L1[00:29:43] <Amanda> %tell Inari you cant
just go sending AIs back in time to prevent the apocolypse i worked
so hard to arrange!
L2[00:29:43] <MichiBot> Amanda: Inari will
be notified of this message when next seen.
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L4[01:04:03] <Amanda> %choose bring back out
the laptop to update space foxgirl?
L5[01:04:03] <MichiBot> Amanda: Ah... well,
I'd say wait an hour.
L6[01:04:24] <Amanda> no, in an hour ill be
asleep
L7[01:04:34] 
<Z0idberg>
@Bob Remote debugging allows you to run shit remote over SSH and
debug / edit locally as if it were running on your machine
<Z0idberg>
@Bob Remote debugging allows you to run shit remote over SSH and
debug / edit locally as if it were running on your machineL8[01:04:44] <Z0idberg>
it's been possible for ever, but vscode makes it really nice.
<Z0idberg>
it's been possible for ever, but vscode makes it really nice.L9[01:11:17] <Amanda> @Z0idberg but consider
this: emacs tramp
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L14[02:28:30] <sapphicfettucine> neat
<sapphicfettucine> neatL15[02:28:41] <sapphicfettucine> testing out a lua
module interface with the same interface as the default lua
scripts
<sapphicfettucine> testing out a lua
module interface with the same interface as the default lua
scriptsL16[02:28:53] <sapphicfettucine> 5-6x faster on a simple
invoke
<sapphicfettucine> 5-6x faster on a simple
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L19[02:56:32] <Z0idberg>
Amanda: Tramp mode is great
<Z0idberg>
Amanda: Tramp mode is greatL20[02:56:38] <Z0idberg>
I've used it
<Z0idberg>
I've used itL21[05:42:31] <Deltatheta> Hi! I just found out about
OC2 and had a few questions. 1. Is it in active development? 2. How
hard would it be to add software to the Linux "distro"
running in the VM? 3. How hard would it be to add support for
in-world use of a different programing language, like C,C++,Python,
Rust or Nim (outside of the computer, in the Minecraft world)? 4.
Is a 1.19 version planned?
<Deltatheta> Hi! I just found out about
OC2 and had a few questions. 1. Is it in active development? 2. How
hard would it be to add software to the Linux "distro"
running in the VM? 3. How hard would it be to add support for
in-world use of a different programing language, like C,C++,Python,
Rust or Nim (outside of the computer, in the Minecraft world)? 4.
Is a 1.19 version planned?L22[05:43:58] <Deltatheta> Hi! I just found out about
OC2 and had a few questions. 1. Is it in active development? 2. How
hard would it be to add software to the Linux "distro"
running in the VM? 3. How hard would it be to add support for
in-world use of a different programing language, like C,C++,Python,
Rust or Nim (Outside of the computer, in the Minecraft world)? 4.
Is a 1.19 version planned? [Edited]
<Deltatheta> Hi! I just found out about
OC2 and had a few questions. 1. Is it in active development? 2. How
hard would it be to add software to the Linux "distro"
running in the VM? 3. How hard would it be to add support for
in-world use of a different programing language, like C,C++,Python,
Rust or Nim (Outside of the computer, in the Minecraft world)? 4.
Is a 1.19 version planned? [Edited]L23[05:54:45] ⇦
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L24[05:54:51] <sapphicfettucine> on 1., yep
<sapphicfettucine> on 1., yepL25[05:54:51] <sapphicfettucine> 2. you can use
datapacks to add files and <https://github.com/fnuecke/buildroot> has build
scripts for a lot of general linux stuff
<sapphicfettucine> 2. you can use
datapacks to add files and <https://github.com/fnuecke/buildroot> has build
scripts for a lot of general linux stuffL26[05:54:51] <sapphicfettucine> 3. depends on what you
mean by in-world use - compiling software on the machine itself or
running software compiled from outside it?
<sapphicfettucine> 3. depends on what you
mean by in-world use - compiling software on the machine itself or
running software compiled from outside it?L27[05:56:12] <sapphicfettucine> @Deltatheta if it's the
latter case, python - probably harder. it's heavy and needs to be
run on the machine itself
<sapphicfettucine> @Deltatheta if it's the
latter case, python - probably harder. it's heavy and needs to be
run on the machine itselfL28[05:56:12] <sapphicfettucine> every other language -
should be doable! i know Amanda has written C++ software for it,
and i'm writing rust
<sapphicfettucine> every other language -
should be doable! i know Amanda has written C++ software for it,
and i'm writing rustL29[05:57:19] <Bob> if
you want, i have a template for a Rust setup
<Bob> if
you want, i have a template for a Rust setupL30[05:57:36] <Bob>
requires a buildroot toolchain too (bootlin guys provide RISC-V
MUSL toolchains for that so its piss easy)
<Bob>
requires a buildroot toolchain too (bootlin guys provide RISC-V
MUSL toolchains for that so its piss easy)L31[05:58:03] <Deltatheta> 3. I mean something like
using a different language like C++ to operate robots in the
minecraft world
<Deltatheta> 3. I mean something like
using a different language like C++ to operate robots in the
minecraft worldL32[05:58:10] <Bob>
>Z0idberg: <@!202281082047954954> Remote debugging allows
you to run shit remote …
<Bob>
>Z0idberg: <@!202281082047954954> Remote debugging allows
you to run shit remote …L33[05:58:11] <Bob> so
remote developement 🤔 but how would it for example transfer / edit
the compiled executable, as there's no way in hell i get rustc into
OC2
<Bob> so
remote developement 🤔 but how would it for example transfer / edit
the compiled executable, as there's no way in hell i get rustc into
OC2L34[05:58:13] <sapphicfettucine> 100% possible
<sapphicfettucine> 100% possibleL35[05:58:22] <Bob>
Amanda uses C++ in OC2 already
<Bob>
Amanda uses C++ in OC2 alreadyL36[05:58:25] <sapphicfettucine> yea
<sapphicfettucine> yeaL37[05:58:47] <sapphicfettucine> and i have some easy
bindings for rust and the robot api, <https://docs.rs/miku-rpc/latest/miku_rpc/wrappers/trait.RobotInterface.html>
<sapphicfettucine> and i have some easy
bindings for rust and the robot api, <https://docs.rs/miku-rpc/latest/miku_rpc/wrappers/trait.RobotInterface.html>L38[05:58:52] <Bob> just
use the same buildroot toolchain
<Bob> just
use the same buildroot toolchainL39[05:59:01] <Bob>
>sapphicfettucine: and i have some easy bindings for rust and
the robot api, <https://doc…
<Bob>
>sapphicfettucine: and i have some easy bindings for rust and
the robot api, <https://doc…L40[05:59:01] <Bob> i
need to finish my generator sometime
<Bob> i
need to finish my generator sometimeL41[06:00:26] <Deltatheta> @Bob Can I program and
compile rust programs in-game?
<Deltatheta> @Bob Can I program and
compile rust programs in-game?L42[06:00:35] <sapphicfettucine> no
<sapphicfettucine> noL43[06:00:42] <Bob> nope,
neither with C++
<Bob> nope,
neither with C++L44[06:00:49] <sapphicfettucine> you can manage it with
c
<sapphicfettucine> you can manage it with
cL45[06:00:49] <Bob> gotta
work IRL and import ingame
<Bob> gotta
work IRL and import ingameL46[06:00:58] <Bob>
microc at best 🤔
<Bob>
microc at best 🤔L47[06:01:09] <sapphicfettucine> but every other
language is probably too heavy to be usable, and rust specially is
[gestures vaguely at cursed pile of a build system]
<sapphicfettucine> but every other
language is probably too heavy to be usable, and rust specially is
[gestures vaguely at cursed pile of a build system]L48[06:01:40] <Bob> well
lets say that Rust really loves statical linking
<Bob> well
lets say that Rust really loves statical linkingL49[06:02:01] <sapphicfettucine> and many other cursed
things
<sapphicfettucine> and many other cursed
thingsL50[06:02:54] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL51[06:02:54] <MichiBot> Darn! Forecaster!
You beat Vaur's previous record of 6 hours, 20 minutes and 28
seconds (By 1 hour, 14 minutes and 50 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L52[06:02:55] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 7 hours, 35 minutes and 19 seconds! Forecaster also
gained 0.00875 (0.00125 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
Position #3. Need 0.06518432 more points to pass Michiyo!
L53[06:03:13] <Deltatheta> So I could use GCC
in-game?
<Deltatheta> So I could use GCC
in-game?L54[06:04:04] <Bob> if
you manage to make all of the toolchain be under 8MB, sure
<Bob> if
you manage to make all of the toolchain be under 8MB, sureL55[06:04:41] <sapphicfettucine> (or simply replace the
linux image but that's a bit more trouble)
<sapphicfettucine> (or simply replace the
linux image but that's a bit more trouble)L56[06:05:32] <Bob> then
the compiling itself
<Bob> then
the compiling itselfL57[06:12:56] <Deltatheta> Why is the limit 8MB?
<Deltatheta> Why is the limit 8MB?L58[06:19:08] <Deltatheta> And why would it be o hard to
replace the Linux image?
<Deltatheta> And why would it be o hard to
replace the Linux image?L59[06:19:17] <Deltatheta> And why would it be so hard
to replace the Linux image? [Edited]
<Deltatheta> And why would it be so hard
to replace the Linux image? [Edited]L60[06:20:35] <sapphicfettucine> oh, it's not that hard
but you do have to alter the mod jar
<sapphicfettucine> oh, it's not that hard
but you do have to alter the mod jarL61[06:20:55] <sapphicfettucine> if you open the sedna
jar you can replace the Image and rootfs files in the generated
folder
<sapphicfettucine> if you open the sedna
jar you can replace the Image and rootfs files in the generated
folderL62[06:26:54] <Deltatheta> Is there a possibility of
compiling C++ code in-game?
<Deltatheta> Is there a possibility of
compiling C++ code in-game?L63[06:29:07] <Bob>
again, if you compile the gcc toolchain and manage to slap it into
a small ass drive
<Bob>
again, if you compile the gcc toolchain and manage to slap it into
a small ass driveL64[06:29:07] <Bob>
sure
<Bob>
sureL65[06:29:12] <Bob> just
dont bother lol
<Bob> just
dont bother lolL66[06:32:00] <f03n1x>
would java be possible, could you imagine, developing minecraft
mods while inside minecraft lol
<f03n1x>
would java be possible, could you imagine, developing minecraft
mods while inside minecraft lolL67[06:33:11] <Deltatheta> @Bob But why is the limit
8MB?
<Deltatheta> @Bob But why is the limit
8MB?L68[06:34:30] <CompanionCube> minecraft
needs graphics acceleration and also RAM.
L69[06:34:42] <Bob>
>f03n1x: would java be possible, could you imagine, developing
minecraft mods w…
<Bob>
>f03n1x: would java be possible, could you imagine, developing
minecraft mods w…L70[06:34:43] <Bob> i
doubt that the JVM would be happy with the environement
<Bob> i
doubt that the JVM would be happy with the environementL71[06:34:47] <Bob> its
damn fat and requires a lot of RAM
<Bob> its
damn fat and requires a lot of RAML72[06:34:57] <f03n1x>
yeah that's true
<f03n1x>
yeah that's trueL73[06:34:59] <Bob> at
best maybe kotlin since it compiles to native code
<Bob> at
best maybe kotlin since it compiles to native codeL74[06:35:00] <Bob> but
not Java
<Bob> but
not JavaL75[06:35:17] <Bob>
>Deltatheta: <@!202281082047954954> But why is the limit
8MB?
<Bob>
>Deltatheta: <@!202281082047954954> But why is the limit
8MB?L76[06:35:18] <Bob> p
sure thats the hard drive drive limit
<Bob> p
sure thats the hard drive drive limitL77[06:35:21] <CompanionCube> also
L78[06:35:33] <CompanionCube> musl is
lowercase.
L79[06:36:58] <Deltatheta> Can't the hard drive limit be
modified?
<Deltatheta> Can't the hard drive limit be
modified?L80[06:37:11] <CompanionCube> inb4 solve
8MB issue with in-game RAID :)
L81[06:38:09] <CompanionCube> but i would
expect it's a config
L82[06:48:55] <sapphicfettucine> >Bob: p sure thats
the hard drive drive limit
<sapphicfettucine> >Bob: p sure thats
the hard drive drive limitL83[06:48:55] <sapphicfettucine> not for root
<sapphicfettucine> not for rootL84[06:49:00] <sapphicfettucine> you can make root as
big as you want
<sapphicfettucine> you can make root as
big as you wantL85[06:49:18] <sapphicfettucine> it's a buildroot
setting
<sapphicfettucine> it's a buildroot
settingL86[06:49:25] <Bob>
🤔
<Bob>
🤔L87[06:49:51] <sapphicfettucine> the root filesystem is
a standalone image that's loaded when you make a computer
<sapphicfettucine> the root filesystem is
a standalone image that's loaded when you make a computerL88[06:49:59] <sapphicfettucine> so it doesn't follow
the same rules as the other hard drives
<sapphicfettucine> so it doesn't follow
the same rules as the other hard drivesL89[06:50:58] <Bob> lets
shove there cc, rustc and the jvm
<Bob> lets
shove there cc, rustc and the jvmL90[06:51:24] <sapphicfettucine> i don't think there
even is a riscv rustc build right now, though you could make
one
<sapphicfettucine> i don't think there
even is a riscv rustc build right now, though you could make
oneL91[06:51:30] <sapphicfettucine> but yea i got
transmission running lol
<sapphicfettucine> but yea i got
transmission running lolL92[06:54:23] <Bob> Yeah
gotta build rustc ourselves
<Bob> Yeah
gotta build rustc ourselvesL93[06:57:44] <Deltatheta> >sapphicfettucine: on 1.,
yep
<Deltatheta> >sapphicfettucine: on 1.,
yepL95[06:57:44] <Deltatheta> GCC is in the
repository!
<Deltatheta> GCC is in the
repository!L96[06:58:25] <Bob> yes
?? thats what buildroot is, a c toolchain and linkers
<Bob> yes
?? thats what buildroot is, a c toolchain and linkersL97[06:58:58] <sapphicfettucine> i think they mean a
buildscript, bob
<sapphicfettucine> i think they mean a
buildscript, bobL98[06:59:23] <Deltatheta> That's what I meant.
<Deltatheta> That's what I meant.L99[06:59:27] <Bob> oh
well, there must be for that too
<Bob> oh
well, there must be for that tooL100[07:00:17] <Deltatheta> That means that it would be
fairly easy to add in-game C and C++ compiling right?
<Deltatheta> That means that it would be
fairly easy to add in-game C and C++ compiling right?L101[07:00:39] <Bob> i'd
be worried for the speeds but yeah why not
<Bob> i'd
be worried for the speeds but yeah why notL102[07:05:23] <Deltatheta> It should have no speed
troubles running once compiled though, right?
<Deltatheta> It should have no speed
troubles running once compiled though, right?L103[07:05:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya: is
it just me or would OC2 be a good environment for a plan9
grid...
L104[07:05:49] <Izaya> that could be
interesting
L105[07:05:54] <Izaya> more interesting
than linux certainly
L106[07:05:56] <sapphicfettucine> >Deltatheta: It
should have no speed troubles running once compiled though,
right?
<sapphicfettucine> >Deltatheta: It
should have no speed troubles running once compiled though,
right?L107[07:05:56] <sapphicfettucine> well, the vm is not
fast
<sapphicfettucine> well, the vm is not
fastL108[07:05:59] <sapphicfettucine> oh my gods
<sapphicfettucine> oh my godsL109[07:06:30] <sapphicfettucine> sickos at hearing the
name plan9 spoken once more: haha! yes! YES!
<sapphicfettucine> sickos at hearing the
name plan9 spoken once more: haha! yes! YES!L110[07:06:59] <CompanionCube> i bet
9front does riscv
L111[07:19:18] <Bob>
bruh
<Bob>
bruhL112[07:19:34] <Bob> ill
be so behind when ill finally become free
<Bob> ill
be so behind when ill finally become freeL113[07:19:59] <CompanionCube> aw it
doesn't
L114[07:39:37] <sapphicfettucine> miku-rpc update for the
lua module support out :D <https://github.com/emily-signet/miku-rpc>
<sapphicfettucine> miku-rpc update for the
lua module support out :D <https://github.com/emily-signet/miku-rpc>L115[07:40:32] <sapphicfettucine> the code is so cursed
:D
<sapphicfettucine> the code is so cursed
:DL116[07:40:38] <sapphicfettucine> help :D
<sapphicfettucine> help :DL117[07:42:46] <FLORANA>
curious is it possible to detect if someone is standing on a
touchscreen?
<FLORANA>
curious is it possible to detect if someone is standing on a
touchscreen?L118[07:43:18] <FLORANA>
like footprint touch detection
<FLORANA>
like footprint touch detectionL119[07:45:04] <Forecaster> I believe screens send a
touch event when stepped on
<Forecaster> I believe screens send a
touch event when stepped onL120[08:07:28] <FLORANA>
was wondering cause i never messed with it but i was watching a
computer craft video and was thinking... would that trigger the
screen? cause it would be cool to make a animated ripple as people
walk on the floor
<FLORANA>
was wondering cause i never messed with it but i was watching a
computer craft video and was thinking... would that trigger the
screen? cause it would be cool to make a animated ripple as people
walk on the floorL121[08:08:27] ⇦
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>FLORANA: was wondering cause i never messed with it but i was
watching a comput…
<Bob>
>FLORANA: was wondering cause i never messed with it but i was
watching a comput…L125[09:06:59] <Bob> Ben
already made OC Chess using step events
<Bob> Ben
already made OC Chess using step eventsL126[09:07:00] <Bob> i
just have a casual chess thing but i think playersize OC chess can
be fun
<Bob> i
just have a casual chess thing but i think playersize OC chess can
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L129[09:30:41] <FLORANA>
uh i do have a question about the nano machines
<FLORANA>
uh i do have a question about the nano machinesL130[09:31:18] <FLORANA> i
was looking at the github, and found this
`NeuralNetwork.scala`
<FLORANA> i
was looking at the github, and found this
`NeuralNetwork.scala`L131[09:31:19] <FLORANA>
is this a legit Neural Network within the code or?
<FLORANA>
is this a legit Neural Network within the code or?L132[09:52:38] <Bob> look
at its source and see
<Bob> look
at its source and seeL133[09:52:57] <Bob> there
are no machine learning neural nets anywhere sadly as far as i am
aware
<Bob> there
are no machine learning neural nets anywhere sadly as far as i am
awareL134[09:55:40] <Izaya> probably for
assigning random effects
L135[09:55:57] <Izaya> unsure if it'd
actually be a really simple neural network or it's just
superficially similar so it was a good name for it
L136[10:05:08] <FLORANA> i
just loaded my modpack and... minecraft are you ok?? XD
<FLORANA> i
just loaded my modpack and... minecraft are you ok?? XDL138[10:49:02] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL139[10:49:02] <MichiBot> You drink a
fragrant nectar potion (New!). Forecaster's favourite pants
suddenly disintegrates.
L140[10:49:09] <Forecaster> dangit
<Forecaster> dangitL141[12:00:12] <Z0idberg>
>FLORANA:
<Z0idberg>
>FLORANA:L142[12:00:13] <Z0idberg>
Antidarwinism
<Z0idberg>
AntidarwinismL143[12:00:42] <Z0idberg>
The same stupid people who put "known to cause cancer in the
state of california" labels and "choking hazard"
labels on your shit.
<Z0idberg>
The same stupid people who put "known to cause cancer in the
state of california" labels and "choking hazard"
labels on your shit.L144[12:01:39] <Z0idberg>
It's funny, only the choking hazard thing was around when I was
growing up
<Z0idberg>
It's funny, only the choking hazard thing was around when I was
growing upL145[12:02:35] <Z0idberg>
everything else pretty much spoiled the fun once I was in high
school. It was interesting because we always made fun of it
<Z0idberg>
everything else pretty much spoiled the fun once I was in high
school. It was interesting because we always made fun of itL146[12:05:01] <Amanda> Pretty sure
"Known to cause cancer in the state of california" is an
80s law. Might not have been forced into packaging until later
though
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L148[12:07:09] <Amanda> * onto
L149[12:08:20] <Amanda> That said, I don't
agree that they're stupid warnings. Human life is precious, people
shouldn't just go "Oh well!" when someone dies because of
ignorance
L150[12:12:19] <FLORANA>
... hey i forget if i asked this before, but is there or would
there be a bear-bones or assembly like language or is it forced to
be LUA only?
<FLORANA>
... hey i forget if i asked this before, but is there or would
there be a bear-bones or assembly like language or is it forced to
be LUA only?L151[12:12:40] <Amanda> Thistle does a
6508
L152[12:13:45] <FLORANA>
isn't that a 3rd party mod tho?
<FLORANA>
isn't that a 3rd party mod tho?L153[12:14:52] <Amanda> yes
L154[12:15:00] <Amanda> There won't be any
first-party support for it
L155[12:15:20] <Amanda> The whole point of
having a pluggable architecture was so other mods could do stuff
like that
L156[12:15:36] <FLORANA>
so what your saying is i would need my own mod to make one?
'3'
<FLORANA>
so what your saying is i would need my own mod to make one?
'3'L157[12:15:53] <Amanda> Or use an existing
one, yes
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L159[12:16:31] <FLORANA>
alittle of a let down but i gess that makes sence -w-
<FLORANA>
alittle of a let down but i gess that makes sence -w-L160[12:24:40] *
Amanda boops Inari
L161[12:25:44] <Amanda> Also that
warning's been in there since before MS bought Mojang. After some
big account-phishing thing went around some public servers,
IIRC
L162[12:25:45] <Inari> Nep
L163[12:25:53] <Bob>
>FLORANA: ... hey i forget if i asked this before, but is there
or would there b…
<Bob>
>FLORANA: ... hey i forget if i asked this before, but is there
or would there b…L164[12:25:53] <Bob> OC2
🤔
<Bob> OC2
🤔L165[12:26:00] <Inari> Amanda: of course I
can, and I will!
L166[12:26:07] <Amanda> rude!
L167[12:26:08] <FLORANA>
why does this login glitch for 1.7.10 still exist .w. (it registers
a left click button without me clicking and break whatever i'm
facing, like why??)
<FLORANA>
why does this login glitch for 1.7.10 still exist .w. (it registers
a left click button without me clicking and break whatever i'm
facing, like why??)L168[12:26:51] <Amanda> Maybe because
1.7.10 is howevermany years old, and isn't gooing to be updated any
more than a snowball has a chance in hell
L169[12:27:25] <FLORANA> i
mean lot of people still use it from time to time '3'
<FLORANA> i
mean lot of people still use it from time to time '3'L170[12:27:56] <Amanda> I'm not aware of
any mods that are actively supporting it
L171[12:28:08] <Amanda> other than
OC1
L172[12:28:31] <Inari> 1.4.7 were the true
times
L173[12:28:50] <FLORANA>
wait OC 2 is a thing??
<FLORANA>
wait OC 2 is a thing??L174[12:28:57] <Inari> kinda sorta
L175[12:29:02] <Amanda> yes, 1.18+ only,
no backports, very early alpha
L176[12:29:18] <Bob> runs
RISC-V
<Bob> runs
RISC-VL177[12:29:41] <FLORANA> i
thought it was just a joke
<FLORANA> i
thought it was just a jokeL178[12:29:48] <Amanda> No, it's
real
L179[12:30:44] <FLORANA>
no i mean all along i thought it was, the idea was thrown around
like months ago
<FLORANA>
no i mean all along i thought it was, the idea was thrown around
like months agoL180[12:31:13] <Amanda> It's been a thing
since late last year
L181[12:31:17] <Bob> it
was a thing already
<Bob> it
was a thing alreadyL182[12:31:32] <Bob> yeah,
Sangar's a god rn
<Bob> yeah,
Sangar's a god rnL183[12:31:45] <FLORANA>
but huh... the GUI looks better...
<FLORANA>
but huh... the GUI looks better...L184[12:31:57] <FLORANA>
then i suck at time management expecially with memory
<FLORANA>
then i suck at time management expecially with memoryL185[12:32:09] <FLORANA>
*then again (again i hate english lol)
<FLORANA>
*then again (again i hate english lol)L186[12:33:26] <Bob> why
manage memory lol
<Bob> why
manage memory lolL187[12:33:31] <Bob> use
Rust ™️
<Bob> use
Rust ™️L188[12:34:15] <Z0idberg>
Because we have little shitheads who don't know what memory
management is about
<Z0idberg>
Because we have little shitheads who don't know what memory
management is aboutL189[12:34:18] <FLORANA>
well that doesn't help when brains are not rustable
<FLORANA>
well that doesn't help when brains are not rustableL190[12:34:23] <Z0idberg>
and they invent things like Java libraries
<Z0idberg>
and they invent things like Java librariesL191[12:34:26] <FLORANA>
well that doesn't help when brains aren't rustable [Edited]
<FLORANA>
well that doesn't help when brains aren't rustable [Edited]L192[12:36:52] <Z0idberg>
why am I reminded back in college (this was over a decade ago)
there was this guy sitting there with his macbook and he was in the
lounge right? He started saying stupid ass shit like "People
who call programming coding aren't real programmers there's no such
thing as a coder blah blah blah"
<Z0idberg>
why am I reminded back in college (this was over a decade ago)
there was this guy sitting there with his macbook and he was in the
lounge right? He started saying stupid ass shit like "People
who call programming coding aren't real programmers there's no such
thing as a coder blah blah blah"L193[12:36:57] <Z0idberg>
I just ignored him but
<Z0idberg>
I just ignored him butL194[12:37:11] <Z0idberg>
And I know this is unrelated
<Z0idberg>
And I know this is unrelatedL195[12:37:35] <Z0idberg>
Anyways he was some Java nut.
<Z0idberg>
Anyways he was some Java nut.L196[12:37:55] <Inari> >Java
L197[12:38:02] <Inari> >thinks he's a
real programmer
L198[12:38:11] <Bob> Java
🤢
<Bob> Java
🤢L199[12:38:28] <Z0idberg>
I write Java for my job, unfortunately
<Z0idberg>
I write Java for my job, unfortunatelyL200[12:39:18] <FLORANA>
i've been tempted to make stuff in java cause of the global
compatibility but still the inefficiency is what gets me :\
<FLORANA>
i've been tempted to make stuff in java cause of the global
compatibility but still the inefficiency is what gets me :\L201[12:39:39] <Z0idberg>
Let's write a Hello World application using 32GB of RAM
<Z0idberg>
Let's write a Hello World application using 32GB of RAML202[12:40:11] <Z0idberg>
Check the advertising, it says "Over 1000 abstractions per
line!"
<Z0idberg>
Check the advertising, it says "Over 1000 abstractions per
line!"L203[12:40:17] <FLORANA>
ikr java sucks at memory management
<FLORANA>
ikr java sucks at memory managementL204[12:40:17] <FLORANA>
expecially with dynamic vars
<FLORANA>
expecially with dynamic varsL205[12:40:40] <Bob> eh,
Java sucks altogheter
<Bob> eh,
Java sucks altogheterL206[12:40:47] <Z0idberg>
Some things in Java aren't terrifyingly horrible
<Z0idberg>
Some things in Java aren't terrifyingly horribleL207[12:40:49] <Bob>
everything being boxed on the heap hurts a lot
<Bob>
everything being boxed on the heap hurts a lotL208[12:40:58] <Z0idberg>
to be fair given their situation immutable strings was a reasonable
approach
<Z0idberg>
to be fair given their situation immutable strings was a reasonable
approachL209[12:41:11] <Z0idberg>
But look at what people do with Java
<Z0idberg>
But look at what people do with JavaL210[12:41:12] <Z0idberg>
They form a cult
<Z0idberg>
They form a cultL211[12:41:20] <Bob>
>Z0idberg: to be fair given their situation immutable strings
was a reasonable ap…
<Bob>
>Z0idberg: to be fair given their situation immutable strings
was a reasonable ap…L212[12:41:20] <Bob> well
that i wont disagree, with interning , its resonable
<Bob> well
that i wont disagree, with interning , its resonableL213[12:41:43] <Z0idberg>
Why is the Java cult so similar to the Apple cult?
<Z0idberg>
Why is the Java cult so similar to the Apple cult?L214[12:41:54] <Z0idberg>
Except with Java nobody knows what god looks like
<Z0idberg>
Except with Java nobody knows what god looks likeL215[12:42:13] <Izaya> java is a good argument
against there being any god, but C# is a better one
L216[12:42:26] <Z0idberg>
haha
<Z0idberg>
hahaL217[12:42:27] <Inari> Wdym
L218[12:42:29] <Inari> C# is great
L219[12:42:44] <Izaya> hello welcome to C#
hell we hope you enjoy your stay don't forget to install your
11-tonne IDE
L220[12:42:49] <Izaya> s/C#/OOP/
L221[12:42:49] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
hello welcome to OOP hell we hope you enjoy your stay don't forget
to install your 11-tonne IDE
L222[12:43:07] <Inari> I mean, you can
write procedural-styled if you prefer :P
L223[12:43:10] <FLORANA>
hey curious doesn't Java classify as a Fantasy Computer?
<FLORANA>
hey curious doesn't Java classify as a Fantasy Computer?L224[12:43:15] <Inari> and your IDE can be
notepad for all it cares
L225[12:43:20] <Z0idberg>
`s/C#/Microsoft Java/`
<Z0idberg>
`s/C#/Microsoft Java/`L226[12:43:33] <Izaya> also check out the
ObnoxiouslyInsanelyVerboseVariableNameMuseum
L227[12:43:42] <Inari> Eh
L228[12:43:45] <Inari> Honestly I prefer
that over
L229[12:43:51] <Inari> iCMelmN
L230[12:43:56] <Inari> Cause fuck do I
know what that means
L231[12:43:57] <Z0idberg>
I do wish that C# wasn't so.. platform biased.
<Z0idberg>
I do wish that C# wasn't so.. platform biased.L232[12:44:10] <Z0idberg>
yes there's .net core and shit but ...
<Z0idberg>
yes there's .net core and shit but ...L233[12:44:20] <Inari> Not sure C#
is
L234[12:44:22] <Inari> .Net might be
L235[12:44:34] <Z0idberg>
yeah it's not C# itself so much
<Z0idberg>
yeah it's not C# itself so muchL236[12:44:57] <Amanda> .net core still
assumes windows-ideas first. To launch a program with arguments,
.net core still concats them with spaces, then splits them again
for the exec syscall
L237[12:45:15] <Z0idberg>
It's 2022 though and cross platform is still a hideous issue.
<Z0idberg>
It's 2022 though and cross platform is still a hideous issue.L238[12:45:59] <DaComputerNerd> I had hoped the recent
versions would help but I'm still not sure all the UI stuff is
cross platform yet
<DaComputerNerd> I had hoped the recent
versions would help but I'm still not sure all the UI stuff is
cross platform yetL239[12:50:00] <Z0idberg>
I don't know why but I started working on my OS again
<Z0idberg>
I don't know why but I started working on my OS againL240[12:50:10] <Z0idberg>
my -other- one
<Z0idberg>
my -other- oneL241[12:50:23] <Z0idberg>
I'm making a virtual machine in C
<Z0idberg>
I'm making a virtual machine in CL242[12:51:07] <FLORANA> i
did that once, and then it broke '3'
<FLORANA> i
did that once, and then it broke '3'L243[12:51:11] <Z0idberg>
ha
<Z0idberg>
haL244[12:51:22] <Z0idberg>
well I have remnants of my old hobby exokernel
<Z0idberg>
well I have remnants of my old hobby exokernelL245[12:51:26] <FLORANA>
and i have no idea exactly why it broke
<FLORANA>
and i have no idea exactly why it brokeL246[12:51:42]
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L247[12:51:44] <Z0idberg>
but I think I'm going to start over and run the VM using some fun
machine dependent glue
<Z0idberg>
but I think I'm going to start over and run the VM using some fun
machine dependent glueL248[12:51:53] <Z0idberg>
and then compile programs to the OS instead of the hardware
<Z0idberg>
and then compile programs to the OS instead of the hardwareL249[12:52:17] <Izaya> tfw no motivation
to work on programming projects
L250[12:52:22] <Z0idberg>
The EXTF features of my homemade architecture could be useful for
creating hardware devices
<Z0idberg>
The EXTF features of my homemade architecture could be useful for
creating hardware devicesL251[12:52:41] <Z0idberg>
I've gone through that a couple times
<Z0idberg>
I've gone through that a couple timesL252[12:52:43] <FLORANA>
also what system are you emulating?
<FLORANA>
also what system are you emulating?L253[12:52:43] <Z0idberg>
It sucks
<Z0idberg>
It sucksL254[12:52:46] <Izaya> I just write glue
scripts and play games now I guess
L255[12:52:55] <Z0idberg>
Especially when you -want- to do programming projects but you don't
at the same time
<Z0idberg>
Especially when you -want- to do programming projects but you don't
at the same timeL256[12:53:10] <Izaya> I don't see much
reason to do them at this point tbh
L257[12:53:18] <Z0idberg>
For fun
<Z0idberg>
For funL258[12:53:22] <Z0idberg>
™️
<Z0idberg>
™️L259[12:53:31] ⇦
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L260[12:53:35] <Izaya> yeah but if the
platform's dead it seems sorta pointless
L261[12:53:44] <Z0idberg>
Is Haiku dead?
<Z0idberg>
Is Haiku dead?L262[12:53:51] <Izaya> no?
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L264[12:55:18] <Z0idberg>
OC feels kinda dead ngl
<Z0idberg>
OC feels kinda dead nglL265[12:55:31] <Z0idberg>
Not the community
<Z0idberg>
Not the communityL266[12:55:38] <Z0idberg>
but the initiative to really play Minecraft
<Z0idberg>
but the initiative to really play MinecraftL267[12:55:44] <Z0idberg>
Long term
<Z0idberg>
Long termL268[12:55:46] <Izaya> that's because it
basically is, so everyone's been telling me happily
L269[12:57:00] <Z0idberg>
You know years ago I was like, "I don't see Minecraft thinning
out substantially in the forseeable future" and the premise
was, something would have to replace it
<Z0idberg>
You know years ago I was like, "I don't see Minecraft thinning
out substantially in the forseeable future" and the premise
was, something would have to replace itL270[12:57:17] <Z0idberg>
Funny thing is, I can't think of anything. Nothing that I can think
of has really "replaced" it.
<Z0idberg>
Funny thing is, I can't think of anything. Nothing that I can think
of has really "replaced" it.L271[12:58:22] <Z0idberg>
Oh!
<Z0idberg>
Oh!L272[12:58:30] <Z0idberg>
John Lin is looking for programmers
<Z0idberg>
John Lin is looking for programmersL273[12:58:33] <Z0idberg>
and artists
<Z0idberg>
and artistsL275[12:58:54] <Z0idberg>
The guy who wrote that awesome voxel pint-cloud incredible physics
fun game thing
<Z0idberg>
The guy who wrote that awesome voxel pint-cloud incredible physics
fun game thingL277[12:59:42] <Z0idberg>
this one
<Z0idberg>
this oneL278[12:59:56] <Z0idberg>
They are hiring, maybe you could get some $?!
<Z0idberg>
They are hiring, maybe you could get some $?!L279[13:00:43] <Z0idberg>
I really want to know how this engine really works
<Z0idberg>
I really want to know how this engine really worksL280[13:00:55] <Z0idberg>
I'd totally use the idea to make a space sandbox game if I had the
time
<Z0idberg>
I'd totally use the idea to make a space sandbox game if I had the
timeL282[13:05:27] <Z0idberg>
DST lol
<Z0idberg>
DST lolL283[13:06:37] <Izaya> comfy that the only
thing I'll have to adjust when DST ends next month is my
watch
L284[13:06:44] <Izaya> everything else
comprehends timezones and DST by itself
L285[13:10:17] <Forecaster> I like how that video says
the game is Minecraft
<Forecaster> I like how that video says
the game is MinecraftL286[13:10:28] <Z0idberg>
hahaha
<Z0idberg>
hahahaL287[13:10:43] <Z0idberg>
Izaya: The other day I removed a hidden file on a FAT filesystem
and it wiped the entire partition table of my hard drive.
<Z0idberg>
Izaya: The other day I removed a hidden file on a FAT filesystem
and it wiped the entire partition table of my hard drive.L288[13:11:08] <Izaya> ... what.
L289[13:12:14] <Z0idberg>
Yeah I dunno
<Z0idberg>
Yeah I dunnoL290[13:12:19] <Z0idberg>
vfat freaked the hell out
<Z0idberg>
vfat freaked the hell outL291[13:16:36] <Forecaster> https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/new-linux-bug-in-netfilter-firewall.html
<Forecaster> https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/new-linux-bug-in-netfilter-firewall.htmlL292[13:26:14]
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L293[13:31:21] <Z0idberg>
You know I was thinking that I should upgrade to netfilter
someday
<Z0idberg>
You know I was thinking that I should upgrade to netfilter
somedayL295[13:31:24] <FLORANA>
(epilepsy warning i may add!!)
<FLORANA>
(epilepsy warning i may add!!)L296[13:31:27] <Z0idberg>
I've been using iptables all this time
<Z0idberg>
I've been using iptables all this timeL297[13:31:33] <Z0idberg>
maybe I will just stay with iptables 😄
<Z0idberg>
maybe I will just stay with iptables 😄L298[13:37:52] <Izaya> tfw router dying
forced me back onto iptables
L299[14:14:59] <ThePiGuy24> >FLORANA: i found this
weard AF Fantasy Console XD https://youtu.be/aKMrBaXJvMs
<ThePiGuy24> >FLORANA: i found this
weard AF Fantasy Console XD https://youtu.be/aKMrBaXJvMsL300[14:15:00] <ThePiGuy24> ibniz is neat
<ThePiGuy24> ibniz is neatL301[14:15:24] <Kristopher38> OC is still alive in my
heart >:(
<Kristopher38> OC is still alive in my
heart >:(L302[14:16:00] <FLORANA> i
just found this in my recommendations XD
<FLORANA> i
just found this in my recommendations XDL304[14:16:54] <Izaya> goddamn the S10e is
potato
L305[14:17:15] <Izaya> had to turn down
the update frequency of my awesomewm widgets, and mpd playing opus
is using 15-30% CPU time
L306[14:39:38] <Forecaster> %tonkout
<Forecaster> %tonkoutL307[14:39:38] <MichiBot> Awesome!
Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of 7 hours, 35
minutes and 19 seconds (By 1 hour, 1 minute and 24 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L308[14:39:39] <MichiBot> Forecaster has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk points!
plus 0.014 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
0.59016568, Position #3 Need 0.04318432 more points to pass
Michiyo!
L309[14:48:03] <Forecaster> what a boring video...
<Forecaster> what a boring video...L310[14:52:56] <Izaya> https://mk.absturztau.be/notes/8w6lr8qa5k
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L313[16:13:38] <Z0idberg>
Actually, I haven't watched this but I found this particular one to
be pretty good- that is pretty much about the same shit that title
is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJZzq0v7Z4
<Z0idberg>
Actually, I haven't watched this but I found this particular one to
be pretty good- that is pretty much about the same shit that title
is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyJZzq0v7Z4L314[16:13:45] <Z0idberg>
I listened to this on my drive home one day a couple years
ago
<Z0idberg>
I listened to this on my drive home one day a couple years
agoL315[16:14:05] <Z0idberg>
It's not really about functional programming, but mostly why OOP
saturated everything
<Z0idberg>
It's not really about functional programming, but mostly why OOP
saturated everythingL316[16:15:10] <FLORANA>
which is why you never see me coding in C#
<FLORANA>
which is why you never see me coding in C#L317[16:15:21] <Z0idberg>
It's funny because I personally am not a fan of any language that
takes a forceful approach on paradigm.
<Z0idberg>
It's funny because I personally am not a fan of any language that
takes a forceful approach on paradigm.L318[16:15:49] <Z0idberg>
so for example, Java. 99.99% Object based, not doing so is by
design an anti pattern
<Z0idberg>
so for example, Java. 99.99% Object based, not doing so is by
design an anti patternL319[16:16:33] <Z0idberg>
Haskell. Purely functional. There is little headroom for those who
want to create impure functions without monads.
<Z0idberg>
Haskell. Purely functional. There is little headroom for those who
want to create impure functions without monads.L320[16:16:55] <Z0idberg>
And this is why I like languages that don't enforce a paradigm
religiously, like Elixir
<Z0idberg>
And this is why I like languages that don't enforce a paradigm
religiously, like ElixirL321[16:17:36] <FLORANA> i
don't even mess with haskell tbh
<FLORANA> i
don't even mess with haskell tbhL322[16:17:43] <Z0idberg>
There are parts of most languages, including Java for example that
I appreciate, to be fair
<Z0idberg>
There are parts of most languages, including Java for example that
I appreciate, to be fairL323[16:18:05] <Z0idberg>
It's this whole "oh this is the best language because it
confirms 100% consistency of paradigm" shit that bothers
me
<Z0idberg>
It's this whole "oh this is the best language because it
confirms 100% consistency of paradigm" shit that bothers
meL324[16:19:30] <Z0idberg>
I find there are not enough people in this world who can sit back
and just acknowledge that we have a ton of freedom when it comes to
the implementation of software languages.
<Z0idberg>
I find there are not enough people in this world who can sit back
and just acknowledge that we have a ton of freedom when it comes to
the implementation of software languages.L325[16:21:28] <Z0idberg>
There is too much of "this is better because of X, It's this
way and no other way ever works because Y. It's a load of
crap.
<Z0idberg>
There is too much of "this is better because of X, It's this
way and no other way ever works because Y. It's a load of
crap.L326[16:21:45] <Z0idberg>
The whole, Black and White application of ideas
<Z0idberg>
The whole, Black and White application of ideasL327[16:24:43] <sapphicfettucine> haskell can be really
fun
<sapphicfettucine> haskell can be really
funL328[16:24:49] <Z0idberg>
Absolutely
<Z0idberg>
AbsolutelyL329[16:25:15] <Z0idberg>
I actually don't intend to rat on Haskell too much, but there are
times where it's just like "this is a little too
much"
<Z0idberg>
I actually don't intend to rat on Haskell too much, but there are
times where it's just like "this is a little too
much"L330[16:25:50] <Z0idberg>
I have more cripes with the time it takes to download GHC than
Haskell itself XD
<Z0idberg>
I have more cripes with the time it takes to download GHC than
Haskell itself XDL331[16:25:50] <sapphicfettucine> i mean, it is not made
to be a replacement for anything, i think. it's a unique language
for people who really like functional stuff
<sapphicfettucine> i mean, it is not made
to be a replacement for anything, i think. it's a unique language
for people who really like functional stuffL332[16:25:54] <sapphicfettucine> lmao
<sapphicfettucine> lmaoL333[16:26:01] <sapphicfettucine> now that's a fair
critique right there
<sapphicfettucine> now that's a fair
critique right thereL334[16:26:37] <Ocawesome101> lua is nice for similar
reasons
<Ocawesome101> lua is nice for similar
reasonsL335[16:26:38] <sapphicfettucine> i really like rust's
approach of some functional spicyness while still not feeling
functional
<sapphicfettucine> i really like rust's
approach of some functional spicyness while still not feeling
functionalL336[16:26:38] <Ocawesome101> small and flexible
<Ocawesome101> small and flexibleL337[16:26:56] <Z0idberg>
And also that is fair, there are people out there though who firmly
believe that Haskell should be used for EVERYTHING
<Z0idberg>
And also that is fair, there are people out there though who firmly
believe that Haskell should be used for EVERYTHINGL338[16:27:02] <Z0idberg>
and that it is the only answer
<Z0idberg>
and that it is the only answerL339[16:27:03] <sapphicfettucine> and those people are
mad
<sapphicfettucine> and those people are
madL340[16:27:18] <sapphicfettucine> no language should be
used for everything tbh
<sapphicfettucine> no language should be
used for everything tbhL341[16:27:27] <Z0idberg>
I honestly like to mix my languages
<Z0idberg>
I honestly like to mix my languagesL342[16:27:28] <sapphicfettucine> i'm not gonna write the
things i write as python scripts in rust
<sapphicfettucine> i'm not gonna write the
things i write as python scripts in rustL343[16:27:41] <Z0idberg>
my 2D x86 game engine was a mix of assembly, C and FreeBASIC
XD
<Z0idberg>
my 2D x86 game engine was a mix of assembly, C and FreeBASIC
XDL344[16:27:50] <Bob> Rust
doesnt enforce anything in particular at any time, so it does give
the freedom to attack with different concepts in mind
<Bob> Rust
doesnt enforce anything in particular at any time, so it does give
the freedom to attack with different concepts in mindL345[16:27:59] <Z0idberg>
And that is a great thing about Rust
<Z0idberg>
And that is a great thing about RustL346[16:28:00] <Bob> it
kinda sucks when you gotta use one single paradigm at a time
<Bob> it
kinda sucks when you gotta use one single paradigm at a timeL347[16:28:20] <Bob> Some
stuff is sure non trivial but non impossible and the lang has the
tools for everything
<Bob> Some
stuff is sure non trivial but non impossible and the lang has the
tools for everythingL348[16:28:53] <Z0idberg>
At the end of the day I want a language I can achieve the things I
want to do in the ways that I find valuable for me, with the least
ammount of shit in my way. I guess that's what it comes down
to.
<Z0idberg>
At the end of the day I want a language I can achieve the things I
want to do in the ways that I find valuable for me, with the least
ammount of shit in my way. I guess that's what it comes down
to.L349[16:28:55] <Ocawesome101> i usually trend towards OOP
lua for a lot of things but when i don't need it i don't use it,
and i appreciate that
<Ocawesome101> i usually trend towards OOP
lua for a lot of things but when i don't need it i don't use it,
and i appreciate thatL350[16:29:01] <Ocawesome101> yeah that's a good
summary
<Ocawesome101> yeah that's a good
summaryL351[16:29:10] <Z0idberg>
This is also by the way why I am a Slackware Linux user
<Z0idberg>
This is also by the way why I am a Slackware Linux userL352[16:29:28] <Bob> i use
composition trough OOP in Lua
<Bob> i use
composition trough OOP in LuaL353[16:29:45] <Z0idberg>
YAY!
<Z0idberg>
YAY!L354[16:29:56] <Z0idberg>
I congratulate you on that, it's a lesser known way to do OOP in
Lua
<Z0idberg>
I congratulate you on that, it's a lesser known way to do OOP in
LuaL355[16:30:07] <Bob> being
able to monkey patch is just a godsent for debugging
<Bob> being
able to monkey patch is just a godsent for debuggingL356[16:30:11] <Z0idberg>
and to my opinion a great way to help ensure reliability of
state
<Z0idberg>
and to my opinion a great way to help ensure reliability of
stateL357[16:30:14] <sapphicfettucine> chaotic neutral:
prototype system in lua
<sapphicfettucine> chaotic neutral:
prototype system in luaL358[16:30:22] <Bob> yeah,
Lua's suprisingly flexible for Lua
<Bob> yeah,
Lua's suprisingly flexible for LuaL359[16:30:27] <Bob> also
TCO, my beloved
<Bob> also
TCO, my belovedL360[16:30:32] <sapphicfettucine> lua my beloved
<sapphicfettucine> lua my belovedL361[16:30:33] <Z0idberg>
Yes
<Z0idberg>
YesL362[16:30:42] <sapphicfettucine> i have hometown pride
for lua since it's from my country
<sapphicfettucine> i have hometown pride
for lua since it's from my countryL363[16:30:43] <Z0idberg>
When I did OOP in Lua a bit more I used the composition
method
<Z0idberg>
When I did OOP in Lua a bit more I used the composition
methodL364[16:30:58] <Izaya> people tend to
dismiss Lua because "hurr it's just worse python"
L365[16:31:02] <Z0idberg>
It is technically slower in terms of construction but
<Z0idberg>
It is technically slower in terms of construction butL366[16:31:08] <Izaya> no bitch it's
faster and simpler but just as flexible
L367[16:31:09] <Z0idberg>
it's quite performant for anyones needs really
<Z0idberg>
it's quite performant for anyones needs reallyL368[16:31:18] <sapphicfettucine> they're also not built
for the same thing
<sapphicfettucine> they're also not built
for the same thingL369[16:31:28] <Bob> Lua
still wins by definition 😎
<Bob> Lua
still wins by definition 😎L370[16:31:47] <ThePiGuy24> if lua had nicer libraries
than i would use it more than python, because i dont like pythons
syntax
<ThePiGuy24> if lua had nicer libraries
than i would use it more than python, because i dont like pythons
syntaxL371[16:31:48] <Bob> if
you use LuaPower / LOVE2D, its just the same but better
<Bob> if
you use LuaPower / LOVE2D, its just the same but betterL372[16:31:51] <sapphicfettucine> python is great when i
want to write something quick that messes with a lot of different
areas without too much work
<sapphicfettucine> python is great when i
want to write something quick that messes with a lot of different
areas without too much workL373[16:31:59] <Bob> well,
there are frameworks / library bundle packets for Lua
<Bob> well,
there are frameworks / library bundle packets for LuaL374[16:32:02] <Bob> and i
always used those
<Bob> and i
always used thoseL375[16:32:17] <Z0idberg>
That's the other thing though, I never quite understood the
attraction to Luajit... if you need LuaJIT why not just write C
modules for your Lua code. Lua alone is fast enough for what Lua is
meant for.
<Z0idberg>
That's the other thing though, I never quite understood the
attraction to Luajit... if you need LuaJIT why not just write C
modules for your Lua code. Lua alone is fast enough for what Lua is
meant for.L376[16:32:26] <Z0idberg>
If you need Luajit you're probably.. doing it wrong.
<Z0idberg>
If you need Luajit you're probably.. doing it wrong.L377[16:32:35] <sapphicfettucine> sometimes you want to
make your code faster without rewriting it
<sapphicfettucine> sometimes you want to
make your code faster without rewriting itL378[16:32:37] <Bob>
LuaJIT is fine, + its FFI capabilities are wonderful
<Bob>
LuaJIT is fine, + its FFI capabilities are wonderfulL379[16:32:44] <Bob>
LuaJIT is just good
<Bob>
LuaJIT is just goodL380[16:32:54] <sapphicfettucine> like, if you're using
lua as a script engine for games? you probably want that to run
fast
<sapphicfettucine> like, if you're using
lua as a script engine for games? you probably want that to run
fastL381[16:32:58] <Z0idberg>
Did it ever.. update though?
<Z0idberg>
Did it ever.. update though?L382[16:33:04] <Izaya> LuaJIT low-key
annoys me because it results in software targeting it rather than
current Lua, it's not a big deal it's just sort of annoying
L383[16:33:09] <Z0idberg>
Last I looked at LuaJIT it was stuck in 5.1 with no intention of
updating
<Z0idberg>
Last I looked at LuaJIT it was stuck in 5.1 with no intention of
updatingL384[16:33:10] <sapphicfettucine> i think it's still in
5.2 land
<sapphicfettucine> i think it's still in
5.2 landL385[16:33:13] <Z0idberg>
Ok
<Z0idberg>
OkL386[16:33:22] <Izaya> as long as it's not
5.1
L387[16:33:31] <sapphicfettucine> or somewhat compatible
with 5.2? idk
<sapphicfettucine> or somewhat compatible
with 5.2? idkL388[16:33:34] <Bob>
LuaJIT is basically between 5.1 and 5.2]
<Bob>
LuaJIT is basically between 5.1 and 5.2]L389[16:33:39] <Z0idberg>
I remember like 5 years ago they were like "yeah we're never
updating to 5.2"
<Z0idberg>
I remember like 5 years ago they were like "yeah we're never
updating to 5.2"L390[16:33:40] <Z0idberg>
lol
<Z0idberg>
lolL391[16:33:43] <Z0idberg>
or something
<Z0idberg>
or somethingL392[16:33:43] <sapphicfettucine> 5.1 with JIT
characteristics
<sapphicfettucine> 5.1 with JIT
characteristicsL393[16:33:44] <Bob> it
has a flag to enable compatibility with 5.2
<Bob> it
has a flag to enable compatibility with 5.2L394[16:33:46] <ThePiGuy24> >Z0idberg: That's the
other thing though, I never quite understood the attraction to
Lua…
<ThePiGuy24> >Z0idberg: That's the
other thing though, I never quite understood the attraction to
Lua…L395[16:33:46] <ThePiGuy24> "yeah just rewrite it in
a fundamentally different language, no biggy"
<ThePiGuy24> "yeah just rewrite it in
a fundamentally different language, no biggy"L396[16:33:46] <Bob> but
it isnt quite 5.2
<Bob> but
it isnt quite 5.2L397[16:33:47] <Z0idberg>
maybe it's been 10 years now
<Z0idberg>
maybe it's been 10 years nowL398[16:33:49] <Bob> its
closer to 5.1
<Bob> its
closer to 5.1L399[16:34:02] <Bob> well
Lua 5.3 and 5.4 dont have anyhting shiny or really game
breaking
<Bob> well
Lua 5.3 and 5.4 dont have anyhting shiny or really game
breakingL400[16:34:48] <Bob>
besides maybe ints
<Bob>
besides maybe intsL401[16:35:33] <Z0idberg>
Some of my cripes with Lua itself though are a) It's lexically
scoped. b) there are is no builtin by-value (like a C function)
support for passing around lua tables, or possibly a better
alternative: persistent data trees for tables.
<Z0idberg>
Some of my cripes with Lua itself though are a) It's lexically
scoped. b) there are is no builtin by-value (like a C function)
support for passing around lua tables, or possibly a better
alternative: persistent data trees for tables.L402[16:35:48] <Z0idberg>
Those problems create challenges for OS development in CC/OC
<Z0idberg>
Those problems create challenges for OS development in CC/OCL403[16:36:04] <Hawk777> My main gripe
with Lua: I just happen to like static, declared typing.
L404[16:36:30] <Izaya> 5.3 has ints and
5.4 has gc hooks
L406[16:37:55] <Z0idberg>
When I realized that the environment scope of a function is always
equal to the environment available to the function where it was
declard, I was terrified.
<Z0idberg>
When I realized that the environment scope of a function is always
equal to the environment available to the function where it was
declard, I was terrified.L407[16:38:07] <Bob>
>Z0idberg: Some of my cripes with Lua itself though are a) It's
lexically scoped.…
<Bob>
>Z0idberg: Some of my cripes with Lua itself though are a) It's
lexically scoped.…L408[16:38:07] <Bob> well
fair enough, but in a scripting lang, in scripting scenarios, those
are non issues
<Bob> well
fair enough, but in a scripting lang, in scripting scenarios, those
are non issuesL409[16:38:23] <Z0idberg>
So, for processes, I ended up having to load them into a string
loader which would then talk to the VFS to require modules inside
that loadstring env
<Z0idberg>
So, for processes, I ended up having to load them into a string
loader which would then talk to the VFS to require modules inside
that loadstring envL410[16:38:50] <Z0idberg>
otherwise, processes could call functions inside of other
coroutines to get their local variables.
<Z0idberg>
otherwise, processes could call functions inside of other
coroutines to get their local variables.L411[16:38:50] <Bob> i
dont know how confident i would be about writting an OS in Lua
lol
<Bob> i
dont know how confident i would be about writting an OS in Lua
lolL412[16:39:00] <Z0idberg>
and that would have been very bad
<Z0idberg>
and that would have been very badL413[16:39:05] <Hawk777> sapphicfettucine:
doesn’t look like that would run in OC though?
L414[16:39:14] <Hawk777> AFAICT it doesn’t
*target* Lua, it is just callable from it?
L415[16:39:17] <sapphicfettucine> oh, it wouldn't
<sapphicfettucine> oh, it wouldn'tL416[16:39:34] <sapphicfettucine> there probably is some
lua flavour with typing tho
<sapphicfettucine> there probably is some
lua flavour with typing thoL417[16:40:02] <Hawk777> For non-OC
purposes there are about a zillion languages I can choose from, way
too many to even read about all of them :D
L418[16:40:05] <Z0idberg>
passing references to tables sucked... because it was a message
passing OS, so if any data in the table (like another table
reference) was used in a process and that process sent the table to
another process, the other process could change the data in the
table that belonged to the other process, which I also didn't
want
<Z0idberg>
passing references to tables sucked... because it was a message
passing OS, so if any data in the table (like another table
reference) was used in a process and that process sent the table to
another process, the other process could change the data in the
table that belonged to the other process, which I also didn't
wantL419[16:40:17] <Z0idberg>
sooooo... I ended up having to copy tables as they were sent to
other processes
<Z0idberg>
sooooo... I ended up having to copy tables as they were sent to
other processesL420[16:40:22] <Z0idberg>
ick
<Z0idberg>
ickL421[16:40:37] <Z0idberg>
This is why I wanted a builtin byvalue or persistent tree
copy
<Z0idberg>
This is why I wanted a builtin byvalue or persistent tree
copyL422[16:41:28] <Izaya> CoW tables
L423[16:41:37] <Z0idberg>
Bob, Trotwood (the OS I'm kind of talking about) was actually
mostly functional programming in Lua
<Z0idberg>
Bob, Trotwood (the OS I'm kind of talking about) was actually
mostly functional programming in LuaL424[16:41:55] <Z0idberg>
I spent a great deal of carefulness ensuring that I only worked
with data in functions that were passed to them, etc
<Z0idberg>
I spent a great deal of carefulness ensuring that I only worked
with data in functions that were passed to them, etcL425[16:42:20] <Z0idberg>
never resorting to globally scoped data, ensuring that messages
were handled without any way of influencing other processes state,
etc
<Z0idberg>
never resorting to globally scoped data, ensuring that messages
were handled without any way of influencing other processes state,
etcL426[16:42:35] <Z0idberg>
That way when something crashed it was 100% isolated
<Z0idberg>
That way when something crashed it was 100% isolatedL427[16:43:56] <Ocawesome101> it would be much harder to
make things secure if OC had the full debug API :P
<Ocawesome101> it would be much harder to
make things secure if OC had the full debug API :PL428[16:44:02] <Z0idberg>
Yeah
<Z0idberg>
YeahL429[16:44:09] <Ocawesome101> and in CC, it is
harder
<Ocawesome101> and in CC, it is
harderL430[16:44:35] <Z0idberg>
I kind of wish that setfenv was still around. I don't care about
getfenv, unfortunately setfenv was not very reliable because Lua is
lexically scoped, as the Lua devs told me
<Z0idberg>
I kind of wish that setfenv was still around. I don't care about
getfenv, unfortunately setfenv was not very reliable because Lua is
lexically scoped, as the Lua devs told meL431[16:44:43] <Z0idberg>
so it was removed with getfenv
<Z0idberg>
so it was removed with getfenvL432[16:45:09] <Z0idberg>
But I would have been fine with setfenv still available.
<Z0idberg>
But I would have been fine with setfenv still available.L433[16:46:05] <Z0idberg>
I do think that persistent structure tables is definitely a
reasonable request for them though.
<Z0idberg>
I do think that persistent structure tables is definitely a
reasonable request for them though.L434[16:46:23] <Z0idberg>
i.e., when you change the value in a lua table, it creates a new
root with updated paths.
<Z0idberg>
i.e., when you change the value in a lua table, it creates a new
root with updated paths.L435[16:46:53] <Z0idberg>
this way you can't actually modify tables between two coroutines
that will effect the other.
<Z0idberg>
this way you can't actually modify tables between two coroutines
that will effect the other.L436[16:47:01] <Z0idberg>
not without repassing the new root
<Z0idberg>
not without repassing the new rootL437[16:48:45] <Z0idberg>
I kinda wonder if I could actually do this in Lua using some
metatable magic
<Z0idberg>
I kinda wonder if I could actually do this in Lua using some
metatable magicL438[16:48:51] <Ocawesome101> probably so
<Ocawesome101> probably soL439[16:48:54] <Ocawesome101> metatables are
ridiculous
<Ocawesome101> metatables are
ridiculousL440[16:49:12] <Ocawesome101> i don't think cynosure's
syscall api has anything particularly vulnerable in it - that is,
anything that takes a table
<Ocawesome101> i don't think cynosure's
syscall api has anything particularly vulnerable in it - that is,
anything that takes a tableL441[16:49:29] <Z0idberg>
could inject a function like table.persist(t)
<Z0idberg>
could inject a function like table.persist(t)L442[16:49:56] <Z0idberg>
which makes a special metatble (persistent) table
<Z0idberg>
which makes a special metatble (persistent) tableL443[16:49:59] <Ocawesome101> i used metatables to make
certain tables read-only in ULOS 1.0 for security
<Ocawesome101> i used metatables to make
certain tables read-only in ULOS 1.0 for securityL444[16:50:15] <Z0idberg>
shoudl work then
<Z0idberg>
shoudl work thenL445[16:50:21] <Z0idberg>
persistent tables are still in theory read only
<Z0idberg>
persistent tables are still in theory read onlyL446[16:50:34] <Z0idberg>
it's just that you can overload the paths to nodes with new
ones
<Z0idberg>
it's just that you can overload the paths to nodes with new
onesL447[16:50:42] <Z0idberg>
and the old table reference can still read the old ones
<Z0idberg>
and the old table reference can still read the old onesL448[16:52:38] <Z0idberg>
I wish that more games like Space Engineers honestly used Lua
though
<Z0idberg>
I wish that more games like Space Engineers honestly used Lua
thoughL449[16:52:53] <Z0idberg>
because then I'd be able to run Trotwood on them as long as I had
the memory
<Z0idberg>
because then I'd be able to run Trotwood on them as long as I had
the memoryL450[16:53:14] <Z0idberg>
It already doesnt' care if youre running in CC, OC, or in a basic
Linux shell just by typing lua on the linux command line
<Z0idberg>
It already doesnt' care if youre running in CC, OC, or in a basic
Linux shell just by typing lua on the linux command lineL451[16:53:24] <Z0idberg>
I abstracted the event pollig
<Z0idberg>
I abstracted the event polligL452[16:53:28] <Ocawesome101> nice
<Ocawesome101> niceL453[16:53:29] <Z0idberg>
polling*
<Z0idberg>
polling*L454[16:53:38] <Ocawesome101> and presumably component
interactions too?
<Ocawesome101> and presumably component
interactions too?L455[16:54:08] <Z0idberg>
yeah. You need to write a few drivers for some things... but
<Z0idberg>
yeah. You need to write a few drivers for some things... butL456[16:54:24] <Z0idberg>
like for example the driver for the gpu obviously can't be used in
Trotwood outside of OC
<Z0idberg>
like for example the driver for the gpu obviously can't be used in
Trotwood outside of OCL457[16:54:31] <Z0idberg>
you need to replace it with a different driver
<Z0idberg>
you need to replace it with a different driverL458[16:54:44] <Ocawesome101> yeah
<Ocawesome101> yeahL459[16:54:58] <Z0idberg>
On bare Linux there is none
<Z0idberg>
On bare Linux there is noneL460[16:55:03] <Z0idberg>
it just used the stdio driver
<Z0idberg>
it just used the stdio driverL461[16:55:12] <Ocawesome101> Cynosure 2 abstracts away
pretty much all of the underlying system too, only supplying
userspace with VT100 streams
<Ocawesome101> Cynosure 2 abstracts away
pretty much all of the underlying system too, only supplying
userspace with VT100 streamsL462[16:55:25] <Ocawesome101> you can still do direct
component access, but only through `ioctl` on certain files
<Ocawesome101> you can still do direct
component access, but only through `ioctl` on certain filesL463[16:55:44] <Z0idberg>
yeah I almost got rid of component access but then Iw as like
"why"
<Z0idberg>
yeah I almost got rid of component access but then Iw as like
"why"L464[16:55:56] <Ocawesome101> this means it would be
possible in theory to write an equivalent CC kernel that would be
perfectly compatible
<Ocawesome101> this means it would be
possible in theory to write an equivalent CC kernel that would be
perfectly compatibleL465[16:55:59] <Z0idberg>
because I found nothing inherently wrong with component access
directly
<Z0idberg>
because I found nothing inherently wrong with component access
directlyL466[16:56:10] <Ocawesome101> part of it is filesystem
permissions
<Ocawesome101> part of it is filesystem
permissionsL467[16:56:30] <Z0idberg>
I was looking to make a device tree driver thing though
<Z0idberg>
I was looking to make a device tree driver thing thoughL468[16:56:31] <Ocawesome101> if you give userspace
unrestricted component access a malicious program can completely
bypass them
<Ocawesome101> if you give userspace
unrestricted component access a malicious program can completely
bypass themL469[16:56:34] <Z0idberg>
kind of like how sysfs works
<Z0idberg>
kind of like how sysfs worksL470[16:56:50] <Z0idberg>
so you could direct file IO to components and things
<Z0idberg>
so you could direct file IO to components and thingsL471[16:56:58] <Ocawesome101> cynosure 2 was initially
going to be cross-platform but consistent device representation was
where i got stuck
<Ocawesome101> cynosure 2 was initially
going to be cross-platform but consistent device representation was
where i got stuckL472[16:57:01] <Ocawesome101> so i rewrote it
<Ocawesome101> so i rewrote itL473[16:57:28] <Z0idberg>
I have been back and forth with Trotwood.. I really want to see
more games I could extend it to 😦
<Z0idberg>
I have been back and forth with Trotwood.. I really want to see
more games I could extend it to 😦L474[16:57:44] <Z0idberg>
I don't really play MC much anymore
<Z0idberg>
I don't really play MC much anymoreL475[16:57:49] <Ocawesome101> there was that, and not
wanting to have to rewrite large parts of the TTY code to make it
run in CC - particularly input
<Ocawesome101> there was that, and not
wanting to have to rewrite large parts of the TTY code to make it
run in CC - particularly inputL476[16:57:56] <Ocawesome101> among other things
<Ocawesome101> among other thingsL477[16:59:55] <Z0idberg>
Lol I was like, why haven't I gotten any emails today
<Z0idberg>
Lol I was like, why haven't I gotten any emails todayL478[17:00:01] <Z0idberg>
realized I wasn't connected to my work vpn
<Z0idberg>
realized I wasn't connected to my work vpnL479[17:00:08] <Z0idberg>
not on this computer anyways
<Z0idberg>
not on this computer anywaysL480[17:00:39] <Ocawesome101> hah
<Ocawesome101> hahL481[17:01:03] <Z0idberg>
For some reason my mail client doesn't throw an error when it can't
connect
<Z0idberg>
For some reason my mail client doesn't throw an error when it can't
connectL482[17:01:08] <Z0idberg>
it just thinks I have no mail
<Z0idberg>
it just thinks I have no mailL483[17:01:50] <Z0idberg>
But noo for my personal email server it goes unreachable at all and
thunderbird has a fit
<Z0idberg>
But noo for my personal email server it goes unreachable at all and
thunderbird has a fitL484[17:03:27] <Z0idberg>
it's 2 PM and the first time today I pretty much picked up my phone
and looked at the notifications right, and it's already down to
20%
<Z0idberg>
it's 2 PM and the first time today I pretty much picked up my phone
and looked at the notifications right, and it's already down to
20%L485[17:03:33] <Z0idberg>
I mean 90%
<Z0idberg>
I mean 90%L486[17:03:55] <Z0idberg>
I don't understand why these things need to use so much memory when
they aren't being sued.
<Z0idberg>
I don't understand why these things need to use so much memory when
they aren't being sued.L487[17:03:59] <Z0idberg>
and so much battery
<Z0idberg>
and so much batteryL488[17:04:26] <Forecaster> being sued is pretty memory
intensive
<Forecaster> being sued is pretty memory
intensiveL489[17:04:30] <Z0idberg>
used*
<Z0idberg>
used*L490[17:04:41] <Z0idberg>
I remember when my cell phone would last 2-3 weeks
<Z0idberg>
I remember when my cell phone would last 2-3 weeksL491[17:04:52] <Z0idberg>
if I wasn't on the phone all the time
<Z0idberg>
if I wasn't on the phone all the timeL492[17:05:18] <Z0idberg>
now they seem to last for crap and people think they're "good
for survival"
<Z0idberg>
now they seem to last for crap and people think they're "good
for survival"L493[17:05:19] <Z0idberg>
XD
<Z0idberg>
XDL494[17:07:01] <Forecaster> they last longer if you keep
them charged
<Forecaster> they last longer if you keep
them chargedL495[17:07:07] <Z0idberg>
right
<Z0idberg>
rightL496[17:07:10] <Z0idberg>
it was 100% this morning
<Z0idberg>
it was 100% this morningL497[17:07:20] <Z0idberg>
phone isn't even that old
<Z0idberg>
phone isn't even that oldL498[17:07:28] <Z0idberg>
I should get like, 3 years of shelf life out of my battery
<Z0idberg>
I should get like, 3 years of shelf life out of my batteryL499[17:07:55] <Z0idberg>
after that yeah, battery goes to shit whatever
<Z0idberg>
after that yeah, battery goes to shit whateverL500[17:08:13] <Z0idberg>
And I don't expect it to last 2-3 weeks but
<Z0idberg>
And I don't expect it to last 2-3 weeks butL501[17:08:23] <Z0idberg>
if I don't touch my phone at all, I expect it to last a few
days
<Z0idberg>
if I don't touch my phone at all, I expect it to last a few
daysL502[17:08:47] <Forecaster> you could turn on power
saving mode
<Forecaster> you could turn on power
saving modeL503[17:08:50] <Forecaster> I know my phone has
that
<Forecaster> I know my phone has
thatL504[17:08:54] <Z0idberg>
Hmmmmm
<Z0idberg>
HmmmmmL505[17:10:20] <Z0idberg>
Ok. So I do have a power saving mode apparently. It blocks all apps
from using wifi or anything while in the background though. I wish
I could tell it to allow them to fetch data maybe like every 5 or
10 minutes. I don't think that would make a huge performance hit
for some of the apps I use
<Z0idberg>
Ok. So I do have a power saving mode apparently. It blocks all apps
from using wifi or anything while in the background though. I wish
I could tell it to allow them to fetch data maybe like every 5 or
10 minutes. I don't think that would make a huge performance hit
for some of the apps I useL506[17:11:15] <Z0idberg>
Kind of like that esp8266 thermostat thing I was working on
<Z0idberg>
Kind of like that esp8266 thermostat thing I was working onL507[17:11:26] <Z0idberg>
it would click in every 5 minutes from low power mode from a low
power interrupt
<Z0idberg>
it would click in every 5 minutes from low power mode from a low
power interruptL508[17:11:39] <Z0idberg>
but the battery life was still longer than the expected lifetime of
the battery itself, like 6 years
<Z0idberg>
but the battery life was still longer than the expected lifetime of
the battery itself, like 6 yearsL509[17:11:56] <Forecaster> I think newer android
versions might let you block specific apps from using background
data
<Forecaster> I think newer android
versions might let you block specific apps from using background
dataL510[17:12:04] <Z0idberg>
That might be useful
<Z0idberg>
That might be usefulL511[17:12:24] <Z0idberg>
I am tired of having a computer in my pocket anyways
<Z0idberg>
I am tired of having a computer in my pocket anywaysL512[17:12:42] <Forecaster> I've noticed my phone
sometimes goes "Hey, you haven't used these apps in quite a
while, I'm just gonna put them to sleep okay?"
<Forecaster> I've noticed my phone
sometimes goes "Hey, you haven't used these apps in quite a
while, I'm just gonna put them to sleep okay?"L513[17:12:44] <Z0idberg>
I will sometimes go a few years without a cell phone because I just
don't care
<Z0idberg>
I will sometimes go a few years without a cell phone because I just
don't careL514[17:12:56] <Z0idberg>
omg that shit is annoying
<Z0idberg>
omg that shit is annoyingL515[17:13:06] <Z0idberg>
not that but when it asks if it can uninstall them for that very
reason
<Z0idberg>
not that but when it asks if it can uninstall them for that very
reasonL516[17:13:22] <Forecaster> I don't think it's asked to
uninstall anything
<Forecaster> I don't think it's asked to
uninstall anythingL517[17:13:23] <Z0idberg>
"hey you haven't used this IRC client for 1 DAY. Want to
uninstall it?"
<Z0idberg>
"hey you haven't used this IRC client for 1 DAY. Want to
uninstall it?"L518[17:13:33] <Z0idberg>
I've had it do that before
<Z0idberg>
I've had it do that beforeL519[17:13:55] <Forecaster> it just prevents them from
doing background stuff if I don't open them anyway
<Forecaster> it just prevents them from
doing background stuff if I don't open them anywayL520[17:14:25] <Izaya> personally my phone
doesn't do anything I don't explicitly tell it to :^)
L521[17:14:43] <Z0idberg>
It's so funny back in high school so many of us thought that cell
phones would never really be a thing more than on the road workers
like couriers. As an upgrade to carphones
<Z0idberg>
It's so funny back in high school so many of us thought that cell
phones would never really be a thing more than on the road workers
like couriers. As an upgrade to carphonesL522[17:15:28] <Z0idberg>
By the time we were seniors in high school some of us started to
get cell phones, just a few of us at least
<Z0idberg>
By the time we were seniors in high school some of us started to
get cell phones, just a few of us at leastL523[17:15:55] <Z0idberg>
nowadays even elementary schoolers get cell phones...
<Z0idberg>
nowadays even elementary schoolers get cell phones...L524[17:24:16] <Amanda> my parents got
both myself and my sister a cellphone when I was in middleschool,
because my sister wandered off in Disney
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L528[17:57:46] <Michiyo>
>Amanda: my parents got both myself and my sister a cellphone
when I was in middles…
<Michiyo>
>Amanda: my parents got both myself and my sister a cellphone
when I was in middles…L529[17:57:46] <Michiyo>
My 8 year old has a cell phone.... lol
<Michiyo>
My 8 year old has a cell phone.... lolL530[17:59:40] <Forecaster> I have no children and they
all have cellphones
<Forecaster> I have no children and they
all have cellphonesL531[17:59:52] <ThePiGuy24> >Michiyo:
<ThePiGuy24> >Michiyo:L532[17:59:52] <ThePiGuy24> as a pi enthusiast i must say
that this is slander
<ThePiGuy24> as a pi enthusiast i must say
that this is slanderL533[18:01:09] <Michiyo> :P
L534[18:02:44] <Forecaster> Also that reminds me, I need
to give my math dealer a call
<Forecaster> Also that reminds me, I need
to give my math dealer a callL535[18:03:03] <Forecaster> got some more programming to
do
<Forecaster> got some more programming to
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L538[18:32:05] <dequbed> @Z0idberg for
better or worse Roblox has "replaced" minecraft.
L539[18:32:16] <Ocawesome101> imo for worse
<Ocawesome101> imo for worseL540[18:32:42] <Ocawesome101> roblox is a mildly shit
company, though what they offer is neat
<Ocawesome101> roblox is a mildly shit
company, though what they offer is neatL541[18:33:01] <dequbed>
"mildly"
L542[18:33:26] <Forecaster> kinda bugs me that phpMyAdmin
doesn't use a uniwidth font for column values... https://tinyurl.com/y776xohp
<Forecaster> kinda bugs me that phpMyAdmin
doesn't use a uniwidth font for column values... https://tinyurl.com/y776xohpL543[18:33:34] <Forecaster> these are all uuids
<Forecaster> these are all uuidsL544[18:37:48] <DaComputerNerd> Ngl this is a big part of
what I use notepad++ for these days
<DaComputerNerd> Ngl this is a big part of
what I use notepad++ for these daysL545[18:38:50] <Z0idberg>
LOL
<Z0idberg>
LOLL546[18:38:56] <Z0idberg>
So I looked up Roblox
<Z0idberg>
So I looked up RobloxL547[18:39:20] <Z0idberg>
and one of the first results on Google was about parents not
letting their kids play the game
<Z0idberg>
and one of the first results on Google was about parents not
letting their kids play the gameL548[18:39:33] <Ocawesome101> heh
<Ocawesome101> hehL550[18:40:21] <Forecaster> and the followup
<Forecaster> and the followupL552[18:41:14] <Z0idberg>
Oh this articular was particular apparently about some case where a
group of people on roblox apparently virtually gangraped somebody's
avatar on roblox. Quite disturbing, does the game not have private
servers or something? Is it just public with the world?
<Z0idberg>
Oh this articular was particular apparently about some case where a
group of people on roblox apparently virtually gangraped somebody's
avatar on roblox. Quite disturbing, does the game not have private
servers or something? Is it just public with the world?L553[18:41:43] <dequbed> It's a global
lobby with caveats, yds.
L554[18:41:46] <dequbed> yes*
L555[18:46:51] <sapphicfettucine> also
<sapphicfettucine> alsoL556[18:46:58] <sapphicfettucine> i would not say roblox
has replaced minecraft
<sapphicfettucine> i would not say roblox
has replaced minecraftL557[18:47:16] <sapphicfettucine> minecraft is still big,
even if it's not the top 1 anymore
<sapphicfettucine> minecraft is still big,
even if it's not the top 1 anymoreL558[18:48:42] <sapphicfettucine> like it has >140
million monthly active users after more than 10 years
<sapphicfettucine> like it has >140
million monthly active users after more than 10 yearsL559[18:52:17] <dequbed> And is has been
replaced as the biggest game and the game a significant portion of
children and teenagers are playing by roblox.
L560[18:52:38] <dequbed> In other words
what used to be minecraft for our generation is Roblox now.
L561[18:53:22] <Ocawesome101> teenager here, have played
about an hour of roblox in my life, didn't really enjoy it.
<Ocawesome101> teenager here, have played
about an hour of roblox in my life, didn't really enjoy it.L562[18:53:42] <Ocawesome101> though i recognize that one
person isn't particularly indicative of the larger population
:P
<Ocawesome101> though i recognize that one
person isn't particularly indicative of the larger population
:PL563[18:53:55] <Forecaster> what do you mean
<Forecaster> what do you meanL564[18:54:12] <Forecaster> whatever you don't like
nobody else is allowed to like
<Forecaster> whatever you don't like
nobody else is allowed to likeL565[18:54:14] <Forecaster> that's the law
<Forecaster> that's the lawL566[18:54:41] <dequbed> @Ocawesome101 and
a significant portion of people in my age never played minecraft.
That's not the point really.
L567[18:58:01] <sapphicfettucine> it would be really
interesting to see demographics for minecraft at this point in it's
life honestly
<sapphicfettucine> it would be really
interesting to see demographics for minecraft at this point in it's
life honestlyL568[18:59:29] <Bob>
>Ocawesome101: teenager here, have played about an hour of
roblox in my life, didn't …
<Bob>
>Ocawesome101: teenager here, have played about an hour of
roblox in my life, didn't …L569[18:59:29] <Bob> why
play roblox when you can play something actually good
<Bob> why
play roblox when you can play something actually goodL570[18:59:42] <Amanda> like
stick-and-hoop
L571[19:00:04] <dequbed> @Bob because
Roblox is a good game you walnut.
L572[19:00:24] <dequbed> god I hate this
tribalism -.-
L573[19:05:14] <sapphicfettucine> what do you mean you
can critique something without overall dismissing it
<sapphicfettucine> what do you mean you
can critique something without overall dismissing itL574[19:05:39] <Forecaster> tribalism? in this discord
channel? never
<Forecaster> tribalism? in this discord
channel? neverL575[19:06:06] <dequbed> I'm not even
critiquing the game. My beef is with *the company*. Microsoft is a
piece of shit but that doesn't make minecraft a bad game now does
it?
L576[19:09:16] <CompanionCube> yeah isn't
roblox worse than mildly shit
L577[19:10:10] <CompanionCube> mostly
because of how the company works
L578[19:11:20] <dequbed> The company?
Depends, do you condone explicitly exposing children to
habit-forming design, encouraging child labour, gaslighting most of
their playerbase and issuing company scrib so even those lucky few
that do make some money can't get it into usable cash?
L579[19:12:14] <dequbed> The game? Well
apart from the issues stemming from the company it's done wonders
by making game design approachable. It's this generation Flash
Player but it's actually good.
L580[19:13:35] <ThePiGuy24> i know several people that
make games and they can confirm that it is kinda shit
<ThePiGuy24> i know several people that
make games and they can confirm that it is kinda shitL581[19:14:07] <ThePiGuy24> not talking about the
"just smash a few prefabs together" type, these actually
develop shit
<ThePiGuy24> not talking about the
"just smash a few prefabs together" type, these actually
develop shitL582[19:14:14] <ThePiGuy24> and apparently it isnt
fun
<ThePiGuy24> and apparently it isnt
funL583[19:14:20] <dequbed> Of course it
isn't.
L584[19:14:25] <dequbed> But have you ever
worked with flash?
L585[19:14:46] <dequbed> Or worse, modding
the quake and source games before flash was a thing?
L586[19:14:51] <ThePiGuy24> i made a shitty animation 5
years ago that has been lost to time
<ThePiGuy24> i made a shitty animation 5
years ago that has been lost to timeL587[19:15:51] <ThePiGuy24> also i have some experience
modding source, and while its mess of custom formats is annoying,
its tolerable
<ThePiGuy24> also i have some experience
modding source, and while its mess of custom formats is annoying,
its tolerableL588[19:16:10] <dequbed> roblox toolkit is
ages above everything flash ever had and can be a direct pipeline
to proper tools like unity. And Flash gave us such bad and
irellevant games as The Binding of Isaac and Super Meat Boy,
imagine what the indie game makers that grow up with today's
tooling can do :)
L589[19:16:35] <ThePiGuy24> easier to get stuff done in
the games with vscript though, rather than having to wrap your head
around the entity io logic
<ThePiGuy24> easier to get stuff done in
the games with vscript though, rather than having to wrap your head
around the entity io logicL590[19:29:04] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL591[19:29:04] <MichiBot> Yeah!
Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 4
hours, 49 minutes and 25 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L592[19:29:05] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 4 hours, 49 minutes and 25 seconds! No points gained for
stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00482)
L593[19:29:21] <sapphicfettucine> obligatort riv
flash
<sapphicfettucine> obligatort riv
flashL594[19:29:25] <sapphicfettucine> obligatory*
<sapphicfettucine> obligatory*L595[19:29:42] <sapphicfettucine> and also: fuck
adobe
<sapphicfettucine> and also: fuck
adobeL596[19:30:08] <sapphicfettucine> why do we keep letting
the worst companies come up with the flash-equivalent of the
generation >.>
<sapphicfettucine> why do we keep letting
the worst companies come up with the flash-equivalent of the
generation >.>L597[19:37:18] <Amanda> %choose comfort or
utility
L598[19:37:19] <MichiBot> Amanda: Some
"comfort" sounds nice
L599[19:37:29] *
Amanda pawhugs MichiBot
L600[19:51:21] <The
Patmann> >dequbed: <@!202281082047954954> because
Roblox is a good game you walnut.
<The
Patmann> >dequbed: <@!202281082047954954> because
Roblox is a good game you walnut.L601[19:51:21] <The
Patmann> @dequbed Roblox is only as good as the user created
content, whereas Minecraft is just generally solid without mods.
While we can argue whether the maximum quality of either is higher,
objectively the minimum quality for minecraft is higher.
<The
Patmann> @dequbed Roblox is only as good as the user created
content, whereas Minecraft is just generally solid without mods.
While we can argue whether the maximum quality of either is higher,
objectively the minimum quality for minecraft is higher.L602[19:52:08] <dequbed> Minecraft without
user created content is an empty field with two *very* mediocre
bossfights.
L603[19:52:37] <The
Patmann> Roblox without user created content is literally
nothing, iirc
<The
Patmann> Roblox without user created content is literally
nothing, iircL604[19:52:42] <dequbed> Like let's be
real. Neither the Ender Dragon nor the Wither are fun &
engaging fights.
L605[19:52:45] <The
Patmann> since Roblox is pretty much just a game engine
<The
Patmann> since Roblox is pretty much just a game engineL606[19:53:10] <dequbed> The company has
made out of the box experiences resp. commissioned some.
L607[19:53:13] <The
Patmann> Also, Redstone and a variety of materials for players
to do creative things with in singleplayer
<The
Patmann> Also, Redstone and a variety of materials for players
to do creative things with in singleplayerL608[19:53:17] <dequbed> So no. its
not.
L609[19:53:37] <The
Patmann> Things have changed since I last played I guess.
<The
Patmann> Things have changed since I last played I guess.L610[19:53:43] <dequbed> And if you
consider Roblox w/o experiences then please consider Minecraft
without players building things.
L611[19:54:19] <dequbed> Because the only
progression in Minecraft is two boss fights. The rest is "I
want to do this"
L612[19:54:23] <Bob> MC
alone kinda sucks
<Bob> MC
alone kinda sucksL613[19:54:32] <The
Patmann> I'm considering Roblox without player created games,
stuff made by other players
<The
Patmann> I'm considering Roblox without player created games,
stuff made by other playersL614[19:54:32] <The
Patmann> And I am comparing it to singleplayer vanilla
minecraft
<The
Patmann> And I am comparing it to singleplayer vanilla
minecraftL615[19:54:35] <Bob> you
really just gotta milk its intricate mecanics such as redstone and
weird rules
<Bob> you
really just gotta milk its intricate mecanics such as redstone and
weird rulesL616[19:55:03] <The
Patmann> Yeah, I agree both suck, I'm really just pointing at
the minimums here
<The
Patmann> Yeah, I agree both suck, I'm really just pointing at
the minimums hereL617[19:55:41] <dequbed> @"The
Patmann" Players can make experiences in Roblox as easily as
they can build mansions in minecraft. You don't have to get
out-of-game tools or download anything. You press a button in the
main menu. That's not comparable to minecraft modding.
L618[19:56:01] <dequbed> Making fun
experiences *is* the game of Roblox.
L619[19:56:01] <Forecaster> you don't do the quotes to
ping anymore
<Forecaster> you don't do the quotes to
ping anymoreL620[19:56:03] <Forecaster> it doesn't work
<Forecaster> it doesn't workL621[19:56:41] <dequbed> In the same way
that *building things* is the game of Minecraft. Well, lately a lot
of exploration got added but up until very recently "building
things" was pretty much all you could do
L622[19:56:58] <dequbed> @Forecaster ah
okay. How do I ping people with spaces in their nick then? Just
@The Patmann ?
L623[19:57:04] <The
Patmann> Ye, that works
<The
Patmann> Ye, that worksL624[19:57:25] <dequbed> Hmm what would
happen if there was not a person with the nick "The"?
@Forecaster
L625[19:57:29] <dequbed> now*
L626[19:57:42] <Forecaster> I dunno
<Forecaster> I dunnoL627[19:58:12] <The> Try
it
<The> Try
itL628[19:58:16] <dequbed> @The
Patmann
L629[19:58:24] <The
Patmann> Wow, that's kinda bad XD
<The
Patmann> Wow, that's kinda bad XDL630[19:58:31] <The> yeah
that just pinged me instead
<The> yeah
that just pinged me insteadL631[19:58:40] <dequbed> Well I guess we
found an edgecase
L632[19:58:42] <The
Patmann> I'll nick myself without spaces since there is a IRC
bridge
<The
Patmann> I'll nick myself without spaces since there is a IRC
bridgeL633[19:58:43] <The>
@Michiyo there's a thing to work on next :P
<The>
@Michiyo there's a thing to work on next :PL634[19:59:01] <The> might
be an un-solvable problem though
<The> might
be an un-solvable problem thoughL635[19:59:04] <dequbed> I mean that's a
*really* rare edgecase
L636[19:59:24] <The> might
be possible to match longest name first maybe
<The> might
be possible to match longest name first maybeL637[19:59:31] <Michiyo>
Wait.. wtf?
<Michiyo>
Wait.. wtf?L638[19:59:55] <The> I
like how the first ping in the "Hmm what would happen"
message also changed to me when I changed nickname
<The> I
like how the first ping in the "Hmm what would happen"
message also changed to me when I changed nicknameL639[19:59:58] <dequbed> I liked the
approach with quoting the name. Comes to me easily given *nix file
names on terminal interfaces :)
L640[20:00:28] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL641[20:00:29] <MichiBot> You drink a
freezing water potion (New!). Forecaster falls into a shaft and
drop 5 floors!
L642[20:00:34] <Forecaster> ouch
<Forecaster> ouchL643[20:00:54] <Michiyo>
>dequbed: I liked the approach with quoting the name. Comes to
me easily given *nix …
<Michiyo>
>dequbed: I liked the approach with quoting the name. Comes to
me easily given *nix …L644[20:00:54] <Michiyo>
Yes, well, the previous system was completely broken.
<Michiyo>
Yes, well, the previous system was completely broken.L645[20:01:05] <dequbed> Figures ^^
L646[20:01:10] <Forecaster> whereas this one is only a
little broken
<Forecaster> whereas this one is only a
little brokenL647[20:01:14] <Michiyo>
^
<Michiyo>
^L648[20:01:15] <dequbed> Well honestly
this is good enough.
L649[20:01:25] <dequbed> Like that's got
to be a super rare edgecase.
L650[20:01:39] <Michiyo> So.. wait, what
happens when I ping @The now
L651[20:01:45] <Michiyo> Ok, good,
nothing
L652[20:01:46] <Forecaster> nothing
<Forecaster> nothingL653[20:02:02] <Michiyo> Wanted to make
sure :P
L654[20:02:02] <dequbed> And @The Patmann
goes to the right person once again?
L655[20:02:07] <Forecaster> yep
<Forecaster> yepL656[20:02:11] <dequbed> \o/
L657[20:02:32] <ThePatmann> Awesome!
<ThePatmann> Awesome!L658[20:03:16] <Forecaster> oh wait, the ping in the
"Hmm" message was at me to begin with, that's why it
changed
<Forecaster> oh wait, the ping in the
"Hmm" message was at me to begin with, that's why it
changedL659[20:03:28] <Forecaster> but now the one after that
says "Forecaster Patmann"
<Forecaster> but now the one after that
says "Forecaster Patmann"L660[20:04:10] <Michiyo> lol
L661[20:04:32] <Forecaster> I guess Discord assigned my
id to it when it received the message, since I matched it at the
time
<Forecaster> I guess Discord assigned my
id to it when it received the message, since I matched it at the
timeL662[20:05:20] <Amanda> Corded pings using
discord ID
L663[20:05:40] <Michiyo> Ehhh
L664[20:05:45] <Amanda> It was the un
-> ID lookup that prevented us from pinging @Inari before, which
Michiyo fixed
L665[20:06:12] <Michiyo> Corded uses magic
to ping on discord.
L666[20:06:12] <Amanda> At leassth, that's
what I gathered from Michiyo's comments around it? (Feel free to
correct me )
L667[20:06:41] <Forecaster> seems legit
<Forecaster> seems legitL668[20:06:45] <Amanda> %splash Inari with
mutable oction potion
L669[20:06:45] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable rubium potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari turns
into a pear otter until someone baps them.
L670[20:07:00] <Forecaster> pear otter sounds
adorable
<Forecaster> pear otter sounds
adorableL671[20:07:12] <Michiyo> It does this now:
https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/Yuri/blob/master/src/main/java/net/dv8tion/discord/bridge/IrcConnection.java#L394-L405
L672[20:07:45] <Michiyo> So anything odd
in the Discord display of stuff is because Discord now saw @The as
a valid ping
L673[20:08:16] <Forecaster> because of magic, got
it
<Forecaster> because of magic, got
itL674[20:08:24] <Michiyo> Pretty
much.
L675[20:08:56] <Michiyo> "Any
sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic"
L676[20:09:37] <dequbed> I like how Inari
has her own group Discordside.
L677[20:09:43] <Inari> :D
L678[20:09:50] <Inari> 'tis from better
days
L679[20:09:56] <dequbed> It's very … on
point.
L680[20:10:17] <Inari> %pet dequbed
L681[20:10:17] <MichiBot> Inari is petting
dequbed with a working MCU. dequbed regains 1d4 => 4 hit points!
The working MCU angered a fairy and was turned into a pie.
L682[20:10:25] <dequbed> %pet Inari
L683[20:10:25] <MichiBot> dequbed is
patting Inari with a misconfigured neuralizer. Inari regains 1d4
=> 3 hit points! The misconfigured neuralizer ran out of
memory.
L684[20:12:01] <DaComputerNerd> %sip
<DaComputerNerd> %sipL685[20:12:01] <MichiBot> You drink a
concentrated dilithium potion (New!). Suddenly there's a swarm of
wasps behind DaComputerNerd that chase them for 42 seconds!
L686[20:12:12] <DaComputerNerd> Oh no
<DaComputerNerd> Oh noL687[20:20:26] <Amanda> she does?
L688[20:22:52] <Forecaster> Inari has a role called
"Inari"
<Forecaster> Inari has a role called
"Inari"L689[20:24:40] <Amanda> ah
L690[20:25:01] <Amanda> I thought it might
be something like "Lewd quarentine"
L691[20:28:20] <Forecaster> I'm pretty sure that's the
default for Inari
<Forecaster> I'm pretty sure that's the
default for InariL692[20:37:51] <ThePiGuy24> the horny zone
<ThePiGuy24> the horny zoneL693[20:37:58] <ThePiGuy24> count mein ;p
<ThePiGuy24> count mein ;pL694[20:38:10] <ThePiGuy24> there is meant to be an extra
space somewhere there
<ThePiGuy24> there is meant to be an extra
space somewhere thereL695[20:38:27] <Forecaster> cou nt
<Forecaster> cou ntL696[20:38:57] <ThePiGuy24> i somehow feel as if that
isnt where i was thinking
<ThePiGuy24> i somehow feel as if that
isnt where i was thinkingL697[21:06:14] *
Amanda timedly pats Elfi, afraid of being made noms
L698[21:06:28] *
Amanda +into
L699[21:18:18] <Ariri>
Izaya: "god I wish that were me"
<Ariri>
Izaya: "god I wish that were me"L700[21:18:39] <Ariri>
%pet dequbed
<Ariri>
%pet dequbedL701[21:18:40] <MichiBot> Ariri is petting
dequbed with the Magic predecessor clone to Amanda, AmandaC! (25%).
dequbed regains 1d8 => 8 (Magic +2) => 10 hit points!
L702[21:18:49] <Ariri>
%pet AmandaC
<Ariri>
%pet AmandaCL703[21:18:50] <MichiBot> Ariri is petting
AmandaC with amongus musical dvd. AmandaC regains 1d4 => 1 hit
points!
L704[21:19:37] <Ariri> is
anyone else seeing a unicode thingo in that or is just discord
things™️
<Ariri> is
anyone else seeing a unicode thingo in that or is just discord
things™️L705[21:19:51] <Forecaster> it's just on discord (I
think)
<Forecaster> it's just on discord (I
think)L706[21:20:04] <Forecaster> it showed up pretty recently,
I don't know why
<Forecaster> it showed up pretty recently,
I don't know whyL707[21:20:13] <Forecaster> I haven't investigated it
yet
<Forecaster> I haven't investigated it
yetL708[21:21:32] <dequbed> @Ariri ohi there
you are
L709[21:21:34] <dequbed> %pet Ariri
L710[21:21:34] <MichiBot> dequbed is
petting Ariri with The intenret. Ariri regains 1d4 => 1 hit
points! The intenret was taken out by the mafia.
L711[21:22:11] <Ariri>
Henlo dequbed =w=
<Ariri>
Henlo dequbed =w=L712[21:22:17] <Ariri> How
you been
<Ariri> How
you beenL713[21:22:27] <dequbed> Hi lovely, how
have you been?
L714[21:22:45] <dequbed> Well, two idiots
one though. I see we are sharing that brain cell again.
L715[21:22:54] <dequbed> *thought
L716[21:23:04] <Forecaster> That's the "the world is
on fire" kind of lovely I assume
<Forecaster> That's the "the world is
on fire" kind of lovely I assumeL717[21:23:46] <dequbed> What no if I'm
about to rip people's heads off I call them "honey"
L718[21:24:05] <Ariri>
Hehe
<Ariri>
HeheL719[21:24:06] <Ariri>
I've been okie, just very busy with uni and all
<Ariri>
I've been okie, just very busy with uni and allL720[21:24:06] <Ariri>
I've got about a week to relax though now :)
<Ariri>
I've got about a week to relax though now :)L721[21:24:22] <Ariri>
notes not to get on dequbed' bad side
<Ariri>
notes not to get on dequbed' bad sideL722[21:24:31] <Ariri>
's*
<Ariri>
's*L723[21:26:05] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL724[21:26:05] <MichiBot> You drink a
sedimented tan potion (New!). Forecaster's skin turn the color of
rock until they eat a pie.
L725[21:26:28] <dequbed> @Ariri don't
overwork yourself, will you? <3
L726[21:26:33] <Forecaster> fortunately there is a pie
nearby that was previously a working MCU
<Forecaster> fortunately there is a pie
nearby that was previously a working MCUL727[21:26:57] <dequbed> And yes that's
rich coming from me but do as I say, not as I do.
L728[21:27:55] <Ariri>
dequbed: a tad late for that, but now I'm catching up on zzz's so
it's okay :P
<Ariri>
dequbed: a tad late for that, but now I'm catching up on zzz's so
it's okay :PL729[21:27:56] <Ariri> I
think I'll finally start building that coil gun I talked about now
that I've gotten very familiar with using Arduino and actual
on-hands use of machinery I didn't have access to before
<Ariri> I
think I'll finally start building that coil gun I talked about now
that I've gotten very familiar with using Arduino and actual
on-hands use of machinery I didn't have access to beforeL730[21:28:22] <dequbed> Ooooh fun
L731[21:28:32] <Amanda> I'm not sure if
it's my friend, or someone she knows, but she describes sleep as a
shitty bank, you can deposit all you want, but never withdrawl
sleeps
L732[21:28:45] <Ariri>
I'll be getting back the parts from a rover I made with a team I
led so I'll probably use some of that with it once it's been
graded
<Ariri>
I'll be getting back the parts from a rover I made with a team I
led so I'll probably use some of that with it once it's been
gradedL733[21:28:48] <dequbed> I'd promise to
help but shipping gun parts 'cross the pond is expensive :P
L734[21:29:15] <dequbed> @Ariri well do
catch up or I shall be very cross with you young lady!
L735[21:29:40] <Ariri>
How's your startup and stuff been, dequbed? Haven't checked in with
ya in a while and my Nextcloud/IRC bouncer has been down as you've
probably seen
<Ariri>
How's your startup and stuff been, dequbed? Haven't checked in with
ya in a while and my Nextcloud/IRC bouncer has been down as you've
probably seenL736[21:29:40] <Ariri> I
think I need to set that up from scratch and recover all the data
from f-d up snapraid array @.@
<Ariri> I
think I need to set that up from scratch and recover all the data
from f-d up snapraid array @.@L737[21:30:02] <Ariri>
Yes, cosmic paternal figure, I will :3
<Ariri>
Yes, cosmic paternal figure, I will :3L738[21:31:21] <dequbed> Not a startup :P
But good, we're making better bank in our first year than most
startups do in their fifth so that's a bonus ;)
L739[21:32:42] <Ariri> Oh,
I don't know why I remembered startup... just Ariri things ig
:P
<Ariri> Oh,
I don't know why I remembered startup... just Ariri things ig
:PL740[21:32:42] <Ariri>
That's great! Proud of you, tomodachi~
<Ariri>
That's great! Proud of you, tomodachi~L741[21:34:25] <Ariri>
%help
<Ariri>
%helpL742[21:34:25] <MichiBot> Ariri: Command
list: http://michibot.pc-logix.com/help
L743[21:34:29] <dequbed> I'm not sure if I
dislike that I have to google words everytime I talk to you or that
I half of the time I wish afterwards I never googled them :P
L744[21:36:14] <Ariri>
Sorry, I use JP mannerisms too often with other people on Discord
that I don't think about it here :'
<Ariri>
Sorry, I use JP mannerisms too often with other people on Discord
that I don't think about it here :'L745[21:36:14] <Ariri> I
had to catch myself expressing a giggle as "www"
earlier
<Ariri> I
had to catch myself expressing a giggle as "www"
earlierL746[21:36:19] <Ariri>
%pet dequbed
<Ariri>
%pet dequbedL747[21:36:19] <MichiBot> Ariri is
brushing dequbed with an isekai'd house. dequbed regains 1d4 =>
4 hit points!
L748[21:37:01] <dequbed> Eh, nowadays
young companies are more often startups than not so I don't fault
you for remembering it like that. But not having investors means we
get to do things the right way instead of trying to make assholes
as rich as possible by any shady means available.
L749[21:37:32] <dequbed> @Ariri heh no
worries it's fine. But let's be real this time it was 50/50 between
"friend" and the japanese equivalent of "galaxy
mom" :P
L750[21:37:34] <Ariri>
(isekai -> [different] world) :P
<Ariri>
(isekai -> [different] world) :PL751[21:38:37] <Ariri>
Ooooh, proper management and time to do things properly? I like the
sound of that
<Ariri>
Ooooh, proper management and time to do things properly? I like the
sound of thatL752[21:38:38] <Ariri>
10/10 would promote if I had a basis for that :3
<Ariri>
10/10 would promote if I had a basis for that :3L753[21:39:12] <Ariri> I
didn't even know tomodachi could stand for "galaxy
mom"
<Ariri> I
didn't even know tomodachi could stand for "galaxy
mom"L754[21:39:31] <Ariri>
I've only known "tomo" and "tomodachi" as
"friend"
<Ariri>
I've only known "tomo" and "tomodachi" as
"friend"L755[21:40:10] <dequbed> that's what
google said yes. But I don't know a lick of japanese and that was
the alternative meaning I could come up with that you may have been
intending ;P
L756[21:40:55] <Ariri>
That's a rather funny coincidence
<Ariri>
That's a rather funny coincidenceL757[21:42:58] <dequbed> But yes. Proper
management, non-exploitative working condition, and not being
pressureable to change that is really useful. I'm debating trying
to make "full-time" be a 4 day week (i.e. 32h) but that's
probably a thing for in a while.
L758[21:44:24] <Ariri> I
see I see
<Ariri> I
see I seeL759[21:44:24] <Ariri> How
much time do you put into it right now?
<Ariri> How
much time do you put into it right now?L760[21:45:06] <dequbed> Yes
L761[21:45:42] <dequbed> I mean 32h work
week *for the employees*. I'm quite fine with 80 hours :P
L762[21:48:08] <ThePiGuy24> >dequbed: I mean 32h work
week *for the employees*. I'm quite fine with 80 hours :P
<ThePiGuy24> >dequbed: I mean 32h work
week *for the employees*. I'm quite fine with 80 hours :PL763[21:48:09] <ThePiGuy24> 168h work week from now
on
<ThePiGuy24> 168h work week from now
onL764[21:48:17] <Ariri>
Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/vanocajugi
<Ariri>
Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/vanocajugiL765[21:48:47] <dequbed> @Ariri no
standard is 40h / 5 days @ 8h
L766[21:49:54] <Ariri> Ah,
thought as much; that's how it is here
<Ariri> Ah,
thought as much; that's how it is hereL767[21:49:59] <dequbed> As in legally
specified that way. Going over either isn't easy if you intent to
do it legally and going under is resonably annoying.
L768[21:50:06] <Ariri> I'm
saying "ah" a lot
<Ariri> I'm
saying "ah" a lotL769[21:50:16] <Forecaster> Ah, no you're not
<Forecaster> Ah, no you're notL770[21:50:42] <Ariri> Is
there a reason you want to make it under the standard? Better
working conditions or something?
<Ariri> Is
there a reason you want to make it under the standard? Better
working conditions or something?L771[21:50:59] <dequbed> Pretty much only
that.
L772[21:57:17] <ThePatmann> Yeah, worker's rights, I
think it became a thing around the 1920's, stayed the same
since
<ThePatmann> Yeah, worker's rights, I
think it became a thing around the 1920's, stayed the same
sinceL773[21:57:24] <ThePatmann> Atleast over in the US
<ThePatmann> Atleast over in the USL774[21:58:19] <dequbed> Yeah and its
based on factory working condition which are not at all
representative of todays workload.
L775[21:59:13] <Ariri>
That's nice
<Ariri>
That's niceL776[21:59:13] <Ariri>
which reminds me... I should update my resume >.>
<Ariri>
which reminds me... I should update my resume >.>L777[21:59:25] <dequbed> For physical
tasks that have low mental load a 40h week may be fine but most of
our things are engineering effords that are mostly mental work and
doing 5 days of draining engineering work is much less bearable
than having a day of R&R in the middle.
L778[21:59:58] <dequbed> @Ariri when
you're done send it over for critique. I'm technically a CEO now
>:P
L779[22:01:48] <Ariri>
Pff, I finally get that's kinda like
<Ariri>
Pff, I finally get that's kinda likeL780[22:01:48] <Ariri> I
slept like 5 hours and spent 30+ hours in 2-3 days working on my
rover thingo bc it was scuffed as heck and rushed since we were
remote for two weeks and the time alotted is only 10 weeks
<Ariri> I
slept like 5 hours and spent 30+ hours in 2-3 days working on my
rover thingo bc it was scuffed as heck and rushed since we were
remote for two weeks and the time alotted is only 10 weeksL781[22:03:22] <Forecaster> Just build a second
remote-controlled rover you can use to work on the first rover,
easy
<Forecaster> Just build a second
remote-controlled rover you can use to work on the first rover,
easyL782[22:03:24] <dequbed> Yeah and if I
were your manager I'd have scolded you for that and send you home
to get proper rested. You're not doing your best work when you're
exhausted and cleaning up the mistakes you make because you're
tired is more work.
L783[22:07:03] <Ariri>
You're probably right given that we didn't make qualification
<Ariri>
You're probably right given that we didn't make qualificationL784[22:07:03] <Ariri> but
it was also a combination of not having enough time, being one of
two people working on it in a team of 8, and being busy studying
for other things too
<Ariri> but
it was also a combination of not having enough time, being one of
two people working on it in a team of 8, and being busy studying
for other things tooL785[22:07:04] <Ariri> I
think I made like 4k lines added and 2k line deleted in that week
alone lol, and I just learned C/arduino on the fly which was
surprisingly straightforward
<Ariri> I
think I made like 4k lines added and 2k line deleted in that week
alone lol, and I just learned C/arduino on the fly which was
surprisingly straightforwardL786[22:07:48] <Ariri> The
code actually worked well and I like what I did, but accounting for
using photoresistors instead of something like IR sensors or
camera-based line following made the fundamentals a whole issue and
it's a long story maybe for another day :P
<Ariri> The
code actually worked well and I like what I did, but accounting for
using photoresistors instead of something like IR sensors or
camera-based line following made the fundamentals a whole issue and
it's a long story maybe for another day :PL787[22:08:06] <dequbed> also it's a good
learning experience. At least now you know why you never want to
work crunch.
L788[22:08:38] <Ariri>
anyways, I'll probably take you up on that over for critique
<Ariri>
anyways, I'll probably take you up on that over for critiqueL789[22:08:38] <Ariri> ngl
i probably need it, which I'll say even though that probably dates
me a bit
<Ariri> ngl
i probably need it, which I'll say even though that probably dates
me a bitL790[22:09:02] <dequbed> I think I judge
your age decently well :P
L791[22:10:03] <Ariri>
True
<Ariri>
TrueL792[22:10:04] <Ariri> A
lot of other things might've suffered bc of it but oh well
<Ariri> A
lot of other things might've suffered bc of it but oh wellL793[22:10:04] <Ariri> I
get to keep it afterwards now and i don't have to do the
documentation and stuff as much bc as team lead I get to say
"this is your guys' part now" (also they said they would
bc it's fair im not actually bossy, we're all peers)
<Ariri> I
get to keep it afterwards now and i don't have to do the
documentation and stuff as much bc as team lead I get to say
"this is your guys' part now" (also they said they would
bc it's fair im not actually bossy, we're all peers)L794[22:10:20] <Ariri>
>dequbed: I think I judge your age decently well :P
<Ariri>
>dequbed: I think I judge your age decently well :PL795[22:10:20] <Ariri>
yabe- (oh no/ uh oh)
<Ariri>
yabe- (oh no/ uh oh)L796[22:11:40] <dequbed> Age is a terrible
indication of skill or even maturity so knowing how many rotations
of this dustball around it's celestial body you've been sentient is
not going to change my opinion of you.
L797[22:14:32] <Ariri>
good to hear
<Ariri>
good to hearL798[22:14:32] <Ariri>
funnily enough, I think a lot of the people I spend time with
online think I'm older than I actually am
<Ariri>
funnily enough, I think a lot of the people I spend time with
online think I'm older than I actually amL799[22:14:32] <Ariri>
this one girl I know isn't sure whether I'm younger or older than
her and isn't sure which she wants me to be lol
<Ariri>
this one girl I know isn't sure whether I'm younger or older than
her and isn't sure which she wants me to be lolL800[22:15:34] <dequbed> Well since all we
have to go off is your behaviour that's not too surprising.
@Ocawesome101 is like 13 and handles himself like an adult so I
constantly forget his age.
L801[22:15:59] <lunar_sam>
wait, really?
<lunar_sam>
wait, really?L802[22:16:09] <dequbed> see?!
L803[22:16:13] <lunar_sam>
[x] very neat
<lunar_sam>
[x] very neatL804[22:17:02] <Ariri>
Yeah lol
<Ariri>
Yeah lolL805[22:17:02] <Ariri>
When I read that I was like "huh, TIL"
<Ariri>
When I read that I was like "huh, TIL"L806[22:17:02] <Ariri> for
some people on here I can guess by the name choice even if their
behavior indicates otherwise, but still, its surprising sometimes
how strong the difference can be
<Ariri> for
some people on here I can guess by the name choice even if their
behavior indicates otherwise, but still, its surprising sometimes
how strong the difference can beL807[22:17:52] <Forecaster> If you go by my name I have
to be an old fortune teller, probably owns a crystal ball or
two
<Forecaster> If you go by my name I have
to be an old fortune teller, probably owns a crystal ball or
twoL808[22:18:47] <lunar_sam>
it feels so weird not being the youngest of a group now
<lunar_sam>
it feels so weird not being the youngest of a group nowL809[22:19:03] <dequbed> And really, what
does it matter? Unless you're talking specific life experiences
somewhat inately bound to biological age it doesn't matter at all.
Oca is more knowledgeable about technical subjects than some peers
double his age so why should I respect his knowledge less than
theirs?
L810[22:19:17] <dequbed> wait how old are
you sam? <.<
L811[22:20:46] <Ocawesome101> dequbed: i'm 15 now
<Ocawesome101> dequbed: i'm 15 nowL812[22:21:07] <dequbed> Okay sure
L813[22:21:32] <dequbed> still doesn't
matter but you're getting the brute force of puberty now so good
luck with that :P
L814[22:21:37] <Ocawesome101> heh
<Ocawesome101> hehL815[22:21:43] <Ocawesome101> it's been fine
<Ocawesome101> it's been fineL816[22:23:12] <lunar_sam>
dequbed: 20 as of two weels ago lol, but i always remember being
the youngest of my friends
<lunar_sam>
dequbed: 20 as of two weels ago lol, but i always remember being
the youngest of my friendsL817[22:23:47] <dequbed> @Ocawesome101 I
mean sure. You'll live. If you tend to yourself a bit you'll even
get out of it as a handsome young man. :P
L818[22:23:53] <lunar_sam>
i still have yet to work on my dream project lol
<lunar_sam>
i still have yet to work on my dream project lolL819[22:23:57] <Ariri>
dequbed: indubitably
<Ariri>
dequbed: indubitablyL820[22:24:12] <dequbed> @lunar_sam You're
only 20. You have like 80 more years to work on that project.
L821[22:24:13] <Ocawesome101> :)
<Ocawesome101> :)L822[22:25:31] <lunar_sam>
lmfao
<lunar_sam>
lmfaoL823[22:26:04] <lunar_sam>
i have plot and concepts written out but no code lol
<lunar_sam>
i have plot and concepts written out but no code lolL824[22:26:37] <dequbed> Unless that is
that you want to come out as a pretty young lady or a dashing young
enby @Ocawesome101. Don't worry, nobody here will think less of
your for any of those choices :P
L825[22:27:37] <Ocawesome101> i have never had any doubts
(or at least not many) about my gender identity :)
<Ocawesome101> i have never had any doubts
(or at least not many) about my gender identity :)L826[22:29:38] <dequbed> Didn't want to
imply you did. ^^ That message was while directed at you more meant
for everybody else ;)
L827[22:29:57] <Ariri>
heh
<Ariri>
hehL828[22:29:57] <Ariri>
>.>
<Ariri>
>.>L829[22:30:09] <Amanda> %splash Inari with
mutable orange juice
L830[22:30:09] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable orange potion (New!) that splashes onto Inari. Inari turns
into a spice crocodile boy until someone stops looking at
them.
L831[22:30:50] <sapphicfettucine> [pippin and merry
voice] but what about second puberty?
<sapphicfettucine> [pippin and merry
voice] but what about second puberty?L832[22:30:51] <Ocawesome101> i figured that was the
intent
<Ocawesome101> i figured that was the
intentL833[22:32:21] <sapphicfettucine> i try to keep composure
until i get drunk on sleep and start losing arguments on rust
internals to dequbed :p
<sapphicfettucine> i try to keep composure
until i get drunk on sleep and start losing arguments on rust
internals to dequbed :pL834[22:34:01] <lunar_sam>
i will one day make my plane game
<lunar_sam>
i will one day make my plane gameL835[22:34:45] <lunar_sam>
really, it's just models, sfx, and music stopping me, but i need to
start doing some code
<lunar_sam>
really, it's just models, sfx, and music stopping me, but i need to
start doing some codeL836[22:35:19] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine
You should fix your sleep schedule too lady. Too little sleep is
not healthy and aggravates many other issues.
L837[22:35:34] <sapphicfettucine> i'm trying!
>.>
<sapphicfettucine> i'm trying!
>.>L838[22:35:49] <dequbed> Too much sleep
isn't healty either; and it's sometimes indicative of bigger
underlying issues.
L839[22:36:08] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine
well stop trying and start doing then! :<
L840[22:36:30] <sapphicfettucine> i'm getting my good 8
hours in regularly now
<sapphicfettucine> i'm getting my good 8
hours in regularly nowL841[22:36:33] <lunar_sam>
my sleep schedule is currently a mess
<lunar_sam>
my sleep schedule is currently a messL842[22:36:45] <lunar_sam>
maybe it'll change once i have a constant thing going
<lunar_sam>
maybe it'll change once i have a constant thing goingL843[22:36:49] <lunar_sam>
like a job :P
<lunar_sam>
like a job :PL844[22:36:55] <sapphicfettucine> except yesterday, when
i confused my adhd pill bottle with my spironolactone pill bottle
and only realised too late...
<sapphicfettucine> except yesterday, when
i confused my adhd pill bottle with my spironolactone pill bottle
and only realised too late...L845[22:37:35] <dequbed> I assume you took
ADHD meds instead of spironolactone? In which case oh. oh no.
L846[22:38:01] <lunar_sam>
time to write some `C++`
<lunar_sam>
time to write some `C++`L847[22:38:02] <Amanda> I've been getting
6-8h of sleep. I'd get more on later nights if there werent some
birds nesting on the back porch being loudaf very morning
L848[22:38:02] <sapphicfettucine> yep >.>
<sapphicfettucine> yep >.>L849[22:38:16] <sapphicfettucine> it was very fun to try
to sleep after that
<sapphicfettucine> it was very fun to try
to sleep after thatL850[22:39:13] <sapphicfettucine> at least i can wrench
my schedule back into place today by going to sleep earlier due to
not having slept as much. it all works out in the end. maybe
<sapphicfettucine> at least i can wrench
my schedule back into place today by going to sleep earlier due to
not having slept as much. it all works out in the end. maybeL851[22:39:20] <Ariri>
lets all fix our sleep schedule together :P
<Ariri>
lets all fix our sleep schedule together :PL852[22:39:21] <dequbed> I'm surprised you
take spiro in the evening. I've heard it fucks one's sleep pattern
royaly.
L853[22:39:42] <sapphicfettucine> huh, i've never had any
issues with it and sleep?
<sapphicfettucine> huh, i've never had any
issues with it and sleep?L854[22:40:18] <sapphicfettucine> as goes the saying,
your mileage may vary ™️™️
<sapphicfettucine> as goes the saying,
your mileage may vary ™️™️L855[22:40:27] <dequbed> Can't say I've
tried :P
L856[22:41:08] *
Amanda balances a teapot on Inari's head
L857[22:41:32] <sapphicfettucine> >dequbed: Can't say
I've tried :P
<sapphicfettucine> >dequbed: Can't say
I've tried :PL858[22:41:32] <sapphicfettucine> lol
<sapphicfettucine> lolL859[22:43:11] <Amanda> %choose back to
the factory or halucinate or irradiate
L860[22:43:11] <MichiBot> Amanda: Oh no,
not "halucinate" again! I'll have "irradiate"
instead.
L861[22:43:21] <Amanda> hrm
L862[22:43:36] <dequbed> %pet The damn ca–
I mean Amanda
L863[22:43:36] <MichiBot> dequbed is
brushing The with damn ca– I mean Amanda. The regains 1d4 => 3
hit points!
L864[22:43:51] <dequbed> lol
L865[22:44:17] *
Amanda meeps
L866[22:44:28] <Amanda> rude!
L867[22:44:43] <sapphicfettucine> always remember to heal
your definite articles
<sapphicfettucine> always remember to heal
your definite articlesL868[22:45:02] <Amanda> %claw the
L869[22:45:02] <MichiBot> Amanda is
trying to claw the! They have 5 minutes if they want to attempt to
%defend against it!
L870[22:45:04] <MichiBot> Amanda is
clawing the for 1d6 => 4 damage!
L871[22:48:56] <Forecaster> %pet "something vaguely
resembling a pet"
<Forecaster> %pet "something vaguely
resembling a pet"L872[22:48:56] <MichiBot> Forecaster is
patting something vaguely resembling a pet with persister.jar.
something vaguely resembling a pet regains 1d4 => 2 hit
points!
L873[22:51:52] <dequbed> %pet "The
damn ca– I mean pet the pretty smart wonderful Amanda"
L874[22:51:52] <MichiBot> Message too long
to send to channel https://paste.pc-logix.com/jakexixusu
L875[22:51:55] <dequbed> lol
L876[22:52:50] <Amanda> Hey! Who killed my
music career?
L877[22:53:00] <dequbed> %blame
Forecaster
L878[22:53:01] *
MichiBot blames Forecaster for adding a stone ingot to the
inventory!
L879[22:56:44] ⇦
Quits: Inari (~Pinkishu@p508ef367.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: KVIrc
5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)
L880[23:00:36] ⇦
Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@port-92-192-6-121.dynamic.as20676.net)
(Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L881[23:10:06] <lunar_sam> oh yeah,
recently learned about markov matricies for compression
L882[23:10:07] <Amanda> %pat dequbed
L883[23:10:08] <MichiBot> Amanda is
petting dequbed with no tea. dequbed regains 1d4 => 4 hit
points!
L884[23:10:16] <lunar_sam> thank you
youtube for recommending me my type of crack
L885[23:10:39] <Amanda> Forecaster why are
pet and pat reversed?
L886[23:13:02] <lunar_sam> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGoR3ZYZqjc
L887[23:31:22]
⇨ Joins: Thutmose (~Patrick@67.21.186.253)
L888[23:48:49] <Ariri> the
one thing I like about discord is how creative people are with
doing funni things with video formats https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716915765038678106/953056687567302706/My_Video18.webm
<Ariri> the
one thing I like about discord is how creative people are with
doing funni things with video formats https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/716915765038678106/953056687567302706/My_Video18.webmL889[23:48:49] <Ariri> I
don't think it'll work on IRC or browser though, but here's the
non-DL link anyways https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716915765038678106/953056687567302706/My_Video18.webm
<Ariri> I
don't think it'll work on IRC or browser though, but here's the
non-DL link anyways https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716915765038678106/953056687567302706/My_Video18.webmL890[23:53:37] <Ocawesome101> wack
<Ocawesome101> wack