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<Kodos> So
I may be buying a house next year from Casey's General Store's
Corporate Office
<Kodos> So
I may be buying a house next year from Casey's General Store's
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L8[03:00:12] <Michiyo>
>Kodos: So I may be buying a house next year fr…
<Michiyo>
>Kodos: So I may be buying a house next year fr…L9[03:00:12] <Michiyo>
That's awesome... I'd love to get out of this damn townhouse
<Michiyo>
That's awesome... I'd love to get out of this damn townhouseL10[03:07:33] <Kodos>
%tonk
<Kodos>
%tonkL11[03:07:36] <MichiBot> Consarn it!
Kodos! You beat Vaur's previous record of 10 hours, 40 minutes
and 24 seconds (By 15 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L12[03:07:37] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record
is 10 hours, 55 minutes and 30 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.00275
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L14[04:09:05] <Wattana>
>surface to air missile:
<Wattana>
>surface to air missile:L15[04:09:05] <Wattana>
How the hell did you manage to build such good looking plane in
ksp
<Wattana>
How the hell did you manage to build such good looking plane in
kspL16[04:09:14] <lunar_sam>
procedural wings
<lunar_sam>
procedural wingsL17[04:09:19] <Wattana> I
never managed to make a plane both look good and have good
aerodynamics
<Wattana> I
never managed to make a plane both look good and have good
aerodynamicsL19[04:09:41] <lunar_sam>
it's loosely based off of the irl Su-47 Berkut and the fictional
ADFX-01 Morgan
<lunar_sam>
it's loosely based off of the irl Su-47 Berkut and the fictional
ADFX-01 MorganL21[04:18:02] <lunar_sam>
>Wattana: I never managed to make a plane both look…
<lunar_sam>
>Wattana: I never managed to make a plane both look…L22[04:18:02] <lunar_sam>
also i make them look like aircraft lol
<lunar_sam>
also i make them look like aircraft lolL23[04:18:24] <lunar_sam>
and typically i have a TWR over 1
<lunar_sam>
and typically i have a TWR over 1L24[04:18:31] <lunar_sam>
typically
<lunar_sam>
typicallyL25[04:18:43] <lunar_sam>
my big bomber has a TWR of
<lunar_sam>
my big bomber has a TWR ofL26[04:18:54] <lunar_sam>
anywhere from 1.03 to 0.3ish? i think
<lunar_sam>
anywhere from 1.03 to 0.3ish? i thinkL27[04:19:00] <lunar_sam>
but it's a turboprop so
<lunar_sam>
but it's a turboprop soL29[04:20:41] <lunar_sam>
i also like to make my planes work under FAR
<lunar_sam>
i also like to make my planes work under FARL30[04:20:43] <lunar_sam>
just because
<lunar_sam>
just becauseL31[04:20:54] <lunar_sam>
infact, some of my planes work much better under FAR
<lunar_sam>
infact, some of my planes work much better under FARL32[04:21:03] <lunar_sam>
the finnabair, for instance
<lunar_sam>
the finnabair, for instanceL33[04:21:11] <lunar_sam>
>surface to air missile: i also have other planes
<lunar_sam>
>surface to air missile: i also have other planesL34[04:21:11] <lunar_sam>
(this one)
<lunar_sam>
(this one)L35[04:21:24] <lunar_sam>
is able to supercruise and reach extremely high top speeds
<lunar_sam>
is able to supercruise and reach extremely high top speedsL36[04:21:30] <lunar_sam>
and accelerate extremely quickly
<lunar_sam>
and accelerate extremely quicklyL37[04:21:43] <lunar_sam>
mostly due to it's narrow wings, among other things
<lunar_sam>
mostly due to it's narrow wings, among other thingsL38[04:21:59] <lunar_sam>
~~it's also a bit of a challenge to fly due to the t-tail but
that's neither here nor there~~
<lunar_sam>
~~it's also a bit of a challenge to fly due to the t-tail but
that's neither here nor there~~L39[04:24:29] <Amanda> %tell Inari good
mews, I knocked down the giant, sparkling, pine-smelling monster in
the living room!
L40[04:24:31] <MichiBot> Amanda: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L41[04:24:58] *
Amanda snugs up around elfi, passes out
L42[04:25:50] <Amanda> Night nerds
L43[04:26:16] <Amanda> Tomorrow I get to
poke my brain with a cotton swab so I can get on two death
traps
L45[04:47:28] <lunar_sam>
we partake in a minuscule amount of tomfoolery https://tinyurl.com/y6bf86tf
<lunar_sam>
we partake in a minuscule amount of tomfoolery https://tinyurl.com/y6bf86tfL46[04:53:42] <Wattana>
speaking of ksp do u think there will be players doing space wars
when ksp 2 comes out?
<Wattana>
speaking of ksp do u think there will be players doing space wars
when ksp 2 comes out?L47[04:53:50] <Wattana> i
can see that being a possibility
<Wattana> i
can see that being a possibilityL48[04:54:18] <Wattana>
~~2b2t in ksp2~~
<Wattana>
~~2b2t in ksp2~~L49[04:55:23] <lunar_sam>
idk
<lunar_sam>
idkL50[04:55:29] <lunar_sam>
i just like doing ace combat in KSP
<lunar_sam>
i just like doing ace combat in KSPL51[05:01:53] <Wattana>
openos is so limited for making daemons 😭
<Wattana>
openos is so limited for making daemons 😭L52[05:02:41] <Wattana> i
have to spam computronic sound card with the process command but i
have to do it in different thread or suffer timer stuff
<Wattana> i
have to spam computronic sound card with the process command but i
have to do it in different thread or suffer timer stuffL53[05:02:50] <Wattana>
but openos processes are just glorified coroutines
<Wattana>
but openos processes are just glorified coroutinesL54[05:02:54] <Wattana>
fuuuu
<Wattana>
fuuuuL55[05:10:03] <lunar_sam>
that's how lua do
<lunar_sam>
that's how lua doL56[05:24:22] <Wattana>
only if openos would take coroutines to the next step with built-in
scheduler
<Wattana>
only if openos would take coroutines to the next step with built-in
schedulerL57[05:24:52] <Wattana>
that'd make daemon stuff(smth like sound card driver that
simplifies using computronics sound card) hella easy
<Wattana>
that'd make daemon stuff(smth like sound card driver that
simplifies using computronics sound card) hella easyL58[05:25:13] <Ocawesome101> openos has a
scheduler
<Ocawesome101> openos has a
schedulerL59[05:25:13] <Wattana>
bc you literally just spawn a thread that spam `sound.process()`
and just do whatever you want after
<Wattana>
bc you literally just spawn a thread that spam `sound.process()`
and just do whatever you want afterL60[05:25:27] <Ocawesome101> cynosure has basic
pre-emptive multitasking even
<Ocawesome101> cynosure has basic
pre-emptive multitasking evenL61[05:25:27] <Ocawesome101> so
<Ocawesome101> soL62[05:25:28] <Ocawesome101> hey
<Ocawesome101> heyL63[05:25:40] <Ocawesome101> if you want to write it for
ULOS you don't even have to worry about yielding assuming you loop
enough
<Ocawesome101> if you want to write it for
ULOS you don't even have to worry about yielding assuming you loop
enoughL64[05:25:46] <Wattana>
>Ocawesome101: openos has a scheduler
<Wattana>
>Ocawesome101: openos has a schedulerL65[05:25:46] <Wattana>
docs page?
<Wattana>
docs page?L66[05:25:52] <lunar_sam>
`boat`
<lunar_sam>
`boat`L67[05:25:54] <Ocawesome101> it's not explicitly
documented iirc
<Ocawesome101> it's not explicitly
documented iircL68[05:25:54] <Wattana>
>Ocawesome101: cynosure has basic pre-emptive multitas…
<Wattana>
>Ocawesome101: cynosure has basic pre-emptive multitas…L69[05:25:55] <Wattana>
HOW
<Wattana>
HOWL70[05:26:02] <Ocawesome101> >Wattana: **HOW**
<Ocawesome101> >Wattana: **HOW**L71[05:26:03] <Ocawesome101> code analysis
<Ocawesome101> code analysisL72[05:26:14] <lunar_sam>
ocawesome makes cool stuff
<lunar_sam>
ocawesome makes cool stuffL73[05:26:18] <Wattana>
auto yield???
<Wattana>
auto yield???L74[05:26:34] <lunar_sam>
sam makes data structures and mostly useless tools
<lunar_sam>
sam makes data structures and mostly useless toolsL75[05:26:42] <Ocawesome101> after every loop statement
(if, while, for) it sticks a call to an internal function that will
decide whether that process has been running too long, and yield if
it has
<Ocawesome101> after every loop statement
(if, while, for) it sticks a call to an internal function that will
decide whether that process has been running too long, and yield if
it hasL76[05:26:49] <lunar_sam>
(people sure do like uncpio, though)
<lunar_sam>
(people sure do like uncpio, though)L77[05:27:03] <Ocawesome101> see https://github.com/ocawesome101/oc-cynosure/blob/dev/base/load.lua
<Ocawesome101> see https://github.com/ocawesome101/oc-cynosure/blob/dev/base/load.luaL78[05:27:11] <lunar_sam>
oh wait, @Ocawesome101 did you see txc?
<lunar_sam>
oh wait, @Ocawesome101 did you see txc?L79[05:27:17] <Ocawesome101> vaguely
<Ocawesome101> vaguelyL80[05:27:23] <lunar_sam>
yeah
<lunar_sam>
yeahL81[05:27:26] <lunar_sam>
i got angry at tar
<lunar_sam>
i got angry at tarL82[05:27:28] <lunar_sam>
made that
<lunar_sam>
made thatL83[05:27:38] <Wattana>
holy shit it's automatic yield injection???
<Wattana>
holy shit it's automatic yield injection???L84[05:27:42] <lunar_sam>
i took what i learned from the first archive format i made and
cpio64
<lunar_sam>
i took what i learned from the first archive format i made and
cpio64L85[05:27:43] <Ocawesome101> @Wattana yes
<Ocawesome101> @Wattana yesL86[05:27:45] <lunar_sam>
put em together
<lunar_sam>
put em togetherL87[05:27:56] <Wattana>
that's so fucking awesome
<Wattana>
that's so fucking awesomeL88[05:28:00] <Wattana>
im ditching openos ig
<Wattana>
im ditching openos igL89[05:28:01] <Wattana>
yeet
<Wattana>
yeetL90[05:28:01] <Ocawesome101> it was initially much
simpler but there are some cases where you need my more complex
solution
<Ocawesome101> it was initially much
simpler but there are some cases where you need my more complex
solutionL91[05:28:19] <lunar_sam>
anyways
<lunar_sam>
anywaysL92[05:28:27] <lunar_sam>
how's the luaposix emulation coming :P
<lunar_sam>
how's the luaposix emulation coming :PL93[05:28:36] <Ocawesome101> uhhh
<Ocawesome101> uhhhL94[05:28:42] <Ocawesome101> i started rewriting
Cynosure to be able to do that better
<Ocawesome101> i started rewriting
Cynosure to be able to do that betterL95[05:28:46] <lunar_sam>
ah
<lunar_sam>
ahL96[05:28:46] <lunar_sam>
neat
<lunar_sam>
neatL97[05:28:50] <Ocawesome101> and haven't gotten remotely
close to finishing lmao
<Ocawesome101> and haven't gotten remotely
close to finishing lmaoL98[05:28:58] <lunar_sam>
maybe soon i'll be able to give you a TN stack and a FoxFS
driver
<lunar_sam>
maybe soon i'll be able to give you a TN stack and a FoxFS
driverL99[05:29:17] <lunar_sam>
reference, of course
<lunar_sam>
reference, of courseL100[05:29:26] <Ocawesome101> Cynosure 2.0 is 1124 lines
excluding comments and is probably <10% done
<Ocawesome101> Cynosure 2.0 is 1124 lines
excluding comments and is probably <10% doneL101[05:29:34] <Wattana>
ULOS uses the Cynosure kernel, it seems?
<Wattana>
ULOS uses the Cynosure kernel, it seems?L102[05:29:36] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL103[05:29:46] <Ocawesome101> yes, ULOS does indeed use
the Cynosure kernel
<Ocawesome101> yes, ULOS does indeed use
the Cynosure kernelL104[05:29:52] <lunar_sam>
lcpio will be much easier to port to new platforms
<lunar_sam>
lcpio will be much easier to port to new platformsL106[05:30:11] <lunar_sam>
all you have to do is implement the nyi'd functions of the platform
library
<lunar_sam>
all you have to do is implement the nyi'd functions of the platform
libraryL107[05:30:20] <lunar_sam>
maybe i'll even make a windows version :P
<lunar_sam>
maybe i'll even make a windows version :PL108[05:30:33] <Ocawesome101> for cynosure 2 i want to
properly battle-test unmanaged filesystem support
<Ocawesome101> for cynosure 2 i want to
properly battle-test unmanaged filesystem supportL109[05:30:43] <Ocawesome101> but that requires a working
driver, which i haven't yet managed to write
<Ocawesome101> but that requires a working
driver, which i haven't yet managed to writeL110[05:30:46] <lunar_sam>
could do VFAT
<lunar_sam>
could do VFATL111[05:30:48] <lunar_sam>
:P
<lunar_sam>
:PL112[05:30:51] <Ocawesome101> i could, yes
<Ocawesome101> i could, yesL113[05:31:05] <Ocawesome101> but i prefer CFS for its
full posix permissions and whatnot
<Ocawesome101> but i prefer CFS for its
full posix permissions and whatnotL114[05:31:11] <lunar_sam>
wasn't there a linux kernel driver for FAT+Posix perms?
<lunar_sam>
wasn't there a linux kernel driver for FAT+Posix perms?L115[05:31:18] <Ocawesome101> maybe? idk
<Ocawesome101> maybe? idkL116[05:31:27] <lunar_sam>
who knows
<lunar_sam>
who knowsL117[05:31:32] <Ocawesome101> i definitely could do some
simple FAT-like filesystem to start out
<Ocawesome101> i definitely could do some
simple FAT-like filesystem to start outL118[05:31:42] <lunar_sam>
foxfs is very ext-like, it's neat
<lunar_sam>
foxfs is very ext-like, it's neatL119[05:31:50] <Wattana>
minecraft's audio randomly dies for some reason 🤔
<Wattana>
minecraft's audio randomly dies for some reason 🤔L120[05:31:57]
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L121[05:32:02] <Wattana>
good thing reloading resources also restarts the audio system
<Wattana>
good thing reloading resources also restarts the audio systemL122[05:32:03] <Ocawesome101> CFS is basically ext2
without block/inode groups
<Ocawesome101> CFS is basically ext2
without block/inode groupsL123[05:32:06] <lunar_sam>
filesystem forks my beloved
<lunar_sam>
filesystem forks my belovedL124[05:32:22] <lunar_sam>
foxfs is ext3cow with resource forks :P
<lunar_sam>
foxfs is ext3cow with resource forks :PL125[05:32:35] <lunar_sam>
well, not quite
<lunar_sam>
well, not quiteL126[05:32:36] <lunar_sam>
but
<lunar_sam>
butL127[05:32:40] <lunar_sam>
you get my point
<lunar_sam>
you get my pointL128[05:33:01] <lunar_sam>
might do further optimizations to foxfs
<lunar_sam>
might do further optimizations to foxfsL129[05:33:11] <lunar_sam>
maybe the superblock can specify field sizes
<lunar_sam>
maybe the superblock can specify field sizesL130[05:33:13] <lunar_sam>
:P
<lunar_sam>
:PL131[05:33:30] <Ocawesome101> the CFS spec is at https://globalempire.github.io/OpenStandards/Filesystems/CFS
<Ocawesome101> the CFS spec is at https://globalempire.github.io/OpenStandards/Filesystems/CFSL132[05:33:46] <Ocawesome101> table formatting is mildly
broken
<Ocawesome101> table formatting is mildly
brokenL133[05:33:51] <lunar_sam>
i'll have the foxfs spec up once i bang it out
<lunar_sam>
i'll have the foxfs spec up once i bang it outL134[05:34:06] <Ocawesome101> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OpenStandards/blob/master/Filesystems/CFS.md
looks significantly better
<Ocawesome101> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OpenStandards/blob/master/Filesystems/CFS.md
looks significantly betterL135[05:34:07] <lunar_sam>
i do like the idea that the superblock defines field sizes
<lunar_sam>
i do like the idea that the superblock defines field sizesL136[05:34:12] <lunar_sam>
it'd make it scale much better
<lunar_sam>
it'd make it scale much betterL137[05:34:55] <lunar_sam>
you don't need 48 bit block addressing on a say
<lunar_sam>
you don't need 48 bit block addressing on a sayL138[05:35:01] <lunar_sam>
4GB drive
<lunar_sam>
4GB driveL139[05:35:02] <lunar_sam>
:P
<lunar_sam>
:PL140[05:35:20] <Wattana>
um hey @Ocawesome101
<Wattana>
um hey @Ocawesome101L141[05:35:24] <Ocawesome101> yes?
<Ocawesome101> yes?L143[05:35:37] <Wattana>
wait
<Wattana>
waitL144[05:35:41] <Wattana> i
think i sus smth
<Wattana> i
think i sus smthL145[05:35:44] <Ocawesome101> use lua 5.3
<Ocawesome101> use lua 5.3L146[05:35:50] <Wattana>
snap
<Wattana>
snapL147[05:35:55] <Wattana> i
didnt check the cpu arch
<Wattana> i
didnt check the cpu archL148[05:35:56] <Ocawesome101> also that installer is
probably very broken
<Ocawesome101> also that installer is
probably very brokenL149[05:36:04] <Ocawesome101> if it works i'd be
impressed
<Ocawesome101> if it works i'd be
impressedL150[05:36:14] <lunar_sam>
huh
<lunar_sam>
huhL151[05:36:24] <lunar_sam>
even with 24-bit block addressing
<lunar_sam>
even with 24-bit block addressingL152[05:36:32] <lunar_sam>
and a 1024 byte block size
<lunar_sam>
and a 1024 byte block sizeL153[05:36:43] <lunar_sam>
you'd still be able to get a 16GB partition
<lunar_sam>
you'd still be able to get a 16GB partitionL154[05:37:09] <lunar_sam>
16 bits would even be enough for OC
<lunar_sam>
16 bits would even be enough for OCL155[05:37:23] <lunar_sam>
yessss
<lunar_sam>
yessssL156[05:37:28] <lunar_sam>
this solves all my problems
<lunar_sam>
this solves all my problemsL157[05:38:28] <lunar_sam>
oh neat
<lunar_sam>
oh neatL158[05:38:31] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL159[05:38:37] <lunar_sam>
tsuki has an osid there
<lunar_sam>
tsuki has an osid thereL160[05:38:52] <lunar_sam>
is that based off the VELX osids?
<lunar_sam>
is that based off the VELX osids?L161[05:39:13] <Ocawesome101> yes
<Ocawesome101> yesL162[05:39:17] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL163[05:39:23] <Ocawesome101> in fact i think it is the
VELX osids, with an addition or two
<Ocawesome101> in fact i think it is the
VELX osids, with an addition or twoL164[05:39:30] <lunar_sam>
lemme check
<lunar_sam>
lemme checkL165[05:39:50] <lunar_sam>
nah
<lunar_sam>
nahL166[05:39:57] <Ocawesome101> maybe it was from something
else
<Ocawesome101> maybe it was from something
elseL167[05:40:05] <lunar_sam>
still funny
<lunar_sam>
still funnyL168[05:40:10] <lunar_sam>
tsuki's velx osid is 0
<lunar_sam>
tsuki's velx osid is 0L169[05:40:32] <lunar_sam>
VELX is a nice format
<lunar_sam>
VELX is a nice formatL170[05:40:37] <lunar_sam>
i'm very happy with VELXv1
<lunar_sam>
i'm very happy with VELXv1L171[05:40:42] <lunar_sam>
v2 is a bit much though
<lunar_sam>
v2 is a bit much thoughL172[05:40:56] <lunar_sam>
WAIT
<lunar_sam>
WAITL173[05:41:01] <lunar_sam>
IT IS ROUGHLY BASED OFF OF IT
<lunar_sam>
IT IS ROUGHLY BASED OFF OF ITL174[05:41:07] <lunar_sam>
fuchas having 69
<lunar_sam>
fuchas having 69L175[05:41:22] <Ocawesome101> yeah, roughly. not
exact
<Ocawesome101> yeah, roughly. not
exactL176[05:41:32] <lunar_sam>
very fun regardless
<lunar_sam>
very fun regardlessL177[05:41:48] <lunar_sam>
velx osids only go up to 127 because the last bit specifies if it's
a library or not :P
<lunar_sam>
velx osids only go up to 127 because the last bit specifies if it's
a library or not :PL178[05:41:56] <Ocawesome101> ah, that's clever
<Ocawesome101> ah, that's cleverL179[05:41:59] <lunar_sam>
v2 doesn't have this problem, but v2 is also way more
complicated
<lunar_sam>
v2 doesn't have this problem, but v2 is also way more
complicatedL180[05:42:08] <Ocawesome101> have you seen CEX
<Ocawesome101> have you seen CEXL181[05:42:14] <Ocawesome101> it's mildly stupid
<Ocawesome101> it's mildly stupidL183[05:42:45] <lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Random-OC-Docs/blob/master/formats/velx/v2.md
the docs are also garbage
<lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Random-OC-Docs/blob/master/formats/velx/v2.md
the docs are also garbageL184[05:42:49] <Ocawesome101> i do actually have a set of
utils for working with it though
<Ocawesome101> i do actually have a set of
utils for working with it thoughL185[05:43:04] <Ocawesome101> see everything in the
`cex/` folder in that repository
<Ocawesome101> see everything in the
`cex/` folder in that repositoryL186[05:43:12] <Ocawesome101> and i think i've got kernel
infrastructure for loading it
<Ocawesome101> and i think i've got kernel
infrastructure for loading itL187[05:43:15] <Ocawesome101> (mosly)
<Ocawesome101> (mosly)L188[05:43:17] <Ocawesome101> (mostly) [Edited]
<Ocawesome101> (mostly) [Edited]L189[05:43:26] <lunar_sam>
i mean
<lunar_sam>
i meanL190[05:43:39] <lunar_sam>
iirc zorya loads both VELXv1 and v2
<lunar_sam>
iirc zorya loads both VELXv1 and v2L191[05:44:02] <lunar_sam>
also have used VELX outside of OC once or twice
<lunar_sam>
also have used VELX outside of OC once or twiceL193[05:44:13] <Wattana>
why is it that first one breaks and the second one installs
<Wattana>
why is it that first one breaks and the second one installsL194[05:44:18] <Wattana>
why is it that first one breaks and the second one installs instead
of launching live image [Edited]
<Wattana>
why is it that first one breaks and the second one installs instead
of launching live image [Edited]L195[05:44:23] <Wattana>
🤔
<Wattana>
🤔L196[05:44:25] <lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Random-OC-Docs/blob/master/formats/velx/v1.md
velxv1 is just
<lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Random-OC-Docs/blob/master/formats/velx/v1.md
velxv1 is justL197[05:44:28] <lunar_sam>
so nice and simple
<lunar_sam>
so nice and simpleL198[05:44:29] <Ocawesome101> the first one uses a shitty
installer script i threw together quickly to see if it'd work
<Ocawesome101> the first one uses a shitty
installer script i threw together quickly to see if it'd workL199[05:44:33] <lunar_sam>
❤️
<lunar_sam>
❤️L200[05:44:40] <Ocawesome101> the second one downloads a
live image, which runs read-only from memory
<Ocawesome101> the second one downloads a
live image, which runs read-only from memoryL201[05:45:00] <Wattana>
wait does that mean im not able to write files
<Wattana>
wait does that mean im not able to write filesL202[05:45:03] <Ocawesome101> correct
<Ocawesome101> correctL203[05:45:05] <Ocawesome101> you have to install
it
<Ocawesome101> you have to install
itL204[05:45:13] <Ocawesome101> with either `minstall` or
`installer`
<Ocawesome101> with either `minstall` or
`installer`L205[05:45:20] <lunar_sam>
i'm probably gonna replace both tsar and cpio64 with txc if i ever
rewrite zorya
<lunar_sam>
i'm probably gonna replace both tsar and cpio64 with txc if i ever
rewrite zoryaL206[05:45:26] <Wattana>
whats the default username and pw then i gotta log in first
<Wattana>
whats the default username and pw then i gotta log in firstL207[05:45:37] <Ocawesome101> i recommend `minstall`
because i trust it slightly more (and don't use the offline
installer) but `installer` is reasonably robust, and fancier
<Ocawesome101> i recommend `minstall`
because i trust it slightly more (and don't use the offline
installer) but `installer` is reasonably robust, and fancierL208[05:45:41] <Ocawesome101> `root`/`root`
<Ocawesome101> `root`/`root`L209[05:45:44] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL210[05:45:49] <lunar_sam>
wanna talk about bad installers?
<lunar_sam>
wanna talk about bad installers?L211[05:45:52] <lunar_sam>
the zorya installer is
<lunar_sam>
the zorya installer isL212[05:45:53] <lunar_sam>
AWFUL
<lunar_sam>
AWFULL213[05:46:08] <lunar_sam>
entire thing is held together with duct tape and paperclips
<lunar_sam>
entire thing is held together with duct tape and paperclipsL214[05:46:23] <Ocawesome101> the zorya installer is
indeed odd, from what i remember of it
<Ocawesome101> the zorya installer is
indeed odd, from what i remember of itL215[05:46:30] <lunar_sam>
the self-extracting archive tends to cause it to OOM on low end
computers
<lunar_sam>
the self-extracting archive tends to cause it to OOM on low end
computersL216[05:46:33] <lunar_sam>
etc, etc
<lunar_sam>
etc, etcL217[05:46:40] <Ocawesome101> i mean
<Ocawesome101> i meanL218[05:46:53] <Ocawesome101> ULOS's installer (and ULOS
itself) requires a baseline of 384K
<Ocawesome101> ULOS's installer (and ULOS
itself) requires a baseline of 384KL219[05:46:55] <lunar_sam>
by low end i mean, for a while you had to have T3 to install
it
<lunar_sam>
by low end i mean, for a while you had to have T3 to install
itL220[05:47:01] <Ocawesome101> so it juuuust barely runs
on T1
<Ocawesome101> so it juuuust barely runs
on T1L221[05:47:03] <lunar_sam>
it was stupid
<lunar_sam>
it was stupidL222[05:47:16] <lunar_sam>
i disabled the full archive compression
<lunar_sam>
i disabled the full archive compressionL223[05:47:18] <Ocawesome101> TLE needs at least like
524K or something to work reliably
<Ocawesome101> TLE needs at least like
524K or something to work reliablyL224[05:47:28] <lunar_sam>
suddenly it was much better on memory
<lunar_sam>
suddenly it was much better on memoryL225[05:47:32] <lunar_sam>
still required T2 iirc
<lunar_sam>
still required T2 iircL227[05:47:50] <MichiBot> Installing
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L228[05:48:02] <lunar_sam>
zorya's tooling is also awful
<lunar_sam>
zorya's tooling is also awfulL229[05:48:07] <Ocawesome101> it's a little out-of-date
but it covers the basics if you're confused
<Ocawesome101> it's a little out-of-date
but it covers the basics if you're confusedL230[05:48:09] <lunar_sam>
and by god, don't corrupt the what
<lunar_sam>
and by god, don't corrupt the whatL231[05:48:13] <Ocawesome101> ULOS is actually rather
nice
<Ocawesome101> ULOS is actually rather
niceL232[05:48:17] <lunar_sam>
i think it was like `boot.tsar`?
<lunar_sam>
i think it was like `boot.tsar`?L233[05:48:30] <lunar_sam>
anyways, it was a mess
<lunar_sam>
anyways, it was a messL234[05:48:33] <Ocawesome101> ah yes, tsar
<Ocawesome101> ah yes, tsarL235[05:48:40] <Ocawesome101> do you still use that
<Ocawesome101> do you still use thatL236[05:48:50] <lunar_sam>
probably gonna phase it out for txc
<lunar_sam>
probably gonna phase it out for txcL237[05:49:03] <lunar_sam>
it fits tsar's role as
<lunar_sam>
it fits tsar's role asL238[05:49:10] <lunar_sam>
like
<lunar_sam>
likeL239[05:49:21] <lunar_sam>
"slightly better than mtar"
<lunar_sam>
"slightly better than mtar"L240[05:49:28] <Ocawesome101> ulos just uses mtar
<Ocawesome101> ulos just uses mtarL241[05:49:32] <lunar_sam>
and "smaller than cpio"
<lunar_sam>
and "smaller than cpio"L242[05:49:39] <Ocawesome101> because mtar is
ridiculously simple
<Ocawesome101> because mtar is
ridiculously simpleL243[05:49:41] <lunar_sam>
ye
<lunar_sam>
yeL244[05:49:48] <lunar_sam>
txc is more complex than tsar but
<lunar_sam>
txc is more complex than tsar butL245[05:49:51] <Ocawesome101> ❤️ mtar
<Ocawesome101> ❤️ mtarL246[05:49:56] <lunar_sam>
lord, is it work it
<lunar_sam>
lord, is it work itL247[05:50:02] <lunar_sam>
tsar is fairly simple itself since
<lunar_sam>
tsar is fairly simple itself sinceL248[05:50:12] <lunar_sam>
it's just a cpio
<lunar_sam>
it's just a cpioL249[05:50:25] <lunar_sam>
with different fields
<lunar_sam>
with different fieldsL250[05:50:29] <lunar_sam>
also wacky 48 bit ints
<lunar_sam>
also wacky 48 bit intsL251[05:50:32] <lunar_sam>
iirc
<lunar_sam>
iircL252[05:50:47] <lunar_sam>
hey
<lunar_sam>
heyL253[05:50:51] <Ocawesome101> tfw `int48`
<Ocawesome101> tfw `int48`L254[05:50:53] <lunar_sam>
at least it wasn't `URF`
<lunar_sam>
at least it wasn't `URF`L255[05:51:00] <lunar_sam>
[shudder]
<lunar_sam>
[shudder]L256[05:51:06] <Ocawesome101> is URF one of yours?
<Ocawesome101> is URF one of yours?L257[05:51:08] <lunar_sam>
yes
<lunar_sam>
yesL258[05:51:10] <lunar_sam>
way back
<lunar_sam>
way backL259[05:51:17] <lunar_sam>
it was
<lunar_sam>
it wasL260[05:51:17] <lunar_sam>
bad
<lunar_sam>
badL261[05:51:22] <lunar_sam>
so
<lunar_sam>
soL262[05:51:26] <lunar_sam>
you know how like
<lunar_sam>
you know how likeL263[05:51:32] <lunar_sam>
mtar, cpio, tsar, tar, etc
<lunar_sam>
mtar, cpio, tsar, tar, etcL264[05:51:42] <lunar_sam>
have the metadata like
<lunar_sam>
have the metadata likeL265[05:51:46] <lunar_sam>
right before the file data
<lunar_sam>
right before the file dataL266[05:51:57] <lunar_sam>
and that makes it way easier to read from tape or something?
<lunar_sam>
and that makes it way easier to read from tape or something?L267[05:51:59] <Ocawesome101> mhm?
<Ocawesome101> mhm?L268[05:52:05] <Ocawesome101> did URF have it all in the
header?
<Ocawesome101> did URF have it all in the
header?L269[05:52:07] <lunar_sam>
yes
<lunar_sam>
yesL270[05:52:09] <lunar_sam>
also
<lunar_sam>
alsoL271[05:52:17] <lunar_sam>
you know how those also have the full path as the name?
<lunar_sam>
you know how those also have the full path as the name?L272[05:52:29] <Ocawesome101> oh no
<Ocawesome101> oh noL273[05:52:37] <lunar_sam>
URF only had partial file names, you had to trace the file tree
back using entry IDs/parent IDs
<lunar_sam>
URF only had partial file names, you had to trace the file tree
back using entry IDs/parent IDsL274[05:52:43] <Ocawesome101> oh no
<Ocawesome101> oh noL275[05:53:03] <lunar_sam>
you know how those formats all have well defined type sizes, thus
well defined entry sizes?
<lunar_sam>
you know how those formats all have well defined type sizes, thus
well defined entry sizes?L276[05:53:09] <Ocawesome101> oh nooooo
<Ocawesome101> oh noooooL277[05:53:12] <lunar_sam>
URF used variable length integers
<lunar_sam>
URF used variable length integersL278[05:53:22] <Corded> *
<Ocawesome101> oh god no
L279[05:53:27] <lunar_sam>
it was AWFUL
<lunar_sam>
it was AWFULL280[05:53:30] <lunar_sam>
but it did have one thing
<lunar_sam>
but it did have one thingL281[05:53:36] <lunar_sam>
one actually good thing
<lunar_sam>
one actually good thingL282[05:53:37] <lunar_sam>
tags
<lunar_sam>
tagsL283[05:53:41] <lunar_sam>
(iirc)
<lunar_sam>
(iirc)L284[05:53:47] <lunar_sam>
they were just implemented HORRIBLY
<lunar_sam>
they were just implemented HORRIBLYL285[05:54:30] <Ocawesome101> hmmm
<Ocawesome101> hmmmL286[05:54:31] <lunar_sam>
YES
<lunar_sam>
YESL287[05:54:38] <lunar_sam>
IT WAS WITH AN EXTENDED ATTRIBUTES ENTRY
<lunar_sam>
IT WAS WITH AN EXTENDED ATTRIBUTES ENTRYL288[05:54:42] <lunar_sam>
holy fucking pain
<lunar_sam>
holy fucking painL289[05:54:48] <lunar_sam>
the format was a mess, if you couldn't tell
<lunar_sam>
the format was a mess, if you couldn't tellL290[05:55:03] <lunar_sam>
there was also no standard for extended attribute naming
<lunar_sam>
there was also no standard for extended attribute namingL291[05:55:36] <Ocawesome101> my cfs driver code is
foreign to me now - apparently i should comment it better because i
remember little about what it does
<Ocawesome101> my cfs driver code is
foreign to me now - apparently i should comment it better because i
remember little about what it doesL292[05:55:44] <lunar_sam>
i found the forum thread
<lunar_sam>
i found the forum threadL293[05:55:46] <lunar_sam>
for the spec
<lunar_sam>
for the specL294[05:55:54] <lunar_sam>
@Ocawesome101 https://oc.cil.li/topic/1802-oetf-15-universal-archive-format-urf/
bask in the c r i n g e
<lunar_sam>
@Ocawesome101 https://oc.cil.li/topic/1802-oetf-15-universal-archive-format-urf/
bask in the c r i n g eL295[05:55:58] <Ocawesome101> i suppose my first
supported FS in cynosure 2 will be just managed-plus-goodies
<Ocawesome101> i suppose my first
supported FS in cynosure 2 will be just managed-plus-goodiesL296[05:56:03] <Ocawesome101> ohboy
<Ocawesome101> ohboyL297[05:56:11] <lunar_sam>
i did not know as much as i do now
<lunar_sam>
i did not know as much as i do nowL298[05:56:23] <lunar_sam>
i mean i still dislike tar but somethings never change
<lunar_sam>
i mean i still dislike tar but somethings never changeL299[05:56:27] <lunar_sam>
`in fact, i dislike it more now`
<lunar_sam>
`in fact, i dislike it more now`L300[05:56:45] <lunar_sam>
> Arbitrary length integers (ALIs) MAY be over 64-bits in
precision
<lunar_sam>
> Arbitrary length integers (ALIs) MAY be over 64-bits in
precisionL301[05:56:46] <lunar_sam>
WHY
<lunar_sam>
WHYL302[05:57:41] <Ocawesome101> oh goodness your idea for
arbitrary length integers is horribly curse
<Ocawesome101> oh goodness your idea for
arbitrary length integers is horribly curseL303[05:57:42] <Ocawesome101> oh goodness your idea for
arbitrary length integers is horribly cursed [Edited]
<Ocawesome101> oh goodness your idea for
arbitrary length integers is horribly cursed [Edited]L304[05:57:43] <lunar_sam>
every part of this doc hurts my soul
<lunar_sam>
every part of this doc hurts my soulL305[05:58:05] <lunar_sam>
>Ocawesome101: oh goodness your idea for arbitrary lengt…
<lunar_sam>
>Ocawesome101: oh goodness your idea for arbitrary lengt…L306[05:58:05] <lunar_sam>
ngl i'd do it again if i ever did it again, and didn't have a space
to just
<lunar_sam>
ngl i'd do it again if i ever did it again, and didn't have a space
to justL307[05:58:12] <lunar_sam>
store how many bytes it was supposed to take up
<lunar_sam>
store how many bytes it was supposed to take upL308[05:58:21] <lunar_sam>
`but most times i do so it doesn't fucking matter`
<lunar_sam>
`but most times i do so it doesn't fucking matter`L309[05:58:35] <lunar_sam>
i usually have three bits left over somewhere to signal how many
bytes to consume
<lunar_sam>
i usually have three bits left over somewhere to signal how many
bytes to consumeL310[05:58:54] <Ocawesome101> honestly for truly
arbitrary lengths it's not an awful idea - but if you need more
than 2048 bits of precision then, uh
<Ocawesome101> honestly for truly
arbitrary lengths it's not an awful idea - but if you need more
than 2048 bits of precision then, uhL311[05:58:55] <Ocawesome101> yikes
<Ocawesome101> yikesL312[05:59:13] <Ocawesome101> excuse me, 2040 bytes
<Ocawesome101> excuse me, 2040 bytesL313[05:59:15] <Ocawesome101> bits
<Ocawesome101> bitsL314[05:59:18] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL315[05:59:24] <Ocawesome101> just use length-prefixing
:/
<Ocawesome101> just use length-prefixing
:/L316[05:59:34] <lunar_sam>
pretty much
<lunar_sam>
pretty muchL317[05:59:59] <lunar_sam>
like i said, when i need VLIs, i usually have some place to put the
length
<lunar_sam>
like i said, when i need VLIs, i usually have some place to put the
lengthL318[06:00:45] <lunar_sam>
anyways
<lunar_sam>
anywaysL319[06:00:48] <lunar_sam>
i learned many things
<lunar_sam>
i learned many thingsL320[06:00:55] <lunar_sam>
i combined them all into txc
<lunar_sam>
i combined them all into txcL321[06:00:58] <lunar_sam>
it's fairly sane
<lunar_sam>
it's fairly saneL322[06:01:10] <lunar_sam>
fairly sane
<lunar_sam>
fairly saneL323[06:01:29] <lunar_sam>
anyways
<lunar_sam>
anywaysL324[06:01:35] <lunar_sam>
gonna draft up an idea for foxfs real fast
<lunar_sam>
gonna draft up an idea for foxfs real fastL325[06:01:53] ⇦
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L326[06:03:35] <lunar_sam>
anyways, with my talk of the superblock giving the size of
fields
<lunar_sam>
anyways, with my talk of the superblock giving the size of
fieldsL327[06:03:41] <lunar_sam>
i'm not supporting live resize lmao
<lunar_sam>
i'm not supporting live resize lmaoL328[06:04:27] <Wattana>
is the installation process of ULOS inspired by Arch, by any
chance?
<Wattana>
is the installation process of ULOS inspired by Arch, by any
chance?L329[06:04:47] <Wattana>
downloading base packages into the disk you wanna install ULOS to
sounds a lot like Arch
<Wattana>
downloading base packages into the disk you wanna install ULOS to
sounds a lot like ArchL330[06:05:33] <Ocawesome101> it is, and in fact you can
do it manually
<Ocawesome101> it is, and in fact you can
do it manuallyL331[06:05:39] <Ocawesome101> that was one of my goals
for it
<Ocawesome101> that was one of my goals
for itL332[06:05:49] <lunar_sam>
so let's see, what fields do i need for foxfs
<lunar_sam>
so let's see, what fields do i need for foxfsL333[06:05:50] <Ocawesome101> also to have a solid
reliable package manager
<Ocawesome101> also to have a solid
reliable package managerL334[06:06:50] <lunar_sam>
here's a real question
<lunar_sam>
here's a real questionL335[06:07:37] <Kleadron>
how the fuck do I disable autorun in openos
<Kleadron>
how the fuck do I disable autorun in openosL336[06:07:51] <lunar_sam>
should i support extents with foxfs?
<lunar_sam>
should i support extents with foxfs?L337[06:07:53] <Wattana> i
got ULOS up and running and it's like a wet dream come true
<Wattana> i
got ULOS up and running and it's like a wet dream come trueL338[06:08:03] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL339[06:08:11] <lunar_sam>
extents sounds nice for desktops
<lunar_sam>
extents sounds nice for desktopsL340[06:08:14] <lunar_sam>
but for OC?
<lunar_sam>
but for OC?L341[06:08:17] <lunar_sam>
hm
<lunar_sam>
hmL342[06:08:24] <lunar_sam>
i'll leave it as an optional feature
<lunar_sam>
i'll leave it as an optional featureL343[06:08:31] <lunar_sam>
TIME FOR MORE PNG CHUNK NAMING CONVENTIONS, BABY
<lunar_sam>
TIME FOR MORE PNG CHUNK NAMING CONVENTIONS, BABYL344[06:08:56] <lunar_sam>
this is sam's favorite part, if you were wondering
<lunar_sam>
this is sam's favorite part, if you were wonderingL346[06:11:40] <lunar_sam>
yesss, superblock will hold a lot of info that'll make FoxFS scale
much better
<lunar_sam>
yesss, superblock will hold a lot of info that'll make FoxFS scale
much betterL347[06:11:51] <lunar_sam>
also that means i have to implement superblock backups
<lunar_sam>
also that means i have to implement superblock backupsL348[06:11:53] <lunar_sam>
FUCK
<lunar_sam>
FUCKL349[06:11:56] <lunar_sam>
oh well
<lunar_sam>
oh wellL351[06:12:31] <Wattana>
oops
<Wattana>
oopsL352[06:12:52] <Ocawesome101> @Wattana add more
memory
<Ocawesome101> @Wattana add more
memoryL353[06:13:03] <Wattana> I
gave it two T3.5 sticks
<Wattana> I
gave it two T3.5 sticksL354[06:13:07] <Ocawesome101> ...oh
<Ocawesome101> ...ohL355[06:13:20] <Ocawesome101> well that shouldn't
happen
<Ocawesome101> well that shouldn't
happenL356[06:13:28] <Wattana>
happens every time i try to run `man`
<Wattana>
happens every time i try to run `man`L357[06:13:52] <lunar_sam>
man
<lunar_sam>
manL358[06:13:58] <lunar_sam>
[out of memory]
<lunar_sam>
[out of memory]L359[06:14:35] <lunar_sam>
foxfs will probably be another case of "sam overengineers the
thing"
<lunar_sam>
foxfs will probably be another case of "sam overengineers the
thing"L360[06:14:40] <Ocawesome101> well, fortunately you can
also access the manual pages at https://oz-craft.pickardayune.com/man/ulos/ !
<Ocawesome101> well, fortunately you can
also access the manual pages at https://oz-craft.pickardayune.com/man/ulos/ !L361[06:14:47] <lunar_sam>
but luckily, i don't care
<lunar_sam>
but luckily, i don't careL362[06:17:00] <Ocawesome101> @Wattana the manual page
for TLE specifically is at https://oz-craft.pickardayune.com/man/ulos/1/tle.html
<Ocawesome101> @Wattana the manual page
for TLE specifically is at https://oz-craft.pickardayune.com/man/ulos/1/tle.htmlL363[06:17:22] <Wattana> i
opened it with `less /usr/man/1/tle`
<Wattana> i
opened it with `less /usr/man/1/tle`L364[06:17:24] <Wattana>
lol
<Wattana>
lolL365[06:17:32] <Wattana>
altho it doesnt look like this is the intended way
<Wattana>
altho it doesnt look like this is the intended wayL367[06:17:37] <Ocawesome101> that works too - though you
don't get nicely formatted output
<Ocawesome101> that works too - though you
don't get nicely formatted outputL368[06:17:48] ⇦
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L370[06:20:50] <lunar_sam>
anyways, funnily enough
<lunar_sam>
anyways, funnily enoughL371[06:21:00] <lunar_sam>
FoxFS requires blockgroups
<lunar_sam>
FoxFS requires blockgroupsL372[06:21:14] <Ocawesome101> also, fwiw, `man` works for
me with no issues on less than 2xT3.5 @Wattana
<Ocawesome101> also, fwiw, `man` works for
me with no issues on less than 2xT3.5 @WattanaL373[06:21:16] <lunar_sam>
due to how data is laid out on the drive
<lunar_sam>
due to how data is laid out on the driveL374[06:21:29] <Ocawesome101> >Wattana: i got ULOS up
and running and it's like a we…
<Ocawesome101> >Wattana: i got ULOS up
and running and it's like a we…L375[06:21:29] <Ocawesome101> glad to hear this :P
<Ocawesome101> glad to hear this :PL376[06:21:41] <lunar_sam>
basically, i guess you can call it a binary tree
<lunar_sam>
basically, i guess you can call it a binary treeL377[06:22:00] <lunar_sam>
the block groups help prevent the hard drive head from having to
move around so much
<lunar_sam>
the block groups help prevent the hard drive head from having to
move around so muchL378[06:22:14] <Ocawesome101> i just ignored that
entirely with CFS for simplicity's sake
<Ocawesome101> i just ignored that
entirely with CFS for simplicity's sakeL379[06:22:18] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL380[06:22:39] <Wattana> i
decreased the ram to a single T3.5 and it still derps out
<Wattana> i
decreased the ram to a single T3.5 and it still derps outL381[06:22:42] <lunar_sam>
foxfs is supposed to be fairly fast, thus why i put `fox` in the
name
<lunar_sam>
foxfs is supposed to be fairly fast, thus why i put `fox` in the
nameL382[06:23:04] <lunar_sam>
does OC even simulate the head moving?
<lunar_sam>
does OC even simulate the head moving?L383[06:23:09] <Ocawesome101> yes iirc
<Ocawesome101> yes iircL384[06:23:11] <Ocawesome101> at least sort of
<Ocawesome101> at least sort ofL385[06:23:25] <lunar_sam>
oh neat
<lunar_sam>
oh neatL386[06:23:31] <Ocawesome101> does `tfmt /usr/man/1/tle
--output=/sys/dev/null --wrap=80` work?
<Ocawesome101> does `tfmt /usr/man/1/tle
--output=/sys/dev/null --wrap=80` work?L387[06:23:37] <lunar_sam>
also you know what's gonna be fun?
<lunar_sam>
also you know what's gonna be fun?L388[06:23:57] <lunar_sam>
`fixfox maint dedupe`
<lunar_sam>
`fixfox maint dedupe`L389[06:24:11] <lunar_sam>
how to OOM your in-game computer with one command
<lunar_sam>
how to OOM your in-game computer with one commandL390[06:24:23] <Ocawesome101> lol
<Ocawesome101> lolL392[06:24:37] <Ocawesome101> hm, right
<Ocawesome101> hm, rightL393[06:24:52] <lunar_sam>
i could probably think of a way to make dedupe not `kill`
everything
<lunar_sam>
i could probably think of a way to make dedupe not `kill`
everythingL394[06:25:02] <Ocawesome101> change `/sys/dev/null` to
`/tmp/asdf` or something
<Ocawesome101> change `/sys/dev/null` to
`/tmp/asdf` or somethingL395[06:25:14] <lunar_sam>
but that's a problem for future me
<lunar_sam>
but that's a problem for future meL396[06:25:32] <Wattana>
huh i think i corrupted the install?
<Wattana>
huh i think i corrupted the install?L398[06:26:07] <Ocawesome101> ohhhh
<Ocawesome101> ohhhhL399[06:26:11] <Ocawesome101> right
<Ocawesome101> rightL400[06:26:20] <Wattana>
lemme try a reboot
<Wattana>
lemme try a rebootL401[06:26:22] <Ocawesome101> it got installed over
OpenOS
<Ocawesome101> it got installed over
OpenOSL402[06:26:30] <Ocawesome101> so the OpenOS utils are
still there
<Ocawesome101> so the OpenOS utils are
still thereL403[06:26:44] <Wattana>
delete time ig
<Wattana>
delete time igL404[06:26:56] <lunar_sam>
it's time
<lunar_sam>
it's timeL405[06:27:01] <Ocawesome101> or you might be able to
`upm update -f`
<Ocawesome101> or you might be able to
`upm update -f`L406[06:27:45] <lunar_sam>
oh yeah
<lunar_sam>
oh yeahL407[06:27:56] <lunar_sam>
it does do the sick head movement simulation
<lunar_sam>
it does do the sick head movement simulationL408[06:27:57] <lunar_sam>
very nice
<lunar_sam>
very niceL409[06:33:09] <Wattana>
turns out it just needs a good disk wipe
<Wattana>
turns out it just needs a good disk wipeL410[06:33:24] <Ocawesome101> yep
<Ocawesome101> yepL411[06:33:46] <Ocawesome101> i really should make the
live image download script automatically remove OpenOS
<Ocawesome101> i really should make the
live image download script automatically remove OpenOSL412[06:34:11] <Ocawesome101> or add an option to
anyway
<Ocawesome101> or add an option to
anywayL413[06:34:25] <lunar_sam>
first thing to make
<lunar_sam>
first thing to makeL414[06:34:31] <lunar_sam>
`fixfox mkfox`
<lunar_sam>
`fixfox mkfox`L415[06:34:56] <lunar_sam>
which can be linked to `mkfox` and `mkfs.fox` to run the same
thing
<lunar_sam>
which can be linked to `mkfox` and `mkfs.fox` to run the same
thingL416[06:44:15] <Wattana> i
cant seem to find docs on creating a usysd service
<Wattana> i
cant seem to find docs on creating a usysd serviceL417[06:45:22] <Wattana>
oh
<Wattana>
ohL418[06:50:31] <Ocawesome101> they're slightly more
complicated than the older Refinement services but USysD works much
better
<Ocawesome101> they're slightly more
complicated than the older Refinement services but USysD works much
betterL419[06:56:53] <Wattana>
when i go to stop my custoim usysd service it says the service is
not running, does this mean i can set up my service as a
process?
<Wattana>
when i go to stop my custoim usysd service it says the service is
not running, does this mean i can set up my service as a
process?L420[06:57:19] <Izaya> lunar_sam: uncpio
is super useful
L421[06:57:25] <Izaya> single file to
unpack an archive
L422[06:58:21] <lunar_sam>
ye
<lunar_sam>
yeL423[06:58:29] <lunar_sam>
lcpio2 is coming soon
<lunar_sam>
lcpio2 is coming soonL424[06:58:29] <lunar_sam>
ish
<lunar_sam>
ishL425[06:58:35] <Izaya> it's how I install
PsychOS on most machines honestly
L426[06:58:40] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL427[06:59:21] <Izaya> boot OpenOS
installer, download uncpio to /tmp, download PsychOS cpio to actual
drive, uncpio to the drive
L428[06:59:23] <Izaya> ez
L429[06:59:29] <lunar_sam>
ez
<lunar_sam>
ezL430[06:59:38] <lunar_sam>
lcpio is gonna be the heavyweight archive util
<lunar_sam>
lcpio is gonna be the heavyweight archive utilL431[06:59:54] <lunar_sam>
i will soon force everyone to adopt ~~txc~~ cpio! mwahahaha
<lunar_sam>
i will soon force everyone to adopt ~~txc~~ cpio! mwahahahaL432[07:00:16] <lunar_sam>
fuck now i have to do math
<lunar_sam>
fuck now i have to do mathL433[07:19:45] <Ashirg>
%sip
<Ashirg>
%sipL434[07:19:47] <MichiBot> You drink a
muddy röd potion (New!). Ashirg thinks the empty bottle is a snake
until they use "Ohmygawd" in a sentence.
L435[07:19:50] <Ocawesome101> @Wattana usysd services can
only be processes
<Ocawesome101> @Wattana usysd services can
only be processesL436[07:20:03] <Ashirg>
Ohmygawd it's a fucking snake
<Ashirg>
Ohmygawd it's a fucking snakeL437[07:20:06] <Ashirg>
Never mind
<Ashirg>
Never mindL438[07:20:20] <Wattana>
yeah i found out any program will automatically run in background
if i loop a lot
<Wattana>
yeah i found out any program will automatically run in background
if i loop a lotL439[07:21:07] <Ocawesome101> yes
<Ocawesome101> yesL440[07:21:13] <Ocawesome101> and ulos will slow down but
not stop :)
<Ocawesome101> and ulos will slow down but
not stop :)L441[07:22:06]
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pushing and pulling signals seem to be a hit and miss
<Wattana>
pushing and pulling signals seem to be a hit and missL443[07:25:57] <Wattana>
is there a reliable way for inter-process stuff like a sound
server(play audio) and a client(sending commands to server)?
<Wattana>
is there a reliable way for inter-process stuff like a sound
server(play audio) and a client(sending commands to server)?L444[07:41:07] *
Izaya gives Wattana mt-rpc
L445[07:51:02] <CompanionCube> Izaya: so
apparently you can RCE all the log4j things now...such as
minecraft!
L446[07:52:10] <Izaya> so I heard
x-x
L447[07:54:01] <CompanionCube> 1 chat
message to pwn a server and the users is certainly an
achievement
L448[07:54:23] <CompanionCube> also lol hn
says mojang only patched 1.12+?
L449[07:55:30] <SquidDev> I'm not even
sure if the patches pre-1.17 are confirmed to be working yet.
L450[07:55:39] <SquidDev> We've just
stopped all the servers for now, not worth the hassle until things
are clearer.
L451[08:03:32] <Izaya> I was expecting
"1.18 will include a fix kbai"
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L461[13:58:39] <Z0idberg>
I really don't like how I need a docker ID in order to use
docker
<Z0idberg>
I really don't like how I need a docker ID in order to use
dockerL462[13:58:53] <Z0idberg>
That's kind of invasive
<Z0idberg>
That's kind of invasiveL463[13:59:28] <Vaur>
since when do you need a docker ID to use docker ?
<Vaur>
since when do you need a docker ID to use docker ?L464[14:00:20] <Amanda> unless it's
changed, since never
L465[14:00:46] <Amanda> you need it to
upload to their registry, but you don't have to use their registry.
Github, Gitlab, and others all have support for being a
registyr
L466[14:01:03] <Z0idberg>
When howcome if I ever try to clone some docker container on any
new machine it literally stops me and says I have to login with a
docker ID to use it
<Z0idberg>
When howcome if I ever try to clone some docker container on any
new machine it literally stops me and says I have to login with a
docker ID to use itL467[14:01:39] <Amanda> never seen that
before.
L468[14:01:52] <Z0idberg>
Yeah it does it every time for me when I try to play with it. If
there's a way around it it isn't obvious enough to not have to
google it.
<Z0idberg>
Yeah it does it every time for me when I try to play with it. If
there's a way around it it isn't obvious enough to not have to
google it.L469[14:01:58] <Amanda> maybe your IP is
flagged for abuse? They started with ip-based image pull limits
recently
L470[14:02:11] <Z0idberg>
Maybe
<Z0idberg>
MaybeL471[14:02:26] <Z0idberg>
I do have a static, bridged setup
<Z0idberg>
I do have a static, bridged setupL472[14:02:57] <Z0idberg>
If they scan my IP they will definitely see abnormal things for a
home network
<Z0idberg>
If they scan my IP they will definitely see abnormal things for a
home networkL473[14:03:17] <Vaur> do
you use docker desktop ?
<Vaur> do
you use docker desktop ?L474[14:03:41] <Z0idberg>
I've used it on Windows yes, but never on Linux. I always just used
dockerd and containerd or whatever
<Z0idberg>
I've used it on Windows yes, but never on Linux. I always just used
dockerd and containerd or whateverL475[14:03:49] <Z0idberg>
as well as docker compose
<Z0idberg>
as well as docker composeL476[14:04:01] <Amanda> oh right, I forgot
about that. Docker for mac/windows is a totally different beast
than just docker on linux
L477[14:04:32] <Vaur> and
dockerd/docker compose ask you for your id ?
<Vaur> and
dockerd/docker compose ask you for your id ?L478[14:04:52] <Amanda> docker for
mac/windows is basically a propitary GUI around a linux VM and
manupulating the PATH for the client.
L479[14:05:05] <Z0idberg>
Interesting
<Z0idberg>
InterestingL480[14:05:12] <Z0idberg>
Is that why it requires hypervirt?
<Z0idberg>
Is that why it requires hypervirt?L481[14:05:18] <Amanda> yes
L482[14:05:33] <Amanda> it's literally
just managing a linux vm
L483[14:05:53] <Z0idberg>
That sounds like a double edged sword
<Z0idberg>
That sounds like a double edged swordL484[14:06:27] <Amanda> docker only
natively runs containers on linux, AFAIK
L485[14:06:35] <Amanda> it's based on
linux cgroups
L486[14:06:37] <Z0idberg>
You get more reliability because it will likely stay consistent so
that they aren't managing different codebases so much, it's still
the same system under the hood- but you expect everyone to have
virt on and WSL2 (maybe) installed
<Z0idberg>
You get more reliability because it will likely stay consistent so
that they aren't managing different codebases so much, it's still
the same system under the hood- but you expect everyone to have
virt on and WSL2 (maybe) installedL487[14:06:59] <Z0idberg>
Yeah I know there have been a few people trying to get it to work
on FreeBSD but it's not quite there.
<Z0idberg>
Yeah I know there have been a few people trying to get it to work
on FreeBSD but it's not quite there.L488[14:07:26] <Z0idberg>
Sad really because BSD uses so little ram itself that it would be a
nice candidate
<Z0idberg>
Sad really because BSD uses so little ram itself that it would be a
nice candidateL489[14:07:53] <Z0idberg>
I used to run Minecraft servers on it during beta because it only
needed like 8MB of ram to boot
<Z0idberg>
I used to run Minecraft servers on it during beta because it only
needed like 8MB of ram to bootL490[14:09:00] <Z0idberg>
We do have the jail system but that is definitely not even close to
the same thing
<Z0idberg>
We do have the jail system but that is definitely not even close to
the same thingL491[14:09:46] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL492[14:09:48] <MichiBot> Gadsbudlikins!
Forecaster! You beat Kodos's previous record of 10 hours, 55
minutes and 30 seconds (By 6 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L493[14:09:49] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 11 hours, 2 minutes and 12 seconds! Forecaster also
gained 0.00121 (0.00011 x 11) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
Position #2. Need 0.37552254 more points to pass Vaur!
L494[14:13:51] <lasagna11>
i have a question
<lasagna11>
i have a questionL495[14:13:57] <lasagna11>
why is oc stuck on 1.12
<lasagna11>
why is oc stuck on 1.12L496[14:15:12] <Amanda> There's OC2 for
1.16 but it's more a spiritual sucessor, and still very-alpha
L497[14:16:04] <Amanda> the plan was to
make a new OC for 1.14+ but payonel, the lead oc dev, got busy with
IRL in 2020, so that never happen.
L498[14:29:41] <Z0idberg>
First Sangar
<Z0idberg>
First SangarL499[14:29:48] <Z0idberg>
Now Payonel
<Z0idberg>
Now PayonelL500[14:29:56] <Z0idberg>
Why people IRL
<Z0idberg>
Why people IRLL501[14:30:19] <nil>
Amanda: do you have the repo link? lost it
<nil>
Amanda: do you have the repo link? lost itL502[14:30:47] <Amanda> https://github.com/fnuecke/oc2
L503[14:30:56] <nil>
ty
<nil>
tyL504[14:31:13] <Z0idberg>
ok WTH. Docker mounts will literally create files as the user it
ran in the docker image. There's not translating layer that makes
it the user the container was run from automatically and just
presents it to docker as if it were the user it thinks it should
be
<Z0idberg>
ok WTH. Docker mounts will literally create files as the user it
ran in the docker image. There's not translating layer that makes
it the user the container was run from automatically and just
presents it to docker as if it were the user it thinks it should
beL505[14:31:14] <Izaya> is this a more
suitably short link for here? https://shadowkat.net/tmp/Zlv6.jpg
L506[14:31:32] <Z0idberg>
so now there's a bunch of files I can't edit because they are
"owned by root"
<Z0idberg>
so now there's a bunch of files I can't edit because they are
"owned by root"L507[14:32:13] <Amanda> @Z0idberg cgroup
user mapping is newer than docker, and not as widely
supported
L508[14:32:24] <Izaya> lunar_sam: today's
crackhead idea: users and groups, but as a tree
L509[14:32:28] <Amanda> ( That is, a lot
of distros don't have it compiled in )
L510[14:32:35] <Z0idberg>
huh
<Z0idberg>
huhL511[14:32:52] <Z0idberg>
So it is a thing just not wuite there yet
<Z0idberg>
So it is a thing just not wuite there yetL512[14:42:03] <Amanda> i'm not sure
there's really been plans to map the running UID to the root UId
though, I think the direction's more gone to mapping the root UID+
all others to some other range not iused bu the host system, so
that it's not conflicting, and causing unexpected permissions
holes
L513[14:43:30] <Z0idberg>
I was just mad because I thought I could test using docker to spin
up an Elixir project and code on it but it's kind of
overcomplicated. If I did it every day it may not be so bad, but
for someone who doesn't really use docker it's kind of an
unnecessary roadblock
<Z0idberg>
I was just mad because I thought I could test using docker to spin
up an Elixir project and code on it but it's kind of
overcomplicated. If I did it every day it may not be so bad, but
for someone who doesn't really use docker it's kind of an
unnecessary roadblockL514[14:44:50] <Z0idberg>
It makes me surprised that many people bother with it at all, I'd
think a lot of people would just get frustrated with it before they
even got as far as I did.
<Z0idberg>
It makes me surprised that many people bother with it at all, I'd
think a lot of people would just get frustrated with it before they
even got as far as I did.L515[14:55:07] ⇦
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L518[15:41:10] <Forecaster> @Z0idberg when I was setting
up my new replacement webserver I tried using docket containers
instead of a straight-on-metal lamp setup, I eventually just went
with the lamp setup again
<Forecaster> @Z0idberg when I was setting
up my new replacement webserver I tried using docket containers
instead of a straight-on-metal lamp setup, I eventually just went
with the lamp setup againL519[15:41:35] <Forecaster> Docker*
<Forecaster> Docker*L520[16:01:42] <Amanda> %choose try and
find server spoons, or wait for catgirl time then just halucinate
the day away
L521[16:01:46] <MichiBot> Amanda: Hold on
tightly! "try and find server spoons" is a wild
ride!
L522[16:04:45] <Michiyo>
>Forecaster: <@135176960816054272> when I was
settin…
<Michiyo>
>Forecaster: <@135176960816054272> when I was
settin…L523[16:04:45] <Michiyo>
Yeah, I've tried the same in the past.... it's always a pain, and
stuff finds new and interesting ways to break
<Michiyo>
Yeah, I've tried the same in the past.... it's always a pain, and
stuff finds new and interesting ways to breakL524[16:11:37] ⇦
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L528[16:46:05] <Ocawesome101> @Wattana you won’t always
get a signal. I believe Cynosure provides an IPC API but I don’t
remember it. I recommend doing IPC through a library
<Ocawesome101> @Wattana you won’t always
get a signal. I believe Cynosure provides an IPC API but I don’t
remember it. I recommend doing IPC through a libraryL529[17:08:47] <Ocawesome101> alright, @Wattana, i've got
a setup for basic IPC through the `process.message` function - run
`upm update` and reboot and you should have it
<Ocawesome101> alright, @Wattana, i've got
a setup for basic IPC through the `process.message` function - run
`upm update` and reboot and you should have itL530[17:21:58] <Z0idberg>
OK!
<Z0idberg>
OK!L531[17:22:06] <Z0idberg>
car is registered again
<Z0idberg>
car is registered againL532[17:22:12] <Z0idberg>
It was cheaper than I expected
<Z0idberg>
It was cheaper than I expectedL533[17:22:53] <Amanda> That's a mildly
concerning sentence
L534[17:23:17] <Z0idberg>
whys that
<Z0idberg>
whys thatL535[17:23:44] <Amanda> in my mind it
implies you've been driving without a registration
L536[17:23:49] <Z0idberg>
LOL
<Z0idberg>
LOLL537[17:24:28] <Z0idberg>
I mean I have to drive there to register it
<Z0idberg>
I mean I have to drive there to register itL538[17:24:53] <Z0idberg>
Insurance is the important one
<Z0idberg>
Insurance is the important oneL539[17:25:02] <Z0idberg>
Registration is just tax pay
<Z0idberg>
Registration is just tax payL540[17:25:16] <Z0idberg>
If you get stopped without insurrance you're pretty much
fucked
<Z0idberg>
If you get stopped without insurrance you're pretty much
fuckedL541[17:25:25] <Z0idberg>
if you get stopped without a registration they ask you to go get it
registered
<Z0idberg>
if you get stopped without a registration they ask you to go get it
registeredL542[17:25:41] <Z0idberg>
And, if you get in an accident without insurrance you are seriously
fucked
<Z0idberg>
And, if you get in an accident without insurrance you are seriously
fuckedL543[17:25:43] <Amanda> for some reason I
thought registration was a prerequsite to insueance
L544[17:26:05] <Z0idberg>
You have to be insurred in order to register here
<Z0idberg>
You have to be insurred in order to register hereL545[17:26:09] <Z0idberg>
which is stupid and makes no sense
<Z0idberg>
which is stupid and makes no senseL546[17:26:20] <Z0idberg>
why does paying my taxes need proof of insurance.
<Z0idberg>
why does paying my taxes need proof of insurance.L547[17:26:32] <Z0idberg>
(Don't hesitate to take my money)
<Z0idberg>
(Don't hesitate to take my money)L548[17:27:56] <Z0idberg>
Now Some insurance companies will deny a claim if you aren't
registered. If you were driving to get it registered or are within
the month of expiration- meaning if it expired in say January and
you got in an accident in Feburary, then you're probably fine. That
can be argued quite easily, especially since the state won't stop
you here if it's only a month late
<Z0idberg>
Now Some insurance companies will deny a claim if you aren't
registered. If you were driving to get it registered or are within
the month of expiration- meaning if it expired in say January and
you got in an accident in Feburary, then you're probably fine. That
can be argued quite easily, especially since the state won't stop
you here if it's only a month lateL549[17:28:07] <Z0idberg>
Since it doesn't actually expire here until after the month is
up
<Z0idberg>
Since it doesn't actually expire here until after the month is
upL550[17:28:20] <Z0idberg>
Inspection is similar
<Z0idberg>
Inspection is similarL551[17:28:33] <Z0idberg>
Driving without inspection within a month or two is no big
deal
<Z0idberg>
Driving without inspection within a month or two is no big
dealL552[17:29:08] <Amanda> I wonder if github
will be blocked on the boat again
L553[17:29:11] <Z0idberg>
Especially if you got denied a sticker and all it is is like
headlights or something
<Z0idberg>
Especially if you got denied a sticker and all it is is like
headlights or somethingL554[17:29:20] <Z0idberg>
Wat?
<Z0idberg>
Wat?L555[17:29:24] <Z0idberg>
do you get wifi on boats?
<Z0idberg>
do you get wifi on boats?L556[17:29:31] <Amanda> cruise ship
L557[17:29:44] <Amanda> I have to poke my
brain later today to make sure I can get onto the boat
L558[17:29:46] <Z0idberg>
That's exciting.
<Z0idberg>
That's exciting.L559[17:30:41] <Z0idberg>
I remember taking a city to city transport bus that would block a
lot of things
<Z0idberg>
I remember taking a city to city transport bus that would block a
lot of thingsL560[17:31:04] <Z0idberg>
I ended up setting up an https SSH passthrough for the next time I
used it
<Z0idberg>
I ended up setting up an https SSH passthrough for the next time I
used itL561[17:31:19] <Z0idberg>
so all my traffic went through an SSH tunnel via an HTTPS
connection to my server
<Z0idberg>
so all my traffic went through an SSH tunnel via an HTTPS
connection to my serverL562[17:31:20] <Amanda> https ssh
passthrough? like sslh?
L563[17:31:36] <Z0idberg>
I think so. This was a decade ago
<Z0idberg>
I think so. This was a decade agoL564[17:32:04] <Amanda> I've got that set
up, but it occured to me anything that can distinguish between
https and ssh traffic to multiplex the port, can also be blocked
with DPI
L565[17:32:12] <Z0idberg>
it may have even been something like stunnel magic
<Z0idberg>
it may have even been something like stunnel magicL566[17:32:46] <Z0idberg>
yeah. DPI isn't always a big deal as long as they don't force you
to install a CA certificate
<Z0idberg>
yeah. DPI isn't always a big deal as long as they don't force you
to install a CA certificateL567[17:33:05] <Z0idberg>
if they do then you're stuck encrypting another layer so they can't
see it, if it permits it
<Z0idberg>
if they do then you're stuck encrypting another layer so they can't
see it, if it permits itL568[17:33:11] <Z0idberg>
our school used to do that shit
<Z0idberg>
our school used to do that shitL569[17:33:19] <Amanda> Then not sslh, but
stunnel with a custom ssh config ProxyCmd line
L570[17:33:35] <Amanda> I should make sure
that still works
L571[17:33:36] <Z0idberg>
sounds familiar
<Z0idberg>
sounds familiarL572[17:34:27] <Z0idberg>
It'd be kind of funny if you could somehow have plaintext HTTP and
tunnel SSL through websockets or something so that it just looked
like normal data
<Z0idberg>
It'd be kind of funny if you could somehow have plaintext HTTP and
tunnel SSL through websockets or something so that it just looked
like normal dataL573[17:34:35] <Z0idberg>
or a REST api
<Z0idberg>
or a REST apiL574[17:34:38] <Amanda> Looks like I
no-longer have my stunnel config set up
L575[17:34:42] <dequbed> Amanda:
Distinguish yes, but blocking no. sslh uses stuff like SNI and the
firewall would have to check if that hostname serves proper HTTPS
on that IP to realize it's not HTTPS
L576[17:34:45] <Z0idberg>
😦
<Z0idberg>
😦L577[17:35:14] <Amanda> dequbed:
distinguish could lead to blocking though? if the DPI detects
you're talking SSH on port 443, it can block that ip/port
combo
L578[17:35:47] <dequbed> Not sure how sslh
wraps ssh but for e.g. OpenVPN/HTTPS the only way the firewall
could know is if it breaks the encryption
L579[17:35:50] <Z0idberg>
the DPI won't see it if it's encrypted in yet another layer
<Z0idberg>
the DPI won't see it if it's encrypted in yet another layerL580[17:36:06] <Z0idberg>
it can only see so much
<Z0idberg>
it can only see so muchL581[17:36:11] <Amanda> sslh is literally
a ssh/ssl multiplexer, it looks at the initial however many bytes
and port forwards from there
L582[17:37:01] <Z0idberg>
It's too bad the modems and radios you get for starlink weren't
literally pocket-sized and that you could take them anywhere
<Z0idberg>
It's too bad the modems and radios you get for starlink weren't
literally pocket-sized and that you could take them anywhereL583[17:37:04] <dequbed> Amanda: It also
does detection based on SNI and ALPN. The former is unreasonable to
base blocks on automatically, the latter is encrypted w/ TLS
1.3
L584[17:37:08] <Z0idberg>
because then you could just bring your internet connection with you
XD
<Z0idberg>
because then you could just bring your internet connection with you
XDL585[17:37:36] <Amanda> dequbed: true, I
used to have an stunnel sni-based forward, looks like making
34tauri into a bastion broke that
L586[17:37:57] *
Amanda goes to poke her nixos configs
L587[17:38:06] <Z0idberg>
Just don't try and get into the DPI itself they may not like you
very much 😄
<Z0idberg>
Just don't try and get into the DPI itself they may not like you
very much 😄L588[17:39:05] <Z0idberg>
the DPI sonicwall system they had at our school was there for 1
month and then someone on our campus found an exploit that allowed
you to dump cookies form the admin session and use it to log into
the firewall without logging in. The police were at the dorm by the
end of the week
<Z0idberg>
the DPI sonicwall system they had at our school was there for 1
month and then someone on our campus found an exploit that allowed
you to dump cookies form the admin session and use it to log into
the firewall without logging in. The police were at the dorm by the
end of the weekL589[17:39:54] <Z0idberg>
#whydellwhy
<Z0idberg>
#whydellwhyL590[17:47:57] <Kodos>
%tonkout
<Kodos>
%tonkoutL591[17:47:58] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Kodos, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 11 hours,
2 minutes and 12 seconds this time. 3 hours, 38 minutes and 10
seconds were wasted! Missed by 7 hours, 24 minutes and 1
second!
L592[17:48:11] <Kodos>
Bah
<Kodos>
BahL593[17:55:06] <Z0idberg>
They found a zero day remote code execution exploit in log4j
<Z0idberg>
They found a zero day remote code execution exploit in log4jL595[18:12:02] <CompanionCube> nice
exploit tho
L596[18:12:30] <CompanionCube> (the
sonicwall thing)
L597[18:12:35] <Ocawesome101> quite catastrophic
really
<Ocawesome101> quite catastrophic
reallyL598[18:17:07] <Kleadron>
I wonder how long it is until someone makes a patch for
1.7.10
<Kleadron>
I wonder how long it is until someone makes a patch for
1.7.10L599[18:17:26] <Kleadron>
despite it being 7 years old
<Kleadron>
despite it being 7 years oldL600[18:28:16] <lunar_sam>
hmmm
<lunar_sam>
hmmmL601[18:35:01] <Amanda> does the patch
actually fix the log4j exploit, or does it just make it so it's not
accessible through chat.
L602[19:02:49] <Wattana>
@Ocawesome101 what do you say about writing an article about your
method for preemtive multithreading in Lua?
<Wattana>
@Ocawesome101 what do you say about writing an article about your
method for preemtive multithreading in Lua?L603[19:03:03] <Ocawesome101> i could do that
<Ocawesome101> i could do thatL604[19:03:16] <Ocawesome101> in fact i might
<Ocawesome101> in fact i mightL605[19:03:19] <Wattana> I
haven't found any info on Google about your method, so this could
be your chance to get some recognition
<Wattana> I
haven't found any info on Google about your method, so this could
be your chance to get some recognitionL606[19:16:14] <Kodos> Is
searching in discord broken for anyone else or just me
<Kodos> Is
searching in discord broken for anyone else or just meL609[19:21:18] ⇦
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L611[19:43:13] <Ocawesome101> probably uses Log4j
:P
<Ocawesome101> probably uses Log4j
:PL612[19:49:10] <Ocawesome101> holy shit apple is
apparently vulnerable to this exploit
<Ocawesome101> holy shit apple is
apparently vulnerable to this exploitL613[19:49:30] <Ocawesome101> %oclogs
<Ocawesome101> %oclogsL614[19:49:33] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/?dir=logs/%23oc
L615[19:54:45] <lunar_sam>
holy shit my sides
<lunar_sam>
holy shit my sidesL616[19:54:50] <lunar_sam>
holy shit my sides
<lunar_sam>
holy shit my sidesL617[20:26:34] <Vexatos> @Ocawesome101
source?
L618[20:26:36] <Vexatos> I need this
L619[20:27:10] <Z0idberg>
@Ocawesome101 According to @EcoBuilder13 all you need to take
control of any Minecraft server right now is to open in game chat
and type in ${jndi:ldap:net/minecraft/targetclass}
<Z0idberg>
@Ocawesome101 According to @EcoBuilder13 all you need to take
control of any Minecraft server right now is to open in game chat
and type in ${jndi:ldap:net/minecraft/targetclass}L620[20:27:14] <Z0idberg>
wtf?
<Z0idberg>
wtf?L622[20:28:21] <Vexatos> if that's true
then it's amazing
L623[20:28:42] <Ocawesome101> yeah log4j is apparently a
massive vulnerability :P
<Ocawesome101> yeah log4j is apparently a
massive vulnerability :PL624[20:28:48] <Vexatos> well no
shit
L625[20:28:52] <Vexatos> it's literally
apache core software
L626[20:29:10] <Vexatos> it should affect
any apache web server that has any sort of client data
logging
L627[20:29:24] <Amanda> Wonder if we'll
hear about another credit agency getting breached by this in a
couple months
L628[20:29:33] <Vexatos> heh
L629[20:34:29] <EcoBuilder13> >Z0idberg:
<@!563866872702042132> According to <@!39787…
<EcoBuilder13> >Z0idberg:
<@!563866872702042132> According to <@!39787…L630[20:34:29] <EcoBuilder13> You have to put in the
target class to do what you want. So it's possible to call the
method to give you op. People were even able to escape and control
things outside of the JVM.
<EcoBuilder13> You have to put in the
target class to do what you want. So it's possible to call the
method to give you op. People were even able to escape and control
things outside of the JVM.L631[21:16:41] <dequbed> Vexatos: https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1469248250670727169
Good overview including source for iCloud vuln
L632[21:16:49] <MichiBot> Fri Dec 10
10:10:54 UTC 2021 @GossiTheDog: Starting a new thread for log4j
security vulnerability and fallout.
L633[22:10:49] <Ashirg> Is
it a real zero-day or were the developers notified in
advance?
<Ashirg> Is
it a real zero-day or were the developers notified in
advance?L634[22:13:25] <Wattana>
I'm so gonna crash P2W servers with this lol
<Wattana>
I'm so gonna crash P2W servers with this lolL635[22:13:39] <Wattana>
Altho idk shit how to set it up
<Wattana>
Altho idk shit how to set it upL636[22:22:51] <ThePiGuy24> literaly just join, send a
message formatted in a certain way and boom
<ThePiGuy24> literaly just join, send a
message formatted in a certain way and boomL637[22:41:55] <Wattana>
Doesnt the exploit require an LDAP server or smth?
<Wattana>
Doesnt the exploit require an LDAP server or smth?L638[22:42:04] <lunar_sam>
yeah
<lunar_sam>
yeahL639[23:00:00] ⇦
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L640[23:13:12] <Amanda> %choose rain box
or wait
L641[23:13:12] <MichiBot> Amanda: I have
a pamphlet that says never to engage in "wait", so you
should definitely do it!
L642[23:13:21] <Amanda> idk, sounds
dangerous
L643[23:25:23] <lunar_sam> Izaya: very
good
L644[23:28:48] <Izaya> so do people need
to be able to log into the server to exploit it?
L645[23:30:07] <Vaur> just
log into a server, paste a string in chat, tada ! remote code
execution
<Vaur> just
log into a server, paste a string in chat, tada ! remote code
executionL646[23:30:17] <Izaya> okay so that's nbd
for me
L647[23:30:19] <Ocawesome101> you can send that as your
username
<Ocawesome101> you can send that as your
usernameL648[23:30:25] <Ocawesome101> and it'll still do it
<Ocawesome101> and it'll still do itL649[23:30:26] <Izaya> oh, I see
L650[23:30:34] <Ocawesome101> anything that gets logged
to the game logs is a potential risk
<Ocawesome101> anything that gets logged
to the game logs is a potential riskL651[23:30:41] <Izaya> and that'll show up
in the login as "whoever failed to authenticate"
L652[23:30:49] <Ocawesome101> yes
<Ocawesome101> yesL653[23:30:55] <Vaur>
re-opening minecraft launcher or mcc will apply patch to mitigate
this issue
<Vaur>
re-opening minecraft launcher or mcc will apply patch to mitigate
this issueL654[23:31:12] <Izaya> what's the go with
a 1.12 server?
L655[23:31:23] <Vaur>
modded ?
<Vaur>
modded ?L656[23:31:27] <Izaya> yup
L657[23:31:34] <Vaur>
there is a version of forge patched
<Vaur>
there is a version of forge patchedL658[23:31:36] <Vaur> hang
on
<Vaur> hang
onL659[23:31:43] <Vaur>
direwolf broke everything down
<Vaur>
direwolf broke everything downL661[23:32:01] <MichiBot> DireNews Ep64
*URGENT* Minecraft Vulnerability | length: 9m 40s |
Likes: 1,231 Dislikes: 3 Views: 10,801 | by direwolf20 |
Published On 10/12/2021
L662[23:32:10] <Izaya> please tell me the
tl;dr is in the description
L663[23:32:29] <Vaur> if
you use mmc you are fine
<Vaur> if
you use mmc you are fineL664[23:32:35] <Vaur> if
not patch forge
<Vaur> if
not patch forgeL665[23:32:45] <Amanda> mmc =
multimc?
L666[23:32:49] <Vaur>
yes
<Vaur>
yesL667[23:33:10] <Izaya> alright so I need
to update the server to 2857
L669[23:33:18] <MichiBot> Fri Dec 10
15:40:52 UTC 2021 @gigaherz: ATTENTION EVERYONE
L670[23:33:42] <Izaya> re: multimc, this
is in the news feed https://multimc.org/posts/log4j-remote-execution.html
L671[23:33:54] <Ocawesome101> holy cow
<Ocawesome101> holy cowL672[23:34:03] <Ocawesome101> starlight makes 1.18
actually generate chunks fast enough
<Ocawesome101> starlight makes 1.18
actually generate chunks fast enoughL673[23:48:42] <Kristopher38> i read that as
"starlink" and was starting to think you've finally
gotten a decent internet
<Kristopher38> i read that as
"starlink" and was starting to think you've finally
gotten a decent internetL674[23:55:20] <Ariri>
lmao
<Ariri>
lmao