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L1[00:59:55] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yf764435
L2[01:14:58] <Izaya> https://cdn.raru.re/media_attachments/files/106/058/235/660/123/458/original/f5b8df5048b7c84d.jpg
L3[01:29:10] <B​ob> >Iz​aya: https://cdn.raru.re/media_attachment���
L4[01:29:10] <B​ob> Izaya: https://youtu.be/HSmKiws-4NU
L5[01:29:11] <MichiBot> Bret Hart - You're dereferencing a null pointer! | length: 10s | Likes: 1,454 Dislikes: 6 Views: 76,150 | by Jordan Lee | Published On 25/9/2016
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L10[03:01:45] <Amanda> %choose continue hallucinating or be responsible
L11[03:01:46] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: My grandfather always told me that "be responsible" is the way to go!
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L13[03:26:48] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L14[03:26:55] <MichiBot> Yay! Compan​ionCube! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 5 hours, 3 minutes and 47 seconds (By 3 hours, 13 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L15[03:26:56] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk points! plus 0.007 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.768791. Position #2 Need 0.0238414 more points to pass Va​ur!
L16[04:10:35] * Amanda beams a silly hat onto Elfi, curls up and zzzmews
L17[04:10:37] <Amanda> Night nerds
L18[04:12:14] <Elfi> I've been behatted!
L19[04:12:42] * Elfi takes it off, puts on nightcap so her antennae aren't detecting cuties all day, curls up with Amanda
L20[04:14:51] <n​il> %tonk
L21[04:14:54] <MichiBot> Darn it! n​il! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 48 minutes)! I hope you're happy!
L22[04:14:55] <MichiBot> nil's new record is 48 minutes! nil also gained 0.0008 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.13543954 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L23[05:05:07] <Forec​aster> %sip
L24[05:05:08] <MichiBot> You drink a runny gold potion (New!). Some tonk points fly by. Forecaster caught 0.046 tonk points.
L25[05:10:27] <CompanionCube> is that number fixed
L26[05:10:40] <CompanionCube> %drink runny gold potion
L27[05:10:40] <MichiBot> You drink a runny gold potion. Some tonk points fly by. CompanionCube caught 0.027 tonk points.
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L29[05:22:52] <Izaya> hey hey hey
L30[05:22:54] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/3d1349b212606f9bcb52e07344c3f95771a786af3c093adfecb7a8900325525e.png
L31[05:44:12] <CompanionCube> nice
L32[05:52:18] <n​il> %drink runny gold potion
L33[05:52:19] <MichiBot> You drink a runny gold potion. nil: The magic of this potion seems to be depleted...
L34[05:52:30] <n​il> what the fuck?
L35[05:52:35] <n​il> it worked for you two
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L37[06:01:23] <The Mi​serable> %tonk
L38[06:01:23] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket! The Mi​serable! You beat n​il's previous record of 48 minutes (By 58 minutes and 31 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L39[06:01:24] <MichiBot> The Miserable's new record is 1 hour, 46 minutes and 31 seconds! The Miserable also gained 0.00098 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #16 => #15. (Overtook Ariri) Need 0.00036 more points to pass simo​n816!
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L41[06:11:23] <Forec​aster> @nil it works the way it's meant to
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L44[06:40:02] <Forec​aster> certain effects have a limited number of uses
L45[06:40:07] <Forec​aster> that one happens to have 2
L46[07:42:16] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yfuxpj9a
L47[07:52:34] <Izaya> that's a missile
L48[07:52:36] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/blog/31.html
L49[08:05:14] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L50[08:05:16] <MichiBot> Fudge! Forec​aster! You beat The Mi​serable's previous record of 1 hour, 46 minutes and 31 seconds (By 17 minutes and 19 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L51[08:05:17] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 3 minutes and 51 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00058 (0.00029 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.23298155 more points to pass Va​ur!
L52[08:07:45] <Forec​aster> ah, the gold potion allowed CC to overtake Vaur
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L55[08:17:36] <Ar​iri> The missile knows where it is at all times because Jebediah knows where he isn't.
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L58[10:51:24] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L59[10:51:25] <MichiBot> Hooray! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 3 minutes and 51 seconds (By 42 minutes and 18 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L60[10:51:26] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.56365085, Position #3 Need 0.22898155 more points to pass Va​ur!
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L62[11:14:21] <n​il> %tonk
L63[11:14:22] <MichiBot> Wut! n​il! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 22 minutes and 57 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L64[11:14:23] <MichiBot> nil's new record is 22 minutes and 57 seconds! nil also gained 0.00038 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.18563954 more points to pass Forec​aster!
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L66[11:51:21] <Va​ur> %sip
L67[11:51:23] <MichiBot> You drink a viscous spice potion (New!). Vaur's eyes turn the color of caterium until they have some bacon.
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L70[12:46:16] <Va​ur> %tonk
L71[12:46:17] <MichiBot> Woooo! Va​ur! You beat n​il's previous record of 22 minutes and 57 seconds (By 1 hour, 8 minutes and 57 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L72[12:46:18] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 31 minutes and 54 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00115 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.0020086 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L80[14:05:07] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L81[14:05:09] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forecaster, you were not able to beat Vaur's record of 1 hour, 31 minutes and 54 seconds this time. 1 hour, 18 minutes and 51 seconds were wasted! Missed by 13 minutes and 3 seconds!
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L87[16:55:18] <Senl​iast> Wow that really helped, thank you a lot, Bob! With experimental mod version OpenComputers-MC1.12.2-1.7.5.213.jar the issue with persistent state is not present! Why do you not publish this version?
L88[16:57:45] <Amanda> Pretty sure the latest curse release contains the fix for the long-existing race condition
L89[17:03:28] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L90[17:03:29] <MichiBot> Wut! Compan​ionCube! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 1 hour, 31 minutes and 54 seconds (By 1 hour, 26 minutes and 26 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L91[17:03:30] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 2 hours, 58 minutes and 21 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00288 (0.00144 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L92[17:07:43] <Forec​aster> %sip
L93[17:07:45] <MichiBot> You drink a gloomy silver potion (New!). Forecaster's favourite hat suddenly disintegrates.
L94[17:07:50] <Forec​aster> D:
L95[17:08:13] <Forec​aster> dammit, I just added those effects yesterday...
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L101[18:49:42] <Light​ Dimf> Why 1.12.2 OC is forgotten?
L102[18:50:09] <Light​ Dimf> Why 1.12.2 OC is forgotten?... [Edited]
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L104[18:51:22] <bad at​ vijya> what
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L106[18:53:42] <B​ob> how is it forgotten
L107[18:53:47] <B​ob> its very active
L108[18:53:52] <B​ob> there aren't much bug reports to get fixed
L109[18:54:03] <B​ob> when i reported all my issues, i just had to wait a day for a new dev build to solve all my problems
L110[18:54:14] <B​ob> the 213 build is pretty much the latest and sharpest build of OC
L111[19:57:40] <Kristo​pher38> Payonel go brrrr
L112[20:22:09] <bad at​ vijya> had to land my fat fucking fighter jet
L113[20:22:11] <bad at​ vijya> in the dark
L114[20:22:11] * Amanda collapses into a pile of floof around Elfi, contemplates what to do since her head hurts
L115[20:22:24] <bad at​ vijya> with low fuel
L116[20:22:26] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L117[20:22:28] <MichiBot> Boo-yah! Compan​ionCube! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 58 minutes and 21 seconds (By 20 minutes and 37 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L118[20:22:29] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.805671, Position #1
L119[20:22:29] <bad at​ vijya> which made it back heavy
L120[20:22:53] <bad at​ vijya> even after transferring fuel to the frontmost tank
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L122[20:41:40] <Amanda> %choose continue staring at emacs or halucinate
L123[20:41:40] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Once you get a taste of "continue staring at emacs" you can't stop.
L124[20:46:12] <Amanda> hrm. Nah, I'mma halucinate, maybe losethis headache and sense of melanchaly
L125[20:48:19] <El​der> Ehat
L126[20:48:25] <El​der> Why are bots texting
L127[20:48:44] <Forec​aster> it's an IRC relay
L128[20:48:58] <El​der> What is IRC
L129[20:49:07] <Forec​aster> %google IRC
L130[20:49:18] <Forec​aster> %search google IRC
L131[20:49:19] <MichiBot> I had an exception... ow. Here's the stacktrace: https://paste.pc-logix.com/ehaniwijol
L132[20:49:28] <Forec​aster> oh, well, you get the idea
L133[20:49:38] <El​der> Eeeeee i think so
L134[20:49:52] <Forec​aster> google it yourself
L135[20:49:59] <Forec​aster> it's easy
L136[20:50:09] <El​der> Alr
L137[20:50:14] <El​der> One question
L138[20:50:37] <El​der> I am starting a project
L139[20:50:45] <Amanda> %irc
L140[20:50:47] <MichiBot> all the "bots" are real people, using the superior IRC chat protocol. https://youtu.be/O2rGTXHvPCQ
L141[20:52:01] <El​der> I want to make some sort of a browser
L142[20:52:44] <El​der> Every connected server/computer sending codes at a specified port will be considered as a website
L143[20:52:51] <El​der> Then it will have 2 files
L144[20:52:57] <El​der> 1-look
L145[20:53:13] <El​der> 2-code
L146[20:53:41] <El​der> First will basically define the look of the website in a special code the browser program will read
L147[20:54:01] <El​der> And the second will define what happens after clicking something
L148[20:54:09] <El​der> Is it possible?
L149[20:54:16] <Forec​aster> yes
L150[20:54:29] <Forec​aster> but it will be a lot of work
L151[20:55:17] <El​der> Amd will it require a lot of knowledge or i just need to know the networking, filesystems and lua
L152[20:55:38] <El​der> I mean i dont need to dig in the os files right?
L153[20:55:54] <Forec​aster> no, just make a program
L154[20:57:40] <El​der> Oh great
L155[20:57:56] <El​der> But damn i make it on survival
L156[20:58:11] <El​der> Getting the rezources will be pain
L157[21:00:12] <El​der> If i would only play the sky factort
L158[21:01:58] <Forec​aster> develop in creative, then use it in surival
L159[21:02:06] <El​der> Oh okat
L160[21:02:26] <El​der> Do you know any oc server? But with a lightweight modpack
L161[21:02:53] <Forec​aster> nope
L162[21:04:31] <El​der> Okay
L163[21:04:42] <El​der> So i guess i go to programming
L164[21:05:21] <Forec​aster> yep, into the code mines
L165[21:23:46] <Lizzy> > https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/3425
L166[21:23:48] <MichiBot> Title: Projectred bundled cables not connecting | Posted by: BananarmyG567 | Posted: Wed Apr 14 20:44:33 UTC 2021 | Status: open
L167[21:23:48] <Lizzy> msh
L168[21:23:52] <Lizzy> *smh
L169[21:28:05] <Kristo​pher38> what the fuck
L170[21:28:25] <Kristo​pher38> actually he won't get any help at dan200/ComputerCraft
L171[21:29:00] <Kristo​pher38> he should rather go to cc:tweaked repo
L172[21:29:04] <Lizzy> quite frankly that's not my problem
L173[21:29:08] <Lizzy> oh?
L174[21:30:17] <Lizzy> oh well, either way it's not an OC issue
L175[21:31:24] <Va​ur> %tonk
L176[21:31:24] <MichiBot> Crud! Va​ur! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 8 minutes and 56 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L177[21:31:25] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 8 minutes and 56 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00115 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.0107386 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
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L179[21:46:39] <SleepingFoxes> hi
L180[21:48:02] <Forec​aster> %hello
L181[21:48:03] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L189[22:05:53] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yhksn6mo
L190[22:11:40] <CompanionCube> Ariri: https://i.redd.it/6px7a2w9u5t61.png $2b now
L191[22:23:31] <Sagh​etti> i'm so confused rn
L192[22:23:59] <Amanda> It's not that complicated! The frumbly-gargle goes in the equation like this, and BAM! French toast!
L193[22:24:02] <Sagh​etti> why is there a version of bsd 3-clause that explicitly prevents you from using the software for designing/operating nuclear facilities
L194[22:24:31] <Amanda> isn't it nuclear weapons, not power facilities?
L195[22:24:43] <Amanda> And the answer is simple: The cold war.
L196[22:24:51] <Sagh​etti> > You acknowledge that this software is not designed, licensed or intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility.
L197[22:25:46] <Kristo​pher38> Which software has that
L198[22:26:03] <Kristo​pher38> I mean version with this paragraph
L199[22:26:14] <Sagh​etti> some of sun's software has it
L200[22:26:18] <Sagh​etti> https://spdx.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause-No-Nuclear-License.html
L201[22:26:34] <Amanda> Remember kids, it's against the iTunes EULA to use it to operate it in nuclear weaponry
L202[22:28:14] <Sagh​etti> found more licenses from sun here https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19321-01/819-5536-12/C_license.html
L203[22:28:27] <Sagh​etti> the no nuclear clause appears to be for government licensed software
L204[22:28:28] <Sagh​etti> makes sense
L205[22:29:05] <Sagh​etti> it's in the license for their crypto accelerator thing idk
L206[22:29:27] <Amanda> I'm 90% sure it was in reference to nuclear weapons facilities, not nuclear power, but I don't know that for sure.
L207[22:29:51] <Sagh​etti> still interesting though
L208[22:30:09] <Amanda> Programmers who were kids during the cold war, understandably had bad feelings about nuclear weaponry
L209[22:31:17] <Amanda> I wonder if in the 2030/40s we'll see licences precluding use in automatic firearms production
L210[22:31:32] <Izaya> how about weapons production in general
L211[22:31:57] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/0d6847c9dc8c4d6cf772b4a77ebeefb3ec8d0498dc8879757d8b00731ae19fdc.jpg
L212[22:31:59] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/641ba6bc549dfe7faf42659d5df8d80e43698adf4ae2010baef9bf7b91eaec2a.jpg
L213[22:32:13] <Amanda> Kids in the cold war grew up hiding under their desks to "save" them from nukes. Today it's active shooter drills.
L214[22:32:22] <Amanda> ( In MERIKA anyway )
L215[22:32:41] <dequbed> Was about to say. Only Murica has "active shooter drills" :P
L216[22:33:46] <Kristo​pher38> @Saghetti found mildly interesting thread on Debian mailing list https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/10/msg00191.html
L217[22:35:20] <Kristo​pher38> Also: what are you up to lately, don't remember when was it that we had a chat
L218[22:35:54] <Sagh​etti> i resigned from skeld.net back in january, passed ownership to arkatme (the guy i co-founded it with)
L219[22:36:08] <Sagh​etti> and i've been working on a direct competitor to skeld.net with some other friends
L220[22:36:34] <CompanionCube> random license of the day: ' The Anti-Capitalist Software License (ACSL) is a software license towards a world beyond capitalism. This license exists to release software that empowers individuals, collectives, worker-owned cooperatives, and nonprofits, while denying usage to those that exploit labor for profit. '
L221[22:36:35] <Sagh​etti> it's 100x better, as the guy who made it, roobscoob, is basically the among us protocol master
L222[22:36:55] <Sagh​etti> CompanionCube: ~~gpl~~
L223[22:37:11] <Kristo​pher38> oh it was that among us private server thingy, right?
L224[22:37:19] <Sagh​etti> yeah, that was skeld.net
L225[22:37:29] <Sagh​etti> i last talked about it back in november wow
L226[22:37:37] <CompanionCube> Saghetti: hah
L227[22:37:56] <Sagh​etti> the skeld.net discord hit 160,000 members
L228[22:38:14] <Sagh​etti> and tens of millions of views on yt
L229[22:38:17] <Sagh​etti> from massive content creators
L230[22:38:35] <Sagh​etti> so skeld.net is the most successful project i've ever created
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L232[22:39:02] <Sagh​etti> which is kind of insane looking back at it
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L234[22:39:39] <Kristo​pher38> mfw no successful projects
L235[22:39:49] <Kristo​pher38> was it profitable for you?
L236[22:40:04] <Sagh​etti> i got a grand total of $2k from my work at skeld.net
L237[22:40:13] <Sagh​etti> arkatme (the other guy) made at least $35k
L238[22:40:35] <Sagh​etti> quite a bit of that was from him selling custom mods to youtubers for thousands of dollars each
L239[22:40:39] <Kristo​pher38> not bad, good for you
L240[22:40:54] <Sagh​etti> yeah
L241[22:41:00] <Sagh​etti> arkatme basically made bank off of my project
L242[22:41:05] <dequbed> Izaya: You probably already saw this but https://youtu.be/eBzI0qZArbw
L243[22:41:06] <MichiBot> DIY KSP Cockpit Controller | length: 2m 40s | Likes: 1,021 Dislikes: 7 Views: 14,555 | by Ben Vieux | Published On 17/8/2018
L244[22:41:32] <Sagh​etti> oh well, i have a 10% stake in polus.gg so i'll be happy when it blows up
L245[22:42:03] <Kristo​pher38> yeah it sounded like he took comparably high proportion of the money
L246[22:43:00] <Izaya> dequbed: if I had space I'd totally hook up something like this, got a HOTAS and all
L247[22:43:12] <Sagh​etti> speaking of polus.gg (that competitor i was talking abt) we've already gotten 5k members in the discord despite not even having launched yet
L248[22:43:36] <Izaya> the music in this goes real well with this though, even if the timing is a tad off
L249[22:43:43] <Amanda> Izaya: also, I'm not even convinced that a "No automatic weapons manufacturing" would survive contact with the MERKAN legal system, let alone "no weapons at all"
L250[22:44:10] <Amanda> s/would/clause would/
L251[22:44:10] <MichiBot> <Amanda> Izaya: also, I'm not even convinced that a "No automatic weapons manufacturing" clause would survive contact with the MERKAN legal system, let alone "no weapons at all"
L252[22:44:20] <Izaya> should've delayed the start 5 seconds or so so the liftoff and "liftoff!" was at the same time
L253[22:44:51] <Kristo​pher38> i noticed
L254[22:46:24] <Sagh​etti> speaking of big discords i'm also now the owner of discord.gg/obama
L255[22:46:41] <Sagh​etti> joke discord with just a single picture of obama
L256[22:46:43] <Kristo​pher38> what does your development concern? i assume you gotta write a custom server, and then some things that inject into among us to facilitate your custom game modes and protocols
L257[22:46:46] <Amanda> %choose laptop nap time or continue staring at the scren
L258[22:46:47] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: The proof is in the pudding. Definitely "continue staring at the scren". Now please get it out of my pudding.
L259[22:46:50] <Sagh​etti> we used to have 130k members but the old one got hacked
L260[22:47:05] <Sagh​etti> >Kristo​pher38: what does your development concern? i ass…
L261[22:47:05] <Sagh​etti> i'm assigned to sysadmin and load balancer stuff
L262[22:47:09] <dequbed> Amanda: Why not though? AFAIK US law you could write that in a contract
L263[22:47:11] * Amanda takes the concept of staring at a screen out of MichiBot's pudding, noms the pudding
L264[22:47:13] <Kristo​pher38> ah yes, your favourite
L265[22:47:25] <Sagh​etti> we already have a custom server written in typescript called nodepolus
L266[22:47:33] <Sagh​etti> it's lightyears ahead of impostor in literally every single respect
L267[22:47:45] <Amanda> dequbed: IANAL, but given the hard-on for the second ammendment...I'm not convinced.
L268[22:47:58] <Kristo​pher38> i infer impostor was server ran on skeld?
L269[22:48:06] <Sagh​etti> yeah
L270[22:48:09] <Amanda> At the very least whatever software did it first would be crucified by FAUX
L271[22:48:17] <dequbed> That just prevents the gov from restricting weapons in citizens hands, not contracts between legal citicen
L272[22:48:18] <Sagh​etti> and impostor is well known in the au modding community for being trash
L273[22:48:41] <Sagh​etti> but it was the first and only, so i had to use it for skeld.net
L274[22:49:35] <dequbed> @Saghetti so who's the professional make code go fast person? :P
L275[22:49:43] <Amanda> This lighter!
L276[22:50:22] <Sagh​etti> dequbed: wdym
L277[22:50:37] <Sagh​etti> do we have someone on the team dedicated to performance and optimization? nope
L278[22:50:43] * Amanda curls up around Elfi, beams a silly nightcap with the message "My other nightcap is a spaceship" printed on it onto her head, decides to halucinate
L279[22:50:52] <Kristo​pher38> >typescript
L280[22:51:03] <Sagh​etti> unforuntately
L281[22:51:11] <Sagh​etti> unfortunately*
L282[22:51:28] <Amanda> Rewrite it in brainfuck over inetd
L283[22:51:30] <Sagh​etti> we're planning on doing a java rewrite(???) but we just don't have the time
L284[22:51:42] <dequbed> @Saghetti It's surprising how quickly somebody sinking time in optimizations starts saving money :P
L285[22:51:57] <dequbed> Amanda: Go to bed you're having terrible ideas again :P
L286[22:52:02] <Sagh​etti> also you're pinging the wrong saghetti 😔
L287[22:52:09] <Sagh​etti> that's my old account that got banned off of discord
L288[22:52:13] <Kristo​pher38> >Sagh​etti: we're planning on doing a java rewrite(???) b…
L289[22:52:13] <Kristo​pher38> out of the frying pan and into the fire
L290[22:52:24] <dequbed> Well stop using fucking high unicode then Spaghetti!@
L291[22:53:46] <Sagh​etti> we have this one guy on the team named codyphobe, he's an insanely good dev but he's kind of a massive jerk
L292[22:53:56] <Sagh​etti> he says he's gonna do the java rewrite in his free time
L293[22:54:06] <Sagh​etti> but rn there's almost no free time left
L294[22:54:24] <Sagh​etti> the launch day has been delayed a lot because of all the stuff we need to still get done
L295[22:54:25] <dequbed> It'd say chuck the jerk and get somebody better but I'm aware that's not really possible
L296[22:55:05] <Sagh​etti> quote from the head of the project: "cody would be fired already if he wasn't such a good dev"
L297[22:55:34] <Sagh​etti> paraphrasing, he said it in vc
L298[22:55:47] <dequbed> Cody may very well be(come) the reason why you don't have a better dev.
L299[22:56:09] <dequbed> Assholes drive talent away that generally speaking don't have to deal with that because they are hightly sought after ;)
L300[22:56:50] <Sagh​etti> i'm well aware
L301[22:57:05] <Sagh​etti> at my dad's company he has a similar situation
L302[22:57:18] <Sagh​etti> he has this one guy who's worked there for 20 years and knows the system inside out
L303[22:57:25] <Sagh​etti> yet he's also a massive asshole
L304[22:57:55] <Sagh​etti> other staff have resigned cause of him but since he's worked for so long, he can't just be fired
L305[22:58:05] <Kristo​pher38> classic
L306[22:58:14] <Sagh​etti> yeah
L307[22:58:36] <Kristo​pher38> make the system so complicated that nobody fully knows it and you've just secured your job
L308[22:59:12] <Izaya> something something BOFH
L309[22:59:25] <Sagh​etti> cody's too good at this to make bad, complex code
L310[22:59:39] <Sagh​etti> honestly a problem for him but at the same time if he didn't do it, he'd be off the team
L311[22:59:56] <Sagh​etti> honestly a problem for him if we ever need someone else to fill his shoes, but at the same time if he didn't do it, he'd be off the team [Edited]
L312[22:59:57] <dequbed> Good, efficient code can be just as hard to read as bad, inefficient code.
L313[23:00:13] <Kristo​pher38> btw if you're gonna have any open positions in July I'd be free to join you
L314[23:00:36] <Sagh​etti> alr, we already have 10 devs (o_O) so i'm not sure if we need another
L315[23:00:46] <Sagh​etti> a few devs are just here temporarily to help us out with launch
L316[23:00:52] <dequbed> You have 10 devs yet you need cody? :P
L317[23:01:09] <Kristo​pher38> cause i'm probably mostly gonna do nothing when the summer break starts
L318[23:01:59] <Sagh​etti> >deq​ubed: You have 10 devs yet you need cody? :P
L319[23:01:59] <Sagh​etti> not my decision to keep him on the team
L320[23:02:23] <Sagh​etti> that 10 devs number includes all sorts of different people covering all aspects of polus.gg
L321[23:02:38] <Sagh​etti> android devs, client modders, website devs, plugin devs, etc.
L322[23:02:48] <Kristo​pher38> is cody like, an experienced dev or a gifted child?
L323[23:03:38] <Izaya> you nerds are all doing this interesting stuff and I'm over here changing spark plugs and taping ConverseJS to mod_auth_anonymous
L324[23:04:01] <dequbed> Izaya: Wanna help me make code real fast? It pays well
L325[23:04:14] <Izaya> probably too dumb sorry x_x
L326[23:05:02] <Sagh​etti> >Kristo​pher38: is cody like, an experienced dev or a gif…
L327[23:05:02] <Sagh​etti> experienced dev
L328[23:05:05] <Kristo​pher38> dequbed: what code
L329[23:05:10] <dequbed> Izaya: Wanna learn how to make code real fast? It still pays well because the pay isn't actually related to working it's about being at the right spot at the right time :P
L330[23:05:10] <Sagh​etti> he's 28, oldest out of the group
L331[23:05:32] <Izaya> hmm, tempting, tempting
L332[23:05:33] <Sagh​etti> cause the rest of us are a bunch of high school students
L333[23:05:46] <Izaya> but not today, because I have to re-paint gutters today
L334[23:05:50] <Kristo​pher38> that probably explains why he wasn't fired already
L335[23:06:19] <Kristo​pher38> i wonder what I was doing in hs instead of doing cool projects for money
L336[23:06:34] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 Uhm just some CENSORED doing a bit of NOT AVAILABLE AT YOUR CLEARANCE LEVEL that is rather fun but cost your THE COMPUTER IS YOUR FRIEND.
L337[23:06:54] <Kristo​pher38> probably having some variant of depression or whatever
L338[23:07:07] <Izaya> hate it when that happens
L339[23:07:17] <dequbed> Wait @Saghetti I thought you were mid 20's? o.O
L340[23:07:27] <Sagh​etti> nah i'm 16 :)
L341[23:07:32] <dequbed> oh lol
L342[23:07:39] <Kristo​pher38> another mystery revealed
L343[23:07:46] <Kristo​pher38> dequbed: but i've got the level 5 clearance card
L344[23:07:54] <Sagh​etti> anyways i'll be back in like 20 mins, gonna make some food
L345[23:08:23] <Kristo​pher38> anyway i guess fortune favors those who try
L346[23:08:52] <Kristo​pher38> time to unfuck my linux VM ;-;
L347[23:09:10] <CompanionCube> >level 5
L348[23:09:21] <CompanionCube> ultraviolet clearance best clearance
L349[23:09:22] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 Still. :P Nah it's just some cryptocurrency stuff. Mostly shitcode but hey when do you get to work on a project named "methed-up-sanic-hegehog-miner"? :P
L350[23:10:20] <Kristo​pher38> what you gotta need optimized?
L351[23:10:20] <Izaya> speaking of, there are gutters that need my attention x_x
L352[23:10:32] <Izaya> see you nerds later
L353[23:10:48] <Kristo​pher38> answer if you're allowed to tell me on my clearance level that is
L354[23:12:15] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 We need to push about uh 40 or so Gbit/s of data out a reasonably sized Intel NIC and do a few Million rounds of ChaCha20 and Blake2b on around a dozen EPYCs random walking about 8TB of RAM per block. You know, the easy stuff :)
L355[23:13:14] <Kristo​pher38> god damn
L356[23:13:41] <Amanda> dequbed: hey! It's only 1900 I'll have you know!
L357[23:14:03] <dequbed> The kind of code where you *really* hope Intel is right about their intrinsics and then are equally annoyed because they of course aren't and now you gotta debug why running the fucking code with AVX-512 instructions is slower than using AVX2 while under all known laws of computing IT VERY MUCH SHOULD NOT BE
L358[23:14:06] <Amanda> Now, I'm curious what inetd is on modern linux. Guessing some Type= paramater in systemd's .socket units
L359[23:14:44] <Amanda> Speaking of, I still need to get a ssl tunnel set up to mask ssh traffic
L360[23:15:08] <CompanionCube> dequbed: iirc isn't there a significant transition penalty with AVX-512 more so than AVX2?
L361[23:15:12] <Amanda> I already have sshl set up on miranda, just want to be able to bypass DPI so I can do stuff behind shiternet
L362[23:16:32] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 that being said, how intimate are you with the Intel IA-32 software developer manual and modern Xeons? We'll need some code optimized for their kind of shitty memory controller.
L363[23:17:36] <dequbed> CompanionCube: Yeah, both are/were/will have been slow and on some "outliers" (*cough*) reduce the internal CPU clock giving you a slower execution speed of *everything else* while not telling you.
L364[23:19:09] <Kristo​pher38> don't get me too seriously, I just know a bit of x86-64 assembly, but I like to optimize stuff (and equally like to hear stories about optimizing stuff)
L365[23:19:23] <Kristo​pher38> hence I asked
L366[23:20:46] <dequbed> I mean wanna go write a JIT compiler for some turing-complete pseudo hash DSL because fuck me the shitty coin actually uses that to prevent rainbowtables but fail because of course it does?
L367[23:21:00] <dequbed> It's either fast JIT or an ASIC and I really don't wanna go the ASIC route.
L368[23:23:42] <dequbed> CompanionCube: Also one issue I've seen before is that Intel CPU do multiple-use for systems and AVX uses buffers from some other extensions and that breaks horribly when you use both.
L369[23:26:02] <Kristo​pher38> It sounds like a job that'd be fun (for me, anyway) if I ever get to a stage in life when I have enough expertise to do it
L370[23:26:22] <Amanda> Called it!
L371[23:26:27] <Amanda> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.socket.html "Accept=yes"
L372[23:26:53] <Amanda> also: ListenUSBFunction=
L373[23:26:55] <Amanda> Specifies a USB FunctionFS endpoints location to listen on, for implementation of USB gadget functions. This expects an absolute file system path of a FunctionFS mount point as the argument. Behavior otherwise is very similar to the ListenFIFO= directive above. Use this to open the FunctionFS endpoint ep0. When using this option, the activated service has to have the
L374[23:26:57] <Amanda> USBFunctionDescriptors= and USBFunctionStrings= options set.
L375[23:27:07] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 experience comes working on it, nobody was born a master. :P
L376[23:29:04] <Kristo​pher38> I'll be sure to look at writing JIT compilers and designing ASICs then
L377[23:29:12] <dequbed> That being said I can not recommend actually diving deep into near-metal computing at all. It is very likely to make you go insane and want to burn everything down to emigrate into the mountains where you live with the amish far away from the silicon monsters that ruined your mind. :)
L378[23:29:53] <Kristo​pher38> and here I was about to say that I'm taking all possible low-level courses at uni
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L380[23:30:43] <YuhGang> yuh
L381[23:30:52] <YuhGang> hello!
L382[23:31:12] <Amanda> %hello
L383[23:31:13] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L384[23:31:31] <dequbed> Turn around. This way only lies madness and cruft. Insanity and REM!
L385[23:31:42] <t20kdc> REM?
L386[23:31:43] <Kristo​pher38> seriously though, I can only imagine how it is, but I think I've had a glimpse of the feeling you're talking about
L387[23:31:52] <YuhGang> ?
L388[23:32:12] <Amanda> Random Explosion Memory
L389[23:32:18] <Amanda> Randomly Explosive?
L390[23:32:18] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@port-92-192-163-98.dynamic.as20676.net) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L391[23:32:45] ⇦ Quits: YuhGang (~YuhGang@65.186.33.87) (Client Quit)
L392[23:32:59] <Va​ur> Dont mind also the random %tonkout
L393[23:33:00] <MichiBot> Bingo! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 8 minutes and 56 seconds (By 52 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L394[23:33:01] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.7989324, Position #2 Need 0.0067386 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L395[23:33:22] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 The only thing worse than having to work with hardware is having to work with other peoples code. Terrible. Terrible Code. Insanity scribbled in 8-bit ASCII! madness of the ISO 9899 kind that could have only spawned from an admirer of Cthulu.
L396[23:34:04] <dequbed> t20kdc: Raster electron microscopy? I have no idea what the fuck the proper english term is. Make CPU big and figure out bugs by looking at silicon.
L397[23:34:28] <t20kdc> ...dear goodness what are you doing
L398[23:34:39] <t20kdc> Actually, no, I don't think I want to know
L399[23:34:41] <dequbed> :)
L400[23:35:29] <Kristo​pher38> Scanning electron microscopy?
L401[23:35:38] <dequbed> Yes! That one!
L402[23:36:01] <t20kdc> Bad block description changing ideas, 150421. Quotes on everything. TNT? "Walk the path of explosions with me!" TODO: Figure out other quotes.
L403[23:39:07] <dequbed> t20kdc: Anyway dequbed makes code go fast. Sometimes code is a little misbehaving and not going fast and needs encouragement. Sometimes dequbed needs to tell code it runs fast or else it gets the profiling tools again. But in the end code love dequbed and want to run fast for dequbed :)
L404[23:39:33] * t20kdc sloooowly steps backwards
L405[23:40:54] <dequbed> t20kdc: <3
L406[23:40:58] <Kristo​pher38> lmao
L407[23:41:21] <Amanda> It puts the cycles in the basket, or it gets the profiller again
L408[23:42:13] <dequbed> Anyway friend of mine has already told me he'll gift me a dominatrix dress if I don't stop abusing code into behaving. I guess I'll yell at CPUs in leather soon (◕ᴗ◕✿)
L409[23:43:23] * Amanda offers dequbed a nice jacket with LOOOONG sleves
L410[23:43:35] <Amanda> It's great for hugging!
L411[23:43:54] <t20kdc> out of curiousity, how long is LOOOONG
L412[23:44:11] <Amanda> long enough to hug all the way to your back on both sides criss-cross!
L413[23:44:58] <dequbed> Amanda: Unless I can fit a bad computer in that it's of no use to me.
L414[23:45:05] <dequbed> oh oooooooh :O
L415[23:45:25] <dequbed> Can I put idiot developer that wrote this shit of code i have to make go fast now in that jacket?
L416[23:46:09] <t20kdc> ...so it's a straitjacket
L417[23:46:11] <dequbed> Okay they aren't actually an idiot. They're just very much not experienced with HPC
L418[23:46:14] <Kristo​pher38> unfucking linux failed, time to reinstall
L419[23:46:38] <Amanda> t20kdc: tht was the implication, yes
L420[23:46:39] <dequbed> t20kdc: Also known as the "I like myself a lot" jacket
L421[23:46:51] <Kristo​pher38> don't you just love when apt accidentally uninstalls your xserver
L422[23:47:24] <Amanda> Can't relate, I've used a distro with declaritive package instillation for like a year now
L423[23:48:03] <Amanda> though, I'm following a fun bug I'm hitting. It seems the hydra CI developers think that nix changed it's protocols in a way that's causing it to allocate stupid-big strings on master nix. :D
L424[23:48:48] <Amanda> ( https://github.com/NixOS/hydra/issues/898 )
L425[23:48:48] <MichiBot> Title: uncaught exception building ���...��� on ���...��� | Posted by: lopsided98 | Posted: Thu Mar 25 03:25:40 UTC 2021 | Status: open
L426[23:49:47] <Amanda> %choose irradiate or stare further into the abyss....It's kawaii
L427[23:49:48] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Haven't you always gone with "stare further into the abyss....It's kawaii"? Hm, maybe not.
L428[23:49:59] * Amanda puts anime eyes on the abyss
L429[23:51:02] <t20kdc> %choose halucinate or irradiate
L430[23:51:03] <MichiBot> t20​kdc: Pretty sure I'd want you to go with "halucinate"!
L431[23:51:16] <t20kdc> ...I have no idea what either of these actually mean in choice context,
L432[23:51:23] <t20kdc> so night
L433[23:51:35] ⇦ Quits: t20kdc (~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
L434[23:51:54] <Amanda> @20kdc irradiate = EM Radiation provided by a TV/monitor, halucinate = entertainment from words on an e-ink screen, taking you to far away lands
L435[23:52:07] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 OH ALSO one big thing! If you go down this path you will lose all admiration and hope in the engineering profession. Instead of seeing engineers as these geniuses building the modern world you'll look at half of them and just go "how the fuck did you pass high school? ಠ_ಠ"
L436[23:53:29] * Amanda decides to stave off a minor extensensial crisis she's having about the fact @Saghetti is old enough to 1) be her child, 2) Youngerthan her time on the internet,
L437[23:54:05] <Kristo​pher38> i'll stick with the better half
L438[23:54:47] <Corded> * <idevelo​p_things> properly pings @Saghetti for amanda
L439[23:55:52] <Sagh​etti> hi
L440[23:55:52] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 And finally, disregard anything I said. 99% of issues in engineering are tradeoffs. There's no perfection, there's no ulterior goal, there's no salvation. I'm just here to vent about how absolutely fucked we are :P
L441[23:56:20] <dequbed> And also playing HYPA HYPA at full volume :P
L442[23:56:38] <Kristo​pher38> it's about solving real-world problems after all
L443[23:56:49] <dequbed> Solving what now
L444[23:57:03] <Kristo​pher38> even if those are problems humans themselves created
L445[23:57:49] <dequbed> Engineering is about badly staving off the collapse of society using increasingly more horrifiying hacks and botches built upon bigger and bigger mountains of botches and hacks of the people that came before you. WE AIN'T SOLVING SHIT!
L446[23:58:24] <Te​ris> 🙃
L447[23:58:29] <Amanda> dequbed: don't worry, it's just a temporary patch until we can fix it up
L448[23:58:35] <i_develo​p_things> >Sagh​etti: hi
L449[23:58:36] <i_develo​p_things> hi, saghetti
L450[23:58:45] <dequbed> Amanda: I for one welcome or feline overlords.
L451[23:58:54] <dequbed> s/or/our/
L452[23:58:54] <MichiBot> <dequbed> Amanda: I four one welcome or feline overlords.
L453[23:59:01] <dequbed> ...
L454[23:59:02] <dequbed> fuck.
L455[23:59:21] <Sagh​etti> youdevelopthings?
L456[23:59:34] <i_develo​p_things> yes i do :P
L457[23:59:37] <dequbed> And to think I wrote software where bugs kill people <.<
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