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L4[00:03:02] <urbanbadger192> hello?
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L6[00:17:53] <ThePiGuy24> 42 seconds, and 1 minute 39 seconds respectively, not bad for heres standards ;p
L7[00:22:30] <Pineappl​e Quartz> ?
L8[00:23:16] <ThePi​Guy24> was referencing the amount of time they spent in the channel, it is very common for people to just join, send 1 message and then leave after 30 seconds or so
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L16[01:52:14] <Va​ur> %tonk
L17[01:52:15] <MichiBot> Yippee! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 2 hours, 13 minutes and 5 seconds (By 2 hours, 38 minutes and 31 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L18[01:52:16] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 4 hours, 51 minutes and 37 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00792 (0.00264 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L19[02:19:30] * Amanda collapses into a pile of floof around elfi, passes out
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L23[05:31:52] <Mirkokral> a
L24[05:31:58] <Mirkokral> hi
L25[05:32:18] <Mirkokral> im here from opencomputers on my computer
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L27[06:03:07] <Mic​hiyo> Every time I try to install JDK8 on my Server 2019 VMs.... it bluescreens with `ATTEMPTEDWRITETOREADONLYMEMORY` in ntfs.sys >_>
L28[06:03:22] <Mic​hiyo> works fine on a windows 11 VM on the same Proxmox install..
L29[06:07:18] <Izaya> unusually verbose error message for a BSOD
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L34[09:09:50] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L35[09:09:51] <MichiBot> Zoinks! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 4 hours, 51 minutes and 37 seconds (By 2 hours, 25 minutes and 59 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L36[09:09:52] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.007 tonk points! plus 0.012 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.82689255, Position #1
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L39[10:26:02] <Aio> Hello!
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L42[10:34:24] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L43[10:34:25] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 24 minutes and 33 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L44[10:34:26] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 24 minutes and 33 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00141 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.45695185 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L49[13:25:42] <Va​ur> %tonk
L50[13:25:43] <MichiBot> Fudge! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 1 hour, 24 minutes and 33 seconds (By 1 hour, 26 minutes and 44 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L51[13:25:44] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 2 hours, 51 minutes and 18 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0029 (0.00145 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
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L60[14:50:10] <NoselessVillager> finally
L61[14:50:21] <NoselessVillager> i think i got in the irc
L62[14:50:25] <NoselessVillager> is this the oc irc
L63[14:51:53] <NoselessVillager> yeah
L64[14:51:55] <SquidDev> Yes.
L65[14:51:55] <NoselessVillager> okay so
L66[14:51:59] <NoselessVillager> uh
L67[14:52:01] <NoselessVillager> i have a question
L68[14:52:11] <NoselessVillager> it's about databases
L69[14:52:34] <NoselessVillager> i'm writing an bank account system
L70[14:52:43] <NoselessVillager> and i need to store transaction tables
L71[14:52:56] <NoselessVillager> but they can get very large, so i have to store them in some sort of database
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L73[14:53:19] <NoselessVillager> however, i couldn't find anything on actual databases in oc
L74[14:53:32] <NoselessVillager> just the item databases
L75[14:53:39] <NoselessVillager> so my question is
L76[14:53:51] <NoselessVillager> how do i make a functioning database to store those tables
L77[14:54:08] <NoselessVillager> or how do i connect to an online database (for example, a repl database)
L78[14:54:44] <NoselessVillager> brb, gotta reconnect.
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L81[14:56:33] <NoselessVillager> I'm back
L82[14:57:03] <NoselessVillager> So my question is, how would i store those tables in a database?
L83[14:57:52] <SquidDev> For the transaction database, what do you actually need to query from it?
L84[14:58:12] <SquidDev> One assumes that a flat file would be good enough? You don't need any fancy indexing or anything?
L85[14:59:23] <NoselessVillager> Well, i can't store it in a file because the files might get way too big if you made much transactions
L86[14:59:34] <NoselessVillager> And on top of that, i need to encrypt the data too
L87[14:59:50] <Vampyre> raid is 12 MB, is that not big enough?
L88[15:00:53] <NoselessVillager> Well, i guess so, but how would i encrypt it?
L89[15:01:09] <Vampyre> encrypt every transaction seperately
L90[15:01:19] <Vampyre> then store it as random string
L91[15:01:22] <NoselessVillager> Also, i'd have to store a table for every single account on the system, and you can have multiple accounts as one user.
L92[15:02:05] <Vampyre> well, accounts can be loose files, which you read on demand whenever 2 users are doing a transaction
L93[15:02:42] <Vampyre> then have 1 table as user->account map in memory and encrypt that to disk when a user or account gets added
L94[15:02:47] <SquidDev> I'm a bit confused why you need encryption though TBH. If someone gets access to your computer, the banking system is stuffed with or without it.
L95[15:03:23] <SquidDev> I mean, it's not a bad thing, but feels like the least of your concerns.
L96[15:03:38] <NoselessVillager> You don't need access to the computer to get the files, because it's a whole network
L97[15:03:53] <Vampyre> euh
L98[15:04:04] <Vampyre> I have concerns ;-)
L99[15:04:31] <NoselessVillager> That's the exact problem, i need to safely store the accounts and also get the files from the server computer to either a payment terminal or someone's computer
L100[15:04:47] <Vampyre> you might want to rethink what you are doing cause this sounds like way overengineerd
L101[15:05:27] <NoselessVillager> It's a banking system, how would you do it then?
L102[15:05:32] <Vampyre> you do not have 1 central protected, encased in bedrock, main server?
L103[15:05:45] <NoselessVillager> No, but we do have OpenSecurity on the server.
L104[15:06:12] <Vampyre> well, without at least 1 root of trust, this is a bit hard
L105[15:06:20] <NoselessVillager> root of trust?
L106[15:06:24] <NoselessVillager> what do you mean by that?
L107[15:06:34] <NoselessVillager> just someone who is authorised to access the main server?
L108[15:06:41] <Vampyre> yah, the root of the thing you trust
L109[15:06:55] <Vampyre> be it a server, a root certificate, a person, an agreement between persons
L110[15:07:11] <Vampyre> and in this simple case it would be a server only you can access
L111[15:07:27] <NoselessVillager> Well there's 2 other people who would be allowed to access it
L112[15:07:33] <Vampyre> then you can build security from there using public/private key encryption
L113[15:07:55] <NoselessVillager> One is my friend, the other is the person who invited us to their HQ building to work on our projects there
L114[15:08:18] <Vampyre> well, good, then just build 1 server which the rerminals talk too
L115[15:08:23] <Vampyre> teminals*
L116[15:08:32] <Vampyre> then no need for disk encryption or anythin
L117[15:09:50] <NoselessVillager> Also, i forgot to say that the payment terminals arent just remote terminals
L118[15:10:06] <NoselessVillager> they're either tablets or a computer
L119[15:10:17] <Vampyre> yah, doesn't matter
L120[15:10:22] <Vampyre> you are the bank
L121[15:10:35] <Vampyre> your clients are connected over the internet and doing online banking
L122[15:10:38] <NoselessVillager> wait, there's no way to like, intercept data that's sent from one computer to another right?
L123[15:11:00] <Vampyre> yes, there is, therefor, network public / private encryption
L124[15:11:21] <Vampyre> that is the ssl/https part in real life when you do online banking
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L126[15:11:34] <NoselessVillager> yeah
L127[15:11:50] <Vampyre> then you need an authentication method (username/password or something more fancy)
L128[15:12:10] <NoselessVillager> debit card.
L129[15:12:12] <Vampyre> and the server then can just say yes or no when you do a transaction
L130[15:12:15] <NoselessVillager> and pin or biometric
L131[15:12:23] <Kristo​pher38> Vampyre: "biometric", since you can get the user's name from events
L132[15:12:34] <NoselessVillager> oh hey kris
L133[15:12:39] <Kristo​pher38> hey me
L134[15:12:42] <Vampyre> yeah, would be a perfect one :-)
L135[15:13:00] <Vampyre> oh, you are the same person? ;-)
L136[15:13:06] <NoselessVillager> no lmao
L137[15:13:07] <NoselessVillager> he's joking
L138[15:13:13] <Vampyre> lol
L139[15:13:25] <NoselessVillager> i know kris from a small oc minecraft server
L140[15:13:27] <NoselessVillager> so
L141[15:13:50] <Vampyre> so, have you regrasped the problem a bit?
L142[15:14:41] <Vampyre> you just basically need to do what real banks do ;-)
L143[15:15:00] <NoselessVillager> alright
L144[15:15:09] <NoselessVillager> so i'll have to encrypt whatever gets sent from server to client and viceversa, and there's no need to encrypt account files/transaction tables. right?
L145[15:15:18] <Vampyre> and if you ever want to start a global economy, look at SWIFT :-p
L146[15:15:32] <Vampyre> yup, everything on the server you trust
L147[15:15:40] <NoselessVillager> alright
L148[15:15:43] <Vampyre> everything coming from the network you distrust
L149[15:15:57] <NoselessVillager> ight
L150[15:16:00] <Vampyre> also, you distrust the content, check everything
L151[15:16:18] <Vampyre> network hacking can still be a thing as in real life ;-)
L152[15:16:32] <NoselessVillager> yes spoofing is a thing because of computronics
L153[15:17:06] <Vampyre> yup, so read up on that ublic/private thing and maybe on certificates if you want to go that route
L154[15:17:19] <NoselessVillager> sure will
L155[15:17:36] <Vampyre> that is the way to authenticate the server to the client, so the client is also sure to be talking to the real server
L156[15:17:52] <Vampyre> (server spoofing to fake transactions is also a thing)
L157[15:18:09] <NoselessVillager> but first, time to finish the account types because its still a lot of pain to finish the account library
L158[15:23:11] <NoselessVillager> bad question but can you help coding that transaction system
L159[15:23:34] <NoselessVillager> because i feel like i don't have the coding skills to do that myself
L160[15:25:24] <Vampyre> euh, no, sorry :-)
L161[15:25:30] <NoselessVillager> ight lol
L162[15:25:41] <Vampyre> if you have specific questions feel free to drop them here though
L163[15:26:06] <Vampyre> helping you out with the hard bits here and there is fine by me
L164[15:30:06] <NoselessVillager> alright
L165[15:31:59] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Inari: https://imgur.com/gallery/4pj3JgN
L166[15:43:19] <NoselessVillager> how do i convert one class to another?
L167[15:43:34] <NoselessVillager> i have an account class, which is the base class for all account types
L168[15:43:34] <SquidDev> Class?
L169[15:43:43] <NoselessVillager> yeah, i have "classes"
L170[15:43:51] <NoselessVillager> lua has the ability to emulate classes
L171[15:43:54] <NoselessVillager> using metatables
L172[15:43:56] <SquidDev> That's going to depend on whatever library you're using for OOP then.
L173[15:44:07] <NoselessVillager> i made my own "library"...
L174[15:44:21] <SquidDev> Well, then I suspect you're the only one who can answer that question :p.
L175[15:47:27] <NoselessVillager> solved
L176[15:47:56] <NoselessVillager> solution: switch to a better, more efficient OOP library
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L178[15:51:34] <lolkopolko> ls
L179[15:51:44] <lolkopolko> accident
L180[15:51:49] <lolkopolko> hi
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L182[15:52:56] <NoselessVillager> nevermind
L183[15:52:57] <NoselessVillager> not better
L184[15:53:01] <NoselessVillager> its 8 years old
L185[15:53:03] <NoselessVillager> fuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
L186[15:54:02] <ThePi​Guy24> solution: ditch OOP ;p
L187[15:54:36] <SquidDev> This, but without the ;p.
L188[15:54:44] <NoselessVillager> wait it works
L189[15:54:45] <NoselessVillager> it work
L190[15:54:48] <NoselessVillager> it works
L191[15:56:12] <NoselessVillager> also no i can't ditch oop because i'm not gonna write some overengineered system to instantiate new accounts
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L194[17:00:46] <Ken​tHDD> Hello guys,
L195[17:00:47] <Ken​tHDD> I'm using "component.geolyzer.analyze(5)" -- 5 is just the Left side
L196[17:01:08] <Ken​tHDD> And I'm trying to return only the 'name' value from the table returned by the function
L197[17:01:36] <Ken​tHDD> Is there a clever way to do it without an intermediate 'a' variable that stores the table ?
L198[17:01:54] <Forec​aster> call the name field on the function
L199[17:02:15] <Ken​tHDD> Tried that, got the entire table.
L200[17:02:28] <Ken​tHDD> Namely: "component.geolyzer.analyze(5,name)"
L201[17:02:34] <Forec​aster> that's wrong
L202[17:02:50] <Forec​aster> you just passed a variable called "name" as an argument for the function
L203[17:03:08] <Forec​aster> `analyze(5).name`
L204[17:03:36] <Ken​tHDD> I feel so dumb right now 😆
L205[17:03:43] <Ken​tHDD> Ty @Forecaster for your help!
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L210[17:14:41] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L211[17:14:42] <MichiBot> Willikers! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 51 minutes and 18 seconds (By 57 minutes and 40 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L212[17:14:43] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.83679255, Position #1
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L217[17:56:33] <Inari> Amanda: https://imgur.com/FbZnjUS you cats and your weird acrobatics
L218[17:57:11] <Ar​iri> pro gamer move
L219[18:04:49] <ThePi​Guy24> boingus
L220[18:29:17] <Izaya> alright nerds stuff's about to get bumpy
L221[18:29:23] <Izaya> finally replacing the WRT54GL with something from this century
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L223[18:48:21] <bad at​ vijya> some moron took out my power by chopping down a tree
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L225[18:48:35] <Corded> * <Mic​hiyo> hides her chainsaw
L226[18:49:54] <Forec​aster> maybe you should have considered that before using green energy
L227[18:50:31] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L228[18:50:33] <MichiBot> Eureka! Forec​aster! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 35 minutes and 50 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L229[18:50:34] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 1 hour, 35 minutes and 50 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.0016 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.46525185 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L231[20:25:42] <Amanda> Inari: what's wrong? It's a perfect form
L232[20:25:48] <Inari> Sur esure
L233[20:25:50] <Inari> %pet Amanda
L234[20:25:50] <MichiBot> Inari is brushing Amanda with A voodoo doll of jackie. Amanda regains 1d4 => 4 hit points! Right as the voodoo doll of jackie was at it's prime, reality caught up with it.
L235[20:26:12] * Amanda thanks jackie for the pettings
L236[20:26:40] <Inari> rude
L237[20:26:50] <bad at​ vijya> holy shit
L238[20:27:02] <Vampyre> the shit made up by god
L239[20:27:11] <bad at​ vijya> john mcafee is dead
L240[20:27:14] <Amanda> also was it you jackie or someone else who was lamenting non-+x in zips? Cause some linux progrms I use are packaged as .zip and have a +x after extraction, so there's got to be /some/ way to do that
L241[20:28:32] <Amanda> Not sure if that's something that unix unzip is doing though, but I can point you at the program if you'd like
L242[20:28:39] <Vampyre> gnu unzip can restore extended attributes and permissions iirc
L243[20:29:02] <Vampyre> but you need gnu zip to create the zip
L244[20:29:21] <Amanda> ah
L245[20:29:27] <Amanda> so it's non-standard extension
L246[20:40:48] <Amanda> %choose halucinate more or code
L247[20:40:49] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Once you get a taste of "code" you can't stop.
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L249[20:44:27] <Izaya> forgot to re-join >.>
L250[20:44:43] <Izaya> Skye: pls confirm XMPP is still working
L251[20:47:51] <Inari> Will XM your PP
L252[21:10:09] <Amanda> you should take him out on a date first,ina
L253[21:10:20] <Amanda> Inari*
L254[21:12:34] <Va​ur> %tonk
L255[21:12:35] <MichiBot> Wah! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 1 hour, 35 minutes and 50 seconds (By 46 minutes and 12 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L256[21:12:36] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 2 hours, 22 minutes and 3 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00154 (0.00077 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L257[21:14:44] <Izaya> weirdly, my e-reader won't connect to the new network
L258[21:15:58] <Izaya> oh, because I'm an idiot
L259[21:15:59] <Izaya> that'll do it
L260[21:16:45] <Ariri> %inari
L261[21:16:46] <MichiBot> http://i.imgur.com/XoYgHyi.gif
L262[21:24:08] ⇨ Joins: bauen1 (~bauen1@aftr-88-217-180-48.dynamic.mnet-online.de)
L263[21:25:01] <Izaya> I gave my e-reader a static DHCP lease so it won't wander across the address range
L264[21:27:26] <dequbed> Amanda: Everything is a nonstandard extension with zip :P
L265[21:35:11] ⇦ Quits: flappy (~flappy@88-113-152-7.elisa-laajakaista.fi) (Ping timeout: 192 seconds)
L266[22:37:29] <Kristo​pher38> >bad at​ vijya: john mcafee is dead
L267[22:37:30] <Kristo​pher38> is he though?
L268[22:38:04] <Izaya> I mean, of all the people liable to fake their own death I can think of, he's pretty high on the list.
L269[22:40:00] ⇦ Quits: Inari (~Pinkishu@p508ef2be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)
L270[22:43:34] <Kristo​pher38> oh he is, fuck me
L271[22:44:02] <Izaya> https://static.banky.club/shitposter.club/02c95933589501ac9ac13bc986ca939d00242ea99d32bc335cdb7e8138494ed2.jpg
L272[22:44:34] <Kristo​pher38> so what, you're suggesting that he bribed the prison officials?
L273[22:44:43] <Kristo​pher38> or something
L274[22:44:46] <Izaya> no idea
L275[22:45:14] <Izaya> was more of a general statement
L276[22:48:08] <E​el> For the raid, I had an idea
L277[22:48:29] <E​el> if 3 full raids are connected to an empty raid, they work like hard rives
L278[22:48:43] <E​el> so 3 raids all with 3 t3 drives
L279[22:49:00] <E​el> give you 36mb
L280[22:49:17] <E​el> Also, you can combine this, up to one gig
L281[22:49:32] <Kristo​pher38> >E​el: if 3 full raids are connected to an empty rai…
L282[22:49:32] <Kristo​pher38> what are you talking about
L283[22:49:43] <E​el> the raid drive
L284[22:50:15] <Kristo​pher38> no, i mean how does connecting 3 raids to an empty raid does anything
L285[22:50:28] <Kristo​pher38> hard drives have to be in the raid block
L286[22:50:32] <E​el> I know.
L287[22:50:55] <E​el> im saying, my usggestion is that we can USE raids as hard drvies in other raids
L288[22:51:00] <E​el> to basically stack raids
L289[22:51:40] <Kristo​pher38> pretty sure it doesn't work like that
L290[22:52:06] <E​el> i know it doesnt
L291[22:52:11] <E​el> it is a DUGGESTION
L292[22:52:19] <E​el> ...suggestion*
L293[22:53:19] <Kristo​pher38> wording didn't imply so
L294[22:53:38] <E​el> >E​el: For the raid, I had an idea
L295[22:53:38] <E​el> idea=suggestion
L296[22:53:40] <Kristo​pher38> anyway, you can go post your suggestion on github, maybe it'll get approved, maybe not
L297[22:53:52] <E​el> i dont have a github account
L298[22:54:42] <Kristo​pher38> >E​el: idea=suggestion
L299[22:54:42] <Kristo​pher38> yes, in fact I speak english too
L300[22:54:57] <E​el> ~~was gonna say~~
L301[22:55:04] <Kristo​pher38> this discussion won't go anywhere so whatever
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L303[23:28:08] <M​GR> Idea != suggestion
L304[23:46:11] <ThePi​Guy24> idea = something you have thought up
L305[23:46:12] <ThePi​Guy24> suggestion = wanting someone else to do it
L306[23:46:39] <Amanda> They *can* be synonyms, but much liek everything else in English, that doesn't mean they're interchangable
L307[23:46:58] <E​el> YEah, ok, im tired.
L308[23:47:30] <Amanda> See also: an essay on "Humungous Sibling surveillance"
L309[23:50:42] ⇦ Quits: ThePiGuy24 (~ThePiGuy2@host-92-17-123-250.as13285.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
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