptop a fuck
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L26[02:47:39] <lunar_sam> battery is kill
L27[02:47:55] <lunar_sam> also lmfao 0% battery
L28[02:49:34] <lunar_sam> chatty has a stroke. thanks chatty.
L29[02:50:42] <Amanda> going to unplug entirely, night nerds
L30[02:50:49] <Izaya> o7
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L32[03:03:22] <Mic​hiyo> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/google-shuts-down-youtube-vanced-a-popular-ad-blocking-android-app/ :/
L33[03:04:19] <Izaya> newpipe unaffected
L34[03:51:39] <Mic​hiyo> If only it was good. :P
L35[04:03:07] <Izaya> worked for me
L36[04:23:37] <Indrid​Cold96> >Michiyo: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/google-shuts-down-youtube-vanced-a-popu���
L37[04:23:37] <Indrid​Cold96> Fucking great, might need to uninstall youtube from my phone, the app is basically unusable wothout Vanced, given the absurd number of Ad's. Well, it was the last social media I was using, so maybe I'll finally quit all of them? Who knows, on PC i can still watch with ADBlock so thats a plus I guess.
L38[04:23:46] <Indrid​Cold96> Fucking great, might need to uninstall youtube from my phone, the app is basically unusable without Vanced, given the absurd number of Ad's. Well, it was the last social media I was using, so maybe I'll finally quit all of them? Who knows, on PC i can still watch with ADBlock so thats a plus I guess. [Edited]
L39[05:34:08] * Izaya gives IndridCold96 newpipe
L40[05:34:52] <Izaya> https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
L41[05:35:03] <Izaya> though getting rid of it entirely out of your life is also a good option
L42[05:35:33] <Izaya> consider also RSS feeds and mpv/yt-dlp
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L45[07:46:41] <Va​ur> %tonk
L46[07:46:41] <MichiBot> Dogast! Va​ur! You beat DaCompu​terNerd's previous record of 5 hours, 10 minutes and 11 seconds (By 1 hour, 57 minutes and 14 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L47[07:46:42] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 7 hours, 7 minutes and 25 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0117 (0.00195 x 6) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
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L52[10:19:00] *** TPG24 is now known as ThePiGuy24
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L54[12:31:48] <Amanda> %choose start laundry or factory time
L55[12:31:48] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I'm 40% "start laundry"!
L56[12:31:57] <Amanda> hrm. Probably should, yeah
L57[12:32:26] <Forec​aster> that's a lie, MichiBot never does laundry
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L60[12:59:20] <Z0id​berg> @lunar_sam Meanwhile, I have a 1970s rechargable battery pack powered calculator that still turns on
L61[12:59:34] <Z0id​berg> I have yet to this day can't figure it out
L62[12:59:52] <Z0id​berg> Unless it's made of something like NiCa and NiCa doesn't have shelf life? I dunno
L63[13:00:04] <Z0id​berg> I don't really want to take it apart
L64[13:02:24] <Z0id​berg> NiCd*
L65[13:04:48] <dequbed> I mean given 1970s it's going to be NiCd, there wasn't exactly much of an alternative around :P
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L67[13:06:19] <Forec​aster> unless it contains a potato
L68[13:13:02] <Z0id​berg> That is my only reason for the guess, dequbed, that those are the only kind of batteries I know from back then
L69[13:13:09] <Z0id​berg> my RC cars from the early 90s were NiCd too
L70[13:13:27] <Z0id​berg> I just find it weird that they still charge and hold a charge
L71[13:16:53] <ThePi​Guy24> im guessing its just so low charge/discharge current that it causes negligible amounts of degradation and thus capacity loss
L72[13:18:59] <Z0id​berg> Maybe
L73[13:19:14] <Z0id​berg> I mean it is just a calculator with an led based segment display.
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L76[13:47:12] <dequbed> I mean NiCd have a pretty high self-discharge rate but other than that they live forever. Is it one of those calculators with a tiny solar panel in it?
L77[13:47:33] <dequbed> Never seen one so old with one but the tech was available
L78[13:55:38] <Z0id​berg> No solar panel. Let me try to find it
L79[13:55:41] <Z0id​berg> I do have pictures
L80[13:58:22] <Z0id​berg> ://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125649403162656768/953291066067517480/20220315_095714.jpg https://tinyurl.com/ybjr4b77&lt;Z0id​berg> ://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125649403162656768/953291066067517480/20220315_095714.jpg https://tinyurl.com/ybqmfvdw&lt;Z0id​berg> ://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125649403162656768/953291066067517480/20220315_095714.jpg https://tinyurl.com/y9yqajf6
L81[13:58:28] <Z0id​berg> Discord likes to turn shit sideways 😦
L82[13:58:42] <Z0id​berg> Iiirc the manual is copyright 1973
L83[13:58:49] <Z0id​berg> I don't have the exact manufacturing date
L84[13:59:23] <Z0id​berg> according to google 1976
L85[13:59:40] <Z0id​berg> http://www.datamath.org/Sci/MAJESTIC/sr-40.htm
L86[14:00:44] <Z0id​berg> BP-5 and BP-8 rated battery packs.. whatever that is
L87[14:01:28] <Z0id​berg> it's a 9V rechargable battery back of some sort
L88[14:02:09] <Z0id​berg> Ah. "The first Texas Instruments calculator, the Datamath, used rechargeable NiCd (nickel-cadmium) batteries"
L89[14:02:20] <Z0id​berg> That's not the same one though
L90[14:03:32] <Z0id​berg> "The BP8 was introduced together with the BP7 and fits a whole line of calculators including the SR-40, TI-30 and Business Analyst. It uses two AA-sized NiCd batteries and converts it with an integrated circuit (IC) to 9V."
L91[14:03:35] <Z0id​berg> Interesting
L92[14:04:55] <Z0id​berg> The BP-5 is also a NiCd
L93[14:05:08] <Z0id​berg> "The BP5 was introduced with the SR-40 calculator and sold as RK1 (Rechargeable Kit) for the TI-30. It uses only one AA-sized NiCd battery and converts it with discrete components to 9V. "
L94[14:05:45] <Z0id​berg> I am impressed with how tiny the LED display is
L95[14:18:19] <DaCompu​terNerd> so it has a boost converter to raise 3 volts to 9
L96[14:18:20] <DaCompu​terNerd> neat
L97[14:40:39] <Izaya> batteries eh https://shadowkat.net/tmp/6be2.jpg
L98[14:46:08] <lunar_sam> bat trees
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L100[15:20:07] <Kadircan> Kadircan
L101[15:20:13] <Ocawes​ome101> %hello
L102[15:20:13] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L103[15:20:26] <Kadircan> ls
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L105[15:22:12] <Kadir> sss
L106[15:22:20] <Kadir> dsf
L107[15:22:30] <Kadircan> erfdsfd
L108[15:23:16] <Kadir> dsf
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L113[15:51:23] <lunar_sam> sam has the vtec kick in yo and blasts past a very loud ricer in his shitbox accord with enough valve float to unsink the titanic
L114[15:51:28] <Michiyo> %tonk
L115[15:51:28] <MichiBot> Jeepers! Mic​hiyo! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 7 hours, 7 minutes and 25 seconds (By 57 minutes and 21 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L116[15:51:29] <MichiBot> Michiyo's new record is 8 hours, 4 minutes and 47 seconds! Michiyo also gained 0.00768 (0.00096 x 8) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.24182432 more points to pass Va​ur!
L117[15:59:31] <lunar_sam> also it burns more oil than the former aircraft carrier admiral kuznetsov
L118[16:15:57] <Forec​aster> ooh, the carrier interiors update is out I think
L119[16:16:06] <Forec​aster> E:D is updating now :D
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L122[17:22:41] <Forec​aster> The disembark button! It works on the carrier finally!
L123[17:22:44] <Forec​aster> woo
L124[17:23:41] <Forec​aster> https://tinyurl.com/y7jfy2aw
L125[17:25:04] <Forec​aster> random crew member hanging out apparently https://tinyurl.com/ycudne2o
L126[17:25:30] <Forec​aster> usable escape pods, neat
L127[17:28:48] <Forec​aster> hm, 600M to fit the 3 new services to the carrier
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L212[17:42:17] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >Michiyo: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/google-shuts-down-youtube-vanced-a-popular-ad-bloc���
L213[17:42:17] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Maybe they could take the approach that emulators take
L214[17:42:49] <B​ob> i doubt a clean room project will help
L215[17:42:49] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Where they disconnect the illegal bits from the legal parts and then wink wink nudge nudge tell you to get the plugins yourself legally
L216[17:43:17] <B​ob> you know, a multibillion company has enough money to exploit any legal loophole there is
L217[17:43:28] <B​ob> doubt vanced has any capacity to respond
L218[17:43:51] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> I guess, but that's pretty defeatist
L219[17:45:39] <nan​odn> is it even possible to clean room a project like vanced? I believe it's just patches, so you're going to modify in some way or another
L220[17:46:20] <B​ob> >Aggressive Post-It Note: I guess, but that's pretty defeatist
L221[17:46:21] <B​ob> gotta remember the world we live in
L222[17:46:26] <sapphicf​ettucine> oh boy netsplit day
L223[17:46:37] <B​ob> yay netsplit
L224[17:46:39] <B​ob> 🥂
L225[17:47:37] <sapphicf​ettucine> and yeah vanced is in a specially sketchy position
L226[17:47:39] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >nanodn: is it even possible to clean room a project like vanced? I believe it's just patches, so y…
L227[17:47:39] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> I'm guessing there are protections in place to stop existing apps from being modified?
L228[17:48:00] <sapphicf​ettucine> considering it's based on the actual youtube app last time i checked
L229[17:48:05] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >Bob: gotta remember the world we live in
L230[17:48:05] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Bad attitude, man. Right to repair looked impossible and look how far we're coming
L231[17:48:23] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Ofc there's no "moral highground" with vanced lol
L232[17:48:37] <sapphicf​ettucine> versus something like newpipe or youtube-dl which got it's right to exist upheld at least somewhat
L233[17:49:12] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: considering it's based on the actual youtube app last time i checked
L234[17:49:13] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Yeah that makes it much easier to shoot down
L235[17:49:14] <B​ob> >Aggressive Post-It Note: Bad attitude, man. Right to repair looked impossible and look how far …
L236[17:49:15] <B​ob> yeah but Right to Repair at least perfect sense
L237[17:49:29] <nan​odn> >Aggressive Post-It Note: I'm guessing there are protections in place to stop existing apps from be…
L238[17:49:29] <nan​odn> it'd be weird and very insecure otherwise
L239[17:50:05] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >nanodn: it'd be weird and very insecure otherwise
L240[17:50:06] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Yeah frankly I hope that they do have that sort of protection in place, but admittedly it's not like Windows does
L241[17:50:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> something something capitalism is fundamentally opposed to the rights of users and labor and will do all it can to oppose them
L242[17:50:22] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Perhaps it does have proper sandboxing with its own store
L243[17:50:52] <sapphicf​ettucine> i mean you can just copy the apk off your phone if modifying the app and reinstalling it is what you mean
L244[17:50:55] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: something something capitalism is fundamentally opposed to the rights of users and labor a…
L245[17:50:55] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Rights are very costly 💸
L246[17:51:11] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: i mean you can just copy the apk off your phone if modifying the app and reinstalling it i…
L247[17:51:11] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> That would also work
L248[17:51:49] <nan​odn> maybe just sharing the patches and a tool to patch the apk would work?
L249[17:52:01] <nan​odn> very gray area though
L250[17:52:09] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> That's what I was trying to figure out yeah
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L252[17:52:24] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Essentially providing a tool that'd work like a make file
L253[17:52:36] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> And would duplicate your existing youtube and make it into vanced
L254[17:53:21] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Thing is I'd probably be fine with using the vanilla youtube if it wasn't such an irritating app to use
L255[17:53:27] <sapphicf​ettucine> too much effort for the average user
L256[17:53:30] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> So much clutter everywhere
L257[17:53:43] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: too much effort for the average user
L258[17:53:44] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> That's right, which means it won't be worth going after, anymore
L259[17:54:03] <nan​odn> >Aggressive Post-It Note: That's right, which means it won't be worth going after, anymore
L260[17:54:03] <nan​odn> that's probably what vanced team thought
L261[17:54:24] <sapphicf​ettucine> also still like
L262[17:54:32] <nan​odn> why bother when most of your userbase don't even know what an apk is
L263[17:54:34] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Well they've been ignored for about 5 years and then got shot down when they.. apparently made an NFT of the logo?
L264[17:54:41] <sapphicf​ettucine> a C&D is meant to be scary as fuck
L265[17:54:43] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> And it was a copyright thing
L266[17:54:46] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Aggressive Post-It Note: Well they've been ignored for about 5 years and then got shot down when they.. appa…
L267[17:54:47] <sapphicf​ettucine> aw come on
L268[17:54:55] <sapphicf​ettucine> milkshake ducked again...
L269[17:55:00] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Like the C&D came a month afterwards
L270[17:55:03] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> And they'd been going for 5 years
L271[17:55:30] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> So it seems that Google went after them because they were too confident, more than anything
L272[17:55:39] <sapphicf​ettucine> also
L273[17:55:57] <sapphicf​ettucine> google has a legal obligation to pursue infringement of their trademark
L274[17:56:12] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Ah otherwise they lose it, right?
L275[17:56:16] <sapphicf​ettucine> so don't fuckin'. use the trademark of a notoriously litigious company and much less use it for fake money
L276[17:57:02] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Or the lawyers will come for you in the night
L277[17:59:52] <nan​odn> it's midnight. you're playing video games as usual. then the doorbell rings. you go and look through the hole in the door: it's covered with something. you open the door and check. there's a post-it note, saying: "it's court time, little man"
L278[18:00:52] <sapphicf​ettucine> >nanodn: it's midnight. you're playing video games as usual. then the doorbell rings. you go…
L279[18:00:52] <sapphicf​ettucine> this is just what nintendo actually does
L280[18:01:20] <sapphicf​ettucine> anyway IP is fucked as a system
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L282[18:02:15] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: anyway IP is fucked as a system
L283[18:02:16] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Something something tom scott
L284[18:03:32] <sapphicf​ettucine> i don't fully agree with his arguments, to be honest
L285[18:03:47] <sapphicf​ettucine> but also: i'm a communist :p
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L287[18:04:22] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: but also: i'm a communist :p
L288[18:04:22] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Are there any implementations of communism that don't give absolute power to the state?
L289[18:04:33] <sapphicf​ettucine> yes
L290[18:04:36] <sapphicf​ettucine> a lot
L291[18:04:39] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> How do they divide power?
L292[18:05:09] <sapphicf​ettucine> depends on who you ask, but communitary organization in a grassroots way
L293[18:05:39] <sapphicf​ettucine> how you go about that depends; catalonia did it through a syndicalist lens, for example
L294[18:06:26] <sapphicf​ettucine> and, well, as posed by marx, communism should have the abolition of the state as a goal
L295[18:07:28] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: and, well, as posed by marx, communism should have the abolition of the state as a goal
L296[18:07:28] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> If you decentralise that much how are you going to defend yourselves?
L297[18:08:53] <sapphicf​ettucine> decentralized militaries existed in anarchist societies! though, the goal for me would be revolution in a way that is global enough to make war a thing of the past
L298[18:09:12] <Amanda> %choose start a whole new pack or stick with this one
L299[18:09:12] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I've heard "stick with this one" is in these days
L300[18:09:15] <sapphicf​ettucine> because war is a horror and needs to be abolished
L301[18:09:38] <sapphicf​ettucine> >MichiBot: Ama​nda: I've heard "stick with this one" is in these days
L302[18:09:38] <sapphicf​ettucine> michi you have interesting opinions on fast fashion
L303[18:10:24] *** TPG24 is now known as ThePiGuy24
L304[18:10:34] <sapphicf​ettucine> anyway, if you want a solid theorem on how the organization of a communist society might work, the conquest of bread holds up pretty well
L305[18:12:22] <sapphicf​ettucine> also, if you want critique of communist revolutions that ultimately fell into centralized states like the U.S.S.R, emma goldman's work is really good
L306[18:14:14] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L307[18:14:15] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forec​aster, you were not able to beat Mic​hiyo's record of 8 hours, 4 minutes and 47 seconds this time. 2 hours, 22 minutes and 45 seconds were wasted! Missed by 5 hours, 42 minutes and 1 second!
L308[18:14:24] <Forec​aster> oh, woops
L309[18:14:30] <sapphicf​ettucine> rip
L310[18:15:08] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: decentralized militaries existed in anarchist societies! though, the goal for me would be …
L311[18:15:08] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> An example of a decentralised military would be something like the Celts. Just a bunch of warlords with little coordination. You only have to look to Russia right now to see what happens when you don't have an efficient system of logistics
L312[18:15:17] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: because war is a horror and needs to be abolished
L313[18:15:17] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Long term I think that'd be a great goal
L314[18:15:28] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> But it'd have to come about because people don't want to fight
L315[18:15:34] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Aggressive Post-It Note: An example of a decentralised military would be something like the Celts. Just a bu…
L316[18:15:34] <sapphicf​ettucine> and i'd point you to the CNT-FAI
L317[18:15:42] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Rather than because they can't fight like right now
L318[18:15:48] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Aggressive Post-It Note: But it'd have to come about because people don't want to fight
L319[18:15:48] <sapphicf​ettucine> mate, you think anyone besides people in power does?
L320[18:16:12] <sapphicf​ettucine> war kills everyone around you. veterans are often vehemently anti war because it fucks you up
L321[18:16:43] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >sapphicfettucine: mate, you think anyone besides people in power does?
L322[18:16:44] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Yes. Definitely
L323[18:16:57] <sapphicf​ettucine> lol
L324[18:17:14] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Why do you think people sign up to armies
L325[18:17:18] <sapphicf​ettucine> i assure you that's not the majority of people that've actually seen what war looks like
L326[18:17:22] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> If not to fight for something they think is right
L327[18:17:29] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Aggressive Post-It Note: Why do you think people sign up to armies
L328[18:17:29] <sapphicf​ettucine> monetary conditions in the U.S
L329[18:17:36] <sapphicf​ettucine> conscription in russia
L330[18:17:45] <sapphicf​ettucine> existential threat in a lot of places
L331[18:18:09] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Yes but if you actually talk to people who choose to fight they tell you that they think what they've done is good
L332[18:18:26] <sapphicf​ettucine> and a lot of them will tell you that war is a monster
L333[18:18:27] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> They'll give you reasons as to why they think that their cause is worthy
L334[18:18:36] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Oh of course but what's being fought is worse
L335[18:18:45] <sapphicf​ettucine> i don't think a lot of veterans are proud of afghanistan
L336[18:18:49] <sapphicf​ettucine> or what they did
L337[18:19:13] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Ok so how about Vietnam from the Vietnamese side
L338[18:19:23] <sapphicf​ettucine> as i said, existential threat
L339[18:19:43] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Ah fair point ok how about the NATO intervention in Bosnia?
L340[18:19:48] <sapphicf​ettucine> i don't think they'd have chosen a violent war if you could
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L342[18:20:46] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Aggressive Post-It Note: Ah fair point ok how about the NATO intervention in Bosnia?
L343[18:20:46] <sapphicf​ettucine> complex topic because NATO brings a lot of baggage, but there's a lot that could've been done before it came to the violent dissolution of yugoslavia that did not happen because of the cold war
L344[18:21:25] <sapphicf​ettucine> i'd much rather we have solved the problems that led to the rise of fascism than fight a world war 2
L345[18:21:37] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Totally agree there
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L347[18:22:07] <sapphicf​ettucine> and that kind of war is. not really the thing most armies or soldiers fight. and most of them will want to avoid that
L348[18:22:08] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> I guess my angle is that war is a useful tool, but we should aim to reach a point where it isn't necessary
L349[18:22:26] <Forec​aster> those leaders don't want to fight either, they want others to fight for them
L350[18:22:34] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Nice
L351[18:22:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> yep
L352[18:22:49] <sapphicf​ettucine> spill the people's blood for your own gain
L353[18:23:24] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Where can I learn about the CNT-FAI, btw?
L354[18:23:25] <Forec​aster> Blood for the war god
L355[18:23:31] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> I'd love to see how they fit together
L356[18:23:42] <Ocawes​ome101> CGP Grey has a really good video on government
L357[18:23:46] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Decentralised systems are so difficult to manage
L358[18:23:55] <Ocawes​ome101> “So you want to become king” iirc
L359[18:24:09] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> >Ocawesome101: “So you want to become king” iirc
L360[18:24:09] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Ah yeah the one with the 7 points or whatever
L361[18:24:15] <Ocawes​ome101> Or maybe the rules for rules
L362[18:24:23] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> The rules for rulers yeah
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L364[18:25:01] <sapphicf​ettucine> wikipedia's a pretty good tool, i'd recommend emma goldman's work - iirc she has a few essays on it?
L365[18:25:05] <Forec​aster> I want a video called "Rulers for rulers" that's about kings using rulers
L366[18:25:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> i've also heard good things about orwell's memoirs of the war
L367[18:25:17] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> the wikipedia article is just a stub sladly
L368[18:25:18] <sapphicf​ettucine> but can't vouch for it, haven't had the time to read it
L369[18:25:20] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> the wikipedia article is just a stub sadly [Edited]
L370[18:25:36] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Aggressive Post-It Note: the wikipedia article is just a stub sadly
L371[18:25:36] <sapphicf​ettucine> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain&gt;
L372[18:25:51] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Ah you went to the more general article
L373[18:26:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> wiki organization is sometimes wack
L374[18:26:17] <sapphicf​ettucine> (that article includes a lot of cnt-fai history)
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L376[18:27:37] <Ocawes​ome101> https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs
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L380[21:30:51] <Amanda> %p
L381[21:30:52] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Ama​nda 0.41s
L382[21:50:00] <ThePa​tmann> >sapphicfettucine: wiki organization is sometimes wack
L383[21:50:00] <ThePa​tmann> Yeah, a Serbian expat friend of mine says that they got done dirty in regards to some of the pages of wars involving Serbia (i.e only covering one side's war crimes rather than all the shit both sides have done)
L384[21:50:00] <ThePa​tmann> Wiki is good for basic overviews, but it's just that most of the time, surface level.
L385[21:51:09] <B​ob> all the slavic / ex-bosnian states wars have reasons that are all spagheti that nobody bothers to untangle 🤔
L386[21:53:40] <Amanda> I mean, they make you cite sources for a reason
L387[21:54:17] <B​ob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOVbAmknKUk
L388[22:00:47] <Izaya> %tell Ariri https://nitter.pussthecat.org/maevehana_/status/1501800402160959494
L389[22:00:47] <MichiBot> Iz​aya: Ariri will be notified of this message when next seen.
L390[22:03:18] <Amanda> @Bob Another reason to look for the citations, not just read it face-value. What was it, WElsh? 90% of the wikipedia for welsh (or some other language) was done by one american teenager taking the english wikipedia articles and "typing them in a welsh accent"
L391[22:18:44] <Forec​aster> %sip
L392[22:18:45] <MichiBot> You drink a thick grathnode potion (New!). 4 nearby pebbles suddenly shift slightly in Forecaster's direction.
L393[22:19:03] <Forec​aster> magnets... how do they work
L394[22:19:10] <Forec​aster> better look it up on wikipedia
L395[22:24:58] * Amanda turns into a pile of floof, decides to read and hope this headache dissapates
L396[22:28:34] <Forec​aster> I read that as "pie of floof"
L397[22:33:04] <B​ob> >Amanda: <@!202281082047954954> Another reason to look for the citations, not j…
L398[22:33:05] <B​ob> yeah i know
L399[22:36:55] <Forec​aster> hm, "How magnets work: magic"
L400[22:37:00] <Forec​aster> "Source: magic"
L401[22:37:08] <Forec​aster> seems legit
L402[22:43:29] <Amanda> Forecaster if your pie is floofy, you should probably throw it out
L403[22:44:01] <Forec​aster> unless it's a floof-berry pie
L404[22:50:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Amanda: <@!202281082047954954> Another reason to look for the citations, not just read it f…
L405[22:50:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> scots wiki
L406[22:51:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> > Over 23,000 articles, approximately a third of the entire Scots Wikipedia at that time, were created by this contributor, an American teenager. These articles have been described as "English written in a Scottish accent" and "very odd" to abject gibberish with nonsensical words and spellings not present in any Scots dialect.[7][8][9]
L407[22:51:55] <sapphicf​ettucine> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_Wikipedia&gt;
L408[22:53:46] <Ocawes​ome101> lmao
L409[22:57:44] <Amanda> You shouldn't use floofy berries to make pie, though Ig uess it might burn out some of the spores on baking
L410[23:20:03] <Forec​aster> Not floofy berries, floofberries
L411[23:28:02] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> https://youtu.be/-koGnx7SuOw
L412[23:28:08] <Aggressive ​Post-It Note> Something like this
L413[23:30:05] <Amanda> %choose rain box or the complete anniliation of socks
L414[23:30:06] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I have a pamphlet that says never to engage in "the complete anniliation of socks", so you should definitely do it!
L415[23:32:33] <Amanda> Hrm, I don't know "The Society for the preservation of socks" made some good points in that pamphlet, rain box it is
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