L1[00:00:15] 
<Kristopher38> you did?
<Kristopher38> you did?L2[00:00:58] <dequbed> Maybe?
>.>
L3[00:01:22] <dequbed> Unrelated but Ever
been clobbered by a robot? :P
L4[00:03:50] <bad at
vijya> this is the greatest achievement name i've ever seen
https://tinyurl.com/yzy4vnm9
<bad at
vijya> this is the greatest achievement name i've ever seen
https://tinyurl.com/yzy4vnm9L5[00:03:51] <Kristopher38> not yet
<Kristopher38> not yetL6[00:07:13] <dequbed> Hey @Saghetti when's
your birthday? <.<
L7[00:07:24] <Amanda> dequbed: no.
L8[00:07:29] <Amanda> %bap dequbed
L9[00:07:31] <MichiBot> Amanda baps dequbed
with uber-metacarpal!
L10[00:07:35] <dequbed> But I wanna
knoooow!
L11[00:07:54] <Kristopher38> @Saghetti he develops
things
<Kristopher38> @Saghetti he develops
thingsL12[00:08:12] <i_develop_things> i do, in fact, download
things
<i_develop_things> i do, in fact, download
thingsL13[00:08:15] <i_develop_things> ....develop
<i_develop_things> ....developL14[00:08:21] <i_develop_things> sorry, am in vc with a
friend
<i_develop_things> sorry, am in vc with a
friendL15[00:08:27] <dequbed> Ew
L16[00:08:27] <Saghetti>
mind blown
<Saghetti>
mind blownL17[00:10:51] <Kristopher38> imagine talking with people
with your voice
<Kristopher38> imagine talking with people
with your voiceL18[00:11:05] <dequbed> no I mean ew
friends.
L19[00:12:03] <Amanda> %remindme 12h maybe
setup a .env to make rclone more usable in the anime folder?
L20[00:12:04] <MichiBot> I'll tell you
"maybe setup a .env to make rclone more usable in the anime
folder?" in 12h at 04/15/2021 12:12:03 PM
L21[00:15:27] <Amanda> %choose download the
second season that apparently aired at some point or wait and see
how I like the first season
L22[00:15:27] <MichiBot> Amanda: I saw
that "wait and see how I like the first season" is the
best choice in a vision
L23[00:15:54] <Amanda> probably for the
best. Getting awfully close to "Mail this external drive to
co-admin for shucking and loading into his NAS"
L24[00:16:11] <Amanda> `/dev/sdb1 3.6T 2.9T
720G 81% /mnt/anime`
L25[00:17:15] *
Amanda puts her laptop to sleep, curls up around Elfi and tries to
ignore her extensisential crisis with japanese
cartoons
L26[00:17:45] *
dequbed headpatpats Amanda
L27[00:20:31] <Kristopher38> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745013953939112117/831171317159821352/video0-366.mp4
<Kristopher38> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745013953939112117/831171317159821352/video0-366.mp4L28[00:27:44] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 I
can't exactly give you a writeup right now for reasons but if you
poke me in like 3-6 months about moonmooncrypt I can take you
through what we did where and why to speed up everything as much as
possible
L29[00:28:52] <Kristopher38> Oooh definitely can't miss
that storytime
<Kristopher38> Oooh definitely can't miss
that storytimeL30[00:29:06] <Kristopher38> I'll unironically put this
into my calendar
<Kristopher38> I'll unironically put this
into my calendarL31[00:29:17] <dequbed> You'll pay for the
drinks :P
L32[00:30:23] <Kristopher38> Sure
<Kristopher38> SureL33[00:37:00] ⇨
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L34[00:37:02] <grantlmul> i return
L35[00:37:08] <dequbed> o no
L36[00:39:15] <grantlmul> o ye
L37[00:39:32] <grantlmul> still easing into
weechat
L38[00:40:47] <dequbed> grantlmul: Can I
offer you a song in these trying time? https://youtu.be/KwcLMF5e5-4
L39[00:40:48] <MichiBot> Linkin Park -
Numb (Violet Orlandi cover) | length: 3m 49s | Likes:
150,895 Dislikes: 5,708 Views: 6,369,790 | by Violet
Orlandi | Published On 11/11/2018
L40[00:43:29] <grantlmul> funny i was just
listening to that smashed together with replay
L41[00:43:39] <grantlmul> https://soundcloud.com/jacks3rdaccount/when-shawty-becomes-numb
L42[00:44:49] <dequbed> Do listen to Violet
Orlandi's version though. She has a wonderful voice.
L43[00:45:04] <grantlmul> true
L44[01:01:46] <CompanionCube> https://community.synology.com/enu/forum/1/post/142519
don't use synoloegy, but wow that update
L45[01:03:16] <grantlmul> they removed
btrfs support when people used it?
L46[01:21:15] <grantlmul> gulping down a
hot drink is *not* a good idea
L47[01:21:54] <grantlmul> if organs had
feelings my throat would be pissed
L48[01:27:19] <Amanda> CompanionCube:
they're also the ones that are making moves to have
"verified" drives, likely to resell at a markup and only
support them, aren't they?
L49[01:27:36] <Amanda> (I forget if it was
you or co-admin that linked that at me)
L50[01:28:47] <Kristopher38> CompanionCube: wow
<Kristopher38> CompanionCube: wowL51[01:55:34] <CompanionCube> Amanda:
probably the co-admin
L52[01:56:20] <Amanda> CompanionCube: I
can't find it in the history, but I know I talked about it with
him, so vOv
L53[02:07:25] <Corded>
<Saphire> chirps
<Corded>
<Saphire> chirpsL54[02:07:40] <Saphire> ...I keep
forgetting I did that
L55[02:07:50] <dequbed> Saphire no
<.<
L56[02:08:26] *
Saphire giggles
L57[02:08:51] <Saphire> SAPHIRE YES
L58[02:09:06] <dequbed> %pet Saphire
L59[02:09:06] <MichiBot> dequbed flails at
nothingness...
L60[02:09:14] <dequbed> I ... what
L61[02:09:28] *
Saphire doesn't exist smugly
L62[02:17:39] <SleepingFoxes> test
L63[02:17:45] <lightining1313> hi me
<lightining1313> hi meL64[02:17:56] <Kitoko> hi
you/me
<Kitoko> hi
you/meL65[02:17:58] <lightining1313> I can talk to my
self
<lightining1313> I can talk to my
selfL66[02:18:03] <SleepingFoxes> yes you
can
L67[02:18:10] <SleepingFoxes> good job
me
L68[02:18:59] <Kitoko> we
are having issues with keyboard.isKeyDown not functioning properly,
anyone know a cause? it keeps returning nil despite going through
the documentation
<Kitoko> we
are having issues with keyboard.isKeyDown not functioning properly,
anyone know a cause? it keeps returning nil despite going through
the documentationL70[02:26:09] <CompanionCube> %%tpnl
L71[02:26:11] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L72[02:26:12] <MichiBot> Zounderkite!
CompanionCube! You beat Vaur's previous record of <0 (By 2
hours, 53 minutes and 11 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L73[02:26:13] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's
new record is 2 hours, 53 minutes and 11 seconds! CompanionCube
also gained 0.00289 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position
#1.
L74[02:27:51] <CompanionCube> https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenComputers/comments/5ydy7c/keyboardiskeydownkeyboardkeysspace_returning_nil/
suggests a sleep worked for them
L75[02:38:26] <Bob> ^,
you guys made a busy loop
<Bob> ^,
you guys made a busy loopL76[02:38:39] <Bob> the
computer doesnt have an opportunity to pump events if its
bisy
<Bob> the
computer doesnt have an opportunity to pump events if its
bisyL77[02:38:43] <Bob> the
computer doesnt have an opportunity to pump events if its busy
[Edited]
<Bob> the
computer doesnt have an opportunity to pump events if its busy
[Edited]L78[02:38:56] <Bob> and
`cond == false` < `not cond`
<Bob> and
`cond == false` < `not cond`L79[02:39:58] <dequbed> (!!cond) + 1 == 1
>> everything
L80[02:40:26] <Bob> duh,
just do pointer arithmetic with booleans
<Bob> duh,
just do pointer arithmetic with booleansL81[02:40:48] <dequbed> What's this boolean
you speak of? In this house we only use int!
L82[02:48:17] *
Amanda dereferences dequbed
L83[02:57:06] <Saphire> So would that be
dedequbed
L84[02:57:13] <Saphire> https://qntm.org/mmacevedo also nice, and
creepy
L85[02:57:38] <dequbed> Amanda: Fool! You
activated my trap card!
L86[02:57:55] *
dequbed runs a privesc exploit on Amanda
L87[02:58:14] *
Amanda crashes, taking out half the channel with her
L88[03:28:36] <Amanda> Saphire: thanks, I
hate it
L89[03:29:10] <Amanda> Good thing you're
all just .vbs scripts in my universe stimulation
L90[03:36:31] <CompanionCube> .vbs?
ewewew
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L93[03:54:09] *
Amanda tucks in around Elfi again, quietly changes the message on
the nightcap she earlier beamed onto Elfi, zzzmews
L94[03:54:14] <Amanda> Night nerds
L95[04:10:14] * Elfi
squeak
L96[04:10:49] * Elfi
is too sleepy to look at the other nightcap and zzzzs
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L101[05:32:03] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL102[05:32:05] <MichiBot> Zoinks!
Forecaster! You beat CompanionCube's previous record of 2 hours,
53 minutes and 11 seconds (By 12 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L103[05:32:06] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 3 hours, 5 minutes and 53 seconds! Forecaster also gained
0.00063 (0.00021 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position
#3. Need 0.23465155 more points to pass Vaur!
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L109[07:01:25] <Forecaster> A useful guide to naming
animals
<Forecaster> A useful guide to naming
animalsL110[07:08:10]
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L111[07:08:18] <zhou2008> Hello?
L112[07:09:09] <nil>
hi
<nil>
hiL113[07:09:38] <nil>
Forecaster: but its in german
<nil>
Forecaster: but its in germanL114[07:10:10] <zhou2008>
怎么写一个OC的扩展模组？/How to write an OpenComputers addon? (my english is
very bad,sorry)
L115[07:15:26] <Mx.
Eldritch> bees?
<Mx.
Eldritch> bees?L116[07:15:52] <zhou2008> ?
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L118[07:33:08] <ThePiGuy24> > "my english is very
bad"
<ThePiGuy24> > "my english is very
bad"L119[07:33:08] <ThePiGuy24> > writes in perfect
english
<ThePiGuy24> > writes in perfect
englishL120[07:35:00] <Izaya> no they meant their
english is bad
L121[07:35:03] <Izaya> like, the english
they speak is bad
L122[07:35:05] <Izaya> the english
language
L123[07:36:09] <ThePiGuy24> all english is bad
<ThePiGuy24> all english is badL124[07:36:47] <ThePiGuy24> that reminds me that i should
continue learning german as it is a far superior language
<ThePiGuy24> that reminds me that i should
continue learning german as it is a far superior languageL125[07:37:10] <Izaya> all languages are
cursed in different ways
L126[07:50:59] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL127[07:51:00] <MichiBot> You drink a
concentrated aether potion (New!). The bottle splits into two
revealing a smaller Sweet Purple potion.
L128[07:55:06] <Ariri>
english is easily the most cursed
<Ariri>
english is easily the most cursedL129[07:55:07] <Ariri> I
should know, I’m a pro
<Ariri> I
should know, I’m a proL130[07:55:34] <Ariri> Not
an english pro, a pro in cursed knowledge
<Ariri> Not
an english pro, a pro in cursed knowledgeL131[08:06:52] <nil>
%sip
<nil>
%sipL132[08:06:53] <MichiBot> You drink a
seeping ocean potion (New!). nil now has a mullet until they have
some bacon.
L133[08:39:06] <Forecaster> %tonkout
<Forecaster> %tonkoutL134[08:39:08] <MichiBot> Zoinks!
Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 5
minutes and 53 seconds (By 1 minute and 9 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L135[08:39:09] <MichiBot> Forecaster has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points!
plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
0.57128085, Position #3 Need 0.22765155 more points to pass
Vaur!
L136[09:22:42] <ThePiGuy24> what is it with DEs refusing
to launch if there is no disk space available?
<ThePiGuy24> what is it with DEs refusing
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L138[09:47:43] <Benedani>
>ThePiGuy24: what is it with DEs refusing to launch if…
<Benedani>
>ThePiGuy24: what is it with DEs refusing to launch if…L139[09:47:43] <Benedani>
they save things to the disk
<Benedani>
they save things to the diskL140[09:48:06] <Benedani>
if it fails, crash
<Benedani>
if it fails, crashL141[09:49:23] <Elfi> Caching to disk is a
thing usually
L142[09:50:13] <ThePiGuy24> yeah but cant it just behave
like normal software and no
<ThePiGuy24> yeah but cant it just behave
like normal software and noL143[09:50:16] <ThePiGuy24> yeah but cant it just behave
like normal software and *not* [Edited]
<ThePiGuy24> yeah but cant it just behave
like normal software and *not* [Edited]L144[09:50:42] <ThePiGuy24> i have ram for a reason
<ThePiGuy24> i have ram for a reasonL145[09:51:09] <Elfi> Considering it
caches those things for frequent reuse
L146[09:51:18] <Elfi> No?
L147[09:51:55] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL148[09:51:56] <MichiBot> Yippee! Vaur!
You beat Forecaster's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 12
minutes and 48 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L149[09:51:57] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 1 hour, 12 minutes and 48 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00121 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need
0.0084186 more points to pass CompanionCube!
L150[09:52:18] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL151[09:52:18] <MichiBot> You drink a
forked octiron potion (New!). Vaur feels slightly slower.
L152[09:52:20] <ThePiGuy24> hmm i wonder what the purpose
of memory is then
<ThePiGuy24> hmm i wonder what the purpose
of memory is thenL153[09:52:39] <ThePiGuy24> oh yeah forgot, for web
browsers to fill with their leaky dom shit
<ThePiGuy24> oh yeah forgot, for web
browsers to fill with their leaky dom shitL154[09:52:42] <Elfi> Frequent reuse
between sessions, I should clarify
L155[09:53:17] <Elfi> You can always run a
basic WM without all the bells and whistles if it's a problem
L156[09:53:19] <ThePiGuy24> how fucking hard would it be,
to add a check to see if it the disk is full, dont cache
things
<ThePiGuy24> how fucking hard would it be,
to add a check to see if it the disk is full, dont cache
thingsL157[09:53:40] <Vaur> ram
is faster and help with the proper running of your program, caching
into the disk insure you dont lose work you haven't saved
<Vaur> ram
is faster and help with the proper running of your program, caching
into the disk insure you dont lose work you haven't savedL158[09:53:49] <Elfi> Considering it also
needs to store other persistent data from your session...
L159[09:54:02] <Elfi> Pretty irrelevant to
the issue!
L160[09:54:16] <ThePiGuy24> like what exactly?
<ThePiGuy24> like what exactly?L161[09:55:13] <Vaur> what
project you have open, history, configuration, etc ...
<Vaur> what
project you have open, history, configuration, etc ...L162[09:55:14] <Elfi> Configuration
changes, window dimensions, sessions saved after closing...
L163[09:55:16] <ThePiGuy24> what data is so important to
be cached, that it requires that it cannot not be cached
<ThePiGuy24> what data is so important to
be cached, that it requires that it cannot not be cachedL164[09:55:27] <Vaur>
besides how are you going to save your work if you dont have space
xD
<Vaur>
besides how are you going to save your work if you dont have space
xDL165[09:55:44] <ThePiGuy24> how am i gonna free disk
space if i cant fucking do anything
<ThePiGuy24> how am i gonna free disk
space if i cant fucking do anythingL166[09:55:52] <Elfi> How did you let it
get to be this point anyway
L167[09:55:53] <Vaur>
delete files
<Vaur>
delete filesL168[09:56:11] <Vaur>
explorer should be still able to open
<Vaur>
explorer should be still able to openL169[09:56:22] <ThePiGuy24> oh yeah lemme just open my
file manager... nevermind, i cant because my fucking DE and WM isnt
active
<ThePiGuy24> oh yeah lemme just open my
file manager... nevermind, i cant because my fucking DE and WM isnt
activeL170[09:56:25] <Elfi> Vaur, this is linux
since distinct DEs
L171[09:56:40] <Vaur>
errr
<Vaur>
errrL172[09:56:47] <ThePiGuy24> every fucking time i have to
go into a tty to clean up some files
<ThePiGuy24> every fucking time i have to
go into a tty to clean up some filesL173[09:56:51] <Vaur> and
cant open a bash ?
<Vaur> and
cant open a bash ?L174[09:57:23] <Vaur> yeah
do that and try to avoid getting to the point where you need the
slight MB
<Vaur> yeah
do that and try to avoid getting to the point where you need the
slight MBL175[10:01:11] <ThePiGuy24> also regarding the question
as to how i run out of disk space, why does that matter to you, why
is that important? the only question relevant here is why is this
such a major issue that could be fixed so easily
<ThePiGuy24> also regarding the question
as to how i run out of disk space, why does that matter to you, why
is that important? the only question relevant here is why is this
such a major issue that could be fixed so easilyL176[10:01:47] <Elfi> It's the symptom of
a larger issue, and you're not really getting the necessity of
either
L177[10:03:03] <Elfi> If you want a
simpler experience, run a bare WM.
L178[10:03:14] <ThePiGuy24> that isnt a solution
<ThePiGuy24> that isnt a solutionL179[10:03:19] <nil> I
like awesomewm
<nil> I
like awesomewmL180[10:03:52] <ThePiGuy24> thats like saying, oh, your
car has an issue that only occurs some of the time and could be
fixed easily with very minor downsides, well, might as well get a
new car
<ThePiGuy24> thats like saying, oh, your
car has an issue that only occurs some of the time and could be
fixed easily with very minor downsides, well, might as well get a
new carL181[10:04:13] <Elfi> Again, you are not
getting the necessity of it
L182[10:04:29] <Elfi> But we already
explained why and I'm done talking to a brick wall
L183[10:04:29] <ThePiGuy24> you explain it then
<ThePiGuy24> you explain it thenL184[10:05:04] <ThePiGuy24> why is it so important, that
it requires that it cause it not to function whatsoever in certain
circumstances
<ThePiGuy24> why is it so important, that
it requires that it cause it not to function whatsoever in certain
circumstancesL185[10:19:02]
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L186[10:32:03] <Elder> is
there any way to send signal after 400 blocks?
<Elder> is
there any way to send signal after 400 blocks?L187[10:32:11] <Elder>
except linked cards
<Elder>
except linked cardsL188[10:35:48] <Izaya> have it repeated
somehow
L189[10:36:19] <MGR>
Cables I think can carry signals longer than 400 blocks
<MGR>
Cables I think can carry signals longer than 400 blocksL190[10:57:44]
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L196[12:12:04] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER:
maybe setup a .env to make rclone more usable in the anime
folder?
L197[13:25:42] <Amanda> @ThePiGuy24 a
not-insignificant amount of stuff goes over unix sockets, I don't
know if that would be effected by a full disk, but it's a
possibility
L198[13:26:41] <Amanda> DBus, X11, GPG/SSH
Key handling, off thetop of my head
L199[13:32:49] <ThePiGuy24> the x server seems to work
fine
<ThePiGuy24> the x server seems to work
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L201[13:51:13] <Kitoko> me
and my friend want to transfer lua scripts across different worlds,
what is a way to extract lua scripts from opencomputers so we can
use them later?
<Kitoko> me
and my friend want to transfer lua scripts across different worlds,
what is a way to extract lua scripts from opencomputers so we can
use them later?L202[13:51:23] <SleepingFoxes> good
question
L203[13:52:14] <lightining1313> can we move them from the
game to our desktops or move a file in the server files to a new
server?
<lightining1313> can we move them from the
game to our desktops or move a file in the server files to a new
server?L204[13:52:39] <Amanda> They're in the
saves directory, or you can use `pastebin put` with a internet card
if you're playing on a sever you don't have control over
L205[13:52:43] <lightining1313> >Kitoko: me and my
friend want to transfer lua scripts a…
<lightining1313> >Kitoko: me and my
friend want to transfer lua scripts a…L206[13:52:43] <lightining1313> can we move them from the
game to our desktops or move a file in the server files to a new
server?
<lightining1313> can we move them from the
game to our desktops or move a file in the server files to a new
server?L207[13:53:23] <lightining1313> i am the one running the
server so I have access
<lightining1313> i am the one running the
server so I have accessL208[13:53:43] <Amanda> They'll be under
`world/opencomputers/<disk-uuid>/` then
L209[13:53:44] <Kitoko>
and i am the guy who likes to make scripts and take them along with
me
<Kitoko>
and i am the guy who likes to make scripts and take them along with
meL210[13:54:25] <Amanda> note that editing
these files with an editor is possible, but you should disable the
cacheing if you plan to do that regularly
L211[13:54:33] <Amanda> s/an editor/an
external editor/
L212[13:54:33] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
note that editing these files with an external editor is possible,
but you should disable the cacheing if you plan to do that
regularly
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L214[14:19:22] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 no,
actually not. It's like saying oh my tires wear down quickly I want
harder tires that wear down slower when in reality you have a
broken tie rod and are pushing your tires down the road sideways.
Like Elfi said you should probably figure out how you can not run
at super high resident nonvolatile storage because that will break
things in very unexpected ways.
L215[14:21:01] <ThePiGuy24> ah yes, solving the issue by
avoidng the what causes it, how reasonable
<ThePiGuy24> ah yes, solving the issue by
avoidng the what causes it, how reasonableL216[14:21:08] <dequbed> ....
L217[14:21:15] <dequbed> That is actually
very sensible, yes.
L218[14:22:04] <Elfi> I was hoping a few
hours might take the bitterness out of them, but wow, guess
not
L219[14:22:51] <ThePiGuy24> oh im sorry that software
that should be able to work perfectly fine without caching
doesnt
<ThePiGuy24> oh im sorry that software
that should be able to work perfectly fine without caching
doesntL220[14:23:38] <Elfi> Piguy, do you
realize most things in Linux have to read configs off disk because
IPCs are barely standardized?
L221[14:24:00] <ThePiGuy24> reading != writing
<ThePiGuy24> reading != writingL222[14:24:23] <Elfi> Imagine what happens
if it can't write them and expects things to be different when read
from
L223[14:24:30] <Elfi> Holy shit use your
brain
L224[14:25:06] <ThePiGuy24> im getting called stupid for
having a problem that shouldnt even exist...
<ThePiGuy24> im getting called stupid for
having a problem that shouldnt even exist...L225[14:25:57] <Elfi> You're not dealing
with a broken dashboard clock, you're weighing the car down hard
enough that the wheels are being pushed up against their
wells
L226[14:26:56] <ThePiGuy24> well explain this then, how
come it can work fine without a writable medium, eg, in a live boot
scenario from a DVD?
<ThePiGuy24> well explain this then, how
come it can work fine without a writable medium, eg, in a live boot
scenario from a DVD?L227[14:27:21] <Elfi> Because it's running
off a RAM disk, one that you never configured yourself, next
question.
L228[14:27:22] <dequbed> Because those FS
are actually writeable. Just volatile.
L229[14:27:35] <Skye> @ThePiGuy24,
ramdisks I think?
L230[14:27:47] <Benedani>
indeed, it's loaded to RAM
<Benedani>
indeed, it's loaded to RAML231[14:27:59] <ThePiGuy24> then why cant we use that
here, and bodge a fix to a problem that shouldnt exist?
<ThePiGuy24> then why cant we use that
here, and bodge a fix to a problem that shouldnt exist?L232[14:28:00] <dequbed> Called SquashFS
the whole thing
L233[14:28:07] <dequbed> Well you
could
L234[14:28:08] <dequbed> Have fun
L235[14:28:09] <Elfi> I don't know, why
aren't you?
L236[14:28:10] <i_develop_things> yes livedisks overlay
the tmpfs (RAM-based, usually) on the rootfs (a squashfs
image)
<i_develop_things> yes livedisks overlay
the tmpfs (RAM-based, usually) on the rootfs (a squashfs
image)L237[14:28:14] <Elfi> You're the one who
set it up
L238[14:28:16] <Benedani>
because ramdisks weren't set up in your case
<Benedani>
because ramdisks weren't set up in your caseL239[14:28:43] <Skye> how bad an idea is
it to put /tmp on a ramdisk
L240[14:28:43] <Skye> lol
L241[14:28:51] <dequbed> tmp IS a
ramdisk
L242[14:28:54] <Benedani>
isn't it already
<Benedani>
isn't it alreadyL243[14:29:00] <ThePiGuy24> because Elfi, usually when i
use software, i expect it to work in most cases, and not to break
on a common scenario such as not having any disk space
<ThePiGuy24> because Elfi, usually when i
use software, i expect it to work in most cases, and not to break
on a common scenario such as not having any disk spaceL244[14:29:07] <Izaya> (usually,
anyway)
L245[14:29:11] <Benedani>
how is not having any disk space a common scenario
<Benedani>
how is not having any disk space a common scenarioL246[14:29:13] <Elfi> That's... not
common
L247[14:29:21] <i_develop_things> i would just like to
point out that i have only ever really run out of disk space once
or twice
<i_develop_things> i would just like to
point out that i have only ever really run out of disk space once
or twiceL248[14:29:31] <Elfi> You're breaking your
own shit, don't come to us complaining about it
L249[14:29:32] <Skye> I am constantly on
the verge of running out of disk space
L250[14:29:38] <ThePiGuy24> yeah, well welcome to the
lack of money lifestyle
<ThePiGuy24> yeah, well welcome to the
lack of money lifestyleL251[14:29:56] <Elfi> What are you doing,
running a daily driver on a 6GB drive from the 90s?
L252[14:29:59] <Benedani>
?? you can easily get a 1tb hdd no problem
<Benedani>
?? you can easily get a 1tb hdd no problemL253[14:30:13] <i_develop_things> i literally ran linux
off a laptop with 16GB of storage for a year without running out of
storage very seriously
<i_develop_things> i literally ran linux
off a laptop with 16GB of storage for a year without running out of
storage very seriouslyL254[14:30:14] <ThePiGuy24> and why should i?
<ThePiGuy24> and why should i?L255[14:30:28] <i_develop_things> never had less than
maybe 300MB free
<i_develop_things> never had less than
maybe 300MB freeL256[14:30:35] <Elfi> Why... oh my
god
L257[14:30:44] <Benedani>
because you need storage to run the system?
<Benedani>
because you need storage to run the system?L258[14:30:48] <Benedani>
because you need storage to put the system on? [Edited]
<Benedani>
because you need storage to put the system on? [Edited]L259[14:30:51] <Elfi> lmao I'm done with
this guy
L260[14:30:59] <ThePiGuy24> why is it my fault when
software that i didnt write breaks on a scenario that the devs
didnt plan for, but isnt exactly unfeasable
<ThePiGuy24> why is it my fault when
software that i didnt write breaks on a scenario that the devs
didnt plan for, but isnt exactly unfeasableL261[14:31:17] <Benedani>
because you're the one who filled the disk up?
<Benedani>
because you're the one who filled the disk up?L262[14:31:39] <Elfi> Hey PiGuy
L263[14:31:54] <Elfi> Instead of bitching
here vaguely, go to the DE maintainer's channel
L264[14:32:01] <Elfi> See how well they
receive you :3
L265[14:32:29] <ThePiGuy24> cant even be arsed
anymore
<ThePiGuy24> cant even be arsed
anymoreL266[14:32:39] <dequbed> At this point I'm
80% convinced that TPG is trolling. You can't be serious.
L267[14:33:00] <ThePiGuy24> yeah im trolling so hard that
i subject myself to this issue
<ThePiGuy24> yeah im trolling so hard that
i subject myself to this issueL268[14:33:11] <i_develop_things> either that or perhaps
mildly drunk - though there is the possibility that there is no
trolling involved
<i_develop_things> either that or perhaps
mildly drunk - though there is the possibility that there is no
trolling involvedL269[14:33:15] <ThePiGuy24> because i enjoy having
problems
<ThePiGuy24> because i enjoy having
problemsL270[14:33:21] <Benedani>
also, if your DE doesn't start up, you can still remove files and
reboot
<Benedani>
also, if your DE doesn't start up, you can still remove files and
rebootL271[14:33:28] <Elfi> Evidently enjoys
being a problem, too
L272[14:33:33] <Benedani>
in a tty
<Benedani>
in a ttyL273[14:33:42] <SleepingFoxes> does anyone
want piguy around?
L274[14:33:55] <ThePiGuy24> @Benedani yeah on a pc that
works alright, but not so easy on a phone
<ThePiGuy24> @Benedani yeah on a pc that
works alright, but not so easy on a phoneL275[14:34:15] <ThePiGuy24> yes thats right, i have this
issue in two fucking separate DEs
<ThePiGuy24> yes thats right, i have this
issue in two fucking separate DEsL276[14:34:16] <Benedani>
how did you run out of space on a phone
<Benedani>
how did you run out of space on a phoneL277[14:34:21] <Elfi> He isn't usually
this bileful
L278[14:34:31] <ThePiGuy24> how do you not run out of
space on a phone???
<ThePiGuy24> how do you not run out of
space on a phone???L279[14:34:32] <SleepingFoxes> ok if you
say sp
L280[14:34:32] <Skye> phones only have
limited storage space
L281[14:34:36] <ThePiGuy24> it has 32GB
<ThePiGuy24> it has 32GBL282[14:34:36] <Elfi> Running out of space
on a phone is less surprising, android's full of bloat
L283[14:34:39] <Skye> I keep on runnoug
out of space on my phone
L284[14:34:46] <i_develop_things> it's a pinephone i
think
<i_develop_things> it's a pinephone i
thinkL285[14:34:49] <i_develop_things> so running regular
linux
<i_develop_things> so running regular
linuxL286[14:34:54] <i_develop_things> this makes more sense
now
<i_develop_things> this makes more sense
nowL287[14:34:54] <ThePiGuy24> ^
<ThePiGuy24> ^L288[14:34:55] <Benedani>
well, you can get close to running out of space, but you have to
REALLY try on android
<Benedani>
well, you can get close to running out of space, but you have to
REALLY try on androidL289[14:35:04] <Benedani>
and if you're on linux phone it shouldn't be bloated
<Benedani>
and if you're on linux phone it shouldn't be bloatedL290[14:35:07] <i_develop_things> what distro are you
running?
<i_develop_things> what distro are you
running?L291[14:35:09] <Elfi> Oh, in that case I
stand corrected
L292[14:35:17] <ThePiGuy24> Manjaro + Plasma mobile
<ThePiGuy24> Manjaro + Plasma mobileL293[14:35:32] <Elfi> Same as any other
embedded Linux system, quit weighing it down until the axles are on
the road
L294[14:35:35] <i_develop_things> remove
`/var/cache/pacman/pkg`
<i_develop_things> remove
`/var/cache/pacman/pkg`L295[14:35:45] <i_develop_things> boom you have disk
space again
<i_develop_things> boom you have disk
space againL296[14:35:51] <i_develop_things> perhaps not a lot, but
enough
<i_develop_things> perhaps not a lot, but
enoughL297[14:35:54] <Elfi> Or run pacman
-Scc
L298[14:36:04] <Elfi> The
"proper" way of doing it
L299[14:36:12] <i_develop_things> (plug in a keyboard/SSH
in)
<i_develop_things> (plug in a keyboard/SSH
in)L300[14:36:58] <Elfi> Anyway, if it's a DE
designed to run on a phone, you may actually have a reason to open
up an issue... in the right avenues
L301[14:37:04] <Elfi> Or find it and fix
it!
L302[14:37:37] <Benedani>
ig having `pacman -Scc` run on boot should work tho
<Benedani>
ig having `pacman -Scc` run on boot should work thoL303[14:37:43] <dequbed> SleepingFoxes:
Yeah TPG24 is usually more reasonable. And less
foaming-at-the-mouth about things. I wouldn't want them removed on
the first time they are being a pain.
L304[14:37:57] <Elfi> But you should
reconsider the fact that you BLOW MONEY ON A PINEPHONE WHEN YOU'RE
SUPPOSEDLY POOR, YOU DUNCE, COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO IS BELOW THE
POVERTY LINE.
L305[14:38:11] <Izaya> Benedani: I mean,
Android was 10GB without Google malware last I tried
L306[14:38:35] <Izaya> That's uh, 5/8ths
of my last phone's internal storage
L307[14:38:39] <dequbed> Elfi: IIRC TPG24
is at the lives-with-parent age & stage so different standars
of "poor" apply I think.
L308[14:38:57] <Benedani>
the system is 5.56 gb here
<Benedani>
the system is 5.56 gb hereL309[14:39:16] <Izaya> maybe they improved
it since 7
L310[14:39:18] *
Izaya shrugs
L311[14:39:21] <Elfi> I hope he doesn't
treat them with this attitude, or else he may find himself
adjusting his standards on the spot
L312[14:39:23] <dequbed> 8.3ish with
11
L313[14:39:26] <Kilobyte> there is an aur
package pacman-cleanup-hook which automatically cleans up old
versions from the package cache after every update (leaving two or
so)
L314[14:39:48] <Benedani>
and on my new phone that has an unnecessary amount of storage
<Benedani>
and on my new phone that has an unnecessary amount of storageL315[14:39:51] <Benedani>
...22.3 gb
<Benedani>
...22.3 gbL316[14:40:04] <Izaya> my new phone has
32GB
L317[14:40:08] <Izaya> luxury
L318[14:40:18] <Benedani>
imagine not having 256 gb of storage
<Benedani>
imagine not having 256 gb of storageL319[14:40:29] <Elfi> At least SD cards
are cheap these days
L320[14:40:34] <Izaya> I mean, it has an
SD card slot, so \o/
L321[14:40:43] <Elfi> \o/
L322[14:40:48] <dequbed> @Benedani imagine
not modding your music player for 2TB of storage.
L323[14:40:56] <Izaya> s-stick an SSD in
it
L324[14:41:01] <dequbed> literally.
L325[14:41:16] <Benedani>
hey could I plug an ssd through usb c
<Benedani>
hey could I plug an ssd through usb cL326[14:41:19] <Benedani>
lmfao
<Benedani>
lmfaoL327[14:41:37] <Elfi> I mean... yes
L328[14:41:52] <Kilobyte> you'd need duct
tape to solve that issue properly though
L329[14:42:01] <Izaya> or a specially
designed case
L330[14:42:07] <Elfi> I have stuck an
aftermarket SD in an old '06 netbook before as well, I discovered
there was a company that made them for ATA-ZIF!
L331[14:42:12] <Izaya> but phones are
fuckhuge enough as it is
L332[14:42:17] <Elfi> SSD, rather
L333[14:42:22] <dequbed> Elfi: Wait what?
Link!
L334[14:42:28] <Skye> I booted a netbook
with an SD card
L335[14:42:29] <Skye> and uh
L336[14:42:30] <Skye> well
L337[14:42:31] <Skye> it died
L338[14:42:37] <Elfi> Let me dig it up,
that was like seven years ago
L339[14:42:38] <Skye> within a week and a
half
L340[14:42:42] <Izaya> I have some IdeaPad
S10es running Haiku from SD cards
L341[14:42:45] <Kilobyte> Skye: the sd
card or the netbook?
L342[14:42:46] <Izaya> they're fine
L343[14:42:46] <Benedani>
windows?
<Benedani>
windows?L344[14:42:57] <Skye> SD card
L345[14:43:07] <dequbed> Our backup server
runs off SD card :P
L346[14:43:17] <Amanda> Is it a
raspi?
L347[14:43:19] <Elfi> The manufacturer was
Kingspec
L348[14:43:20] <dequbed> no
L349[14:43:22] <dequbed> rackmount
L350[14:43:24] <dequbed> 3U
L351[14:43:27] <Amanda> Ah
L352[14:43:30] <MGR> My
hypervisors run off an SD card
<MGR> My
hypervisors run off an SD cardL353[14:43:30] <Izaya> throwback to when I
was running my server from two 8GB flash drives in RAID1
L354[14:43:48] <Kilobyte> the HDDs are
reserved for backups, no space for OS
L355[14:43:49] <Amanda> I used a raspi as
a NAS for a couple years there
L356[14:44:46] <dequbed> Amanda: Needs
more tape drive :P
L357[14:45:02] <Amanda> Now I'm using a
Intel NUC as a homelab.
L358[14:45:25] <Izaya> I have a tape drive
/o/
L359[14:45:32] <Izaya> alas, it's smaller
than all my HDDs
L360[14:45:51] <dequbed> LTO-5 for more
sqeeeeeeeeeeeeee-factor
L361[14:46:01] <Izaya> 80GB raw capacity
isn't terribly useful
L362[14:46:10] *
Amanda duct-tapes a hard drive "me too!"
L363[14:46:31] <dequbed> Izaya: LTO-5 at
1.5TB is actually suprisingly useful
L364[14:46:38] <Elfi> I've considered the
raspi NAS approach lately, but I haven't the hardware to pull it
off and more crucial things to spend money on
L365[14:46:44] <Elfi> Would be fun
though
L366[14:46:53] <dequbed> Especially if you
get the tapes by the carton for cheap from companies replacing
their system :D
L367[14:46:58] <Izaya> dequbed: needs more
Sinclair Microdrives
L368[14:47:04] <Kilobyte> i've seen a NUC
with a USB-C->SFP+ adapter for 10 gbit network. Interesting
setup (also involving duct tape)
L369[14:47:19] <Elfi> Ooh, sweet
find
L370[14:47:25] <dequbed> That sounds like
a congress find.
L371[14:47:34] <dequbed> Turns out that
*is* a congress find.
L372[14:47:44] <Kilobyte> yup :D
L373[14:47:46] <Izaya> also yeah but this
drive I have is ancient and has a max raw tape capacity of 80GB
though so
L374[14:47:55] <Izaya> it's not really
worth the cost of media
L375[14:48:32] <Elfi> I ran into that
issue before. "Ooh, free tape drive" "oh, it smol
and/or already broken"
L376[14:48:51] <Amanda> Kilobyte: my NUC
occasionally has to thermaly throttle itself as it is, I'd be
afraid of taping anything to the thing
L377[14:48:59] <Izaya> tape a heatsink to
it
L378[14:49:05] *
Izaya taps forehead
L379[14:49:34] <Izaya> man, this is An
Experience
L380[14:49:39] <Izaya> macaroni with
butter chicken sauce
L381[14:49:49] <Elfi> I'm sorry what
L382[14:49:57] <Izaya> you heard me
L383[14:50:05] <ThePiGuy24> yes thats the problem
<ThePiGuy24> yes thats the problemL384[14:52:08] <Elfi> Izaya, who is
committing this crime. Do you need an adult.
L385[14:52:23] <Izaya> I... I did
this.
L386[14:52:28] <Izaya> And I kinda like
it.
L387[14:52:30] <Elfi> Oh you poor
soul
L388[14:53:28] <Elfi> Blink twice if
you're eating this under duress.
L389[14:53:39] <Elfi> Wait, this is IRC, I
can't see you blink, shit
L390[14:53:54] *
Izaya staaaaaaaaaaaare
L391[14:53:58] <dequbed> Tell us how much
you like microsoft if you're eating this under dures
L392[14:54:07] <dequbed> We all know how
much you like Redmont software :)
L393[14:56:27] <dequbed> Elfi: Anyway, I
can warmly recommend the congress for very weird tech :P
L394[14:57:08] <Elfi> Hehe
L395[14:57:41] <Elfi> Dunno what I've got
in that same vein
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L397[15:06:05] <Amanda> %choose try and
fix second monitor?
L398[15:06:05] <MichiBot> Amanda: Hm. I
can't choose. Ask me again in a couple of minutes.
L399[15:07:54] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL400[15:07:54] <MichiBot> You drink a
simulated rød potion (New!). Forecaster feels slightly
faster.
L401[15:09:51] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL402[15:09:51] <MichiBot> Awesome!
Forecaster! You beat Vaur's previous record of 1 hour, 12 minutes
and 48 seconds (By 4 hours, 5 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L403[15:09:52] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 5 hours, 17 minutes and 55 seconds! Forecaster also
gained 0.00818 (0.00409 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
Position #3. Need 0.22068155 more points to pass Vaur!
L404[15:10:03] <Amanda> fuck it, i'll try
a simple reboot first
L405[15:14:08] <Amanda> Well, that wrked.
Can't help but wonder what the hell HDMI-1 is though, since
apparently the HDMI port on my laptop is HDMI-2 ( which was missing
last boot )
L406[15:14:42] <Kilobyte> does it have a
traditional dock connector?
L407[15:17:35] <Amanda> not that I've
noticed
L408[15:17:49] <Amanda> It's a System76
Lemur from like, 2016-17
L409[15:18:02] <Izaya> if it has a dGPU it
might be used for inter-GPU communication
L410[15:18:14] <Amanda> Nope, just the
integrated intel GPU
L411[15:18:37] <Amanda> ( Which still runs
games better than most of the other machines int he house )
L412[15:19:00] <Amanda> Guess it helps
that most of my games are 2d sprite-bassed
L413[15:19:23] <Amanda> at least, the ones
I'm likely to play on my laptop are. Stationeers is a lost cost on
my laptop atm, until I up it's RAM
L414[15:19:30] <Amanda> Stationeers
gobbles ram like mad
L415[15:19:37] <Izaya> Tried Rimworld on
my laptop.
L416[15:19:40] <Kilobyte> eh, integrated
GPUs aren't _that_ bad
L417[15:19:50] <Kilobyte> especially more
recent ones
L418[15:19:56] <Izaya> Ended up with two
burned legs.
L419[15:20:26] <Kilobyte> i tend to avoid
putting my laptop on my lap for that very reason :D
L420[15:20:42] <Izaya> laptops are for
ssh
L421[15:20:54] <dequbed> Kilobyte: Noooo
you can't just run modded MC with Immersive Railroading on an Intel
GPU! Hahahahah 36GB RAM go brrrrrrr :D
L422[15:21:15] <Izaya> look at the upside
of iGPUs
L423[15:21:26] <Izaya> you don't have to
copy stuff from main memory to GPU memory
L424[15:21:28] <Izaya> it's the same
memory
L425[15:21:35] <dequbed> My point
exactly.
L426[15:21:39] <Elfi> If only they were
that optimized
L427[15:21:49] <Izaya> when the game is
fucking broken like minecraft, that's a big upside
L428[15:21:58] <dequbed> Our pack runs
better on my laptop because I have spare ram :D
L429[15:22:11] <Izaya> > hurr copy
every texture to the GPU every frame
L430[15:22:13] <Kilobyte> Izaya: well
depends, if i have a desk and possibly even external monitor my
laptop can be a primary work device
L431[15:22:47] <Kilobyte> just because i'm
not at home doesn't mean i can't do proper work
L432[15:23:01] <Amanda> The only
non-laptop machine I regularly use graphically is a windows box I
have plugged into the living room tv to use as a games console with
a shitter os
L433[15:23:14] <Kilobyte> but putting it
on my lap while compiling something can be pretty painful
L434[15:23:25] <dequbed> Kilobyte: To be
fair however ... a lot of your work *is* ssh :P
L435[15:23:32] <Amanda> (and even that's
mostly used via steam IHS)
L436[15:24:00] <Kilobyte> dequbed: the
work i get paid for yes.
L437[15:28:16] <Izaya> kinda want a
weaker, lower power board for my laptop
L438[15:28:26] <Izaya> so I could get more
battery life for my ssh machine
L439[15:29:07] <Kilobyte> modern cpus are
quite good in regards to power consumption, even when they have
good performance
L440[15:29:28] <Izaya> I guess, but they
haven't made a modern replacement board for the X220 yet
L441[15:29:43] <Kilobyte> i feel you
:P
L442[15:29:51] <Kilobyte> i kinda don't
want to replace my x220
L443[15:30:24] <Izaya> and given it really
is an ssh machine for me, I feel like something with some weak ARM
cores would serve me better
L444[15:30:26] <dequbed> Izaya: Unrelated
but I talked for a minute with a guy yesterday that about 20 years
ago worked on a concept of computing power as utility. As in
provided like electricity and water and you just plug in to take as
much as you need.
L445[15:30:41] <Izaya> flexing on -U
processors with a 35W fire hazard is fun but not practical
L446[15:31:05] <dequbed> Remind me for
when you visit so I can arrange a meeting over a beer or a crate
:P
L447[15:40:28] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL448[15:40:28] <MichiBot> You drink a soft
caterium potion (New!). A genie appears out of the empty bottle,
turns it into a pie, then vanishes.
L449[15:40:51] <Benedani>
computing power like electricity?
<Benedani>
computing power like electricity?L450[15:41:09] <Izaya> that was one of the
goals of multics wasn't it?
L451[15:41:15] <Benedani>
...but electricity creates computing power
<Benedani>
...but electricity creates computing powerL452[15:41:38] <Izaya> you also need
electricity for running water and phones in many cases
L453[15:43:33] <dequbed> Izaya: Somewhat
but MULTICS is also from the mainframe era so it's not that
comparable.
L454[16:00:58] <dequbed> TFW you write a
todo about how a L3 access is slow and should be optimized.
<.<
L455[16:01:40] <nil> today
I learned... that even cache is slow
<nil> today
I learned... that even cache is slowL456[16:01:47] <Emmi>
everything is slow
<Emmi>
everything is slowL457[16:01:51] <Emmi>
despair!
<Emmi>
despair!L458[16:02:16] <nil> then
we should make everything faster
<nil> then
we should make everything fasterL459[16:02:19] <nil> so
that it won't be slow
<nil> so
that it won't be slowL460[16:02:31] <dequbed> @nil at least
it's not *shudder* memory access. That takes *aaaaaaageeees*
L461[16:02:55] <Izaya> tfw not using
processor-speed-matched SRAM as main memory
L462[16:03:04] <Emmi> we
should make everything so fast it wraps around into being slow
again
<Emmi> we
should make everything so fast it wraps around into being slow
againL463[16:04:40] <dequbed> Izaya: That still
has terrible signal latency. I don't want to wait 100's of cycles
for my data!
L464[16:07:14] <dequbed> Izaya: Do keep in
mind that at 5GHz 20ns of access time is 100 clock cycles. Memory
is fast, yes. But it's not *that* fast.
L465[16:07:33] <ThePiGuy24> smh lets just use really long
rope memory
<ThePiGuy24> smh lets just use really long
rope memoryL466[16:07:38] <nil> how
slow is a fast SSD?
<nil> how
slow is a fast SSD?L467[16:10:14] <dequbed> @nil well see. If
memory access takes let's say a minute. Then a reasonable fast SSD
with a pingback latency of is a two week trip to the shore.
L468[16:10:34] <nil> big
ouf.
<nil> big
ouf.L469[16:10:39] <dequbed> s/latency
of/latency of 0.14ms/
L470[16:10:39] <MichiBot> <dequbed>
@nil well see. If memory access takes let's say a minute. Then a
reasonable fast SSD with a pingback latency of 0.14ms is a two week
trip to the shore.
L471[16:10:41] <nil> I
didn't think it was that slow
<nil> I
didn't think it was that slowL472[16:11:03] <Izaya> computers are
fast
L473[16:11:15] <dequbed> Keep in mind that
if memory access takes a minute then hard drive access is a 4 year
around the world trip @nil.
L474[16:11:41] <Izaya> take some pictures
of saturn for me
L475[16:11:48] <ThePiGuy24> and a tape seek would be fun
:p
<ThePiGuy24> and a tape seek would be fun
:pL476[16:12:10] <Kilobyte> tape seek would
be on the order of centuries
L477[16:12:29] <Kilobyte> (depending on
how far you need to seek)
L478[16:16:07] <dequbed> @nil And if
memory access takes a minute then L3 cache is around the time of a
blink. L2 is less than one third that long and L1 stops making
sense at these comparisons. I don't think you realize just *how*
fast cache is.
L479[16:19:55] <dequbed> @nil but don't
dispair. Nothing is slower than sending data over a network
;)
L480[16:23:51] <Izaya> sleeb time
L482[16:27:57] <Kristopher38> piguy's phone's storage,
2021 colorized
<Kristopher38> piguy's phone's storage,
2021 colorizedL483[16:36:45]
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L489[17:00:09] <ThePiGuy24> tfw you are looking at a
supposedly javascript lib/api but its actually typescript 🤮
<ThePiGuy24> tfw you are looking at a
supposedly javascript lib/api but its actually typescript 🤮L490[17:00:30] <nil> whats
so bad about ts
<nil> whats
so bad about tsL491[17:01:05] <ThePiGuy24> its javascript but for the
mentally unstable
<ThePiGuy24> its javascript but for the
mentally unstableL492[17:05:59] <grantlmul> i thought ts
> js
L493[17:11:47] <nil>
same
<nil>
sameL494[17:14:52] <Amanda> Typescriptis just
modern js with stronger typing,
L495[17:14:53] <ThePiGuy24> people say it is, yet i dont
see why people would like it
<ThePiGuy24> people say it is, yet i dont
see why people would like itL496[17:15:27] <Amanda> at least last I
looked that was the case
L497[17:16:00] <Amanda> %choose stay on
beta or switch to stable
L498[17:16:01] <MichiBot> Amanda: I saw
that "switch to stable" is the best choice in a
vision
L499[17:17:44] <Emmi>
Stable is the software version of terra firma... most of the
time
<Emmi>
Stable is the software version of terra firma... most of the
timeL500[17:18:34] <Saghetti>
boo
<Saghetti>
booL501[17:18:36] <Saghetti>
i'm back
<Saghetti>
i'm backL502[17:18:39] <Amanda> I mean. the game's
early access anyway, I've just thought since they just did a
release of promoting beta to stable, might as well stop riding the
beta coaster atthe same time
L503[17:19:49] <Saghetti>
i'm trying to get into pcb design now
<Saghetti>
i'm trying to get into pcb design nowL504[17:19:49] <Amanda> %choose make one
big silo or wait until I can afford many little ones
L505[17:19:50] <MichiBot> Amanda: Wait,
what was the question again? Uhh... "make one big
silo"?
L506[17:20:38] <Amanda> er, that question
was a bit fucky, oh well,I knew what I meant
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L509[17:59:31] <Z0idberg>
What version of Minecraft should I be using these days for setting
up a generalized modded server
<Z0idberg>
What version of Minecraft should I be using these days for setting
up a generalized modded serverL510[17:59:33] <Z0idberg>
still 1.12?
<Z0idberg>
still 1.12?L511[17:59:44] <Z0idberg>
forge that is
<Z0idberg>
forge that isL512[17:59:58] <Z0idberg>
(I can't wait until fabric is more the norm tbh)
<Z0idberg>
(I can't wait until fabric is more the norm tbh)L513[18:02:28] <Z0idberg>
looks like it
<Z0idberg>
looks like itL514[18:06:59] <grantlmul> @Z0idberg i
mean this is #oc so yeah 1.12.2
L515[18:08:16] <Z0idberg>
I haven't played for a looong time
<Z0idberg>
I haven't played for a looong timeL516[18:08:33] <Z0idberg>
I really need to get Trotwood running, it's almost done
<Z0idberg>
I really need to get Trotwood running, it's almost doneL517[18:22:56] <SleepingFoxes> since most
mods work on 1.12 you will usually end up with 1.12 but sometimes
if you use few enough mods and the stars align they will be
compatible with a future version of minecraft. i had one where all
the mods worked on 1.14.4
L518[18:29:54] <Benedani>
1.14 isn't exactly great for performance tho
<Benedani>
1.14 isn't exactly great for performance thoL519[18:34:11] <Kristopher38> @Saghetti took you long
time with that food
<Kristopher38> @Saghetti took you long
time with that foodL520[18:34:22] <Saghetti>
maybe
<Saghetti>
maybeL521[18:34:41] <Kristopher38> @Z0idberg get OC dev builds
from the build server
<Kristopher38> @Z0idberg get OC dev builds
from the build serverL522[18:35:08] <Z0idberg>
heh
<Z0idberg>
hehL523[18:35:44]
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L524[18:35:55] <Kristopher38> @Saghetti what project do
you have in mind?
<Kristopher38> @Saghetti what project do
you have in mind?L525[18:36:26] <Saghetti>
an mp3 player
<Saghetti>
an mp3 playerL526[18:36:43] <Z0idberg>
eww mp3
<Z0idberg>
eww mp3L527[18:36:46] <Saghetti>
probably too ambitious but why not
<Saghetti>
probably too ambitious but why notL528[18:37:36] <Saghetti>
>Z0idberg: eww mp3
<Saghetti>
>Z0idberg: eww mp3L529[18:37:36] <Saghetti>
there's nothing stopping me from porting a flac player
<Saghetti>
there's nothing stopping me from porting a flac playerL530[18:37:48] <Z0idberg>
just do raw PCM 😄
<Z0idberg>
just do raw PCM 😄L531[18:37:51] <Z0idberg>
fun fun fun
<Z0idberg>
fun fun funL532[18:38:08] <Z0idberg>
then you can do FFT with ease
<Z0idberg>
then you can do FFT with easeL533[18:38:24] <Benedani>
why not ogg
<Benedani>
why not oggL534[18:38:30] <Z0idberg>
DWFPM or whatever it is?
<Z0idberg>
DWFPM or whatever it is?L535[18:38:32] <Benedani>
unironically
<Benedani>
unironicallyL536[18:38:41] <Z0idberg>
could do that
<Z0idberg>
could do thatL537[18:39:01] <Z0idberg>
ogg is not an audio codec, is just a container format.
<Z0idberg>
ogg is not an audio codec, is just a container format.L538[18:39:06] <Z0idberg>
you are thinking of vorbis
<Z0idberg>
you are thinking of vorbisL539[18:39:08] <Benedani>
ogg vorbis then
<Benedani>
ogg vorbis thenL540[18:39:09] <Benedani>
yea
<Benedani>
yeaL541[18:39:14] <Benedani>
if you want to be specific
<Benedani>
if you want to be specificL542[18:39:18] <Z0idberg>
😄
<Z0idberg>
😄L543[18:39:35] <Saghetti>
eh whatever
<Saghetti>
eh whateverL544[18:39:52] <Saghetti>
i'm planning on using an esp32-pico-d4
<Saghetti>
i'm planning on using an esp32-pico-d4L545[18:39:59] <Saghetti>
more than fast enough for real-time decoding
<Saghetti>
more than fast enough for real-time decodingL546[18:40:00] <Z0idberg>
ogg is very useful for audio data streams
<Z0idberg>
ogg is very useful for audio data streamsL547[18:40:12] <Saghetti>
and if i wanted to down the line, i could get bluetooth audio
working
<Saghetti>
and if i wanted to down the line, i could get bluetooth audio
workingL548[18:40:38] <Kristopher38> How will you handle the
actual audio output
<Kristopher38> How will you handle the
actual audio outputL550[18:41:38] <Saghetti>
the pico d4 has i2s built in, so it should work
<Saghetti>
the pico d4 has i2s built in, so it should workL551[18:42:11] <i_develop_things> dequbed: tf are you
doing where L3 is too slow
<i_develop_things> dequbed: tf are you
doing where L3 is too slowL552[18:42:46] <Kristopher38> @idevelopthings he
explained earlier
<Kristopher38> @idevelopthings he
explained earlierL553[18:42:55] <i_develop_things> i have forgotten
<i_develop_things> i have forgottenL554[18:43:04] <Kristopher38> Something something
crypto
<Kristopher38> Something something
cryptoL555[18:43:16] <dequbed> @i_develop_things
what are you doing that L3 *isn't* too slow?
L556[18:44:39] <dequbed> @Saghetti PCB
design is fun. And I don't think an MP3 player is too ambitious, it
really depends on how much you want to do discrete vs integrated
^^
L557[18:44:52] <Benedani>
how many cycles was L3 access again?
<Benedani>
how many cycles was L3 access again?L558[18:45:52] <dequbed> Depends on your
ISA, architecture, cpu, cpu revision.
L559[18:46:12] <dequbed> Generally
speaking "a few picoseconds"
L560[18:46:22] <Benedani>
keep in mind there are L2 and L1 caches too
<Benedani>
keep in mind there are L2 and L1 caches tooL561[18:46:30] <Benedani>
tho L1 is for instructions iirc
<Benedani>
tho L1 is for instructions iircL562[18:46:44] <dequbed> Who? Me? Oh yes,
*please* go mansplain caches to me. This will be *FUN* :D
L563[18:47:28] <Amanda> Can you guess when
I was playing Stationeers? https://nc.ddna.co/s/HRs8ZKoWMQpPPsT
L564[18:47:49] <dequbed> Amanda: Is it
"at the time you should be asleep"? :P
L565[18:47:51] <Benedani>
but yeah, tf are you doing
<Benedani>
but yeah, tf are you doingL566[18:48:13] <Amanda> dequbed: nah, it's
only 1400, and that graph's only thelast 6h
L567[18:48:34] <Amanda> 14:48 apparently.
I really need to stop ignoring the minutes
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L569[18:48:42] <Amanda> hi Inari
L570[18:48:52] <Inari> ohi
L571[18:48:54] <dequbed> @Benedani aw I
expected a mansplanation of caches. Now I made popcorn for no
reason :(
L572[18:48:54] <Inari> %splash
Amanda
L573[18:48:55] <MichiBot> You fling a
mutable radiation potion (New!) that splashes onto Amanda. Amanda
turns into a pink dragon boy until they see a star fall.
L574[18:49:07] <Amanda> %bite Inari
L575[18:49:08] <MichiBot> Amanda is
trying to bite Inari! They have 1 minute if they want to attempt
to %defend against it!
L576[18:49:11] <Inari> %dodge
L577[18:49:11] <MichiBot> Inari
successfully dodged Amanda. With a 19 vs 12 Inari avoided all of
the damage!
L578[18:49:12] <Amanda> %sip
antidote
L579[18:49:13] <MichiBot> Amanda: Amanda
reverts to their original state before any potions.
L580[18:49:20] <dequbed> Disregard the two
girls ... doing their thing <.<
L581[18:49:24] <Amanda> how do you dodge a
dragon's bite!
L582[18:49:34] <Amanda> silly
MichiBot
L583[18:49:51] <Inari> dequbed: Don't lump
me in with that cat things
L584[18:49:53] <Inari> *thign
L585[18:49:57] <Inari> *thing, ffs
L586[18:50:01] <dequbed> Behave
Inari
L587[18:51:12] <Forecaster> Amanda: by distracting with a
shiny thing?
<Forecaster> Amanda: by distracting with a
shiny thing?L588[18:52:17] *
Inari baps dequbed on the nose with the tip of her
tail
L589[18:53:28] <Saghetti>
dequbed: by integrated do yu mean custom silicon?
<Saghetti>
dequbed: by integrated do yu mean custom silicon?L590[18:53:32] <Saghetti>
you*
<Saghetti>
you*L591[18:53:39] <Saghetti>
if so that's way out of my skill level
<Saghetti>
if so that's way out of my skill levelL592[18:53:51] <dequbed> What no
L593[18:54:13] <Inari> FPGA!
L594[18:54:20] <dequbed> Inari No
L595[18:54:59] <Saghetti>
then what do you mean by integrated
<Saghetti>
then what do you mean by integratedL596[18:55:12] <i_develop_things> cache: in layman's
terms, speedy data goes in, speedy data goes out
<i_develop_things> cache: in layman's
terms, speedy data goes in, speedy data goes outL597[18:55:14] <i_develop_things> :P
<i_develop_things> :PL598[18:55:19] <Saghetti>
also fpgas are cool but i've also never messed around with
them
<Saghetti>
also fpgas are cool but i've also never messed around with
themL599[18:55:34] <Saghetti>
and they're kinda expensive thh
<Saghetti>
and they're kinda expensive thhL600[18:56:18] <Amanda> %choose try and
roll dev hydra again or wait for it to be updated in the
repos
L601[18:56:18] <MichiBot> Amanda: Hold on
tightly! "try and roll dev hydra again" is a wild
ride!
L602[18:57:05] <dequbed> @Saghetti What I
mean is that you could get yourself for example a TAS5760 IC which
is a headphone amp with an I2S input and wire that up with a NXP
single-cell LiIon BMS. Then you only need to input I2S to that amp,
plug in a 18650 cell and you have yourself a very mobile long
battery time MP3 player.
L603[18:58:15] <Kilobyte> Saghetti: really
depends on your needs. a lattice ice40 for example is less than ten
euro in single unit quantity. (though a devboard is certainly more
expensive)
L604[18:58:25] <dequbed> On the /other/
end you could go ahead, build yourself a two stage headphone amp
out of single-die opamps (or discrete ones if you're insane),
implement I2S decoding in hardware (yes, that *is* possible), build
yourself a bms using a charge controller and one or more
PMICs
L605[18:58:54] <dequbed> Kilobyte: Corded
only translates with @ in front iirc.
L606[18:59:01] <dequbed> and no : at the
end
L607[18:59:03] <Kilobyte> gnarf
L608[18:59:07] <dequbed> so @Ariri but not
Ariri:
L609[18:59:24] <Saghetti>
there's no way i'm going to build all of that stuff myself
<Saghetti>
there's no way i'm going to build all of that stuff myselfL610[18:59:30] <Kristopher38> I wanted to make a
bluetooth thingy sit inside a pen
<Kristopher38> I wanted to make a
bluetooth thingy sit inside a penL611[18:59:39] <dequbed> Well see that's
where you can adjust for your skill level.
L612[18:59:42] <Ariri>
Nani
<Ariri>
NaniL613[18:59:44] <Saghetti>
i'll just use an ic to handle decoding and whatnot
<Saghetti>
i'll just use an ic to handle decoding and whatnotL614[18:59:46] <Kristopher38> but gave up in the middle
since I need a scope for debugging
<Kristopher38> but gave up in the middle
since I need a scope for debuggingL615[18:59:48] <dequbed> That's why I'm
saying its not too big a project :)
L616[18:59:55] <Ariri>
o
<Ariri>
oL617[19:00:04] <dequbed> @Ariri hii~ you
cute and deserving of headpats ^.^
L618[19:00:09] *
dequbed headpatpats Ariri
L619[19:00:43] <Forecaster> Corded can convert a name
when it starts with an @, ends with a blankspace, and if it
contains spaces it has to be quoted (after @ and before ending
whitespace)
<Forecaster> Corded can convert a name
when it starts with an @, ends with a blankspace, and if it
contains spaces it has to be quoted (after @ and before ending
whitespace)L620[19:00:48] <Ariri>
H-hello, I am not cute so I would like to refund said pats
<Ariri>
H-hello, I am not cute so I would like to refund said patsL621[19:00:52] <Ariri>
%pat dequbed
<Ariri>
%pat dequbedL622[19:01:00] <Ariri>
%pet dequbed
<Ariri>
%pet dequbedL623[19:01:00] <MichiBot> Ariri flails at
nothingness...
L625[19:01:12] <dequbed> Also >
<Benedani> but yeah, tf are you doing > Maths. Lots and
*lots* of math.
L626[19:01:13] <Ariri> ok
i guess dequbed is also nothing
<Ariri> ok
i guess dequbed is also nothingL627[19:01:25] <Forecaster> that's not supposed to
happen
<Forecaster> that's not supposed to
happenL628[19:01:27] *
dequbed vibes in Voidpunk
L629[19:01:59] <Saghetti>
i'm basically just gonna steal the schematic for this and then
connect it to things like the display controller, amplifier,
etc
<Saghetti>
i'm basically just gonna steal the schematic for this and then
connect it to things like the display controller, amplifier,
etcL630[19:02:15] <Saghetti>
thanks, open source hardware https://github.com/tinypico/tinypico-hardware
<Saghetti>
thanks, open source hardware https://github.com/tinypico/tinypico-hardwareL631[19:03:02] <dequbed> @Forecaster while
you're at it make it so @Saghetti pings @Saghetti.
L632[19:03:31] <Forecaster> both of those were
pings
<Forecaster> both of those were
pingsL633[19:03:41] <dequbed> For the right
Saghetti?
L634[19:03:48] <dequbed> We apparently had
issues with that earlier.
L635[19:03:59] <MGR>
Corded can't tell unless you also included the #xxxx after the
name
<MGR>
Corded can't tell unless you also included the #xxxx after the
nameL636[19:04:04] <Saghetti>
just type in \<@740679995269054546\>
<Saghetti>
just type in \<@740679995269054546\>L637[19:04:07] <Saghetti>
easy
<Saghetti>
easyL638[19:04:09] <MGR> Both
accounts are in this Discord server
<MGR> Both
accounts are in this Discord serverL639[19:04:20] <Forecaster> also I don't really operate
on Corded
<Forecaster> also I don't really operate
on CordedL640[19:04:48] <Saghetti>
>MajGenRelativity: Both accounts are in this Discord
server
<Saghetti>
>MajGenRelativity: Both accounts are in this Discord
serverL641[19:04:48] <Saghetti>
not forever though
<Saghetti>
not forever thoughL642[19:04:53] <Saghetti>
on the 17th my old account gets termed
<Saghetti>
on the 17th my old account gets termedL643[19:04:58] <Saghetti>
which is sad but at the same time
<Saghetti>
which is sad but at the same timeL644[19:05:01] <Saghetti>
no more wrong pings
<Saghetti>
no more wrong pingsL645[19:05:25] <MGR> Fair
enough
<MGR> Fair
enoughL646[19:05:37] <Inari> can't like
L647[19:05:42] <Inari> the old account
just be kicked
L648[19:05:43] <Inari> :p
L649[19:05:48] <Saghetti>
that works too
<Saghetti>
that works tooL650[19:09:27] <dequbed> @Saghetti You
should probably find yourself somebody to look over your PCBs.
Compared to software cost of development is very high, turnaround
is orders of magnitudes slower and lot's of manual labour involved.
And many issues are very hard to debug.
L651[19:09:43] <dequbed> Sorry.
@740679995269054546 <.<
L652[19:10:04] <Saghetti>
neither of those worked but oh well
<Saghetti>
neither of those worked but oh wellL653[19:10:19] <Saghetti>
there's a #pcb-design channel in the adafruit discord
<Saghetti>
there's a #pcb-design channel in the adafruit discordL654[19:11:20] <Saghetti>
also i missed my 1 year anniversary here
<Saghetti>
also i missed my 1 year anniversary hereL655[19:11:42] <Saghetti>
i joined on 2020-2-10
<Saghetti>
i joined on 2020-2-10L656[19:11:44] <Saghetti>
2-12*
<Saghetti>
2-12*L657[19:14:04] <Forecaster> ah
<Forecaster> ahL658[19:14:34] <Forecaster> it's great when you change
the name of an argument to "Target" but doesn't update
the getArgument("Nick") to that as well
<Forecaster> it's great when you change
the name of an argument to "Target" but doesn't update
the getArgument("Nick") to that as wellL659[19:21:15] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L660[19:21:16] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
CompanionCube, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 5
hours, 17 minutes and 55 seconds this time. 4 hours, 11 minutes and
25 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 6 minutes and 30
seconds!
L661[19:28:56] <lightining1313> ho do I set up monitors
for multiple computers that are in the same network
<lightining1313> ho do I set up monitors
for multiple computers that are in the same networkL662[19:29:23] <lightining1313> how do I make the
computers have designated monitors
<lightining1313> how do I make the
computers have designated monitorsL663[19:29:33] <lightining1313> how do I set up monitors
for multiple computers that are in the same network [Edited]
<lightining1313> how do I set up monitors
for multiple computers that are in the same network [Edited]L664[19:29:40] <Amanda> put a relay
between the computers, they don't need to be on the same component
networkto recerive messages if you have a relay between them
L665[19:30:29] <lightining1313> thank you, I am trying to
make a computer orchestra to play songs with computer.beep
<lightining1313> thank you, I am trying to
make a computer orchestra to play songs with computer.beepL666[19:30:49]
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L668[19:31:05] <Maximus> heey does anyone
know how to use open lights?
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L670[19:32:53] <Maximus> heres link
https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/openlights
L671[19:37:30] <Forecaster> you use it the same way you
use any component in OC
<Forecaster> you use it the same way you
use any component in OCL672[19:38:01] <Kilobyte> i'd just try it
out. Put a light block, attach it to a computer and see whats it's
API
L673[19:38:30] <Kilobyte> https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenLights/blob/1.12.2/src/main/java/pcl/openlights/tileentity/OpenLightTE.java#L76
alternatively you can have a look at it's source code, which
contains inline documentation (which you can also see from
lua)
L674[19:42:55] <bad at
vijya> so, metro exodus on ranger isn't terribly hard except in
sections where it just throws a fuckshitload of enemies at
you
<bad at
vijya> so, metro exodus on ranger isn't terribly hard except in
sections where it just throws a fuckshitload of enemies at
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L676[19:46:59] <Ariri> dequbed, if you
want to @ by ID, it's like <@[user id]> or something
L677[19:47:10] <Ariri> Just thought I'd
share since it's a bit wonky and whatever
L678[19:47:19] <dequbed> ah
L679[19:47:59] <i_develop_things> how does one see how
long one has been in a guild? @Saghetti
<i_develop_things> how does one see how
long one has been in a guild? @SaghettiL680[19:48:23] <Ariri> I don't know if
users have permission to see that
L681[19:48:27] <Saghetti>
just search from:i develop things#5343 and find the first
message
<Saghetti>
just search from:i develop things#5343 and find the first
messageL682[19:48:31] <Ariri> In the API, its
under guild information
L683[19:48:31] <i_develop_things> oh, fair
<i_develop_things> oh, fairL684[19:48:32] <Ariri> Or that
L685[19:48:34] <Saghetti>
it's a join message
<Saghetti>
it's a join messageL686[19:48:39] <Saghetti>
which technically has you as the sender
<Saghetti>
which technically has you as the senderL687[19:48:52] <i_develop_things> interesting
<i_develop_things> interestingL688[19:48:59] <Saghetti>
meaning you can also delete it lmao
<Saghetti>
meaning you can also delete it lmaoL689[19:49:10] ⇦
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L690[19:49:12] <i_develop_things> 07/18/2019
<i_develop_things> 07/18/2019L691[19:49:13] <i_develop_things> neat
<i_develop_things> neatL692[19:49:19] <i_develop_things> been nearly two
years
<i_develop_things> been nearly two
yearsL693[19:54:23] <i_develop_things> wow some of my older
messages are uhhhh
<i_develop_things> wow some of my older
messages are uhhhhL694[19:54:26] <i_develop_things> cringe
<i_develop_things> cringeL695[19:54:36] <i_develop_things> tl;dr i was 12
<i_develop_things> tl;dr i was 12L696[19:54:59] <Ariri> Relatable
L697[19:55:22] <Kristopher38> @idevelopthings wait until
you mature even more
<Kristopher38> @idevelopthings wait until
you mature even moreL698[19:55:24] <dequbed> Wait you're /how/
young? o.O
L699[19:55:40] <i_develop_things> 14
<i_develop_things> 14L700[19:55:43] <Kristopher38> dequbed: another shrouded
mystery revealed
<Kristopher38> dequbed: another shrouded
mystery revealedL701[19:55:45] ⇦
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L702[19:55:46] <dequbed> fucking
hell
L703[19:55:59] <i_develop_things> what?
<i_develop_things> what?L704[19:56:16] <Kristopher38> makes you wonder what you
were doing at that age instead of being @idevelopthings
<Kristopher38> makes you wonder what you
were doing at that age instead of being @idevelopthingsL705[19:56:47] <Ariri> Heck, I was one
year off
L706[19:57:07] <dequbed> Fuckin' kids in
this channel man. I feel Amanda way too much now <.<
L707[19:57:11] <i_develop_things> lol
<i_develop_things> lolL708[19:58:33] <Amanda> please do not
fornicate with the children, dequbed
L709[19:58:55] <i_develop_things> why are people
surprised when i say i'm 14
<i_develop_things> why are people
surprised when i say i'm 14L710[19:59:19] <bad at
vijya> i feel old
<bad at
vijya> i feel oldL711[19:59:23] <bad at
vijya> and i'm only like
<bad at
vijya> and i'm only likeL712[19:59:23] <bad at
vijya> 19
<bad at
vijya> 19L714[19:59:31] *
CompanionCube is older
L715[19:59:31] <dequbed> Amanda: Ew
no.
L716[19:59:34] *
Amanda shakes a stick at all the children
L717[19:59:47] <CompanionCube> but then
again i've been in this channel for rather longer, so...
L718[19:59:47] *
Amanda turned 30 last month. ._.
L719[20:00:02] <bad at
vijya> but that's probably because i might have well been
kneecapped at birth
<bad at
vijya> but that's probably because i might have well been
kneecapped at birthL720[20:00:17] <Kilobyte> when i first
joined i was 19 (according to my logs)
L721[20:00:22] *
CompanionCube digs up the old XChat2 logs..
L722[20:01:20] *
CompanionCube enabled local logging on aug 8, 2015. Is mid-join, so
time to look on irclogs...
L723[20:02:05] <Ariri> Oh yeah CC,
Coinbase went public
L724[20:02:11] <CompanionCube> indeed they
did
L725[20:02:28] <CompanionCube> it's gonna
timeout isn't it...
L726[20:02:46] <Ariri> Good move for the
crypto enthusiasts, hopefully other exchanges follow
L727[20:02:56] *
Ariri eyes Binance and Tether
L729[20:03:06] <CompanionCube> why would
tether go public
L730[20:03:16] <CompanionCube> they're way
too shady for that type of thing
L731[20:03:30] <Ariri> Well, not
necessarily public, but at least be less suspicious
L732[20:03:47] <Ariri> General sort of
anti-shady practices and publicity
L733[20:03:55] <CompanionCube> inb4 get
listed on NYSE despite being banned from the state of New
York.
L734[20:04:03] <Ariri> Lol
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L739[20:32:44] <HotDog> Hi
L740[20:33:04] *
CompanionCube did some searching through the irclogs while
youtubing, apparently july 2014 with a stray mention in
january
L741[20:33:10] <CompanionCube>
%hello
L742[20:33:11] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome
to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your
questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code
examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont
mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L745[21:00:21] <Emmi> that
worked
<Emmi> that
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L747[21:41:10] <Amanda> Or did it?
L748[21:43:08] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL749[21:43:08] <MichiBot> You drink a wild
tan potion (New!). The bottle turns into a silver trident.
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L751[21:46:00] <Kleadron>
>bad at vijya: i feel old
<Kleadron>
>bad at vijya: i feel oldL752[21:46:00] <Kleadron>
stfu child
<Kleadron>
stfu childL753[21:46:09] <bad at
vijya> lmao
<bad at
vijya> lmaoL754[21:46:12]
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L756[22:00:43] <Amanda> %choose unplug and
halucinate?
L757[22:00:44] <MichiBot> Amanda: No,
maybe tomorrow.
L758[22:00:54] <Amanda> .... unplug and
halucinate
L759[22:21:51] <Emmi>
Amanda: im suspicious because it did work first time
<Emmi>
Amanda: im suspicious because it did work first timeL760[22:38:08] <Z0idberg>
what's the newest version of the jdk at the moment I should be able
to run Minecraft 1.12 on?
<Z0idberg>
what's the newest version of the jdk at the moment I should be able
to run Minecraft 1.12 on?L761[22:38:14] <Z0idberg>
will it work on JDK newer than 8 now?
<Z0idberg>
will it work on JDK newer than 8 now?L762[22:38:52] <Kristopher38> i have my doubts
<Kristopher38> i have my doubtsL763[22:40:30] <Z0idberg>
going with openjdk8 then
<Z0idberg>
going with openjdk8 thenL764[22:47:53] <phroa> Looks like my
desktop is using jdk 14 for 1.12 but my laptop I think has jdk 16
installed
L765[22:47:56] <i_develop_things> works on graalvm for
me
<i_develop_things> works on graalvm for
meL766[22:48:10] <i_develop_things> and buttery smooth even
with a bunch of mods
<i_develop_things> and buttery smooth even
with a bunch of modsL767[22:48:36] <CompanionCube> the JDK8
requirement is for forge
L768[22:53:51] <bad at
vijya> i once again
<bad at
vijya> i once againL769[22:53:54] <bad at
vijya> hate pulseaudio
<bad at
vijya> hate pulseaudioL770[22:54:09] <bad at
vijya> it's causing completely unrelated games to crash if they
dare think about multithreading
<bad at
vijya> it's causing completely unrelated games to crash if they
dare think about multithreadingL771[22:54:44] <Kilobyte> if you are lucky
and adventureous you'll maybe hate pipewire less
L772[22:55:23] <Kilobyte> in my experience
it's not better at the current stage, but it has different
problems
L773[22:55:49] <Kilobyte> those problems
might not affect you as much (but they might also affect you
more)
L774[22:56:40] <Elfi> Pipewire does seem
to be the new hotness, but I'm probably gonna wait until a new
build to experiment with it
L775[22:57:06] <bad at
vijya> pipewire is just another broken mess to throw onto the
flaming garbagepile
<bad at
vijya> pipewire is just another broken mess to throw onto the
flaming garbagepileL776[22:57:28] <bad at
vijya> source: i have never used it but everytime someone says
"but this is even better than the thing you're currently
using!!!!" it's even more of a broken mess
<bad at
vijya> source: i have never used it but everytime someone says
"but this is even better than the thing you're currently
using!!!!" it's even more of a broken messL777[22:57:31] <bad at
vijya> maybe i'm just
<bad at
vijya> maybe i'm justL778[22:57:48] <bad at
vijya> a bit too quick to judge--did metro just crash
again
<bad at
vijya> a bit too quick to judge--did metro just crash
againL779[22:58:01] <Kilobyte> well, pipewire
is still new and classic "beta software"
L780[22:58:12] <Kilobyte> the main issue
it solves for me is pulseaudio and my audio interface randomly
disagreeing on sample rate
L781[22:58:30] <Kilobyte> which is really
annoying because the only way to fix it is to restart pulse
L782[22:58:31] <bad at
vijya> i don't have that problem anymore
<bad at
vijya> i don't have that problem anymoreL783[22:58:35] <bad at
vijya> i forgot how i fixed it
<bad at
vijya> i forgot how i fixed itL784[22:58:48] <bad at
vijya> i think it was installing some package involving
ALSA
<bad at
vijya> i think it was installing some package involving
ALSAL785[22:58:56] <Kilobyte> i tried to fix
it, but not with much success
L786[22:59:27] <Kilobyte> the main problem
with pipewire for me is it not agreeing with a certain application
on sample rate
L787[22:59:48] <Kilobyte> but sound output
on said application is not really relevant to me, so i've just
disabled it
L788[23:01:10] <Kilobyte> @"bad at
vijya" this issue only happens on my computer with my
"professional grade" audio interface. My laptop and
onboard soundcard are fine
L789[23:01:19] <bad at
vijya> yeah
<bad at
vijya> yeahL790[23:01:24] <bad at
vijya> happened with my soundblaster card
<bad at
vijya> happened with my soundblaster cardL791[23:01:28] <bad at
vijya> like i said
<bad at
vijya> like i saidL792[23:01:41] <bad at
vijya> ALSA and modifying the default and fallback sample rates
fixed my issue
<bad at
vijya> ALSA and modifying the default and fallback sample rates
fixed my issueL793[23:02:24] <Kilobyte> yeah i tried
that. No luck. Generally it only happens when certain applications
start while another application is playing audio
L794[23:03:53] <bad at
vijya> genuine fucking anger, holy shit
<bad at
vijya> genuine fucking anger, holy shitL795[23:03:56] <bad at
vijya> i just wanna play metro
<bad at
vijya> i just wanna play metroL796[23:04:03] <bad at
vijya> but it breaks in both proton and native
<bad at
vijya> but it breaks in both proton and nativeL797[23:04:23] <Kilobyte> software by
definition is broken
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L799[23:34:02] <bad at
vijya> as it turns out
<bad at
vijya> as it turns outL800[23:34:03] <bad at
vijya> i was wrong
<bad at
vijya> i was wrongL801[23:34:09] <bad at
vijya> it wasn't pulseaudio's fault
<bad at
vijya> it wasn't pulseaudio's faultL802[23:34:14] <bad at
vijya> it was motherfucking
<bad at
vijya> it was motherfuckingL803[23:34:16] <bad at
vijya> nvidia drivers
<bad at
vijya> nvidia driversL804[23:40:19] <Z0idberg>
lol
<Z0idberg>
lolL805[23:40:59] <bad at
vijya> regardless, it's causing metro to crash and burn
<bad at
vijya> regardless, it's causing metro to crash and burnL806[23:41:12] <bad at
vijya> like a proton rocket that had the accelerometer hammered
in upside down
<bad at
vijya> like a proton rocket that had the accelerometer hammered
in upside down